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Samsung Huron leaked, an upcoming Windows Phone 8.1 device for Verizon

Look here. This just might be the first smartphone running Windows Phone 8.1. The leak comes from @evleaks and is of the Samsung SM-W750V, which is also known as the Huron. This isn’t the first time we’ve seen the SM-W750V, but it is the first time we’ve seen a render. Details on the device below.

Notice the capacitive back button and search button? Right, they’re not there. All we see is a dedicated hardware button for the Start screen. Not surprising considering nearly two months ago we saw a screenshot of Windows Phone 8.1 with on-screen buttons. Edit: Or as Zulfiger points out in the comments below, the back and search button may appear when pressed like the Samsung Galaxy S4. This does look remarkably similar to the Galaxy S4. 

Windows Phone 8.1 on-screen buttons

There’s not much else to learn from these renders. The device, from what we understand, is destined for Verizon Wireless here in the United States. The display is 1920 x 1080 on a 5-inch screen. Although recent data from AdDuplex suggests it’s a 4.3-inch, but that could be wrong. The device is expected to be a high-end smartphone.

We’ll start prodding around and see if we can find any more information about the Huron.

Source: Twitter

354 Comments
  • Wait... physical button?   SOLD!
  • I prefer the current capacitive button
  • I prefer physical. Lazy to reach out to the power button while you can just hit the Windows key
  • Kinda agreed with you ;)
  • i kind of double tab the screen
  • +1 love that feature
  • Exactly. I never use the power button anymore.
  • What's a power button? Wait, didn't my grand father tell me about those... Lol jk
  • Same. I got so used to it that I try to wake up my tablet that way ;)
  • I notice that the Surface wakes up from the capacitive Start button.
  • Don't have that on Asus T100 which is both good and bad apparently.
  • Is this a GDR3 feature or a Lumia feature?
  • Lumia only, it's part of Glance screen.
  • Loved that on my LG Optimus 7 haha
  • Same! I really miss physical buttons...
  • You could hopefully like the Lumia just double tap the screen.
  • So, you're all looking for a physical key in the front rather than the physical key in other potential ergonomic location? Where Nokia has the power button is perfect for how you hold the phone. Power on with one hand instead of two. I just don't understand some of you. Plus I hate Samsung for not supporting WP and for serving plastic,shit on a plate and watching the world eat it.
  • Rather? No, also. Physical buttons are superior       and you really need not hold grudges..
  • I use one hand on my 8X, and the power button is on the top.
  • That requires a marvellous physical feat. On the hTC.
  • I usually rest the phone on my pinkie and use my thumb at the top. Could probably do that with a 5.5" phone too. I'm 5'7", but big hands...
  • If you'd been bothered to look at an ATIV S you would see that the power button is also on the side so you can switch it on one handed, oh and most Nokia Windows Phones are plastic as well. What the hell do you think polycarbonate is!!
  • There's a difference between "plastic" and polycarbonate.
  • You keep believing that then, the rest of us know there is no difference!!
  • Yes polycarbonate is plastic, but you're being a bit facetious. You know he means that Galaxy/ATIV plastic is inferior to polycarbonate.
  • At least their batteries are removable and have physical buttons which are a plus unlike other manufacturers Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • +1520
  • I hate.  Hate.  HATE.  capacitive buttons.  Physical all.  The.  WAY.
  • Amen!
  • Absolutely gorgeous phone: award winning design and quality of SG4 with WP. Samsung know how to produce top end phones.
    Can't wait to be released outside US. As proud owner of ATIV S that's the phone I've waiting for.
    Excellent work Sammy!
  • You're kidding, right? Right!?
  • Not everyone likes square bulky phones with massive bezel (bar 925). I happened to be one of them. That's way I think SG4 design is perfect. Of course WP makes it special.
    Many people seems to think that phone quality and phone support are linked. Samsung proved that's not the case. Hope that it will change.
  • Oh yes and this piece of plastic is top quality for you... this shit desing is the reason because Nokia has 90% of the WP market...
  • That "shit" design is the reason it's dominating the Android market, and quite a chunk of the world market.
  • Oh yes that's why people go for a wp because they want the same Android shit from Samsung..this is another pathetic plastic terrorist attack to good design & buid quality from Samsung
  • will yall leave sammy alone windows need other phone makers , plus samsung sells a hell of a lot of phones and they advertise to, if sammy does good it will be good for windows phone. example I dont have the s5 but plenty of friend do, and I love being able to turn channels on my tv with the phone. I so miss my window phone but the phone I have now has that function as well. I hate android but having sammy do good will help us.
  • I use the Oscar remote for my Samsung TV to changes channels. It's a free app.
  • When Nokia was nowhere to be found, Samsung supported Windows Phone with WP7 devices like the Focus, which I quite liked. I'm a Lumia fan now, but I get frustrated when I see self righteous Nokia WP fans attacking their Samsung WP brethren's taste on phones. Just stupid.
  • I prefer that over a blocky phone that has no removable battery and a physical home button Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • Only reason Samsung is dominating is price and marketing. Their design and build are cheap, tacky and ugly. One of the main reasons I left Android to move to Windows Phone was the much better build and quality of Nokia. Sure they could reduce bezel and weight in many cases, but overall their phones are so much nicer. I am continuously amazed that some people actually like Samsung designs.
  • Their design and build are cheap, tacky and ugly.
    I beg to differ. The ATIV S Neo has a better design and build than the Lumia 925. It also offers a larger, clearer screen than the 925; it has the expandable storage the 925 lacks; it has a thin bezel and not the chunky bezel of the 925; and finally has the large and removable battery the 925 lacks.  Oh, and Samsung made the device available across numerous carriers in the USA, not just a single "exclusive" for AT&T. Towards the end of the Nokia phone business, before Nokia discontinued it and sold it to Microsoft, Nokia phones were embracing lots of Samsung technologies, including AMOLED screens. Samsung bashing in such a context is silly.
  • You have some valid points. I personallly would like to see Samsung bring a unique design for their windows phone line and improve produc support and help wp get into the main stream, but thus far it seems as if they're just appeasing MS. I respect you decision to carry a Samsung wp because as I stated above, I was an early adaptor of all 3 of the original Focus series WP's from them.
  • Very precise points above by brmiller1976.
    That's way I will stick to my ATIV S(until next version). Rock solid phone. For 14 month of heavy usage (businesses and personal) not a single issue.
    Just work. Full stop.
    Put a smile on my face when Nokia users talked about plastic phones. Quite amusing.
  • @ivo_apo, there's plastic and there's plastic. Nokia phones are artisan devices, crafted with skill and care using the best materials (not much of a fan of the 925 mind you, much prefer their unibody devices). Samsung phones use cheap plastic wrapped around tech wonders and it just ruins what are otherwise amazing devices.
  • Nokia phones are artisan devices
    Good grief, man.  Nokia phones are Qualcomm SKUs, made largely of commodity components, assembled in China.  Just like most other smartphones.
  • *like any other phones, or electronics* FTFY. Even plastics has different grades. Nokia uses much better plastics
  • I don't care where they are made or what is inside them (well I do, but not in context with this discussion); fact is to me they look great, soemthing I cannot say of most Samsung devices. Sure that's not the only factor in buying something, but it is important and it was the point I was making above.
  • For batteries, screens, memory and many many other components Samsung are the go to company for many firms (including Nokia). And as you say they had their devices available on more carriers than Nokia, that comes with their size and power. They also make some of the best TVs, cameras, fridges, laptops, hell even tanks (yep) on the market (though a bit too much of the glossy going on). So i'm not bashing them for the sake of it, I appreciate they cover many markets and are the leader in most areas they compete. However, for all that their phones look tacky. It's beside the point that that they have great screens, good batteries, thin bezels - sure they do many things better than Nokia - but they ruin it (IMO) with cheap plastic backs and front-plates. Front-plates aren't as bad but black would look so much nicer as a contrast again the screen itself. Sure you can get a new back for some of their phones which is great (another plus over a Nokia), but you shouldn't have to. It's just their finish, the final step at which they stumble and where to me Nokia, Apple, Sony, even HTC pay that little bit more attention to detail and make the product desirable. Samsung are too nerdy, they put in the best components, they make the best performing phones and I can see why many geeks would love them but they just don't have any artisty and thus fail to make their products luxurious or desirable beyond pure tech specs.
  • I agree with you that the Samsung ativ and galaxy 3 and 4 are great phones built superbly... But Samsungs other phones are incredibly cheap and crappy and slow!! Honestly put the galaxy discover or the ace against the 520.
  • Nice point, I'm comparing Samsung's top devices against Nokia's - and still find Nokia's far more pleasing. Going down the range and you can see Samsung going cheaper and uglier. Nokia go cheaper, but they keep the good looks. The 520 is still a nice looking phone (if a bit bulky), the 720 to me is one of the best looking Nokia phones, nicer than my 920 just as it's so much skinnier. Compare that to any Sammy phone in those price ranges and they fail way more so than 920/1020 vs S3/S4/Neo comparisons.
  • Samsung didn't invent OLED technology.
  • I agree.
  • You do realize that their are more android devices right? HTC is a good manufacturer that rival Apples iPhones in design Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • You are comparing the GS4, a money maker, vs the cheapo crappy devices that bring in market share...wow. Let's next compare the 1020/1520 with the 520...because that's what you are implying here.
  • You've gotta admit that it's just another borring looking phone. When I here the name Samsung I think grey. 
  • Its a requirement from Microsoft to have a dedicated camera key.
  • Holy shit you fucking fanboys. Stop. I'm a proud Lumia owner but I don't go bashing around other companies. Its really idiotic. Pardon the language but you guys are so fucking obnoxious
  • ROFL   Can I buy those "awesome Nokias" on Sprint?  Nope. Where's the 1520 for Verizon?  Nowhere to be found. Can I get the 1020 on T-Mobile?  FORGET about it. I'd rather have a decent Samsung device available across carriers than "award-winning" carrier-exclusive Nokia devices that will never appear on my preferred provider. Incidentally, the ATIV S Neo is a VASTLY superior handset to the 925.  It has a larger screen, expandable storage, bigger removable battery, less bezel, longer battery life, and costs less.  Oh, and it's available for both CDMA and GSM. I wouldn't get too snippy about Samsung's offerings.  A successful ATIV series is a good thing for Windows Phone, and helps free us from Nokia's POV that "there is no carrier other than AT&T."
  • I have said it many times and I will say it again: F*ck carriers, f*ck contract, buy unlocked phones like everywhere else
  • A lovely sentiment, except that: 1) CDMA networks -- which are often the best option -- don't have "unlocked" devices and don't work with "unlocked" devices; 2) Nokia, as part of its carrier contracts, doesn't sell US-compatible "unlocked" devices directly to consumers. If Windows Phone wants to make headway stateside, it needs every OEM it can get, and it needs every device on every carrier.  Like 'em, hate 'em or not care about 'em, Samsung is an important part of that.
  • +1 a reason I don't have a windows or even get a windows phone is carrier limitation plus contracts are for fools. Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • If your talking about Verizon Nokia phones yes square and huge bezel (928) cause the 925 is the smallest of 920 family. Samsung sucks for not being unique HTC makes beautiful phones (HTC 8x HTC one). The 920 is still the only phone with a happy face and its still one of the best looking phones around and heaviest.
  • I agree ivo. I owned a Lumia 920 for 13 days. It is built like a tank - and does not need a case. Since I have yet to break a phone in the 20+ years I have owned them, I will risk a lighter phone. It's about options. Some people LOVE the Lumia line, and get rabid when someone else doesn't. Others are a bit more pragmatic and remember competetion is good for consumers.
  • I would never trade thin bezels for nokia apps.......
  • Exactly, not everyone likes a brick as a phone!!
  • I agree, but Samsung has huge branding recognition and acceptance and anything that will help sell WP at this point is a good thing.
  • If Nokia sells unlocked phone directly in Murica, I bet Lumias would be selling like hotcakes
  • Hey don't fault them. They got their nose up Nokia's butt. I had a 900, 920, 925 they all had a horrible battery life. My ATIV S Last all day. I actually just used my Tmobile jump and traded my 925 for a note 3. If Nokia had a 1520 variant with 32GB plus memory card slot I would've got a Nokia. This exclusive BS is really helping them. Still I love the feel of both of my Samsung's. I guess I buy what fits my needs and not what some people think is best. Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • I hope that's /s because it looks like the same phone as galaxy s3. Even worst is the name "Huron" might as well call it the Samsung SOS (same old shyt). Seriously its like they're not even trying.
  • Samsung phones are garbage. I had the Samsung Focus (WP7) and my girlfriend has the Samsung ATIV S. I've since upgraded to a Lumia 920 and my girlfriend gets so mad her Ativ takes crappy pictures. The phone is buggier than my lumia. I had two samsung focuses that both died due to faulty microusb ports that wouldnt charge the battery. I've also had several samsung monitors and tv's. Every single one of my company monitors eventually had dead pixels or rows while one would only show reds. The samsung TV we have has faulty component input jacks. I will never buy anything Samsung again. Their shit is nice but quality simply is not their forte.
  • This garbage is why people choose Nokia for WP. I have no respect for Samsung. They just took the S4 and slapped a Windows button on it. Very creative!
  • Some people, including me, like Samsung's design. Got tired of Nokia's constant square polycarbonate shells. The Galaxy S4 looks awesome and I hope this device would be even better. Only worrying thought is that the render lacks a camera button
  • Im holding a GS4 in my hand as we speak. Its garbage. Plastic all over the place, quality sucks especially the buttons! Even a light bump by an empty(!) deo sprayer managed to make a small dent! Design srsly its hideous if it wouldnt be because of my contract I would never buy this phone. Srsly its trash. Only + is the display.
  • While I personally don't like Samsung's design, it's clearly popular. Look at the sales numbers for GS4's and GS3's when compared to Windows Phone. ;) And don't hate on him. While you guys disagree on phone design, you both love the OS contained within, and that's what matters. That's the beautiful thing about Windows Phone: you can shop around for the hardware that best suites your personal style, preference and budget, but rest assured you're getting the same buttery smooth OS as everyone else. Apple, as we know, gives you almost zero choice, and with Android, trying to shop around for different hardware also means you could end up with any number of different Android configurations... Indeed, rejoice that Samsung is adding this to the Windows Phone line-up. It could very well drum up a customer or two, only building on to our ever growing Windows Phone family. We should unite because we love the OS, not divide because we disagree over hardware. :)
  • Just because Samsung floods the market with this shit...sorry this is PURE SAMSUNG GARBAGE
  • We could only hope to sell as many WP as those"junk" Samsungs I'm all for Nokia but in todays high end specs....we have one so we could use some more high end phones to choose from. Gs4 sold around 40 million pieces that's awesome
  • Speak for yourself.  I have a 925, a 928 and an ATIV S Neo, and the ATIV is my favorite of the bunch. Nokia's overemphasis on aesthetics and lack of focus on key features like expandability and removable batteries is a key reason why Windows Phone has lagged in the US market.  The other reason being that Nokia has made most devices "carrier exclusive" and thus hard to buy. I'd rather have a future of "Windows Phone everywhere" on Samsung hardware than "Windows Phone, only at AT&T" on Nokia's pretty-but-largely-crippled hardware.
  • I agree - Im on Verizon, and desperately need a new phone - ive been waiting for the Icon/929 since November to no avail.  If this phone made it to market first, id get it in a heartbeat.  Lets see which one comes out first.   That being said - if Samsung releases their current hardware running Windows Phone on all carriers, its only a good thing for the WP ecosystem, and I cannot comprehend how you idiots on this board do not see that.  If Samsung sells 40 million Android devices, whats to say that 5 million of those people are as frustrated with Andriod as I am, and want to try something else...........well, there it is, on the display, right next to the GS4, the ATIV, running buttery smooth windows phone.  Person tries out the OS, sees that it has most apps they need, thereby adding users, and market share to the platform.  Its a win-win for the platform.  Now, all we need is HTC to release the ONE with Windows Phone on it..........that would be a sexy device - take my money now.
  • The trouble is that a big part of the Windows Phone community is the Nokia fan community -- they want what's best for a now-dead brand, rather than what's best for the ecosystem.  Anything that threatens "Nokia's" position is going to get strongly negative feedback -- whether it's from Samsung, HTC, Huawei, or anyone else.
  • Which makes no sense. True fans of Windows Phone should want to see new devices and want to see competition among the OEMs. I don't get this hatred.
  • Well let's hope WP gets so big we can fight over design at some point, cos Samsung product ugly, cheap plastic phones and deserve the scorn ;-P Sure some people might like their phones, but then some people like Uggs, there's no accounting for taste. But choice is good and it's good Samsung are continuing to support WP even if it is with these phones.
  • ^^ Agreed!
  • Exactly, I didn't buy my ATIV S for the design or the materials it's made from but the OS it runs. I just see butthurt Nokia fanboys that can't stand a company that creates devices for two different operating systems. Get over it, I bet if they focused on Windows Phone and dropped Android and Tizen, then you Nokia fanboys would be behaving like hypocrites and praising Samsung.
  • Absolutely - having choice of hardware and still getting the same fast and efficient software is a huge plus. Regardless if one "hates" one company's hardware or simply prefers one device over the others, we at least get a consistent set of choices.
  • Forc3 said: Im holding a GS4 in my hand as we speak. Its garbage. Plastic all over the place, quality sucks especially the buttons! Even a light bump by an empty(!) deo sprayer managed to make a small dent! Design srsly its hideous if it wouldnt be because of my contract I would never buy this phone. Srsly its trash. Only + is the display. Forc3 - How long do you plan to keep this phone, forever? Most phones are disposable anyway. Granted, this is my viewpoint, where we (virtually EVERYONE I know) get a new phone every 18 to 24 months.
  • A lot of heavy android users would buy a nokia if it'd run android,I guess they are tired of samsung constant cheap look
  • Samsung makes good phones. I owned an Upstage, Galaxy S, Galaxy SII. Moved to Nokia because of colour, not because I hate Samsung.
  • I prefer capacitive as the physical has s finite life, maybe 5,000 on full sized switches let alone tiny ones on smartphones. All my iPhones "died" when the home screen buttons died.
  • iPhones don't count. Their home buttons spoil so damn easily
  • Yeah, ever since the iPhone 4, they've gotten worse. Based on my observations, the iPhone 4S has exceptionally bad home button quality. Nearly everyone in my school with a 4S has to use that Assitive Touch thing, because either their home button or power button doesn't work.
  • However, i would prefer a dip in the touch home button so you don't accidentally touch it when doing something.
  • Double-tap's the way to go... +920
  • Lol I lol at the home button. It
    looks tacky to me but I lol more at people getting excited for more Samsung hand me downs lol
  • LOVE Samsung physical buttons. Yes, that's why I use the ATIV S.
    Having said that im interested in a Windows Phone 'Note 3 phablet' clone before I upgrade.
  • I hope you enjoy you physical button, because you won't be getting anything else from Samsung when it comes to windows phone.......I was an early adaptor of Samsung WP devices in the first two years, but after experiencing the poor device support and overall lack of effort when it came to wp, I jumped ship and went with Nokia (the difference is like night & day)........They honestly have no designs outside of cloning the galaxy line.
  • Hey, how is Nokia's awesome, legendary support on Sprint? Oh, you mean they didn't even bother to make a device for the third largest carrier in the country, while Samsung did?
  • Why don't you ask Sprint why? Sup br, how've you been.
  • It's likely because Nokia wouldn't deal.  Sprint sells phones from much smaller companies like Kyocera, after all. The exclusive devices that went to AT&T likely led Sprint to demand some exclusives of their own, and Nokia wouldn't deliver.  And the Sprint folks said they wanted "something new and unique," which they certainly got with both the Neo and 8XT (for better or worse in both cases).
  • Why would you deal with a company who wouldn't even commit to WP at launch? And neither were new, both retreads of existing phones.
  • Could be the back and search buttons are next to the Home button, but appear when pressed?
  • Yep, must be! That's how s4 works too (capacitive buttons)
  • Good point! 
  • exactly. On my Ativ S they tend to also light up when they are pressed
  • Actually, they light up when you touch the screen. If you press the Windows key it won't light up.
  • They better be. If for no other reason than to stop the drastic changes every year. I'm saying this for consistency sake for the end user AND the developer. I use my back button all the time. Same with search. They are not tough concepts. I find the Android menu button concept painful, but the WP three buttons are fine and better than pressing Morse code into a single button like the iPhone. Sheesh.
  • Yeah, can barely see them on my wife's s4 when it's not on. Most likely the same goes for this.
  • Yeah, how could we enter multitasking if the capacitive keys aren't there!
  • Could this be Samsung's reentry to the Windows Phone world? I sure hope so!
  • I think they just use it to gain further insight into the WP8 Development to support their Tizen and "Message UI" interface
  • apparently their Magazine UI is gone. same with tizen they slowed down development because of the google deal. i suspect they are doing this is becuase they want to diverse their portfolio or they find an opportunity in the WP market
  • i hope HTC follows....   i just want a HTC Titan 3 with full black metal body and i will switch to WP NOW!!! man i miiss my Titan...
  • This
  • They never left.  For many people on some carriers, like Sprint, Samsung is the best WP choice by a mile.
  • Re-entry? Samsung's been with Windows Phone since the beginning. They haven't left.
  • It's hideous
  • +920
  • All samsung devices looks exactly the same, Ugly as hell...
  • Agreed haha
  • I thought the original Samsung Focus was awesome for its time.
  • It also didn't look like other phones
  • Last decent desing from Samsung morons
  • "desing", sorry to be part of the spelling police but it's "design"!!
  • +1
  • Unlike Nokia, right?
  • I have to agree with you here.  All of Nokia's designs have been largely derivative of the N9, but I don't hear complaints about "hand-me-down designs" on that side of the house...
     
  • Because the commentors here think this is NokiaCentral.
  • deal with it
  • Ugly device or ugly comment?
    Check stats for SG4 / SG3 shipped phones.
  • Looks more like you are that diehard sammy fanboy lool ever heard of clever advertising? Ever heard of brand? Everyone knows about Galaxy everyone talks about it. Shipments =/= Design. Thats not how this Industry works lol
  • Fact is, Nokia's designs didn't sell, for a number of reasons including Nokia's TERRIBLE advertising (remember "the smartphone beta test is over" followed by discontinuation/WP8 fiasco), lousy distribution (70% of American wireless subscribers cannot buy Nokia's best devices on their carrier of choice), stupid design choices (removing wireless charging, unexpandable small memory spaces, etc.) That's why Nokia discontinued its cell phone business and reorganized as a patent troll with a small base station hardware business, while Samsung's biggest challenge is figuring out how to keep growth going after thoroughly dominating the market. I'd rather have a healthy Samsung selling Windows Phone everywhere, on all carriers, with a high-end experience than a constantly near-bankrupt Nokia releasing oddball devices that I cannot buy on Verizon, Sprint or T-Mobile and people justifying those bad decisions. If WP is ever to hit the big leagues, it needs OEM support from players like Samsung.  Period.
  • +1 Hate patent trolls. They limit innovation. Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • Yea very not sure what year Samsung design team is stuck in but I recall the Focus line being better then the crap they been doing lately
  • +920
  • If they're going to be lazy with design for WP, then at least offer us a Galaxy Note 3 clone sheesh. Wait, it's Samsung, a Galaxy Note 2 clone!
  • I've been waiting for one of those since 2010 :\
  • Its those disgusting rounded edges all over it. Makes it look bloated, "fat" and ugly... Nokias are nice and "chiseled". 
  • Not ugly but not durable either...
  • Can we see this at MWC?
  • where is the rumour meter?
  • Too bad that it does not have SD800 processor, only SD400. http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx27&os=Windows&api=dx&D=Samsu...  
  • Gipped with year old tech, just like the ativ s lol
  • That's what I expected.
    Galaxy S3-S4 specs at best, just before they release the S5.
  • Yet Windows Phone doesn't a 50,000 core, 100,000,000 GHz processor to run it so why would they bother with a SD800!!
  • future proofing? the lumia 1520 has an 800. it's not just the OS itself, there are plenty of other tasks that it would benefit from. i guess all windows phones should have 512mb too because that's enough, right?
  • Why would there be a hardware start button when there wll be an oncreen start button? Doesn't really make sense.
  • Interesting.
    Maybe is could be a choice for OEM and they can claim that screen real estate back having on screen buttons. Who really knows but only time will tell. Great observation there
  • That's a choice the OEM makes and not mandatory, in this case they chose to go with hardware buttons.
  • I want the back button not to vibrate in any WP
  • Why?
  • Yes. They eats up battery, Ofcourse.
  • I dont know about the battery. My 720s battery is excellent. The reason I dont want want to vibrate coz its irritating sometimes and mostly while tapping the back button.
  • You can disable it.
  • How?
  • its a Samsung only feature
  • Interesting. Wouldn't turn it off on the 8X, as the vibrate is unobtrusive. My old Omnia 7, on the other hand...
  • Looks old and plastic. Not Sold! Rejected!
  • would you expect anything more from samsung on any of their android phones either, lol
  • I want breathing lights....  
  • I hate Samsung
  • A 4.3" high end WP with SD card support is my dream phone, but I would prefer it to be a Nokia.
  • Why would you need highend on a 4.3" Screen? Media Content surely not.
  • Wait, what? Are high end desktops also reserved for over 30" monitors too?
    Screen size doesn't change this in any way. App can load quicker and games can run at better frame rates. Not to mention that 1080p is 1080p, whether at 4.3" or over 6".
  • Because the 800x480 screen on my 822 sucks, particularly when viewing dark photos. The black is always horribly pixelated, often same with video.
    Also the speed of a quad core processor is advantageous to any screen size, especially with a high MP camera.
    I don't like large phones and don't think that I should have to sacrifice specs just to have a manageable sized phone.
    Of course it would still have a larger screen than the "high end" iPhone 5s, which seems to be a popular phone.
  • Don't like the physical buttons or the on screen buttons ideas...hopefully Nokia/Microsoft sticks with their current compacitve button setup
  • I hate capacitive buttons. I always accidentally press one of them with the fatty part of the thumb when trying to reach over to one of the upper corners when I try to use the 920 with one hand. Either I over-exaggerate and yoga my thumb to arc up high as to not touch the capacitive buttons, or I actually have to use my second hand. I miss having normal sized phones and being able to use them with just one hand. I still can't get used to the size of the 920 and would happily upgrade to a smaller phone.
  • You too? I liked the buttons places on my old focus volume on left, power on top right, and the windows button a little lower I'm always hitting the search when open settings page on apps.
  • Nope, remember by all reports Nokia's first high-end 5" 8.1 phone is going completely on screen.
  • It looks just like any other Samsung Galaxy phone, with the exception of the Windows logo it has.
  • I really ensure that wp8.1 is gonna be announced at MWC this february
  • Meh. Samsung is finding its ways to utilize 2013 hardware.
  • Riiight, because Windows Phone REQUIRES a SD800 to run it!!!
  • Coming to Verizon...? Right, just like the 929 and the Black update for 928 and 822 users...
  • +928...
  • Well said. I have an 822, still waiting for the Icon...waiting...waiting..grrrrr!
  • Wait. Remove those vibrations from capacitive buttons.
  • On an Ativ S you need to go to "extra settings" and turn off Haptic Feedback
  • Think they're just in for the software, suddenly gonna pop up on some Android...
  • If its anything like the ATIV S, it'll be a galaxy S with a faux metal finish. Handsome in its own generic way.
  • I hope Samsung brings this, ativ s and odyssey to India.
    Odyssey is so cool with amoled display and that gigantic battery.
    And i love the brushed aluminum finish of ativ s
  • It's painted plastic.
  • So? Cars today are made out of plastic, well at least here in the US
  • Isn't it pretty simple? Painted plastic != brushed aluminium. That's also a hilarious oversimplication you have there.
  • Samsung never left Windows. Ativ S and now comes a new one. See everyone from you whining about Samsung not thinking on WP was to fast to judge. Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • People say Samsung 'left' WP because compared to their first efforts during WP7, its obvious they're not putting as much effort into their phones anymore.
  • +S
  • Actually, Samsung is putting plenty of effort in, especially in the USA.  They dominate WP on Sprint, and have been consistently releasing devices across the Big Three carriers. Nokia, in contrast, has focused only on AT&T, and largely ignored Verizon and Sprint.
  • That phone looks like another we don't really give a shit design with a physical button that only a handful of people want
  • The leading smartphone vendors are Samsung and Apple. Guess whether they offer physical buttons?
  • When will we have a phone which will support both WP and android? Having the two os on one device would be awesome.
  • Tu pagal ho gaya hai
  • So bored of how every Samsung looks exactly the same as the last. Good for windows phone and Samsung fans, but yawn for me.
  • The back button is there.like samsung s4 you dont see them unless you touch them Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • So what? Rate it!!
  • Metal or plastic back?
  • Finally. I hope to god Sammy finally puts up a decent challange to Nokia. Without that, Nokia will never get better.
  • What's wrong with Nokia now?
  • 3 Lumia 920's before I got one that worked. 4 Lumia 900's before I got one that worked?  Sloppy manufacturing processes and a rush to market is the problem. They won't get better if there is no challenge. It needs a reason to improve and right now, there is not the necessary motivation for that.  Now, if this mock up proves true, the process will begin.
  • I agree as competition drives progress. Soon Nokia will only be making the Asha series and forked android phones as Microsoft has bought the Lumia division so in regards to WP its Microsoft that Samsung will compete with. Nokia branding will soon be absent from the windows phone arena
  • Nokia is dead.  It remains to be seen what Microsoft does with Nokia's phone business, but Windows Phone won't succeed long-term without aggressive OEM support.
  • Fake pic? Where is the camera button?
  • Many phones don't have dedicated camera buttons.
  • Yes but Windows Phone does.
  • Which is not a requirement any more, that's up to the OEM.
  • Possibly it's something like double tapping the home button. Remember, this is 8.1
  • Hmmm maybe Samsung is forecasting the rise of WP, thought I read that Samsung and HTC had abandoned WP. Anyway good to see OEM's still supporting this platform but for me Nokia is the only choice... Can't wait to see the latest offerings at MWC... My 1020's CPU & GPU are getting old and my 1520 is far to large for everyday use, bring on a Qualcomm 800/805 in a 5" screen Nokia, be nice to keep 41mp but 20mp is still good not sure about this lytra tech. Anyway onya Samsung.
  • The only place you'll read that Samsung & HTC have abandoned WP is here in the comments due to the Nokia fanboyism around here.
  • My thoughts exactly!!
  • We don't want Galaxy but somethign fresh and genuine.
  • An S5 equivalent would be cool.
  • It's all completely based on S4 just like Ativ S was build on S3 components. There's nothing to be overly excited as Samsung made no effort again. Also at the same time they will show S5 with better hardware and new design and people will be wondering why new Ativ is not based on this, well because this one will be to come just before S6 is out.
  • Yep.
  • Sounds legit
  • Bit suss that volume rocker is on the left side and no physical camera button as I thought Microsoft had strict design rules of button placement's ie: power, volume and physical camera button's on right hand side. Probably wrong... Just a thought
  • Volume rocker on the left is actually quite nice (source: ex-Samsung Focus owner) but the lack of a camera button is not cool.
  • I concur.... Onya xaeryan
  • Nokia fanboys are even worse than isheeps.
  • R u an isheep?
  • Aleksander sataric back under the bridge please.
  • Why, because he's telling it like it is?
  • They all look like one and the same to me
  • Amazing, but why no Tmobile ): Still hoping for another high end Sammy or HTC announcement. Ready to JUMP my 925
  • With the Preview for Developers app updated recently, it seems highly likely. My guess is that announcement at MWC2014, dev preview MAY be somewhere after and //build will detail further about the new dev features and SDK.
  • Looking like a Galaxy S3 on steroids
  • I'll stick to my Nokia!
  • So wait... If I'm to understand correctly.  Verizon phones are unlocked?  So this theoretically means I could use it on T-mobile... right?   Cause that would be epic. 
  • I was under the impression that Verizon phones are unlocked for international but locked for domestic in the US, but correct me if I'm wrong.
  • You're wrong.  Verizon LTE phones are unlocked. The only potential problem is getting MMS settings to work correctly with T-Mobile.  This has been a problem with Nokia's Verizon devices in the past.
  • Physical button is for "add your funny comment here". Capacitive and double tap screen to wake all the way.
  • Well if only HTC made the Windows phone version of the HTC one. Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • +One Posted via the WPC App for Android!
  • Looks like an HTC,Samy knows How to copy devices well
  • Bring it to tmobile!!
  • Hmm nice
  • Camera and lock button?
  • Samsung phones are cheap looking and Imagine the same. Nokia for me please. For the love of god, Sony and HTC come out with something good alongside microkia so we aren't just stuck with Samsung hand me downs.
  • It's amazing how Samsung manages to never change their freakin phones...
    Ativ S = Ativ S Neo = Galaxy lineup
  • Stop hating on Samsung. Be glad an OEM other than Nokia has interest in WP. The more the merrier.
  • +1
  • +1
  • dozens of posts in and finally someone gets it. +1
  • People complain about Samsung's design but forget that Nokia use the same design in its phones too. Lumia 1520 almost looks the same as 1020, 920, 720, 520...
  • Yep, going all the way back to the N9. And by the way, what's the Nokia phone typically made of as well?  Oh yeah, PLASTIC! What's the difference between "cheap shiny plastic" and "smooth Nokia polycarbonate?"  About seven litres of fanboy. ;)
  • The problem is not the material but the way the phone is constructed. Nokia cares more about building a sturdy phone while Samsung doesn't really care. Samsung could be using titanium and their construction quality would still suck.
  • Nokia cares more about building a sturdy phone while Samsung doesn't really care.
    Then how come the screens on my 928 and 925 both have scratches (despite being by themselves, each in its own pocket during the day) while my ATIV S Neo has no scratches and looks exactly the same as it did six months ago, while being treated the same as the newer Nokias? I'd much rather have a phone that holds up to daily use than a phone that I can supposedly drop but that has a screen that scratches when you look at it too hard.
  • How come their phones have more problems then e.g. the 920 which suffered from dust in the front facing camera, wallet app freezing and the phone overheating and that's only a few issues with that particular model!!
  • You won't find may to respond to this.
  • +2520
  • Samsung hedging their bets with a retcon'd gs4 - now that is a brilliant deal. The GS4 is an excellent device (especially when you get rid of the touchwiz bloat) and i can only imagine that wp8 will fly, on this, as it does on the lumia (1520) - their specs being similar! I second the htc one (or whatever comes next) should come to wp also. With htc's financial woes, perhaps shining in the up and coming wp is a good move!? Im still wanting an updated 41mp lumia though ;)
  • Samsung hedging their bets with a retcon'd gs4 - now that is a brilliant deal. The GS4 is an excellent device (especially when you get rid of the touchwiz bloat) and i can only imagine that wp8 will fly, on this, as it does on the lumia (1520) - their specs being similar! I second the htc one (or whatever comes next) should come to wp also. With htc's financial woes, perhaps shining in the up and coming wp is a good move!? Im still wanting an updated 41mp lumia though ;)
  • Sorry for the double post :/
  • I'm sure the search and back buttons illuminate when pressed like on the S4 and Note 3.
  • They do on the ATIV S when you touch the screen as well.
  • My 1520 is the best looking phone out there
  • +1520
  • As much as I wished Nokia had 100% of the market share, Windows Phone needs more visibility. Nokia is not a known brand in the US (it is very well known outside of the US, and highly regarded), but Samsung very much is. Most people that use Windows Phone love it, so the more hands they can be put in the better, regardless of brand.
  • Nokia with 100% of the share would be disastrous. People who are loyal to Samsung & HTC would never look this way again.
  • There seems to be information suggesting that there are multiple variants of this device, with differing specs. whichever the shittiest one is, it will be the one going to Verizon.
  • Look at that ugly Verizon logo! :P
  • Samsung need some new designers. All they know is to clone the Galaxy designs for anything. Didn't like this one, and that physical button is not for me.
  • Yeah and the Nokia ones all look sooo different.
  • Wait, did I mention Nokia? All I said is that the Samsung phones looks all the same. Looks like we can't say anything about one brand without people thinking we're fanboys from another. 
  • LOL... Ok, ok, my bad :)
  • Can't tell if that's the ativ s, neo or some generic android phone. Totally uninspired design, so why does anyone think it will sell just because its made by Samsung, has that been the case for their current WP devices? They haven't done anything beyond put a phone in the darkest corners of a store so I really can't see what will be different this time. A 1000 "Meh's" to this!
  • Nokia devices haven't sold despite their much-touted design. Perhaps an OEM who delivers good specs across all the carriers, like Samsung, will do better than now-gone Nokia's strategy of oddball, strangely-crippled hardware exclusive to just one carrier. Let's hope that Samsung succeeds while Microsoft resucitates the corpse of the Nokia device business.
  • Lets be honest if this beats the icon out the door ,we are all getting it. Lol I'm tired of waiting
  • Its not that they removed the capacitive buttons. They are still there but they will turn on when the phone is in your hands.
    Galaxy s4 style
  • Like a few other people said already, this is fake due to the lack of a physical camera button....
  • It's not necessarily fake, it's just a render.
  • Physical Camera buttons are not a requirement anymore, it's up to the OEM whether they want to add them or not.
  • Not sure why anyone would think Samsung would change anything about their designs. Their phones sell faster than we can imagine. Nokia also has a design language. It's more enticing to some but hard for many to take seriously. Samsung producing a high end windows phone can only mean good things for the platform. Lets save the pissing contests for a later date.
  • +1
  • If WPC was full of sensible comments like this, it'd be a much better place.
  • Plastic shit
  • -1
  • My L925 back is plastic and so is all other 925, yes Samsung should have been whole heartedly be on there WP game instead of just one and that's it, I was waiting for a Samsung WP cause I taught they were going to do the same as with the Android line up have it available across all carrier Nokia give their high end to at&t when they should have make different versions for all carrier so they not much any different.
  • There is no doubt, Nokia is make much better devices, but we are in a growing moment for windows phone, so it's important. Before Samsung I wish other like Sony, LG and even Lenovo surprise us soon and then we'll see windows phone in the place that deserves.
  • Me to. Get used to that features. Sometimes I double tap my friends galaxy phone accidentally.. Lol
  • Where's the camera button?
  • The capacitive back and search buttons are likely the same as on the ATIV S Neo -- they don't appear visible until they light up when you touch them.
  • Oh joy, we get the leftovers of last years Galaxy S4 repurposed for WP. Fuck you Samsung
  • This is not the upgrade to my Ativ S i'm looking for. Will go back to a Lumia or hope HTC bring out a new flagship WP
  • Who on earth could work up even the slightest bit of excitement for this stale, warmed-over Android  leftover?
  • The very same people that can't tell that the back of an Ativ S is plastic.....not aluminium
  • 1080p, replaceable battery, SD card... If it's quad core with 2 GB of RAM, it's my next phone.
  • Those of us who want a world-class, expandable, thin and light WP device for CDMA carriers are going to be happy, since it's finally now available.
  • By world class, do you mean 2 year old recycled S4 hardware/specs?
  • Because to me it looks better than any Nokia, including my own 920 I'm begrudgingly using.
  • Welcome Samsung. Just another Windows Phone smartphone. Where are Sony and LG?
  • Sony will only come after 8.1 which will remove the Xbox services from the devices core. That removal is essential because only thus can Sony replace them with their Playstation services.
    If Microsoft doesn't allow them that, they won't come. But I think Microsoft will allow them since they clearly don't give a sh*t about Xbox on WP
  • A link supporting anything you just said would be appreciated... I mean, we don't want everyone to know that you're talking out of your rear.
  • I need 8.1 not samsung:Daa
  • This is exactly why Windows Phone won't go far... Attitudes and comments like the ones that are showcased here now. I understand the frustration with Samsung, but wakeup & acknowledge the fact that we need all the OEM's we could get on Windows Phone in order for it to gain more popularly and get where IPhone & Android are currently... Just saying!
  • +WP
  • Wp was nothing before nokia.nokia has done everything.so we don't need lagdroid Samsung to make wp
  • Nokia was forced by Elop to only focus on WP as well and put all their eggs in one basket. So you know, they had no choice. And still produced a forked android device on the side. And when Microsoft absorbs the D&S of Nokia you damn well better hope more OEM supports WP or they'll be talking about has been with Blackberry. [Nokia] fanboys need to wake up. Samsung don't need WP but you better believe WP needs Samsung
  • WP fanboys are with you.  We want lots of OEMs doing lots of stuff. NOKIA fanboys who came along for the ride want something different.  But Nokia is dead.  Future devices are going to be Microsoft devices (and hopefully lots of new Samsung, HTC, Huawei, ZTE, Archos, and LG devices too).
  • You're right, this should had been directed to Nokiaism. Edited.
  • So should we fake excitement for a recycled S4?
    Samsung is just throwing MS a bone, then later this month they'll release the S5 that will make this phone look like a dinosaur.
  • We need a S4 running Windows Phone, even if the tech is a year or 2 old, it can't rival Nokia, but at least Samsung have a small albeit non threatening presence
  • I agree about needing other OEMs involved with Windows phones but I have to agree with some of the other posts about Samsung build quality-I have seen some pretty beat up S3 and S4s that aren't even a year old. To me the Nokia apps mean something and I don't know if I will want to lose that, however you have to wonder if eventually they will all be made available to everyone since Microsoft is now Nokia.
  • They are beat up but people are buying them. That's what we need
  • Gee, it looks like EVERY OTHER SAMSUNG PHONE on any platform.  Samsung has the imagination of a cow patty.
  • You have the business sense of a cow patty. It costs money to design a new phone. They will spend that money on the new Galaxy as they know they will sell in the millions, rather than in thousands which is the case for WP.
  • The comments of ignorance in this thread. Can't even find anything useful with so much hate and animosity to Samsung or any other OEM non Nokia. Stopped trying to read
  • Useful information... LOL... in the comment section... LOL... good one. Samsung has earned every bit of their skepticism from the WP community. Until they release WP hardware comparable to their Android devices (S4 specs at best for the "Huron", just before the expected release of the S5) and show a shred of dedication to the platform, Samsung will second guessed.
  • Looks like a carbon copy of the Galaxy S4. Ugly and boring... Also, that button, just like the one on the Ativ S, is ridiculous. I'm not a Verizon customer, but if I were, I'd stick with Nokia for my WP needs. I'd sooner wait it out for the Icon before buying anything by Samsung.
  • A phone with a button? Ridiculous? I would suggest that a phone *without* any buttons is ridiculous.
  • I'm referring to the fact that it's a PHYSICAL button. Much rather have a capacitive button, unless it's the iPhone we're talking about.
  • I know what you meant. My point is that phones with buttons still outsell phones without buttons by a large number. You've been wrapped up in Smartphone land too long. Exactly what is so wrong with buttons anyway? Somebody help me understand this. Then, when all the phones no longer have buttons some OEM will bring out a new model with buttons and it will be groundbreaking. It's The Sneetches all over again.
  • Honestly, after having two Nokia Windows Phones, I wouldn't go back to a phone with a physical home button again unless I were to return to an iPhone, which I don't see ever happening unless my 810 and 920 broke or vanished. My big issue with the button on the Ativ S and this one (unless it's only on this render and not on the real thing) is that it's ugly. Even newer Android phones are doing away with the physical button. There's obviously a reason for that.
  • Meanwhile Nokia Goldfinger is nowhere to be seen...
  • What are you trying to say? 
  • That it's weird that so far nothing has leaked on what is likely Nokia's last flagship. We should have seen a glimpse of it by now at least...
  • Here's my take. We want Wp to be successful. I'm willing to deal with a Samsung phone if it gives windows more exposure.
  • The S4 is a good phone but look around at how many S4 look tachy and the paint is coming off the shell. Look at how many people have iPhones with cracked and damaged screens! My Nokia 920 is like a Tiger Tank! And after a year and a half still looks new, works beautifully and keeps up dating and still pulls peoples attention.
  • I'm just stoked that WP 8.1 is nearer!
  • Why exclusive Verizon phones? At least the AT&T phones were global phones too...
  • All Verizon phones are Global and Verizon has more customers then ATT. Sold the 822 better then ATT did any other WP. Makes more sense to go Verizon.
  • I meant global as in selling in other countries other than the US on Verizon. Like do they sell the 823 and 928 outside the US?
  • Good to see this.  More manufacturers pushing things forward will be good for WP.  If Samsung takes WP seriously it will only push Nokia to work harder to be innovative in the future, which is a win for all of us.  
  • I'm guessing it will be an S4 with Windows Phone and having a S800, right?
  • Why compare the buttons to s4? Ita also how the ativ s is?! Hardware home button and two touch buttons
  • Wasn't Sammy first to show WP8 as well and last to market?
  • It looks like every other upper-end Samsung phone from the last 2-3 years...which is disappointing. Having said that, my ATIV S has been a solid, mostly trouble-free performer for me...and we had "App Folders" first.  I am by no means a Samsung fan, but neither have I been left high and dry by them with this device.  Their App Collection is diverse and functional, and still sees occasional updates and additions...which has always indicated to me that they weren't done with WP. Now if only I could get a Firmware update to go with GDR3 to fix a couple of tiny issues I'd have nothing negative to say at all.
  • I would try Samsung but I worry about their support. So I'll stick with Nokia. And that includes every other OEM.
  • 3/4 of the posts consist of Samsung bashing. Seriously? No comments on how a major OEM re)throwing its hat into the WP ring after such a long time(ativ s neo not really being a new phone after ativ s) could possibly signal growing confidence in Windows OS?
  • Exactly, but that's Nokiaism at its best
  • Skepticism should be understood for a Samsung WP.
    Unless this device is comparable to the Galaxy S5 (rumored to be released early this year), then it will deserve all the bashing it gets as Samsung will have yet again released old Android hardware as a new Windows Phone.
  • The comments are all rehashes: the phone uses plastic (unlike Lumias apparently), it looks like other Samsung phones (while all Lumias are supposedly different each time), and they don't support their devices (not true since the ATIV S has gotten continuous updates to apps, software, and firmware). The truth doesn't matter. They hate Samsung even though they've never used an ATIV S, or Neo, and yet they go out of their way to tell you. I thought we were all fans of Windows Phone, but this sect of Lumia users are ridiculously divisive.
  • Samesung
  • Good for Samsung. I'm happy for Samsung WP'ers
  • Yawn... Same old boring design.
  • And that different from Nokia how...
  • Rumored ugly phone from a company that could care less about Windows Phone.
  • An S4 clone just as the S5 is coming out? Sounds about right...
  • Ugly phone.
  • I'm intrested to see if this will have a different chipset like Exynos maybe? I always read that those chipsets have good GPUs.
  • Ugh, another ugly samsung device. Nokia really does take the cake when it comes to Windows Phone. Samsung doesn't seem to get that to compete in the WP market, you have to actually put some quality design work into the hardware.
  • All you Nokia guys understand that Nokia is no longer in the phone business, right?  You're arguing a moot point at this juncture.  Future devices will be Microsoft Lumias. It's a bit like arguing that you're "sticking with IBM instead of HP for laptops, since HP laptops are cheap plastic," AFTER the announcement of the sale of the IBM PC Company to Lenovo.  Can't be done anymore.
  • I'm still looking forward to a surface phone. Preferably, id take a SP over a Lumia.
  • BOOOORING.... But boring sells if it 1) has great marketing, 2) unusual eye-catching features (no matter how useless - eye-tracking, anyone? LOL), and 3) good specs. I want to see the specs and will decide then. But I don't mind the boring design if it feels good in the hand.
  • Looks like a typical samsung phone... designed like shit with a shitty physical button. No thanks.
  • Sooo...GS4 WP Edition?
  • I'll stick with Nokia.
  • While I'm happy that WP8 is getting another quality high-end device, I will be so pissed if this gets released before the Icon/929. And at this rate, both devices should come with 8.1 on them.
  • Somebody needs to call YouTube so they can take their vile commenters back.
  • Well said, Lumia hipsters come out of the woodwork when there's any news about Samsung just to bash them. Most Samsung users take the moral high ground though and don't bother to reciprocate when there's news about Nokia. Personally I find the Lumia hipsters to be the most pathetic creatures ever to browse this website!!
  • Sam you need to do your research. check the ativ s neo (im using one right now) you cant see the back or search buttons either..until they light up...its part of the Samsung design. the ativ is probably the same. and can i have your job :) and yeah the physical button makes up for glance screen on the Nokia, you touch the button and magically you can see time, date, weather...just about anything. use a black background and enjoy energy saving too. (for all the Samsung critics ss is way ahead on the feature ideas) only just got app folders? lol ]:D
  • I went for a two week holiday with my family during Christmas. I had to delete a lot of my apps & musics only so I can take hires pictures with my Lumia 1020. Only then I wished my Lumia supports storage card, has bigger & replaceable battery like Samsung ;)
  • Hey look its the same design. Its brilliant marketing. Let's see how many actually buy this. Apple did it for the last 9 years and they're "The Best Phone Evar!!!111"
  • Looks soooo boring as usual.
  • I don't want an android look alike. Rather have a unique design.
  • It looks just like the Ativ S from the front
  • "leaked" "WP" and "Verizon" don't promise much...