From the Forums: Lumia 920 battery usage, petition for Google apps
We trust you've all had an eventful festive holiday and that the New Year will hold many good times ahead. Here at Windows Phone Central we've been busy bees throwing up content to push us into 2013 and our community forum hasn't seen a dip in activity either with a number of threads and posts being accumulated. So what's been happening?
Many have been experiencing draining issues with some Windows Phone 8 hardware, whether it be Nokia or HTC, now Windows Phone Central reader generalsu has published his experience with extreme battery loss through what was described as 'light usage'. Fellow member posted a potential cause:
Could we be looking at WhatsApp as the cause? Generalsu did note the app had been running when using the Windows Phone. How has your battery been on your Lumia 920 or other Windows Phone? Have you noticed any sudden drops in charge when using certain apps? Do share your experiences in the "Battery went from 100% to 42% in 6 hours with light usage. Normal?" thread.
Petition for Google apps
Does Windows Phone need Google apps? Yes and no. Yes, because there are those of us who still make use of the search engine services, but then there are others who either live in a Microsoft dominated ecosystem or are switching over to make use of Outlook.com, SkyDrive and more. It's a difficult balance to master and it would be better overall to have such solutions available on the platform.
Should a heavily integrated Google consumer look and Windows Phone and believe it to be worthy of a test drive, he (or she) may be turned away due to not being able to fully utilise already populated services. A petition has been created on Change.org that calls on Google to support its popular services and apps on Windows Phone.
do you believe Google should support services on Microsoft's mobile platform? Do you still make use of services from the search giant? Be sure to add your thoughts in the "Sign this Petition to bring Google apps to WP!" thread and sign the petition should you wish to do so.
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Funnily enough, Wordament also drains my iPhone 3Gs like mad and it gets very hot, I haven't had anything like that happen before on that phone.
I will NEVER sign onto any petition that solicits google into providing for my Windows phone. F 'em. If anything, I would petition Microsoft to force restrictions on Google's browser. Limiting the number of open tabs to 6 and that would limit the number of page views for ad buys for starters. It is still where the lions share of their dollars come from.
Bing might work fine for some countries, but for my country, it just doen't. If MS wants me to use bing, it could at least put it out of beta stage in my country and add som useful features (like filter search results by age)
... as much as I like my WP, Microsoft frustrates me in their way of forgetting there is a world outside U.S. and the U.K. ... this is, I have to admit, Apple is doing better (at least in my area).
I am happily enjoying all of Microsofts services and will not be affected by what Google does. Google should also remember that at one time Microsoft held dominate, market leading positions that declined due to corporate hubris and short sightedness. This can happen to them as well.
Google will be impervious to any petitions. They will only respond to fewer Android activations.
Finally this is dumb because its exactly what Google wants. They want people to give off the false impression that Google apps and services are not available on WP and people on the platform are hurting in some way ala the Apple Maps fiasco. But that is not the case on WP because not only does MSFT have equivalent services unlike Apple, but it also has great 3rd party Google apps that are sometimes better than the official apps. Do you use the official Twitter app or something better? Why does WinPhone want official if official is inferior and 3rd party app devs have less opportunity to make money off of Googles mistake. I happily gave money to metrotube and Gmaps Pro creators.
That said, I've been on WP for 2 years with no real trouble using Google's stuff on my phone. The fact that Google is dropping EAS support for new users is a bit obnoxious, but hopefully MS can come up with a fix and add support for Google's odd IMAP settings so we can sync Calendars and Contacts properly. It would be a kind thing to do for their users.
Even after what you've said, I still don't see the novelty in Instagram, but then again, there seems to be plenty of idiots in this world..
And fu*k google...haven't used it for 2 years now...
I've been a big fan of google for years but since I got the 920, started using Bing and ie-10 I just don't need it. I've also replaced Gmail with Hotmail, downloaded Windows8 and Metrotube is back (yay!)
I enjoy my WP as it is, but I'm sure I would enjoy it more without silly restrictions like this one. I would like for instance to see google+ in WP
As thee licenses are sold, people start to use the tiles and pretty soon it's all familiar. That's what happened to me. I saw Windows phones in the stores along side Android and never thought to try it. NEVER. I have had many Android tablets, still on two of them, and I still own an iPad 3. But when the Surface RT hit, I went to check it out. Full Office 2013 rocks on Surface RT. And then I got exposed to the live tiles. Now I love them. So I upgraded my ultrabook to Win8. And you know what, next thing I know I'm pining away for a Lumia 920. Why? Cause I have SkyDrive on everything. I can open a word or excel file from my laptop, Surface RT or my phone. It's easy, fast and good looking. The camera is amazing. I have about 17 games on the Lumia and they are all good. XBOX music subscription. And since I own an XBOX I am liking the fact that my achievements are everywhere. I think this new Win8 core is the launch of a great platform. And if Google is stupid enough to shut themselves out, all I can do is laugh my butt off andd the so-called genuis who thought that one up. Google will come crawling back. Just watch and see. Microsoft has the numbers on this. It's simple math. Everyone suddenly forgot how to do simple math.
Microsoft will sell 400 million win8 licenses. Honestly, there is going to be bleed over. There is going to be a halo affect that pulls in large sales of tablets and phones with the common core. And for developers, this is a no-brainer. Just wait and see for yourselves. The tech journalists are all going to have so much egg on their faces. It doesn't matter how much they badmouth this. It will happen anyway.
Still love bing's image search though :)
These features might exist in your country, but certainly not where you live.
I want people to think about this very carefully before they make up their minds.
Ask yourselves this question, how will it affect me if Google develops apps for WP8?
Guess what? Unless you use google apps, it won't affect you directly. If you do not want to use google apps, don't download and instally them; simple.
So, no complaints there. I really want you gues to see the big picture here. Some of you may not use Google apps, but guess what? Millions of other people do. And many of those millions may use that as a deciding factor to. Make a new purchase for a phone. If WP8 does not have support from Google, guess which phone they're not going to buy? That's right, a WP8 phone. Now, this may not affect you directly, but consider this for a moment. For a phone/OS to be successful, it needs mass adoption and marketshare. What do you think will happen to your WP without adoption and reasonable market share? It will go the route of. Symbian and Windows Mobile. And THAT will affect you. Try to see the large picture. Could you imagine what would happen if Google supports BB10? That will give RIM a huge advantage of Microsoft, and give new smartphone buyers another reason to choose another OS over WP8. That is bad news for us. This is a war, and I personally thnik WP8 is hands down the most intuitive, functional mobile OS, but it can't win without the tools, and we have a chance here to add another tool to the WP8 arsenal, and some of you are ignoring this. Why? Do you think Microsoft can win this battle alone? It can't! It needs us, the userbase, to make it a success. And it needs to increase that userbase to grow to that success, and having Google apps gives it another means to increase that userbase. So, you stay there, with your elitist, narrow-minded, short-sighted attitude and see how far WP8 is going to go. Having google apps on WP8 phone will NOT affect you; just don't download or use the apps. But not having google support WILL affect you, whether you want it to or not. It can potentially kill the future of this beautiful OS. So, please, sign the petition and help WP8 increase its userbase, and chances of success. Please, sign the peition.
I like Office. Truth is even when I used GoogleDocs it was always in addition to Office. Why not just use Office? I buy it anway as I need it for professional resons. Here in the United States, I have no need of Google services. Microsoft has pretty much all the same sevices, typically better in my opinion but not always, to match anything Google has.
Google will back anyway. You just watch and see. Google is the bad guy here. They've pissed off Apple and now they want to walk away from Microsoft. Good luck Google. You guys ae making all the wrong moves lately. Them leaving is a funny gift if you ask me. I don't regret it, but Google will. I can't believe how stupid they are being right now. Boggles my mind.
So, as long as MS doesn't take their finger out and realize there is a world outside of U.S. and U.K., I'll have to depened on google to search the internet :-(
When bing reroute ou to your main country you can choose different country.
I do this before we have full Service here in Germnay
So, is it maybe Microsoft Switzerland which is in hybernation state with bing.ch still in beta ??? Maybe I should write them a mail.
even though Switzerland apparently is the country with the highest purchasing power world wide and our economy not being in a recession during the financial crisis.
even Apple realised that and has several Apple stores in prime locations in Zurich and Geneva and releasing their iPhones here in the first wave and having huge campaigns everywhere.
I can see the thread getting locked eventually due to name calling and going downhill. The best thing would be if you want to sign the petition, post signed and move on. If you don't want to sign it, don't, and no need to post that you didn't.
Barring that, this debate is like democrats vs conservatives. From my perspective I would be convinced that bringing in Google applications would be detrimental to Microsoft since they already produce damn near everything Google is, like Docs vs SkyDrive, search, etc etc. If they want to sink the money into the push and development of their own services, it would be foolish to bring in the competition? This whole petition idea seems as goofy to me as petitioning Burger King to sell Big Macs because the undersigned think the Whopper sucks.
I noticed that my battery lasts extremely much longer since I deactivated location and 4G.
I don't use any google-related stuff, so I don't personally care if google services get native apps on WP8. I also don't really think google takes WP8 seriously, and even if google or MS were petitioned to try and drag google products over to WP8, I doubt google would be in any hurry to do it.
If you heavily rely on google's products (mail, g+, docs, etc), the integration with your device is important, and you can't or won't try microsoft equivalents, then you'd probably be better off on iOS or Android, it's that simple.
Additionally you could add the webmail account to the home screen if you prefer the Google interface =)
OR even better option & my personal favorite; migrate your Google account to Outlook, it is very easy and you don't even need to change your e-mail address ;-)
It was the same way the first 2 years with Android. Android fanboys saying "you want such and such then buy and iPhone." and people did and Android apps suffered.
And I'm no longer using chrome after IE10 arrived...since then I hate IE at last it got my love. I think no there will be no problem without google services
And before anybody advises me to use bing: I tried. But it lacks aearch results. It lacks features. Hell, it's still in beta in my country, since 2 or 3 years! Dear Microsoft, us non-english-speaking Europeans are people (& Customers) too!!!!
Sorry ... rant over.
1) Search with bing
2) Search with google
4) Send MS the results
This doesn't effect the windows phone eco system...as long as ms try to be innovative and best with its Os....i find only one deficiency notification bar hope we get it next or so..
Since they cannot embed deeply or provide applications that nag you to install more and more of their software and give up more and more of your personal behaviors in the Windows Phone enviornment they will take their spyware elseware.
Extreame battery drain is not only due to some suspended apps/handles kept in the background but also CPU being locked to run at very higher clock even in idle situation, say 1.2Ghz or 1.5 Ghz , this drains battery and heats the phone.In my experience, I have Noke + running on my android and it keeps some GPS routines in use even after closing the actual app and keeps the phone awake ( CPU is still in USE). We can blame Apps and OS platform as well, we call those apps "rougue" apps!!
I'm patiently waiting.
I used to live in the google world, but I dropped them in every way except Google reader, and there are plenty of good clients for WP7 and 8.
Petition to top developers -- mint, flipboard, istagram, waze and more ...
Thank You !
It's Google. They have billions in the bank and supposedly the best developers in world. To say that they can't be bothered to pull 1-2 devs off to do WP/W8 development is bullshit. We are talking about a few months of work if that.
Even with small marketshare we are still talking about 10s of millions of WP users. So Google basically took you, a WP user (or W8), and threw you into the trash can just so they can stick it to their rival. But you still grovel and beg and sign petitions.??? Wow, just wow.
Nokia took a big gamble teaming with Microsoft, and that gamble may have sealed their doom.
The WP8 launch told me all I needed to know about WP8, and its chances of survival.
Good job Nokia please keep up the good work. At&t please learn from Nokia and train your customer service reps a little better.