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Microsoft's phone revenue dropped by 71% in Q4 FY 2016

It's not exactly a surprise to learn that revenues from Microsoft's phone divison dropped by a massive 71% year-to-year during its fiscal year 2016 fourth quarter.

Micrsoft's numbers showed that its overall devices business went down by 33% during the quarter, offset somewhat by the 9% rise in revenue from its Surface division. Microsoft did not share any specific unit sales numbers for its Lumia smartphones from the last quarter. The company has been drastically reducing its smartphone hardware efforts, but Microsoft has said it will continue to support Windows 10 Mobile.

That includes the use of the OS in the upcoming HP Elite x3 "superphone," and there are still, of course, rumors that Microsoft is working on a high-end "Surface" branded phone that could launch in 2017.

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  • Well, when you reduce your portfolio to effectively three phones vs eight or more, this is what happens. I've said it before: they want out of the hardware business for phones save one premium experience. This model is no different than PC (Surface) and will apply to HoloLens too. Longer term, it will be about licensing Windows 10 Mobile to OEMs. However, that has yet to make many inroads and if it does happen, it'll be a few more quarters out, if at all.
  • + don't advertise them, too. Although I think Hp will do good advertising of their phone.
  • HP won't advertise it, been said many times here.
  • I think he means HP will market their phone to Enterprise customers and through distribution partners.
  • You mean like Blackberry?
  • They're not only 'not advertising'... they seem to have a book on how to make something fail that they're operating off. They're missing out on great opportunities to inform people how many more hundreds of thousands of apps the Windows Store has, releasing phones with carrier exclusivity, doing nothing at all to aid their PR (which is coming back to bite very quickly since what people hear in the grapevine is the most powerful asset/liability)... and yeah, failing to advertise what they do have. I can't put a number to how many people I've personally talked to that think the Lumia Icon and 1520 were the last strong Windows Phones released who don't even know the 950/950xl exist. I hate to say this, but Microsoft does need to take a page from Apple's book. When numbers aren't looking good, show off cumulative sales... Apple did it, and while it was something even an amatuer analyst could see through, the majority didn't bat an eye. It brought up consumer confidence in the platform, which can effectively turn into new investment. Make your phones available on all carriers, advertise their strong points like Continuum and Windows Hello, advertise all the goodies Anniversary is bringing... and for the love of God, they have got to start advertising Windows Store statistics to show people we've come a long way since back in 2012 when we only had 120,000 apps.
  • Preach brotha. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • If the Surface phone is nothing but a rumor, then at this point someone at MS should be saying that the expectation is so high that they'd better start working on one.... IOW, if MS wasn't planning one, then by way of fans, haters, and the media, they should feel that one is justified now... I just hope that's not the case, they have been working on one, and that they are in the final stages of testing.
  • Agree completely. Love the spec on the hp. That, plus the Nokia camera tech, you have a flagship.
  • Just think... Think of how good the X3 looks on paper.. And, MS is all over that phone..... Now, a purported Surface phone to be released 9, to 12 months later???... And, MS had admitted to making anything labeled Surface king of the hill in quality, design, and performance?.... If there is a SP then it will most likely make the X3 look like how the X3 makes the 950XL look... There should be a big bump in specifications.
  • Agreed. I am sure they have something in the works but yeah there is obvious demand in at least the business sector. Also, speaking of haters... I bet there will be plenty of articles about this at sites that won't cover Microsoft's innovative achievements but if it's something negative, they give it full coverage.
  • You have to admit that over the past few years, the haters have been right on Windows Phone more times than the fans and cheerleaders have been.
  • Well, I have to admit that I still don't give a damn. And I have to admit that even though Android is actually stable now, it's still just not my style. I just can't push myself to like this os. I'm glad Microsoft has haters. Although they're not really haters, just undercover fans. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Agreed. I just don't like android. I hate how it operates. I wish that I could buy any hardware I want and flash Windows to it like I can flash Linux to basically any PC I want. I'd love an ASUS Zenfone running W10M. Freedom and choice. Imagine if the tech enthusiasts that love their android had a chance to test W10M on their current device with the option to switch back if they don't like it. I'd bet a at least a few defectors to MS camp.
  • Yea. Here in Jamaica is mostly android phones. And the rich people carry IPhones and galaxy S7s. So it's something I see everyday, which is another reason why I learned to appreciate windows phone better. I recently lost my Lumia 928, so I'm using a galaxy S4 for now. The rear camera doesn't work, the Sim slot is damaged so I can't make calls. It's just depressing. And then all these new builds are releasing and I can only read about them. Lol Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • What's stopping you flashing the latest version of Android Marshmallow? There are plenty of custom ROMs to chose from. http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4/i9505-orig-develop/rom-cyanoge... Take a few minutes, much quicker than a Windows Mobile update to download & install. For Google Play Store access you'll need to install GAPPS (opengapps.org), but if you want a google-free experience try f-droid.org instead. Just install the MS apps you want. But as others have said, if Windows Mobile could be flashed to other phones, then I would do so. But I'm not going to spend money on MS hardware.
  • Still looks old school to me. Like reminds me of WinMo 6.5
  • Exactly ❗
  • Android still has It's fair share of instabilities. IOS as well. I work with both on a daily basis. IMO Windows 10 Mobile is still by far the best Mobile OS at the moment. However the lack of popular apps certainly doesn't help the situation of which Microsoft with It's massive programming team could actually do something about.
  • it is not just about the lack of apps ,I've been using WM since 2012 and I made the change and got 950XL to use WM 10 as it supposed be rather than upgrading my old phone, four months of using this device it keep restarting randomly, have to charge it three times a day, completly unstable system and all the updates from MS are to fix some bugs (after the last update the glance screen is not working at all) and the question here why MS annunce an unfinished system and let all the users suffer because of it especially on MS own devices (I thing other manufacturers will have a more problems) so I think it is about time to abandon this sinking ship and move out to another OS despite my love o WM. Note: my brother own the same phone with the same problems (except of the glance screen thing)
  • Uh, W10M is full of instabilities and issues as well.
  • W10m is the most unstable mobile OS available right now.
  • Android stable? My wife's S5 keeps draining her battery within 20 minutes.. The store is the only app that is using battery and when you try and disable it, the dumb thing crashes. Sometimes I hate my windows phone but never have I said to myself I would go to android, it's either iphone or windows phone for stability.
  • Lol well it seems to vary with smartphones, as I've noticed. My friend has a galaxy S5 and it has significantly better battery life than his galaxy S4. So I don't really know what it is. It's the same thing with Windows 10 mobile. My lumia 520 ran the TH2 builds like a charm. So did my lumia 928. But other folks with the same devices had the exact opposite experience. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's because a lot of people (some actually are pathetic haters) aren't haters, rather realist.. And, they tell it like it is.
  • I mean it's ok what they think. But sometimes it seems as if they want to persuade other people into leaving the platform. I don't like that stuff man. Let people decide. And instead of cursing here, I wish people would put their feelings aside and discuss the topics like mature individuals. And stop messing up Nadella's name. It's just childish and boring. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • But, alas, its those shouty types that get heard. It's those negative tech *cough* experts that get heard. I have an iPad mini 3. I really like it. iOS on a tab just works, but, I dislike it on a phone. Android,for which I cooked roms, never felt complete or worked as a whole. It always felt as a vehicle for Google to attain as much info about you as possible, and to push their ideology. It also permitted OEM's to destroy, what could be a good OS, with so much bloat it is laughable. As a business owner, W10 just works for me. For some it won't. I run a taxi firm and use 14 mobile devices for drivers. They, despite being iOS or droid users, like it. Apparently its very easy to use, and appears smoother than their personal choices. It's horses for courses. If we all liked the same things, how dull would life be for us. As Dan said, this news was to be expected. MS have withdrawn from the device market. Many older devices dropped, only 4 devices in the line up, of which, very few were ever made. Since the reduction in devices, the OS has come along nicely. The RS previews are damned good, TH has also seen many updates, so there are some positives, despite what the naysayers and doom mongers say. Maybe they, and the 'tech' media should read the MS press releases stating what would happen over the next couple of tears, it's all there
  • Yea, the world would be like the Equilibrium movie if everyone used the same devices, so I like that there are at least three options right now. (if you're interested in the movie, it's a film starred by Christian Bale. It's an awesome movie, give it a watch if you haven't already.) Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • and don't even sell the phones worldwide. Brasil, a big Windows Phone market, was abandoned after the Lumia 640XL, not even the 550 or 650 released.
  • You aren't missing out on much Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's a dumb statement. He is missing tons. He is right Brazil used to have a larger WP8 share than iOS don't know if that has continued. But lack of 950/XL hurts as a consumer if you want the next great thing. Just like all Galaxy gas want the new one and any iPhone release swarms Apple fans, Windows Fans are the same I wanted a 950XL on vze and it nevered happened. Was waiting for announce to see if HP would make a VZW x3 didn't happen. I'm done with VZW defecting to T-Mo after my next bonus check to buy my wife a Zenfone Zoom (installing Windows 10 on the Atom processor for her to use as her windows tablet and phone) and me an Elite X3
  • I'm sure there was a reason, but, with my limited information, I think it was an error. Seemed popular in South America, as it is in Europe.
  • Microsoft is not interested in consumer devices. They are aiming for enterprise.
  • Which is funny, because way back in the old day when Windows won the Desktop war they went after the consumer and the business followed.  Back then it was all IBM and OS2 for the enterprise.  Just because I'm forced to use a divice at work does not mean I'll want to use it at home.  Which is why that damn work iphone sits unless I'm forced to carry it around.
  • Good point. You're right, it doesn't mean you'll use it at home. However, it will get Windows 10 Mobile phones more exposure and some may actually like it enough to want to use as a daily driver. I don't know if that's MS's desire, but it certainly couldn't hurt.
  • Yeah, I don't get it. I live in Rio, Brazil. I have a Lumia 830. My wife has a Lumia 640XL and his Mother has another one. My brother has a Lumia 820 (expecting for something midspec), my mother has a 640. My team in my Company all have a Windows Phone (730, 735, 635 and HTC 8x. I made them migrate to Windows Phone Platform. I did pretty good job, maybe better than MS. But MS only sees its ecosystem - beware MS, despite most computers around the word have a W10 on it, Apple and Google are going to take over the entire market of average users. Most of people I know today use the computer only because of Word and Excel and some other specific softwares. It's ok, if it is what the company wants. I am really starting to get tired in this journey of platform support.
  • There is no reason to "get tired," just buy the devices that suit your needs, and quit worrying about the other stuff.
  • «despite most computers around the word have a W10 on it…» Most computers in the world do NOT have W10 installed. http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/microsoft-pushed-windows-10-results/ But I feel you're right about people using computers (I guess you mean desktops / laptops) for specific reasons, rather than as a general tool, and that's based on my personal observations not on any hard data.
  • Glad to see that the first commit on this article about expected results isn't the doom bringers raging about how win mob is dead.
  • It is dead mate, no need to put up the shields, it's more dead than Elvis.
    Only possibility moving forward is a Lazarus act via enterprise for a tiny market share..... Which will keep it on life support for me.
  • Well if its dead then im a necromancer as this ***** in my hand seems alive to me.
  • Lol... I think he's not being negative, rather just saying that it's relatively dead... Compared to the competition. But, it's hanging in there for dear life.
  • The reality, for all intents and purposes it is dead. Does that stop me using my numerous HD DVD players, Zune and Lumia 930?
    Hell no, luv my WP phones and will buy them new very cheaply for years to come....... But peeps,as a platform it is dead.
    Accept it, keep enjoying your products, and fingers crossed we might experience a Lazarus via Corporate
  • Dude, is deader than blackberry!
  • Windows mobile is not making money for Satya, so it is a low priority for them. Their focus is elsewhere.
  • Dead to the average consumer, maybe. But, I will continue to use Windows 10 Mobile, as long as I can get my hands on one that I like. I personally don't particularly care for android or iOS, but I'm no hater of them, either.
  • Elvis keeps making appearances......
  • Lol, so true
  • They were right though! Posted via the Windows Central App for Skynet
  • 3 mediocre phones without a hint of what made people "fans" of wp before
  • how is a 950 a mediocre phone?
  • L950 is a great phone. However W10M launched with too many bugs and too few features. The execution was also terrible since 920 owners had to wait three years.
  • Well it's no longer mega buggy and featureless so its time to spread the word august 2nd
  • Yeah must admit the latest insider builds are working quite well on my 950. I was almost at the point of sending my second had set back to then and asking for a refund. The daily random restarts were out of control, however this seems to be resolved and the features keep on coming.
  • A lot of the bugs and crashes are gone, but browsing the web with Edge is painfully slow and mediocre.
  • +9 50 ..XL
  • Was with you until you mentioned 920 owners had to wait 3 year ...the 930 was more widely available for 920 owners to upgrade to. I own all three (920,930 and 950), overall, I still love my 930 the most and it performs just as good and better in some areas than my 950 despite the latter having a better processor (though I presume once the OS gets ironed out, I will finally enjoy the 950s processor more). It has everything the 920 offered and more (except for glance), so to say 920 owners had to wait 3 years, is their own fault, not Microsoft/Nokia.
  • 920 owners in the US couldn't get the 930/ICON as the phones were on 2 separate carriers.
  • you mean Lumia 930 and 1520 users?
  • Time to stop defending WP, she's gone.
    Doesn't mean you and I still can't enjoy a great product but it's time to call it.
    Far out, I remember HD DVD being officially shot and it was 100 times stronger than WP ever was.
  • That's because blu-ray is clearly the better technology. HD DVD had a much lower quality limit. Windows 10 Mobile has no technological limits and can continue to get better.
  • People said that with every OS they produced and here we are.
  • Lol I guess you're right. As long it's still operational I'll use it. I only use Whatsapp, Facebook, instagram, the music app and the camera, so I'm good with the apps available for Windows 10 mobile. Right now I'm using an Android phone, and let me tell you...... I'm miserable,I'm bored and I'm eager to get a job so I can buy a lumia 1520 Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • The PS3 was a BluRay player and game system all-in-one that cost the same or less than most HD disc players at the time. That fact alone put many nails in the HD DVD coffin.
  • Well they said Bing is dead, Xbox is dead, Surface is dead, Windows is dead for many times too. It is just the current trend to call Windows Mobile is dead.
  • Maybe you should adopt the mantra of Arnie.....Win Mobile, I'll be back...... Even a blu ray player, upscaling a dvd does a better job than HD DVD.
  • Cheap build quality, uninspired design, horrendously buggy software (at release). Use of an Iris scanner when finger print sensors are much faster/convenient. The iris scanner is alright, but having to hold the phone up to your face does not compare to tapping your home button. The phone itself is decent from a functionality and power standpoint. But it looks and feels pathetic when compared to the iPhone and the new samsung devices. Even my 500 dollar oneplus 3 beats the hell out of the 950 in design/build quality.
  • Maybe out of the box the iPhone has a better look to it, but consider that most owners take it out of it's package and stick it right into a big bulky case to protect its fragile construction the style of the device shouldn't be such a big deal.
  • The fact that most people use a case does not excuse a device for having cheap build quality compared to its competition.
  • If my son even looked at his iPhone and frowned the screen would crack. If you went shopping with it, it would jump out of his pocket and bed down with the bananas' ;-)
  • how are we (people in colder climates) supposed to use a fingerprint sensor with our gloves/mitts on? Clearly in some countries such as Canada, the use of Iris Scanner is a win-win!
  • the lumia 950 doesnt have super sensitive touch so you cant do anything with gloves on anyways.
  • Do you own one?.. Any of the 950s?
  • yes
  • Surely you do..
    My question was for- brent0007
  • I can see your point about finger print scanners, but why follow like sheep? I see, maybe wrongly, the 950 series as a developmental device. We had Iris and continuum, two different concepts on a mobile device. Something completely different to stupid curved screens and the like.
  • Android has had face scanning for years. It sucks. Having to hold your phone up to your face in order to unlock it never made sense when a pin pattern was faster and more convenient. I know retina isn't quite the same, but it basically is. Microsoft dropped the ball not having fingerprint support earlier. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Internally, Microsoft is not particularly proud of these phones or the state of the OS. They want to address that with RS2 and RS3 along with the phone from Surface team, assuming it goes through.
  • Every now and then I see a comment from Dan that I love, like this. Gives me hope.
  • Brown nose
  • You, my friend, need a woman... 'private time' obviously isn't satisfying you anymore
  • Guess what? You'll see all your dead pets at the Rainbow Bridge someday, too.
  • Daniel needs to come into the comments to show support on both good and bad. Right now there's way too many bad people here in the comments sections of each article.
  • I actually really love my 950. I feel like they finally got it "right". GREAT camera, perfect screen size, perfect screen quality, removable battery, SD Card, thin and light. I agree that the iris scanner is crap... I wish they could use the camera from SP4 which works amazing. But other than that, I'm far happier with this phone than any other Lumia (and I have most of them).
  • Hey Daniel, do you think they can get back to that same stability that they had with wp8? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • considering how often they change their minds, wont be long till they decide minimalism and form over function is good again
  • Sigh could you just answer the question intelligently please? If you can't give me a good answer just don't pay my comment any mind then. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Clearly defining the feature set, interface, and interaction between the two. Clearly defining the hardware required to run the OS. Hiring programmers who know who to programme efficiently. Rigourous beta testing across all devices the OS is designed to run on. Rulthless elimination of all discovered bugs re-writing code rather than introducing work-arounds. Repeating 4 and 5 Releasing a build only once it has passed through quality control, not rushing it to release and relying on patches to fix broken, buggy, poorly programmed functions and features.
  • The latest RS build is very stable for me. Compared to TH, 10586.xx, its night and day. It transforms the 950 series. My xl absolutely flies along now. It's a different beast altogether. The OS is developing better than I could have hoped. For those left in the Mobile department, they have done an amazing job. They deserve a great deal of credit in these troubling times. How's that for positive? And, I stand by what I said
  • Agreed. Considering of what Panay has said last year about Lumia phones aren't their 'handmade' phones, they do have less support on those phones, until the next Surface phones arise.
  • Microsoft profit actually goes up by 1% yearly. so, I hope there is no panic situation regarding mobile. They will give it a try.
  • Lumia 950 is by far my most favorite mobile, sleek looks, snappy and logic OS. Only the apps.. Yup Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • and yet, sadly, extremely overprice for what you get...   and yes, I've seen those promos of 2 for 1 when buying the XL and getting the 950 for free, but the XL seems too large for my taste.
  • It seems fine to me... I definitely will get the 950 xl
  • As long as people are not buying it, it's overpriced, sure. Hardware wise the price seems good now (~290€ here, VAT included) though.
  • Legit the screen to bezel ratio is like 98% or something. So its as small as it can get for the screen size. I have a 1520 too and it's huge compared to the 950xl. I can actually use the XL without being uncomfortable. Recommend to anyone.
  • Yea, only the apps... It's sad... I have used WP since the WP7 days and have liked it.  However, with W10M, I don't think I care for the experience any longer.  I can maybe accept the very real app gap.  But having the app gap AND buggy OS isn't a great deal for me.  W10M just has too many crashes, random reboots, random wifi and blutooth crashes, etc.  If it doesn't have the latest apps and is a little unstable - well that's just one strike too many.  It's very unfortunate that W10M took a back step from WP8 in terms of OS stability, otherwise I may stay on for the Surface Phone.
  • That buggy OS argument is old and worn out. It's not that buggy anymore, and honestly hasn't been in quite a while.
  • Android Marshmallow has been extremely buggy in my experience.
  • And not to forget the battery drain issue on some (maybe) stock and custom ROMs. (no signature)
  • "Not that buggy" is an admission that it is STILL buggy ;) Remind me again of the bugs that afflict iOS... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • WP8 was as perfect an OS Iv'e used W10M, as of 4 months ago was garbage. Maybe it's changed. MS's mobile division has there heads up their asses.
  • It really changed. W10M that once released last year is not so buggy anymore. More features (yet we still waiting for Messaging Everywhere feature), stability upgraded, and battery improved (even more on 950/XL firmware update). Anyway, I miss the old WP8 days :\
  • Lumia 830: battery life has taken a nose dive, apps (even native ones like messaging) open slower. Certain apps I use heavily (Audible, Grover Pro, Spotify) open so slowly it is a press and wait situation. Windows 10 mobile is miles behind WP8.1 for general use, and I am still pissed about losing the battery tile. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Yup I probably be switching back to Android anytime soon. App gap is killing WP. Sad reality!
  • Unfortunately, I want to go back to Windows as soon as budget matters. I still rather want to have the Start screen than the home screens on Android.
  • I was given an iPhone 6s plus at work (actually, I chose it over an lg model). Omg, the games, like Lego star wars, are better than anything on w010. But, I like the hardware of my 950 better.
  • I wouldn't say the 950XL has mediocre hardware. The specs are actually good. Posted via my Moto X Pure Edition using the Windows Central App for Android
  • Hardware wasn't a huge problem to begin with. Before MS took over phone hardware, Nokia would release rock solid and flashy devices. However, these devices usually had last year's specs and features for today's prices. Nokia also would forgo some features that were becoming standard at the time. E.g. No front facing camera for the midrange Lumia 710 or 520. There was at least the camera button on most phones during that period.
    The big elephant in the room has always been software. WP7/8 OS was behind in commonly used features when compared to the competition. In addition, the API are not as well developed as iOS and Android (not to mention the 2 overhauls with WP 8 & W10m). This plus the initial small user based likely turn off many devs resulting in few apps. I also wonder if MS has a bad record with ex employees or developers. For some reason, it seems that there are a quite a few anti-MS bosses for a few popular app devs e.g. Snapchat, Supercell, Pebble. There seems to be much less hate from devs when it comes to Apple or Google.
    No having most of the common apps was already bad for WP. There was at least unique features such as live tiles and hubs, but some these are starting to disappear too.
    In some sense, it's ironic that Microsoft is having this much trouble with a mobile OS when they are doing great in other areas with software.
  • I loved WP before but they killed Zune and replaced it with the inferior Xbox Music. They dropped real upgrades and allowed carriers to have exclusives like that phone that went to VZW that I would have purchased for AT&T without hesitation. Idiots. Still lacking in the app department. WC App via Nexus 6.
  • Agreed. The Zune software made it possible to easily sync with my huge iTunes library. Every Microsoft music app after Zune has been essentially unusable in my opinion. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I'm confused by what the revenue model is supposed to be for WM; if they don't make any hardware, and give away the OS, how do they earn money? Cuts from app sales? If so, they shot themselves in the foot by kicking Consumer to the curb. Enterprise deployments will usually roll their own apps, use the bundled software (Lync, Office), or negotiate a bulk deal directly from the vendor. How does MSFT expect to make a profit here?
  • Purchases in the app store, office subscriptions through mobile, movie purchases, groove subscriptions, etc.
  • Would think the word profit isn't even use in the same sentence as WP, ever.
  • Office 365 subscription for using Continuum? As this might be the only devices for some people they will have to subscribe even if they wouldn't otherwise. I am unsure if Windows Store for Business has some perspective but we'll see.
  • Enterprise will be tied to the MS ecosystem, thats all that matters to MS
  • Longer term all OEMs will be dead as they accumulate losses year after year. So longer term it depends on whether Samsung and Huawei want to join or not. Which is unliketly to happen without pouring a lot of money incetivness, and then we go to another Nokia story. This made sense 10 years ago and wasn't tried then. Now it is as stupid as it gets.
  • no. they are only interested in selling mobile to businesses...nvm the consumers who contributed to their early success in the mobile platform. I suppose this strategy of losing the mobile race is how they planned it. Oh well the relationship was nice while it lasted. I can totally see this website deserted as windows phone continues to fade into oblivion.
  • The problem with that hypothesis is that there's no evidence to support it when it comes to phone. It's literally been three YEARS since Microsoft has delivered a premium phone experience. Nadella is looking to get out of phones entirely, and the third party set is never going to make inroads anywhere but a small niche in business environments.
  • Not only the number of devices available. It's the number of countries where those phones are available.  I wonder why is this a surprise for anyone, the next quarter could be very near to zero, except for the new sales of the new OEMs that most likely won't be exactly millions.
  • offer W10 to OEMs???
    WHO will buy it?? With todays market share and app gap NOBODY will buy it except some small China based companies but the "True" big warriors like Samsung, LG or SONY wont touch this. They have ZERO interest in supporting this platform. They have Android with huge market share, user base so why would they change??
  • Because only Samsung earns money. However they have accumulated so many losses that they are unlikely to make some investments, it would sound reasonable few years ago, but not now.
  • It isn't just Samsung making money. Some companies aren't, but they still decide to release new Android models every year and not Windows phone. Huawei is doing quite well, and is the third largest phone maker in the world. Xiaomi is making a killing also. Sony and HTC might as well throw in the towel.
  • The issue with this approach is the fact that the Lumia brand accounted for over 90% of the WIndow Phone / Mobile market share. They should have slowly transitioned out --- not just bail. They basically just destoyed their market they want their OEM's to cater to.
  • Not many OEMs willing to produce phones for the restricted Windows 10 mobile when they have Android. The OS is not flexible enough for the OEMs.
  • Also many of these OEMs are leaving Android and have already started work on their own mobile OS that maybe better than Android. Look at what Samsung is doing with Tizen - sure it's still infancy but eventually they will roll it out and Android will also be left to cheap ODM vendors
  • You say "many" and then mention Samsung with Tizen. Tell me, what other Android OEM is leaving and creating an alternative line with their own OS? Samsung definitely isn't dropping Android.
  • Huawei also has a backup plan mobile OS   http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/23/12011732/huawei-developing-own-mobile-os
  • We've heard that before with BadaOS. Look where it is now. They are not leaving Android. Windows mobile phones are like a bunch of clones. They all look alike. Samsung can't differentiate like they do on Android. Samsung can't bring something like Galaxy Edge to Windows mobile because like I said, Windows mobile is restricted and not flexible.
  • I wish phones were more commonly like personal computers where ppl could choose to overwrite or dual boot OSes. It would be awesome if for example, HTC made the 11 and let users choose loading W10m or Android during purchase.
  • Exactly what I would like. MS should look at this and then customers could the hardware they wanted and put their software of choice in it. Still don't think it would get developers to create apps for it though.
  • Granted, they should have backed the 950s a bit more than they did.
  • Its a shame that the partnership between MS and Huawei for W10m failed. Huawei has some beatiful devices with good prices.
  • I agree. Huawei phones are bad ass.
  • Yeah. I'm a Lumia 1520 and 800 user before. Now, I'm using P9 for now while waiting for the OS to mature and for MS to release a great hardware.
  • longer term? licensing? sure, but then no oem will use it.
  • If they'd drop the price of the Lumia 950 XL to under $300, I'd buy one in a second. Just got me a G Flex 2 (Which was a $700 phone last year) for $250. Awseome phone. Still don't like Android's OS, but this phone has no lag surprisingly. App selection is better, but there is nothing on my G Flex2 that I didn't have on my Lumia.
  • Plug an Xbox 360 controller into its USB port and play some of the wonderful games that Android offers controller support for. There's hundreds of them.
  • Daniel WM10 is not good mobileOS. My last WM10 is Microsoft Lumia 950XL. For me never again WM 10. I love Windows 10 Full OS (desktop , laptop, Surface pro 4. I have 5 pc) BUT for mobile my option is OnePlus 3 (amazing device with perfect app from Microsoft services Skype,cortana, Onedrive, Outlook, office) and second phone iPhone 6s plus. I believe the only option for Microsoft is android custom rom e.g. CM 13.1, BUT........
  • I view the Lenovo jump into the Japanese market with some interest. The original effort for WP7 was a flop. But suddenly with a carrier (Softbank) actually picking up a handset, we may see some movement. My local camera/electronics superstore has been showing off the Vaio with continuum.
  • I think this was their biggest error in judgement so far. They simply looked at the market share in the US which was consistently under 2% and decided to throw in the towel and stop making handsets, rather than look at opportunities abroad. Australia, Brazil and many European regions all started to see some traction in terms of market share getting up around the 10% mark or higher. They could have reduced their handset range and presence in the US and just focused on corporate sales, whilst increasing their consumer marketing/advertising and handset range in these regions to really push for a market share of 15-20%, which in turn would entice developers in these regions choose to develop for the OS. Also correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Lumia outselling Surface and Xbox One when looking at raw quarterly sales numbers? I know this doesn't mean much in the scheme of total handsets sold worldwide across all OEM's however surely it would still be profitable, or are the profit margins in handsets a lot less compared to tablets and gaming consoles?
  • All those sales were the Lumia 520, a dirt cheap phone. That doesn't make for a great market. These countries were also buying for the Nokia name more than Windows phone. You notice they didn't turn into repeat buyers. It wasn't a sustainable business. Nokia had given up and Microsoft was forced to buy them. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I really wonder why MS is spending all the money on Win 10 mobile after absolutely abandoning the phone hardware. Satya had no stomach for spending on phones to at least keep them relevant until an MS phone was developed. I can't envision any OEMs taking Win Mo serious with the pathetic market share.
  • The easiest thing for them to get the market share for their OS is to open release it to be able to install on any android phone currently on the market. Simple, effective and will increase market share for apps to get developed for it.
  • I have all these Nokia/Lumia / Microsoft phones. From beginning I was happy about them, but month after month I find all the problems, and it´s not about Apps, I actually use very few apps. But all thes low end 8 GB phones with bad monitosr, touch and processors, or generally low specs plasic Nokia / Lumia was extremely bad. Even our three 950 XLs we had to give back to them, same problems like 930 and 1520 and all them, because 950 modells was also 80 % Nokia / Lumia. In all the years we had problems with the phone signal, to keep it strong and be in contact. And about data and wi-fi signals it´s the same, constanly we need to recall if we use Skype. But one day all these problems was gone - we bought 3 new Samsung Edge 7, using the same way with the same sim cards, and in same areas - it´s simple - and what I call all the old Nokia syndroms and bad Nokia hardware, really bad with The future is near, we will get a full Surface line - Laptop, tablets and two or three Surface phones, everything is completed in a high level. I think it looks like the Appel way, few and uality, and what people need. I really apreciate they stop the sick low end Nokia / Lumia / Microsoft line. Now we just need to wait until april / may 2107, where we will get a totally new WP line and a completed quality Surface line. And off course WP 10 in these days and months are falling down, it naturally - we are waiting for the new WP 10, the same about OEMs, tehre is nothing to sell. The future will be bright. By the way, we are not impressed about Samsung 7 Edge and Android 6, it´s just another packet of problems. We are back in WP 10 and Surface when they will be ready.        
  • He is right... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Lol you moan like us and you the editor.
  • They are not making anything different lumia 650 is soo bad at that price other brands are providing snapdragon 650 and octa core processor and look what is there in Lumia 650, even problems are still not solved with Windows 10 mobile !!
  • Microsoft is getting out of hardware.
  • Were they ever really in hardware? The most they have done is dabble with making a few devices, but never a full line of PCs, tablets, phones, accessories, etc.
  • Hmm, i'v read that about 95% mobile phone devices are from Microsoft. So yeah, they were in hardware. But, I don't see any new hardware comming. No Surface 5 or 5 PRO and never a Surface phone.
  • Surface Pro 5 is awaiting Kaby Lake CPUs.
  • Of course, everything is stopped until WP 10 will be ready in the finished edition - ONE. They woke up and find out the needed a new Microsoft beginning - all is renewed, and for this they need optimised hardware ad for these things they need to make the ned software ready. Try to stop up and look two years back, wow everything was terrible old time. In very short time NAdella and few other make a completely new future and all in the company is renewed. Windows 10 all the way around is the best OS when it´s ready, even today it´s great, but I´m sure it will be amazing next year. We are using three Samsung Edge 7 these days, but it´s just anothe bunch of problems, the monitor in dayligt and the processr is great - and thats all, the rest is same kind of problems. I don´t need all these virus - apps they have, it´s a major problem.
  • Actually Microsoft has always been in the hardware business though in the past it was all in peripherals (keyboards, mice, etc).  I think they will be happy in the "Gold Standard" + OEM market.  We show you what you should be building (aka the Surface line) and let the OEMs flesh out the rest of the field.  I am fine with that as long as the Surface phone makes an appearance.  I have bough 3 Lumias and I have never been really all that impressed with the hardware.  It was always fine... just not spectacular.
  • Luv my 930, I get lots of comments about my beautiful phone, especially the camera.
  • Still using my MS Optical Trackball and Ergonomic keyboards on my systems. When MS does hardware, they typically do pretty well, even that tablet computer they had in the 90's.
  • That's true. The only hardware they have ever been into for years is peripherals and Xbox. The Surface line is successful though for newer hardware ventures . Posted via my Moto X Pure Edition using the Windows Central App for Android
  • Microsoft has been producing keyboards, mice, webcams for years. Then the Xbox and now the Surface. They may be a primarily software company but they are definitely in the hardware business too. It's just not their focus. Kinda like Apple's focus isn't really the software but the sale of overpriced hardware.
  • Agreed
  • Exactly
  • I have always liked Microsoft's keyboards and mice. Good quality at reasonable prices. Posted via my Moto X Pure Edition using the Windows Central App for Android
  • True to this. (no signature)
  • Dabbling in hardware probably helped MS, especially when it came to showing what was possible with the PC OS on the Surface line. OEMs were all over the place when iPad started taking off and ppl were saying the death of PCs.
    Google's Nexus program also demonstrated what could be done with OEMs. MS might be attempting to wane off hardware like Google... But perhaps they need to show that it's worthwhile for OEMs. Samsung did great with Android, but not the same can be said about Nokia and WP.
  • I'm not sure whether to be dismayed it dropped by so much, or impressed that they still have any revenue from it at all.
  • Go for impressed as I for one am also surprised :-)
  • Indeed. ;) I actually said "Wow!  How?!"
  • They make zero profit from phones, never have.
  • So having announced they aren't trying to sell phones anymore, and with no advertising at all and mostly negative press, they still managed to sell phones. Yes, I am impressed.
  • Windows 10 Mobile sure was a hit, eh?
  • We saw vhyr give his usual troll "opinion," was wondering how long it would be before you started trolling.
  • Wow, that was unexpected... /irony
  • That's a big number. "MS has said it will continue to support WM" this sounded like they were planning to shut it down, though it never been On in past three years
  • If the MS don't speak for the mobile os means they don't care.
    If the Ms speak for the
    Mobile os means they are lying to us and they will shut it down. *Insert Logic Here*
  • Seems very logical to me.
    All the smartphones with older Brands like nokia(MS),Sony,LG,Apple have very low numbers in the sales cause the very strong competition from the Chinese manufactures like Letv,Huawei,Xiaomi.
    I think the MS has to make just a flagship Like google nexus phone(It will be nice to see the surface phone 2(!!!) build from a big company like Samsung or Hp.) and let some space to some other OEMS...
  • I know the Down votes will be many so.
    HATERS GONNA HATE.
    DEAL WITH IT!!!
  • Lets play a game.
    I have 20 acc.
    If you down Vote me I will Up Vote.
    Let the game begin.
  • ok folks...don't be baited by this guy, just let it go.
  • Oh c'mon.I want to spend some time.I can't sleep ...
  • The point is for the OEMs to make a similar device to the Surface phone like they did with the Surface line
  • Whooh, well Apple isn't old, and Apple and Samsung hold top 2 positions by huge margin so you have painted reallity you would like to see. But it doesn't exist.
  • So apple isn't older than the Xiaomi and they didn't have sales problem with the 6s?or the Sony ?Or the LG?
    People stopped to buy new phones like the past years.I have the 640 xl for 1 year when before 2 years and previous I change my phone every 2 months.
    I don't compare the windows phone with Apple and Android.
    It's a misunderstanding
    It's like to compare windows PC with chrome books.( ...bought one and is a garbage without the internet connection...)
    But I can agree with many in this forum.
    Ms can only change this situation. And to o that they have to add more attention and effort to the OS like the PC. Have a Good night (or a good day) my friend
  • Apple controls more than 90% of profits of the industry at any time. I wouldn't say they have sales problem. Though the industry as itself might have the problem as profitable segments aren't growing anymore.
  • I can agree with you.
    But if the Biggest Oems have sales Problem with the 90% of the market share(ios,android) it will be more efficient for the 3%...
  • Well... i can't be the only one who wants a new lumia but don't buy one because you have to choose between a snapdragon 400 REALLLY? 400?! In 2016!!!!! or a elegant phone with a snapdragon 200... or a flagship with plastic case that in my country costs 780 USD... No middle range phones... No more lumias...
  • If they combine the Design from the 650 with the hardware from the Hp x3 and the price of the 950Xl it will be my next phone.
    Even with the price of the x3 instead of the 950Xl it will be a catch for every one.I will Catch em all...
  • Warning: The spin in here may cause nausea.
  • Warning: The lack of an actual argument or analysis is expected from you.
  • Apply Iceberg from the Titanic to the burn area.LMAO
  • Then, why are you sticking around, you feculent f**kstick?
  • "Feculent f**kstick" I like it !
  • I read it as "idiotic doucebag"
  • Yes, it is. vhyr's and your usual trolling is making me quite sick. Did WP do well? No. But yet, I don't see you out talking up all the products from other companies. Were you gloating when Apple announced their iPhone sales were down? Will you be when, as is predicted, fall when they announce next weeks? I will be reading over at iMore for your usual "in depth" analysis of the situation over there. But we know that will not happen.
  • "Were you gloating when Apple announced their iPhone sales were down? " Yes "Will you be when, as is predicted, fall when they announce next weeks?" Yes "I will be reading over at iMore" That makes one of us I guess.
  • 1) Provide links 2) I will be watching for it. 3) Why will you not be there? You troll here, why not over there?
  • No worries, folks, this is all part of the plan /s
  • MS is playing Chess, not Checkers.
  • We have chess in the store?L
  • Yep, Microsoft is playing chess meanwhile the others are playing tic-tac-toe all by themselves - and still losing.
  • Russian roulette
  • Yes, Satya is a genius.
  •   sad because i really do like the phone.  Hopefully we see some more vendors jump aboard [HP/ACER etc]. Also- i am rather confident W10 mobile was NOT ready when launched and they counted on the fans to suffer through it and well...find the bugs.  If they pushed a major launch in the fall of '15 for w10 on mobile they would have all but needed to shutdown everything down by now....so many bugs/issues...most of which I like to report have been squashed as Redstone 14393 is quite stable.  
  • Too bad, Windows 10 is a great platform maybe better than Android and iOs. But it is all about apps... Somehow developers don't give Windows a chance. Sure there are more android and ios devices nos but it will never get better when developers are skipping Windows. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • A Dutch developer ones had 30 apps in the store. Microsoft removed 25 of them because of minor mistakes (like age classification) in the apps. Now he has 5 left and done with those rules. (No warnings, they just removed them). Not very friendly....
  • Yet a lot of crap apps still make it in the store.
  • That re many reasons why devs abandoned wp, and it s not only for the low marketshare...
  • Profit is the metric which drives app developers. No profits, no developers.
  • Anyone out of college / their parent's house needs to make a living. W10M largely does not provide that. Developers and publishers, for the most part, have nothing against MS (except maybe the constant API / environment switching). MS themselves haven't really led the way either.
  • OMG
    Let's hope the focus on enterprise works because it's official, WP IS DEAD as a consumer device
  • They're just retrenching. They won't stop until they surpass the Mariana.
  • Microsoft is not even trying to get OEMs to make more phones to mobile. Not priority for Microsoft. The Windows 10 Mobile OS is made for enterprise not for consumers. It's secure and restricted. Android is more for consumers. It's very open for OEMs to work with.
  • so open that no updates ever come for older Android phones. hahahaha
  • And they have to root and flash custom ROMs just to get the newest update, which isn't really 100% bug-free. (no signature)
  • Average consumers don't even care about phone OS updates, as long as they have all the apps they need, that's all that matters.
  • What about security problems?
  • That security problems, are ones that will make me to move back again to Windows, only if budget matters though. :(
  • But sometimes apps don't support those older Android OS... except if they want their package size to be bigger and bigger...
  • One of the reasons I don't use Android. Also not too reliable.
  • yeah me too. I've used Android both low-end and flagship phones from 2010-2014 and disliked them all. I've also tried out Blackberry and while the phones are nice, the OS is quite terrible. I would say Windows phones are my favourite.
  • Most Android flagships get more major updates than WP 8.0 flagships though.
  • "The Windows 10 Mobile OS is made for enterprise not for consumers"! you are forgeting that those enterprises would buy those phone for the same users/consumers, maybe ending up with 2 phones as the 'donated' one would be lacking something. 
  • Omg I have a zombie in my hands ...
  • Time to introduce Live Tiles for Android. Make the Windows Mobile 10 skin for Android dammit!
  • Just why?
    I'm really curious.
  • Because many enjoy the look and feel of Windows phones but have given up on it ever being a competing platform with the apps they want.
  • Well said!
  • I love the smoothness and the low RAm usage too.
    If they can do that with the android it will be very nice but I don't see that coming in the next (???) many years(???).
  • I would do it as long as I can put that skin on my 6 year old Android phone (running Android 2.2 Frozen Yogurt, Snapdragon 200, 512 MB RAM, and 480p screen)
  • I agree with that. Most of my friends said that the live tile is "something". But they didnt know the OS yet
  • Getting everything is what everyone is looking for. It already exists. Check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjko68fbL_M
  • this is me! Posted via the Windows Central App for Symbian
  • Microsoft has an Android launcher. It is pretty good too. It doesn't include tiles at all. I wouldn't be surprised if RS2, if it is indeed mobile centric and they don't kill the Surface Phone, has the Arrow launcher and they kill off live tiles. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • oh I don't there are any live tiles theme for Android or Apple
  • There are plenty of Windows phone themes, but getting "Live Tiles" is tougher. When you are not limited in functionality, you don't tend to make something as simple and less useful as Live Tiles. 
  • The Microsoft launcher It's nothing like the wp look and feel.
  • Here you have it https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ss.squarehome2&hl=en It's absolutely possible to do it so...I wouldn't actualy discard the hyphthetis of Microsoft ending up doing that lol
  • Better yet, this is what is possible now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjko68fbL_M
  • The end is near. Again... Well sadly if there's anything that will lure me back to lagdroid it will be this! http://www.nokiapoweruser.com/two-high-end-nokia-android-smartphones-with-android-nougat-flavor-in-works-more-details/
  • They said the same with the blackberry priv.
    Nokia has to re build their brand and add a new mainstream but they have to compete with the Chinese OEMs in terms of hW but in the terms of the VFM.
    I read many posts but I would like to see their Price in the upcoming phone and see If they can stand for many years.(in my country people loves Nokia so I think they will have many costumers but I would like too see for how long..
    Long Live Xiaomi.
  • Nokia will be aiming the phones at the Premium market. So it's on a completely different plateau from Chinese OEMs. Nokia's competition will be the iPhone and the flagships from Samsung, LG, Sony etc. OK, who am I kidding. It'll be the iPhone and Samsung. I'm pretty damn sure any Nokia flagship will quickly overtake Sony, LG and the other brands in the markets where Nokia will be focusing, namely Europe.
  • they need to start taking windows mobile business seriously,  they keep losing more and more. windows mobile need a device that impress not only windows mobile users or previous windows mobile users it need to impress even ios and android users. a third device must compete specifically with iphone and samsung galaxy
  • For a device to be that impressive it cannot be running Windows 10m or at least anything that looks or works like Windows 10m. They need something revolutionary or else it is hopeless.
  • Nokia has designed many beautiful Lumia's in the past, they didn't sell though. You used to always see Android nerds clamoring for a Lumia design that ran Android, because the phones used to be beautiful back in the Fabula days. They don't do that anymore because Lumia's look cheap and ordinary now.
  • Xbox was also down 33%. I think they will keep fighting the good fight because they have to. There will be no UWP success without both platforms. MS should at least release one decent phone that is available on gsm and cdma.
  • Ouch.  
  • Very embarrassing. Surprised they didn't hide the figures
  • Why, they are not actively competing the market. These phones that they have now are being used, with loyal insiders, to foot a new chapter in MS mobile.
  • There's that stupid "loyal" word again.
  • Microsoft sort of did hide the numbers.  They haven't released the number of units sold during the quarter.   The logical reason is that a 10k takes longer to put out than a 8k.  They probably could have made it a point to release the unit sales for the quarter if they chose to do so.  Even Blackberry releases their units sold but at this point Windows Phone is so marginal that the number isn't seen as critical or important to Microsoft.
  • We need OEM's with good mid range phones. There is a big gap in the current offer. Maybe the OEM's don't explore the mid range because winning margins are much smaller and in order to achieve profit lots of units have to be sold...and its a risky business. MS failed to give the example in showing that a mid range with W10M could be sucessuful. And now OEMs don't want to take the risk.
  • Frank Sinatra singing: And now the time is near to face.....
  • What about cloud? Azure
  • Azure revenue was up over 100%.
  • What does Azure have to do with Windows phone sales?
  • I finally gave up about a month ago and got an iPhone.  I've been with MS Mobile since the Samsung Blackjack.  Never had any other phone but an MS powered phone until the recent iPhone purchase.  I have to say, that comparing features and stability between the Lumia 950 I had and the iPhone 6s, there is no contest.  I was on my 3rd Lumia 950 and after lockups, losing cellular signals, lack of apps, I finally just wanted a phone that works.  I am a huge MS fan, but W10 Mobile is just not ready for prime time, and the hardware is just not stable yet either.  I hated to leave, but at some point, you have to move on.
  • No different than me being in the Cellular field and seeing a customer on their 6th iPhone in a year ranging from OS to Hardware issues....my 950 is rock solid as well as the xl
  • Huge MS fan here also (Lumia user since 2011). I agree with what you said. I hate to admit it before, but WM10 is really not yet ready for primetime. For now, I'm patiently waiting for it to mature and for MS to release a great a hardware. I'll settle with my Huawei P9 and iphone 5s for now.
  • I'm a huge fan too, but when is enough enough?
    W8 was awesome software, my 930 is awesome hardware, so how come now, 2 years down the track, it's a sales disaster and the laughing stock of the tech world ? Grossly incompetent management is why.
  • I love my lumia 950, I like how win10 has been ironed out so far. I even like the idea of one low-end, one middle, and one (ok two) high end devices. They might have made a mistake of not going for Lumia 850 (an upgraded 650), but ok... porting apps from iphone seems like a good direction to move to. Anyone who expected 950 to be a boom, should've moved to android/iphone. 950 is one of aids for the rs2 and rs3 to be finally competitive in the next two years or so. Having said that - if MS does not do that- if rs2 and rs3 and surface phone only prove to be just a newer 950, I am afraid I will jump ships in favour of some android flagships in a year or so. Been with wp for more than 3 years, I expect a big step forward with rs2&3 and surface phone.
  • Microsoft made too many mistakes 1 No W10M for xx2 devices
    2. App gap
    3 Cortana
  • 1. Windows 10 on Lumia 521, even 1020 was a pain. That's why it got removed. 2. That's not completely MS's problem. It's the vicious cycle of no devs, so no customers, no customers, so no devs. 3. Cortana does stink in 10 Mobile
  • And you have 2 Lumias that have all the bands and work flawlessly on T-Mobile and decide NOT to approach John Legere. Still scratching my head on the logic
  • I keep reading month after month, year after year that win mob is dead, but I'm still using it and anxiously wait the coming updates. I predict that in five years as I'm using my 2nd or 3rd surface phone, these egg heads will still be saying it's dead. What if these egg heads were in a coma or on life support 30-40 years from now.... And we pulled the plug before they kicked the bucket? Maybe, the Band 40 with Windows surface phone will alert the doctors to not pull the plug.... And save the Egg heads life. The End
  • Damn these trolls are annoying as flys Haha well partially what they say is true though half the time. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android (V10 or Nexus 5X)
  • .I have the 950xl as well as 1520, I prefer the 1520, and use it every day and keep the xl just to see how 10 pans out. The build quality is nothing special. When you hear Ms constantly saying they will continue to support 10 mobile, what does that tell you? Bad move sending out the 950's on 10, bug ridden and once the reviewers got their hands on them they were dead from the start. There is only one phone maker in the world today and that's HTC, they should have been commissioned to make the phone for them, would have made much more sense. You make a flagship product should it be a toilet or an aeroplane you go top notch everything as it's the company's prize!? Right?
    10 could and should be brilliant, we'll wait and see!
  • You're missing the point. The new phones needed to be out there with w10m for w10m to be tested. MS needs a great new OS, ported apps from ios, and some developers from android filling the "gap", even though we know the gap is comprised of handful apps unavailable for wp. They now have the time for surface phone they didnt have with lumias and a fresh w10m. I sure hope they make use of it, so once a complete new surface brand sees the light it should come out impeccable.
  • "The app gap is comprised of a handful of apps" Maybe in YOU'RE world.
  • Name missing apps on wp that you really need; and that those are not: Snapchat, youtube (good third party apps in wp store), pokemon go...
  • HTC? SERIOUSLY? Tell that to Samsung.
  • Shocking.
  • Micrsoft's numbers showed that its overall devices business went down by 33% during the quarter, offset somewhat by the 9% rise in revenue from its Surface division. Kind of off-topic, kind of not, but is "offset" really the word to use here? Since that 9% is included in that 33%. Had there not been a 9% increase it would have been 34% drop (or something), but that was offset by the 9% rise, so the overall drop was 33%. As for the actual content; if you stop making hardware, you won't be able to sell it, hardly surprising.
  • It was expected
  • Doesn't surprise me considering they abandoned the original hubs idea.  They killed Zune music for a worse music experience where they force you to use OneDrive. They shrunk our free OneDrive space. They kept re-writing the OS to do the same thing after 7.5 instead of making it better.  And oh yeah, they put all the good Microsoft apps on competing platforms and sometimes gave iOS and Android the better versions.  And that's why I rock a Nexus 6 after owning 10 Windows Phone.
  • I understand your perspective. However, remember that MS is always trying to make things better. Take a look at the positive side. Groove is a new fresh app that listens to its users' feedback and adds new features. OneDrive still gives plenty of space, but they shrunk it because people were using 75TB of space which requires many hard drives in Microsoft's cloud warehouses. Win10 mobile is improving. I know we don't like certain changes but there's nothing we can do. It is what it is. Be happy about the new things we have now. :) Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Microsoft is trying make money.  Which is fine. But it's never fine when you take away features that you already had and pretend like everything is fine.  If I was new on this Microsoft train then maybe I would believe it's all good.  But I've been a customer for a long long time and I can say that it was all good until they started to re-write to OS and that damn loading circle starts popping in for every little move you make on your phone.  Took away Zune for the garbage that was Xbox Music. Las straw (for me) was when they took away OneDrive space. The only thing keeping me around is Xbox gaming.  It's the ONLY good thing that Microsoft has going for them.  BTW, get ready to pay a subscription for that Windows 10 PC!  It's coming!   And don't think you're going to get grandfathered in to anything.  We sure as hell didn't get grandfathered in to our OneDrive storage.
  • I agree the loading circle things are annoying. I also understand your frustration with Zune. Luckily it still exists for download! I also agree about the paid subscription but I know how to hack things for free so it doesn't matter for me. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • It is time for Nokia to resurrect!
  • Windows Central and Crackberry are looking awfully similar nowadays. Maybe they should just merge them.
  • Well in the mobile aspect but not in the desktop or tablet. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I am not worried about this and I don't think ms is either. They have a plan. They are streamlining their process. They are focused on enterprise where in the next few years we will see them make huge strides in. Especially when you start see continuums use explode.
  • Will not be easy to see the continuum use explode if it is limited to enterprise usage. MS has to bring continuum to the masses ASAP. Otherwire the competition will appear with a better solution in the following years and MS loses the upper hand.
  • Actually, both Apple and Google are moving towards features like Continuum. Apple has the feature were phone calls and state of programs is interchangeable between mobile and desktop. Then, for Google there are rumors of merging Chrome OS with Android which means features between their OS will be merged.
  • Android already had phones that turn into a computer years ago, and nobody was interested.
  • Just like tablets, and touch screens were around years before they became big. It is all about timing. I remember my mother was working at uofm hospital and she would bring home a tablet that doctors would use to write on and the program would learn his hand writing and change it text. It was suppose to help eliminate wrong prescriptions being ordered for patients. This was early 2000's I believe.
  • Well well well what did they think would happen, what let's release 2 phones this year? O let not forget they pissed off Verizon so there's another group of customers gone, and now the best, wait for it " sign up a lot of windows phone enthusiast insiders to do your testing with there Devices right too the end then tell us ones with older Devices, by the way your phone is not on the list! Its amazing the market share is what is is. I said it before they need better marketing dept. O yeah they just laid them off too.. Well maybe Dona might start doing a few ads and boost sales.
  • Who will buy without apps and games
  • 0.7% of consumers.
  • 0.7% was the good old times. Not so rosy anymore.
  • Microsoft uses the stradegy of leaving things incomplete and letting third parties fill in the gaps.   Although that might work well for server based or development platforms in enterprise environments, it doesn't bold very well with the average end user.    I have a 950, a S7 active and my wife uses an Iphone6s.  Although I love Windows 10 mobile, it seems like there are to many things about it that are incomplete.  Even with the current verions matained by the carriers (My case AT&T), the glitches and inconsistancies are overwhelming.  They need to quickly fill in the gaps and clean it up, otherwise how else do you plan to compete with more mature systems such as Android and IOS.    Yes, I've used the slow and fast ring releases, they weren't any better.
  • Well.. no commercial here in Sweden and the phones just don't look any good. I did switch to galaxy s7 Edge from an many years with Nokia and Windows phones but I had to change. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Can't count on MS. They burn so many early adopters. Abandoned Zune, Windows Phone 7, Windows 8 Phone, half-assing music subscription, SkyDrive/OneDrive. Burned burned burned. Even as a fan, I cannot recommend it to anybody anymore.
  • Surface RT too. edit: Band 1st gen too IIRC (never bought one myself)
  • As long as their next flagship phone has the top notch Pureview camera, and have continuing update from Whatsapp, Viber, Spotify, myTube/Perfect Tube, I will stay with Microsoft
  • I know it might be too obvious but does it run Pokémon Go?
  • I just find it fascinating how Microsoft wants mobile to succeed but they don't give it any effort. Surface phones at best will be business phones. They need to find a way to get consumers envolved and they are going to need help. I wish it was the companies main priority.
  • Microsoft poured tens of billions into mobile for less than 1% market share.  Lots of effort for very little return over the past 10 years.   Not surprising when they decide to put their billions somewhere that will make not lose money. 
  • Market share at its peak was almost 4% and rising every year. It could have been 5% and rising now with UWP but instead MS 'retrenched'
  • Not having the apps everyone else has is killing the phone I know people leaving because of it.  BUt as new apps come oout they are not making it to the windows phone.  The more apps they lose the more customers they lose.  They have to fix the apps before they fix the phone.
  • Add me to those who will switch back to android anytime soon.
  • W10m is the future and has a huge margin to improve. Ios and android will copy live tiles and continuum. Who looks at a screen full of static widgets can't be serious saying that's the way to go. W10m is on the right path focusing on business. Everyone likes the feeling of showing of how big of a suit he or she is. Just make the high end hardware. bling bling and you are set. Love my 640. Best phone ever.
  • You think Live Tiles are all that matters, and that competitors will copy them, that's pretty funny. Apps are all that matters for smartphone platform success.
  • Holy ****. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the ******* **** are the profits down? This can't be happening. I'm having a ******* breakdown. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want an ecosystem to believe in. I want Windows to be on phones and fix this broken app gap. I cannot ******* deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought it was selling well in Europe???? This is so ******.
  • You need to go get some help. If you seriously are getting this upset over a mobile phone, you've got massive problems. Your Mom delivering Chicken nuggets to your room probably isn't helping you either.
  • Sometimes I get incredibly bored with standard analysis and in truth I am contemptous at times with Microsoft's attempts at hardware and Nokia's before that.  It's like all the people that was surprised that the housing market imploded in 2007/2008.  If first time buyers are priced out of the market, those flipping and trading up can't sustain inflated house values.  Absolutely predictable...  If significant segments of finance is over leveraged and trading tranches including morgages that are basically fraudulently valued, a crash in home values reverberates right into the financial sector. Nokia really could not create a flagship phone or anything close to it that wasn't gimped by some lame design decision.  Good riddance Nokia.  May my 920 weigh down your corporate corpse. Microsoft, who's corporate slogan can arguably be expressed by whatever would be the Latin phrase for "they who consistently shoot themselves in the foot" follow in Nokia footsteps, even to the point of buying their phone division.   Only to walk much of it back, and supposedly want to by-in-large stop making hardware.  Might as well because you stopped making sense some time ago I'm not going to write anymore, I can't stand the lag writing on this site.  If I feel like wasting my time further I'll write in Word and paste..  
  • Yeah, I mean who's surprised, I would imagine this is what they were talking about. Refocusing... Because if they didn't think their sales would fall because of it.tbeyre not very good at basic business theory. ☺️ Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I haven't seen a Windows Phone ad on TV for years. No other explanation needed.
  • Nadella in your face. Stop writing your book and deal with this.
  • This may be not the phones fault. It is due to windows sw problems..
  • Naturally it's the OS. If I could've grabbed a 950 with Android,, especially with the current price, I would've done so. As it was the closest I could get was the Nexus 5X.
  • R.I.P Windows 10 mobile after a year.
  • Next year windows phone will be in coffin......and surface phone is just a fake....if it will come,nothing much will be changed......totally false hopes.......
  • Time for another reboot.
  • I feel that all Windows Phone should be Equipped with Carl Zeiss Lens like 950 & both front and Rear camera should be Ziess, Then People will show Interest in Buying good Camera Phone. Its selfie crazy people out there who would spend on better camera phone than others. Regarding Internal storage...it should start from 64GB version for Windows also if provided IR Blaster with finger print Option that will surely make a Good Deal.
  • Other phones have better cameras and apps to take advantage of the camera. It will not help Windows phone at all. They need to completely change the branding and UX if they want to be successful. Obviously people do not like it. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I fear changing branding and UX won't help much as long as there is nothing in W10 that interests consumers enough that they can forgive the lack of apps. I have no idea what that could be. Enterprise might like some of its features though.
  • It is really hard to get hands on windows phone already. They make it more harder with reducing creating phones...
  • They know that window mobile 8.1 and 10 didn't appeal to the main stream and did nothing Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Just waiting for Nokia to comeback and then I'm done with Windows Phone/Mobile
  • My wife is always away from tech news, but today she found out that Nokia is going to offer a couple of new handsets. She's willing to throw far far far far away her Lumia 830. From Windows Phone lover to Windows 10 Mobile hater. Even for PC, as her laptop always lost Wi-Fi settings after every update.
  • You're waiting for Chinese companies to print 'Nokia' on their phones and pay Nokia royalties for that? Well there's no need to worry, that is surely going to happen as Nokia likes money (who doesn't) and Chinese companies like to print Nokia on their phones.
  • HMD and Nokia are from the same country. Nokia having board seat at HMD and HMD key personnel being ex-Nokia.
  • Things seem going downhill. MS give us some hope. We as fans are putting up with a lot by staying loyal to Windows phones. Give us some respect.
  • Turns out the person who cuts my hair is a fellow WP user. It is nice but rare to meet another WP user.
  • Could be a former WP dev.
  • With 6.5 billion people on the planet, the odds of 2 WP fans bumping into each other is seriously big odds, impressive.
  • Not surprising. Although we have the options of some of the best phones at the best prices. Will be interesting to see if a focus on high end phones based on the surface brand will work. Certainly the low end has been taken back by android. Will be interesting how what apple are doing will impact this approach if in fact it does happen.
  • Those golden days...
    http://www.windowscentral.com/over-one-million-windows-phone-81-preview-...
  • I miss those days
    http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-generated-billion-revenue-its-fy...
  • Support = end-of-life care. Keep the patient comfortable for a little while longer so users can have time to say goodbye.
  • i agree with you
  • i am not surprised at all, they have been on the cloud 9 removing features and ignoring what was being requested from the feedback. concetrating on useless cosmetics that was never requested by users e.g those picture cirles. If someone tries to point out those shortcomings, all hell would broke loose from other commentetors here, as others being selfish, they forgot that MS has to sell the phones to other countries which have different needs on features, mainly the ones they were removing. why is 8.1 being taken as the best of them all, w10m is good but it has been stripped of some of the features that you get on 8.1 as well as on android. bring back all the features that you removed, Cortana is not international they refused to give one that doesn't mind the region. FM radio was removed, here maps removed, gestures removed, can't edit contact labels, battery tile removed, 
  • I'm gone when my contract is up if this doesn't improve. It's so annoying because I have office 365 and 91.6GB of stuff in my one drive which I've had to move from iCloud, to google drive to OneDrive whilst snapping photos over time.
  • People are scared to purchase new windows phone because after win10 upgrade Mobile is not stable, worst Battery backup, half of the apps has app scaling issues, lot of bugs..... Win 8.1 Mobile OS is very stable then win 10 Lack of apps is one issue, less support from MS resolving current production build issues make new users opt for Android phones. MS is only concentrating on its insider builds and really ditched production build users.... People are out of patience...
  • I love windows mobile, although feel sad in that it just feels it's on life support. Although MS objective has all but withdrawn from the consumer space on the phone side, they need to be aware that loss of traction on the consumer side in having windows as the os of first choice, could spread to the business space and once that happens then another IBM in the making. Yes mobile has been a loss leader, but with the exception of USA, windows phone was starting to grab double digit market share in other countries, especially in Europe, mainly due to the efforts of Nokia. The key question is whether OEM's will pick up the space, but with market share reverting to minuscule volumes, and the app gap. These two combined creates a self feeding circle leading to where we are at now. I really hope that MS can turn out something special in the shape of a surface phone. Which preferably come in two flavours to cater for premium high end and mid price points.
  • personally i like my 950xl, i have grown to like w10m, and live tiles are still killer.   yep i get random wifi and bluetooth crapouts (waiting for the ota firmware update patiently!) Otherwise after numerous updates my battery life is really good.   my wife has moved from win10m on a lumia 930 to android on nexus 6p. she misses windows phone (7/8/10) in terms of it's UI and usability and live tiles BUT the app gap has become more apparent now than ever after using her phone. linkedin app on windows is an embarassment, outlook isnt as good as on ios or android and there are numerous apps that simply arent available or are being retired (e.g., amazon).   i dont understand why MS dropped the ball and purposely crashed windows phone - we used to have 10% share in the EU5 region which is pretty good considering ios is hovering at aronud 17% these days.   i work in in technology consultancy - i know integrating companies is difficult and the rest of it. i understand why ballmer acquired nokia. i understand my nadella wasn't too happy. i dont understand why by hook or crook MS didn't give the surviving nokians a mandate to grow  or even maintain the eu5 market share. Say what you want but nokia and it's workers are some of the most respected in the industry. i guess part of the issue was that the mobile OS itself has been through many changes  - fwiw i understand the win ph7/8 transition (i.e., CE kernel to MinWin) - what they did was effectively introduce the WinPH to the world as early as possible... but today there are no excuses - win10m is the end game - this is the time when we should have been firing on all cylinders.
  • Apple only sells $700 phones, so 17% market share means something. Microsoft was only selling $30 phones, and that was just because of Nokia. It was Nokia that decided to stop selling Windows phones, not Microsoft. Obviously it wasn't working for Nokia. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Well, this happens when you abandon countries like India and Brazil...
  • Its other other way around. They abandoned those countries because they were losing money.
  • Surface phone will come out on a fully ready OS. I hope they have some nice hardware features to attract general public, and some of the most important missing apps ported from ios. Offering a complete packge, and an acceptable price range could claim the marketshare.
  • Surface Phone will never be released. The HP will prove that enterprise doesn't want Windows phones and Microsoft won't have any thing revolutionary to release. It will go the way of Surface Mini and McLaren. Microsoft will kill Windows Mobile due to lack of sales. Microsoft knows they need a game changing device, and anything running Windows 10m in its current form will never be game changing. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Quickly calculating could be that smarts sold in the neighborhood of 1 million units. Revenue for previous quarter being more than double of current and if mix of smarts and features and ASP were similar. That would put Windows Phones Q2 market share to less than 0.5%.
  • Excellent.. Great to hear this.. Without the required update support Microsoft mobile is doomed!
  • Paul Thurrott will be around soon to apologize for this and tell you how it's a good thing.
  • Every good thing need time to evolve... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I wonder what Microsoft would do to market a return or push into the phone business in their planned 2017 breakout without doing something really radical. Android midrange phone lineup is in the game and to get there, they had to shake up the android market with the 820 chipset, 4 and 6 gigs of ram, 4k, expansion slots, and even including VR headgear and an unlocked price point at 350-400 bucks.
  • Whilst this gives the details of the WP performance,  it's not exactly news for any of us, who know how little MS did over this period for phone sales - it's just confirmation.   Once there's a sustained period of the OS performing solidly, then it provides the opportunity for WP to be viewed as a strong contender for any hardware provider to use.  I wouldn't have adopted the 10 that was released too early, if I'd been in the OEM sector, due to its poorer performance than was rightly expected by the market.  These numbers reflect a somewhat dire position that MS was in, though it's now emerging from.   The trend is towards people just using one device but the current tablets, phones and computers could be left in the trail of something that is truly ground breaking.  Who creates that is another matter, as well as whichever OS it's powered by.
  • GIVE NOKIA SOME MONEY TO START THEIR PHONE BUSINESS BACK UP. YOU NEVER SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT THEM OUT.
  • Nokia wouldn't touch Windows phone again with a 39 foot pole. Unlike Microsoft, they know when it is time to give up on something. Their new phones that are coming will be running Android. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • No one should be surprised
  • I'm sticking with wp until its completely over. I've been with them since 2010.
  • It was completely over in 2010.  You wasted 6 years.
  • Come on guys give W10M a break, Android has been around since 2008 and till date it still has bugs, Apple IOS has been around since 2007 and it still has its fair share of bugs. W10M is going to be marking it's first year of existence in couple of days and you guys are bashing it so hard as this, maybe instead of us crying like babies saying W10M is dead, maybe we should we should support it. Maybe that would give Microsoft it needs to create a new surface quicker, knowing that it's so called fans it's care if they provide a phone. It's didn't take Android or Apple a year or so to get all those apps in there store. Give Microsoft a break here they are really trying to please as much people as they can without inconveniencing their company (by releasing updates after updates to amend problem, do you think if they don't see future with W10M do you think they would really be bother since they don't really make a lot of money from it anyway). Let's give W10M a bit mote time and let see what a great success it would become. So stop complaining or just **** off to android or apple.
  • Well, I have had Nokia for 20 years my last being 930, great phone, always superb build quality. Hated Apple, been given an iPhone from work, now I am.starting to realise that MS need to be doing something about the lack of apps. Slowly wing tempted away from something I rate highly
  • A problem is that Microsoft has earlier lost the Mobile Phone market. So you think, that won't happend twice.. Yes, they Will No More 100 percent focus at the Mobile Phone of surface. No More 100% focus at the integretad apps from Android. For example. Pokemon Go, still available By Android, iPhone and W10? Ofcourse not...why... Not enough users ... So think big. Sell your cheapest High End Phone and give developers free budget to create All New top apps from Android and iPhone .. Maybe you win them Back. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • This is great news! I wanted it to drop so hard so that Microsoft can get their **** together
  • Windows phones are DOA.  Since they don't care, people don't care. 
  • MS did manage to revive Skype which is good, but Nokia phone division and LinkedIn was a very bad idea.
  • i wish there was a way to turn this around, but there isn't. it's too late. ballmer screwed WP over, and it never moved forward. If MS hadn't been idiots, it would be "app available on iOS and Windows Phone" and android would have been the odd man out. ballmer smirked at the iPhone and thought it was stupid. shows what an idiot he is.
  • Well my contract runs out in 18 months time (out of 24) so if there isn't a surface phone by the end of 2017 I'm going have to have up my coat and go back to iPhone. I say iPhone because Androids are the worst of the worst. Windows Phone has the BEST operating system, but they just aren't focusing on it and it's starting to fall behind.
  • because if i m buy windows phone 8.1  or 10 or 7 i most placeit in recycle bin !  due to the stop updates  and the stopping support for many apps   i  m want buy windows phone today but i maybe rollback my choice . MICROSOFT !! PLEASE DO NOT STOP SUPPORT FOR PHONES ! DAMN !     
  • It"s dead