6tindr receives extraordinary update before being pulled by Tinder

Give up the smallest viable smartphone market until you get there on your own and not have an unlicensed 3rd party taking profits while using your companies community, content, services and likeness in the meantime - sounds reasonable. yep.

Taking profits? What are you talking about? Do you know some secret monetization scheme that no one else has figured out? Their only real asset is their userbase which just grew without any investment on their part. Yeah, it's a dumb move

If he had ads and in app purchases those would be profits.

They are "stealing" profits from Tinder, though.  

Well tinder uses FACEBOOK so... Isn't Exactly the same

Facebook has an official API that they license to developers. Tinder specifically bans this activity in their terms of use(license).

It's bigger today. Let's see in a couple of years.

I recommend calling them out on Twitter: @Tinder. They deserve to be publicly rebuked and that's the best way to do it. I plan to use the hashtag #MobileEquality.

How's this: @Tinder How about an official WP app then, seeing as you just had the unofficial one pulled!! #MobileEquality

Jesus... What a great way for people to take you seriously. #mobileequality

Thankfully, I got the update before they pulled it

I'm jealous.  I missed it by minutes.

Hope Tinder listens and lets Rudy develop the official app.

Exactly! Rudy is a symbol of pride for us wp users, He is one of the few who truly makes the best of the modern UI design language. Even though his name is Rudy, his letter seems to be polite, respectful, and straight to the point.
If I was running tinder, I'd definitely let him onboard.

I understand the need of a company to protect their (whatever they are trying to protect).   But then make a damn app before being a bunch of assholes. I didn't even care about this service (have a girlfriend) but this kind of stuff is ridiculous!

Here here.

(hands you a virtual beer)

The man doesn't drink. I'll take it.

Sorry, but I just have to say it: it's 'hear hear'.

My apologies. Its 5am here in the UK and I'm half asleep. I will sleep corrected, thanks. :)

No worries, I just found it hard to resist :)

I think it is here, here. This steams from the 1600 and 1700's when people would agree with a point being made in some type of session = here, here... Or I agree.

It's 'hear hear', as in 'hear what this fellow is saying as it is the truth'. http://grammarist.com/spelling/hear-hear/

I have zero interest in this service either, but yeah. A solo developer makes an app in a couple months that was as good or better than what their best and brightest team could produce in over a year. Maybe if their devs/management weren't complete tools it would never have been an issue. :P

Sometimes I wonder if this isn't often the issue. The last thing they want is their Roid and Fruit users, not to mention their Investors, finding out they've spent months and millions and built a sub-par App. Nor do they want to have those users finding out life is better on Windows Phone and jumping ship. Think Google or Apple want that getting around. Probably not and I don't imagine they would be shy about punishing a young Company that embarrassed them.

  What he said. Jealousy rears its ugly head.

But I do care. I have a wife but I want a girlfriend :)

Don't we all?

You're a moron.

Stchupid gooses

Haha!

Man... We should all be very proud to have a developer like Rudy so committed to our platform of choice. All this hard work on a 3rd party app to fill a gap in the marketplace to make Windows Phone all that much better. Even so, knowing that it could all be pulled at any given point and time. Its people like this that help gain market share. Thank you so much Rudy and keep up the great work.

Agreed !!! I have his wikipedia app. I dont use it much but I am thankful for his skill and support for the platform.  

Even though I haven't used more of the applications he's developed, I MUST agree with this statement! It is because of people like him that we, WP users, have what we have (besides Nokia, of course). :)

6tag and 6sec are far superior to the official apps that its ridiculous. I have much respect for Rudy and im amazed that nobody has snatched him up to develop their apps.

Spot on I use 6tagover. The official app. It's just hands down better

I have been thinking the same thing. It seems like it would be very worthwhile for ms to employ Rudy (if he would be willing) and give him a team to work with.

Honestly, I agree with you 100%. MS should just employ Rudy and give him a team. They can also hire him to help on the official Facebook app which has significantly improved but still can be better. I'm sure they won't regret it. That guy is a beast....the whole Instagram, Facebook, MS and Nokia Team did that "stuff" called Instagram Beta in over a year and Rudy alone has 6tag running and still updating. Someone should just swallow up his pride and give Rudy some role!

I suspect he is able to do more as an independent developer rather than officially representing MS - especially when it involves unofficially using 3rd party APIs with out permission. We dont know that he hasnt received any checks in the mail...

6tag is awesome...+920

official vine is pretty good IMO.

Seconded! Thanks, Rudy! TVShow is my most used app if yours, but I've downloaded and reviewed every app of yours to show my support. Bought a few as well because they are fantastic.

Which is why I'm still using 6tag and 6" instead of the official apps

I bought the add free 6tinder and don't even care if I can't redownload it because I know Rudy will work on bring some other big name app to WP

I would recommend everyone goes and sends an email or tweet to Tinder, and let them know what a mistake they're making.  Either make an official app for us, or let Rudy's stay.

Agree ! It's for the Windows Phone 8 future .

I second that: @Tinder is where tweets can be send. Perhaps use the hashtag #MobileEquality to keep track of each other's tweets and retweet them.

Hopefully they can work together and develop an official app with help from the legend

Ugh...

Now I'll never get a girl.  

Lmao

Maybe you should try Growlr...

It would be great if I didn't have to drag out my old Android phone to use Growlr...

I was beginning to think I was a loser. No replies at all. Well this doesn't exactly prove I'm not, lol.

Lol!

Yeah cause it still works if you have it lol

Did they say why? Name of the app? Logo? Didn't want anything other than an official app?

The latter. Using their platform and API to make an app that don't officially support. They don't want anyone else using their brand without direct contact.

Where did you read this?

We've all reach that conclusion based on the article and the lack of support from tinder for windows phone. There's no other real reason unless they are going to release the official app which is unlikely.

So we actually have no idea why they protested? It could be as simple as the name.

Doubt that but then again...

What if you paid?

Its a few pence ffs lol

you can write to the support to get a refund, sorry

Rudy we love you!!! #save6tindr

nobody would ever want a refund for an app of yours rudy, you're the king!

Just paid to remove ads...support the cause :)

I paid...and I definitely won't be requesting a refund! The app was/is great, as is your support for this platform. It's just a real shame that Tinder behaved in such a way towards you.
Hopefully this is just the first step in a successful resolution that sees you building an official app.

You cheap ass motherfucker.

Hahaha!

Write down your address and I'll send you your irreplaceable dollar.

Hopefully the reason was somthing that can be dealt with and they shall.

There's a verb missing in the last sentence of the second to last paragraph.

oops. fixed and thanks. 

Haters!

What's crazy is that this one guy built an app by himself for a new platform that already equaled and surpassed its equivalents on iOS and Android. According to CrunchBase...Tinder has about 35 employees... I'm not good at math or anything..but since when did 1 > 35?

Whoa that was one unexpected pull,seriously jealous communities these days.may be google bribed them?

I hate to be that guy, but in every similar scenario, somewhere deep inside me believes that the likes of Google and others are the master minds behind it all. There's isn't any question that if WP had every single popular app available on other platforms that WP's market share would experience an exponential growth. This fact must have the competitors shaking in their boots!

Wondered the same thing

Well, Sam, not to get too into quantum physics, but you see.... Rudy has 5 big-time apps (the '6' series and Wikipedia). 35/5 is 7. 7-6tinder = 1tinder. Now that tinder is gone, that just leaves the 1. So it's really 1≥35. Hope I answered your question.

So the developers from the official Tinder also developed instagram, vine, Wikipedia, snapchat, AND 9gag??? Damn they're talented.

And here I thought we were going to go into a HL3 reference. I was slightly dissapointed that you didn't work that in :)

@Jas00555... You sir have made my day lol.

What is their source of revenue to have 35 employees??

venture funding

Rudy should have updated it, just to beat the competition and salt the wound, then pulled from the store ("like a boss") before tinder could do it, lol.

We're lucky to have him on Windows Phone 8 !

Although rudy didn't have to write all their backend services, all he has done is written a client for the service which in many cases is the smallest part of the work that needs to be done. I cant moan at the work rudy does, or the quality of his work - but he seriously needs to stop ripping off other apps, i don't think it does the platform any good in the longrun

It helps the platform. When instagram wasn't available on windows phone and people knew that they automatically saw something wrong with windows phone. However when Rudy started making apps for us (6tag, 6sec, 6snap...) I was proud to show it off and people were impressed by the quality of the app. That equals to interest and possibly a potential customer. Obviously it takes more than just an app to buy a phone but at least that's no longer the reason on why not to give it a try.

dave's point is that Rudy should start an original work of his own, his talent is being wasted at creating those clients

The point is understood, but Rudy is also filling gaps that make it easier for people to come on over. This is his thing and he's good at it.  If I had all the programming skill in the world, it doesn't mean that I'm going to come up with the next big thing.  Besides, the same people that scream "official" all the time don't care about WP only apps.  They have platform envy so if it's not popular with iCrowd, it doesn't matter. Fhotoroom is original and awesome and lots of people don't care, as an example. Foundbite is original and WP exclusive and struggles to get noticed because all anyone seems to care about is whatever iDroid has.

I'm sure google is behind this, who wouldn't want their service on a platform and not have to use any company resources to fulfill the need? Unless they are just Microsoft haters, which is still asinine

I wondered if tinder is part owned by google.

i didn't even get the chance to update it. oh well. im not uninstalling what i have haha.

Tweet them #save6tindr

Yep: hit them up @Tinder. I suggest using the hashtag #MobileEquality because we've used it before to cajole other companies (e.g. Grindr, Geico, etc.) to make Windows Phone apps, so it can be a general theme for us and will make it easy to find and retweet each other. Let's not just limit this to Tinder. There are lots of companies still giving Windows Phone the finger.

W.T.F. -everyone tweet Tinder of your disappointment!

just hire Rudy already.

I don't think Rudy needs a job. He is likely doing far much better as a solo developer than if he worked for any of those jokers. Btw, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Rudy has grown to the point where he has now hired an additional developer as his business has taken off. So it wouldn't be in our best interest to have Rudy join on with an outfit.

I think the guys over there at tinder must be spending a little too much time with google lol

This sucks.... I wish there was a way to still get the update.

Hope rudy never get tired to make another app that officially out yet.

Does Tinder have an API for developers? Or did Rudy violate the terms of use defined on Tinder by reverse engineering the service into an application of his own and thereby hijack their popularity and intellectual property for profit? I don't know Tinder or the situation with this app, but if thats the case, it's bad behavior and violates the certification requirements (3.1) of the Windows Phone store.   And I don't think its the first instance out there... right? Unofficial does not always equal licensed. Companies don't have to be nice and such.

And there's That Guy

He's a giant veggie.

Oh crap!!! Now we got this smuck from the NSA monitoring the WPCentral forums.

As much as I hate to say it you could be possibly right... I sure hope Tinder gives Rudy a chance. I mean, that could help Tinder (get more users, save time since Rudy already has a head start, and so on). Sure hope they can come to an agreement.

From my understanding of it, it's a form of piracy. It's weird everyone is coming out and supporting this developer's efforts in piggybacking where he has no license to do so. Tinder was 100% in the right to have the app pulled and would likely win in court if they decided to sue Rudy. Seriously, what is wrong with you people?    

Because it's an arse move. Just because they have a right, doesn't make it right. They get to expand their user base with no investment. This smells of anti-WP spite.

So if Apple were to grab the API for, lets say, Here Maps and didn't pay anything for the use of them that would be perfectly fine I mean it would be more people using the service after all. I doubt Rudy actually did anything wrong but in Giant Veggies example he is absolutely right in what he says.

Completely different scenario. Here Maps has a clear monetizing strategy that includes licensing. What revenue is Tinder being robbed of? They likely have an exit strategy of being bought by some bigger fish. If that's the case, then they should embrace the addition to their user base and/or make their own app. I never denied their right to protest, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. You can exactly what's in your rights and still be an ass.

I amazed at everyones inability to recognize this as piracy. Rudy reverse engineered and was using a companies services without permission. They have to chase after him to protect their property in the Windows Phone Store, perhaps they now have to hire lawyers to recoup the profits that were taken. It's a burden. How hard is that to understand. Tinder is being robbed of their brand, their intellectual property, the electricity and hardware costs for the services Rudy used without permission, and Rudy was taking money directly from users. HERE Maps may have a monetizing strategy and licensing available to 3rd party developers. While Tinder specifically bans this in their terms of use. Monetization by the original business owner is irrelevant actually... Monetization by the leech is to me, what crosses the line of any fair use protection, it sounds like piracy and a form of theft no matter how noble it sounds in your WP heart. I don't see how Rudy in the right other than appealing to your WP desires. I can see how this happens, even Bin Laden was a hero to many.
  Can I pour half a can of coca cola into a glass, and start selling it as 6Coca~cla? See what I did there? I left off a vowel and added a 6, as an user, you can still recognize it as Tinder (the brand), and when you use the app you get the Tinder product (the girls/guys) just like downing a glass of my new cola brand 6Coca~cla, I mean Coke, that I both repackaged and rebranded (only slightly, because nobody wants VeggieCola). To make the analogy more complete, let's replace the can of Coca-Cola and I'll install a hose into one of the bottling facilities.    

I agree..

hire lawyers? why not better hire goddamn PROGRAMMERS and release an official app before starting crying for "lost" theoretical profits

You have some valid points, but I don't think it's fair to call this piracy and I don't see it as unethical.  You can already access Tinder's content via a webpage or by iOS/Android apps for free.  Piracy would be like stealing from a grocery store and then selling the stolen goods to others or giving it away.  That would obviously hurt the gorcery store.  What Rudy is doing is more like providing transportation so that people can get to the grovery store and use the grocery store's services.  Those people can already walk to the grocery store anyway (i.e. use the webpage), Rudy is just providing a more efficient way to get there (an app) and that is the service he is charging for.  It's a win win situation for everyone involved.  I fail to see how having more users is a bad thing for Tinder as long as the user experience is good and there are no security issues.   The only aspect that could be considered potentially bad for Tinder is trademark/brand issues.  However, Rudy's app is clearly third party (he didn't name it "Tinder") and it's not trying to hide the fact that the content/service is from Tinder.  It clearly states that it's a Tinder client.  Your Coke example is apples vs. oranges because in the example you are talking about taking a company's product and claiming it as your own (stealing their brand).  That isn't the case here.  Also, it's a bad example anyway because people resell Coke all the time and as long as they make it clear where the product came from Coca-Cola is more than happy to let them do this.  It's pretty much their business model unless I missed something and consumers are buying their drinks directly from the Coca-Cola warehouse by the pallet these days.   I would agree that it may not be stricly legal, but what Rudy is doing is not unethical and comparing it to piracy or anything more than a violation of Tinder's arbitrary terms and conditions is not an accurate comparison.

Completely agree, i think it only ends up giving wp a bad name, and now a bunch of people slating the company, it will give them a bad taste for wp

You are right, but the thing is: the fact that you have a right, does not mean you SHOULD reclaim it. Look what Instagram made when Rudy lauched 6tag: they could demand the app to be pulled over, but instead of that, gave him their blessing after analyzing the code and approving it. Its good publicity, and great for the company image. 

Damn it!!! Sounds like an awesome update, and I missed it! Guess I'm stuck on V1.1 for now...

I think it is sad that they refuse to make an app for windows phone but someone is willing to do the work and they can't seem to worn together to let a third party app come through .

What happens with that open sourced tinder app that was also announced?

IMO, it is perhaps the reason of 6tindr compliant... They probably be confused

Once they agree to let the app back in store, will you release the update, even for 1 day to let WPcentral tell everyone, then downgrade before tinder pulls it again? :P

Boooooo no update for me:(

Damn I really needed that update! I don't really understand why Tinder would do this, considering the app is better than the clients for Android and iOS. They are crazy to have this app pulled - they reached the windows phone community and didn't have to pay a dime to do so!  

Yep, but they cant force adverts and make money that way. Shocking behaviour from yet another company.

You do realize that companies exist to make money right? That is the entire purpose, companies do not do things as a public service. Why is it wrong for a company to want to make money and why does it surprise you?

I sent tinder a stern letter. Lets all do the same. Ideas@gotinder.com

+1020 Sent. Long live WP! Long live Rudy!

Post it on SkyDrive or Twitter so we can re-tweet it a bunch of times to @Tinder. #MobileEquality, baby.

Rudy should develop his own OS. He moves faster MS. :)

sent!

We love you Rudy! Keep going on man!

Assholes

I think Tinder probably didn't like 6tindr is ad-supported.  I wonder if the open-source "tinder unauthorized" app still coming.

I dont think I've ever heard of a developer putting out so many quality apps as fast as Rudy. Truly amazing. I hope they're willing to work with him in some way. Work as great as that shouldn't go to waste.

I have none of his apps but congrats to that developer and his passion -for his work and the WP community!

Rudy, You sir are a Rockstar. I say WP community fund Rudy to create his own service bringing the best of all these services people like into one and a WP exclusive.

Rudy give us xap pls

You can download the xap from http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/6tindr/4c82cb8c-0a25-4e57-a094-a075b0e01209/xap?apptype=regular I think. It says you can use that to sideload using an SD card. No SD on my Lumia 1020; is there any other way to sideload the update?

It's encrypted.  It won't do you any good unless you have like one rare phone with an sd card slot.  We need him to post the unencrypted XAP.

I have like that one rare phone (Ativ S) but the store gives me a "Store error", "Error code: 80070057" when trying to update from sd. This error seams to be a server-side problem, any ideas? probably they managed to block installation of pulled apps via SD?

It's possible there's some kind of callback.  I know next to nothing about the SD card installation flow. Put your phone in airplane mode, then try installing it from the SD card again.

That was a really shitty move by Tinder; just shows they don't care about their users. I guess they were jelous that one guy did a better job on an app overnight then their whole team could in 15 months.  

They should sell tinder to Rudy, he can do a better job over 35 employees evidently.

Somebody should notify their funders of that.

Rudy, regardless of this move I can see your building a hell of a resume by producing better quality apps than the official companies. Don't stop! Your superior work ethic and true professionalism will eventually pay off.

Tinder acting like children, must be owned by google.

Would love to see a tapped app

Will Rudy make a grindr app instead? We need that in the WP community!

Agreed!!

we have one...it's called meet'em

I don't count that one lol. It's terrible. My wish is for a Rudy Huyn app. ;)

Deleted that anyway. Sucks. Don't know why he made that app. Ppl are demanding more important apps Rudy should make. Dropbox should be easy for him. And it wouldn't get pulled. Who cares about tinder

We already have a better cloud storage app on Windows Phone called SkyDrive. That void is filled. Rudy should continue to fill gaps in the ecosystem, not waste his time making apps for inferior services. Dropbox sucks.

Oh so that's y so many companies provide the option to save to your dropbox...because it sucks...whereas only Microsoft provides an option to for SkyDrive.idiot. Whenever there's a poll for a missing app ppl ask for BBM and dropbox, didn't even know what tinder was till Rudy made it

I can use dropbox on WinPhone: BoxFiles and FileBox are two that I know of. Unless you're in the cult if "official", you have options. SkyDrive is still superior. Just because something has a mire famous brand doesn't make it better, but go ahead and keep using insults instead of logic.

I've had to use Dropbox for work. I'm very familiar with it; it sucks in comparison to SkyDrive, especially for personal use: 2GB free vs. 7GB free, access across more devices, cheaper to buy more storage, built-in Office Web Apps that enable you to edit Word, Powerpoint, Excel, etc. files on any device with Internet access, a better UI that makes it easier to manage files, share them, and co-collaborate on them, etc. Dropbox has no business being name dropped alongside SkyDrive.

Don't quote me on this but skydrive is 25GB free for WP users. This could be a set limit or UK only but I recently got an email to inform me as such from MS.

Edit. It's 27GB.

25gb free in Australia

rudy's tinder garnered enough interest evidently. SkyDrive is great, but I'm a bit fatalistic on the arrival of BBM on WP8.

BlackBerry said Windows Phone isn't popular enough. Yet, Windows Phone is over 3x as popular as BlackBerry. Lol. BlackBerry is jealous.

Dropbox sucks.  Deal with it.

So, you didn't know what tinder was and yet call others idiots?

Wonder how this made you feel today http://www.wpcentral.com/rudy-huyn-releases-new-dropbox-app-windows-phone JUST HAVE TO LOL

In other words: You deleted it, because nobody wanted to date you.

Aww man u need an app to get dates or someone to show an interest in you? I'm sorry man. I didn't know. My sympathies

...Says the guy that already stated he downloaded the app.  Glass houses...stones...etc.

Who are you to decide what an independent developer is doing with his time?  Who are you decide that one app (that already has third party options) is more important than another (which doesn't have a third party option)?    Maybe you should get up off your ass and write your own Dropbox app.

Wonder how this made you feel today http://www.wpcentral.com/rudy-huyn-releases-new-dropbox-app-windows-phone I wouldnt even bother to gloat!

This is why WP is going to fail. Make the fans mad and remove the app, or make the devs mad and keep it. No win scenario for the platform.

WP is NOT going to fail because the vast majority of users are not idiots who make such moronic comments like yours, thankfully.

This is why we can't have nice things.
Original company/devs don't give a damn about WP8 users, but if someone does and brings awesome functionality to boot with replacement apps, they go all greedy corporation assholes on us users by forcibly removing said apps.
And I highly doubt they'll be bringing an official app anytime soon, and if they ever do they'll make some crap app that's far less functional than Rudy's version, and then proceed to never update it.
Plenty stupid move imho. The service would be getting more users and fans, do you have to be so greedy to not let the dev get a little ad money? I mean, they guy did all the job you weren't able to.
By dev standards that's plenty cheap you know? Anyways, kudos to Rudy... don't let stuff like that demotivate you, we WP8 users appreciate a lot your work - even those who don't use the apps. You could say that some companies out there are only bringing their stuff to the platform because they realized someone else is doing their job brilliantly.

Tinder is stupid anyway. The Facebook integration is scary.

It can only be as scary as what you are sharing on Facebook anyway

just read Rudy's letter and I actually said out lout "this guy is awesome!"

Read Rudy Huyn's letter to Tinder on SkyDrive and one can't help but understand why he is one of the classiest and most adult human beings on this planet....not to mention his pure genius! We in the Windows Phone community are blessed to have a developer like Rudy on our side.

Where can I find the aforementioned letter, please?

Here's the link to Rudy Huyn's letter: https://skydrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=544AB2F60FACB4A!6651&ithint=file%2c.pdf&app=WordPdf&wdo=2&authkey=!AEzTGg8DOQlDjPk

Thx.

Here's Tinder's original statement to Rudy. http://www.gotinder.com/terms/ Specifically #2.

I'm pretty sure he didn't actually violate any of those.  And even if he did, I doubt he agreed to them.  They make the api available for public use on the internet, so they're going to have to deal with the public accessing it.

And I hope Tinder will listen.

I hope they can work together to bring this app to WP8. Got the latest update. I wonder if the app still works.

To those who have the XAP file with a dev unlocked phone (I think you have it if you have the Preview for Devs), download this and try to update your 6tinder app. https://wptools.codeplex.com/ (Assuming you have the SDK tools) It may or may not work.

Yeah that would work great if we had an unencrypted xap.

Well..... Rudy got their attention.

Weeeeeak Tinder! Weak.

Great letter Rudy!

Let's call out Tinder and all other companies that don't make Windows Phone apps. I've started a thread about it here: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/259358-operation-mobileequality-lets-convince-companies-bring-apps-windows-phone.html#post2305222

Perhaps the app offered features that Tinder didn't want? Or perhaps they tried the app and had errors and decided that it was not an experience they wanted people to relate with Tinder! I personally downloaded 6tindr, and I signed in with a facebook account, entered my phone number, got the SMS code, entered it and all it did was say loading for ages and then "oups, an error has occured". Tinder have an image to protect and its highly understandable that they want to ensure that an app gets proper testing etc before being released to users. It's not such an uncommon thing actually.

The Android Tinder app is v.buggy. So it is clearly not because of a quality concern

What platform are you talking about? 6tindr so totally doesn't require you to fill in a phone number, nor get an SMS code to make it run. 6tindr for Windows Phone 8 is very stable on my phone, so what on earth are you talking about?

Signing in with a facebook account might trigger the 2 step SMS authentication if you have that enabled on FB. Quality aside. The bottom line is Rudy did not have a license to use Tinder's services. He reverse engineered it and is essentially stealing their service and brand from them - for profit.

Putting your message out on repeat doesn't make you right. Haven't you figured out that no one is arguing whether Tinder has a legal right to do what they're doing? They can still be assholes and morons within their rights.

Yeah they can be assholes.

WP8, it did, it required my phone number and sent me an SMS with a code. I did it twice and I recieved the same code in the SMS both times which I thought was odd? I don't have two factor set up on my facebook.

You must do because nobody else got that. Only 6snap would require phone number if I remember correctly.

Nope I don't have two-factor auth on facebook honestly, perhaps 6tindr thought I did and thats why it was bugging tho?

I'm surprised that such a letter came from Tinder and not from Snapchat.

Rudy really should have asked whether he can make the app before he went on developing it.

And you would still be waiting for an app for snapchat, Wikipedia, etc,etc.

Rudy's creations would make a great CNN report. Let's all make that happen via Twitter.
What say you?!

Although 6tindr was never an app I would use, i support Rudy and use his other apps. His letter was respectful and insightful. If they knock him back their service deserves to fail. Anyone stupid enough to restrict their client base in this way deserves to fail as a business. How short sighted and stupid. Just my two pennorth worth.

Wow, Tinder are a bunch of absolute morons! They have repeatedly said that WP8 is not a priority for them, and that they have no plans to build an app.
Rudy kindly steps in to fill the breach, and this is what they do?!!
They should be paying Rudy to develop their app...that's how good his app was! It was certainly a damn sight better than the half baked Android alternative.
I got the update...hopefully that means I will be able to keep the app for the foreseeable future. Tinder employees...stop behaving like school kids - either make us an app, or support those that do!

Rudy Huyn is the best developer for WP8. His apps make first party apps look like shit. It is good from
Rudy to bring up the potential interest of WP8 users for Tinder. Maybe they will wake up and see that WP is viable. To conclude: Rudy, we adore you. Tinder, you are an ass, just accept 6tindr...

I got the update but I don't think the app is working properly, unfortunately. Some people I dislike appear in my match list and I assume some people I like are rejected. But at the same time some matches come from people I've liked. So maybe both buttons send a 'like' signal. The worst part is that the app started out with both male and females. So I disliked a bunch of guys before figuring out I could just only search for girls. But now I'm getting flirts from guys who think we've matched...

Lol that is very strange because by default if your a guy it selects girls and vice versa

I understand that company's have to make money but as long as they don't have an WP app they can't make money with ads. So why don't leave the app in the store until they have their own app?

Could still be many other reasons. For one they may not want others to earn money from their service. It could also be that they (or some of their users) may not be happy that a 3rd party app is becoming better than their official one.

Everytime an unofficial WP app is announced, I'd believe the regular trolls here will make sure the original site knows about it asap. So Tinder would have probably known about it for a while but why only complaint about it now? Possibly was checking ouy what Rudy can do with it but now not happy seeing that it has surpassed their own official app?  I won't be surprised if the next update of the official Tinder app containing features from 6tindr. ;-)

That's what they are probably going to do. And than they pretend that all the new features where their idea. The first release of the WP app was 10 times better than version 2.2.1 on Android. I have seen the app at least on two different android devices and they both had problems locating the position. Not to mention the horrible GUI. I'm just disappointed. Hope something is happening there at tinder.

That letter is how you approach these issues. Positive, professional, considerate and inviting.   Now whether the Tinder people respond in kind is another matter and maybe some people here should take some queues from the letter on how to behave in a public forum and not be an actual anti-advocate by making pointless and borderline abusive and harmful remarks. Services like Tinder are maybe not primarily interested in WP (yet) but bombarding them with negative responses and being hostile towards them will certainly not be helping. Also I dare make the claim the biggest voices here likely do not even use Tinder and are just here to stir up the pot. Trust me ppl, you're not helping. Not one bit. 

Rudy, you are a credit to wp. The thing is you are obviously very smart but also have a tallant for style and art, I think it was Alan sugar that said that combination is as rare as rocking horse poo and would snap them up without a seconds thought

I uninstalled it because I don't like any app that only allows you to log in using your Facebook account - because it wants access to your contact list and other information. There should always be a register option outside of Facebook.

Yeah but that's a limitation of tinder, not the app.

If they're not going to make an app for Windows Phone then let third party apps fill the gap for them. It's not costing them a penny and if anything, it's growing the Tinder platform. This could even show these companies that there is interest in their app on WP so they can start developing one or work with third party developers to help them make the app. I'm sorry but that's just BS.

If they're not going to make an app for Windows Phone then let third party apps fill the gap for them. It's not costing them a penny and if anything, it's growing the Tinder platform. This could even show these companies that there is interest in their app on WP so they can start developing one or work with third party developers to help them make the app.

That is why i created a bogus FB acct for all my social apps.  

Tinder is behaving like a kid. Firstly they don't have their official app in the Windows store and when Rudy filled in the gap, they take down his app. How pathetic can that be. If one looks at it from the other side, he was giving Tinder popularity on the Windows Platform for free. None of the other companies for which he developed apps never took any action and I definitely think they made a wise decision. I don't use Tinder but yet I feel the treatment Rudy got was really harsh. Lets hope Tinder accepts Rudy's petition and they work along together to bring an official app for the WP community to enjoy.

I didn't know Tinder before this app. Glad I still have it.

Saw just 25 retweets for Rydy Huyn`s tweet to #Save6tindr.Are there not many WP users who use twitter?

argh. I want 1.2. but. at least I do still have 1.1, soooo... eat that, tinder!

If you have a SD Card support, you can download de .xap file and install manualy, still working: http://www.windowsphone.com/pt-br/store/app/6tindr/4c82cb8c-0a25-4e57-a094-a075b0e01209    

yay!

Yeah if you have one of the two phones that take SD cards :/

Did any lucky person get the update in time?

There's an update for app folder!

This is my letter to Tinder: To whom it may concern: It has come to my attention that the application 6tindr, built by the very popular Windows Phone developer Rudy Huynh, was pulled from the Windows Phone app store recently.  I have read Rudy’s letter to you, as a link was posted on the mobilenations sub site, WPCentral  (to be clear, I do not know or have ever communicated with Rudy). It seemed respectful and open to the needs of your company, but I cannot speak to or speculate on the communications and agreements that you two may have had so far or in the future.  I CAN however, communicate to you my experience thus far with both Rudy’s app build and how I felt about your service itself. So far, the experience has been a grand whirlwind of fun, even a bit of excitement as I am blown away by just how addictive and compelling the idea of Tinder is!  I have already had a good conversation with a like minded person whom I matched with, told my friends about the service so they could check it out on their respective platforms and logged in an embarrassing amount of time in 6tindr despite it's VERY recent release.  I was also impressed that the app had two major updates addressing user feedback, one within hours of its release!   I find that it is not uncommon for companies to hire teams of people to work on apps, which can be a daunting proposition when you are expanding to a new, developing platform.  I can talk all day about how Windows has had a tremendous amount of growth in platform, user base and app store in the past 6 months and how exciting of a time it is to be a customer in this ecosystem, but I know that you are a business and sometimes enthusiasm alone is not enough to make a business decision. So, I'll put it like this: One guy made a really good Tinder app for Windows Phone. Not a team of contracted software engineers taking up payroll, and with no need to keep up on maintaining it as he is obviously working hard to make things as perfect as they can be. It's clearly third party, I don't think people are confused by the branding and I obviously think Rudy would be very flexible in this regard. I am of course, just a fan. My arguments are based on my short but exciting time using this app, using the services of Tinder, and are biased toward my own wants and needs.  I am however one of many, many who are ready to download and experience what you guys have to offer. With Windows Phone growing, Microsoft ready to make a strong push into Enterprise (more people bringing Windows Phone home means more families exposed to the platform) and inexpensive phones like the Lumia 520 making HUGE waves in the budget phone category (a young target audience, much like your service) I think the inevitable need of an official or unofficial app is obvious.   On this platform, some presence, even an outsourced third party presence is better than NO presence. If that doesn't exist, then Tinder simply doesn't exist. That may seem dramatic, but I do not think there is any argument to be made against it.   Thank you for your time reading this, and I hope it at the very least gives you pause to contemplate the decisions that have been made and what the implications are of future choices on this matter.  Also, thank you again for creating the concept in the first place.. it was a blast for the past couple of days, and hopefully will be for many more! -David Garcia, Ann Arbor Michigan.   Sent from my Lumia 1020

Sent from Lumia 1020! Wow, you're really good at typing on your phone.

There is one reason and one reason alone why these third party apps are pulled and it all comes down to public humiliation and calling the bluff on these services. These companies, a lot of times go online to get financed because supposedly it's so difficult to develop their crap and one guy with very limited resources, in just a few days builds a similar service only way better, of course it's shameful for the official app. Just look at all the fuss to bring instagram to WP! They had to work with Nokia and Microsoft to build that crap they call an official app, which is still a beta version, and one guys does a hell of a better job in just a few days?!?! How many updates did 6tag received comparing to the official instagram? To all those who say "oh but its official", I say it's official crap. ALL OF RUDY'S APPS ARE WAY BETTER THAN THE ORIGINAL VERSION, and that's what pisses them off.

My thoughts exactly, well said Marco.

100% red faced by 3rd party apps.

You completely forget about all the backend that the company develops, the client app is very often the smallest part

You know, where I live there's a saying that goes "the worst blind are the ones that don't want to see".

I actually have no idea what that saying is supposed to mean

It's not "forgetting" the backend. The backend is built and they can't build a WP client because the resources aren't justified by the demand? That's proven BS when a individual can do it...quickly and in superior fashion.

The backend isn't something that is just built - in many cases (if not all), it is continuing to be developed, constantly changing.  The backend for 'real' apps requires much more work than any front-end app does, and i'm not trying to say that the client app is simple, many times it isn't.   The point is really that Rudy is potentially profiting from the work of another company.  He is giving a user experience to a bunch of users that aren't supported by the company, when they make a change to the backend service it might just ruin everything Rudy has done - which, will not be reflected bad against Rudy, it will be the users of the app moaning to the company who's service has been ripped off.   you may think that work on WP is easy to justify (and my company does, but we have windows at the heart of our company), many start-ups or companies running under investment can't just do it, they have to justify it, which means analysing the impact of doing (or not doing) it.   There are just so many reasons that what Rudy has done is wrong, and at the end of the day, Tinder have every right to do what they have done and pull the app - we can't maon about that decision because it is their right.  We should moan at Rudy for creating an app, doing a really good job (as he always does) that he hasn't had the authority to write - he is the one that has caused the bad experience here for users.

And you completely forget the point that the backend/apis are already developed. Creating an app on a similar standing for all platforms is easy.

FATAL FLAW: Rudy didn't build the service, Rudy was STEALING the service Tinder built. Rudy can go build his own dating service and app. But he chose to steal from Tinder.

Yes. I do see why you picked that particular screen name.

Glad I was able to straighten you out during your loss in this debate. I am sorry that your original argument was so poor and that you had no intelligent response when I poked a fat hole in it. Better luck next time Marco.

Commas are important. It's "Better luck next time, Marco." Don't giant veggies go to grammar school?

You are relentless in your defense of this shortsighted decision. I'm assuming that you're not a Windows Phone user and this dogmatic argumentation is purely fun for you.

No he didn't build the service he built an app to give the service a bigger user base which would actually help the company.

The update sucks. Back button is broken, so the app crashes everytime it is pressed.

Try to put someone in your "match list". This happens when the list is empty.

I think they are jealous!
Since this app wasn't costing them a penny. Rudy had added features probably they never thought off :p especially since those features are not on the other platforms... .

Comedy gold in these comments.

I was just gonna say the same thing, lol. Never a dull moment here at WPC

Great letter, that guy is a must have to develop windows phone apps at it's maximum level, can someone do something for him. #lovewindowsphone

Tinder needs to hire this guy!

No, Tinder's funders need to fire the current staff and hire Rudy.

I have no idea what Tinder does or is but when the owners of IP have things pulled when they have no suitable alternative I have to question the intent. This reminds me of the spat with the BBC newsfeed which was pulled and reimagined as paperboy yet some months on and no official client from the BBC.

They need to take a leaf out of Wikipedia's book- just make Rudy's app the official one. It would cost them nothing.

Anyone stop to think that it was pulled simply because he included features not native to the Tinder application and the vision they had for it when they created it? The going back to change your vote feature, for example...while I like the feature, perhaps this is something they never wanted to be allowed with the application. Just seems a bit ironic is was pulled RIGHT AFTER he updated the app with non native Tinder features.

The app was reported to Microsoft before the update.

I think it's high time Microsoft allows home brew market. One of the reason Android is a successful platform is the possibility to side load Apps unto the system. And I believe if Microsoft weren't controlling the platform so tightly, the likes of Google, Instagram, Tinder wouldn't be able to snob, cease and desist the new Windows MOBILE platform successfully.

That would be the day I buy an iphone. No anarchy/malware/virus/snooping bs on my phone, this thing is too personal.

No one would require you to side load. You could still stay in the safe garden of the Store.

If by stealing, you mean intellectually overshadowing Tinder and co's official client in a few days time and borrowing their own resources (which ostensibly are modular and dynamic, read: they use Facebook for user data front-end) and somehow stealing profits (?). To be clear, putting ads on an app should not count as stealing profit, as it was never profit that was going to Tinder anyway (ESPECIALLY because Tinder never contracted, nor paid, Rudy to develop a client, nor any shared API data with him - yes, this part is explicitly against TOS, but that does not qualify as 'stealing' - although be leery of the open source Tinder WP project, which promised to divulge Tinder API data, where I'm thinking this problem may have festered from the most). Furthermore, the ads are virtually completely out of sight and are removable (Rudy doesn't get paid, except from that ad revenue, according to his posts). Your speculation on the HERE services capitalization is heresy as far as I'm concerned. You have no evidence of how Rudy actually earns money (and no place to talk about it publicly), and I highly doubt that is the reason why Tinder pulled his app. I'd like to believe that this will be worked out in our favor, however, and that everybody will win from this debacle. Your slander against Rudy and his 'stealing' is unjust, unqualified, and perjerous. Hopefully, we can wait like good little boys and girls to hear the verdict from Tinder after all of this is said and done. In the meanwhile, I'm out. Have a great weekend, and as always, think before you speak! :-)

No love for Windows Phone.. Literally.

What is tinder?

I downloaded the update on my microSD card this morning and windows phone store on my 1520 recognizes it but I get error code 80070057 after tapping install. I think it must be performing an online validation check. Any way to bypass this?

Try putting your phone in airplane mode, then installing it again.  Just a guess, but I'd like to hear back from someone who has tried it.

Tried it, I get a "cannot connect to store. your phone is in airplane mode." even though I'm trying to install from SD card. There has to be a workaround!

Yeah I figured that's what it would do.  I'm guessing that the store sends a encrypted key to decrypt the xap to your phone that can only be decrypted by a non-exportable key on your phone.  We'll have to wait for the unencrypted XAP.

I just messaged them on fb. what happened to the Awesome Windows Phone 8 app of Tinder? I recommended it to a friend and she told me she couldn't find it. She was right its gone. Please bring it back to the WP store. That was probably one of the best apps I have ever used. thanks for your time. Hope to see the app back in the store soon. And this is the answer Thanks for your support and feedback! Haha great CRM

In general, this sucks for the wp platform (i reckon tinder will either feel forced into the platform, or pushed away from the platform - either way, we get no app, or a crap app with no love put into it). It also sucks to be a user of the app that had paid to have the ads removed, now out of pocket. The only good stuff that happens here is for Rudy, he profits out of other companies hard work, and gets himself a good name. Please just stop, put the skills into an actual idea of your own - its really easy just to rip of other peoples ideas and make money out of them, much harder to make money out of an idea from scratch. If i owned one of the companies, I'd be pissed that someone came along and started making money out of my service that had taken a long time, lot of effort to build, countless meeting trying to raise money from investors - time to grow up Rudy, do it yourself

It's interesting you say that, when Tinder basically sucks every info out of FB.

Big difference though when you base your business off allowed api's, and providing a completely new service to people. I'm not a user if tinder, but they aren't ripping it all off another business. In fact, they are exactly the kind of thing fb wants....your point is irrelevant

How are you out of pocket? The app still works and you don't have ads on it.

anybody got this running on an ativ s?

Do we have filesystem access to the ativ S yet?

yes we do
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2451783

I think you're thinking what I'm thinking.  Excellent.

I might be thinking what you are thinking, but somebody gotta do it.
and I am getting pretty desperate for the 1.2 update...

It's either that or con rudy into sharing it.  So basically we're going to have to wait for someone with a samsung device who installed/updated to 1.2 to read this.

That's pretty much what I figure too.

Don't bother upgrading. I'm on an Ativ S. It crashes everytime you hit the back button. You cannot look at anyones profile, because once you do, there is no way to go back.
You can't even hit the buttons on top of the picture with the Heart or X.

this issue only occurs if your contact list is empty, as far as i know

These silicon valley snobs will go out of their way to take a dump on Redmond. It's irrational but that is the nature of competition. So much for an open source web connected world. They are all too willing to open up source code as long as they control the standard. Despite this, the market and consumer demand always wins. As for BlackBerry's snub with BBM, I have a nice little chuckle every time I work with a company that is phasing out BBE. That's like a squatter snubbing the deed to the property next door.

I have version 1.2 installed but lately I stopped getting messages from the people I'm talking to. And also got a toast notification within the app that Tinder requested Microsoft to remove and block the app. Does that mean the app will eventually stop working?

If its on your device it should continue working.

Cool thx!

I was able to update update the right before all this went down...not sure if its working at all now but I did send a tweet expressing my frustration...oh well

Do you guys care this much that its gone?

If I was Tinder I would do the same. Not because I don't like Rudy's apps etc, but because I would want to be in complete control of my user experience. I think Rudy has a working relationship with Snapchat doesn't he? Like they have given him a list of things he can't put in his app like screenshots etc....I guess it's totally up to Tinder, I mean if they don't have plans for a WP app, it probably would be in their best interest to have a relationship with Rudy like Snapchat, but this may mean they have an official app just around the corner so it might not be all bad!

Yet another reason why the Windows Phone community shoud start up their more of their own ventures into special sites/apps/networks. This way, the platform is no longer held hostage by the latest and greatest new app by devs that only seem to think only iOS and/or Android users exist. Or just have some beef supporting a Microsoft platform or worse: being paid by Apple/Google to delay or never make a WP app. Of course the app version would be Windows Phone first, and either allow Android/iOS versions or exclude them to make it so WP users can add it to the arsenal of "must-have" apps that don't exist on other platform. Microsoft has needed to fight fire with fire for sometime now. Unfortunately, too many people depend on Google for their search, mail, calendar, YouTube, etc. Microsoft's working their way up with its own services, but they still have a lot of catching up to do in terms of making each service a true better alternative.

That was a well put together letter. I reckon the reason they pulled it was because the leaking of their api calls on geotag, and they didn't know who did it hence the app for pulled.
Hopefully they will allow rudys app back, as he said they are completely eliminating wp users by doing this, and even though it is the smallest market share, it is only the smallest at the moment.

For those of us that installed the app and the update, can we still use it? Wasn't sure if the service was going to stop or not. I've still been able to like/dsilike pics and what not, but wasn't sure if that would soon stop or not.