Lumia Cyan update said to improve low-light performace on Lumia Icon, 1520 and 930

In an ongoing Q&A from Nokia's camera gurus, Juha Alakarhu and Eero Salmelin, who are now with Microsoft, information regarding what users should expect from the Lumia Cyan update has been revealed. The question answered dealt with photography, and specifically Nokia's latest high end Windows Phones, including the Verizon Lumia Icon, Lumia 930 and Lumia 1520.

Juha Alakarhu took to the query and revealed precisely what would be improved with the forthcoming firmware refresh, bundled with the Windows Phone 8.1 update.

Lumia Cyan camera advances

  • Much better low light performance
  • Better colors
  • Continuous auto-focus
  • Better video quality
  • And even the RAW (DNG) images will look better because we are using the sensor in more clever way

Low light performance has been a source of criticism for some Lumia 1520 users, especially when it comes to video. At least according to Alakarhu, reducing noise and refining clarity will be one of the principal features of the Lumia Cyan update.

Likewise, better colors and enhanced video quality will be welcomed too as Alakarhu and his team refine the camera on their latest PureView devices. Continuous auto-focus, as opposed to the single tap version currently used, should greatly boost speed and make snapping photos easier for moving objects.

Speaking of speed, Salmelin answered a question about the speed of the Nokia Camera app and Lumia Cyan, noting "We improved the shot to shot time somewhat in the new camera application which will be part of Cyan update." It's not clear how much of a difference it will make, but it sounds like it will at least be better.

In regards to PureView technology and the recent Microsoft acquisition of the Nokia devices team, Salmelin remarked, "The whole team that developed the PureView technology is now part of Microsoft and continuing to work hard to develop the technology further."

Finally, Alakarhu hinted that direct RAW editing on the device itself may be forthcoming, observing "Its an interesting idea. Thanks :)" It's not clear if such editing would be in a new separate app, or part of the upcoming Creative Studio 6.0 overhaul that was detailed by Nokia a few weeks ago.

The Lumia Cyan update is Nokia's latest firmware for their Lumia line of smartphones. It optimizes hardware for Windows Phone 8.1 and will be co-bundled with individual updates starting in a few weeks. It follows the Lumia Black and Amber updates from previous OS releases.

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Lumia Cyan update said to improve low-light performace on Lumia Icon, 1520 and 930



Hey I was thinking about buying a 1520 because the 930 isn't coming to the USA. do you find that phone is a little to big

It was "too big" for about a week until I got used to it, and now, it feels perfect and all other phones seem too small! Love my 1520!

Initially i felt it was big, but then i cant use my 920 it looks small once u get used to 1520..

Wait till we're all walking around with 10 inch phones lol I think we're going to have to evolve bigger hands.

Yeah after a week I couldn't really even go back to my Nexus 5 with a five inch screen. It's never too big to be unwieldy, but you will fumble it a few times before you know how to handle it.

I was exactly the same the first few days it felt wrong but now it just feels normal and my wife's iphone 5s looks and feels like a kids toy

Same this way I cant see myself with any other phone at the moment, held it up to my galaxy s5 and that felt so small I would never go back

well said.!!! once you get your grip on one you will never regret your purchase, i am a happy  owner of one as well.

Moved from android, note that wp is serious os for buisiness,unlike android which is more biased to fun.



On Paper it looks like a very big phone but it is so slim can fit in pocket without bothering. And its large screen with windows OS live tiles makes it most beautiful than any other phone.

For me it is the perfect phone.

Its not too big, everything else is too small ;) Seriously though, it fits in most pockets perfectly even if it slightly pokes out of small pockets. The amazing screen more than makes up for any small inconveniences.

The size really grows on you and then everything else becomes way too small. I thought it was big when I first saw it on display at the store.. But actually having it in your hand, and using it on a daily, changes things. I highly doubt I'll ever use anything smaller than 5.7 as a daily driver.

I got used to it. It felt HUGE initually when I upgraded from Lumia 720. Now other phones seem tiny to me. Can't stand small displays anymore :p

Same with TVs. Remember when a 32inch TV was massive? Now they're tiny because everyone has a 42inch TV. My sister has a 47 inch TV and they already feel it's getting too small.

Go for it i went for one over the 1020 and so glad i did . Its feels big for a few days then its just normal after that . The camera is awesome as well

No!! The 1520 fits perfectly!! Big 1080p screen with great colors, and sharpness.. Holds well in the hand, and fits in your pocket nicely❕❕
The only dudes that complain about the size of the 1520 are those played out, skinny, tight, yoga pants wearing, soft little bone heads who are afraid to get a little dirt under their perfectly manicured, and painted girly little fingernails.... The 1520 is for dudes, not little girls..... You should get one if you're at least an average size adult male...

I remember pulling my 1520 out of the box, laying it on the desk and thinking, wow, that is really big. A few days later, I couldn't use my 920 without squinting and making a hundred typos on the keyboard.

Go for it brother , You gonna love it ;)

I have been using it for 2 months and now no any other phone can take this place. I love My 1520 more then my Grl frnd ;D

Possibly, that's when the official support for WP 8.1 starts. The actual release may be anytime before or after that day.

Do you know if unlocked devices will get priority? I have the Hong Kong variant of the 1520. June 24 sounds optimistic...

Was it factory unlocked if so depending on the service provider or that Microsoft mobile subsidiary it came from its anybodys guess when they'll approve it for ms to publish it to your handset

i don't think it will make any big difference, almost every win7 driver can work on win8.1 !
WP8.1 is just like windows 8.1 update for 8 

But 8.1 has a lot of added features like Cortana and notification center. Also changes to memory allocation and how background process run. All this tends to use a lot of battery life. With firmware updates, they can probably tweak the CPU idle clocks and other low level stuff which could improve battery life. Like how Windows 8 uses less battery power than 7.

So sorry for you guys but my 1520 lasts me all day. I go to work at 7am and leave at 5pm most days and it still has more than 35% left.
Best phone I ever owned.

I used it at E3 with heavy use all day, never ran out either. Battery is incredible, but everyone has different standards, I guess.

Unplug my phone 7am. Reach home 6pm. Still have 70%. Little WhatsApp, surfing 20~30 minutes, little facebook, read wpcentral 30 minutes, 3~4 calls, little SMS and read local forum 20 minutes. This L1520 best battery life I ever have since Sony w810.

Same with the icon was a little worried that with the bigger screen their slightly bigger battery then the ativ s but i guess with extras like tweaking the color temp to warm(NTSC standard) its all good untill i play a power hungry game @ end of day

I go to work at 8pm and get off at 8am, have had my phone off charger since 2pm yesterday, and I still have 65% battery... I can go 2 days with my 1520...

Are you running 8.1 though? My 1520 still lasts all day, but it used to last 2. Hoping Cyan helps with that like the updates to 8.1 have (gets a little better each time).

Depends on how you use is it. Play Asphalt 7/8 continuously in a row and charge your 520 like 10 times a day... On the other hand, just call and text and you'll get around 16-36 hours depending on the amount of talk time.

My Icon can easily last 30 hours if all I do is light messaging and browsing, take a few pictures and listen to music, and don't have cellular data on.

But if I browse any websites that have message boards (Disqus, for example), or have long SMS conversations, the battery just eats away at a 25%-30% per hour rate.

Thats the difference between Iphone and Nokia. on iphone, battery life is consistant, no matter what you do, you will get your day done. Nokia; ahh it can eat battery in 3 hours or can last for 90 hours.

I don't normally feed the trolls, but you need to put down the crack pipe before somebody believes that tripe. I've had every iphone from the first through the 5s and the only thing consistent about them was a dead battery about halfway through the day if you did anything other than leave it idle in your pocket.

Well, I can honestly disagree there!  I had an iPhone 3G and got tired of the propriatary BS of Apple, so switched to a Samsung Galaxy Nexus.  Updates from Verizon was a nightmare, so got a Nokia Lumia 928 and fell in love with it.  The phone fell in a pond at the park, and a friend of mine convinced me to try the new iPhone 5S instead of replacing my 928.  I agreed and had the iPhone 5s for 4 days and had to charge it 6 times.  I finally gave up, brought the phone back to Verizon and swapped it for the Lumia Icon (had to pay a restocking fee, but fully worth it).  I easily get a day and a half charge out of the Icon and don't have to worry about using iTunes to load/unload my pictures, videos and music (I hated having to do that with my 3G and still hate it with the 5s - when is Apple going to allow plug and play USB file manipulation?  Its so stupid to have to use iTunes! everytime I want to rearrange my pictures or music).

GPS needs optimisation. I use an app called battery doctor that shows location really drained the battery. I turned it off and the battery of my 1020 charges much quicker and lasts a lot longer

Wwll, I can say that after I updated my Lumia 1020 to 8.1, it got considerably better in battery life. I can only expect the same for the firmware update - hope so.

No issues with the battery on my 1520. About 2 days with heavy usage (lots of music, browsing snapping pictures, sending mails and gaming, about 1-2 calls and a few texts). My fiancee has to charge her 920 twice a day with very light usage. Let it drain the battery completely, charge it for 45m-2 hours and use it until drained again. That could help out. Fixed most of the battery issues I had with my old 920.

I've got no complaints with my Icon.  I can go up to two days without a charge, even with 8.1 installed.

L1520 on 8.1 was draining battery fast but I fixed it. If you do Gmail, stop syncing for a day and see if it fixes it. It it improves significantly then enable Gmail sync and set it to once an hour. (the learn as I go option sucks battery).

Also on Gmail calendar, I have heard burns too much battery too. There is a suggested replacement link for calendar sync in the forums. I suggest you use that. It tells you to mauanly change the sync URL path.

For me it was night and day. Now the phone lasts close to 3 days.

Thanks! I will search for that thread and try that for sure.  I thought with the second 8.1 update that the issue was fixed. Nope. Back to draining fast again.

YES! The low light on my 1520 pales in comparison to my old 920 so this will be much appreciated.

I'm also really keen for in camera raw editing. I was saving the raw photos but found I just could never be bothered to put them on my pc to play, with in phone editing, if it is robust and feature full, then I can see myself playing around with it.

Aperture isn't the only thing that contributes to better lowlight photography. Lumia 720 has an f1.9 aperture yet can not take better lowlight photos than Lumia 920.

The bigger camera sensor coupled with the huge amount of Megapixels can surely make the the 1520 produce lowlight photos compete with that of 920.

In addition to this I think 1520's sensor supports higher ISO than Lumia 920, something also important for lowlight photography.

Only the improvement of low light pics of 1520, 930? Wat about other pureview mobiles?? 920, 925 and 1020?

Of course you can. In ISO-conditions, I don't have that tint with my Nokia 808 Pureview, as opposed to the 1020 (indoor)

Now this is what I need to see!!!! Coming from the 808 PureView, using flash on the 1020 is a horrible experience! The yellow tint ruins everyone when using flash. It should not happen like that and we should not have to use manual controls to counter the unsightely yellow tint.

The N8 was fine as well. From my experience it is LED flashes that cause yellow tints rather than xenon. I have not noticed the tint myself but did before the black update which was supposed to have fixed it. So if people are still having the problem I am sure it can be rectified

Yes, N8 and it's flash were amazing. I still have my N8, as pictured in my avatar picture. :) Great little phone, built like a tank and the 12MP photos and xenon flash still beat out most competitors in real life situations where a flash is needed.

I often wished that the N8 sensor, optics and Xenon (plus OIS) would have been used for the 920 and others. Imaging the N8 camera being in all the 9 series devices!

The point is Nokia always produce phone having some defects, there is not a single phone Nokia can proudly say - IT IS THE BEST EVER AND DEFECT FREE. Apple PULLs IT BETTER.

What are you talking about? I never said anything about Nokia phones not having or having defects.

Anything can have a defect and Apple is not exempt from that rule.

Why do you have Daniel's name in your username? That's strange.

Yes, Apple is no exempt from it, but they have few defects, nokia has truckload.

And Daniel have my name in his user name, see it correctly.

Shocked that all the answers were related to the 1520, 930/icon or 630. Sounds like no improvement is coming to the 1020 (except creative studio and story teller).


This being said, they stated (lines to take) that living images are coming to the 930/icon and 1520, when we ALL have it with nokia camera beta. So I don't know how pessimistic should we be.

Sad to say it, but it is Microsoft after all.... we'll be lucky to have backwards compatibility in Apps (unlike the W7 guys).  But they always tend to forget about the past and just work, on new devices.

This is why I keep saying, pleople should buy phones for what they are at time of purchase, not for what they might become, because there is still a chance they'll go nowhere.

Are you joking...?

If anything Microsoft is the company that holds onto support and legacy far more than any other software company. For fucks sake, they are STILL updating XP for customers that couldn't make the over a decade deadline.... (e.g. the IRS)

Do you have a program from two decades ago? It will still run on the latest Windows.

Microsoft consistently goes out of their way to support things far longer than they should where it's feesible and makes sense. If anything the core OS change in WP8 from Windows CE to Windows NT is an exception, one they had to do out of neccessity and we are better for it in the end.

And then Mestiphal... what do you mean lucky to have backwards compatibility unlike W7? Do you mean Windows 7? Windows Phone 7?

For Windows 7... I have no idea what you could even possibly mean. For WP7... WP7 apps work on WP8 (except for a few API incompatiblities, like certain game API's).

Are you trying to say the WP7 phones can't run WP8 apps....? That wouldn't be backwards compatitiblity... that would be like... forwards compatitibility. That would be like suggesting DOS should be able to run Windows 8 apps, obviously at a more extreme generational split.

The reason a previous OS can't run software from a newer generation on a different core is it simply doesn't have the neccessary capacity to execute the instructions written for the new/different OS... to add them, if even possible, would require about the same amount of work as building an entire OS... so doing it twice... but worse because you're porting code to CE rather than using the established kernel of NT.

And what would this have gotten them if they did it (and it even worked to an acceptable level)... some devices with dated hardware might be able to run some of the apps written for WP8. Others would likely have dependencies that they still couldn't run or quirks in the ported code making it harder to have apps perform in the way you would expect, e.g. performance, reliablity, etc.

Then anytime they would want to update WP8 they would have to do even more work to also update WP7... or then other WP8 apps wouldn't work on WP7... and people who were expecting apps to "work" on their devices would get frustrated because now some apps simply wouldn't work.

Regardless of the method at some point there would have to be a breaking point, where work is stopped on the previous legacy OS and continued on the current one. It's better to break that at WP7 without wasting tons of effort on a port that likely wouldn't even work well. Which is what they did.

As for the original comment about whatever is not coming to the 1020, for all we know they just didn't mention updates that are coming because they want to promote newer selling devices, but the simplest answer is that the 1020 as a generational older SoC than the current 1520, Icon, and 930 which are all using a Snadragon 800. For things like l images, it literally can be as simple as it requires hardware that the Lumia 1020 does not have. Sure it has a great and giant image sensor, but that doesn't mean it's not lacking in hardware on the SoC or even just raw processing power, though I'm less expectant it is the latter.

This all said, Mestiphal is correct that people should buy phones for what they are at the purchase time, not what they could be. This is a good philosophy to follow and it's not a "Microsoft" thing, it's just a simple fact of any technology/device today. Technology is constantly improving and so what is possible (or reliable) on new technology does not have any realm on its predecessors.

Software will be designed for this new technology... but there is never a guarantee that software can make up for something lacking in a previous hardware. Often software developers will attempt to make the best of a situation knowing this fact, but there are always limits on what can be done.

Resources are never unlimited, regardless if we are talking about device resources, development resources, or simply time. Any one of those can be massive factors of why something can/will being built or not.

And when it comes down to it, these companies build devices and software to make money... suprising I know. So when resources are not infinite, they have to be allocated and used in a way so these companies continue to make money. Generally that means building things that encourage consumers to continue giving them money.

That truly is a generalization because the reasons why people give money for a product can be widely different. People want the latest an greatest, but they also want something that can have lasting value (as commenters are sorely aware of). In the realm of technology the "latest and greatest" comes so fast that devices are nearly obsolete on a one to two year cycle. What I mean by obsolete is that in a general sense devices create two years ago would struggle or be unable to perform task that devices built today can perform.

Can old devices still perform many other tasks that new devices can? Sure. Reading an e-mail is not vastily different on hardware even 3+ decades ago. Same for viewing a photo, a simple app, or most webpages. But try to edit a 1080p video on a 1ghz single core ARM processor from a few years ago... and you won't have a great experience. Hell, you wouldn't even be able to view a 1080p video on a device like that since the screen wouldn't be able to show it all. Even some of the heavier webpages today make simple web browsing tedious on older hardware. Limits on RAM, processor speed, and other hardware make the previous devices lag behind new devices and in some case simply unable to do certain tasks. This doesn't even mention other improvements than make previous generations fall by the way side, such as better cameras, more beauitful and larger/higher resolution screens, thinner, lighter, more efficient, new sensors and capabilities like Miracast, NFC, faster cell radio technology like LTE, 3D touch input, and so on.. and so on... and so on...

So the devices themselves are what become obsolete; even before any consideration to who's making them or building software for them. Could someone hack and stick new software on older devices that were never designed for them? Maybe, but just having an OS load on an old devices doesn't mean it will function properly nor does it suddenly make new hardware appear/improve itself.

But even knowing this fact people still want that "lasting value" when they purchase something. They want the money they spend to be worth more than the device they bought. They want it to be that device + a better device down the road. That's like buying a sandwich, or a car, or a shoe, or a necklace, and expecting that somehow these things will more than a sandwich, a car, a shoe, or a necklace as time progresses.

In an oddity of modern times there is a truth to that when it comes with software. Software can and generally should improve over time. It is the moldable thing that is at a lower potential state when first built vs later in it's life. But those improvements aren't magical or a free. They must come from somewhere. Effort and resources must be used to improve that software to make it more than its former self. Those resources aren't magically and must come from somewhere.

In a general sense consumers seem to believe that the money they put into a device when they purchased it does not just cover the cost of the device as it is but is a down payment for a better device down the road. Part of what they think they are paying for is this expectation of "lasting value".

But what if in reality that cost truly only covers the work that has been thus far for that device? What if it just barely covers the manufactoring of the device and the software that currently rests on the device at sale? How can there be resources left over for this "improved" device they expect it to be in a year or two's time?

It's a complex answer and depends on each seller and ecosystem, but for some device sellers there is no resources left. What you paid them is all the resources they can afford for that device. If they were to add anything the resources would have to come from somewhere else... likely more sales. In that case, using resources to improve software might be viable, as those improvements might bring more sales, and those the source of the resources for improvements.

But as we know devices themselves become obsolete, so at some point it makes more sense to build a new device, with better hardware, which will allow better software, than to continue to put resources into older devices that might not actually recoup those resource back through more sales.

A common example of this is Android devices. Where the device makers have little incentive to apply resources to add newer OS support to their devices, when they feel it would be better spent on a newer device. The newer device will come with a purchase, i.e., a flow of resource, will have new hardware, which allows them to build newer software.

Supporting an old device, even one just a few months old for them means spending resources that might not actually come back to them as buyers will likely having increasingly less desire to buy older harder once new hardware is available. So spend resources to update older hardware in hopes that it sells more devices, or use those same resources for a new device that by the very nature of being a new device will have a higher purchase chance over the older model.

And there is the dilemma that device makers, software builders, and consumers alike discover. The newer thing will almost always be better than the older ones before it. Developing software will often be more profittable for the newer device over the older one. But as a consumer, you want your device to stay as that "newer" device over having to spend money for a new one.

It's not a Microsoft way. It's just how the progress of time is. New things get better. Older ones less so.

In the case of Nokia (which is now Microsoft) they actually push to bring that lasting value to their devices. Historically their devices are built well and survive the physical test of time excellently. This is part of the value they try to bring to their customers. If you buy their device, it should survive you using it, drops and all.

In the case of software, even with the necessary change from WP7 to WP8, Nokia went out of their way to bring value to their WP7.5 devices. They brought over as much as they could from WP8 in the line of apps and features, through firmware/OS updates. These are resources that they might not get back from sales of WP7.5 devices, but hopefully would get when costumers stay with Nokia and buy a device down the road from them. This shows Nokia's resolve when it comes to that "lasting value" dilemma.

As for Nokia as part of Microsoft? I for one expect that to stay. Microsoft understands that same "lasting value" and through the decades they have shown they are more than capable of doing so. At the same time the modern Microsoft understands that doing so can go too far and have outcomes that aren't really excellent for anyone, consumer or software giant. With that understanding they are also aware of when they need to cut rope and move on to something that has a better chance of working better for all involved.

In the super modern Microsoft of just the past few years, we've seen several transformations of the company as it finally get confortable in its new direction. This is especially aware with the new CEO and leadership team (which to be completely fair was started by Steve Ballmer years ago) quickly following that new direction and pace. A lot of the ugliness people might attribute to Microsoft in the past few years is almost entirely due to this transformation of both the company and it's products.

What started a years ago still hasn't been fully realized by the public yet. The long task of acquiring Nokia is evidence that the company wasn't at it's full form yet. Yet, even still in that time we have seen a dramatic change happen both with the company and it's products. I expect the next few years to be incredibly exciting as the transformation completes and Microsoft gets to push full steam as one united goal.

So... what to take from all this blabbering?

Cyan will likely improve all devices in some way, even ones they didn't mention, but if something doesn't receive a feature in the newer phones it could be as simple as new hardware requirements (even things like performance).

Mestiphal is right that you should buy a phone (or any device) for what it is when you buy it. By the nature of how technology advances you can't really expect anything else, as newer things will always be arriving and that's no guarentee that older devices be able to support the things newer devices can (whether due to hardware improvements or resources necessary to create software for existing devices).

That said, Microsoft and maybe more importantly Nokia are two of the top companies when it comes to supporting old things. While both have discontinue X and Y for numerous of reasons (generally will good reason) they both have a long history of bringing "lasting value" to their products. Both also often go out of their way to improve the experience for their customers even if that means using resources they can't guarentee they will recover.

If you're frustrated with how dispossible devices are these days and how quickly they are replaced, that speaks more to the passage of time and speed of innovation than the policy of device makers, but even in the cases where it is the device makers, such as with many Android devices, Microsoft and Nokia are generally the exception to this behavior.

Probably more pureview devices will be supported. Just like ability to save living images on the latest Nokia camera update. Cmiiw

All answers were related to 1520 icon/ 930 cause that's where the problems are they cant make the 920/925/928 and 1020 cameras any better that's why they keep updating Nokia camera app for anyone to have the best control over your pureview camera.

I disagree on this !

The 920 had a marvelous camera producing sharp pictures and natural colors when it was running the PORTICO firmware.

As soon as the same 920 got the AMBER firmware, the pictures became a lot less sharp and they got that yellowish tint.

Phones like the 925, 1020, etc that came with the AMBER firmware out of the box suffer from the same degraded picture quality/

This degradation was not solved in the BLACK update.

1020 is dead, why you bought it at first place? On its birthdate, fate was sealed - a great camera phone with tortoise speed in focus and shot to shot time.

Who cares for you and your phone! The day you bought 720, Nokia started hating you and took firm decision to never give more to your phone. The reason 720 didn't get updates is you.

Yes you're right. It's a shame. They're focusing on 3 (or 2) devices when we KNOW we'll get some improvements on our "older" devices, camera beta being a blatant evidence.

why you asked him? it was already stated in nokia conversatons at time of annoucing nokia cyan. Asking same question repeately don't change the answer.

honestly, i just can't wait for Cyan on my Icon so that my Wifi starts working normally again.  it's just horrible with the developer preview.  anything else i get with Cyan would just be gravy lol

That's why I reverted back to 8.0.Im on a 300mb data plan and can't have WiFi not working.The other big issue was mms didn't work at all. +1520

I also reverted back to 8.0 from 8.1 on my Icon. 8.1 is totally broken on Lumia Icon. Avoid if you have one.

I have 8.1 on my Icon. I would never call it totally broken... What is going on with yours that you call it totally broken?

I was using 5ghz on my home network and had random drop outs on my 1520. I switched to using the 2ghz (roughly) network and it doesn't drop out.

Ohhh! I didn't know this was a thing! I couldn't figure out why my Wi-Fi was so bad lol... I even went over my data last month while downloading music because I didn't realize I had been dropped from Wi-Fi! I also wish they would fix the delayed screen unlock on the icon... So annoying.

WiFi is causing the delay on the lock screen,but my 1520 was unusable after installing the Preview.Avoid it like the plague,it bricked my Ativ S and their is no recovery tool from Samsung like Nokia has.Should have learned my lesson from that experience.

L920/820 2012 models, you are expecting more support ? They are doing it right, supporting newer models, why should they bother with 2 year+ older models ? It doesn't make sense.


Ehm, 920 got released in Sweden about 14 months ago, when I got mine. Just to counter your 2+ years old phone ;)

Microsoft better should update L920,820,720,1020 & Others if possible because Microsoft is the culprit for making some stupid & lame decisions of not increasing the specs until it was needed if this stupid decision would not be taken L920 would had a better processor eg.Snapdragon 600 @1.7ghz dual or quad variation & the most L1020 would had a Snapdragon800 processor at that time or atleast a Quad core processor clocked at 1.7ghz.Microsoft flaunts their os saying we have 41mp but their stupid decisions have kept people from buying a wp.If Apple can support a 4yrs old launched model i.e Iphone 4 till its last ex V of ios then why can't Microsoft do it.

LOL at the time the 920 was introduced (September 2012), the Snapdragon S4 Pro (quad core) was the best you could get, but they could only use the Plus version of the S4 (dual core) due to OS limitations. The Snapdragon 600 was introduced after the 920 went on sale. Something similar happened with the 1020.


Yeah sure, Apple supported iPhone 4 till iOS7 but did you tried it on that phone ?

That was only to force people to upgrade from iPhone 4 to newer model. Not because they make optimalization and wanted iPhone 4 users to feel support.

Yeah that Xbox music bug. I guess that app should be written again. If that app continues to be buggy then its a disappointment.

I thought that the Lumia 1020 would of been mention in there....The video and also the night pics could be a lot better on that phone.

The only way to know is to wait or Dan could get some more inside info about all this... :)

They probably didn't mention the 1020 much because they are looking forward at their future devices (including the current Snapdragon 800 equipped 1520) and that alludes to a 1020 successor. :)

They mostly talk about the 1520, Icon and 930 because they have the Snapdragon 800 that enables imaging improvements and processor dependent abilities that older chipsets in the 1020 and basically every other windows phones cannot reproduce easily if at all.

1020 successor (with at least a SD800....at least) here we come!

Idk what yellow tint everyone's talking about, but that might be because I have a 925...

Yeah man you are right, the pics on 1020 are like too much saturated. They should also do something about it. They should work on battery Rapid draining issue and heating issue. Have to charge it twice a day. And sad thing is I just baught it a week back.

I hope cyan will fix a big I've had that I have sound on one earbud only until I restart my phone. It only happens about once a week though.

Comment From Steve LitchfieldSteve Litchfield: ] Do you guys still have your Nokia 808s? And do you ever use/play with them? 8-)



Tuesday June 17, 2014 4:49 Steve Litchfield


Juha Alakarhu:
Yes, I do of course! I still use it sometimes and of course it is a good reference for new cameras.



Juha Alakarhu


[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Do you guys photograph much with ordinary digital cameras? what kind of cameras do you own?



Tuesday June 17, 2014 4:49 Guest


Eero Salmelin:
I have a Nikon D3 SLR at home, but have not used it too much lately.



Reading between the lines, the 1020 successor is going to reference the 808 PureView camera more (larger sensor, more powerful flash, ND Filter) and it is so good that Eero hasn't used his Nikon D3 SLR too much lately..... :)

I like the way how they skipped the questions about improving pics & post processing questions about the older Lumias (920/925) :/

Sony smartphones do real-time HDR video....which I would assume to be hugely processor intensive. So I imagine it'd be quite possible to do raw photo editing on an 800/805 smartphone.

Can't wait for the continuous auto focus on my Lumia 1520. I feel like it takes forever when I'm taking a picture compared to my wife's iPhone 5s. I hope Cyan fixes this!

It's about time they fix this. I had been disappointed by the low light video when i switched from 920 to 1520 last December.

"The whole team that developed the PureView technology is now part of Microsoft and continuing to work hard to develop the technology further."

THANKS. This could shut up some mouths.

That Lumia Cyan update sounds great for those phones mentioned, question is are they they ONLY ones(Lumia models) to benefit from that update with respect to the camera improvements??

things i want from cyan on my 920
1 better battery life
2 8.0 wifi back...dev preview wifi sucks
3.instant autofocus...takes a long time to take pic
4 speakers be louder...volume was much louder in 8.0 ftr preview the same songs have become less loud....i dont want to give the 8.1 features so dont wana go back

Can't say I have a battery issue, or wifi issue... Can slightly agree with the autofocus, but its not that bad... Can DEFINITELY agree with the difference in sound volume... So strange how much quieter it is!

Don't know how much Features would be ruined by Ms in wp8.1 as of now Music app is useless same goes for Video app as i was expecting some format support for flv,avi & basic features.To me wp8.1 is a Degrade from wp8 as i don't feel like my camera takes Superior low light pics as it did in the initial days when i hadn't updated my Lumia 920.In the last Wp8.1 update i had a good battery backup for atleast 2 days & now after this update I've to charge my phone twice a day.

Just an FYI, source link says "Coversations" not "Conversations".  Looking forward to better lowlight performance with my Icon.

Improvement for 930... Glad to hear the phone that's been announced 6 months ago, and pushed back 5 times already got updated for the best...

So is the continuous auto focus only going to be on the newer phones, or also the older ones like the 920?

If they fix the battery utilization issues from the 8.1 preview, I'm happy. My icon had great life before the preview. I knew it was a risk, but I'm ready for a full days battery life again.

I doubt of battery life improvements coz wp8.1 has got a lot of features from b4 like using word flow, Cortana for which location is one the while of ur using it, then live tiles and even notifications centre. Ap we have a lot of activities now than 8.0. Battery life would be improved not not to a great extent.

You know...I'm kinda strange about this but an announcement like...you know...RAW/DNG coming to 920...would be sorta nice. 8MP of a RAW image is still something. Just for hail Pureview and stuff...

When i had my ativ s and the gdr3 update was not coming to germany in the near future I changed my region to austria and was able to download. Does some1 know if this will be possible with cyan update too ? :)
Or won't it depend on region?
Lumia 1520

ENOUGH WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHY!!! I bought a cellphone, not a camera.

How about improvements to battery life when typing or surfing the web? IE and messaging wears the battery down like crazy. Do they have anything for that?


Sorry, wrong article. These are the imaging engineers. I bought a 1020 more for the camera than the cellphone. Any improvements to PureView is important.

I am still hoping beyond hope that Cyan will bring double-tap to wake to the Icon.  I don't care about Glance, but I do want double-tap...