Microsoft's Windows Phone platform, and its Lumia phones, may have been bested only by Apple and Samsung in holiday sales. According to a new research report, during the week of December 19-25, new activations of those phones accounted for 5.8% of all smartphones worldwide, placing Microsoft in third place ahead of every other smartphone maker aside from Apple and Samsung.
The report comes from Flurry, which got its information based on the over 600,000 apps that it tracks with its analytics services. Apple's devices were first with 51.3% and Samsung's products came in second with 17.7%. Microsoft's Lumia phones were ahead of companies like Sony, which had 1.6% for fourth place, and LG with 1.4%. Flurry added:
"Up-and-comers Xiaomi, Huawei, and HTC all had less than one percent share on Christmas Day. One reason is surely their popularity in Asian markets where December 25th is not the biggest gift-giving day of the year."
The report doesn't state what specific Lumia devices were being activated the most during Christmas week. Hopefully we will learn more when Microsoft reveals its sales number for its Lumia devices in January as part of its latest quarterly financial results.
Source: Flurry
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good news but the question is to know how far is lumia away from the second place
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The deals on the ATT 635 were too good to pass up. I ended up buying one to tryout 8.1. I decied to use the 635 as a Zune for my house and when my other phones are charging. I just got it unlocked so I will use it as my vacation phone also. I was going to buy a 530 during Christmas for my Mother as a backup for her 521 but deiced not to. I was going to use on my line to test out Windows. I just ended up getting a 810 and now I have two Windows phones now.
Nokia made excellent phones or else Microsoft would not have bought their devices division . If only WP OS could become as popular as Android or at least IOS, I believe Nokia would launch some Windows phone in 2016 or 2017 when they are allowed to do so .
Will this work on Windows phone? Can we get a jailbreak up in here?
Love my new Lumia 1020! Microsoft has a long way to go to catch up to Apple, but it'll happen. Prepare to be amazed by Windows 10
How is the "only" relevant in that article title?
I wonder if people in the US will ever get off the Apple bandwagon
As soon as when the US is finally free from the providers locks, iphone market share will drop hard. Like it has worldwide ~11%. Because then they know how much they actually paid. The rest of the World allready knows. That why Android dominates the smartphone world.
Lumia only bested by Apple and Samsung = There's sand on the beach today
This proves that WP is still plodding along. And that is good because it means it resisted the onslaught of the giant iPhones. But if I were Google I would be a little concerned. If its best OEM, Samsung, could only muster 17% share, that means Android lost a lot of ground to iOS. But then, a pre-iPhone 6/6+ survey indicated as much, that Android would lose way more sales to iPhone 6/6+ than WP. And by the way, where is Blackberry in all that data?!!
Decisions like removing the camera button off their own low end devices and pricing the 83x outside reality has me looking at the iPhone 6. Lack of Media Center in 10 has me looking at OSX. Way to go MS.
This is so dumb that I am almost at a loss for words. So no camera button on the cheap Lumias is making you look at the most expensive phone on the market instead of the 830 or better. Also, Windows without media center, but still with the richest software library, is making you look at a new computer(OSX only runs on Macs) that has no where as many options to replace media center as Windows does. Man, you win at the twisted mental gymnastics Olympics!!!
Yeah, If I had to do it again I would choose the iPhone. 9 months and counting Verizon wireless.
Gave my son L535, he is Android all in till now
I said, if you like this one you are gone love the next one when it's a high end model
So far , he likes it ; )
changed to L830 myself
The figures are extremely promising, as they are only for Lumia devices, and not windows phone or windows 8.1 overall. Also I recently bought a £70 windows tablet that massively outperforms android ones for more money, in every respect, accept battery life... I feel many people will pick them up. Even more so when windows 10 comes out :)
Ms surface, Ms band, Ms windows 10 and cloud, servers and now somehow Ms windows phone! Ms is a giant tech beast!
I would take these numbers with a grain (or buckets) of salt. Apple has a 15-20% global marketshare and now suddenly 51%?! This must be heavily skewed to the US. having said that, almost 6% in the US would be pretty awsome for MS.
This includes iPad & iPhone? Tablets for all the others too? Wish they'd split out tablets and Symbian phones...
That's the good thing but product service should be effective
Bested "only" by Apple and Samsung.. No ish, Sherlock. How is that news? Sure, beating Sony or other stagnating OEMs might be cause for celebration but considering the circumstances and the overall share, this really isn't news per se.
I wonder if any of those Microsoft/Nokia phones counted are Nokia X phones, or if Ashas get counted in this.
Soon ms too will be competing with android in market share
Yeah
Most people I speak with don't know Microsoft have a phone platform until I show them mine.
I will be very interested to see the break down of these MS figures by country, I will be very surprised if MS aren't a few points above 10% in the UK now.
And I will also be surprised if the 735 and 830 aren't among the individual phone top sellers within that Lumia pie.
I should learn to skip the comments section. People here feel the need to urinate on any hint of good news. What a sad (and vocal) segment of iEnvious complainers we have.
I bet it's the Lumia 635 doing all the sales. They were cheap and available on many carriers.
If only they would sell them... Ordered a 1020 on November 29th, to replace the 1020 of my wife which had a shattered screen. The phone never showed up. Several emails, chats and escalations later MSFT store told me that they don't have them anymore on December 23rd. So I got a refund and my wife went with an iPhone. Today, the phone is back in stock at the store. I am not buying from the MSFT store again.
Ooooookkkkkkay
Windows phone is dead.
If you go to the source article, they say Nokia has 5.8%. I think that would include even non-Lumia, even those that might run Symbian or Android. It'll be nice if that really is all Lumia phones though. The fact they came in above Sony, HTC, and LG, some big names over the last year I think says something.
Symbian phones have not been sold since over a year now and Nokia's android phones are also sold in limited markets, have sold poorly and there have not been any releases for months now. So almost all of those are Lumias.
I think the big question is this: App$e includes iPhones and ipads... Samsung includes Phones and Tablets I assume... Lumia is only phones... So what is the numbers with respect to just phones??? And for that matter there where a hell of a lot of Windows tablets inboxes this Christmas.... What were thier numbers like?
So this only demostrates that Rich people feel compassion towards "poor people" and gives them an article that they "really need"... an Apple device. (satire heavily implied)
Seriously, who cares if Apple made another million dollars on holiday' sales thanks to their sheep fanboys? I gave myself a brand new AT&T Lumia 920(thanks to my savings) and changed the ROM to Rogers(AT&T ROM sucks), and now I'm really happy and satified with my gift...
Did I thought about buying a Samesung or CrApple device? HELL NO!
Besides, the lack of a flagship device is not that hurtful since most of WP sales are from cheap devices, and frankly, we don't have a journalist's paycheck(ZDNet, The Verge, The WSJ and other online journalists...) to afford a brand new flagship Lumia or Android or iDevice...
Contrary to what some people claim, most WP sales are not from flagship, but from the rest of WP devices... And for their(missing) information, we HAVE several flagship devices:
Nokia Lumia 830
Nokia Lumia 920
Nokia Lumia 925
Nokia Lumia 928
Nokia Lumia 930
Nokia Lumia 1020
Nokia Lumia 1520
Nokia Lumia Icon
HTC One M8
If you want one of them. What's stopping you? And not to mention the ones that receive the Denim FW upgrade... Flagship is turned up to ELEVEN!
Resuming:We have flagships, we don't have the paycheck of an iSheep(we buy what we can afford) and HAPPY HOLIDAYS to everyone... Specially the ones who celebrate Kwanzaa!!!
Activated an unlocked 930 on at&t myself! Loving it so far. It's got it's quirks, but it is superior to my old 920 in many ways.
Owww In the Philippines, December 25 is the day when gifts were given the most, next to birthdays.
So on other note, more than half of the smartphones activated during Christmas holidays were iPhones, so not having latest flagship Windows phones might have done damage to WP platform and helped iPhone sales hypothetically speaking. Correct?
Probably not that much of one, maybe a percentage point or two, realistically speaking.
What probably did it was Apple finally giving people a big screen iPhone and Samsung's S5 getting pretty lukewarm responses from people. (Notice just how many promotions featured free with contract or severely discounted Galaxy S5's.) Since Apple and Samsung are the big phone makers in the world, Samsung slipping up would mostly help Apple.
MS will never win marks share without a killer flagship, they are always 3 steps behind the competition. They need a device that can trump both Samsung and Apple in terms of hardware and software. Windows Phone 10 is probably their last chance to do that. If they don't pull out an ace this time I'll be going back to Apple for sure, been on WP since Lumia 920, now on a 930, still hasn't felt worthwhile..
Cant be true. Samsung cant be lower than iphone that much.
Well they could have at least put their percentage in, they worded there way around that..i love Microsoft/Nokia Lumia but at least own you're percentage 2%??
and where you can buy lumia 535, 730, 735 and 830 in USA? not officially sell and chat support microsoft tells you q's look at some retailer that brings uk , europa, after several months that have been submitted and do not reach for Christmas !!
att has the 830
Okay set Nokia blah blah and Microsoft blah blah aside for a moment. What thus means is that Lumia phone sold in third place... When 10 comes around it will need to be heavily marketed. All I ever see at the cell stores are big App$e iphoney 6 posters... Microsoft has to market directly to the consumer at the store end.
Wow....great headline.
I can't really see the meaning behind this. This would make Lumias just BARELY more-popular around Christmas than the rest of the year. I guess it's a positive, but I'm not sure it's one to write home about. Microsoft has done almost nothing to provide a source of interest among the high-end mobile sctor since becoming a Windows Phone OEM, and it's pretty sad. The margins on the devices they sold are likely pretty low, and while it might get them into the discussion for future purchases with those customers, Microsoft also has to provide a reason to upgrade and continue to stick with the platform. So far, unless you want a low-end device, that incentive's just not there.
Had friends tell me that their 14 yr old son specifically requested a WP for Christmas. They are on Cricket Wireless, so the choices were the 635 (free) or 1320 ($200). I showed them my extra 635 and they were impressed with it. Haven't heard how it went, but the fact younger individuals (in the US even!) are even mentioning WP is a sign for hope. Awareness is a key first step.
I activated two Lumia 1520's in mid-December.
I also bought two Lumia 520s, but I haven't activated them.
I was at the MS store the other day. I was checking out the HTC M8. While I was playing with it, I noticed someone was looking off my shoulder. This guy had two phones on him. Guess which ones? Yup, an iPhone as his main phone and a Galaxy for Wifi-Calling (iPhone, at least the one he had offers no Wifi Calling is what he said). He was an older gentleman. Seemed a bit interested in the phone and when his son came into the store, he mentioned it, but his son just brushed it off with no interest whatsoever.
Yes very strange my whole family has windows phone after the holidays those 530 are cheap and on every cheap carrier. Even tho I moved to a nexus 6 the other day I with miss my windows device.
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So what was Lumia's share of the pie? Post kind of missed the most crucial bit of data..
"According to a new research report, during the week of December 19-25, new activations of those phones accounted for 5.8% of all smartphones worldwide, placing Microsoft in third place ahead of every other smartphone maker aside from Apple and Samsung."
I suppose the second sentence was wearing camoflage.
i find it sad that half of gifted phones were iPhones.
its a glorified status symbol at this point and i automatically assume you have no idea of smartphones if you wield one around in public
True. Nobody can justify the ridiculous pricing. It only really can happen in such large numbers in the US, a Country with one of World biggest depth. Basically bankrupt. Warren and Bill may have to come to the rescue some day. Look at the Italian. In smartphones the show a lot more common sense.
Well I purchased 3 Lumia 535s ,one for mom and two for workmates,gonna sell my 1020 to friend and purchase Lumia 930 for myself
How are you guys still arguing about microsoft vs nokia after 120 comments? The real news here is that more iphones were activated than Samsungs. Thats HUGE. Global market share of android devices completely dwarf IOS ones thanks to the Galaxy S phones but Apple SMOKED them on Xmas day. The tide may be changing, albeit temporarily. Samsung are so fucked, razor thin margins and now losing market share, factories closing down, employees laid off, they surely can't come back from here. Technology differentiation has hit the wall and Samsung are out of ideas of what they can do without owning or influencing the direction of the OS
This is US only... Samsung still outsells Apple worldwide
Quick, somebody tell SnapChat!
Lol
Also Tinder!
Christmas brought me a brand new 1520, to my mom a 530, to my nice also a 530. I work at a retail store from a local operator, and I have to say, the most selled phone was Lumia 530, ahead by a lot of android (ios sold the same as last year). The phone sold out 4 times... One thing I saw is that a lot of teenagers wanted wp specifically, my nice which is 12 years old, said to me that all of her friends have WP. She traded her android for the Lumia. It was a good Christmas for WP...
Are you in Portugal? I am, I have an Ativ S but already converted my mom to Lumia 520 and friend to Lumia 535. Here in Portugal I notice much more ads in television of Lumias compared to last year.
Good, at least a little growth
YEA! FLAGSHIP, confirmed.
Yes, and i have the Nokia Lumia Superman 735 at This time.
Sad. Only if Nokia resisted one more winter it would have seen so much positive press.
This is like being awesome @ the special olympics......
Blade runner bitch... Before he murdered.
OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
Ok MS, you got your holiday market share....now please, just release a flagship so I can upgrade my slow-ass 1020!
Very encouraging news. Are we approaching the critical mass yet where developers start to take Windows Phone seriously?
Far from it. The US market is what drives app development, and in the US market the sales are still abysmal, and market share is still under 3%.
Exactly. MS needs to give the sales reps more commission when selling a Lumia and train them better. Once this happens it may help, this and tons of advertising.
Yup. US is the world. As stupid as it may seem, it's true.
Indeed. I'm in the USA. The 1 billion+ apps for India and Europe do me no good.
Is important to note that those are activations ON christmas day, and only in US
iPhone is one of the few phones that came unlocked and the user activate the device in home, during christmas day, a lot of other devices are activated by the carrier or the seller when you buy the phones (usually days or weeks before christmas and not ON christmas day)
So... this numbers tell us nothing but apple's activation system is different
If they could count the number of activations worldwide during the whole month (december) or even better in the Q4 of the year, THAT would be a lot more interesting
Did you not read the article? It stated very clearly multiple times that this was activations between 19-25 of December, not only Christmas Day.
it's not enough, I buy my windows phones for presents at the end of november so...
No wonder, with prices for the 530 around 70 Euro, the 535 for around 110 Euro and the 630 for under 100 Euro (including tax and shipping) without contract here in Germany, those devices are a much better choice for people not wanting to or beeing able to spend a fortune for their devices. Compared to Android devices in the same price range the Lumias run much smoother and feel more complete. They would even sell better if sales people would be better trained (and/or paid better to steer people to Nokia/MS devices).
Who else is going to beat them aside from apple and Samsung?
htc,sony,lg a lot of big players and ms outdid those 3 big boys on it first christmas period. it is actuaslly a big deal especially when only have 3 new phones a low end, a low-mid range and a midrange device.
HTC sells like a half of what MS sells, and Sony a fraction more. Total WP sales > total Sony sales.
It's known for a fact that last quarter Lumias sold more than the Xperias.
5.8% with that huge smartphone portfolio ? Pfff. Hope they improve that a LOT next Xmas.
What huge portfolio. This is late 2014....not 2013. The present portfolio is smaller than last years.
Ok, but, at least here in south america, many of the 'last year' phones are doing well at stores. I.e. 520 and 720. The 930 just arrived, btw.
What's new?
Bested?
Woot
So.this is saying that Microsoft has done third best in the sales behind Samsung and apple. Why bother writing this article ??
Because its Microsoft's first Christmas period on the market.
Eww,, a Christmas period.
So make use of your (i) pad...
Look at it from another point of view. Apple is iOS. Samsung is Android. Third place is Windows Phone which is a good thing because it shows there is growth in the WP ecosystem while the only company really making money on Android is Samsung. Sony and LG have been making Android phones for a while now and MS still beat them.
Until MS start putting out upto date apps like its competitors.. MS wont go up in The ladder...
Like what apps?
Like instagram, twitter, ESPN, card and bank apps. No Starbucks app, we get updates much later than IOS or Android. Also most ads show their ago for IOS and Android which give people the idea it isn't available on WP. That's the beginning.....
Sbux is better anyway...my android bank is a web wrapper, I got ESPN, twitter is there and serves its function. 6tag is king.
But for an average user coming from IOS or Android buying a WP expects the apps to be the same, when they see that they are not they return the phone.
As a WP user, damo is spot on. MS fanboys, and I am one of them, need to realize homebrews are 99% trash because of the way the orgs set up their sites. Users was simplicity...and homebrews are not it. Native apps are what people want...not links via IE.
"Also most ads show their ago for IOS and Android which give people the idea it isn't available on WP" --- Bingo! Even if there is an app there is generally no mention of it in ads.
Although the other day I was walking thru Home Depot and the overhead announcement was pushing thier app saying that it was availble for iOS, Windows Phone, and Android - in that order
They can start with the bank apps. There's no getting around that. MS can fix this if they put some serious effort into it. They have the means. Yah, I get tired of the ads always saying "available for iPhone and Android". Fix it! I don't need a lot of apps but I do need what I need if you know what I mean. I love Windows Phone OS but they need to step it up and put the metal to the pedal.
Google apps, official Snapchat, etc. Updated social apps like Twitter, Instagram among others. GP have this general notion WP lacks apps. This should bethe main focus of MS when they market Windows 10 for Phone, tablet, etc.
Just wana know how the hell do people adore Apple ! Its full of crap and too much money for a stupid handset !
Propaganda, my friend. Apple is the modern example of the powers of propaganda over the masses.
It always drive me crazy though if any company would be better than Nokia and its Lumias i would say it would be either sony or Htc .. But Apple ! Naaah .. You have a point though
+830. Here in the USA it's totally keeping up with the Jones mentality. Also while follows no one wants to be different.
Apples propaganda makes Goebbels look shitty.
So if hitler had been able to hire Jobs and Cook then, he would be king of the world now? Scary thought.
..and owner of Apple :O
Apple is like a cult (I don't really remember where I read it) those people are willing to die for it.
Well, I think I know whose websites adore Apple so much
That's a ridiculously biased comment, and you out to be ashamed of yourself...
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The iPhone 4, 5, and 6 are terrific products... Actually better built than our Lumia's in some aspects... Have you actually held a iP6?
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Although I love Lumia I have to admit that Apple makes some of the best products money can buy
Yep. Couldn't wait for Nokia N1 or Microsoft to release a new small tablet so I bought an iPad mini with retina display. I save the photos I take with my Lumia 1020 in my iPad. I enjoy it and it's worth the purchase
Smart move... And, they still don't have a Surface mini... Look how long you would've been waiting..
Hell no. 600-1000 Dollars or Euros for a phone is ridiculous pricing for phones in 2015. For any phone. Frankly only in the US people are still ignorant in masses to pay so much for a phone. For whatever reason. Probably because the provider lock in and the seemly cheaper phones. Fooling themselves.
Last week a collegue showed up with an iphone6plus and he really was the laughing stock. Being the dumbass to buy such an expensive phone. 300-400 Euro phones can do the same and more. Was pretty amusing to see. He'll probably sell it. LOL.
''Frankly only in the US people are still ignorant in masses to pay so much for a phone''
and in Greece too..
..frankly, all over the world.
A lot of people also wrongfully believe they are crap.
This report doesn't necessarily mean much sales-wise, but it shows iPhone users download more apps than others.
Anyways, 17.7% is still a great score for Microsoft.
17.7% is Samsung. Microsoft only got close to 6%
17.7 was Samsung's number, not Microsoft. That was 5.8. Still respectable, though, considering how big Samsung is on the Android market.
The rounded edges and colors are cool
"Microsoft's Lumia phones were ahead"
No.
Nokia Lumia phones were ahead. Unless, of course, this "study" focus only on the only Microsoft Lumia on the market - the 535 - which is only now becoming more widely available.
I'm still waiting to see how well Lumia sales will go once there are no more Nokia-branded Lumias on the market.
Still, I saw some agressive sale campaigns for Nokia Lumia devices this Christmas. Over here, for example, Fnac (a huge retailer) is offering the Xbox One + GTA V + Nokia 530 for only 375€. Carriers were also stocking the 530 and 630 for the holidays at low prices.
However, I also noted that only low end WP devices were pushed alongside a plethora of Same-sungs and the iPhone 6. No mentions of the 730, 830 or 930 anywere.
Nokia is no more though, so it is officially Microsoft who gets the statistics. They manufacture and distribute all the phones.
Still, the people buy the phones on the Nokia branding, not on them being made for Microsoft. It's the Nokia brand people see on the phones, not Microsoft's. Therefore, while it's Microsoft that gets the statistics, you can't assume it's the Microsoft brand that's selling the phones. Because it isn't unless, again, you only study sales of the only Microsoft Lumia device available, the 535.
Considering Nokia is highly irrelevant in the U.S., whether the phone is branded Microsoft or Nokia, it doesn't matter. So any high sales in the us for whatever model is good...nokia or Microsoft branded phones.
As far as the rest of the world, again aside from Indian countries and a few places in Europe, I seriously doubt the Nokia brand is what has driven the sales as much as you like to claim. And most promos I've seen globally have marketed it as the Lumia xxx not Nokia Lumia anyway. Nokia Lumia is Microsoft Lumia and from what I can see, the sales are doing just fine with the Lumia 630/635, 530, etc etc
Few points:
- The US market is irrelevant. Specially when it comes to WP devices. This article talks about worldwide sales and I'm ready to bet you that the US is not even among the first 10 countries where WP devices sold more.
- "As far as the rest of the world, again aside from Indian countries and a few places in Europe, I seriously doubt the Nokia brand is what has driven the sales as much as you like to claim."
This is your problem. You don't really grasp the extent of the Nokia brand power. It's not "few places in Europe". It's almost all of Europe.
Again, as I said on my comment, we shall see once there are no more Nokia-branded Lumias on the market how well sales will go.
- "Most promos I've seen globally have marketed it as the Lumia xxx not Nokia Lumia anyway."
Seldom promos are being made by Microsoft. Yes, Microsoft promos only refer to them as "Lumia". But store promos etc all mention Nokia.
Also, WP doesn't have many Microsoft ads airing outside the US and UK.
- "Nokia Lumia is Microsoft Lumia and from what I can see, the sales are doing just fine with the Lumia 630/635, 530, etc etc".
No. Nokia Lumias are Nokia Lumias. There's only one Microsoft Lumia. People that see the 630/530/830 etc don't think of the phones as "Microsoft Lumia". They see them as Nokia phones. Period. You may wish this wasn't true, but sorry, that's how it is. When people go to the stores, it's the Nokia brand they see on the phones and the promos, not Microsoft's.
Therefore you can only, again, judge sales of "Microsoft Lumia" devices once there are no more Nokia Lumia devices or the number of Microsoft Lumia devices exceeds the number of Nokia Lumia devices.
Nokia is somewhat popular in southern Europe (where no one has any money these days anyway) and in Finland. To say almost all of Europe is stretching it a bit, really.
Dcjbs, you are always full of MS hate.
I think you don't grasp the concept that in most places...Nokia is not quite as relevant as you truly believe they are. It's a iPhone/Samsung world these days and while Nokia still has relevance in emerging markets, even there, they are begnning to not be relevant.
The Lumia 830 is a 'Nokia Lumia' that has now been manufactured by Microsoft. It is a Microsoft Lumia regardless of what Name comes before the word Lumia. The only people who see them as NOKIA only phones are people such as yourself who are deluded in the fact that a Nokia lumia 830 is not a Microsoft Lumia. They can change the name of the phone now, if they wanted, and guess what? It'll still be the same exact phone.
Lumia fans are here for Lumia...Whether it is made by Nokia, Microsoft, Samsung, That man down the street who makes it from the basement of his mom's house or whomever. Give me my amazing Lumia Apps, Give me my Amazing Camera Quality and continue giving me priority over the other windows phone. I am a LUMIA fan....Regardless of whose name is in front of it.
If a Toyota Corolla comes out of the factory with a Lexus badge on it, is it a Lexus or a Toyota? This is pretty much the same scenario... For insurance, registration and end user perception purposes, it's a Lexus. All Lumia phones with the exception of the 535 are Nokia phones for the same reasons. It's not a Foxconn iPhone, nor a Sony iPhone because of the camera hardware. It's an Apple iPhone because that is how it's badged and branded to the consumer. As far as the whole brand recognition thing in the UK goes... I'd guess that over 80% of people have either had direct experience of owning a Nokia device themselves, or know someone close to them that has at some point in the past... Obviously it's nothing like that today, and I can't comment on what that experience was like for those people, I'm simply pointing out that, to all intents and purposes, 'everyone' over here knows the name Nokia, and knows it's synonymous with mobile telephony.
The U.S. Is Windows Phones largest market. Do a freaking search.
based on what parameter? Absolute number of units or market share?...
Do the search like he said.
Are you replying to me? If so you may want to do some researches.... In absolute number of units the US is the biggest market for WP, in market share... definetely not. A very basic knowledge of Statistic and Business economics will allow you to understand the relevance of the question.
The US is an irrelevent market? That's where the most WP's are sold despite the low market share.
The Nokia brand might carry some weight in Africa and India where they sold a lot of dirt cheap feature phones, but it has been a pretty much dead brand for nearly 10 years in the developed world where people prefer high end devices. I can easily go well over a month before I see a single person with a Lumia on the streets of Stockholm, they are exceptionally rare here. Even the Romanian gypsies begging in the streets have iPhones or Samsung.
So still WP market share is in 2nd place in India. There are no of local apps are available then any other countries! India is the 3rd Biggest smartphone market, which is higher then your so called developed world! Indians still prefer lumia, don`t care about nokia branding.
Ever wondered how they got that iPhones? :P
Am seeing more Microsoft Lumia 535 near my locality while traveling in bus.... Most of people are buying it. And surely 535 had played much better role similar to 520. Hope everything comes good for Windowsphones.
If Microsoft avoids lack of devices then Windowsphone would reach much greater than now..... Just look at HTC lineups in Android
Where do you live? I usually never see windows phones
Where are ye damn it? Riding a bus, must be India.
Don't be ignorant Peg Leg. People ride the bus everywhere. They may in fact be Indian, but there's no reason to assume it. It's also completely irrelevant.
Look at the name. Ignorant, it's what I do.
We need a big time flagship phone. Something that would put everything to rest!!
Releasing a flagship when there is no new hardware available?
The samsung note 4 has a really nice radio. Also the snapdragon 810 is faster and uses less power. The radio would be the biggest difference, but the processor would be nice. Also adding a stylus to the 1520 would be nice too.
seems for some reason the 1520 has reached the end of the line, with nobody restocking. the 1020 has reached that already with no new stock. Hopefully this means we will see a couple new phones around march time with gdr2, the 1330 and hopefully a big boys toy too.
The hardware would have to be available in order to release the flagship.
Exactly, something like an SP3 in a phone. Lol.
Or a handheld Xbox lol!
Poor marketing & when you try buying from online store they inform you that you have to be in the USA...JOKE THING
Who cares I know who's side I'm on
Whatever makes you feel better MS...
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I hope they seriously ramp up development, and production, and I'm sure they will, but until then they need to try harder, and harder, to flood the market..
More users means more attention. More attention means more development. More development means more features. Microsoft HAS to make money first or they'll go the Blackberry-way.
More features means more users! And the circle of life continues
More features doesn't mean more shit if nobody knows about them....
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Marketing a terrific product to hell means more users... No matter how good a product is it isn't going to sell if it's tossed aside by stores, and marketing isn't getting the average consumer's attention... These are all MS's issues to solve.. MS is the only one that can make it happen....
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If being a good product, and having more features, made for a successful product, then WP8.1 should've doubled WP's market share... But, it doesn't work that way, and that's wishful thinking.... The reality is that relative to its competition WP has failed, even with a very good experience for those who have been open minded enough to give it a chance.... Like I said, the only way MS will get taken seriously, or anywhere with WP, is to hit it up from every angle 200% harder than ever before.... And, you better believe that, my friends❗❗❗❗❗❗
Rod. It's my guess that MS are going to market the hell out of MICROSOFT Lumias... They want people to forget about Nokia asap....
Lol! I hope you're right.
Actually, I think its the other way around. More users = more useless features. I'm ok with ms having a small niche market. When ms starts focusing on features like IR for tv ill revert back to a flip phone.
I say they should focus on app\os optimization, new battery technology, ECT....
Untill then, new features will be gimmicky and only used for sales promotion.
I see your point... I think WP is to a point where feature set isn't a serious issue anymore... Refinement, and innovation, are critical... Apple doesn't do a lot of crazy things, and they are always making strides... But, features aren't bad, nothing wrong with IR blasters... And, like I said, MS needs to do EVERYTHING better, faster, and at a higher rate, to finally get somewhere...
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At this point I wouldn't disagree with anyone's ideas because WP could use a lot of everything in one way or another.
MS is focusing on apps. Windows 10 should dramatically improve the WP app ecosystem because it will be the WinTel x86 ecosystem.
Either way they need to make it happen by doing much more of everything... They need to hit every angle much harder than in previous years, especially with W10... Marketing is critical, and it's time, or been past time, they finally get it right for phone... I know they can do it because they have done a great job with Surface, and Xbox... IOW, MS needs to give WP the same amount of attention as XB, and Surface... It just has to happen this coming year, or nobody will ever have faith in WP going forward... 2015, and W10, is really MS's last chance to be taken seriously in mobile...
Agreed. I'm hoping that with Windows 10, "this time it will be different." At the same time, not holding my breath...
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My ex girlfriend (who I'm still friends with) just activated a Lumia 830 to match mine! Lol
That's dangerous, pal.
Lol especially because he needed to make a note of it for justification. Tread lightly sir.
LOL
Ahahah
I know this guy IRL.
S'all cool.
We're a mismatched collection.
Are you the ex?
Now that she has a Lumia 830 she'll learn how to use it, making it a lot easier for her to go through your phone! My advice use a different phone OS from your (ex) lady. The more ignorant she is to your device, the better.
I predict the two of you will get back together.
Hey Cortana, remind me to buy flowers from nearest supermarket, for my ex girlfriend in hopes of getting back together!
MS Lumia with Windows Phone 10
Lol❗ Yes, that's what we're all waiting for.
Not gonna make a fuckin difference except to people like us. People are entrenched. Anybody learn any marketing...rod, don't get started.
Lol.. Too late.
You all said that when you were waiting for 8 then 8.1. No one cares.
If Samsung really only managed 17.7, Microsoft's 5.8 is pretty respectable.
I guess these numbers include ipads and other tablets, wich is lowering MS numbers A LOT.
Sales ??' that is activations on one single day!!!
It says Dec. 19-25.
Actually it's "activations worldwide Flurry recognized in the week leading up to and including Christmas Day (December 19th - 25th)." So more than one day.
If true and fully accurate of the real picture (which I hope), then the Huawei CEO can do himself a favour and find a sock, and then, stuff it down his pipe
True true, Windows Phones don't sell my derriere.
True indeed.
If they did, they'd be writing cheques your derriere can't cash.
There's a difference between selling many phones and making money out of them. NO company makes money on low end devices. Every low end device is sold at a loss. That's why Apple doesn't do a cheap-iPhone (even though, objectively, an iPhone is a mid-range device).
When Huawei CEO says that no one makes money on WP, he's not wrong. For anyone to make money on WP they would have to sell high end devices a hell of a lot more than they do. And I think you can count with the fingers on your right hand the number of WP flagships.
Tell that to Android manufacturers too... Android has a lower price per unit sold.
Android manufacturers are quite aware of that ;) Why do you think every Android OEM has a flagship (or more than one)? Also, if you notice, Android OEMs only promote their flagships. Samsung promoted the Note ans S5, Sony the Z3 line, HTC the M8, LG the LG G3 etc.
Samsung's profits don't come from their cheap phones. They come from the Notes and S's they sell. Sony's profits only come from their Z line (which is why they're reestructuring their low end offerings and considering simple elimination of that category).
Microsoft on the other hand is only focusing on, producing and promoting low end devices.
Promoting the flagship gets folks to recognize the cheap shit. Doesn't matter how crappy a cheap samsung phone can be. As long as it has a galaxy moniker on it, buyers will think they're getting quality product at a great price. I think this is where MS fails on marketing. Marketing doesn't mean MS does all by themselves. The tech bloggers, industry analysts, and consumers must be involved. Right now, the industry and WP enthusiasts are crying out for three flagship replacements: L920, 1020, and 1520. Get these folks to talk positive about Lumias and the rest is history. And I hope they got rid of the guy who started the scroogle campaign. Just more ammunition for google not to support WP.
Well yeah the 920 and 1020 need replacements but the 1520 is fine
Android OEMs only promote their flagships.
Right.
And the carriers advertise the low end, because it gives them a higher ARPU with lower risk than maintaining the loan for the life of the contract.
I'm sure HTC and Samsung don't lose on their phones especially the m8 since it is essentially the same exact hardware instead of a complete design to the android version.
Oh they do, believe me, they do. HTC loses because they don't really promote any of their phones. Also, the M8 for Windows is only available in the US, a market that's a duopoly of Apple/Samsung.
Samsung makes profits on their high end devices. Their low end devices are sold at a loss. Luckily for Samsung, the profits from their high end line are enough to cover the costs of the cheaper phones that they use to entice customers into their brand.
MS actually has a chance to sell its low end devices at break even, or more, if they play their cards right... They have something that other OEM's, besides Apple, don't... Services❗
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MS needs to seriously pull their heads out if their ass, and let the Surface team take over WP.. Lol❗ Right❓
But Apple has iTunes......
They have a really tight ecosystem that a lot of people love.. That's a huge selling point...
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Unbiased⬆
Windows on phones doesn't need to be profitable right now, it needs market share, and I think MS realizes this right now and is willing to go profit free for the short term.
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