From the Forums: Internet Explorer 90s commercial and Microsoft's potential downfall?

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Forum member AdalLS has brought to the attention a Forbes opinion piece, written by Adam Hartung. The article goes into the negatives surrounding Microsoft and its performance. Taking into account numerous sources, it's a definite downer and is perfect for reading on a rainy day. A short snippet of the opening paragraph:

"Microsoft needed a great Christmas season. After years of product stagnation, and a big market shift toward mobile devices from PCs, Microsoft’s future relied on the company seeing customers demonstrate they were ready to jump in heavily for Windows8 products – including the new Surface tablet. But that did not happen."

Now whatever you may feel about the author, website or sources used in the editorial, it definitely sparks up the debate on "what if?" What if Microsoft did go down a down spiral path of self-destruction? It's a difficult thought to process - a world without Microsoft. An impossibility? 

So is this really the end of Microsoft, or the beginning of the company's downfall? Add your thoughts and opinions in the "Forbes heralds the end of times for Microsoft" thread.

Microsoft needs to watch out for RIM

BlackBerry 10 is shortly upon us and Microsoft is already struggling to gain traction in the industry, so what's going to happen when RIM hits back? Forum member jjmurphy believes Microsoft should focus on improving relations with developers. Both those already established on the platform and who have yet to submit an app.

A number of suggestions on how the company can quickly improve things have been provided:

  1. Make submitting apps free for the rest of 2013, including the tools necessary to build them.
  2. Change the marketplace to hide 1-2 star apps unless the end user requests to see them. (setting a review threshold that apps have to receive before filters kick in.)
  3. Change the marketplace to really promote 4-5 star high quality apps.
  4. Set a monetary pay off system. i.e. If you have an app that stays 4 stars for x-months, give a bonus. Make it a scale so that developers will want to keep adding value to an app.
  5. Fix their own apps. FB, Photosynth, etc. 

Be sure to add your suggestions of what you want to see Microsoft do for developers in the "Microsoft needs to pay attention to RIM in regards to developers" thread.

Miscellaneous: humorous 90s Internet Explorer 10 commercial

Our own Krystea has embedded this pretty humorous Internet Explorer 10 commercial on the forum, which sees Microsoft recap on everything that rocked back in the 90s. It's also a really well put together advertisement. How does one feel about IE now we're on Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8?

You can check out the discussion in the "Nostalgic IE10 commercial" thread. Care to relive your 90s moments and memories?

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  • Love it!
  • Yea finally a commercial I can get behind
  • What an amazing nostalgic commercial....MS been killing it lately on the Ad campagin. 
  • Only people totally ignorant of how vital Microsoft is to corporate America would think about Microsoft's downfall caused by all this hoopla about Windows 8 devices. Microsoft is pretty much too big to fail.
  • While that is true, it still doesn't mean they should give up and drop the ball on us and not take care of an essential piece of an everyday device: MUSIC and SYNC. For some, including my self, it's very important.
    I want to eventually stop using my 80GB Zune and be able to play music I bought with my own hard earned cash, on my phone. But that's just completely impossible. And the longer they make me wait, the more I feel that they just don't care for me as a consumer of their products. I feel betrayed.
  • i took music i bought on my zune and downloaded it to my focus, now on my lumia 920,  whats the problem? 
  • How exactly did you do that? And did the music actually play? I'm on XP @ work and home, There is no way for any of the music to play on my 920 at all. Unless I go and convert everything into mp3, but that just creates 3 copies of each song. That's over 32Gb of music that I would have to convert. I tried transfering the music manually, although it is saved on my 920, xbox music will not recognize it, and neither would Nokia music.
  • About Microsoft's downfall. I doubt it will continue because everyday I keep having people tell me that they really want a surface or a windows phone because of its beauty , some are even giving up their iPhones for one
  • in 2 year time android might even be history
  • I don't think Android is ever going anywhere, but I do believe Android and WP will be the 2 major players in the mobile world. Apple will fall to a close 3rd unless they really turn things around and pump out something innovative instead of just making evolitionary changes to an aging OS.
    RIM might not be completely dead either for that matter, but they will definitely be relegated to a niche market.
    Nokia was a great powerhouse, then hit a slump. Now they are turning things around and gaining back some momentum. I truly am looking forward to the future of the mobile world. Right now we are so far ahead of where we were just a few years ago.
  • I don't think Microsoft will vanish. They are a vital part to businesses around the world. No one is as established and set in stone in the business area than Microsoft.
  • I dunno.  Companies could be thinking now is the time to switch to Android Server or iSQL. /s
    I don't think the general public realizes how big MS is.
    Data centers:
  • I don't understand what your telling me. Are you saying Microsoft is too big to go anywhere? Or are you telling me that Microsoft is replaceable, because your. comment kind of contradicts.
  • Agreed lol..
  • I believe the first line was probably sarcasm as no business will (probably ever) be using an android server, makes no sense as they get everything they need from Linux alone and Android would just be malware on top. ... just a guess though
  • Uh... The majority of servers on the web do run on Linux. Not sure what you're getting at... Parts of MSFT run on Linux servers too.
  • Not all servers are webservers.  We have file sharing, SharePoint, media, backup, etc. servers.
    Also, we do quite a bit of .NET development.  We tried, again, in Q4/2012 running our solutions on Linux with Mono (openSUSE and Ubuntu), but it just wasn't practical from our business standpoint (we are still pondering moving the PostgreSQL databases onto Linux -- but do we want to break up our homongenous environment for two servers?).
    Could I find a replacement for each MS product we use?  Sure -- but for our business, the interoptibility between the MS's products we use is unmatched.
  • there is a "/s" after his first sentence, indicating that the first sentence was sarcastic :)
  • I am finding that a lot of people don't know about the /s.  They get all mad until I explain it; then I punch them in the back of their heads to drive the point home.
  • I've never heard of that either. Try :) Edit: looks like WPC cuts all HTML tags rather than converting them to entities like they should. I now see why you use /s here.
  • Lol.  Irony punctuation still hasn't caught on with the masses -- and there are several types of the punctuation, which doesn't help with the uptake.  When I first learned about them, I went to Wikipedia to learn more since the standard seems de facto -- my summary from the wiki:
    It is common in online conversation among computer specialists to use a pseudo-HTML element: <sarcasm></sarcasm>. Many times, the opening tag is omitted, due to the HTML tagging often being an afterthought. Similarly, and common in social-news-based sites, is a single /s placed at the end of a comment to indicate a sarcastic tone for the preceding text. "Rolling eyes" and ":P" emoticons are often used as well, particularly in instant messaging, while a Twitter-style hashtag, #sarcasm, is also gaining currency.
    I use "/s" since it is short and easy to reach.
  • Hmm, fortunes changes quickly in the consumer world. Microsoft should focus on enterprise, and they are less likely to fail
  • Really?
    Ok... just know that people said very similar shit when the first XBox came out... it couldn't compete, it wasn't selling as well as the PS2 (at the time) Lord knows it couldn't compete with Nintendo, it'll never take off in Japan, etc.
    Low-n-behold, what has heppened?
    Most people are about as short sighted as the average gold fish and want to see MS fail so they can say, "Iknew it!". But there's a reason you're sitting behind your keyboard typing about them, and they are making billions of dollars.
  • Well said..and mind I say that they are typing on a microsoft PC while predicting Microsoft's downfall!!
  • +1 I always think that exact thought lol
  • They said the same thing about Android too. no way could it compete with the iPhone. They said Apple would hold onto number 1 and couldn't see any other company able to compete with it...then cake Samsung. Now carriers don't want to bring in too many ATIV phones from Samsung for fears that one company will hold all the power again, like apple. Microsoft isn't going away, and neither is Windows 8, WP8, XBOX.
  • You are so right.. Nicely put.
  • The demise of Microsoft is the wishful thinking of those who are trying to steer the weak minded to iAnything products. Why the hell are those who don't like Microsoft keep on commenting on Microsoft. This $*?t is getting old.
  • That video is amazing, POGS!!! Haha
  • Loved pogs
  • + 10000000
  • "Make submitting apps free for the rest of 2013, including the tools necessary to build them."
    ^This x 1000000000000.
    Also, the tools necessary to build apps are already free (always have been far as I can remember)
  • I like the little dig at Instagram!
  • I think it's more at social apps and services in general :) still, good one
  • Microsoft needs to do a better job at showing how good Windows 8 & Windows Phone 8 really is. Show how everyday people are using the platforms. I hate to see IOS and Android (which is a cheap knock of IOS) commercials showing the different uses of their os. I would do a commercial with some of the more dedicated WP and Surface users using it in everyday functions such as updating Facebook and Twitter, showing how secure Outlook really is for enterprise (similar to the Samsung ATIV commercial) and finally the need to get moving on the apps. Without good apps, then yeah I can see the platforms dying off.
  • Yes the samsung ATIV commercial is exactly what corporate understand how such product is good for enterprise. Actually in France, the promotional campaign for WP8 is not as strong than the one Samsung did for the launch of Galaxy SIII.
  • I agree. Maybe we all should send Microsoft suggestions of our ideas for better marketing. One thing they have done is to use Microsoft products on Hawaii 5-0.
  • The Cam Newton commercials were pretty good I thought. The Verizon ones also in that they showed how use live tiles.
    Would like to know how much response those commercials got.
  • I really feel whomever does the IE commercials should be doing the entire companies' advertising.
  • I can't view the video on my lumia 900
  • Get the free Microsoft's YouTube app from the Marketplace. Contrary to popular belief it's not only a "website wrapper". Installing it enables your WP to play youtube videos started from links in the WPCentral app.
  • Yeah I have that, I watch YouTube videos via the app all the time, this is the first time I haven't been able to watch actually. Also tried to view after launch it through the browser, but that didn't work either.
  • Everyone that checks out my Surface and 920 love them but act like they've never heard of the devices. I guess they are living in a cave.
  • Shit, my eyes was wet after watching it...damn, is it only me or wat? lol
  • Nope! Mine too man! No shame here!
  • Same here. No shame.
  • Mine did because my parents refused to buy me and my brother pogs! :'(
  • i was like "dude... its just a commercial....don't... no .. don't". And there was the teardrop. 
  • Microsoft in not vital just to America, it's vital to the whole world!
  • I feel older than I already do lol after seeing that. Anyway, MS SQL Server is very dominant in mid-size companies, what would our office do without Excel or Access would be pitiful, the article is a bunch of spin, they are not reliant on just two products for a disproportionate amount of their sales like certain valuable competitors, or even one product like a "Do No Evil" company.
  • I think it is time to changes Google's slogan... Simply due to the ridiculous attacks against Windows Phone 8 with YouTube, Google maps, calander/ contact support, refusal to build apps, etc... I had serious respect for Google and used their services until this ridiculous hatred against Microsoft.... They are stooping too low for me....
  • Cheers to that about..."Do No Evil, except to windows phone 8" lol I need something shorter
  • Slick ad my only complaint is that they should of added Windows Phone and Xbox 360 at the end.
    About MS downfall... Come on guys Windows 8, Phone 8 are all brand new give it some time not everybody is going to buy into it right away. If MS kills it with the Surface line this year you can expect bigger sales Q4 2013.
    WP8 and developers. I agree MS should cough up $$ lets see what happens.
  • I was born in the 80's but the 90's made me! Great commercial! Nostalgia at it's finest!
  • That's my Gen as well and they got so many of the things I remember from my childhood. Pogs, Lisa Frank folders, L.A. Gear light-up shoes, neon fanny packs...sigh, those were good times. Did they show a Trapper Keeper, i can't remember if they did.
  • I don't think they did, but yeah, the greatest time in history lol. Yo-yos was my ish! LA gear shoes too!
  • Its a very sad state of affairs when people have nothing better to than to try their hardest to destroy a company especially when the company has just freshened all their main products and is building momentum in sales for some of them yes it is taking longer but the figures will show an upward trend of adoption plus people on this forum that have a windows phone maybe
    the time is right for windows 8 and surface pro purchases the more successful those are the more successful windows phone will be give Microsoft some of our support like they have for us in the IT industry and also everyone that has a job that uses an ms pc/laptop etc
  • I LOVE THE 90s THE BEST COMMERCIAL EVER I'm 24 yrs old so the 90s was my life all those things I remember like it was yesterday :D
  • I agree only just watched it its a great commercial
  • Yeah its a great commercial...remembered those days back
  • Cool ad. Does bring back some memories (especially the pogs and trolls). Instagram and Facebook pokes were funny. Though not sure that helps in attracting those apps (more Instagram as we have an "official" FB one). As for MS, I really hope things work out for their vision. I think they are on the right track. But there does seem to be something that isn't clicking with the masses (and I'm committed to this WP for the next two years). I just know there have been other brands entrenched in the culture in the past and due to changing times, that didn't matter and no longer exist.
  • Awesome commercial that makes me cry. My parents never bought us Pogs. :(
  • Try ebay :)
  • Thanks! :D
  • Yes the 90's were the best and that early internet was exciting. Anyone else have a Geocities page?
  • I did. Think I had an Angelfire one too. Remember when every webpage used frames for the layout?
  • I think MS is on the cusp of a new golden era, like when Win95 first came out. So people I know love the gear.... If you build it they will come
  • I actually had the pog maker. Made a s#$t load of them. Got them taken away by my social studies teacher. He never gave them back
  • Businesses-Microsoft
    Google- Microsoft. Because No F'ing way you searched for anything on a Mac In the 90's(up until '07 for that matter)
    Games- Microsoft
    Flight Sim- Microsoft
    Word-Microsoft Forbes- Is....RETARDED
  • Superbowl commercial guarenteed. This + Superbowl means a lot of attention for Microsoft from the most important generation for their products.
  • Microsoft May remain but they're making ridiculous decisions, e.g. overpricing their products wwhen Google sells inexpensive products MS will be putting up the price of Win 8 soon... Customer loyalty is not very important to them either (killing WinMobile without upgrading it and doing the same basically to WinPhone 7, denying the newest DirectX, MS Office and IE to those who run their older OS's). They seem to forget that a happy customer is a returning customer and look at that meagre 2.5% marketshare in smartphones... They did all they could to be so insignificant in that sector and will probably keep on making similar mistakes - look at the ridiculous 1 gran for a toy that is aging fast, namely their beefed up surface tablet...
  • I tend to say things on the internet that are contrarian because I'm unemployed and not very smart (or liked) in the real world
  • Same old song and dance with you my friend, Hit The Lights, Breathing Underwater or whatever you're calling yourself this month.
  • It's only overpriced to you and others because so many people expect everything to be free. They charged $40 bucks to upgrade to Windows 8 and $70 to buy the physical copy which included 5 licenses for the past few months, what more do you want? And please stop the endless whining about upgrades to your phone. Apple gets away with it with it because they keep putting out the same OS with software tweaks every year. Google is a joke about upgrades unless it's a Nexus, and being able to flash your phone doesn't count because because the average consumer doesn't understand the concept. And MS just did two major shifts in their phone OS in the past 2-3 years that would have required them to completely reset everyone's phones to get a new OS on them which I guarantee you would not be a fun time for most people.
  • That's a great promotional video...really fantastic and beautifully made. It really has potential to just "connect" with people in a way that Microsoft has not been able to do with previous marketing; I hope they turn it into an actual TV commercial and air it widely.
  • I am a devoted Microsoft fan and throughout the past few years I showed my devotion to the company and the brands by buying MS products, using MS services, ditching Gmail for Hotmail just to name a few.
    Yet, at the end of this month, I HAVE TO buy a tablet computer. I'm a teacher and in order to continue my self education and to meet the needs of the children I educate I simply have to buy an affordable tablet computer. I stretched it out as long as I could, hoping the surface will somehow magically appear here in my country (Hungary) or nearby or perhaps a future release date announcment will be made at least... and this is not about legal issues, it is simply marketing. So I am sad to say, that the end of this month, I will be forced to buy an iPad.
    Let noone be fooled, I am an Xbox Ambassador, a proud Lumia 820 owner, a heavy gamer and a long time Windows Beta Tester. But if Microsoft continues its attitude towards marketing and cunsumer relations, its going to start losing people. People as dedicated and as worried about the future of the ecosystem as myself.
  • Apple have the education market wrapped up with the iPad. Their interactive educational textbooks are leagues ahead of anyone else. It's not about specs and features sometimes. The iPad has a much better screen than the surface anyway. I would like both of course :)
  • Why in the world would you buy an ipad? Its true that is hard to get hold of a surface but surely you can get another windows 8/windows rt tablet in hungary?And they will be much more usefull to you as a teacher than an ipad ever will
  • Can't see a reason why wouldn't there be any resellers in Hungary being able to sell you a Surface shipped from UK or imported from the US. The only problem may be limited touch cover availability. Here in Poland you can only get a black one bundled with the Surface, nobody seems to import the coloured ones which MS sells seperately. My US-layout Surface with Touch Cover cost over $800 with taxes, but it's still cheaper and better than an ipad.
  • If you want a decent tablet how about the Asus Vivotab (not the rt one)? My parents just got two and I played around with it, it's a pretty good tablet and it runs $499, has NFC, a decent back camera (better than my Surface), I believe it has about 64 gigs, and a host of other goodies.
  • Hey, you raised several excellent points there, so let me just reply to these one by one in a few sentences:
    @gilesjuk Apple's education programme is definitely something to watch out for, but I mostly want to create cross platform experiences in HTML 5 and for this a Surface tablet would be an excellent option. But I guess Safari would work just fine as well.
    @Dare2Blink Both iPad and Windows 8 tablets have their advantages, but for now the only tablet available here is the ASUS Vivo Tab. Despi