Treo Pro Announced for Real, Available in September

[quote=surur;1486072]Some disaster must have occured between AT&T and Palm...
Surur
Perhaps the iPhone? I don't mean to give undue props to the iPhone... but perhaps AT&T wants more time between those two devices.

No wonder why Palm is in the shape they are in, and you complain about Sprint.
What a waste of time, energy and $$. The 800W and Treo Pro should have been the same device with exception of the cell radio. My opinion says the ideas should have been combined between the two.
In the End the 800w still has poor voice quality and poor Bluetooth performance that goes all the way back to the Handspring Treo 600 on Palm os. From what I have heard the GSM Treo's are no better in this regard than the CDMA versions, so will the Pro be better than the 800W?
I miss the real keyboard of my Treo 700WX, but I am not looking back since buying a Touch with WM6.1. I can live with the crappy onscreen Faux butons for good voice quality and good Bluetooth performance.

Perhaps the iPhone? I don't mean to give undue props to the iPhone... but perhaps AT&T wants more time between those two devices.
One would not have thought they competed. Maybe the Blackberry Bold?
Surur

That BB looks horrible. JMO though..

IMHO, Palm like most user's sentiments should release identical phones to both carriers (CDMA/GSM). This way its fair for everyone.
I went to Palm's site and entered my email addy to inform me when it is available for sale.
It would have been nice if they made it available simultaneously worldwide =/
GPS appears to require a 3rd party software with subscription still. I always thought GPS on mobile phones were like the car GPS where the app is already bundled.

would be nice to get it with aws bands >.

OMG! I didn't sleep the whole night!
So when is the official releasing date? And when can I grab one from the AT&T nearby?

It doesn't look like it will be subsidized by AT&T. By fall time frame, it can be bought unlocked at $549 from palm's site.OMG! I didn't sleep the whole night!
So when is the official releasing date? And when can I grab one from the AT&T nearby?

Wow, I'm pumped. $549 is a great unlocked device price. The size is also great - almost identical to the iPhone 3G, but slightly narrower and slightly thicker - it's 4.49x2.36x.53 inches and only 4.69oz. Specs look great.
Here's a sizeasy comparison between the iPhone 3G, Treo Pro, and Centro.http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/16203-Treo-Pro-vs-iPhone-3g-vs-iPhone-3G-1-
I'll definitely be buying this one. Good job bypassing AT&T Palm - you'll get this device to market about 3-5 months faster this way IMO. I can see AT&T picking this one up eventually.

have to say I certainly like the looks of the Pro better, expect the KB - it is straight and the 800w has a slight "smile". Right?

It also looks like Palm is now using more WM6.1 features such as the native threaded SMS and the phone app. I really liked Palm's threaded SMS since it also threaded MMS, but at least this device can do MMS. I'm ok with the implementation of the phone app as well, it was a bit cluttered to have it all on the today screen. I wonder how the End key works now though? More like HTC devices?

3.5mm headset jack? ::swoons::
1500mAh battery?* ::double swoons::
GPS? ...enh. After the 800w gps issues, I'll reserve judgment
It shore is purdy, doe!
[SIZE="1">* - (especially if it uses it really efficiently)[/SIZE]

Is this really just a Tilt in the shape of a Palm (320x320 instead of 240x320; 2MB camera vs. 3MB)?
Anybody see anything compelling over the Tilt besides form factor?

[quote=surur;1486099]One would not have thought they competed. Maybe the Blackberry Bold?
Surur
Ah-hah... that does make more sense, since a quick search shows that the Bold is expected this month. Maybe in a month or two we'll hear that the Treo Pro will be coming to AT&T. Well, that's my guess, anyway.
Certainly, more than one would not have thought that the Treo Pro and the iPhone competed... but then again more than one have certainly thought that they do. Personally, I'm in the "not yet" camp. That, and being solidly in the CDMA camp lands me in the "cares less" camp.

Ok... it looks great and all and I am a Treo fanboy (I've had a treo since the "tri-corder" Treo 300 days!) but from a sheer spec standpoint, other than palm's usual top ringer switch, one touch wi-fi button, why should I not just get an unlocked TYTN2 for a hundred bucks less on the open market?
Sure its thinner slightly--but I have a Treo 700 with the Seidio 3200 battery now, and I still manage to stick it in my pocket.
The chipset is the same, the RAM/ROM amounts are the same, TYTN2 camera is 3mpx; Treo Pro is 2, and there are cooked ROMs for days for the TYTN2...
This obviously should have been released last year... With the likes of the Samsung Omnia and HTC Touch/(pro), Palm better have another game plan in the next 6 months!

didn't see anything in the palm website where they are posting the Treo Pro talking about the release date is september. can someone confirm this because september is less than 2 weeks from now.

Oh man, I just got my 800w from Sprint .... I wonder how long it will take for a Sprint version (and if I should send the 800w back as it's still within the 30 days) .. ugh, another hard decision!

didn't see anything in the palm website where they are posting the Treo Pro talking about the release date is september. can someone confirm this because september is less than 2 weeks from now.
you're assuming the beginning of Sept, could be the end of Sept IF it indeed is coming out in Sept.

Man, Palm gets me stoked after I swore not to fall again for their smartphone reality distortion field... man! Is it just me or Palm is taking the Apple route verbatim? The packaging shown in the video is 99.9% close to a traditional iPhone/iPod/iTouch... I wonder if Cupertino will have a legal say in the matter?
No US carrier: I was 100% positive that no carrier in the US had picked up the device. The leaked AT&T roadmap never spoke of a Palm device in the pipeline, the only roadmaps that talked about it were Sprint's and Verizon's but the 800w took care of that. Maybe it is best for Palm in the short future as Europe is a stronger market and they pay in Euros... also I wonder if the local US carriers got shaken by previous Palm experiences (I know Verizon was tired of supporting the 700p) and thus decided not to go with Palm on this iteration?
US pays full retail? In my case it wouldn't make a difference however, as I just started an AT&T contract and I would not have been able to get the subsidized price anyways had AT&T decided to carry this device. $549 is not bad for an unlocked phone with such capabilities BTW.
Now I have to work on the hard portion of the deal and convince my wife I really need that new and shiny piece of smartphone-heaven...

I see that the Treo Pro is running WM 6.1. I wonder if there are any plans to release that phone with the Palm operating system? Unless there has been some type of change WM 6.1 with Sprint still does not have a content manager. Which means that I can't even have something as simple as a call tone on my phone. Why wasn't this addressed and corrected for Sprint users with WM 6.1?

I see that the Treo Pro is running WM 6.1. I wonder if there are any plans to release that phone with the Palm operating system?
No, Palm Treos are now exclusively WM orientated now. Garnet is for Centro-type devices (yes, there will be more) and "Nova" will be for prosumer devices, but not Treos.
Unless there has been some type of change WM 6.1 with Sprint still does not have a content manager. Which means that I can't even have something as simple as a call tone on my phone. Why wasn't this addressed and corrected for Sprint users with WM 6.1?
Ask Sprint.
They have to develop WM software to integrate with their bizarre system and they just have not devoted time nor money in doing so. Plus, WM devices are more adult/professional orientated and I would suggest their audience is more sophisticated and call tones are more youth based silliness.

well for some the unlocked feature is worth it but how do I justify $549 versus $300 for iphone 3G ??? not--too bad it looks pretty neat. Not the first time Palm has asked for a high price >$400 for a new model. Obviously they'd rather make say $200 each on 20,000 phones rather than $50-100 on a million! :rolleyes:

well for some the unlocked feature is worth it but how do I justify $549 versus $300 for iphone 3G ??? not--too bad it looks pretty neat. Not the first time Palm has asked for a high price >$400 for a new model. Obviously they'd rather make say $200 each on 20,000 phones rather than $50-100 on a million! :rolleyes:
It's simple: the Treo Pro is for professionals who need to do specific things that only WM can offer; iPhone is still a prosumer toy that pretends to be a business/professional device.
That's how you justify the extra cost.
Then again, the U.S. is just one market now so what is often called ROW (rest of world) will get the benefit of lower cost and greater functionality with the Treo Pro FTW.
If the Treo Pro sells very well (and it probably will) AT&T will jump on board. Verizon had a tough time with Palm too with the 700p and 755p and yet they bent over and took it for the Centro because ya know, it sold like 2 million, lol.

Awfully hard to compete in the US with the bb bold at unsub prices. Don't see it happening.
Maybe the details just need to be worked out..hopefully..

Awfully hard to compete in the US with the bb bold at unsub prices. Don't see it happening.
Maybe the details just need to be worked out..hopefully..
considering how delayed the Bold is...:rolleyes:
RIM and Palm are both weak overseas so Palm getting first to that market with a nice WM device is still good for them. WM is very popular in Asia, Russia and Europe where RIM is a blip.
don't get me wrong, I'm sure Palm would love to have a deal with AT&T but they just don't right now--perhaps it's the i780 variant, the BB bold and/or iPhone 3g.

My theory is that AT&T doesn't want to overlap with the blackjack III. Similar phones, but the blackjack has been a consistent AT&T favorite through the years, so maybe the BJIII gets preferential treatment and the Treo Pro hits early 2009?

More News:http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/08/20/palm-treo-pro-now-officially-official/

More News:http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/08/20/palm-treo-pro-now-officially-official/
lol, yeah we covered that around 9am this morning, hence the title of this thread :p

Does anybody knows if Skype will work on Treo 850 ?

Is this really just a Tilt in the shape of a Palm (320x320 instead of 240x320; 2MB camera vs. 3MB)?
Anybody see anything compelling over the Tilt besides form factor?
Size, flush/higher res (but smaller) screen, bigger battery...the form factor alone is HUGE, the Tilt has a terrible, bulky form factor IMO.

My theory is that AT&T doesn't want to overlap with the blackjack III. Similar phones, but the blackjack has been a consistent AT&T favorite through the years, so maybe the BJIII gets preferential treatment and the Treo Pro hits early 2009?
It could also be that AT&T and Palm haven't worked anything out. Perhaps Palm didn't want to cave to an exclusive with AT&T and thus it's just not launching with them. MAYBE Palm wanted to do unlocked first and see how that went in N. America.
I'll be getting one. As a WM user and a current iPhone 3G user, I can't wait to get back to the power of WM6.1 on a Palm device. IMO, the best experience for a user with my patterns.

It could also be that AT&T and Palm haven't worked anything out. Perhaps Palm didn't want to cave to an exclusive with AT&T and thus it's just not launching with them. MAYBE Palm wanted to do unlocked first and see how that went in N. America.
Does anyone honestly think Palm will sell many unsubsidized Treo Pros in N. America? Personally, $549 is way out of my price range. :)
Is there any data on how well high end unsubsidized phones sell in N. America in general? (besides the iPhone 1... the Treo Pro looks cool, but it doesn't have the "halo" of Apple)

So suppose I get an unlocked Treo Pro, with which AT&T plan I can use it? I currently have a 1st gen iPhone plan with AT&T and I know my iPhone SIM card will work fine with other phones. But what's the official stance of AT&T on unlocked phones and what plans do they suggest to use?

So suppose I get an unlocked Treo Pro, with which AT&T plan I can use it? I currently have a 1st gen iPhone plan with AT&T and I know my iPhone SIM card will work fine with other phones. But what's the official stance of AT&T on unlocked phones and what plans do they suggest to use?
I have an unlocked iPaq 6945, and I can take my AT&T SIM card out of my flip-phone and use it in my 6945 without problem. It does change my phone number for voice mail though. I don't think which plan you are on really matters; I have the cheapest plan possible!

No, Palm Treos are now exclusively WM orientated now. Garnet is for Centro-type devices (yes, there will be more) and "Nova" will be for prosumer devices, but not Treos.
Well, I guess this is the end of my Treo usage. I held out and waited and waited to see if I would get to buy a new Palm OS unlocked Treo. I am a Mac user and I have no use, need, or desire to use Window Mobile.
I'm actually saddened and disappointed and I have been a loyal Treo user for several years. I guess I'll have to make the iPhone leap.
I'll see if these "prosumer" devices are what they are cracked up be and will work with Apple OS but, I really wanted this Pro.
So sad...
-F.

so everyone has been complaining about this and that. come on guys its been announced and its being released. who cares if it can't stand up to the new BB bold or the iPhone, I don't care if people still say palm is going down the hole. this is the phone all us serious treo users on GSM have been waiting for. don't ruin a good moment cause we will all have this freaking awesome device before christmas and plus the good side is we can all ask for it as christmas presents and not have to pay a penny for it. just hope we have some very nice friends or family to buy it for us. that was my two cents.

so everyone has been complaining about this and that. come on guys its been announced and its being released. who cares if it can't stand up to the new BB bold or the iPhone, I don't care if people still say palm is going down the hole. this is the phone all us serious treo users on GSM have been waiting for. don't ruin a good moment cause we will all have this freaking awesome device before christmas and plus the good side is we can all ask for it as christmas presents and not have to pay a penny for it. just hope we have some very nice friends or family to buy it for us. that was my two cents.
I just wanted it in Palm OS. I can't use Windows Mobile. No PCs in my house or on my desk at work. All Apple.

I just wanted it in Palm OS. I can't use Windows Mobile. No PCs in my house or on my desk at work. All Apple.
It is literally impossible to 'have it all' in Garnet. Garnet does not support having all of those radios in it (GSM/bluetooth/wifi/GPS). The upcoming Nova should support those, and is really the next version of Palm OS. Just because its not named the Treo doesn't necessarily mean the form factor will be radically different from the Treo Pro.

It is literally impossible to 'have it all' in Garnet. Garnet does not support having all of those radios in it (GSM/bluetooth/wifi/GPS). The upcoming Nova should support those, and is really the next version of Palm OS. Just because its not named the Treo doesn't necessarily mean the form factor will be radically different from the Treo Pro.
I understand but, I really wanted THIS form factor. Either way, as I mentioned before, I'll wait to see what the prosumer devices are like before I officially make the move over to something more Mac friendly. The Centro just is not cutting it for me.

welzofstel I understand what your saying but I just wanna say there is something mac friendly and its called the iphone. know I know you want a treo but palm has already decided to focus on WM6.1 I mean sure there is nova coming out but I really think palm has shifted away from what made them so great. its just another move that puts them in a position to dig out of a hole.

Wait, so does this thing have wifi?

I know this is a silly question, but every Treo I have owned was purchased through ATT. Other then a $ subsidized purchase, what is lost if I buy the unlocked version directly through Palm instead of a locked version from ATT? Does the voicemail app work seamlessly if I plug in my current SIM card. Are their any other problems? Thanks.

Size, flush/higher res (but smaller) screen, bigger battery...the form factor alone is HUGE, the Tilt has a terrible, bulky form factor IMO.
No argument on the factor; 4 months after moving from a 650 to a Tilt; I still miss the Treo form factor. Heck; I still miss the Palm OS; succumbing to 3G and access to corp email, sigh...
Unfortunately there isn't enough here to make me go back to Palm at this time.

I know this is a silly question, but every Treo I have owned was purchased through ATT. Other then a $ subsidized purchase, what is lost if I buy the unlocked version directly through Palm instead of a locked version from ATT? Does the voicemail app work seamlessly if I plug in my current SIM card. Are their any other problems? Thanks.
I purchased an unlocked 750 when I switched to AT&T. They put in a SIM card when I signed up for service, and I have never had any problems.
I now use YouMail for VM, but i never had any usage problems with AT&T VM when I used it. My 750 is missing some AT&T addons like AT&T Proxy, etc. I dont miss anything.....And no contract!!!

Dumb question? Will I be able to use this phone with Sprint?

Dumb question? Will I be able to use this phone with Sprint?
I believe it is GSM, which would mean no. No Sprint for you (or me).
But then, I'm holding onto my 755p at least until the new OS debuts.

Does anyone honestly think Palm will sell many unsubsidized Treo Pros in N. America? Personally, $549 is way out of my price range. :)
Is there any data on how well high end unsubsidized phones sell in N. America in general? (besides the iPhone 1... the Treo Pro looks cool, but it doesn't have the "halo" of Apple)
I think devices like the N95 from Nokia did fine - not great, but fine. I think we'll see more from Palm and AT&T in the future.

Some disaster must have occured between AT&T and Palm...
Surur
Palm probably just wanted to have control over the features on the phone. eg Wi-Fi

AT&T sucks! I'm stuck in the stupid 2 yrs contract now bcoz of iphone.... :mad:

AT&T sucks! I'm stuck in the stupid 2 yrs contract now bcoz of iphone.... :mad:
The beauty of GSM is that you can still use any unlocked phone with AT&T regardless of your contract status...

Palm probably just wanted to have control over the features on the phone. eg Wi-Fi
I cant see how this wont cut potential sales by 75%. I believe more than 90% of phones sold in USA are on contract, and having an unlocked 3G GSM phone in USA does not really give any choice, as your only choice is AT&T in the end. You will still be paying for the service, and not see any benefit in the form of a subsidy.
Surur

A person I once talked to from Palm said that it's not likely AT&T will carry any more Palm Windows Mobile devices after the Treo 750. He said that Samsung and HTC are less expensive and have contain all the same features, so they aren't interested in a more expensive model of the same thing. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but he was pretty sure (and he wasn't exactly low on the totem if you know what I mean.)
I speculate that it's a time to market and profit margin thing. Carrier branding, customizations, and testing of the custom software and carrier certifications all take a lot of time, resources, and money to do. Doing just 1 unlocked phone for all is a lot faster to market and easier to produce.
Streamlining in a word.
If I didn't just get an iPhone 3G last month for $500. I'd be all over this phone. It's nearly the perfect WM design for my taste. I have a tilt but really dislike the slider keyboard and lack of Palm's SMS app and other UI customizations so I went back to the Treo 750.

Any info if it would have A2DP/AVRCP bluetooth profiles??

I cant see how this wont cut potential sales by 75%. I believe more than 90% of phones sold in USA are on contract, and having an unlocked 3G GSM phone in USA does not really give any choice, as your only choice is AT&T in the end. You will still be paying for the service, and not see any benefit in the form of a subsidy.
Surur
Bingo! If I buy an unsubsidized phone, i want an unsubsidized rate plan. (Starts holding breath....)
Mac

considering how delayed the Bold is...:rolleyes:
RIM and Palm are both weak overseas so Palm getting first to that market with a nice WM device is still good for them. WM is very popular in Asia, Russia and Europe where RIM is a blip.
don't get me wrong, I'm sure Palm would love to have a deal with AT&T but they just don't right now--perhaps it's the i780 variant, the BB bold and/or iPhone 3g.
Just to add on what Mal said, WM is very popular in HK in particular. However, the models of WM are popular are not the front facing QWERTY kind (eg. Treo 750, Samsung i780, Samsung 608, HTC Cavalier, etc). But people here prefer having the larger screen (some also prefer those with the slide out keyboard) . That's why the WM devices with large screen estates (such as HTC Touch, Touch Dual, Diamond, Touch Cruise, LG Prada, Samsung Omnia) are selling well here.
I'm not sure if the Treo Pro will be a hit here in Asia (HK in particular) as people here are more accustomed to a larger screen with no front facing QWERTY.

Some people will choose this over HTC's offerings, and some will choose the HTC over Palm. Why? Because it fits their needs/wants. I've fiddled with the Tilt, and I didn't like it. I like a front facing keyboard and Palm's special sauce. It fits a niche that some may like/want - touch pro/diamond are also a different niche.
Really, you're comparing apples and oranges because each phone you mention has a different user interface - and that is what ultimately determines what you think is right for you.

Probably the best bet would be to buy and AT&T phone and then flip it onto ebay, and then buy an unlocked phone like Palm. This is exactly what they suggested people do to get a free iPhone 3G. Maybe an iphone 3G would be a perfect target - buy it for $200, unlock it and then sell if for $600, and buy a Touch Pro for $550 and effectively pay only $150.
BTW: I patented this solution ;)
Surur

I believe it is GSM, which would mean no. No Sprint for you (or me).
But then, I'm holding onto my 755p at least until the new OS debuts.
Personally I don't like WM. I had the Treo 700wx (which by the way sits on my dresser taking up space.) And I switched to the 755p which I like much better. I have Sprint as my carrier. My question is will they have a Treo Pro with an Palm OS coming out on the market?
Wondering when if ever will any WM OS phones that Sprint has will have the Content Manager anytime soom. With WM you cannot even have a call tone with Sprint. Not to mention is was a hassle to find ringtones that work with the phone at first.

Again, no future treos with a palm os or new palm os. It will be a unique (for palm) device. We can still only speculate whether palm is going with the kb or not or some kind of slider.

Great. However, they should have released this in 2007.

Again, no future treos with a palm os or new palm os. It will be a unique (for palm) device. We can still only speculate whether palm is going with the kb or not or some kind of slider.
Why do you say "no future treos with a palm os or new palm os?" How do you know?

welzofstel I understand what your saying but I just wanna say there is something mac friendly and its called the iphone. know I know you want a treo but palm has already decided to focus on WM6.1 I mean sure there is nova coming out but I really think palm has shifted away from what made them so great. its just another move that puts them in a position to dig out of a hole.
Apple has a phone?
(I already mentioned I was making the change to the iPhone. Thanks for the advice, though.)

Why do you say "no future treos with a palm os or new palm os?" How do you know?
Ed Colligan said so. In an interview, he said very clearly that Garnet was exclusive to the Centro, WM exclusive to the Treo line and the new OS would be exclusive to the new "prosumer" line with radically different, "game changing" hardware.

Ed Colligan said so. In an interview, he said very clearly that Garnet was exclusive to the Centro, WM exclusive to the Treo line and the new OS would be exclusive to the new "prosumer" line with radically different, "game changing" hardware.
I'd only seen the Cliff's Notes outline of that interview, but I guess you were left with the impression that the radically different hardware would go by a different name?
My initial reaction to that phrasing (thx, btw) was that WM being exclusive to Treo's isn't necessarily the same as Treo's being exclusive to WM.

Probably the best bet would be to buy and AT&T phone and then flip it onto ebay, and then buy an unlocked phone like Palm. This is exactly what they suggested people do to get a free iPhone 3G. Maybe an iphone 3G would be a perfect target - buy it for $200, unlock it and then sell if for $600, and buy a Touch Pro for $550 and effectively pay only $150.
BTW: I patented this solution ;)
Surur
That sounds kinda what I did to get my current phone: I got a Tilt refurb from AT&T at a discount (since my company gives us a corporate discount for individual use *perk*) and I sold off my old 700p with all accesories. I paid $150 for the Tilt and got $100 for the 700p... so in esence I have an HTC Tilt for only $50...

I'd only seen the Cliff's Notes outline of that interview, but I guess you were left with the impression that the radically different hardware would go by a different name?
My initial reaction to that phrasing (thx, btw) was that WM being exclusive to Treo's isn't necessarily the same as Treo's being exclusive to WM.
I suppose that's possible, but it strikes me as hair-splitting wishful thinking. I think Palm's actually onto something by segregating their OS choices by brand. It reinforces each brand nicely. If you really want Garnet, get a Centro. If you want the new OS, it will likely be on something very different from the Centro/Treo form factor. I have a thought on what that might be that I wrote about a few days ago.
In short, if they're designing the new OS to run on the new devices and the Foleo 2, the new devices might be slates about the size of a Steno pad, kind of a cross between the iPhone and Kindle. Think of it as something that falls between smartphones and netbooks.

I suppose that's possible, but it strikes me as hair-splitting wishful thinking.I guess it depends on how precisely one speaks, but I guess we'll see.I think Palm's actually onto something by segregating their OS choices by brand. It reinforces each brand nicely. If you really want Garnet, get a Centro. If you want the new OS, it will likely be on something very different from the Centro/Treo form factor. I have a thought on what that might be that I wrote about a few days ago.
In short, if they're designing the new OS to run on the new devices and the Foleo 2, the new devices might be slates about the size of a Steno pad, kind of a cross between the iPhone and Kindle. Think of it as something that falls between smartphones and netbooks.
A Steno pad? I can't imagine - or maybe that's more of my "wishful thinking" at work b/c the idea doesn't appeal to me. Again, we'll see, but that size seems problematic, if nothing else.
I want a Treo or a something incredibly similar with the improved operating system on it. Having to get an entirely different kind of device that's a different size and everything ... just feels like we've been teased (or teasing ourselves) over the past 2-3 years.

I am so completely stoked that it's being released here with Telstra. It'll be a Next G phone I assume which is fantastic!
I'm 12 months into my contract for my 750, so maybe they'll let me swap it out for the Pro a few months after it's released (once I read actual reviews etc).
For once it just doesn't suck to be in Australia!

Probably the best bet would be to buy and AT&T phone and then flip it onto ebay, and then buy an unlocked phone like Palm. This is exactly what they suggested people do to get a free iPhone 3G. Maybe an iphone 3G would be a perfect target - buy it for $200, unlock it and then sell if for $600, and buy a Touch Pro for $550 and effectively pay only $150.
BTW: I patented this solution ;)
Surur
I just may try that.
I am eligible for an upgrade. Infact, while I'm here, anyone want me to buy a 3G iphone, or maybe a Tilt, anything?
and then buy it off me.
No seriously, I will have to take a look into that.

That BB looks horrible. JMO though..
The Bold is a joke. The Javelin looks awesome.

I suppose that's possible, but it strikes me as hair-splitting wishful thinking. I think Palm's actually onto something by segregating their OS choices by brand. It reinforces each brand nicely. If you really want Garnet, get a Centro. If you want the new OS, it will likely be on something very different from the Centro/Treo form factor. I have a thought on what that might be that I wrote about a few days ago.
In short, if they're designing the new OS to run on the new devices and the Foleo 2, the new devices might be slates about the size of a Steno pad, kind of a cross between the iPhone and Kindle. Think of it as something that falls between smartphones and netbooks.
Everyone will have to excuse me if I ask something that's been said before I am new to all of this.
In reading various comments are you saying that Palm will not being having anymore Treos with the Palm OS device?
If a few things had changed perhaps I really wouldn't mind getting a phone with the WM OS. There are applications that I can on both OS' but I like to personalize my phone. I like to at least have the option of having a call tone or ordering a ringtone from Sprints website. I can do neither with a phone that has WM as an OS. Or can someone tell me IF they changed this or if THEY WILL change this? Without a content manager it can't be done as far as I know.

Everyone will have to excuse me if I ask something that's been said before I am new to all of this.
In reading various comments are you saying that Palm will not being having anymore Treos with the Palm OS device?
If a few things had changed perhaps I really wouldn't mind getting a phone with the WM OS. There are applications that I can on both OS' but I like to personalize my phone. I like to at least have the option of having a call tone or ordering a ringtone from Sprints website. I can do neither with a phone that has WM as an OS. Or can someone tell me IF they changed this or if THEY WILL change this? Without a content manager it can't be done as far as I know.I have never ordered a ringtone from the provider, but I have 6+ custom ringtones on my WM 6, Treo 750. :)

I'm excited that this is being released on O2. Vodafone doesn't seem to care much for 3g/internet on phones and this is reflected in their price plans.
What does 'direct sales' mean?