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Stack Overflow survey suggests dev interest in Windows Phone is crashing, but what does it mean for Windows 10?

Stack Overflow is one of the biggest and most popular tools for developers and once a year the site conducts a rather large user survey to get the lay of the land.

A few days ago, Stack Overflow posted the results of their 2016 Developer Survey that had 50,000 responses from 173 countries. The results are always interesting for all categories, but at least for Windows Phone things are nosediving.

Some of the highlights from their write-up are sobering:

  • 0.1% of respondents consider themselves Windows Phone Mobile Developers (only 59 respondents)
  • By gender, 0.0% Windows Phone developers are female
  • Under 'Trending Tech' on Stack Flow Windows Phone dropped 65.2% (iOS +3.1%, Android +2%)
  • By next year's survey, fewer than 50% of developers may be using Windows (26.2% are on Mac OS X)
  • Mobile Developers, who know the iOS ecosystem, seem to earn about $10,000 more on average than Android Developers

Now, in fairness many developers consider themselves 'cross-platform' and not 'Windows Phone only.' There, around 8.4% of respondents classify themselves as Android, iOS, and Windows Phone cross-platform developers.

Not Windows Phone but Windows 10?

Likewise, developers for just Windows Phone and not, say, Windows 10 as a whole is becoming much rarer both by design and reduced market share. Developers instead can target all of Windows 10 using many languages like C, C++, C#. In that sense, a drop in those aligning themselves as just 'Windows Phone' is expected.

Speaking of, C# is "loved" by 62% of respondents while a full 60% "dread" Objective-C (used primarily for iOS). The C# programming language is also the #5 'Top Tech' on Stack Overflow trailing JavaScript, Java, Android, and Python.

While general interest by developers in Windows Phone specifically is completely tanking, it is not clear what that means for Windows 10 and UWP. Developers no longer need to chase the small Windows Phone audience and instead can make a Windows 10 app for PC using C# (and other languages) and use the UWP to create a Phone version almost as an afterthought.

Still, we have heard from some sources that general interest in UWP, so far, is lower than what Microsoft would like. Perhaps once Xbox and HoloLens are lit up as developer options this summer that will begin to change. For now, all the momentum is still with iOS and Android.

Next week is the 2016 Build conference and it will be fascinating to hear feedback from current Windows developers about the state of Microsoft.

Thanks, kopte3, for the tip!

Daniel Rubino
Executive Editor

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

  • Ouch. Enormous Band-Aids to cover such wound don't exist.
  • I just don't understand what UWP is even for.  On PCs, people have full applications to do "real work" and the Web for everything else.  I just don't see a role for "apps" anywhere.  That's true on tablets, too, by the way, since tablets offer a pretty full-featured Web experience. Without a presence in the phone space, the whole UWP idea is DOA.
  • UWP is for all things that run Windows 10 from Hololens to Band (once it runs Windows 10). Doesn't mean all apps will support the wide range, but that it's supposed to be technically possible.
    Now how it will play out is completely up in the air, but taking for example the Windows Central app it would be quite possible to have it display differently in Hololens (maybe like a rolodex of articles), how it displays currently on PC, Tablet, Phone, and then have like a article flipping version for the Band all running roughly the same back end with the only modification being to the UI based on the device.
  • No, but there's an 80% chance they own a Windows PC. And if you make a Windows PC app, the effort to make it compatible with Windows Mobile is minimal.  Let that sink in for a minute.
  • That's only true if you make an app using UWP.  But why would you do that?  So you can target phones?  But there are no phones. There's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza.
  • No, X I'm TC, when you make a Store App on Windows, it is by default a UWP app (give or take pressing the right button is VS). The conversion effort is just around XAML, and screen / UI layout. But thats minial effort once you made the app. Windows 10 mobile is great, but its just got no mindshare in the consumer space (its doing well in Enterprise).  Hololens and Band isn't going to cut it. I suspect Surface Phone is the last thing able to drive up adoption.
  • Interesting, because The Wall Street Journal turned out a fantastic Windows 10/Mobile app. They did that despite "no one" owning a Windows Mobile device, as you say. And, it took just two people 3 months to develop the app, and half of that time was spent tweaking the UI details to match what WSJ wanted, to fit their brand. This is per the guy that wrote the app. The beauty of UWP is being able to write a single application to run on any Windows device you want. If you write a mobile app, making that app work on the desktop or tablet is relatively easy, and vice versa. No need to have to write completely separate apps for each device, as has been the case in the past. And the more UWP develops, the more I think we'll move away from Win32 for many applications. After all, most applications aren't that complicated. Hell, even Office, which is complicated, is now effectively a UWP if I'm not mistaken.
  • Use the browser version of this site without extensions, then use the app. Come back and explain the experience.
  • My work computer, which is a Citrix box, can't even load this bloated site. I can literally go anywhere on the web with that terminal except this site.
  • Yeah this site is ridiculously bloated. Can hardly use it on my desktop let alone phone lol
  • This is also infecting other mn properties but not because of ads
  • Why would I ever visit any Web site without extensions?
  • Do you use Edge on a W10 phone? No extensions, yet. I agree that some websites are better than their apps, but the reverse is also true. Netflix is great on my PS4, not so much on my TVs and W10. I'm also a big fan of legacy apps as they are all that exist for the type of work I do. It really comes down to the developer and which interface they choose to make superior.
  • Honestly I have no problems loading this site with Edge. Not trolling seriously
  • For real? Windows Central in Edge (and pretty much any browser I've tried) sucks on all my machines, top end Surface Pro and a top end desktop i7 self-build. Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • Works like a charm in Safari, OS X :D
  • Win32 apps will be deprecated: They aren't safe (you nedd an AV+antispam+...) and require A LOT of work to be 100% cool from 720 up to 4K. Browsers are anything but safe. UWP apps doesn't suffer from fishing and other browser issues.  
  • I don't even know what you're talking about.  You most certainly don't "need" AV any more.  What ships with Windows is more then adequate.  Indeed, in 30 years of using PCs I've only ever had a virus scanner pop up a warning once, and it was for a macro virus in a Word document that I was retrieving off of a 5.25" floppy disk (which I had to find an ancient computer to rip the drive out of to even access).  Word itself would have caught and warned me about the malicious macro. As for browsing the Web, if you turn off Flash and Java, except on trusted sights where you actually need them, it is close to perfectly safe.  I'm a Firefox user and I am unaware of a single "in the wild" exploit against a current version of Firefox that allowed execution of code in years.  There have been a handful of obscure , cross-cite scripting bugs, but that's it. In contrast, on a number of occasions Store apps have been updated, breaking core functionality, been removed by developers, and even on a couple of occasions been pulled off of my phone remotely by MS (for copyright or similar).  That is to say, "security" issues on win32 have been zero, but on store apps have been several.  You may say, "Those aren't really security problems," but I would counter that whether by virus or design, if I lose functionality and can't get it back, that represents a violation of the sanctity of my computing environment.  I'll take my chances with win32, and save 30% in the process, any day.
  • Of course there's no point in argue with someone that distort things. But I will try, one more time: -What ships with windows is an AV because you need one, see? and even the best AV on the market misses at least 20% of infections. -I don't care if one person does not have problems in 30 years. Good for you BUT pc's should be for everyone, not just for the ones who know what they have to do. Whatever it is they shouldn't have to. -Glad you're not aware of a single security issue, that's the main goal of any exploit, you know? -Store apps have some issues like any other win32 apps. IF Ms removes yours(?), well, AV removes mines, so... -If you are using ilegal apps, you should be stoped. By any and all means necessary!   You have the right to fight against something you don't like if you think it's useful. Fortunately most people are starting to get why UWP apps are the future. Expecially devs that are tired of making one app for each platform.
  • Umm, I myself make win32 programs (WPF) and why wouldn't be my program safe?
  • Really? you need to ask? Because I can make a virus and infect it! or I can read & erase it's files. Or a power failure can make me lose data if you don't save it to a cloud....
  • Of course, any developer can insert a virus into a program. Those developers who make stuff like that, aren't real developers for me. I agree, there is a lot of junk win32 program out there, but that doesn't mean that all of them are unsafe.
  • 99%+ people wouldn't know the difference between safe and unsafe.
  • If "my virus" meet you win32 program on a pc, your program will help me spread the virus and there's nothing you can do about that.
  • IDK how a virus could attack a simple ID3 editor and then help it spread it. I'm not that advanced in developing programs jet. Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10 Mobile
  • They inject code on your app and when I copy your app to my friend's pc, whell... it starts all over again.
  • They point is someone else can infect your program.
  • Exactly, I don't know why more people don't get this
  • People like to complain about all the issues of old Windows, and how it was so prone to viruses and such...what they don't realize is that UWP apps are sandboxed (they don't even know what that means), I gladly updated my 73yr old Dads PC with W10, installed all the apps he needs, added AD Block extensions to Chrome just in case, and he hasn't had any issues since. if your ignorant enough to open attachments from unknown sources, you should really second guess using a computer all together.
  • Yes, why would pcs be for everyone, right?
  • Full applications will always be popular on the desktop but some UWP apps have their place. The Netflix UWP app is nice, for instance. Many games can be UWP and usable on both desktop and mobile. Some simple things work as UWPs too like the Calculator app built into Windows 10. They're also making a real UWP Skype app apparently, too. 
  • Netflix is a perfect example of why they don't have a place.  The browser version of Netflix is far superior to the App.  And, even if Netflix decides to focus on the app, that's a choice.  There's nothing you'd ever want a Netflix app to that they couldn't do in a browser.  Indeed, I think we need to start getting away from apps altogether.  The Web is where all development of anything that doesn't require direct access to the bare-metal of a PC be done.
  • WebOS! How I mourn thy loss .
  • Was so, so good.  Imagine where it would be today if HP hadn't sold it down the river.
  • UWP is .NET Core.  Which is the foundation for all forward going microsoft tech.  .NET desktop with be a superset of .NET core, but UWP and .NET Core will be the primary focus of all forward going APIs which will trickle to the desktop also.  .NET core is also the basis of Windows 10 (2016?) Nano Server, Windows 10 IOT, XBox One, ASP.Net Core and probably the basis of any IOS, OSX, Android, Linux Cross platform development (UAP? Universal App Platform)  So basically if you want to target everything with in reason you can target UWP and get everything else for a very little extra work.  As a developer, I can say I sure am interested.
  • When they turn it on on Xbox, it could be huge for indie games devs. Having your game on both platforms without extra effort would be great Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Right, so to do "real work" you often need to install software programs... How are apps any different? People like games on their PC too, and not always AAA titles. Of course the type of apps wanted are often different between a desktop, tablet, and mobile... But the need is still there.
  • UWP isn't about Windows Phone. It's a modern application model that laying the ground work for "Windows Everywhere" and modern software engineering trends.
  • Don't worry guys! Afterthought Windows Mobile apps are coming!
  • Yeah its aggravating to know they'll fill Xbox mp with $hit just to justify ws on w10 when they cant commit to rt just because they thought it needed a special version of Office
  • My offer for you is simple: buy android, download some skins that make it similar to wp. And The while having all apps you wanted to have, wait to see if situation with wm apps changes and then maybe get back, because MS will never add ability to install and run apk's. Otherwise you'll be waiting forever... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Makeup on a pig...
  • Agreed. I'm on a Galaxy Note 3 with a WP skin and I hate it. It's better than dealing with regular Android.. I guess.. but I never had this many problems with Windows Phone. Apps are constantly crashing, the phone gets so hot it often feels like I microwaved it, my GPS loses is signal every time I use it AND goes silent when I make a wrong turn (all 5 GPS apps I've tried)... It's unbelievable. Android is terrible. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • OMG....That is not a positive news for sure!!
  • Better write another 5000 word essay about how Windows Phone is not dead.
  • Ha ha ha
  • Lol!
  • Apply cold water to burnt area..
  • Almost, 4k words ;) Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • You guys really don't get how developing a apps goes, don't you? Look, for example, if I'm developing a UWP app, and want to know how to use a file picker for example, I will type in Google "UWP file picker", not "Windows Phone file picker". Heck, even If I was developing a Silverlight or XAML app for Windows Phone 8.1, I would search by tags as "Windows Phone 8.1 Silverlight" or "Windows Phone 8.1 XAML"...
  • The folks posting here didn't create the survey and its criteria. Not that I'm aware.
  • Too bad Microsoft hasn't created a surface phone already.
  • Yep. Hurry the hell up.
  • Not sure why so many believe that a surface phone will have any impact. Most people are already entranced in thier ecosystem of choise. Microsoft will need to create the need for thier new ecosystem first. Maybe Xbox will be able to do that but I do not believe that a surface phone will do it.
  • How exactly do you reckon that will help any? Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • Like that'll change anything....
  • Completely irrelevant to the app situation
  • Lol surface phone is a thought experiment like umpc was it was ahead of its time, cost a lot, & implementation flawed
  • Going Blackberry way i suppose!!
  • dev interest *in Windows Phone... :)
  • I wouldn't read TOO much into it if those numbers are for people who consider themselves "windows phone developers". It would seen mode Lewiston to consider yourself a Windows/.Net developer who develops for the UWP. At least that's how if frame it if asked about my own desktop/mobile development.
  • Someone has brains and thus the ability to read statistics...nice...
  • Well, I just wrote new app for UWP, again. SmallTextViewer ☺
  • and 50% users cant officialy upgrade to Win 10m
  • same happens to android darling, not every android device gets to see the next update, stop being such a drama queen, in fact, most of the devices never get to see any update. For example Galaxy S3 Neo came with 4.3 and got updated only to 4.4 and that`s about it. If the device will run bad on the new Win 10 then let it be on 8, at leats it runs.
  • But those devices apparently can still get apps so definitely not the same effect having an older OS version.
  • Indeed, that's something that those Microsoft defenders tend to forget. No matter if you are on Kitkat, Lollipop or Marshmallow, you'll be able to use the same apps from the play store. Developers can reach all of them. It isn't like MS' switch from WP8.1 to W10m
  • Right, but isn't that balanced by the radically different hardware out in the Android world? When I talk to Android devs they say targeting all of the different phone models is the problem, not so much the OS.
  • It's a pain to target all those phones but it's such a huge market it makes sense to do it. Having two completely different platforms for WP8 and UWP means you'll probably only support one and either lose WP8 or PC users.  With Android the worse case scenario is having some crashes on a specific model and having to figure it out. That's where things like Xamarin Test Cloud come in to help you out.
  • Actually the phones that don`t get Win 10 most of them are old entry level phones that the users probably don`t even care about Win 10 or can`t even run most of the new stuff found in Win 10, so why waste dev power to even make those devices run Win 10 ?
    Tough there are few handsets that are not entry level but since users reported slow or bat performance on Win 10 why on earth would you want Win 10 on that device ? As with all good things there comes a time when you have to leave it behind and get a new one. You might not like it but if we go with this mentality then MS should have made Win 10 be able to run on 480 computers because why not ?
  • Sure that's true but MS should be able to at least get 8.1.2 out to those affected by the lack of qa on mw10
  • Google didn't. Yet you still have a possibility to install a different (newer) ROM unofficially. Regardless the reason (no support from vendor, not happy with ROM). What do you get having older Lumia? Answer to yourself.
  • @ArnieT  We have insider program that gives you Win 10 even to unsuported devices. No need to figure out how to root your old 512 MB ram phone that will work bad on Win 10 or latest Android OS anyway.  Being mad at MS for this is just as being mad at them because your Pentium III and 256 MB PC can`t run Win 7 / 8 / 10. Smartphones have evolved in 9 years just as PC evolved in 30. Expect some old lower entry phones to not have that much of support.  And i repeat myself, people who got 512 MB ram phones usually don`t give a damn about Win 10, they just use them as a phone. The only prolem here was MS`s enthusiast that they could bring Win10 to all devices, and they tried but as the Insider program proved them, it was a wrong decision. If the program wouldn`t exist, the OS would probably went live for all Win devices and then all hell would break loose with people complaining that their devices are slow and so on...  With old hardware vs new software there`s no way you can make everybody happy, i understand the people who complain that apps for win 10 will not be available in the Win 8 store.. but the Win10 store is the way to go for MS and it`s a neccesary step, sadly for some other people stuck with old phones. Good part in Romania is that i can find very good Lumia 930 phones on SH market as low as 130 euros :)
  • Well, for how long? Redstone will cut it for good. Even though L920/925 is old, W10 works fine on them. Yet they are left behind.
    What actually makes me sad is forced killing of version 8/8.1 (desktop/mobile). By any means necessary. That is the thing. Letting it die eventually is more acceptable. I want to use my phone more than the phone.
    Same thing apllies to forced upgrade from W7 to W10 on desktop. Crappy idea.
  • You`re asking MS to do something that no other competitor is doing, support every older phone with the new software. The Lumia 920 (launched 2012) has Snapdragon S4 Plus CPU, same found in Galaxy S3, that`s Android 4.3 max, release date july 2012 for a phone that was released on 29 may 2012.
    Android 4.3, launched  the same year that the phone came out, S3 did not have 4.3 at launch, was the last version of android that the phone got, a year later since it takes time for Samsung or other devices to get any android updates (unless you have a Nexus device or Apple). You said you could root, i rooted my S3 with Android 5.1.1 (now in my father`s possesion), it works only without apps, as soon as i install Facebook or any other apps the phones starts to crawl, the ram is not enough to drive the OS + apps. And also we are talking about 4 year old phones here. The only issue here is that MS can`t support the same Store on Win 8.1 and 10, i`m no dev an i can`t tell you why they can`t make it the same store.
  • W10 will lead
  • Lol Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's actually not entirely true. It's up to the developer to make that version of the app work with those older versions of the OS. If they require a newer version of the OS for that particular app in order to ensure a uniform or quality experience, Android will throw an error that your version of the OS isn't supported. You see it on iOS also. This isn't just a Windows thing.
  • Sure, but most of the newer additions to Android were added to older versions with compat libraries so you can still target the older OS versions as well and use the newer features at the same time with the same app.  It's still the same platform, it's still the same code, and unless your app is completely about a single new API that only works with the latest version of the OS, you can easily enabled it only for those users.  If you build a UWP app, WP8 users will never be able to install it even if you're not really doing anything you couldn't do on WP8
  • Your argument doesn't really hold a lot of weight, because if an app doesn't need a Windows 10 specific API they can just continue to develop their Windows 8 app that will work fine on Windows 10.... And if they really want to go the extra mile they can quite easily port their app to UWP and maintain both using a large majority of shared code for logic and just replacing the UI for UWP and extending it with UWP APIs, most new features would go on the UWP app as that makes sense. Point is there's really no reason you can't support apps on multiple versions of a platform regardless of if it's IOS / Android or Windows, it all comes down to how easy it is to develop / maintain across multiple versions. Personally I much prefer Windows Phone over Android because you get much less trouble with device specific bugs which are a lot more painful than writing 2 versions of the same app using shared code. I've never written anything for iOS so I can't compare but what I do know for sure is that Windows has the greatest development experience of all due to Visual Studio, and UWP enhanaces development experience 10 fold (No pun intended), the idea of creating a single app that runs anywhere is a dream come true, I work on enterprise software and the biggest problem is maintaining comparability for different versions of Windows / Internet Explorer / SQL Server and Oracle, it's a total nightmare and UWP completely wipes that out in most cases.
  • Heck even ms is offering that on vista & above but not all of the important stuff is back ported
  • Yet I don't understand this, correct me if I'm wrong. In andorid you target a version with your app and it will run from that version and higher. On windows you target 8.1 native sdk and it will run 8.1 and 10. One day you want to get UWP benefits, 8.1 native is a subset of UWP and supereasy to upgrade if you want. Missing the difference (not provoking, just asking, I know what I worte about windows is right since I've programmed both 8.1 and UWP apps, not sure about android).
  • On Android: if( apilevel23supported() ) enableSuperCooNewlFeature(); On Windows you need to create a whole new package, which often requires completely redoing much of the old code as well because APIs change
  • apparently they get some apps, since most of the new updates or newer apps start asking for a certain version of Android, same on iOS. The only difference is that the Win 10 store is finally the version of store that can actually compete with Android / iOS.
  • Google never said "all Android N.N phones would be updated" either so... Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • Unfortunately, 50% of somewhere between 1.7% and 3.4% is... * Set the marketshare range according to whatever stats strike your fancy.
  • They would love to be able to, it's just not up to them
  • Not the point. Fact of the matter is Microsoft was on record saying _all_ Windows Phone 8 devices would get 10. For me personally, it doesn't matter either way, I've moved on to a [godawful] 950XL, but I know people who purchased certain devices within the past few weeks simply because they were getting the upgrade to 10. Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • & HTC has pulled the rug from under their users feet before to as well(but because their launcher required more ram)
  • And the result of that would be even worse than this... They are themselves letting away their die hard fans which will result into even worse than this...
  • "once Xbox and HoloLens are lit up as options....."
    Yeah that's what will save the platform
    Microsoft and now WC authors are really getting out of touch with consumers/reality
  • I said "perhaps". Agree to disagree,.
  • So now it is Xbox and HoloLens, since Windows 10 for PC and Tablet didn't make a difference so far? 8 months after the launch of Windows 10 and there wasn't any significant growth for quality apps in the Windows Store....
  • The UWP model is only as good as the ecosystems it is lit up on. There is PC, IoT, Phone, Xbox, and HoloLens. If only 2 out of 5 are enabled, then the full UWP system is not actually active. Coming to conclusions just 8 months in is not the wisest thing to do. It is the thing a consumer would do, or non-technical person, who can only see 3 months ahead. Most people here are extremely shortsighted and do not think about what this platform means in 2 to 5 years. Instead, we get things like "but in 8 months...".
    " and there wasn't any significant growth for quality apps in the Windows Store...."
    That is your subjective opinion and not an agreed upon fact, so I do not feel obliged to respond to it.
  • Problem is Microsoft's mobile platform doesn't have 2-5 years.....
  • I'm gonna have to get you to pick the numbers for my next lottery ticket.
  • "Microsoft's mobile platform doesn't have 2-5 years....."
    Or does it? People said Windows Phone was dead in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015. At some point, iOS will have be to scrapped (or heavily revamped), same with Android. There are also unpredictable shifts in technology that push things in new directions. I'm not saying Windows 10 Mobile will be big, or even relevant in 2 or 5 years. I'm saying, I think anyone who thinks they know what the landscape will be like then is crazy. No one gets it right.
  • Problem is there is no indication of progress today to indicate progress in the future. It's always 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
  • "Problem is there is no indication of progress today to indicate progress in the future. "
    You're saying this less than 5 days away from Build...the first Build since Windows 10 came out. This is what I'm talking about when I say impatient.
  • There is no "Windows Phone" for Microsoft.  Their strategy is focused on Windows 10, not on a device level. Windows Phone will only start to gain marketshare when PC desktops are replaced by tablets (which is already happening), but like iPads, customers dont buy a new PC every year so it is rather a long process. For now there is no reward using a Windows Phone aside its great Live Tiles.  PC + Android is the best option.  Windows Phone can hardly connect better to a PC than an Android phone and Android has all the Microsoft apps better. When ecosystem integration start to play a harder hole in tecnology then Windows Phone will shine. That would take at least 3-5 years yet. When ecosystem in tecnology become essential, we wont expect an iPhone user to buy iMacs and Apple watches, we will expect a PC user to give up his iPhone or Android and buy a Windows Phone or even just give up their PCs and buy a Windows Phone that can run Win32 Apps with Continuum. Microsoft still has a brighter future than Google or Apple, thats a fact.
  • Windows tablet will change the game BECAUSE they run windows desktop.  Windows tablets will replace laptops, surface styles will be the next gen PCs. rt tablets failed because they were not full Windows desktop, Surface in the other hand is doing well, thank you.  Numbers are there to show it. Windows Phone in the near future will have a lot of integration with windows devices and will be able to run Win32 apps, that will drive Android users to Windows Phone devices.  You can try to deny all you want, wont change the fact.  
  • No. Surface RT failed because there were hardly any apps available for it and the ones it did have sucked donkey balls. If we exclude any development tools I use on my Surface Pro I live exclusively in the "modern" app era - and I know a lot of others do as well. x86 support isn't really important for most people as long as they can get done what they need done using "apps". Enterprise, sure, but even there they are now targeting modern rather than good old winforms :P Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • The only problem in your "theory" is that if what you said were true, tablets with full Windows should have failed too.  No "modern" apps.  And... IT DIDNT!  SO i really dont need to "explain" why you are wrong since the numbers speak for them selves.
  • No simple case of Microsoft bringing something out the door too early, just like always. Then killing it off at the cusp of reachability. Had happened time and time again with MS. Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10