Samsung ATIV SE image leaked, Windows Phone 8.1 device destined for Verizon

I agree with you friend!

+1020

....so apparently you have seen and held this phone?  Impressive job of over-generalizing with no actual facts.  You should apply for a job with the Republican National Committee...

is there a samsung phone that doesn't match his description? I'd say he is basing his opinion on the history of samsung and the image above. The key words in the article is metallic looking. Cheap plastic that looks like aluminium is enough for me to say no thanks.

The Ativ phones were always real aluminum. They often look better than the Galaxy phones.

It doesn't look much different from the S3, the S4 or the S5. So it's not much of a stretch.
I remember a different party suggesting that congress pass a bill based off of generalizations and no actual facts. Maybe you've forgotten "pass it, then we can read it".
I believe that we all would be better off if we kept our fanboy-isms in check, whether that be for smartphones, politics, religion, etc.

+2520, +Icon, I like the way you think! :)

I agree. Why do all these threads degenerate into political/national themes?

No idea, how someone associates another's opinion on smartphones with their own biased political ideology is beyond me. Frankly, the off kilter remark just makes him look bad.

Nice

And the pot just called the kettle black...

Yes,it the Ativ that's currently on wp

Turning assumptions about a phone into a political jab? Stretch...

Yeah because the Democrats are so freaking perfect. Look how prosperous Detroit is.

Then maybe that Samesung ugly ass phone was made in Detriot.

Or the DNC...

More like Democratic. 

+920

They don't call it nokia fanboy central for nothing folks! 

I just picked up the Lumia Icon and am VERY happy with it.  I must say my first Nokia phone is a nice one!  I'm sure this phone will be nice too, but I think in the end the Icon will be a better choice for most that love Windows Phone.  Good to see Samsung still supporting the OS though.  +1 Icon!

Fat heavy phones with huge bezels? No thanks. Samsung would destroy Nokia if they'd promote a complete product line of WP phones.

Lol Dumbass Samsung Would Destroy Lumia's Haha Was it a joke.

LOL!!!

Samsung? Destroy Nokia? LOL Right now the only company that can destroy Nokia is Microsoft.

Have you ever used an Ativ S? I would not give it for a 920, maybe a 1020 or 925 but that's all. I really like what Nokia did and is still doing for the ecosystem, but indeed, if Samsung wanted to release a killer Windows Phone, they would in weeks. They just won't because they don't care. Their phones are plastic-like (including their Android line) because they know they will sell anyway. And believe it or not, but this exact same plastic is nice looking and not that fragile :-)

I don't think so. Samsung has its territory on android but on windows phone Nokia is the boss. I think you're underestimating Nokia, go to Wikipedia so you can see who has always been the best seller phone maker in history.

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I agree doing your research is always best

But to me it's like the difference when I close the door of my Scion vs. when I close the door on a a luxury car. My door closes and works fine but everytime I use a luxury car door, I have a sense of something well built and solid and when I use my door...not so much.

+this... Lol

Hope they won't Nokia bring apps look into Nokia apps n look into Samsung apps their own apps b c who got tha most apps

I would probably agree that Samsung would take some market from Nokia, but destroy? Not at all. Nokia phones have a much better build quality and they supported WP like nobody else would. Even if Samsung had several phones, they just will not support their WP devices like they should. Granted, their material is plastic model cheap, but not Nokia quality either. For now, as long as I stay with WP, Nokia will have my support. Besides, I love my 1520! With the new OS update, I know I will love it even more.   I guess we will have to wait and see how WP8.1 does to bring in more interest to the platform and what Samsung will do to support it in the future. Last thing....I will admit that because of Samsung Android is as popular as it is. Most people I see on a daily basis on public transportation, either have an iPhone or some Galaxy device in hand. Although, I'm starting to see more Nokia phones, too.

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there are a number of android makers with better build quality than samsung, but sammy still takes the marketshare. but, if this phone doesn't come to all carriers, it will be a low impact device

True, but I believe where Samsung is concerned, they have added many different features to make their phones standout. In addition to that, aside from iPhone they were one, if not the only Android OEM putting out quality screens on their devices at the time, when they came out with the Galaxy series.

U mean reliable phones that don't need a case, wireless charging better camera and overall build.... Drop a galaxy and see how it compares to a dropped Nokia especially 920 my fav phone ever and I own a 1520 now

+1520 Sidenotes: You love your 920 over the 1520? I love my 920 as well,it was my favorite too.. But the 1520 stole me away like a thief in the night. lol Even without Qi wireless charging..

I don't mind lightweight and thin.In fact these are really great attributes. But WHAT is up with that design?? Every single phone looks the same, and it's not even anything new. A slab with rounded corners. If SAMSUNG did something with the design, maybe they'd have a shot.  Cause at the end of the day people STILL believe in NOKIA's durability and performance. AND a lot of people buy phones for their looks (not a smart move, but they do). 

If "if was a fifth, we'd all be drunk"

I quite agree - this looks way better than that twin-brother of the Band-Aid that goes by the name S5. I hope though it has the same specs as the S5.

Maybe so but with a SD slot this could easily be the Best selling W8 on Verizon. Any android converts will want this. Even HTC is putting one on the new ONE.

Mmmmmm,,, new ONE + SD card slot + 8.1??? Drooool.

+1520

Looks good but too bad that physical button wasn't changed to touch sensitive button. It should go to sprint and T-Mobile. Verizon already has that awesome Lumia icon.

Sumsung phones don't appeal to me. Thin, light plastic vs durable polycarbonate with some heft... I much prefer Lumia. That said, I am very glad Samsung is still supporting WP to some degree, as there ate many people that prefer these light plastic designs.

Should of been for t mobile...

Well, I am a a Nokia Lumia user, I have a 920 and before this o had a 900, I've been in the ecosystem quite some time and I'm just saying that this phone looks better (less uglier) than the s5 and that's all... Samsung is very comfort in what they achieve, call it cheaper but is a light, good screen and well sized cheap phone.. No treat for Nokia but for the people who can't leave their galaxy it would be easier for them to try Windows Phone whit this model.

The android community was very eager with the leaks of the S5 and they thought that this was their android phone, instead is the windows ... That's very nice, don't you all agree?

;D

With ATT hogging all the good phones last couple years Verizon customers should have nothing to complain about with this and the Icon..

Yes! Regarding Icon, is there any news its coming to other carriers... TMobile by any chance??

True, but if this one turns out to be water resistant like the S5, removeable battery, sd card, etc, loyalty to Lumia could be broken.  

Android android android. IOS IOS IOS. Posted from my 1020 dale!

Nicer only when it comes to the OS. Other than that, as written in the article, it's a "typical Samsung phone".

Yes, but if the Ativ is water resistant like the S5, has a removeable battery, and has a micro-sd slot, loyalty may be tested for some.

Yeah the sad thing is that if I am holding this thing to my ear then people will automatically assume it is an android. Lumia = windows phone, wear it proud!

Yup! But this is still pretty sweet. Making windows more popular and that's what really matters. But this looks way better then the galaxy s5!

Looks good, only if it has all the available apps in the WP store... I think it'll have a Snapdragon 600, with an 8-13 MP camera...

Why not snapdragon 800?

By the looks of it, it does not look that high end that it'll have a 2K display and Snapdragon 800 or 805..

How about the 805 and 4k display?:D

You're pushing it a little, don't you think? :P

Hey...it's not the Lumia 1820

This is the Galaxy S4 version of Windows Phone? Such a shame. Should have released a Galaxy S5 version.

We should be celebrating that it doesn't have the "modern glam" design of the S5.

S5 looks terrible but it's still better than S4.

LOL yes! This looks way better than that twin-brother of the Band-Aid called S5.

Would anyone be able to tell the difference?

The 'band aid' type back cover would be tough to replicate with metal brushed body.

"S4 WP Edition" That's what it looks like. Posted via the WPC App for Android from BlackBerry Z10!

WPC App for Android from BlackBerry Z10!

LOL wow.

I'm glad - the S4 is way better looking than the twin-brother to the Band-Aid S5. If they put Snapdragon 800/801 and 1080p in the Ativ SE, that would be fantastic.

Well done Samsung!!!
WP deserves top notch hardware.
Judging by the sheer sells of SG3 and SG4 paying public goes for light, no bezel, thin, extensible SD, 5 ish design.
That's completele opposite (with small exceptions) to the Lumia brickish design language.
Thanks Sammy for showing once again how is done. Hope that MS will taking notes and phone will be released globally.
I have used 920. Moved to ATIV S. Can't be happier to have great phone that just work.

looks "cheap" ... Nokia FTW

+920,520

+1

+520

-SE

Agree....now we have to compare it with the Nokia Lumia Icon.

Why not last years s4 that's all it is not in any Nokia category

If they put the Snapdragon 800/801 and 1080p in that thing, it will be way better than the S4 and definitely better looking than the twin-brother to the Band-Aid S5, and also it's equal.

I still don't understand what all the band-aid talk is about...

Some people don't understand something: you can compare two different phones like galaxy s4 vs Nokia 920( just to give an example) maybe the galaxy is more attractive because of all the things it does, sales are high, all the apps, etc. But honestly when you spend one or two years using both smartphones is when you really learn which one is better. Trust me , Nokia beats down Samsung!

...how does that have anything to do with band-aids?

The faux leather looks and feels like a bandaid.

i love my Ativ S, especially since it has a physical Windows Button. Wish Nokia would have a device with a physical button, since double tapping on my girlfriends LG G2 is quite annoying ^^

I would also choose the Ativ S (because the physical start button), but Nokia's support is much higher and I don't like big screens.

How about a simple swipe up from the bottom bezel? Home buttons are so 2007.... Posted via the WPC App for Android from BlackBerry Z10!

Because some of us like physical home keys regardless of if you think they're from "2007" (not really).

I prefer my double tap glance screen than a button I have a side power button that pretty much does that same

This is a reason I wouldn't want one. Much prefer capacitive buttons (not to mention camera button)

I second this

The only physical buttons I want are on/off, volume and camera. Too bad this one lacks the camera.

Agreed!

Yea! I like pressing the hardware buttons too.. 8-)

If the CPU and camera are significantly better than my ATIV S Neo, I'll consider an upgrade, but I'd really like to see it on some other carriers.

its ugly like all samsung

Perhaps, but I think its a good sign for the ecosystem to have Samsung phones in it. The more Windows phones on display, the mire likely they will get picked.

Boring as hell.

Yeh, it looks just like all the other samesung d'vices,

You've put an apostrophe anyway, it's not that you're saving characters, why not replace it with an e and make it proper,

Its an overstocked s4 with windows thrown on it

Not at all because it will have the Snapdragon 800 in it.

Looks like the same as the ATIV S. But I like metallic designs. I hope Samsung makes effort on their sound quality because the S4's audio horrifyingly sucks. I actually were to purchase the ATIV S but aside from the first Galaxy other galaxy phones' audio quality are disappointing. It's such a shame since I really like the Galaxy Phones so I then opted for the 920 and I couldn't be happier

Will we see the percentage on the battery icon on WP 8.1 ??

Yes sir, we will

Are u sure? I have not seen anything to confirm this.

It'll be in the action centre. So a short swipe down from top to view battery percentage.

It will!

Yep; the same-sung.

Well, it's a matter of the OS supporting it too.. No digital audio out (line out), no equalising app what so ever.. And a generally not really functioning Xbox music app. MS doesn't want to get audiophiles on board on their mobile devices, that's for sure. Too bad actually, cause both Android and IOS do support these features. Even worse; Samsung in particular often uses higher quality audio hardware in their mobile phones (wolfson dac's etc) which we can't properly utilise because of shitty MS support of, well, ANYTHING hardware related.

Take a Look! This picture has WatchON tile. I think ATIV SE will have IR blaster for television.

Nice catch. 

People still watch TV?

Yelp, I still watch TV.

Really?

Yes. In Thailand, it's very normal that most of people watch TV.

I watch a good amount of tv

How do you determine a good amount of tv?

Oh Man. That is awesome. No more remotes for me. I guess I may be replacing my ATIV S sooner than I thought. I was looking at a Galaxy Tab just because of this. Nice Dude!

The lack of a camera button would be a non-starter for me. I REALLY like being able to fire up the camera and bypass the security of the lock screen to get that quick unexpected photo.

This, camera buttons should be a must on any phone that regards itself as a camera phone

Yeup. No camera button, no buy. Plus it's sad to see how MS is retracting defining design decisions for OEMs. The camera button was there for easy and quick access to the camera from anywhere so you don't miss so many shots.

Few things are more satisfying than the vibration and launching of the camera after holding down the button on my Lumia 925. Or the rumbling vibration of my Moto X after double twisting it to get that quick picture.

Nice innovation from Motorola .... Posted via the WPC App for Android from BlackBerry Z10!

    +925 Should be there on mid and high end phones.  

I can take photos straight from the lock screen on my Z10 / Q10, no need to unlock anything. Posted via the WPC App for Android from BlackBerry Z10!

Which you can do with all windows phones...

Ummm windows is why other companies thought of the idea goodbye

Too bad images from Blackberries look like they were taken with a potato.

Epic reply!

Which came out on WP first. Tadaa.

Agreed. What a dumb decision.

Absolutely. The absence of that button will keep this from being an absolutely premium device.

Yeah, It would've been better for them to remove the Windows button and keep the Camera button instead. I like all the buttons on the side. I could live without them on the front.

Old news

The more the merrier. I would never buy one but if it lures Samsung Galaxy people off droid then it's welcome.

This is some ugly mess. Nokia simply makes the best. No need for this lame ass rehash crap and watch it barely sell.

That's subjective, alot of people must like this design as Samsung sell huge quantities of devices with the same design. This is good for the platform, it gives consumers more variety. I don't know why everyone's so negative when there's an article about a WP OEM that isn't Nokia.

Doubtful people really care about such a bland design, especially since its been the same on Samsung phones the last could of years. Like apple, its the hype/marketing/sheep effect that sells these things.

Is it possible that some people just have a different opinion than yours? I like the way it looks as much as any other phone.

I'm starting to think some of them are being paid to hype Nokia and down other OEMs. It's too rampant around here.

+1020 I get my Nokia Bucks at the end of the month lmao....

Can we get Icon instead of Nokia Bucks? I will perform 1mil clicks, following the binary theorm.

Some probably buy only Nokia, hated Wp8 at first, but later adopted it and now only like Nokia WP8

Its nice to bring familiar and different but most people buy because its all they know branding is everything, despite 100 million broken, laggy galaxy from normal wear and tear they still buy them, look at the #1 endorsement lebron James

Nokia are lacking with internal specs. There is no "truly" high-end Nokia phone, where "high-end" implies all available features (including, for example SD expansion) in a thin and light design. Nokias phones are bricks. For some (me included) this is a good thing, as it means I feel relatively comfortable giving my kids my phone to play with. But the Icon, for example, is wanting for SD and svelteness.

  Really, I have a Lumia 1520, which offers: Snapdragon 800, Adreno 330, 1080p display, 20 MP pureview, etc. The S4 has a Snapdragon 600, lower resolution camera, yet it was Samsung's flagship. All of the other missing software wants will come with the 8.1 update. So, essentially, the 1520 outclasses the S4 in hardware, not software for another couple months. Yes, I own both devices. The S4 Amoled is a pretty display though, I struggle to get the right light levels on the 1520 sometimes indoors. However, nothing comes close to the 1520 for outdoor use with the assertive display.

You're comparing to the wrong phone. The 1520 is a phablet, and in the same class as the note 3, not the previous-gen flagship that is the S4. What you really should be comparing the 1520 to (if you want to be fair) is the Note 3.

Ok? Lets do that  B-) You gotta get this; 1520 is a bad ass product. when it comes to BBMs !~!

A phablet is a phone, period. Just a wee bit larger. A phablet is NOT a different category, like a tablet, which is a different category because a tablet cannot make telephone calls, via conventional methods. You can write with a stylus on the S4! Hence, no functional difference. The 1520 vs S4 is a perfectly fair comparison, flagship to flagship, both are the present flagships. The Icon is missing features making it the lesser, and although newest release, not The flagship (it is to Verzon's limitedlineup) That title still remains with the 1520. So, as I said, flagship to flagship (the Note 3 is not one), the 1520 is better. Therefore, your comment that there is no flagship worthy WP architecture is dead wrong. Even then, if we drop the 1520, the Icon's hardware is still better than the S4, a flagship. Are we clear yet that WP does have a flagship?

Again, I could not disagree more on the basis of your comparison. Phablet/phone definitions aside, the 1520 still is a different class of product from the S4, due to its screen size. Nobody IRL looking for a 1520-class device would be comparing it to the S-series, and vice versa.
Furthermore, why are you comparing Nokia's current-gen "flagship" (in your words) to Samsung's outdated last-gen device as if its a point of pride? Even if you want to compare the 1520 to Samsung's Galaxy products instead of its Note products (which, in my humble opinion inherently makes no sense), you should be comparing it to the S5, which is Samsung's current flagship.
i also take issue with your assertion that the 1520 is a flagship at all. I would argue that the true Windows 8 flagship was, and still is, the Lumia 920 and the next true flagship for 8.1 will be the Martini. All the other products only exist to fill specific niches in the market (1020 for camera, 1520 for screen size etc.) and are not major sales drivers, like the Galaxy/9XX series.

Agreed.  The flagship almost by definition can't be a niche device.  That said, I think the Icon, rather than the 920, qualifies as the current flagship, and should be the basis for comparison with the S5, iPhone 5s, and upcoming HTC One 2.

Dear god man, do you read your own words? You cannot call the S5 the flagship: it has not been released damn it. Who the hell mentioned weight as a qualifier for a flagship, limp wristed bitches, get a grip, literally, and with it, a mans hand so a phablet, which is just a damn phone, call it what it is, can grip a 6" phone. Do you bitch about your small prick, ohhhh, its too many grams, ohhhh, help my limp wrist , it's so fragile. Lol. Now, if you can reason, which I think is in the realm of possibility, the 920 is NOT anything near what the 1520 is, 1080p, Snapdragon 800, and who cares about a fuckin stylus, stick it up your ass. Just because a phone is large does not mean its a fuckin piece of paper to write on, ever thought, just fuckin maybe its made for media consumption, hence the 16:9 aspect ratio...didn't think of that, ya limp wristed whore with a stylus up your ass. FUCKER. PISS ME OFF. I bet you got your ass beat all the time in school. All of this nonsense over an effin leaked Samsung image. You bitches make me want start writing letters in the mail and get a landline. Morons of categorization who cannot see the forest for the trees.   I have to say, this is one funny post.      

Calm down man, and take some deep breaths before you get a hernia. You're getting less coherent with every subsequent post, so I'm going to put this discussion to rest. Besides, you clearly enjoy your 1520 more than you do objectivity, so I don't expect to glean much in terms of intellectual insight here anyway. Hope those rants made you feel better, though you might want to consider toning it down a couple of notches in the future.

The 1520 is pretty thin, but it isn't light, clocking in at 8.7 mm thick and 209 g.  By comparison, Samsung's Note 3 is only 8.3 mm thick and weighs 168 g.  The thickness difference is admittedly negligible (~5%), but the weight difference certainly is not (~25%). Furthermore, on "phablet" devices, pen input is really a very important feature (or else, why bother with the phablet?) and the 1520 doesn't have it.  This is exactly my point.  Nokia gives themselves a lot more space and heft to work with, and still can't pull off anything like as complete a feature-set as Samsung does.  (This is to say nothing of the incredible technological advantages of Android over WP.) It is all well and good to support Nokia -- I do! -- but you must acknowledge that they are simply not players at the high end of hardware.

Weightlessness does not make a phone high end (or even a phablet). You must agree the heft serves a purpose too. Nokia is even known for sturdy phones. Do you expect them to just throw that reputation away? Further more, pen input isn't very important. Many tablets out there don't have pen input. Besides, many people we have known grew tired of the pen quickly and stopped using it. And finally, in what aspect are you giving Nokia a knock, hardware or software? You seem to have mixed up the two.

I am not knocking Nokia.  And if you read my post above, you will see that I like the build quality.  But my point is that all Nokia phones make major specs compromises.  No pen input is a deal breaker to some.  Having pen input is a deal breaker to no one -- don't want it, don't use it.  Giving people freedom is the antithesis of compromise.  Nokia's Windows Phones always feel like a compromise. Now that the standard has been set, with respect to tech, high-end tablets have pen input (that's one reason why iPads aren't high end anymore).  Period.  They have SD expansion (that's another).  Period.  They have NFC (and another).  Period.  iPads have expensive build quality, and the markup to go with, so they're more comparable to a designer tablet -- not necessarily high end technology, but flashy and a status symbol. Finally, with respect to heft, it is easy to load up on features if you give yourselves lots of room to do it.  The 1520 is not just heavier, it is substantially larger than the Note 3: more than 20% larger, by my calculations.  So, Samsung gives you better specs in a smaller, lighter package.  Much smaller.  Much lighter.  And they did it months earlier than Nokia. Look at it the other way: Other than esthetics or build quality, is there any hardware reason to prefer the 1520 to the Note 3?  That's my point.  Nokia makes high quality enclosures, but their internals are consistently lacking. Nokia does a lot of things right.  I use a Nokia right now.  If the OS dramatically improves, I hope my next phone will be a Nokia, too.  But don't knock Samsung.  Their phones are just as nice and even better in many ways.

1. That you like Nokia does not mean you can't be knocking Nokia. You are. Mind you, it doesn't make us feel bad or see you as a bad person. 2. Please don't ask us not to knock Samsung. We will, if we want to. 3. iPad is high end, almost all tablets get compared to it. 4. Nokia screen is 6" while Note 3 is 5.7" so your size comparison isn't without flaws. 5. We are glad we both agee that pen input isn't a deal breaker for everyone. 6. Both phones are light already, the weight comparison may be mute. Odd as it may sound, some people prefer that 'extra' weight. 7. The internals of 1520 is more than adequate for the job. You might have heard this before but it doesn't make it less true: Windows Phone doesn't need octa core 8gig ram to be smooth. The point on consistently lacking internals isn't even strong. What's the point of putting what's not needed in there? 8. Hardware reasons to get 1520 over Note 3: Fm radio, bigger battery (even if it's by 200mah), better camera (obviously), wireless charging, superior battery life, four microphone setup, WDR audio recording, offline maps and voice-guided navigation, little more screen real estate, etc

Another one with a brain, were starting to turn the tide of these limp wristed whores with stylus' hanging out of their asses and in some cases, ass to mouths, based on my comments. I feel so much better.

Read the response I posted above, it goes out to you too. There will be no technological advantage after the update, like I had already said. I have plenty of Android devices. They all suck memory and my balls. . YOU FUCKIN PISS ME OFF TOO, PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH ABOUT WEIGHT, TAKE YOUR FRIENDS STYLUS ABOVE, OUT OF HIS ASS AND PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH, LIMP WRISTED WHORE. Boy, I feel better, and to think, I have just hit PhD candidate status, but arguing with you people is just Im- fuckin- possible. Just dumb ass, all over the board comments with no rhyme or reason.

This Lumia 1520 we are replying from begs to differ. People literally beg to hold it. We hear comments like 'Nokia is on fire!' which we take to be positive comments.

Nokia makes great phones.  My E71 remains my favorite phone ever (adjusted for the era in which I used it).  My L920, on the other hand, is rather a dissapointment.  However, great though they may be, they aren't truly high-end.

We have had a different experience with our 920's. It had the best camera phone, wireless charging, a boldly different design, super sensitive screen, enough internals to keep things smooth. How wasn't that high end?

Finally, a NON-LIMP WRISTED MAN, bout time. Amen brother, bring some intelligence to these morons arguing, initially, which means this all stemmed from: a fuckin picture. I wonder, then again no I don't.

I taught that SE means Second Edition... ._.

Good old Windows 98 SE.... I love its drumming graphics when updating the system. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68KB7MlOoCU Nostalgia++ <3

Not bad.. Not so SAMEsung when it comes to WP.

Ha I Saw what you DID THERE LOLOLOL ^^^^^^ But still the SAME ol Shape and Design is really boring me to death people carrying their Samasung Devices that look the Same Not like Nokia's. Every device UNIQUE

What? There is hardly any difference between the N9, 800, 900, and the 920. I'm not a huge Samsung fan (although the Focus still might be my favorite phone of all time), but to censure them for design and then praising Nokia is just wrong.

You are at a site full of Microsoft fans what do you expect

If Samsung released a model matching the Lumia 1020 camera I would consider one, but I would miss a few Lumia exclusive apps, too bad Nokia doesn't release all apps as non exclusive, I think it would help WP if they did

Yea mean that piece of shit galaxy camera that's bigger than most digital camera yea I'll pass

the thing that was created from glue taping a camera to a phone? pass

Well, MS is buying NOKIA. Don't think those apps or features are gonna be exclusive much longer.

I see ya got it on here. Work and play must be the same, bro.

Another case of software and hardware that don't seem to belong together. On Android Samsung can mess around with skins and make the software match their hardware. This is not the case on WP. Until Samsung stops being lazy with their design they won't find succes on WP. Although I suspect Samsung doesn't mind that.

Samsung is officially the king of shitty design!

+920 lol

+ 820 SOOOO True

I think it looks surprisingly high quality! The honeycomb and metallic back looks really good, and I think it looks a lot better than all the other galaxy series, and a hell of a lot better than the S5.. Yes its 'boring' compared to most Lumia phones, but I think looks surprisingly sophisticated. Its a real shame about the camera button.. Ot this would actually be a good phone.
Do we know if its actually a metal back plate? Or just a coating? It would be hilarious if the metal design that all of Samsung's android users have been screaming for comes to WP first!

Opinions like that can get you blasted around here! (Nokia territory) :P as a Nokia bummer myself, I'm sometimes cautious praising any other OEM, but I'd love a Samsung windows phone to compare with my Lumias, the ativ S will be nice and cheap soon, i might get one for when my 1020's battery seems older

Get Ready To BE BLASTED Lol. I actually dont mind what others think myself but if someone comes to tell me my phone sucks i BLAST him for SURE

Ohhh, I hope its metal just to annoy everyone in touch wiz!

My Ativ S will be the first and last Samesung, no more toy-phones in my life. Waiting for the 930.

Ironically, the 920 I use is completely a toy phone, complete with a bright color shell. ATIV S looks much less toy-like.

I was talking about the shitty materials.

You mean polycarbonate? The Same material NOKIA uses on their phones? Interesting. Obviously, you don't know what you're talking about.

Ha ha that one is nearly 2year old...upgrade ur phone n knowledge...

Really? I've had no issues with my ativ s, dropped it a few times. I guess its that really good cheap plastic. :P

Ugly :\

It's Samsung.. What else do you expect?

^^^^ This a Million Times

Although HTC doesn't operate here in Brazil anymore, I'd really like them to come up with a new handset. Specifically, a flagship one.

It could be useful for the people that like Samsung, if the phones were 1:1 in features, I would consider. Someone needs to make a flagship hardware device similar to iPhone design, but different to draw the masses

Better than droids phones design good job Samsung i want u too remove your focus from droid and concentrate on WP

Why would they ditch the camera button??? This is a native Windows Phone device. It should just have that unique dedicated camera button! It's one of WP's unique selling points. I don't hope Nokia/Microsoft is ditching the camera button too. That would be a very disappointing move. I effin' love my camera button on my L920.

Nokia is ditching the camera button on at least one of their phones and going with virtual buttons. It'll be interesting to see the fan boy reactions when that happens.

They've already started, and they're not positive responses, the camera button was a huge necessity for me, but as a Nokia lover, either adapt or resent silently

Fanboyism leading to irrationalism is a curse. +2520 and 22 carets.

I've seen not one wp8.1 phone that I like. I really hope better stuff is coming. Even Nokia seems to be switching to boring designs. Where is the smashing kill phone like the L920 at its time? All we get now is boring spec upgrades that are hardly noticeable in daily usage.

Ummm I don't thing a 3d gestured phone is boring especially everyday, using ur phone without touching even in ur pocket is amazing

That has been postponed.

noooothing changed. Still galaxy design injected WP os

Not a bad thing. People who love galaxy phones will give this a look because it's similar. That's the whole point.

I agree

Its a psychological warfare or a psycho-massage.

I had the ativ s. I love my 1020 no turning back

I am not a fan of Samsung's design.

Looks like another piece of plastic from Samsung. Fair play for creating new wp hardware but its almost like they produce them just in case wp happens to take off. I seriously suspect that most people who want to buy a Samsung phone would look at this next to an s4/s5 and wonder why they would buy it instead of the android hardware. Theres no wow factor to the phone, and you know that the contract price will be pretty expensive. I think competition will only get interesting when Sony enter the fray as a more serious competitor to microkia, they design their phones with care and always focus on the camera. It just looks like Sammy couldn't be bothered to invest any creative effort in this one...

This is for me the best looking smartphone so far in Windows Phone, yet I would pass, no camera button is sadly no go, maybe camera design would have been a little different to not completely reflect android edition, although that is Samsung's design language, it's not a deal breaker for me, but just saying. But the whole design is just looking perfect for me, I just adore honeycomb pattern for unknown reason lol, Would be badass if it was in different colors like red with yellow pattern or blue with green pattern or something. The Metallic look is also very much awesome, but the plastic kind of ruins it, although if I think real, it doesn't really matter what it is in real use. Now let me say I own Samsung Ativ S, and before purchasing I was like scared of how it will look in real because everyone over YouTube was saying how this is the worst design ever and stuff and it's same on here.. When I held it in my hand for the first time my expression was like "Woaa this phone looks really cool" and everyone around agreed. Then on WPCentral I got brainwashed how Lumia is so much better looking and solid a I was like I need to get a Lumia because it looks so much better ( Yes I do think it's well designed ) and I do want to upgrade to Lumia because of the camera and because I like to change brands, but really it is not so much better, about how solid it is? Lol I have dropped it plenty of times and there is no cracks mentioned by almost everyone on this community how Samsung plastic sucks and stuff. I don't wanna start a war, just saying let's be fair. And SD card, 2300Mah battery, big screen, the camera works very well, I kind of prefer it over Nokia's "picture made out of small dots" that are pretty much visible when zooming, I don't see such thing on Samsung. And once again im not against Nokia, it will be most likely my next smartphone, but seriously not because of it's design. It's high end camera hardware is of course awesome. Plus software.
OK now, sorry for english mistakes, not everyone lives in English countries, please fix mistakes if so. My point was to say that Ativ is also pretty awesome phone. Posted via the WPC App for Android!

I was starting to be more open minded about lumia/ativ but then read that you posted it via an android device. Too much change for me to absorb in one post :)

It's just my Nexus 7 I bought so I can read books on a full hd screen for low price :)

Depending on the specs, i might get this over the icon. Else icon is gonna be my new phone. Then again i like the icons look over this. Posted via the WPC App for Android!

Won't buy it, because microsoft will screw us soon with a new windows phone 9 that wont be supported by wp8.1 like they did with wp7.8. Will stay with my lumia 920 until wp9

They're on an 18 month dev cycle. WP9 won't drop until Oct 2015.

Yeah like Visual Studio 2012 Professional won't get a new update with C99, C++11, C11 and C++14 support because they are busy providing all that in VS2013 updates... You have two choices, either use the express 2013 edition with lot less features or repurchase the latest pro one. The point being; officially the expiry date always sounds interesting but the difference between fiction and reality is the curious part. I personally feel that as they are building up on NT core, they wouldn't retire existing hardware (with dual core processor). But you never know; with all the device sales number / stat game, the marketing wisdom and pressure from OEM, they may as well do that... But technically, you can run Windows 8 on 15 years old P4 PC and carry out basic chores gracefully. Now this freedom is revoked from smartphones due the aforementioned reasons. Due to that, people alway keep looking for new devices and never get staisfied with the existing one. In short; this is all on Apple's head... ahem.. iPhone's birth in 2007 started all this macabre stunt.. :)

Wow, I really see you are one of the few that got the point. As I first saw, WP7, I knew, microsoft was on its way to hell. Then they discontinued WM 6.1 and that’s it. I predicted that they would loose all the enterprise, and geek customers, and that’s exactly what happened. They should have merged WM6.1 with WP7, hold all the functionalities of WM and add the metro style of WP7, merging WM store with WP7 store, and keep compatibility, waiting for WinRT, and then updating WP7 to WinRT directly maintaining the WP functionalities. Come on, don’t tell me, even old WM phones, aren’t able to run WP7 or even 8. They would run it somehow slower, but they would do the job. And then do some kind of emulator, for newer hardware to run older apps and viceversa, exactly like its happening on Windows 8. And don’t tell me a lumia 920 isn’t able to run WinRT if its almost the same hardware level of the Surface or the first tablets. That being said, Microsoft did its decisions, and even if some fanboys tell that were the right ones, we all know, they did the worst decisions they could ever do. I like metro, and the evolution to touch screen era, but they should have passed through hybrids, like they did on win8 and winRT, holding as much backward compatibility as they always did before

Nay to cheap plastic by SCAMSUNG , I am not a lumia fanboy but exclusive apps are attractive

Samsung change ur design at least for windows phone.

Yuck Samsung Chick.....

No Cortana tile?

Good news ! But Ativ S Neo, Ativ SE... Why not simply Ativ S2 and Ativ S3 ?

ATIV S2 is probably reserved for AT&T's version

Most folks are saying it reminds them of an older galaxy s3/4. My fear is that if it were called an ativ s2/3 that it would give the impression of an older phone. Just my first reaction. However the note is on rev 3 and that's not an issue. However we know we're getting special features with the note. The ativ just appears older.

No camera button ends any consideration.

Well, at least it's not the plaster-version. Still, it's a Samsung. No, thanks. If its not Nokia, its not a WP worth having.

I guess I'll just toss out my ativ s then, its pretty worthless, thanks for sharing

Why Verizon?

Looks very nice, i like it, i like nokia more. what i really dont like is the verizon branding... its like a knife in the heart of the designer. he doesnt know how to remove it.

The entire planet agrees with you. Why does Verizon have to do that to every phone??

This time they cut out some of the signage, but the body paragraphs of signage are still there. Darn :P

I hate fucking exclusive phones for verizon and other shit

Hurry up and leak the Lumia 930 or a new HTC WP not sure whether to wait or go with 1520 hmmm

No contest. Go for the 1520. It is now my "go to" device. When not using my work laptop, this device gets all my attention. I use it to read kindle books, stream my Xbox music, watch Hulu shows, web, IM, photo editing and recording family events. I couldn't be more pleased. Be sure to get the 32GB version then toss in a 64Gb card because you will want to take pics and record everything you see. What r u waiting for???!!!

No physical button for the camera: deal breaker. Using it every day.

Looks nice, similar to my ATIV S. Samsung's design on WP is better than on Android, the metallic look gives the phone a premium look.

No camera button is a definite no for me.

I am all things Nokia fan, but this phone looks pretty good and fake metal finish makes it a little bit different from Galaxy Series smartphones. I think instead of copying the same comments on how it doesn't have a camera button or looks "shitty" just because it's Samsung we should be thankfull that "at least" Samsung makes any other effort in making WP smartphones than just Nokia, becuase trust me if THIS YEAR THE 4TH YEAR of this platform exsistence we won't be seeing other OEM's taking a part, then Windows Phones will be always selling around 10 milion phones a quarter and no more and we will forever remain 3rd.

Exactly!

Is it just a bad Photoshop job or is there so little negative space in the start screen UI now? The tiles and the margins look too tight to me

Probably an effect of there being an extra column. I haven't seen the 1520 in person to say that for sure.

Great to see another option but not my type of design....

Fudu phone lokkikkkklolllolllll

I have to have the camera button on the side!!! I have a feeling that I'm going to ride this Nokia 1520 until it dies, I think I'll buy an extra for when this one dies. I think we are going to lose the camera button altogether, and that's going to hurt!

God, so many short-sighted fan boy comments.
We should all just be glad and flattered that a major manufacturer other than Nokia see WP worthy of their time and resources.
And regardless of what some of you think and what reality is, there are plenty of people who feel Samsung has superior build quality and design over all others. This is a welcome addition that can help grow the WP mobile base.

Thank you!

More is always better

Camera Button!!!!

I hate reading comments on a Samsung article. It brings out the worse in WPC users. The same users loved the Focus now hate everything Samsung for no reason. The rampant fanboyism is awful. As far as the ATIV SE, I want it on AT&T. I love the look and prefer it to the bright playful colors from Nokia.

This is nothing, trying reading Xbox One vs PS4 threads- that is brutal.

I did like the focus only because using the memory didn't break ur warranty, I went thru like 5 of em, I enjoyed it but sadly not durable at all even with case and I was stuck with a flash when they were despite that i enjoy thr variety of phones windows is recieving the more options the better discontinued to the same luck I had 2, I bought a 920 at launch and still works like a champ despite being my Babies toy thru the time, she's 2 and works it like a champ now, and I now have a 1520 and must say the build of this is amazing it just feels solid and I don't get that with any Samsung device they feel flimsy, yes I know its thing but even iPhone is solid no matter how small they get

I cringed when I seen this heading. I seen 3 of the 4 Nokia ass head show up like redundant pile of dung post. People need to get a life. These four people make me hate reading anything positive for the WP ecosystem. You don't like Samsung fine. Move and get over the bullshit. You whine in piss in the corner cause you can't have what you want. Grow some balls. Turn off the internet. Go play with yourself. Do something instead sounding like childish assholes all the time about Samsung.

Amen. It's painful enough to read the ridiculous petty squabbling between Android and iPhone users. You'd think that WP users would at least have the common sense to welcome the introduction of ANY new WP, even if the style or specs don't meet their standards. But instead, we have Nokia fanboys taking every opportunity to criticize a WP that isn't made by Nokia. For f*ck's sake, get over yourselves. We get it, you love Nokia. Now how about you try supporting the WP platform as a whole? In case you hadn't noticed, WP needs all the help it can get.

At least they didn't put the back button on the right.

More choices much better! Btw, Nokia forever!

Nice and dated design, good job Samsung. Mediocre designs never stop to amaze me

No camera button = no sale (for me). Nothing like eliminating one of the really great differentiators of the OS! But, I am sure that Sammy said: "Hey! MS, if we don't have to engineer in the camera button, we can just swap the OS from the Galaxy and that'll put more WinPhones onto the market."  So, with a terrible global market share, who would MS be to argue that logic.

More choices are great to me. I would consider it but the exclusive Nokia apps and the fact Nokia is essentially Microsoft now makes it hard to sway away from a Lumia.

Another sexy Sammy. Just make an international version that works with AT&T network and I'm in. Thank You!

I really dont care about Samsung. Actually I dont like, every time I see Samsung logo always associating it with Android and st. inside me screams NOOOOOOOOO, fcking Samskung ! 
Cannot wait to see some nice business smartphone with the WP8 from Lenovo

maybe some phone from ThinkPad Class. ThinkPad Tablet 2 is pretty good despite it has only Intel Atom Processor

Even this phone looks so cheap, just because it has samsung on it

Ugly.

This throws back to the WM/WP7 Omnia days. Looks pretty good.   I won't buy a non-Nokia WP but I'm glad people have more choice and that another company is making competitive smartphones.

Same old crap from from Mr Sam

*Mr. Same. FTFY

I love Nokia but the more OEMs the platform gets onboard the better!

IDC that it looks like a GS4,yes I would have liked it to be distinctively different but even still the more important things are that it gets proper support from Samsung,Verizon and Microsoft,has a better feel and build quality and high end specs. While the GS4 didn't sell what Samsung may have liked it to.. It still sold MILLIONS. Also I hope this phone has some unique features like they do with Android. It'll help make it stand out. I also hope that they actually work. Even though I'm still Nokia guy! I just want Windows Phone to succeed even more. Yes I said "even more".

WTF all the Samsung high end phones look exactly the same -___-

So? Nokia has been recycling the N9 design for the past three years, with only minor alterations here and there. A good design is a good design, why change what isn't broken?

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/37436240624385826/

Thank You!

A bit maybe, but Nokia still has the 925, 928 and icon based designs which are completely different from the N9. Nokia i giving us lot of choices but samsung is constantly coming with the same thing. C'mon we all love change, that was the whole idea behind windows phone in the first place. Something different from iOS and Android.

Don't be too hasty. New Nokia phone with new tech over the horizon. Don't let this nockoff s4 phone phone catch your eye yet.

The Android market share, mixed with Samsung's software equals huge sales. But their biggest criticism has been their build quality of their Galaxy line. They are not in the same conversation as Nokia Lumia line. Nokia builds a superior phone, right there with iPhone.

If this will have a removable battery and microSD card support, the lack of dedicated camera button is forgiven and I will give this device my full consideration. For some reason, I like the non-Windows design of this device.

Looks faster

Depending on how Verizon promotes it, this phone will work well for a lot of people. Besides, it'll still be running Windows 8.1 and there is no getting around how smooth this OS is. It may not please those size hoes that are mainly interested storage, screen size and horse power first, then its OS second. But the majority of average users looking for a great experience with a well known brand name in Samsung with an OS that gets the job done Windows style with Windows Phone 8.1, it'll make the grade quite nicely.

Wow, lots of Nokia fan boys on here, wow!! It's a nice looking phone and it's windows OS, why not just be happy someone else is building a quality windows phone. We, well you need more OEM'S jumping on board. Let's be windows fan boys !! 20 phones from one OEM that pretty much look the same is boring. Need variety, right now windows ain't got it!! Hopefully with the relaxation on the windows regulations will get more handsets from more OEM'S. ( hey, what an intelligent comment)

Applaud

+8.1

We sure need a lot of OEMs jumping on board. +920 but we do get a lot of variety coming from Nokia. Tell samsung that.

I love the hubbub a leaked image of a Samsung WP has. Bottom line, it can only be good for the OS.

Best design by Samsung till date

While i like nokia's quality much better than samsung's, I welcome the competition and hopefully this phone is good enough to get some samsung android users over to windows. More windows users is better for everyone.

Can't wait to buy it...

I really like the honeycomb design, it's something a bit different and it is rare for companies to add flair to the front of phones, it's usually just the back side that gets any love.

Hmmmm.... Could be my phone... As I dont think I will EVER buy another Nokia again, Customer service was a NIGHTMARE for me and this 928 is still buggy...

Then you should buy a Samsung which has a lot better built quality, said no one ever.

If it quacks like a duck, acts like a duck...must be a...ah..you know Buggy Nokia Hardware or Firmware.

They just need to use a different tile color theme. That looks ugly as hell.

same old shit from samsung...... make something new sammy.....

lol, I was just abot to write the same thing, it's not only the phone but the OS too. Windows Phone's homescreen needs to change ! We've had the same old shit for far too long. 

Its a damn phone OS. Its not a poster outside the cinema which needs to be changed every week.

It's been three years and yet we keep seeing the same boring black background... !! I'm going to waste my money on another windows phone if they don't change it. I've had enough ! 

Things much worse on my Lumia 925,the start screen tiles are much too small,I want them a little bigger,too much spare space on left and right side of the start screen,I just hate that

Great for the platform, but I will never buy a Samsung phone again. Built like crap.

Samesung :S, very ugly design...

It literally seems like the majority of WP users want WP to die.  OEM support outside of Nokia is good for WP whether you like it or not.  Why else do you think Android does so well?  You guys all want Microsoft to shoot itself in the leg just for your selfish desires.  Options are a great for a platform, because not everyone thinks like you, believe it or not.  And stop with the childish names, ie. "scamsung," "samesung,"  grow up.

Shitsung

You do realize high end androids got nothing to do with their success right? Their success comes from low end market. So having this high end sammy windows phone will not help the platform to push forward. That is why we are grown up and you think you are.

I'm saying there's nothing wrong with choice.  Android has choice, they have high end and low end phones.  Microsoft is trying to do the same,  which is one of the reasons they bought Nokia, so that they could target low end markets that Nokia is already well established with.   Having more OEM's on board is a good thing as they can help target different markets.  Some people love Samsung so would never switch over to WP, a Samsung phone could change that which is good. And lastly, I was talking about the people who use childish terms.  So don't twist my words.

This actually is much better looking than any of the Android offerings Samsung has produced lately.

What a shit asss unk inspired design.

"The bezel at the top is larger than at bottom because we just NEED a huge Verizon logo."

Sorry not a Samsung fan, there products are cheaply made. I've had other Samsung devices and they were all the same flimsy plastic. I know have the Nokia 1520 and am very happy with the quality of he device. To each his own but I like what I'm holding and using now!

No thanks, im good.

My original focus was and is still a wonderful device. Something to think about! Love my 1020 though....

Samsung sucks. They can't make camera just like Nokia.
And Lumia is much beautiful

I'd (double-) tap that (to wake).

Love the physical home button! It prevents accidental presses

The only thing I like is the removable battery, or at least it looks like it.

The Verizon put there?can be a little more ugly?

I love my Ativ S. I admit, I hate the colour, I prefer sleek black phones, but it is super thin. Thinner than any Nokia phone. I had a Nokia 1020, and I liked it, but I now find it too heavy after having the Ativ S. The plastic makes the phone much lighter. And the battery life on the Ativ S is crazy good. I have no idea how Samsung does it. And I have NO idea why Nokia didn't put SD card support on the one phone that desperatly needs it. The 1020 takes AMAZING pictures that take up huge amounts of storage that you can only download tethered to your computer. I want a great camera in my phone, but obviously not that much. I have a 64 gb card in my Ativ S and I have more than enough room for all my music, the first season of Luther, and all the movies and pictures I ever want to take. And recently, after a marathon business call that cut out late at night with a dead battery, I will never again have a phone that doesn't have a replaceable battery. All I had to do was pop in a fresh battery and I was at 100% power within a minute. Nokia is essential to the success of Windows Phone, without it, there would be no Windows Phone, so I'm really glad it exists, but if Samsung wanted to, they could dominate Windows Phone, and blow Nokia out of the water. All they'd have to do is release a couple more high end models and spend a ton on advertising and it would be over. But I'm glad things are just the way they are for now. I wouldn't want to depend on the future of Windows Phone on Samsung. We don't want to be in the position that Google is in right now, that's for sure.

Buddy they both are plastic phones. 1020 have more components inside than your ativ

Yes, I know they're both plastic, but the Ativ S feels like plastic and the 1020 doesn't. And don't get me wrong, I really liked my time with the 1020. I got the sleek matt black one, and it felt soooo good in the hand. And let me be clear, I want Nokia to be really successful. But no SD card on the 1020 makes absolutely NO senese to me. And the battery life on the Ativ S is crazy good. No idea why. I loved the 1020, but the Ativ S is more useful to me.

Why is there no visible dual stage camera button that all other windows phones have?

Looks good to me!  Can't deny Sammys success with this design.  I too had a 1020 last year and returned it becuase of the weight.  Have a 925 now.  I'll wait to see all the 8.1 offering before deciding.  I am sure ATT will have some great offerings!  

Only OEM that could lure me away from Nokia at this point is Sony (providing the give WP something something similar to the Xperia Z2).

Waiting on martini

Considering Nokia is about to become a part of Microsoft itself I see no reason to by a non-Nokia (read: Lumia) phone for the Windows Phone ecosystem. I have an 8X right now and haven't enjoyed nearly as many awesome perks as Nokia owners have. When the next round of Lumia phones come out I'll probably pick from that group. I would have picked up an Icon but I'm on AT&T so it isn't an option for me at the moment.

I dont understand why nokia or samsung agrees to put that ugly verizon logo on their phone

Money, baby. 

Its just ruin the beaitiful design

Thank god im not in the usa or ill have to deal with that logo (sorry for my bad english

I agree, thank god your not in the USA, assbreath.

I actually prefer Samsung's hardware. My first smartphone was a WP7 Samsung Focus and I loved it. I switched over to Nokia because when WP8 came out the only Samsung phone on Verizon was the Samsung ATIV Odyssey which was kind of a joke because the only thing it beat the Nokia Lumia 822 in was battery life. I got a the 822 and aside from various hardware bugs (mainly SD card support) I love it. If I were to go back to Samsung it would be for this phone however I just don't think I can as the Nokia exclusive apps have me hooked.

Sooo waste phone

Samsung is copy shor companey

ahh looks like i'm going to have to get the ativ s since this won't be avaliable in the UK  -.- 

Lumia Martini, shaken not stirred for me...

No camera button? No thanks. I guess they didn't feel like changing much on the galaxy.

First off....if Samsung makes windows phone hardware not on par with Samsung galaxy s5 then it must be a significant price difference....otherwise it will never sell....why would an average consumer buy it.....

+1520

Another slow week for wpc

Now if HTC would come up with a WP One design and SD 800+...

Yuck, their phones are so ugly.

Looks nice. I expect to see "+ativ se" in the comments very soon.

+SE

Why would you guys think this would be 4.3 inches, even before seeing this picture? Did you mean 5.3 inches?

Earlier reports suggested a 4.3" display. But with the extra column of tiles, it no longer seems likely.

LOL at all the Nokia fanboys at this site. Seems like the're scared of Samsung actually competing in WP. If Samsung released a variant of their latest flagships running WP on all carriers in a timely manner Nokia wouldn't stand a chance. 

Samsung is scared of Samsung competing in the WP market....thats why they don't put any resources or support behind WP. It would be too smart for them to expand their portfolio by having successful Android and WP offerings : /

The more variety in WP devices, the better. More choice = greater chance for market growth & increased market share.

People here don't see it that way.  They just see that it's samsung and hate it for any number of reasons.

If it works with the watch I'm interested

No camera button, no buy.  
 

Can Samsung at least make a better design. People don't care what OS they gonna use. Samsung need to make a better phone design and hardware like Nokia. *Frustrated* (-_-") Not against Samsung. But if Samsung still wanna use that ugly design then at least build something beautiful for WP8 or 8.1...zzZ

"Hardware like Nokia"...I hope you're talking about Hardware design, cause I'll take Sammy's Hardware quality any day vs Nokia, you can keep that.

Im not feeling the design on this

Old HTC 8X are much much nicer..

Still waiting on the max version of windows for VZW

Looks the same as the Ativ S to me....same old same old

Am holding out for the next big thing from Microsoft/Nokia. Nokia's build quality along with quality software support is worth the wait.

If you're wanting software support, then Samsung is not the manufacturer to go with, nor any of the others,Nokia is the only OEM to stand behind the product they put out.

I'm glad there will be more options, but being exclusive to Verizon feels like a waste. I'm just so sick and tired of carrier specific phones. The game got old a long time ago.

I like it. The Nokia fanboy-ism on this site is starting to look alot like Apple fanboy-ism... Kinda scary and a bit annoying reading through the comments. Anyways this look like an awesome phone.

I've also grown to really appreciate Nokia's use of colors. This Samsung phone looks way boring in design.

It has nothing to do with fanboyism from me, its just that all of the phones Samsung has designed for WP looks exactly the same starting with the focus e series, now all of the Ativ units look the same. Even HTC made different more appealing design for WP. To be as big as Samsung is along with all the their resources, they could help put WP on the map.

What is it with these shit exclusives. Posted via the Awesome windows phone central app.

This looks better than the Galaxy devices.

God, they sure make ugly phones. Recycling the Galaxy S4 design too, I see.

And the Nokia vs Samsung fanboy battle rages on in the unforgiving comment section.

I prefer Nokia's style and love their support/culture, but I hope this is Samsung's most successful Windows phone to date. MARKET SHARE MARKET SHARE MARKET SHARE...CHOICES CHOICES CHOICES is what Windows Phone needs. With 8.1 coming out this is a pivotal time. If the next milestone is to reach 10% here in the US and continue to grow abroad, the platform needs to have as much ammo as possible. Waaaay to early to get into my OEM is better than yours and yours has no place here pissing matches. Growing the base and ecosystem is the most important thing right now. It always has been but 8.1 almost takes it back to square one because of the monumentous changes about to take place. The playing field is about to be even so now is the time to bring it!    

Absolutely

looks good, but i prefer HTC designs, hope they will bring their HTC one design to windows phone camp...

Billion of people don't buy windows phone because they thinks nokia is the only maker of windows phone os. If Samsung promote or advertise windows phone then it will surpass iPhone too fast.

You guys are cracking me up in here. If Samsung phones were so cheaply made they wouldn't be selling the most phones. I have an s4 and I've dropped it plenty of times and it's been just fine. Also when you buy a phone most people put it in a case. The s4 is made of the same type of plastic that the 920 has. If i were going to go back to window's phone I'd buy this phone, but I'm not going to cause i like all the thing my s4 has that you can't do on the wp os lol. Posted via the WPC App for Android!

Oh, go back to Android Central, Samsung troll.

It just make me shake my head when I hear the Samsung lag or cheap phone quality argument. If that really matters to people they wouldn't sell that many and they wouldn't keep their customers coming back to their devices. Next to apple Samsung is #2 in that category. Posted via the WPC App for Android!

ever heard of brainwashing marketing?

Hard to argue with their #s all I'm saying Posted via the WPC App for Android!

Seriously, Samsung needs to hire some professional phone designers. They keep releasing phones that look the same since S3. And they are ugly too.

Looks horrendous

Same old, same old from Samsung.  Yawn.

Good to have a new Samsung device offering WP8.1 + No matter how you feel about Samsung (They are more than adequate as far as I'm concerned) you cannot argue with their sales, and widespread acceptance.  

Lol

They actually do update their apps regulary :) so they are doing something. Just wish they actually gave better hardware. But im too big fan of cameras in smartphones.. I would like to see a LG G3 version lol, check out it's camera sample of a cat on the net :) I want to see more OEMs in the game, although Nokia did bring windows phone to the crowd I guess. Have a nice day. Posted via the WPC App for Android! Just my Nexus 7

I was under the impression that Windows 8.1 hardware was going to get rid of the hardware buttons... or is that Windows Phone 9?

I'll be looking at this for our business users if our samples turn out to perform well in battery life and reliability then I could care less what it looks like.

I'm a big lumia fan, but I really like the look of the Samsung. It looks very clean and polished. I'd hardly call it bland. If anything the lumia is bland by comparison.

I hope that Samsung comes out with an updated ativ s sized phone. 5" is to big for my tastes as a phone. I had the note, and it was novel for a few days but I love the size of my ativ s and galaxy S2x. I also wish that Microsoft would release the surface phone concept that is bounching around.

Need a lot more info to make a decision.

Uglier than ever

To all people screaming against Samsung, I am a Lumia owner, yet I also like Samsung and if they had released a low-end WP like Lumia 620 - I would be definitely wondering Samsung or Nokia. Those bashing the Samsung ATIV S, as far as I know, Samsung integrated call blocking and app folders into ATIV S at launch (Q4 2012). For Nokia Lumias, we had to wait for Lumia Amber (Q2 2013) for call blocking and even later for app folders. I find nothing wrong with the looks as well. I agree Nokia's build quality and cameras are way better than Samsung. Only thing I don't like is, I don't think Samsung ATIV S is available in many countries. For example, its not available in India.

Looks like a recycled Galaxy S chassis (not a bad thing)

If it brings some Samsung fans to WP then good. I personally love my 1520 and plan on using it for a long time. This phone seriously amazes me.

I was hoping it would show some 8.1 features on it....

Samsung is better TODAY at the internals, all the hardware and they dont hold Down the specs. Nokia is better at build quality.

HTC should release an One with WP... It would crush all other phones in design

Definitely Agree! That is one nice looking phone and those speakers...they sound pretty awesome!

While it does look bigger than my Neo, which has performed flawlessly by the way. I doubt it will be big enough so no I see zero reason to get one.