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Battery life for Windows 10 on ARM devices said to be ridiculously good

Perhaps most promising for the prospects of Windows 10 on ARM devices is that we can probably expect them to have fantastic battery life. According to French blog FrAndroid, Executive Vice President of Qualcomm Technologies Cristiano Amon confirmed at the company's recent 4G/5G Summit in Hong Kong that users can expect to go multiple days between charges.

Specifically, Amon said, Windows 10 on ARM devices can expect up to an absurd 29 hours of streaming Netflix, or around 18 hours with mixed device usage. Standby time should be similarly excellent, with devices able to go multiple days between charges with intermittent use. That's a massive jump over most Intel-based devices if proven accurate, measuring triple-digit growth in some cases. That comes largely down to a combination of lower power-consumption ARM processors and the physical properties of the devices, which will sport smaller motherboards. That will allow for both thinner devices and larger batteries.

Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 Board

Aside from battery life, Amon also revealed a couple of interesting tidbits concerning manufacturers and potential new Snapdragon chips. Microsoft made very clear when it introduced Windows 10 on ARM, that it was specifically designed to work with the Snapdragon 835, a processor built with smartphones in mind. Down the road, Amon said, we could see Qualcomm develop chips build specifically for Windows 10 on ARM, with better graphics and memory bandwidth.

We're expecting to see Microsoft's typical hardware partners in the PC space, like ASUS, HP, and Lenovo, release devices first. However, according to Qualcomm, the introduction of Windows 10 on ARM will likely draw new manufacturers to the PC market from mobile. Some of the larger manufacturers like Samsung and Huawei already have a lineup of PCs available, but we could see a currently mobile-only company like HTC enter the space, for example.

Aside from longer battery life, we can likely expect devices to benefit from instant-on capabilities and sport always-on LTE connections. There are still a lot of unknowns, including a potential release date for the first devices. And we'll want to see Qualcomm's battery life claims in action. Still, getting full Windows 10 to run on ARM processors is certainly a significant achievement, and it will be an interesting space to watch.

HP, Lenovo and ASUS aim to release first Snapdragon 835 Windows 10 PCs

Dan Thorp-Lancaster is the Editor in Chief for Windows Central. He began working with Windows Central as a news writer in 2014 and is obsessed with tech of all sorts. You can follow Dan on Twitter @DthorpL and Instagram @heyitsdtl. Got a hot tip? Send it to daniel.thorp-lancaster@futurenet.com.

148 Comments
  • Cool!
    Hopefully MS break Its silence next month and also reveals the surface fold....🤞🏻
  • can we please get the option to delete our comments?
  • Lol.. Yeah right. 😂😂😂
    Start holding your breath after build 2018... Honestly. So, maybe a leak in, or after, April 2018.
  • Jason Ward......
    "However, according to Qualcomm, the introduction of Windows 10 on ARM will likely draw new manufacturers to the PC market from mobile. Some of the larger manufacturers like Samsung and Huawei already have a lineup of PCs available, but we could see a currently mobile-only company like HTC enter the space, for example."
    ..........
    That says something.
  • I really don't get the fascination with Surface devices, especially mythical ones. Also, if MS keeps the Surface line of products as a high performance premium brand, why would they stick a low power chip in one of their devices? Even if it "folds"
  • You don't care for a small Surface device? WTF does anyone care if you don't? I can tell you right now, I don't give a rats ass if you think one is coming, or not, want one, or not, or if you buy a million of them, or not. You know that's what I want regardless of what you want, so why are you talking to me about your drama?.... What's your point? Are you so lonely that you're looking for me to agree with you? Well, try someone else, because I don't, and probably never will.
    .........
    Keep your issues to yourself... Either buy one, or don't, but shut up about it.. And, if you're so sure nothing is coming then why would you comment about nothing? Stop trolling, and move on to an article, or comment, about something that interest you. End of story.
  • Oh ok
  • Yeah, that's what I thought.
  • You don't think, you're just a thin skinned keyboard warrior who screams at people for some reason about phones. More power to ya.
  • "you don't think you're just thin skinned...."".. Oh, please. Try it with someone else.. Now that you got your feelings hurt I don't want to hear you winning to me about it.
    ......
    That's what happens when you open your mouth about the same old cliché BS you repeat everyday.
    Let me tell you something. When adults are talking, wait your turn to speak... You don't tell people what they should want, desire, need, or spend their money on, child. I'm not sure who you think you are to even open your mouth about what anyone wants in the first place. Why does that concern you?... Thin skinned? You can't sleep at night because a few people want an Ultramoble Surface device? Thin skinned? Yeah, you got serious need issues.... Tell me, WTH do you think anyone cares about what YOU want them to buy? Answer that, Mr. consumer reports.
    Answer that right now. What? And, don't give me any of that "you're not being nice" drama. SMDH If you're gonna talk with men, talk with men. Stop bringing people down around here. Damn, son. It's a shame someone you don't even know would have to tell you that........ Now, answer the question.
  • Right... So anyway, my original comment was on the preoccupation with Surface devices. Perhaps I should've been a bit clearer. The article discusses some of the early battery life measurements Qualcomm has made. I don't really understand what that's to do with the surface brand. Why couldn't HP or Lenovo or whoever make the flagship device using this architecture? If it's not Surface it's no good? Also, Microsoft tends to make really expensive, premium grade hardware for their surface line, I don't see how a product whose showcase feature is long battery life fits that mould, but maybe they'll make a follow to the Surface 3 or something similar. Sorry these viewpoints seem to enrage you, perhaps you're just an angry person? Either way, best of luck to you.
  • Who cares?
  • I don't know, I'm guessing you do since you reference staying awake at night, talking with men, consumer reports, telling people what to do, etc. It was a rather wandering reply so I'm not sure exactly what your issue with my original comment was. I thought it was fairly innocuous, you seemed to vehemently disagree.
  • Just leave people alone about what they want. Can you do that? Answer the question without avoiding it this time, and we can be done. C
  • What a strange question. Normally I don't go this far down the rabbit hole with crazy people on the internet, but it's been a slow day at the office. You insinuated yourself into a discussion about Surface branding & what that has to do with the article's topic of battery life & ARM processors. What that has to do with 'leaving people alone about what they want' is beyond me. I'd be ashamed of myself to write what you've vommited up above, perhaps you should stop bothering people who want to use the comment system to discuss the articles on this site?
  • I'm not reading one word of that irrelevant crap.
    ...........
    That's a yes, or no question... Obviously it's a no. So, my advice to you is to save your trolling for someone else. If you see me, ignore me. I'm going to tell you right now, for the fifth time. I don't give a **** about your opinion, I don't want, or need your advice, and I don't mess with pathetic, bored, lonely trolls... Grow up, get a life, and find something that makes you happy. Windows isn't it. Leave the fans of this site alone, and most importantly, be a man, and leave me the **** alone permanently. Last message, and I promise you it's the END OF THIS CONVERSATION.
  • Hmmm. Ok, well, sorry we couldn't seem to resolve what upset you then. Nice chatting with you, take care.
  • @rodneye, I like reading your comments because you seem to really understand what you're saying unlike many peoples here. I can see MS has a bright future, they're in the sector they should be, they do what they should and they don't need all the noises and lights to announce something great, just look at the Surface Book 2 and Mix Reality. And Satya Nadelle did a Geeat Job untill now, if you're so clever try to take his place instead of insulting him. When you understand nothing to business just shup the FxxK up. We have great hardwares that are shaping the future of computing and gaming, they're also shaking Adobe on their gorund, I'm a Photoshop lover, but Adobe has to embrace 3D as soon as they can and make things simpler and cooler, because it's coming. So yes FxxK peoples who don't care go and download your stupid Apps on your phone and you will see some Pokemon like stuffs in your living room or garden and you think it's cool, yeah it's AR from Apple. Yes, I'm the stupid guy waiting for a Windows phone, because I simply understand that iOS and Android are going nowhere, they will last perhaps 3 to 5 years more and asta la vista. Ok some will say Apple and Google can change their OS, those peoples just understand nothing to tech, reprogramming an OS is not so easy and it takes a large amount of time, if they can do so they would do it already. If you think what you've on your phone is largely enough, you understand nothing to evolution and tech changes fast very fast...
  • This is so true. People have no concept of how much work goes into an OS.  Don't forget that Apple's mainstream OSX and Google's Android were NOT designed and build by Apple and Google.  They were acquired by Apple and Google.  The only company I know that designs and builds its own operating systems is Microsoft.
  • Yeah, and those OS's were built on a Windows PC.. 😄😄😄😄
  • Right! Lol😆😆😆😆😆
  • @rodneyj   Wow...someone **** in your cornflakes today...that was brutal even for you!....funny but brutal!
  • Well, Steve... You trolls don't seem to understand. You see things only your way, and don't have enough sense to at least respect other peoples opinions. It's obvious that y'all come here just to be negative, just to be negative.. That's dumb... Like you, for example.... So ****** sure MS isn't working on some type of new Surface device, like you work there. Yeah, nobody knows. But, if someone says that's what they want who TF are you to say anything about that?.... Just keep your mouth shut, be positive, and work with the fans of this site. Just because MS pissed you off means that you're gonna try to annoy fans who are pissed as well?.... That's stupid. That's how pathetic trolls behave.. You better start looking at the big picture, man. Luckily you're not "as bad" as most of these trolls, but sometimes you make me wonder. Just be cool.
  • Yeah I don't know what all that was about. At first I thought maybe it was a translation/non-native English speaker issue because he seemed to have a difficult time expressing himself; then I thought, oh he's actually just internet impaired and can't form thoughts properly. It's definitely one or the other, maybe both? Either way, no big deal, there's room enough for all I suppose.
  • We have to wait to see if this is true sadly
  • Pretty sure that is how all things work in the world. "I hear the new Star Wars film is good." "Sadly, we have to wait to see if this is true."
  • Honestly I'm pretty psyched. Kinda worried the CPU/Snapdragon 835 will bottleneck the experience, even with copious amount of RAMs. Hopefully Windows 10/S ARM64 emulation and codes would optimize it.
  • Compared to the ATOM processor, and all of it's features that are embedded, I can't wait to see what computer manufactures release. Especially for the lower end markets. 
  • "ATOM processor". You have an interesting point and it will be interesting to see how Manufacturers use this processor. It seems the Snapdragon 835 is in line to eat it's lunch for low ended devices.
  • It'll be interesting for sure. At about 5~20% cheaper than the barebones ATOM and with everything including x16 LTE integrated, the sky's the limit for the smaller OEM's. https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/835/
  • I can confirm that this is, in fact, how time works.
  • I as well can confirm this. Source: a person
  • Nope Dan. Usually experimentation is the best way to test a theory and determine truth. Waiting generally doesn't achieve much on its own.
  • Context and subtext lol.
  • lol  unfortunatley time is like that.
  • I am all for an 835 device that's small enough 6-7 inch that's got lte and possible phone support, I'm just saying let's be real here the ridiculous will be very good but not what they are stating!
  • Very cool.
  • Can these be used has a phone?
  • No. Initial devices will be tablet-esque/laptop devices with more traditional form factors.
  • The board area needed would seem to be able to fit in a 6"in form factor though. So a phone-like device would seem doable. No?
  • As long as somebody makes one small enough with lte some of us will be using these as phones. I really miss offline maps, and I don't mind letting Skype handle my messages. 
  • I think it's very possible. 6" or even 5", how hard can it be? And no one's stopping anyone from attaching a microphone on this typpa device.
    Just matter of time imo.
  • I don't believe telephony is built into Windows 10 yet, it'd be data-only for the LTE connections. But of course MS has the know-how to do it from Windows 10 Mobile, so I'd imagine it'll be added in the near future. Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone/Mr. Rubino?
  • @Kryvdynn21; Seemingly, I thought it would be in the Fall Creators Update and should be seemingly ready to go by this time.   
  • And no one's stopping anyone from attaching a microphone on this typpa device.
    All WoA devices should have a microsophone in order to enable Cortana 
  • Anything is doable... But, it has to be case study approved before given the go ahead for production. So, Panos might make a device, but MS might not decide to produce it.....
  • Stuff Panos. As soon as a device of 7 inches appears, someone will get working on a voice app. Voice packages were common in the narrow band modem days. Doubtless the same will happen with these devices.
  • I'd be OK with a 7 inch tablet device to replace my Lumia. That is a fairly common size for Android tablets so doubtless there will be something like that.
  • Not believe until they show or prove because MS lied too much.
  • Again, like others, this is literally how all things work, which is why news sites review products. We all have to wait and see. There's also the question on performance.
  • Dan, outside of the Microsoft fan bubble there's this thing called trust. I know it exists because I read about it in books.
  • With Anti-MS Nutella at the helm, this probably won't happen.  He wants MS to die.
  • No offense, but you sound really crazy. Microsoft is a business. They don't exist just to serve you.
  • That is a nice assumption, the craziness I mean, however they do in fact exist to service customers.  If this guy would stop talking so cryptically and cancelling projects maybe I would think he is better suited for his position.
  • you do realise that under Nadella's leadership Microsoft's value was raised by 200 billion dollars , right ?
  • Maybe he wants them to die from happiness?
  • And you think that market sentiment is based on the future prosperity of a company? Strengthening margins by cutting R&D is a pretty good way to improve short term company results, the longer term health can however be a different story.
  • @Mars2003, the market valuations are not based on current quarter performance, but what analysts forecast for the future. So an increasing market cap equates to a belief that the company is better positioned for growth now than it was before. To be fair, analysts are not looking ahead several years, just 18-36 months, so if your point is just that MS is sarficing its 10-year plan for the next 3 years, it would be harder to find data to support or refute that.
  • Was just going to say the same. Forbes stated +$250 Billion jump in 3.5 years.
  • Alot of us don't like his choices, but can we at least use his real name? Enough with the Nutella garbage. 
  • I know it's super annoying
  • Often people are a bit cautious about saying Beelzebub so I suspect nick names (or is that Old Nick names?) will continue.
  • Utter bollocks, of course he doesn't want MS to die, he simply wants to pivot the business away from consumer and over to cloud and enterprise.
    Whether he's right is a different thing and I think all the anti consumer moves made in the past couple of years will come back to haunt MS.
  • What kinda anti-consumer move?
    Only thing I know is the music subscription business.
    UWP that leads to BC/FC/XPA, free unlimited cross-platform cloud sync, GamePass, C++, C#, open source projects, biggest contributor of GitHub, cross Linux, Visual Studio goes free, free project manager / SVN for small team, dropping WinPhone for win10ARM, AR/MR, IOT, etc. Those are good moves.
  • and free Windows 10 upgrades for life.. Not bad from my point of view. I actually use MS prodcuts and in the last two years alone, MS helped me save thousands in software upgrades and hardware too, if I include my families Office 365 with 1TB each in OneDrive storage. 
  • We (people who really care about Microsoft and have interest in it) are lucky enough there is Nadella there and not some random crazy person like you, who don't understand anything about how the company is really doing.
  • Lol... You're crazy.
  • Over promising. This isn't a good sign.
  • It's Qualcomm reporting results, no over promises. When asked what should he have responded with? "Well, I don't want to give specific hours lest "Bleached" thinks we're overpromising, so we'll just go with 3 hours, max."
  • Microsoft has a history of over promising and under delivering. I am not the only one saying this. Half the comments before mine were basically saying the same thing. Being cautious with any Microsoft product or announcement is not crazy with Microsoft's reputation in 2017.
  • They say that perception is reality and with the sentiment displayed here its clear that MS now faces a stronger headwind in the future as it appears to have alienated much of its former advocate base.
    I'm guessing that MS knew/suspected this would happen and thinks it doesn't matter as they are targeting a different business segment going forward.
  • Well in this case is qualcomm, not Microsoft which is sayng that.
  • It is about a Microsoft product and from their close partner on this project. The outcome is the same.
  • So now Qualcomm falls I to this "history of lying" because they do business with Microsoft? LoLoLoL
  • Are they partnered with Microsoft on this? Is it running Microsoft software?
  • Wouldn't be the first OEM partner MS has mislead.
  • I think this is more, we took a 10.1 inch laptop, put our smaller board in there & then filled up the rest of the chasis with battery & used it in perfect lab conditions. Lenovo has a laptop that gets like 17 hours already, I could imagine something easily getting 20+ hours if engineered to cram in more battery & it uses a low power chip.
  • Like Daniel said... these are Qualcomm's test results and numbers...
  • Ignore trolls.
  • I think it can be safely said that just about all companies over promise.  Battery life of phones and computers are never what is advertised. Neither are fuel economy numbers for cars. Always under, never over. Nor the advertised number of loads on the laundry soap.  all natural ingredients in food (all ingredients were natural at some point so...)  aftermarket bumper to bumper warranties that won't cover the bumpers, or fuses, or relays, or window motors, or anything made of plastic, or anything that is meant to wear out....  the actual usable GB of a thumbdrive or SSD. My latest 256 GB SSD truly only has 223 GB according to my file explorer. That's off by 33 GB! How is that legal!!  and on and on and on...
  • There's no reasoning with the "gifted", Daniel.....
  • Add me to the over promising camp. This is the same Microsoft of the Coming Soon trademark.... am I right ? Right ?
  • Not Microsoft promising. If you actually read the article you would have read that it's a Qualcomm guy saying all that. I'm looking forward to what's coming!
  • Again, wouldn't be the first OEM partner MS has mislead.
  • If it can run everything Intel processors can could be a deathblow. These would be great in the classroom as well. 
  • Not quite a death blow, but definitely a threat. Intel still has the high performance market.
  • Very true. Could effect their Pentium and even core m stuff. 
  • Yep, and with AMD taking a chunk out of Intel's shrinking higher performance PC market at the other end things are about to get interesting.
  • AMD has taken that.. being the performance market.
  • Not interested as long as that guy Nadella is running Microsoft.
  • Then honestly, you should be questioning why you are here since everything we cover is Microsoft.
  • savage 🤣
  • I guess he's cooling his heals here whilst waiting for Naddy to find another company play with? Not unreasonable really for a customer who, like many of us, has likely been regularly abused by MS. He's probably just retrenching away from Nadella.
  • Not interested in your comments when that's the only argument you can come up with
  • Lol... Then go visit Mattel Toys Central... Duuuuuuh.
  • Make them small, make them fold, let me use it as a phone. To hell with Android/iOS. I do not want to use those operating systems. Windows 10 works perfectly for me, it keeps everything synced, uniform across devices and updated simultaneously.
  • Why fold though? Personally I think it is really an incovenient idea.. since it takes an extra-step to fold-off/on the device and it would physically torture a display/hinge continuously (as a phone). It works for 2-in-1 laptop form since folding the keyboard part isn't as often; and works for Surface Pro if the foldable part is a detachable/replace-able keyboard. Not a folding phone tho, at least IMHO. Heck if those OEMs could make a lighter 2-in-1 (3:2) Surface Book (say 1-1.3kg) w/ Pen Support.. I'm in. Because weight is a big factor for a laptop/tablet-replacement. With shrunken components and less need for humongous 50-80Wh of battery, things like this should be possible.
  • If UWP doesn't mature... There will Never Ever be a Windows Phone Period! Right Now UWP is a Joke!
  • A joke? How many UWP apps you think I use on a daily basis?
  • I didn't know you are the entire world!
  • Never heard of universal oneness then?
  • Didn't know he was either.
  • 4?
  • Yes. We don't want iDroid if we don't have to... We want Windows!
  • Microsoft as usual...overpromising ..... Where is the vaporware hardware ???
  • This didn't come from MS.
  • That's how it often goes with MS vaporware. Many things don't come from MS. They are masters at not coming up with anything.
  • This is going to be awesome.  I hope they'll make models like Chromeboxes and NUCs.  We need more choices. ^_^
  • my guess...new form factors would come from OEMs ...HP, Dell, etc...
  • Have they sorted out any patent licensing issues that Intel raised about X32 compatability?
  • There is nothing to sort out, since intel didn't officially raise anything for now.
  • it looks like by the time Canonlake shows up... ARM would have moved on to 7nm...light years ahead in terms of reduced power consumption...and run windows without the need for emulation? :)
  • Sounds like Windows 10 with a phone UWP app is in the works. I'm willing to go on believing that by this time next year, we will see the emergence of an all around enterprise solution for phone/pc mobile computing. Once they dig in to that market, the public may be looking for the same thing and we will see an effort there.
  • Wat???? 29hrs of streaming Netflix?
    Cannot wait to XPA gaming on this thing docking-on-a gamepad-style!
    Surface Pen support is also very welcome.
  • Super excited about these new devices, but I feel the key to their success will be tied to UWP apps. And MS doesn't seem to be willing to do what it takes to make them successful. Honestly, what is the point of an ultra-mobile device when it doesn't have an ecosystem of apps designed around an ultra-mobile experience? To me, it's the inverse of the issue a lot of users felt MS created with Windows 8 (a tablet OS on a PC device). A contextualy enabled device needs to work just as well in contexts and right now that is just not the case. Let me put it this way. A seven-inch device that CAN run Photoshop is amazing. Running Photoshop on a seven-inch device is the opposite.
  • The Windows 10 on ARM devises are laptops I think and not a seven-inch devise. But even on a seven-inch devise that can connect to bigger screen running Photoshop on the bigger screen would be cool and practical.
  • Having to have to connect to a bigger screen Is Not Practical... cool (for some) maybe. Microsoft or any other OEM will not be returning to phones until a miraculous turn around with UWP apps. And, right now that isn't looking good, unfortunately.
  • The diversity of these two comments illustrates my point perfectly. ChristodoulosK is right: The ability to connect an ultra-portable device to a larger screen and run desktop-class software is a great (if not "killer") feature. And ITMedCEO is right: The need  to connect an ultra-portable device to a larger screen to run  desktop-class software is an impractical experience. Would I love a "Surface Pro" that could stream video for 29 hours. Yes 1,000 times! But an ultra-mobile PC needs to work first and best as an ultra-mobile device, which means touch-first and mobile-friendly (tablet/phone). A less powerfull but longer-lasting (much) laptop is not going to move the needle much and will not redefine the genre.  This is why Microsoft needs to "incent" (as stated recently by Joe Belfiore) mobile devs even more agressively to build a competitive UWP app ecosystem while offering x86 compatibility.
  • I'm sure current day smartphones, tablets and laptops can go days and days without a recharge if you could stick a huge enough battery in them. The statement about battery life without saying WHAT battery is rather moot. On another thing, the upcoming 5G could be something where Windows might excel and if done right, could steal the limelight and thunder, with it all depending on getting ARM-powered devices onto the market, enterprise AND consumer, and with a blistering marketing campaign. If the ARM battery life is, in comparable battery conditions to that of other offerings and/or running other OS-es, vastly superior in combination with Win10-ARM, Microsoft should hammer that down, showing comparative examples of how someone NOT using Win10-ARM has to have his charger at the ready every day, showing a device that is significantly larger when not running on Snapdragon 835 and boasting the normal Windows experience. This could, COULD, be THE landslide development IF executed well for the mobile market.
  • Do you think Qualcomm's testing result came from a 5cm thick 11" device?
  • OT; Seems like China beat Microsoft for making a dual screen foldable phone...Hurry up MS! https://www.zteusa.com/axonm/
  • I use an Axon mini, so I do like ZTE hardware. Don't understand how that second screen isn't going get scratched all to hell or just completely ripped off entirely. Guess that's why I like metal phones.
  • I hope we can finally get some quality, lower and mid-level W10 tablets.
  • I truly believe the end goal is to get affordable devices out to the masses and because it's cheaper, more powerful and loaded with more integrated hardware than an ATOM, we can certainly expect some really cool devices at a price we can all afford.
  • So are these ultramobile devices going to be like that little 7" "laptop" i ahve seen running windows 10?
  • Any word on how long to expect updates for these? Are they going to have the same ~2 years (maybe 3 at best) of support like phones built on the same SOCs or will it be a longer PC like support cycle?
  • Maybe we can get an app that allows phone calls.  Then our blue tooth headphones/microphone can work through the device in my briefcase/backpack.
  • Skype? 😎
  • Getting ready for it.
  • As a digital nomad/professional, I am very interested in seeing how these new Qualcomm-based Windows 10 PCs will really hold up to day-to-day use with the Win32 apps I use for work. If they can provive outstanding battery life and decently run the apps I use while being priced competitively against Intel chips, then hey, we have a winner on our hands!
  • Happy to hear something about Windows 10 on ARM, I expected some announcements when Fall Creators Update released since I thought ARM support was suppose to come along with that, like a Surface 4 or Surface Mini. Tentatively hopeful until actual products are announced by OEMs.  
  • Looking forward to it! I want a ARM version of the Surface Laptop!
  • Why are so many people hanging on to the idea that there is going to be a surface phone?
  • I have a feeling here that the fly in the ointment will be running Win32 apps in emulation.  Emulation is VERY cpu intensive.  I highly doubt that it will last 30 hours running photoshop.   Also, these claims are very fact-free.   Streaming Netflix with a native ARM app?   How big is the battery?  How big is the screen?   I wouldn't be surprised to find out next year that we are talking  about a 13" laptop that is basically 80% battery by volume/weight, NOT an 8" tablet.  
  • Netflix (ARM app) can stream perfectly on a really, really, really old L520 with a Snapdragon S4 (2 x 1GHz) and the fastest Intel ATOM which is about half of the 825's (4 x 2.45GHz & 4 x 1.9GHz). so it's a safe bet, 835 device will do just fine. As for motherboard size, it's the same as any phone motherboard so it's up to OEM how small the go and if they choose to take advantage of all the integrated hardware in the CPU
  • Super long battery life could definitely be a differentiation. If the weight's the same in total as laptops out there, but it gets 50% longer battery life because they jammed in a bunch more watt hour capacity, I could see that being a nice niche category. Even if the performance isn't anything special.
  • So I assume MS and Qualcomm have settled the issue with Intel?
  • So a phone ...would last much much longer....hmmmm could be a selling point....
  • Absolutely nothing to do with phones. Whatsoever.
  • *titbits
  • Have a question. What makes ARM better than x32/x64 processors? Why can't Intel have that kind of battery life with their processors? And what gives Qualcomm their good battery life on their ARM processors? Are we losing power?
  • Basically, 64-bit support removes the 4GB of RAM limitation and allows larger amounts of data to travel quicker. For power savings, how they design the CPU and how well they control heat makes a big difference. As for losing power, it's not an i7 but nano for nano, the Qualcomm gives Intel a run for their money.
  • They're not better, just different. Basically they've become fast enough that Microsoft thinks they can get full Windows to run, using emulation, on a Snapdragon. Essentially, it'll come with built in cellular, LTE, Wi-Fi, graphics, etc capabilities so you can shrink the motherboard down substantially compared to an Intel or AMD based design. As far as performance, we'll see. It'll definitely be a drop off from the latest Intel stuff, but spreadsheets & word documents and such usualy don't require tons of horsepower.
  • I know Qualcomm is the first choice because of their known reliability, but I want to see the other ARM players in this too. Qualcomm has become too dominant due to Android phones, and that can be dangerous in terms of competition (see: Intel). Curious to see how Samsung Exynos or Huawei Kirin can do Windows, too.
  • I'm really excited about Windows on ARM!  The tablet space is dominated by Apple and Google.  I'm thinking that a laptop with these chips would be a little underpowered for me.  I think Windows computers are typically for people who have important things to get done, whereas Android and iOS are for casual consumption.  Windows on ARM is a great opportunity for zippy consumption devices with awesome battery life.  Windows 10 S would probably be a perfect fit for ARM.
  • I really hope that Intel does not bury the whole WoA programme under tonnes of litigation
  • Don't worry about that.
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