Do you like that Games are listed along with the Apps in Windows Phone 8.1?

If you’ve installed Windows Phone 8.1 Preview for Developers, or read about the same, you would’ve observed an interesting change to the apps list.

On a Windows Phone device, swiping to the right on Start screen brings up the apps list arranged alphabetically. The games though, are listed in the Games app. That, however, has changed with Windows Phone 8.1, and the games also appear in the apps list.

I don’t know how you feel about this, but I’ve had a hard time accepting the change. I install a lot of games for reviews and for my nine year old nephew. To play a game, I head to the Games app, and pick the game I want to play from the list of games there. Now, all the installed games crowd my apps list. I have a lot of apps on my phone anyway, and don’t prefer it growing even further.

Of course, this change helps with the discoverability of the games and I’m sure game developers and studios will love it. Also, a lot of times, I forget to play a game after installing it on some recommendation online since the game is dug deep in the Games app. The recent change would take care of this as well since I go through my apps list several times through the day.

Do you like this change in Windows Phone 8.1? Take this poll, and don’t forget to share your thoughts on the same in comments.

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Do you like that Games are listed along with the Apps in Windows Phone 8.1?



Hate HATE IT! They are taking the soul of Windows phone and making it more like IOS and Android... Instead of upgrading our hubs they take them away completely and make us use at least 3 times the apps you had before! I would count down every thing I don't like but I don't want to rant. I will say there are many things I like and lot I don't I just hope MS is listening and makes the changes.

While the perfect scenario is that all Games be under the Games hub, I did not like that it was upto Developers to enable that in WP8. Some games showed up under the hub and other in app listings. So in that that sense, all games under app list is better that having to look at two places.


Forcing all games to be under the Games hub only (developers having no say in whether it shows under hub and/or app list) though would the real ideal scenario.

Developers used to be able to decide where to put their app, but not anymore. For at least half a year now the store category (games or not games) is the one that decides.

I absolutely hate that! I do not want my games and apps together. They are separate in the store for a reason, they should be separate on my device for the same reason too!

People like you wont stop complaining, right? It is pretty darn good that MS finally added Games to the Applist. You have no Idea how many times I had to explain my Friends and Family that Games are listed in the Games Hub and not the Applist. Answers like "weird, why would I open an App to open an App?" or "So confusing, If you wouldn't tell me, I would think my Phone is broken." always came up. Sure after some time they learned were to find downloaded Games but they still found it pretty unintuitive. Its not about your opinions, its about giving people choices to access their Apps the way they want to access them. New Users simply have no Idea were their Games are saved to.

Your friends are morons! Just because their phones have everything jumbled together doesnt mean having a singular place to go for all your gaming needs is unintuitive!

iPhone doesn't have everything jumbled together. It allows you to make "folders" groups of apps. That is something that MS should have done before removing the hubs. Unfortunatelly Nokia although they tried to give a nice solution, didn't manage to solve the problem of app organization in WP. 

That is something i look forward to in the next update.  (If not the return of hubs which was a great idea)

Yes, your friends are complete morons. Dafuk is strange about having the games in a place specifically created for that which is named games hub?!

Yes complete Morons as you are right? How about Games are nothing else but Apps? How am I talking to, you Shortminded Idiot fail to understand how new Users feel about this in the first place. Pathetic.

Even if I wouldn't say your friends are morons (since it's disrespectful and because I also noticed the same behaviour you described with my girlfriend who always tells me her games "disappeared"), I'm still convinced the game hub app is a better way to organize apps.

New users will always find some feature difficult to understand, but it doesn't mean the feature must be changed. Take the notification center for example: its obviously a better alternative rather than having to check the notifications on the tiles right ? Yet, my little sister who never had any other device than her windows phone still doesn't integrate the new reflex of swiping up to check on the notifications.

I don't think we should sacrifice/simplify some features for the sake of the users who want pure simplicity, we don't want windows phone to turn to an other iOS.

Dude, I'm with your sister on the notification thing. It really should have been a tile. This swipe down thing is so not counter intuitive to using WP. In fact I haven't used it since I've set it up. A tile with a little number letting you know how many notifications would have been better and would have continued the flow of the WP experience.

The tiles provide MUCH better space for app specific notifications. Having said that, the notification center does provide some good functionality and because i am familiar with the notification center in iOS i do use it. But still prefer the tiles for notifications. Unfortunatelly some developers are very lazy.

And how do your friends find games in the store?! Do they go to the games section or does it have a list with all the games and apps altogether?!

His friends are also going to search for contacts and settings in app list.... What a twat. If you are a new user, surly you will not know, and after they know I am sure they will also agree that their app list is now cluttered with too many apps

That exactly is why. While the hubs were marvelous, idiots couldn't figure out how their life way more organized this way. They were "confused" as often idiots are.

In a genuine democratic twist, since idiots are more than smart people they often win. Such was the fate of the Hubs in WP and many other features in Windows 8 etc. etc. 

I for one hate the change as I feel it clutters the applist. Maybe by default keep it this way for people like your friends. But have something in the settings to allow us to keep games in the games hub, and hide them in the applist. That should make everyone happy.

On any device I've ever had ios or android before I got my WP. I always had a separate folder for games vs other apps. On PCs as well.

Isn't a tile labeled "Xbox" and with the word "games" on it a good enough hint that might be where the games are? No way I want my app list longer..

Your friends and families are fucking idiots if that's true.. Why wouldn't games be in the GAME HUB?! Doesn't take a scientist to figure that one out.

Wow. You should better watch your mouth you little POS. The only fucking Idiot here around is you. Fucking moron srsly. Where are those moderators if you need them?

There are icons and tiles though! If you really want faster access to games without opening the hub. And I hate this change.

What you are writing is the reason MS put all the games in the applist. My source is someone who works for the WP development team.

But I agree, your friends are morons... Do they want every single email they receive also in the applist because otherwise they cannot find it ? They open for god sake the email app to read their emails, so why is it so hard to understand that there is an Game hub where all the games are stored.

Interesting. Many like myself were on the Windows Phone site when they were showing their Windows Phone 7 live tiles pre Nokia making the phones - we jumped begins the whole vision of Hubs, etc.... but if Hubs are a good vision then they'd be easily understood and common sense.

That said more Hubs are good, I still remember the vision where content all came together into this seamless experience or whatever the very first Windows Phone commercial was talking about..... 2014 seems less ideological and far more GET MARKET SHARE!!

I'm with you. I think it's a major improvement. But the answer, like in all things, is choice. MS should have given users the option.

I'd chose to do it they way they have done. Others would not. And that's okay!

One good thing about it is that it finally has the quick jump alphabet for games.  I hated scrolling through dozens of games to play the one I want.  You can also use search or sort by most played apps/games.

But, I'd prefer to have those features in the Games hub.

LOVE it! The game hub still works, and most of the things I commonly run are pinned, so it doesn't bother me. Groups or personal hubs would solve the complaints. It seems like the hub concept is going away, which I'm ok with.

Absolutely awful. Hate this change. Should have an option to turn it off. That's what Xbox is for.

Agreed. It should be an option. I suspect Microsoft have done to help dispel the legacy rumour that Windows phone lacks apps. It certainly makes me realise how many games I had installed, most of which I never use! Just proves that apps can be a bit of a fad, and no substitute for good core services. Time to put Facebook integration and hubs back!

I agree. I mean, how hard would it be to make a slider to show apps in the games Hub only, or have them ALSO show in the start menue? Simple slider would be win-win.

I agree if they want to make the visibility of games, I think they should make use of the left side of home screen instead. The right is for apps and the left is for games.

ergghhhh it's most absolutely irritatingly annoying.. it makes the app list way too long.. used to be able to install and try new games easily but now I have to think about adding to the list or not and in not even a usual gamer on my phone!!!

guys, we can use nokia app folder. just create a folder for your games. the tile is transparent too!

Just like to note that it would be really easy for Microsoft to add a new option that enables/disables this. I myself dont like it but some of you do.

Nooooo. Even further, I wish we could hide the apps that are pinned to the home screen that stay in the apps list. There is too much redundancy.

Sam I think I asked this in another article but what happened to the updated games hub that was leaked? Was that a hoax?

Re OT. Right now its kinda annoying as my app list is now easy to long. Also don't like that you can no longer delete games from the games "hub"/app.

I like it, since it's the same as on Windows 8.1. More unification between desktop Windows and Windows Phone is great to me.

I like it too, Games are apps and they need to be in the APPS LIST.

Example:If i have 100 games apps and only 10 apps that are not games, how can I find anything in limited Games Hub, maybe MS should do apps hub that are not games?? Separate the games apps from the apps list  does not make any sense!

Apps are apps and games are games for me. I like them separate. If they're going to do this, at least give us app list folders.

I only play with Cortana so Cortana is a game for me, where Cortana need to be on my phone, in games hub or in the app list?

Not a huge fan, but then I have a few hundred apps, and only a handful of games! Doesn't make much of a difference to me! But you don't want to know how long the whole upgrade to 8.1 took.. ;D

I know this isn't answering the question, but I just wish all of the apps could be arranged the way they are in Windows 8/8.1 instead of that long list. 

That would be absolutely brilliant. As would the option to rotate and have the tiles conform to the panoramic view ala Windows 8

To have a choice.  There should be a toggle setting that will allow games to be listed in the main menu or only in the Game Hub.

I don't care for it. They are also still listed in Games so they should have at least given users an option to opt out of displaying in Apps List. Doing it this way, things can cluttered real fast.

Absolutely hate the new change. Would rather them stay in the games hub. My apps after the most important things to access, not my games. It hampers my ability to quickly locate apps and open them when I actually need them. It doesn't matter so much for games since I would be in a leisurely state so I can take my time to get to them, but this is unacceptable for important applications.

I'm not a fan. I think it was something people did ask for, they didn't like having to go into an app to find and play a game or have a tile used for a specific title. I can see where some people like it but I'm not one of those people. I like my phone to be easy to find and use apps that are not on my Start Screen and this makes it alot harder. It also makes the Xbox Games app bascially useless, unless you like changing your Avatars clothes alot. That being said, maybe one day it would be nice to have this option but give people a choice! Add that to when the full update comes. Settings > Games > Toggle for "Games in App List". That is all I want. Same goes for the option to have extra tiles on the start screen. They gave people the option instead of forces it on all users. I can't imagine it would be a hard to add. 

When I bought my 920, I thought it was weird since every other OS doesn't have a hub, so I appreciate it.
Also, the games are still in the games hub, so I don't see why it's a big deal that we have options.

Wow. It's amazing how the itards and android users completely killed the neat hub experience that 7 and 8 had. Now we conform to the lowest common denominator. So what exactly makes a windows phone unique?

The reason why is easy, the new Games-Hub does require Internet to display the installed Games. I don't like it either...

The old way was odd but I got used to it. This is different but I'm sure I'll adapt again. Think Cortana. When you say 'launch' all apps are treated equally.

Also think "one platform". Windows 8 already lists games with all other apps. It can also group apps by type. New feature coming soon to WP?

No, although I haven't downloaded the 8.1 yet, but I have a lot of games, I can't imagine how long my apps list will be :S

Trust me, it looks horrible. It was the first thing I noticed when I updated my phone and my instant reaction was "WHAT THE HELL HAVE THEY DONE?!"

I don't have 8.1 on my phone yet, but I certainly don't like the idea of having games in the same program list as everything else.  Better to have them all nicely tucked away in the game hub.

I like it.
Gives better incentive to not have ugly icons. And they're more easily accessed. And it's more in line with Windows 8, which a majority of tweaks in the future will likely bring Windows Phone more towards.
Can't wait for the horizontal-scrolling start screen with categories! (That's sarcasm, but then not really, because I've accepted that it may happen and that I wouldn't be against it.)

I personally don't like it but they should have a option for how you want it to be, new way or the old way.

There was an update to the Games app that fixed this for me. (At least, on my 920. Might not work as much if you have a lower-end device.)

No...it sucks....
My photos hub is gone as well...
Friggin music and video apps r 2 different apps....and music is really slow.....just sucks

I hated that they were separated in wp7 when I first got it but as I got used to it I liked it.. And I find it annoying now as a longtime user to go back to what I originally expected, but that's exactly why they did it because that's what a first time user would expect removing a barrier to entry which was a big point of this update that means more users and better for the rest of us... So do I personally appreciate the change.. No.. Was it the right thing for Microsoft to do .. Yes..

In the end its probably better this way so that people won't forget that they have the games. Better for developers? I guess they took out the sort option in the app list for 8.1...

I didn't like it but when I want to find a game without opening the game hub it seems ok. The games are in the game hub but can't pin from hub.

You are right. I know that you could with WP8.0. With the inclusion of the games in the apps list, they took away the ability to pin games from the hub in WP8.1. Don't know why they had to remove that as an option.

I have a 920 running 8.1 and I am finding that I cannot pin from the game hub either.   I do not like having the games in the main menu, but if they were only in the game hub and one cannot pin from there, that would be a significant problem

I know some people wanted it. However, it should be an option. I was hoping there would be sorting and filtering options for the Apps list. Hopefully that will come with one of the GDR updates.

I'm going to say no just because it clutters it up.

When you think about Microsoft's "One vision," it's hard to wonder why games are so inconsistently grouped. You have PC where they're grouped with apps, Xbox One where they used to be grouped with apps but are now separate, and then you have Windows Phone where they used to be separate but are now grouped with apps. 

No. As soon as I noticed I said allowed "Awww man! What type of nonsense is this???" I'd like them removed, but I'm not dwelling on it.

I don't mind that the apps and games are all in the same place. Before, I would forget that I had to go into the Game Hub to find games. Now I can find the games either way since the Game Hub is still there. The key is having the option for users with different preferences.

If I was still a new user I would like it. I remember not being able to find my games when I first got this phone. Now that I'm used to it, I feel it just clutters the list.

I don't like it but I am getting used to it. And since the games app won't show your collection after the last update it is the only way to open up your games though

They should list the games alphabetically in the game hub with the letter shortcuts. They can even still divide it by Xbox live or not and have two alpha lists, but I really don't like the new way.

When I first got my WP, I hated the fact that the games didn't show up on the app list. Now I hate the fact that it shows up on the list lol. I already have lots of apps installed and it's better to just have all the games in xbox hub. And BTW, every time I go into the game hub, it takes a while to update the list of games and the scroll is sluggish.

Adding games to the app list is just one thing in disappointed with of 8.1. :( ... My list already has enough in it. Leave games in the game hub area!

One of their stupidest most illogical ideas from the standpoint of their design philosophy...theyre trying too hard to appease android and iphone users... I am sticking with my hub centric wp8 ...its a shame because i love the notification center but dislike how microsoft continues to alienate their consumer base with these 8.1 inconsistencies (both desktop and mobile)

I don't mind them being there but I'd like to tap a button at the very top of the list to select "apps" , "games" or "apps & games". I think that would tidy it up, keep us happy and keep developers happy.
You do tend to forget you downloaded a game as it does get hidden in the games hub but I think the above would be a good compromise.