Microsoft China teases Windows 9 as 'coming soon'

Windows 9 teaser

Need a clearer indication that Windows 9 is set to launch soon? In a post on micro-blogging service Weibo, Microsoft China asked, "Microsoft's latest OS Windows 9 is coming soon, do you think the start menu at the left bottom will make a come back?" The post was accompanied by a Windows 9 logo, which was quickly removed, but not before Cnbeta managed to spot it.

While the post did not provide a clear launch date, Microsoft is said to be considering announcing Windows 9 at a press event on September 30th. The date for the event may change, but a preview version of the operating system is slated to be distributed to developers and enterprise users in late September or early October. As for new features in Windows 9, Microsoft has already stated that it will be bringing back a version of the Start menu button for the desktop UI, and recent rumors suggest a host of new changes to the Modern UI.

Are you looking forward to the launch of Windows 9? Let us know in the comments.

Source: Weibo; Via: The Verge


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Microsoft China teases Windows 9 as 'coming soon'


I'm certain it's not the real logo. Logo is supposed to represent the brand, not (Marketing) version number. If this was the real logo they might as well rename Windows to "Nines", or "NineTile".

Also changing the logo after they recently changed it already, would probably annoy keyboard makers, since they'd have to change the windows key AGAIN.

Also don't see why they're asking if people think the start menu is making a come back when Microsoft already demonstrated such a comeback previously (though specifying the bottom left corner could be a red herring to throw people off, thinking its about the start menu as a whole rather than position.)

Over all, it's possible this is real, but I'm feeling more like someone with access to the Weibo account is getting suspended or fired. I mean, they took it down for a reason, be it a false start or a fake post (a "red herring" in its entirety). I'm betting [hoping] it's the latter [fake].

If it looks fake, and sounds fake, it might be fake

I'm not a big fan of tiles... On wp it's awesome and even on tablets... But for desktop PC with non touch monitor and mouse..I didn't find it appealing..I really wish they come up with some new solid concept or something like the good old windows 7

What is the difference between an icon and a small tile? The small tile is a bit bigger, but you are also getting a full screen so you see more of your programs before you need to scroll. If you don't like tiles, just make them small and they will be just like icons. I really don't see the advantage of the start menu over the start screen. The good old windows 7 just presents rows of icons like ios and android. The only thing they really need to do is make those live tiles actionable, like the demo from Microsoft research, and they will become very useful even with a mouse.

I'm just hoping they don't break what Windows 8 brought to the table to pacify the "Never change, never evolve" crowd who have been judging W8 without even understanding it.

I rather like things like the Windows Store and have found that metro does work well on the desktop for those that know what they're doing.

I am interested in seeing what the cost will be... or rather if they'll make it free for owners of W8/8.1. That would be a good PR move if Microsoft wants to purge the hatred from their grapevine rep.

Yes because not liking a touch interface on a desktop instantly labels you "Never change, never evolve" guy...
They should have made two interfaces that adapt to each device from the start, but all they cared about was touch. Now they learned their lesson and Windows 9 will adapt properly to input. So stop crying about touch. Touch isn't going anywhere so there will be a UI for that, however touch will NEVER replace mouse either so now there will be a proper UI for that too.

Now I can't wait for someone to reply how "I'm failing at using a mouse" or whatever... I can use mouse and I can perfectly use the start screen and charms with a mouse. It's because mouse is a great device. That still doesn't mean that having a touch interface with hidden elements for a mouse was a good idea... it was a terrible idea.

The misconception there is that the Start Screen interface is definitively a "touch" interface. Yeah it works well with touch, but it also plays nicely with all the same methods of navigation we perform with a mouse and keyboard setup. Don't have a touch-screen to zoom in/out? Hold ctrl and use the scroll wheel to zoom like we've been doing since Windows XP. Don't like the corner drop method of accessing toggles and whatnot? Use Win+i.

Little things like that are the answer to all the people who have let their mindset be wronged into thinking that the Start Screen is created solely for touch.

I use start screen every day and I launch everything from it, just as I used to do with Start Menu. I know all those tricks, thanks.
Yes it is meant primarily for touch. Why is it full-screen? Why can't we resize it?
Look at the all apps list. Why are all the folders turned into categories? It makes it hard to find what we need, if every single "folder/category" is open. Sure you can "zoom out" to only see folders / categories, but it's pretty much pointless, because once you click on either of them every single one of them opens again... We should be able to open each category / folder individually.
Now we will be able to again in Windows 9.
Now since you’ll tell me to just search for an app, instead of looking in the app folder list I’ll say this: What if I don’t know the name of an application item, but I do know its category / folder?

Charms are a dumb idea for a mouse. Even on WP and in some Windows apps you have the “…” to indicate that something is hidden. You can click that “…” easily to bring up the hidden piece. With charms you have nothing. You have to do some silly gesture with a mouse. That is not a good design. Of course someone will tell me how I fail at using my mouse again… I can bring up those charms just fine using a mouse, thanks, in fact I’d say they’re way too easy to bring up and always get in the way. Glad I can disable 3 of the 4 corners at least…

I also know about Win+C and stuff, that’s not the point. The point that hidden UI elements and fancy gestures aren’t a good design for a mouse.

I sometimes feel that some people are only upset about Windows 9 having more options and a better adaptable UI, because they will no longer be able to brag how they “learned a modern UI”, while all the “dumb dinosaurs” failed.

If you truly care that much about the ability to resize a modern application, get ModernMix and be done with it like so many others have (and before the generic retort comes up that companies would be opposed to a third-party solution, keep in mind that Lenovo and some other OEMs already bundle in start menu replacements like Pokki).

Also, what makes you feel that zooming to a category is pointless? In practice, that actually does give the solution to the problem you present... how people could lose the name of something they know the location of is questionable enough, but zooming out to see categories then clicking on the one you want does focus your view area directly to that.

Charms are a dumb idea for a mouse, but a mouse also isn't the ideal way of using them. Given that you know about Win+C already, you should also know how much more efficient it is to tap Win+C, then use arrow keys/enter (not a mouse) to navigate that area (ftr; I'm not entirely favorable of charms being tucked away in that sidebar - I'd rather have them aligned at the top of the screen where we have search and power).

There's also something of a contradiction in this thought process... you say things like "You have to do some silly gesture with a mouse." when you know Win+C debunks that... for every "fancy gesture" you dislike, there's a more traditional shortcut... and just as a principle of design, elements of certain environments will disappear and thusly be hidden simply so we don't have persistent bars hogging up the real estate of our interface.

"clicking on the one you want does focus your view area directly to that."
I find that barely accurate... Highly inaccurate if you have "show more apps in app list" enabled.

Not everybody knows about Win+C though. Your average Joe uses mouse for most things, not keyboard shortcuts. Charms are a dumb idea in general. Dedicated 4 buttons (I don’t count start). What's the point? There are no charms in WP, yet we can share, go to settings and so on. Now it will be the same with Windows apps. Each app will have those buttons inside the app itself. There's plenty of space in the bottom "..." bar for them.

My personal problem with charms is that they're too easy to bring up using a mouse. When I'm working and I quickly need to get to my tools on the right bottom side I just quickly "throw" my cursor to the corner and pull up till I reach my tool. Now doing exactly that brings up the charms, which block my panel. It is annoying. Of course I stopped doing that by now, but it is still annoying that I can't work as conveniently as before.

Anyway they are simple polishing the US. Improving good ideas, while getting rid of bad ones.

Universal store apps and live tile will remain and will be improved. UI will be more adaptable, while pointless charms will go away. That is NOT going backwards. That is polishing the OS.

Going backwards would mean removing all store apps and tiles too, removing ribbon from file explorer and so on.


Lol no. I use W8.1 perfectly with my mouse and keyboard and I don't have any problem at all! You just need to understand the UI. A change is as good as a rest.

But imo the start screen is better for mouse and keyboard. I can click programs much faster as I have a larger clicking area. At the old start menu I have to slow down and precisely aim at a tiny program. So annoying.

And you can happily continue to do do that in Windows 9. There will be a full-screen start option, and tiles aren't going anywhere either. Also the point of the mouse is exactly that: accuracy. It's pixel-accurate, unlike a big fat finger. There is no need for giant buttons. it's much more efficient to have lots of small buttons for a mouse. Options are good. Windows 8 lacked them, Windows 9 adds them.

Um, actually every option you've said Windows 8 lacks is something that already exists and is already in use. Just like the calculator example that just recently backfired on you, people have the option to return to the desktop, to make modern apps Windowed, return their classic start menu for free or to even ignore all convention of the Start Screen if they so desire.


As much as the present-age hippie dream of claiming "a big corporation took away our rights!" seems to appeal to certain niches; no one's blocked them from their option to solve these preferencial issues.

Yes let's solve Microsoft’s failure to make an adaptive UI by buying overpriced 3rd party modification.... No thx... I'll just wait for Windows 9. As for calculator read my reply in its related thread.

Personally I rather like the modern start screen, but I am going ot side with Sargon on this one.  It has absolutely nothing to with what is possible with the modern UI because, as many have stated already, there are ways to do things through the stock UI that make is perfectly functional, and plenty of great 3rd party mods that can make the expierence very 7-like.

The issue is the user.  Do you know how many people liked 7 over vista jsut because of the UI change made it 'cleaner'.  Forget about the driver issues, or trying to run the OS on woefully inadequate machines, making the UI just a little bit cleaner brought the most amount of praise from the general public... and the UIs of both OSs is almost identical!  It is a superficial change at best, and while an improvement, it is the least important improvement made to the OS.

So take that same crowd in a productivity enviornment and throw win8 at them.  It is a prodoctivity loosing machine.  If 7 works just fine for the workflow, then there is no way a company is going to waste man hours and training on how to best use a new interface.  And without using win8 at work then these same people are unlikely to adopt it at home.  All that people hear is that their company is not moving to win8 because it is too different, and they translate that into thinking that the OS is somehow broken or unusable. Win8 is pretty awesome as an OS, and I have found it great to use for work and play, but it does not matter if I know how to use it, because I am not going to go around and train people how to use their computers.  If the OS is not simple enough to be used by the average Joe upon release, then it should not have been launched.

Hopefully win9 will learn from this.  Windows 8 has some great advantages, especially for home users.  With any luck we will see those advantages better integrated in with the older style UI and people will be happy... or at least as happy as non-nerds can get about an OS UI.

How is making the start menu full screen make you lose productivity? It's easier to organize your shortcuts on the start screen than on the desktop and it definitely easier to use than the start menu. The charms menu is mostly for settings. How often does an average corporate user actually go to settings on a computer. The multitasking is a bit different, but with 8.1 you can multitask from the task bar. I really don't get the supposed high training cost. Have the users watch a 10 min youtube video and that should be all the training you need. I'm sure teh average users spends a whole lot more time that surfing the web and watching cat videos on youtube. The ui difference aren't really as drastic as people make them out to be.

But this doesn't explain people's desire for a start menu. The amount of apps you can see is very limiting. There is a lot of scrolling and digging through folders. Even thought a small tile is still bigger than an icon, I can see many more tiles on a start screen. You still have the desktop to pin all you small icons. The start menu basically servers the same purpose as a desktop since you can pin all your shortcuts there. Yes, the interface is designed to be used with touch, but I find the ease of use to be on par with the desktop.

@ymcpa Why do you even mention the desktop? Desktop has nothing to do with this. It's a matter of full-screen start versus small start. In the start menu (win7 at least) you can change the pinned application icons to be smaller, thus there is no need for scrolling. The all app list is also better in start menu, because all the folders are closed and can be opened individually. In start screen they are all opened and cannot be opened individually.

You don't understand why people want the start menu, because you fail to understand that NOT EVERYONE WANTS A FULL-SCREEN START. The OS is called Windows, not Window!
You like it, then good for you. You will have the option to use a full-screen start on Windows 9 so why complain? It's like trying to convince someone that green is a better colour than blue.

What is up with you people and your hate for options!? You all sound like crApple fanboys, who love the lack of options in crApple products.
Anyway no matter how much you may hate options we are getting our mini-start and there’s nothing you can do about it. I’m getting tired of this thread…


There have always been hidden elements with a mouse. Remember the right click? Those menus are different for every application you use. So, it takes some experimentation before you figure out what the right click context menu will do. Windows 8 on the other hand only had 3 hidden elements, the start button, multitasking interface, and charms. The start button was returned. So, you have 2 elements that work the same no matter which app you are in. So, I really don't see the issue with windows 8 and using a mouse. The only real problem I had was with using a drag motion to close apps. That is tedious with a mouse. They fixed that by bringing back the "x".

Exactly my thoughts. W8 works and is the best base I have seen for cross-device computing in the future (and it already has begun). The sweet spot will be getting the users with old habits in board, so the Modern platform will be better supported by devs. The thing is, there is so much going on for consumers and business users, that the former can't see the bright all-day usage we're heading to. I don't know if better marketing can fill this information gap or if MSFT may need to aggressively communicate via official stores/promotional events.

You think so? I believe they can satisfy both crowds if they change their approach. Companies do radical things because they have to do so in order to survive. True veterans will notice between Windows 3.0 and 95 there was controversy over the program manager... now the newly introduced thing that it was a fad to hate is a norm no one resists.

Listen to all the mass talk of a "post-PC era" and it's very obvious why they future proofed Windows to where it won't be left behind when tablets do overtake the traditional computer.

Where Microsoft screwed up is that they didn't let the consumer body in on what they're doing... just threw it out there and let whatever happens happen. In the company I work for, I'm the lead technician - I deal with hundreds of clients per week (personal and professional) and at least five times every day, I'm confronted by a Windows 8 hater that - after 2-4 minutes of talking to me no longer cares to have their computer downgraded to W7... 90% of 'em don't even know they could just take advantage of the faster, more resource-efficient, more stable and more secure operation of W8 while making it look and function like W7.

This makes it very obvious that Microsoft didn't do their job of giving people the information they need to operate the new Windows. It's not time consuming stuff, and it's something they needed to do when presenting something that can cause confusion.

If Microsoft gave the public adequate education on the product they release, I truly do believe they could satisfy people who welcome changes and the crowd of change-haters who fought to the death to defend VHS when DVDs came out.

People hate what they don't understand and therefore class it as broken, once they actually start using it and are able to navigate they quickly change their tune. I have taught countless users the basic, unfortunately most of turned out to be a disloyal bunch of toads. They now take my advice and go to PC World, get ripped off and then ask for my assistance in helping them resolve the issue. To most I tell them take it up with PC world as I found out the hard way - you offer a helping hand, they take your arms and legs then throw it back into your face.

"Windows 3.0 and 95 there was controversy over the program manager... "
There was still the option to use the program manager in Windows 95 though.... There was also a classic start menu option in Windows XP. There was no option in Windows 8. Also each new UI there was designed for mouse. With Start Screen it's different. It is not an improvement for mouse, like previous iterations of program manager / start menu was, or ribbon was to outdated menu bars. It is a new UI primarily meant for touch. Mouse didn't destroy keyboard, neither will touch destroy mouse. We didn't abandon cars when we invented planes either. Touch will become more popular, indeed, but it will never completely replace M&K.

Tablets will NEVER completely overtake computers, just like laptops never completely killed desktops. Yes tablets will become more popular and yes traditional computer will be less popular, however it will NEVER disappear. Why? Raw computing power. Movie studios won't be rendering animations or special effects on a silly tablet. Nobody is going to be 3D modelling with touch either. You need a 3 button mouse MINIMUM for that. PC gamers won’t be playing games on Tablets.
When people talk about "post PC era" they usually have never done any work besides making a power point presentation or using Word once or twice...

Actually, people who speak of the post-PC era are the ones who are watching to see what prevails in the market.

Obviously tablets can't completely overtake computers, but the crowd of casual users who don't do any serious front-end design/back-end coding job can be stolen away from their laptop/netbook/computer for a casual device that fits their lifestyle better than a workhorse... they do fit that archetype of "never done any work besides making a power point presentation or using Word once or twice" ... and it's sad to admit this... but looking at the numbers they generate, us professionals who need more start looking like the niche.

How ironic. By your statement, seems you are front and center in the "never change, never evolve" crowd. Just because you like something does not mean it is the best way to execute it. Allow Microsoft to "change and evolve" as it produces an OS that is great for most people and not just one that makes TLRtheory happy. 

If you do not agree with my assertion then yes, you are part of the part of the problem. Part of the "never change, never evolve crowd". 

Irony. Complete. 

The lapse in logic that sends this entire train of thought crashing down is your assumption that I'm opposed to anything but MIcrosoft thowing away their integrity to backstep... and the consequential assumption that I think nothing but perfection of W8.

Sorry, but that's simply incorrect. It was a cute attempt at irony though.

It's not a backstop. Did they get rid of tiles? No! Tiles were a great idea, so they remain. Did they get rid of universal store apps? No it was a great idea so it remains. FORCED full-screen metro calculator was an IDIOTIC idea so now we will have windowed store apps. FORCED Full-screen start screen meant for touch was a dumb idea, so now there will be options for big touch start and small mouse start.
There are no backups. Only polish.


Did you suddenly forget about snapping? The metro calculator doesn't have to necessarily be fullscreen, and for those who want a draggable old school calc... they can use it, it's still there. You prattle on about the choice they take away and bludgeon us with random emphasis on points that don't have a stable backbone.

If it is; indeed, improvement without backpedaling, that's awesome. As you may be able to on a later date once your panties are unbunched, I'm only against the instance that they ditch integrity to satisfy people like you who persistently fail to understand that the Start Screen is not just for touch.

I know that desktop calc is still there. I do use it. My point was regarding all the store apps being full-screen. I simply chose calculator because it is the silliest thing to be full-screen.

Snapping is flawed, it squashes the desktop, thus squashing all my desktop window sizes and desktop icons. If I don't move desktop Icons they return to normal once desktop is full-screen again, but other desktop windows remain squashed and that is annoying.

Snapping is a great idea for touch, especially since you essentially resize two windows at the same time, but it works horrible in relation to desktop. That will be improved. It's polish, not back step.

I don’t hate Windows 8, but I don’t love it either. It has some great ideas, but some bad ones too. As I said live tiles are amazing, universal apps are a great idea too, but there can never be one UI that works well on any device. NEVER.

Effective usage of snapping plays out a lot more like Linux workspaces where you have many active environments you can switch between at ease. They don't even have to obscure or manipulate your desktop usage.

Exactly. Most of their arguments are based on "we can adapt to anything", while "Windows 8 haters" fail. Well we'll see just how well they "adapt" to Windows 9... I adapted to Windows 8 and I use it. Doesn't mean I like it though and just because I adapted doesn't mean the design is good.

It all comes down to preferences and efficiency. Having universal apps is a great idea. Having a Universal UI was a terrible idea. Each device and each input method needs its own separate dedicated UI. Windows 8 failed at that. Windows 9 will deliver it.

Also incorrect. The arguments are based on examining what of the new can chop those seconds off of completing a task to make things flow faster, not merely being adaptable. I don't care that it's new, no one does. Vista being newer than XP didn't stop it from being an unstable nightmare... it's about understanding the tools put in front of you and being open-minded enough to see  when something can create a better workspace.

Some catch on to this, and some don't.

When I feel that it does create a better workspace then I'm all for it. When office 2007 introduced the Ribbon I absolutely loved it. Even today I think that ribbon is one of the greatest UI ideas Microsoft has ever created and I'm glad that they still continue replacing ancient menu bars with ribbon all the time.

However I don't think that start screen offers a better workspace. I just don't. I think Microsoft simply wanted to get into the mobile market as fast as they could, so they rushed and released an unpolished OS. Now they'll finish it up and polish it.

Everyone was bashing ribbon when it came out too, but it was a great idea so MS kept it. A single UI designed mainly for touch is not a very good idea so Microsoft is going to fix that and make the UI more adaptable. It's not like they're going to remove the touch UI. They can't. Hybrids like Surface pro depend on that touch UI. SO there are no backsteps.

My main point was simply that I find it completely unfair to say that everyone who dislikes windows 8 is automatically “failing to adapt” or “despises change”. Some are like that, true. Those people still claim that Windows XP is great and Windows 7 is horrible. Not everyone is like that though. I welcome change when it is for the better. In this case I don't find it better. Microsoft recognises this and this is why they're fixing it, instead of putting their foot down, like they did with ribbon.

They should make Metro a tick in settings. They should have the desktop by default. I love Windows 8 but for people who aren't tech savvy, they should prioritize them as they are the majority. We are in the minority. The modern start screen should not go away but they should make the desktop the default.

I've actually found that metro is easier to teach people who aren't tech savvy.

Being that a lot of my clients just want to have email and get on the internet, I've found a lot of value in the Start Screen for them. They don't have to bog down their system (and get the typical slew of infections) with weather software because the Start Screen simply shows it... in fact, everything is one-click accessible, they have a direct mail client right there so I don't have to fight with outlook's bullcrap, and the Windows key takes them home. Teaching my grandma how to use Windows XP (then 7) was hell... but my session teaching her 8 was painless :/

The exception to this are the old timers who just want things to be familiar. Then I just install classic shell, get their outlook express running and call it quits.

Desktop mode is already there by default. It's an option to boot directly to desktop.

I wish people would learn to actually USE Windows 8, instead of carping on about the fucking tiles!!! They are meant for touchscreen interfaces. And Metro/Modern does a great job on those devices.

I use Win 8.1 on my PC, and I never have to look at the Tile Interface if I don't want to...

I am amazed that everyone still believes what the IT press feed them!!!!!!

With Windows 8, MS made a radical change. It was a brave and forward looking change. True innovation if you ask me. Instead of constantly berating MS for what you believe they should be doing (namely, standing still), try applauding them for genuinely trying to change the way we use computers and devices.

No one else has had the balls to do it, but everyone will eventually follow suit and claim it was 'their' innovation. See Android L and iOS or Google and Apple if you prefer. When I listen to their marketing spiel for their interfaces, it makes me want to vomit!!!!

As for the Start button... Who needs it? Either create shortcuts for what you want on the desktop, or try using the interactive search, which is way faster than clicking through drop down lists to find what you need.... It's what it was designed for....

For me start screen is bit awkward to use on tablet. For me it works best with keyboard and mouse. Windows 8 is my favorite windows

Nothing really... it was actually a labyrinth of subdirectories and inefficiency that I only really dealt with because it was mandatory at the time. By all means, the Start Screen made everything I used to do easier to access, and it's the first version of Windows to feature something comparable to the workspaces Linux users brag about.

The key here is that it was familiar... and people do have a right to get upset when their familiarity is taken away without Microsoft letting them know how to use the medium that replaces it. That's why I honestly don't blame any of the people who made the switch to Mac when Windows 8 came out. A simple tutorial of a couple minutes that has enough promotion to impact the masses would've done wonders... but all we get is a "Help & Tips" app that is hilariously easy to overlook...

"labyrinth of subdirectories and inefficiency" WHAT!? So clean organised shortcuts are suddenly inefficient? Why do people have folders at all then? To organise stuff, so they wouldn't be thrown into a single big pile.

No matter how much you love Microsoft, it is silly to assume that they can do no wrong.
Microsoft always comes up with some great ideas, some bad ones and then release a crippled and unpolished OS. Then they realise their mistakes, get rid of bad ideas, improve the good ones and release a polished OS.

With Microsoft it’s always Good, bad, Good, bad…

Anyway since you assume that everything, as long as it’s “new” should be embraced by everyone, Then I’m going to have a fun time watching all you “Windows 8 dinosaurs” complain how you “can’t adapt” to Windows 9, or how “ugly” the mini-start is, even though there will be an option for full-screen start.

You're so far off base that you're starting to lose grasp on reality. I never said everything new should be embraced by everyone, that I *love* Microsoft, that Windows 9 is destined to be a bad thing... or that organization is inefficient. The new way of doing things just so happens to offer faster access. It's really not a hard concept.

Get a grip, dude.

I have to scroll through a long list and scan for what I need through a long list of icons. On paper it might sound like faster access, but in reality it is not.
It would be much faster if I was able to open each folder separately. Less scrolling needed that way and no giant sea of icons.

Anyway I'm getting that in Windows 9 so I'm happy. Since Windows 8 lovers are so great at adapting they'll just have to adapt to Windows 9.... Though they probably won't need to... Optional full-screen start will probably look the same... isn't it great to have options?


You don't have to scan through a long list... that's an inconvenience that you're giving yourself.

If something I need isn't pinned to where I can quickly access it, typing the first three characters to get to it from the Start Screen is infinitely faster than hunting through a labyrinth of menus.

...and since you seem not to have realized this; your option to open folders seperately was never taken away.

I already said that I might not know the name of a shortcut I'm looking for. Am I seriously required to memorise the name of every single administrative tool or tools that my codec pack installs and so on?

I can open folders separately? How? Don't tell me to buy an overpriced mod or go to C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs within file explorer and pin it, because that's just ridiculous.

Anyway if you are happy with Windows 8 then good for you. Majority isn't. So now we're going to have a more polished OS with more options.

No, you're not required to remember the name of everything... but it only makes sense that you'll at least know the "adobe" portion even if you may not remember that you're looking to get to Adobe Bridge.

 "I can open folders separately? How?"
Right click > "Open File Location"... boom, there's your folder.

And judging by the majority rule here doesn't really prove much, especially seeing that the majority of Windows 8 haters act like they have things taken away that actually exist in W8... when the majority thought the world was flat, that didn't stop them from being wrong just because there were more of them, there were just more incorrect people.

@TLRtheory In case of adobe yes it's true, because they all have "adobe" in them, however that's not always the case.
As for your right click and open location it is pretty much the same thing as I've already mentioned... You're basically exploring C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs in file explorer. So I might as well just put a shortcut to this folder on a desktop or pin it to start screen. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of having a launcher UI.
Once again it is fixing Microsoft’s failure to make an adaptive UI for them.

You’re not proving scientific facts though. You’re selling a product. If majority doesn’t like it then they’re right.

Anyway this conversation is going nowhere (what a surprise). I already stated that I don’t hate Windows 8. There are some great ideas in it, but there are flaws too. Windows always offered A LOT of choice in doing various things. Just compare how many ways there are to delete a file in Windows vs. how many ways there are to delete a file in Mac and you’ll see what I mean.
With Windows 8 Microsoft acted like Apple, but nobody (except apple fanboys) likes the “We know what’s best for you” attitude. Also as I’ve said one UI can never work on each device type. Each type of device must have its own unique UI. If you disagree well then there is nothing else we can talk about. You can’t argue preference.

If nothing else, you're right about one thing, this certainly is going nowhere.

As much as I'd love to continue exposing that every option you think W8 lacks is; in fact there, my 9-5 is calling so I'll just have to pull the "agree to disagree" card for now.

While I agree to an extent... "work well for those that know what they're doing," is a problem. Design goal for consumer products is to work well for everyone. If you don't hit that goal, you failed.

That is indeed the problem... and honestly where I think Microsoft went wrong.

Companies make radical changes all the time, but without any official, easy to access informative source, all they can do is hate it... hence the phenomena of all these Windows 8 haters that change their tune the second someone taps the desktop tile.

Sorry, nothing works well if you don't know what you are doing. How many people ask their kids to setup the wifi, email, apple account, etc on their ios device. I know I've set that up for more than half the people at my work. The same with OSX. There is no such think as an intuitive OS. Everything is learned. Things become intuitive if it is similar to something you already know. Throw a person in front of a macbook without any instruction and see how well they will do. Sure they can click on an icon to launch an app. The same will apply to windows 8. For most users, all you have to do is pin the icons they need on the start screen and let them click away. That is all they need. Microsoft telemetry data showed that users weren't really using the start menu much. They usually had the icons pinned on the desktop or task bar and would launch their apps from there. That hasn't changed in windows 8. You still have a desktop and task bar. They added another location to pin your shortcuts, the start screen. Tell people to use it the same way they used the desktop and your job is done.

Right?! Yet I've encountered some people that seriously think it takes a tech guru to understand. Teaching my wife and grandma Windows 8 was infinitely easier than trying to walk them through previous versions of Windows... and with all the clients I have to work with, "one tap open, one tap back to home" operation is very easy to teach.

Some even came in upset when the 8.1 update 1 automatically put them back on desktop until I showed them how to make it boot to start.

Fully agree, Win8 is awesome, works great, has a some new beneficts for the power users, Start Screen is beautiful, you can use the same system on a desktop PC and on a Tablet, etc.

Probably not me seeing as I'm still using Windows 7. I tried W8 when choosing a laptop but didn't really like it as a desktop solution.

You're probably right but us old'uns get stuck in our ways. Next time I get a new PC or laptop I will have no choice but to go with whatever is current.

I hope the old start menu is an option we can turn off. I'm used to not having it now an when I use windows 7 it seems clunky and out of date.

Yes, because Mac will offer you your tiles... Anyway it's called Start Screen, not Home Screen. There's even a big label on top left, so you wouldn't forget... Tiles aren't going anywhere. They will be part of Mini-Start and they will be part of full-screen start, if you chose to enable it.

And enabling it will probably be hidden again in some settings menu that can only be found by advanced users. That is the sad thing, all regular users are brought back to that ugly shit.

W9 will overshadow iphone for sure. At least outside of the US. Like to see it happen. Just 1 hour later :)

Desktop lovers will love Windows 9 because it will boot directly to the desktop automatically when it senses you do not have a touch screen and use only mouse and keyboard. no more charms, start button returns, you can have more than one desktop screen,. Windows 8/ 8.1 lovers will like the fact that Modern UI apps can be put in the desktop is a smaller Window in windows 9. Cortina will be on the desktop. Windows 9
will make Windows 8/ 8.1 look primative

Change with things. Of everyone really accepted metro UI then windows 8 had been a revolutionary operating system and not a 15% market share operating system. This time we have two main things to do

Get XP away from users
Get windows 7 away too otherwise it would be another XP

And eventually love windows 9.

I want to upgrade my PC to Windows 8(from Windows 7) but now I'm looking forward to surface pro 3 but also it sends impossible for it to be launched in India by spring 2015.... And will upgrade my PC directly to Windows 9........And have Lumia 625...

Does this mean that I should probably wait for the next surface that will come out with windows 9 or should I just stick with buying a surface pro 3 . Im so confused

This couldn't come sooner, as Windows 8 is tainted by misconception and MS is partially at fault as they offered no tutorials or guidance with the initial 8.0 release.

Yall just whine too much most complain because its different than what they are use to, u have to learn something anytime u first use anything

No, it doesn't. Enough with the "One" brandings. Everyone is going that, it's anything but original.

What are some people so bothered by having or not having the start menu? Or tiles? Or... ?

I use OSX, Windows and Ubuntu ... not one is perfect and certainly not enough to be bothered by little things. 

Even though I like 8.1 as it is, if they are planning to bring the start menu back, now is the time. Release the new menu with the first copy so that people don't make up their mind against it right from the beginning, like they did with W8.

I think too that they need to redesign all icons. There're icons from Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8 Metro style, all on the same system. It's very ugly. For example, the search metro icon is unbelievable terrible. Looks like it was made using the paint app. Please, MS, redesign all the icons for just one style.

As long as Windows 9 brings the start menus back and backs away from the horrible modern UI, I'll be fine. Ideally Windows 9 should be exactly like Windows 7 (bring back Aero!) but with the added integration of OneDrive.

What's the problem with the Start Screen really? I don't get it, I feel people are just too attached to the Start Menu and being closed-minded.

It has the same functionality as the Start Menu. You tap the Windows key and start typing, just like before. You can pin your most used stuff, just like before. But also has the benefit of working well both on tablets and desktop PCs and live tiles look pretty cool.

My guess is that windows 9 will allow pinning of live tiles to the desktop itself, especially useful for the interactive live tiles we have seen demoed by MS.  This in addition to the new start menu with its tileification.  That being said, Surface Pro 3 user here, and OG Surface RT.....8.1 has come a long way since the launch of Surface RT - I loved it at first, even with its quirks.....it just needed apps.......now that it has a lot of them, I found myself wanting more, and the fact that my Laptop is 5 years old left me with a decision.  I decided to get the SP3 to act as my "do it all" device.  Its my main computer, it also comes with me to work every day, acts as my notepad, my desktop, etc.  I am an Architect, and being able to open files real-time with native software, and the pen input for marking up pdf's, and drawing, etc......its the new "holy grail" of computing. 

I like the start screen a lot, I don't care for a start menu coming back. Though they should be the option for both so (closed-minded) people can choose. Also is too soon to release a new Windows OS, this isn't FIFA or COD, hopefully is a free upgrade like 8.1.

I doubt it's real logo. It's too ugly. It doesn't look like "windows", it's rather skyscraper to be demolished.


I hope they evolve the modern UI, especially for tablet and windows phone. Desktop should gets its own environment but keep what makes the unified store unique.