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Secrets on the inside: Nokia had Android, Microsoft had the Surface Phone

Shortly after joining Nokia as CEO, Stephen Elop issued a company internal memo titled “Burning Platform”. The memo served as a wake-up call for Nokia to rethink their strategy going forward in regards to which mobile platform they were going to build the company upon. It was then a couple of months later at Mobile World Congress 2011 that Nokia announced they would be using Microsoft’s Windows Phone operating system.

Since then, tech pundits and consumers alike have cried for a high-end Nokia smartphone running Android. Nokia has always shot down those pleas, but that might not having always been the case internally. Nokia had Android running on Lumia hardware at one point.

A post by the New York Times details the history between Nokia and Android. While Microsoft and Nokia have publically always seen eye-to-eye in regards to their bullishness with Windows Phone, behind closed doors things weren’t so rosy. An internal secret project at Nokia had Android running on Lumia hardware. The project was sort of a Plan B if things with Windows Phone didn’t work out. The deal between Microsoft and Nokia was always up for renewal at the end of 2014.

Nokia wasn’t alone in having a Plan B. We’ve always heard rumors of a Surface Phone, a device from Microsoft to save Windows Phone from OEMs. Over at The Verge, we now know a little bit more about the long rumored device. According to internal sources, Microsoft had several prototype devices internally as their own Plan B. The secret phone project was headed by Terry Myerson.

What pushed Nokia to really look into Android? It was the progress at which Microsoft had with the Tango update for Windows Phone. Tango was the update that allowed Windows Phone to run on lower end hardware, something that Nokia was adamant about having. They played around with Linux and Android on low-end hardware internally as Microsoft worked on Tango. As we know, the next billion smartphone users will come from hardware that isn’t on the cutting edge.

What would the world be like with Nokia making Android devices and Microsoft producing their own hardware? We’ll never know, but we’ll might see those questions answered in a weird way. Microsoft phones made by “Nokia”.

Source: New York Times, The Verge

  • Thank goodness for small mercies!!!
  • If Nokia would have made and android phone the would've been top of the notch,and they would have cell a lot maybe more than anyone else , but I'm glad they didn't take the copy way , and picked the slow but steady original WP way , I hate copy , if I were to be rich I would have everything custom made that only me have it mmmmm except WP lol
  • I agree with whatever you're saying. ;)
  • I disagree. And so does my wife.
  • I also disagree and so does Jesus
  • yeah Jesus doesnt like this
  • I agree with who agrees, and so does Lucifer.
  • LOL dude
  • I disagree with you and I dont have a wife.
    On a more serious note, this was precisely my concern with MS buying Nokia, that the urgency to get things done will die out. The verge notes that Nokia wasnt pleased with MS efforts to bring WP to low end hardware, that was pretty slow (and quite broken on WP7) to pan out. This is why I always felt more comfortable trusting Nokia than MS, they have the urgency to get things done and hence bring out great handsets since they had more to lose in the near term as compared to MS who could lose the whole of WP and still not be too badly affected overall.
    RIP Nokia, I just hope your spirit lives on and doesnt get slo-moed by the sluggish MS.
  • True.. Nokia Still has the Best Hardware Quality! :) and Crappy companies like Samsung has Ruined Android.. I personally don't Like Android :/ I would prefer Apple iPhone ... I have never liked Android because it's Sooo much in use, every other mobile compapy (Including Local companies like intex, micromax, lava xolo, karbonn, etc etc) are providing Android on Cheap hardware... They have Ruined the mobile Quality.. :/ I don't find android easy to use as well.. :) Windows phone is slow right now, but I'm Damn sure, WP 8.1 will be the answer to all ... :) Even iphone did not have the Notifications and most of the things till iOS 4.... :)
  • HTC also make quality prducts and right now is in a very bad position , people seem to like Samsung "quality"
  • Yea you're right.People choosing android not because of android itself,but blind consumers seeking Galaxy brand in their devices.Real Consumer doesn't need blazing fast CPU on mobile device ,1080p or 20k display on small screen device such as 4 to 6 inches screen.People seeking on apps quality on the store.
  • Nokia the best hardware quality... Among the worst "Made in China" out there. Samsung has made Android a mass market product, if you dont like Touchwiz (I hate it.) you can get Sense on a HTC. On Android the skin makes a huge difference. As to the quality of Samsung devices, they are good for the price only in the segments they are trying to gain market share, once they dominate in Volume, they raise the price and the customer tends to gets screwed. The Samsung S4 is a prime example, much too high MRSP for what you get, much lower real street price to keep the volume up.
  • Wut?
  • as Micheal explained I am in shock that anyone can profit 82 bucks in 1 hour on the internet. Related Site... 
  • Yeah! thank goodness other wise WP will be doomed if Nokia strated manufacturing Android phone.
    There will be no one will be at loss other than MS and WP.
    and Nokia will be the one who gain most but...R.I.P Nokia,
  • yeah ryt!!!!
  • I knew it! But to be fair, in an alternate reality where Lumia runs android, it would be almost fact that Lumia droids will dominate.
  • Or they would be going broke like HTC.
  • Broke would be my guess, unless Google propped Nokia up like Microsoft did in 2011. Or bought them out like Motorola.
    I would hate to have seen some of these fanboys on the day Nokia went under, mass suicides most likely.
  • I'm kind of looking forward to this new HTC Harmony that's (probably?) coming up. But yeah, HTC's really fucked.
  • Weird how consumers go to Android and not realising that the choice of brands is one of the biggest advantages of going to that OS. Especially when HTC's flagships are critically praised, moreso than Samsung's...
  • Samsung are doing a great job with android and I would leave them to it. Whereas when Samsung made a WP8 it wasn't so famous. So lets stick to what we're good at is something I would say to nokia
  • I totally would have bought the Ativ if they'd have released it for TMOUS, that was the original phone I was expecting to get, more than the 920 (had that made it).  It was my original #1 choice.  They didn't offer it for me, I didn't buy it.  I got the only choice I had (8x) then the 925, and I'll likely snap up one of those 1520's because I do love my Nokia phone.  If samsung came out with a windows phone that felt better to hold than my nokia (or my next Nokia) I'd buy it.  I expect the end of Nokia exclusive apps with the purchase so they'll be competing completely on quality from my POV (which they also are #1 in)
  • Except for the OG Focus, it was nice
  • Yeah, pretty sure of that.
    Which means, if someone should be crossing their fingers and praying to all the Saints that Nokia shareholders don't vote against the deal...that someone is Samsung =P
  • hmm. the Shareholders of Nokia already have approve the deal. Which is the reason why the stock for Nokia is up so high right now.  MS just needs the european and US government to approve
  • The shares are up because the market assumes the deal will be completed. They haven't had a chance to call a shareholder meeting to vote on the sale yet.
  • Actually, no. The Board of Directors, controlled by Elop, approved. But they need to hold a voting for the shareholders to have final word (and the government, of course).
    That voting is expected to happen in November.
  • We need sources to back up this fact...  I "believe" they would be in even more trouble. People are comparing phone-phone, have to compare Marketing and Manufacturing.  Nokia is not even close to the marketing of Samsung. You would be seeing AT&T exclusive android devices...while others go to Samsung.
  • Not Likely. Nokia wouldn't have gotten the cash infusion from Microsoft and it would have taken the same years time to get the android phone ready. In the mean time, they would have burned through their cash reserves and wouldn't have enough to compete with Samsung's marketing. The same nerds who say they would buy a Nokia if it had android, wouldn't buy it because it doesn't have an sd card or removable battery. There is also a good chance the initial phone wouldn't have the top specs because by the time Nokia would be ready with a phone, new SOCs would be released.
  • I agree, they would have given Samsung a run for their money.. and they might have come on top.. They went with windows phone alone and they perished. Very very Bad move in hindsight to go windows phone alone.
  • They perished? You're trippin! Nokia is just getting started and so far people are seeing that cameras are a big deal so once that multi billion dollar cash flow from Microsoft kicks in, they'll be spooning that cash like icing.
  • Whether people 'knew it' or not, it comes down to the fact that Nokia testing with Android and Linux was just good business sense. They would have done a SWOT analysis, and determined what they needed to do to ensure they had a plan that took into account weaknesses and threats to the business continuity if the prime Windows Phone strategy was not going to pan out as planned.
  • To hell with Android.
  • I really truly don't understand why there is so much love for Android. Fragmented. Battery hungry. Horrible to look at. Why so much emotion is poured into wanting _another_ handset maker when there are already too many Android handsets in the world - polluting the planet with its inconsistent UI, its intrusive data mining and lack of privacy. I just don't get it. They are ok, but nothing more than ok. Why so much fanboism. Perplexing. I could live the rest of my life without Android in it.
  • You took the words right out of my mouth! Android is just a mess... my husband just got a new Galaxy s4 a momth ago,  stupid thing has already craashed a half dozen times. 
    Windows + Nokia FTW!
  • ^^THIS
    All I see around me, especially with higher end Android devices is people b*tching about how the phone crashes, does not run app 'so and so' or simple does not work as advertised. Problem is, Stock android is actually OK, but these Samsung phones have soo much bloat and crap added it ruins the whole idea. If you look at the way Nokia adds to the WP platform it's a much more integrated and smooth experience.
    Nokia would have never been able to compete at thelevel Samsung is at purely based on resouces. They would not have been able to sell any high end devices and would be stuck in the low to mid end at best. They _could_ have been where Samsung is now if they jumped on the Android bandwagon at the same time as Samsung. That ship sailed and the move to WP was the only route open at the time.
  • Lies! Android users say Android never crash and its perfect and its better than windows phone! Android is the best! *sarcasm*
  • Haha I like the hatred inside you
  • That is not hard to understand. Most androids are crappy halfbaked devices in terms of hardware and software so those who demanded Nokia on android just wanted for Tier 1 manufacturer to come and finally make an android phone "done right".
  • "fanboism" word of the day.
  • Well ... I have both. And setup both with nearly equal services (emails, exchanges, gtalk, facebook, twitter, whatsapp, line, foursquare, and instagram). And guess what? Within a week, my Android consume between doubled to tripled data amount compared to my Lumia. So I just call it a day and revoke the data plan for android and using wifi instead only when needed. I don't really know why this can happening.
  • Thank god we'll never know haha
  • Until I one hits Ebay. Lets hope they were all burned!
  •    What he said. Just like that Sony device popped up running WP7, I'm sure that eventually, an old Lumia N9 or 800 will pop up with Android 2.3 running on it and it will be a collectable.
  • Well, Microsoft is calling itself a "devices and services" company now and they make all of their services available for Android, so is it too far fetched that even Microsoft would release an Android phone after the Nokia deal is done? It wouldn't surprise me. I sure as hell wouldn't get it, but it wouldn't surprise me.
  • Yes, it is too far fetched.
  • If that happens...I am booking one way flight to Mars for me and my family.
  • They also make services to OSX and iOS, are you gonna say (going by your logic) they are going to release a Mac Microsoft version, orr iPad Windows version?
    well i guess, when you actually use your brain, you will probably answer the question you asked.
    of course I know you dont understand a company like Microsoft has to try and compete in some services with other with crossplatform apps/companies/services...
  • Not necessarily, theorically starting in 2016 Nokia could make another phone....
  • Proof for all the doubters out there who kept saying "Nokia would never put Android on a phone".
  • NYT article also says that the Android phone was started being build very early this year or already last year. Meaning on a normal 12 month cycle they would have likely had Android phone right away ready when they could have left the WP deal.
    Making it quite clear that Nokia saw WP strategy not being a viable option. 
    But I guess it ended up well for both. Nokia still got nice amount of cash for its non profitable part, while keeping slightly over half of the company and all the profitable parts, and they got rid of WP.
    MS in a other hand got Nokia's devices plants and much of the R&D centers to push more cash to R&D. Nokia naturally kept its NSN R&D centers and the material R&D specialised to graphene in Cambridge and Helsinki, part of the Advanced technologies, 
  • Microsoft and Nokia haven't got anything yet. The deal was just proposed, not finalized. It's like a marriage of praying mantis. Microsoft (the female) asked Nokia to marry them. Nokia shareholders are the male...and they have yet to say yes. If they do, then they marry and the female eats the male.
  • Nice metaphor... I guess.
  • LOL
  • Well if the males have nothing better to do except just spend the whole day complaining and fighting online instead of taking care of the female or the family then they might as well be used to feed an empty stomach. I bet if female humans did that, world hunger would be solved.
  • That would also be the end of the human race...
  • Yet the praying mantis still survives. Figure that. And they don't even have a sperm bank.
  • Well, humans aren't praying mantises. Also consider that a praying mantis lays hundreds of eggs, and the male isn't always eaten.
  • They already ELOP-ed :)
  • Yep. It was pretty obvious, to non fanboys, that Nokia was leaning towards Android once the exclusive WP deal would have been up.
  • I don't think it was "obvious". Thus was also just testing and tinkering. I think they did it to create leverage with Microsoft to get into the lower spec race. I also think they were leveraging for more cash and/or better licensing arrangements. I don't think we would have seen a Nokia Android, but it's all speculation now. Not much is "obvious" in technology or business.
  • @bradbamford...I think it's safe to say that Nokia was already testing Android even BEFORE they decided to go with Windows Phone.  I remember reading an article on Engadget in 2010 where Anssi Vanjoki stated that they wouldn't "pee in their pants" (hence, choose Android as their main OS); so obviously they tested Android to the extent that they knew they didn't want to go that route.
    Level headed readers knew that Android was an option for Nokia - Android couldn't be an option unless Nokia tested it first.  The Board of Directors chose Windows Phone, and Nokia+Windows Phone fans are enjoying these devices.
  • Surface phone would sell well I think, while Nokia would be battling to survive against Samsung
  • My eyes have been soiled!!!
  • Lol!  Agree.
  • You know, the Lumia running Android looks brilliant. If only Nokia released that phone. Too bad Nokia won't be here anymore. (as a phone maker, that is).
  • The part of Nokia that made phones...will still make phones.. I don't know why people don't get this? lol
  • Of course, but it's going to be under Microsoft-- I meant that a Nokia droid won't happen, not that there won't be any Nokia phones for the next 10 years. :)
  • Sam, I've read & read this - but I can't wrap my head around this. Nokia is selling itself to MS, but only lease the patents for 10 years, but you say MS is NOT buying Nokia the cellphone company? What did & didn't MS buy? Please write this answer for a simpleton like me.
  • They want to buy 30k human slaves, the slaves that engineered and built the phones. ;)
  • Ms bought all except mapping ,and network infrastructure.snd the got some patents other patents were licensed.thats what Paul said
  • To put it simply, Microsoft didn't buy Nokia. They buy Nokia's factories for mobile phones, along with it's RnD and employees. So it's not about acquisition, but buying other company's facility. That's why Microsoft can't use Nokia brand in the long run. It's different with Google buying Motorola Mobility as a company where they can makes Motorola phones as long as they like. This is my understanding upon reading the news. CMIIW
  • +1000000000
  • The same people are going to be making the same phones in the same places. Nothing's changing except for who gives them the money to do so.
  • That's the best summary I've heard so far. So much FUD being spread unnecessarily.
  • I still REALLY want a Surface Phone as part of the surface family of devices, it would be epic. They should do it now that they have acquired Nokia, its not like it matters if they annoy them now!
  • I feel ya bruh! I bet they will eventually, maybe to try and boost the Surface brand? The RT didn't go too well with that..
  • Would love a surface phone, too. I definitely think it would not have been good before... But now? Love Microsoft's recent hardware. Take Zune HD and marry it with the Surface.
  • What a horrible vision of a Nokia providing shitty Android...
  • Whilst the idea intrigues me, part of what makes Lumias so unique is the OS contained therein. Sure the phones are fun and colorful, but it's taken to the next level when the OS is too. Also, if Nokia chose Android, devices like 520 wouldn't exist, Android is just too much a resource hog to make such budget hardware run smoothly. So while I'm glad Nokia went the Windows Phone route, I am curious to see what could've been done with Android. But just like how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop, the world may never know. Likewise, we may never know what potential the Surface Phone had.
  • What makes 520 so great is the fact that the HW is cheaper to comparable Android phones, dual core Snapdragon phones generally retail for twice or thrice the price of a 520, and they operate pretty smooth. WP8 min specs are NOT low!
  • Android really doesn't look so good on Nokia hardware. It only suits jet black hardware like the nexus and it goes very well with the HTC one. I know Nokia is in a bit of a pickle so to survive it must get busy (and yes I know they work extremely hard) therefore, they could possibly make simple black/white phones for android to run on. But here the problem is that they will be going against Samsung so im not very sure about sales. Its beneficial for them to get better and better at the WP platform, since they're leading sales anyway. WP + Nokia is a perfect match.
  • Yup, Nokia is champ of the Windows camp. And Android has too many competitors vying for second place against Samsung, it's just nasty over there. Nokia should continue what they've been doing: increasing the market awareness and appeal of Windows Phone, and the sale will soon follow. Honestly, Nokia is practically the only way to go in the world of Windows Phone, sorry to everyone else, but facts are facts.
  • True. To be honest, if I wasn't such an audiophile and didn't really want that dedicated audio chip in that HTC 8X, Lumia would've been an EASY choice. I can survive without the other things but I need my music awesomely awesome :P Hence why variety is good :)
  • +620
  • Blinkfeed on the One x(
  • This really is not surprising that their R&D deptartment was experimenting with Android.  I'd argue that it would be stupid if they didn't.  Most companies look ahead 5, 10 years in where they want to go.  They would have had to explore other options, and be ready, when the MS deal expired in 2014, assumming WP was not as successful as they wanted.
  • Completely agree with this.
  • I think they would be testing the waters irregardless of the success of WP. Samsung has done so with WP despite the fact that they're dominating the Android world and it would make sense for Nokia to have done likewise. All your eggs in one basket and such.
    I find it a bit humorous that so many of the articles pertaining to this, have tried to report it as Nokia dropping WP for Android. Just because they want to explore the options, that hardly means that they say goodbye to a space that they're dominating. Hell, I hardly even find this newsworthy, because I assumed that they were doing this well before these reports started showing up.
  • I am so glad they didnt go android haha hate to see their beautiful hardware marred by they software lol
  • LOL curiously, that's what Android fans are saying too, regarding Nokia's/WP partnership.
  • Lol!  Curiously, when Nokia released the N8 and the 808, nary a Fandroid was craving Nokia's hardware, camera tech, or designs; it wasn't until Nokia chose to use WP on their hardware instead of Android that the Fandroids started to criticise Nokia - they felt slighted (as if every OEM should automatically want or desire Android).
    Couple Nokia choosing WP over Android with the fact that Nokia brought very appealing aesthetics to mobile phones, something that no one other than Apple was doing at the time, only fueled the Fandroid rage.
    Indeed, Android (the OS and the UI) would have sullied the Nokia hardware and aesthetic.
  • Ugh. Blasphemous :P
  • So Nokia wasn't preparing Android, right? I swear I got shot down here a couple of times by hardcore WP-fans just my suggesting that Nokia could jump to Android.
    Oh, how I love to be right. Anyway, "What would the world be like with Nokia making Android devices and Microsoft producing their own hardware?" A much better world, where almost everyone would be pleased. Nokia WP fans would have their phones, Nokia-only fans who prefered Android would have their phones, and Microsoft-only fans would have their phones.
    Plus, with what Nokia can do for an OS, I'm sure even critics of Android would love Nokia's version. 'cause remember, unlike WP, Android OEM's can change the OS at their whims. Which is why, for example, you can hate Android on an LG but love it on a Sony.
    As for this...I'm now really hopping the deal fails. I want Nokia with options and alive. Not as a puppet part of Microsoft. I want options. Competition. That's what drives OS's forward.
  • Stfu f face
  • *Writing full words challenge failed* 
  • Maybe you can get one of their Android test devices from them, then you wouldn't have to switch to iPhone.
  • Here you go again. I'll repeat it once again: if Nokia disappears, I'm moving to ANDROID. Sony. Got that now? Or do you want me to draw it for you? (but yes, I am hopping to get one of those devices. You can be sure of that.)
  • What, you don't like Samsung? Although if you have a playstation its probably best to stick with Sony...why they don't have anymore Play phones is beyond me. Anyway, you certainly can be a drag here... =/
  • I actually hate Samsung =P And yes, if I have to pick an Android because Nokia's gone, Sony is the best option to me because it has the best camera's on Android and has the plus of the Playstation connection. It's the one that offers better value (also, I also prefer Sony's mould of Android, specially when it comes to access to the multitasking screens)
  • Sorry, I forgot you switched it up to Android. Originally you did say iPhone though.
    I think I'll keep saying iPhone, it seems to annoy you more.
    I just don't understand why a strictly Nokia fan is on a Windows Phone site when you obviously hate WP. Wouldn't you be better served on a Nokia site?
    Edit: I thought about it and would indeed enjoy seeing a descriptive drawing.
  • Ok, let me make this clear: I DON'T hate Windows Phone. I have, however, become very frustrated with its lack of improvements by Microsoft. If Microsoft had been way more committed to the platform, improving features more regularly and without all the carriers hogwash in the middle etc, I would certainly be a much happier consumer of the WP. Again, I don't hate Windows Phone. There are many things I really like about it (and the live tiles is one of them). But an OS has to be much much more than just a pretty design.
    Nokia has done all the work for Microsoft. They release apps, they add features, they do everything. If Nokia goes and all is left is Microsoft's command, you can understand why I have little in the future of the OS. Sure, Nokia employee's can still be there, but their orders and their pace will be marked by MS. and Microsoft's conducting skills in regards to WP are very very poor.
    (I would be far more happy if, for example, Microsoft bought Nokia, but left the company intact and, instead, had transferred the WP team over to Nokia.) To answer your question about "why be here", I guess that's obvious. I own Nokia phones. Nokia phones run Windows Phone. And Windows Phone Central is pretty much the best place to always be up to date with what's going on not only in terms of Apps and updates but also in terms of future phones by Nokia etc.
    I don't think worshipping the ground Windows Phone steps in is a requisite. (post scriptum: I promise I will think of the best way to provide you with a drawing. And yes, I hate Apple. Which is why I wasn't happy at all to be forced into their OS if Nokia disappears. Luckily, Sony came along and released the Z1 just in time.)
  • LOL
    So... are you going to get the gold one or what?
  • He is going to get a Z1, then go flaming why Google release improvement so slow and do not do anything for Sony, and then blame all the carriers hogwash on Google.
  • :) I hope you are a good drawer, DJCBS
  • I'm gonna hang it on my fridge.
  • Good idea
  • Resources would have been spread too thinly for Nokia in the beginning. They'd only survive by a miracle. (think, r&d for both phones and OS, then production, then advertising, then distribution... They would be treading on eggshells.
  • Whoa their R&D team were making options for when the Microsoft deal ended in 2014 just INCASE it wasn't as successful as they hoped.
    That totally means they were ready to ditch WP! WRONG!
  • No said anything about ditching WP, but they probably would have tested the Android waters.
  • Huh?
  • DJCBS makes it sound like Nokia was trying to ditch the Windows Phone platform because it was unsuccessful. When really Nokia was just making sure it can still be Nokia if the whole plan went sour after the deal ended.
  • Lol! I am hoping for the deal to fail too!
  • Hope in one hand, sh*t in the other.
    See which one fills up first.
  • Two worlds, two tomorrows.
  • I would had loved an Android Lumia. Nokia would had been able to produce on their speed.
  • So was this the surprise?
  • Probably...
  • I think it was just a crappy, but somewhat humorous, graphic they posted on Twitter. Something about how your Lumia survives the apocalypse.
    Of course WPC, will just act like it never happened since they hyped it up with an article and it turned out to nothing worth noting.
  • Ewww., android OS seems to cheap for an nokia devices...,imo
  • I agree with that
  • It all points back to Microsoft's lack of urgency in developing WP. When core features like LTE had to be forced on them its no wonder Nokia started looking for an alternative. And still today, the OS is lagging behind and MS is taking their time updating the OS. What will it take to get Microsoft off their butts and moving fast with Windows Phone?
  • You mean like the lagdroid fast moving updates?  Oh wait, there are millions of lagdroid phones without even the last couple of updates.  I had a droid, thought it was one of the crappiest running OSs I had ever used.
  • Nah I just can't imagine it this awesome hardware ruined by android lagy software
  • Agreed. My 920 runs circles around my wife's Note 2
  • Maybe you will see an Android, pumped up by nokias hardware/ software
  • How is that ??? Doesn't Android belong to google (as a software) then how is that possible ?? And wouldn't this be Symbian (upgraded version)
  • Microsoft should post a picture of a Lumia running android for Halloween. Can't believe it. The NYT is simply trying to get some more subscriptions. That's the only reason they wrote this piece.
  • I know, they keep trying to get me with that horrible 50% off deal... =P
  • I still want the Surface Phone. I mean I really want a Surface Phone that looked like the render from last year. Of course I also still believe they should have called the OS "Surface" which would mean all WP's would be Surface Phones. But yeah, still want it and hope they do it.
  • Agreed and hope they still release the beast
  • Surface Phones... LOL  
  • There isn't necessarily strange about having a 'secret' department working on handsets with other o/s, or even pulling apart other devices all together. It wouldn't surprise me if both apple and ms don't have a secret room somewhere where they build their own android devices. It doesn't mean that it was/wasn't in their plans. All this really means is that Nokia were keeping on top of the industry, making sure they keep up to date. From a commercial perspective it would be very bad practice if they didn't have another move available if wp suddenly got dropped by ms. I do believe that Nokia had no intention of making an android phone for release, but had their 'secret' room for r&d and a 'sh*t hit the fan' scenario.
  • If Nokia did went with android, they can probably recreate the swipe UI of Meego based on android. And the lumia(N9) hardware design was originally created to work with Meego.
  • If meego was that good, they wouldn't need to use android or WP, simple as that!
  • To be honest here, Meego was underdeveloped - due to Nokia's complacency. It should have been way better than Android - it doesn't rely on Java to do work. I look forward to Sailfish, to see how they push it to its potential.
  • Nokia complacency?
    But, but... Nokia is perfect...
  • Not before the burning memo fiasco, though. Before that, Nokia was slacking.
  • There's also a good chance that they were the reason GDR2 came out later than expected, apparently they were behind on Amber. Which sounds right, considering notifications were supposed to be with Glance.
  • They did the right thing.