Will only AT&T have the 920 in the US?
In today’s press release from AT&T making the Nokia Lumia 820 and 920 official, the word “exclusive” unfortunately was tossed in to the mix raising some red flags.
When addressing the Lumia 920 specifically it was used in this context:
“Exclusive to our customers and featuring unique innovations…the Lumia 920 will be one of the hottest phones for the holidays,”
To us that sounds like AT&T has managed to make a deal with Nokia to be the only carrier offering the flagship phone. While the Lumia 820 has been expected to go to T-Mobile and even Verizon, the 920 was always a toss up. Many people have been hoping big Red would finally get a top of the line Nokia Windows Phone. In fact, an earlier report from PhoneArena strongly suggested that to be the case.
No Lumia 920 for Verizon?
Now, all of that is being called into question.
We don’t want to dwell too much on it because we simply don’t know the details—for all we know, AT&T has a 30,60 or 90 day exclusive on the device as opposed to an open-ended deal with Nokia. That means Verizon could still be set to get the phone just at a later date.
Regardless, we’re obviously not fans of carrier-exclusives but have come to recognize that they are just part of the business model these days. AT&T since day one of Windows Phone 7 has had all of the top devices, often exclusively. There’s little reason to think that two years later any of that has changed.
Though the 820 is exclusive too, rumors suggest Verizon is getting the 822
That's a shame though. We think most of our readers would agree that the best shot for Windows Phone (and Nokia) would be to get the Lumia 920 in as many hands as possible. By limiting it to just AT&T, even initially, it puts the brakes on that momentum. It may be good for AT&T but not good for Nokia.
If this exclusive holds true, we can see many folks on Verizon simply buying the HTC 8X instead. That's not a bad runner up.
We’ll reach out for clarification on the exclusiveness but carriers and OEMs are usually not fans of giving details on these matters.
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Verizon and T-Mobile out. Nokia Lumia 920, exclusive to AT&T?
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I'm with T-Mobile and I was hoping to get the Nokia 920. This sucks... bad move Nokia! Guess I'll have to go with the HTC 8X. Which to me is the 2nd best windows 8 phone announced.
NO NO NOkia!!!
- I didn't buy a Lumia 800 because it took to long before it was available in white (and then the Lumia 900 was announced)
- I ddn't buy a Lumia 900 becasue it took to long before it was available (and then Windows Phone 8 was announced)
- Now I want a grey Lumia 920 and it will not be available at my carrier and grey will 'be kept exclusive' for a while anyhow.
Altough I hate doing this and I would love to comeback to Nokia:
I SWITCH TO HTC.
Nokia: put the 920 on a diet and maybe w'll meet in 2-3 years, hopefully...
Nokia is really getting slammed for this on Facebook! What a terrible business move.
http://www.facebook.com/nokia
I would guess this is exclusive for a few months only.
Even though Im a Verizon user, I'm glad to hear that 920 is an exclusive. Its an iPhone kinda thing all over again. Verizon will loose tons of money and users for making the same mistake it has done years ago. hopefully they will change mobile plans all over again in order to make customers come back again.
Last two phones have been HTC. Currently Trophy. I will never buy HTC again. Call quality and overall support sucks.
I was holding out hope for Nokia but now I hear this crap. I'm grandfathered in Verizon unlimited so I'm not leaving ATT. Not sure what I'm going to do now as far as new phone.
Not much to choose from and perhaps I just may go back to Android if Samsung or another company other that HTC has a good new Verizon phone
I too am grandfathered in, but once you switch phones we will lose the unlimited. I got this directly from the VP of Verizon.
Holy cow, this global 920 appears to have 1700 band!!!
http://www.nokia.com/global/products/phone/lumia920/specifications/
T-Mobile HTC 8X will be sexier than the AT&T Lumia 920 just because it isn't on AT&T and because it really is sexier!!!
I'm sticking with Verizon... Not because at&t "screwed me over"... Just because I'm happy with the service and don't want to risk moving. So 8x it is. Maybe someday Nokia will wake up and realize they are shooting themselves in the foot... I don't care what at&t is giving them, it's not worth the loss of mindshare.
I should also mention that I was already having a very hard time deciding between the 920 and 8x... Much prefer the looks of the 8x, but the camera and memory of the 920. So no big deal.
Well here's to hoping Surface Phone is for every carrier and is a solid, groundbreaking device. Your move Microsoft, you have hype to live up to if you want your phone to sell. Sigh.
I really could care less about exclusivity pacts with device builders and cellular providers since I'm a Sprint customer and probably won't be seeing anything WP realted for a long time, But!
I cannot see how these things are going to help get WP out to the masses. If manufacturers ae only providing 1 or 2 phones to a company with Windows on it compared to multitude of Droid phones per retailer, how on earth do they expect it to catch on and thrive? It will continue to be a small niche OS on a small number of devices until people begin to see multiple devices on the table at teh store.
We, ourselves, are not enough to get this out to the masses who have drank of the Apple Juice and Droid fluids. Even I will probably be going Droid in the coming weeks unfortunately. And, the device I get will be one that is sold by nearly every company here in the States.
Exclusivity is a Very, VERY BAD thing.
Very disappointing to hear. Really wanted the Lumia 920 but i'll never switch to AT&T.
u all relax 920 is coming to all carriers
Well I'll be choosing between the Ativ S and 8x. Now we know why Microsoft made the HTC phones the signature hardware.
Man, if this turns out to be, that's gonna suck. I'm on Verizon and was much more interested in a 920 than an 8X. I would hope Verizon gets it eventually, but I can't wait around 6 months for it, I've already been waiting since July. If the 820 (or variant) comes, I'd probably go with that to at least get the Nokia software.
I have been dealing with the original Sprint Palm Pre since it first came out. I had decided to upgrade to the Iphone5 when it came out until I saw the Lumia 920. I was ready to switch to Verizon to get the 920 because they have 4G LTE in my area where Sprint does not and I am not a fan of AT&T. If the Lumia 920 is going to be exclusive to AT&T, I guess I will just have to go to the iphone. I was hoping to avoid becoming another Apple drone, but oh well.
Nokia US contact email:
http://www.nokia.com/us-en/support/contact/email-us/
Makes the choice to get a blue 8x that much easier.
Way to eschew long term needs in favor of short term greed. The instant gratification of taking an exclusivity payout will bite them in the long run, due to all of the lost sales on the other carriers.
They're ignoring over half of their potential customers. Foolishness 101.
Yes, I'm one of the bitter Verizon customers who was going to bring a family plan into Nokia's fold. But I'm not changing carriers for this phone. That's Nokia's loss. And don't bother suggesting the 820, either. I have zero interest in that model.
We'll see if this is actually the case. Even if it is, I personally am GOOD with the 8x and excited for it on Vzn. And if the exclusive stuff is true I'm hoping for Windoes Phone sake that it's just a 30, 60 or 90 day thing. They NEED more customers and more carriers. I'm one of those that won't ditch vzn's excellent coverage just for a phone I want. They need to realize there's tons of people like this. If people don't get options on a carrier that they love, they'll just choose a phone that works on that carrier.
Dumb to limit to certain carriers. Just plain dumb.
Its funny how Nokia Central aka WPC has polls galore everytime Nokia even sneezes, This is smelling like a Nokia fart yet no polls....... I call for a poll ASAP
It seems we have more opinions than facts. Hopefully we'll get more details about any AT&T exclusivity and Nokia's future 920 rollout info. Nokia and Verizon have had a pretty bad falling out ever since Verizon demanded their own OS,instead of Nokia's S40 OS, on all their regular phones years ago.Nokia used to make excellent CDMA phones before they went all-GSM.
If the 920 is not made available on Verizon, I will not buy the 822. I'll go with HTC instead. Nokia will have lost a potential customer
I will be the one of the EX-TMOBILE customer
I was actually hoping to leave AT&T next month for T-Mobile for Unlimtied UN-THROTTLED DATA
This is some real bullshi* and Nokia must be pissed because MS said good things about HTC and this is their way of sabotaging WP8 and themselves in the long run.
Actually im starting to see the positive in this. Maybe ATT is really set to push this phone hard. If employees are excited about this thats a really good thing. ATT probably promised Nokia big things. Verizon still might end up getting it. By them it may become a popular phone
GUYS !!! This is just first gen WP8. There's still next gen ........
Great point but at the same time if MS wants market share they need to copy Google and put there phone & its OS EVERYWHERE they can for what is basically a re launch of the OS
MS is doing that. They have great phones announced for all carriers except Sprint.
Sprint's a douchebag .
True,,,,and Nokia might not be around to make any 2nd gen devices.
If rumors are true we could see HTC taking business away from Nokia
I hate T-Mobiles direction with WP. We we're stuck with "little brother" devices like the Radar and the 710 while AT&T was pushing flagships like the Focus S, Titan II and the Lumia 900.
I'd be surprised if we even got the 8X at this point. For all I know T-Mobile might just throw us the 8S and be done with it.
T-Mobile's getting HTC 8x and Ativ S.
WOW! If this happen No Wonder Nokia having issues and their Stock is so low. It's just common sense to get your devices on as many carriers as possible. This way you can sell more of them instead of tying yourself just to once carrier is a very Stupid thing to do. If this is the case Nokia might not last long AT&T is one of the worse out of the 4 to begin with and limiting yourself to them is just a bad idea. At this rate Nokia might not be around very long or have to get bought out. Just my 2 cents. :)
I've been with Att for about 3 years now. I have never had problems with them. Att has one of the largest networks of customers. They can't be that bad if so many people are with them. With so many options for cell service in the US they must be doing something right to have as many customers as they do.
god damn it.
This is the phone that has it all. Design,best features,best software,best camera. This is the phone that can lift WP market share. This is the phone that will have people talking and the one everyone is comparing top specs too. It's such a shame that it's limited to one carrier.
Yep...remember that poll that said something like 90% of the people wanted to buy the 920? Well you can probably cut that in half now. A HUGE portion of those people (me included) are not going to switch carriers for that phone. It's now the 8X or Ativ for me.
Bad move for MS and Nokia if the 920 does not come out for Tmo or Verizon. I hope it comes.
Verizon is one of the largest carriers in the US, putting mid range devices like the 820 or the 822 will not go well at all.
Well, it looks like I'll just have to keep my fingers crossed that I can get ahold of an unlocked 920 and that T-mobile really steps up their 1900 MHz spectrum move.
If anyone is interested, there is a crowd-sourced map showing progress... http://www.airportal.de/
Im ratchet now. Im going to kill someone of only at&t gets it. Nokia should have listened to the last time they made the 900 exclusive. I was hoping they wouldn't make the same mistake. I hope this is just a rumor, the potential of Nokia expanding is limited through just one carrier.
Could Verizon be that dumb to let AT&T get these exclusives phones. HEY Verizon have you ever thought about pulling your head out of your butt?
It's a bad thing but on the positive side working closely with ATT = better carrier marketing, support and training. All things Nokia can use and replicate when moving their flagship device to another carrier.
You're not looking at bigger picture. One carrier unknown, untested, unpopular, device, selling against iPhone 5, note 2, one x+, Gs 3. Good luck Nokia. Good luck Eflop.
Nokia will have no body to blame now if they are not doing well with 920/820. You han't learned a thing from their exclusive deal with AT&T last time around. Even the poll shows 82% share of user preference, the actual sales may not be the same due to their choice of marketing. The HTC and ATIV sales will surprise Nokia, especially the HTC 8x. But what can you say? I'll reduce my Nokia shares by half.
Nokia don't want to sell this phone (only at&t) please ! the same mistake they did with the 900 and 800.
Was this really a thing? Did people actually question whether or not it was an AT&T exclusive? I would've been would've been shocked of it wasn't.
This sucks, not that I care as I live in the UK, but it sucks that nothing changes from the last launch. In the end WP suffers, a sea of Android phones will drown the token Samsung Ativ and the" inferior" Htc 8x.
This entire WP8 launch is like a two month long train wreck, with still incomplete information after multiple press conferences, fake video scandal, exclusive carriers, uneven feature sets (microsd), limited SDK, MS switching favourites, MS screwing everyone with their own phone, inexplicable secrecy around the WP8 features. I LOVE the product but this marketing strategy just sucks! Oh, I have no doubt there will be more screw ups. Maybe Rogers will get it only in December, carry only black for the first few months. Maybe MS will cripple their music and movie stores by geographic restrictions. I will not be surprised by any of that.
Completely agree! Hope its wrong, but im afraid fro a PR perspective its a train wreak. This is last chance saloon for MS and WP
+ 1. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Hopefully it will be available to VZ later. Just too huge a customer base to pass up.
Android would have probably never taken off if iPhone wasn't exclusive to AT&T for so long. Verizon needed something to compete with the iPhone so they started pushing Android super hard.
If people didn't switch to AT&T for the iPhone, what makes Nokia/AT&T think they'll do it for a Lumia 920? The Lumia 920's camera is mind-blowing, I know people who are seriously considering switching from Android or iOS to get it, but it's just not gonna happen if it's AT&T only.
exclusive to at&t? i suppose they just want it to fail. how stupid.
Knowing there is a Lumia 822, who's to say that the 920 truly IS going to be exclusive to AT&T, and a 922 will be available for Verizon? I'm not holding my breath that this would be true. Nokia does seem to be hurting their chances of a major rebound. You need to have a device on the top two carriers in the US to be successful in the US, as long as your name isn't some fruit.
IF THIS IS INDEED TRUE and there's a small chance left that it isn't, it does not make sense to me. No matter how you look at it, the hottest Windows 8 Phone released on three carriers is going to sell more than one lone carrier. Why would you not want to get this phone and everyone's hand. I am not buying into the idea that the carriers did not want the Lumia 920. Bring on the Ativ S and 8X for T-Mobile! I'm done crying about things I can't change.
Hi.
Anyone knows if the 920 is going to be available unlocked somewhere this year or at the beggining of next year? right now where I live two carriers brought the 900!!! DOA!! I mean like 1 month ago or something like that so I cannot wait for them to offer the NL920 or 820.
Isn't att overall a larger company than Verizon and Tmobil? And that's why Verizon fought to keep att from being able to purchase tmobil? If so, att has more pull than the other two. I've never gotten screwed by my carrier, att. I had all Verizon, less mobil, nothing worked properly even landline. Customer service was horrible. They asked if I wanted to add Mobil line and I couldn't contain myself. I laughed at them stating if you can't provide me with a good landline, fios tv and internet, why would I want you Mobil service. Yeah, that was when I went to Xfinity. Anyway, sorry for all you ppl on Verizon and tmobil. Its a huge let down, but the 8X is your savior. Personally, I would do the ativ s if I couldn't get the 920. Remember, its the OS experience you really want and you'll still have it. Keep your spirits up
In the US Verizon and AT&T are extremely close in subscribers, I'm not sure right this moment who has more, but they are like single digit % points apart from each other at any given time.
I would say that Verizon has richer customers (they charge more for service on average) and therefore are more likely to buy a premium phone. AT&T customers tend to be more cost-conscious (again a generalization) and would be more interested in low-end phones.
In the interview with Elop (article on this site a day or two ago), he said one of the mistakes they made with Lumia in Europe was pushing it out to as many carriers as they could. Not clear why this hurt them, but he blamed the fact that they pushed it out to many carriers as a reason sales were not as good as they had hoped in Europe. Perhaps, they felt that exclusive phone get better marketing from the Carriers.
In any case, my point is that it was likely Nokia's decision to go exclusive. I agree with other though---get the phone out to as many people as possible. For a high-end device this is good business sense. I understand if you want to build exclusive relationships with low-end devices.
I was right about the exclusivity. Meanwhile Daniel told me not to spread "FUD". I then apologized when he ran a story saying Verizon is getting it.
I take back my appology. LOL.
No one is smarter or better than any other. Innocent until proven guilty.
This is bullshit! I was so ready to switch from HTC to Nokia, now, I'm forced to stick with HTC. Not smart Nokia considering that you need all the help you can get. If AT&T's exclusivity is only x amount of days, it will still be to late for the people who renewed their contracts with a different type of Windows Phone.
ATT has a large customer base and they are training employees on how to use WP8. I think Nokia will do alright if the L920 is gonna be exclusive. ATT is showing huge support with the training seminar. Maybe this is a reward for their support. I think people will switch for this phone, just like people,myself included, switched for the iPhone 4.
I was surprised, going into an AT&T store the other day, when I brought up Windows Phone and the rep started gushing about WP8 and how excited they all are for it. Big difference from when WP7 was launched.
Exactly. Att is pushing WP8. They have two dates set later this month to train employees on WP8. They will get people buying the L920.
I disagree. I think this was the right move.
There are a few advantages.
- Truck loads of money from AT&T
- Free marketing push by some great marketers that understand the North American market
- Air of exclusive branding. "Everyone has a HTC 8x or Ativ S but only an elite club has the Nokia Lumia 920." Yes, some people think this way. This is especially prevalent in the clothing industry and the video game industry(mainly by PS3 fanboys saying Uncharted 2 man! much better than Gears of War and exclusive to the PS3 only while Gears was on the PC and Xbox).
- This one ties into the one above but if you were deciding between the 920 and the 8x, would you rather have the one exclusive to your carrier or the one everyone and their grandma can get on every carrier? Call me shallow but I like to differentiate and would buy the 920 based on this fact alone. Although this doesn't apply to me because I am not sure who is getting it in Canada between Telus and Rogers. Since AT&T got it, I am guessing it might be a blanket deal and Rogers gets it exclusive.
Nokia probably thinks that the above far outweigh the profits they would get from doing a multiple carrier release. I tend to agree with their business professionals with the iphone 5 being pretty new and the GS3 being somewhat new-ish. If AT&T believes the Lumia 920 is going to take the scraps leftover from the iphone 5 and GS3 and is willing to pay you up front for it, wouldn't you take it? I would in a hearbeat.
Besides, the original Galaxy S2 was Bell exclusive in Canada and it worked out quite well for them. This isn't the time for Nokia yet. Samsung waited until the GS3 to pull the trigger once they had more consumer awareness. Nokia should play it safe for now and wait. Maybe the Nokia Lumia Surface or the 940 will be ready for the multiple carrier assault. Definitely not yet IMO.
Everyone please post your comments on Nokia's facebook page so they know how bad they screwed up! They will take your post down but at least they will see how pissed we are.
http://www.facebook.com/nokia
How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Shouldn't we wait till they say anything before jumping into conclusions? Everybody's so mad. But we don't even know what's gonna next.
+1 Agreed. It's all wordplay and speculation at this point.
i think this phone may be a timed exclusive. if im not mistaken i thought there was a rumor a couple of months back saying this. i just cant see nokia not offering the 920 to other carriers here
The exact same rumor existed about the Lumia 900. In fact, I believe there were a bunch of articles/rumors all over the place about the Lumia 900 going to T-Mobile and possibly Verizon after their 90 day exclusivity window. We can all see how that one worked out.
Yep, I was on Tmo at the time and hoping it would come there. Came to my senses and switched and am now anticipating the 920.
Glad it's working out for you. AT&T reception seems to suck in my area, my girlfriend was always dropping calls until she came to T-Mobile. I'll stay where I'm at with better reception, way better plan prices, and suckier phones :/
"We can all see how that one worked out."
It may have been offered to Verizon after the 90 window but Verizon wasn't interested. Would you be interested in selling a phone that isn't lighting up ther registers at AT&T and whose OS is about to become obsolete? Why would Verizon want to invest the time and expense training, advertising, and selling a phone just as it's being phased out?
A post I read from a Verizon rep said, They were not interested due to the bugs with the Lumia 900. At the time this went down, there was NO public annoucement about Windows Phone 8, so it was just a rumor IF current devices could be updated or not.
I have been truly lusting over the Lumia design since it came out. I'm on T-Mobile and I'm not gonna switch to ATT. The Lumia 800/900 design drew me to Windows Phone. I am going to get a Windows phone as soon as they come out. Now it looks like it will be the signature Windows Phone from HTC.
Well played Nokia, you converted me to Windows Phone, then sold me your competitor's phone.
The big winner is HTC with the 8X being on multiple carriers.
If you guys want to blame, I think it´s at&t to blame, not Nokia. Nokia would be more than happy to sell more phones.
Nokia might have already begged at&t to give that exclusiveness to Verizon and T-Mobile as well, but if at&t did not permit, what can Nokia do?
Elop himself mentioned a few days ago how it was a mistake to offer the Lumia 900 on multiple carriers in Europe. He preferred the one carrier approach they had in the US. What he said makes even more sense now that both Lumias are showing as "exclusively from AT&T on Nokia's website - he was referring to all markets.
I call BS.
My plan is to join my sister on a share plan which will save money. Im on verizon and so is she but I will leaveand have my sister leave for AT&T if they pull another Trophy. I have a trophy now and didnt like having to wait forever to get a Windows Phone on Verizon. I also didnt like their extreme lack of enthusiasm for Windows Phone in general. Im set on leaving if more BS happens on Verizon. i have no reason to stay
Does anyone know what time the event is this evening in NYC?
When you have 4% of the market you are hardly in a position to make such a dumb move by making it exclusive to AT&T. All you do is just build resentment from people like me. Honestly do these people not see what Apple does??? Get you phones in as many hands as possible and you will see interest rise.
Apple started as exclusive for many years on Att. See what happened with them? They didn't die.
Crapple was in no way, shape or form in any kind of financial trouble when they came out with the iPhone and put it exlusively on CrapT&T. They were quite the opposite in that they were doing great and already had a cult following of iSheeple.
Now, I start to think there are people coming in just to make fake complains. Since you get married, you still may get divorce. So, who says you must be with only one carrier for the rest of your life?
Yeah, CrapT&T is not an option to switch to. Already had to take their asses to court once and will never put myself in that position again.
calling temp exclusive
Yea but, how long is temp ? 1 month, ok, acceptable, 6 months ? I will be waiting because there will already be rumors about 8.5 devices..
Looks like I MIGHT be buying a HTC but, will not sign a contract unless I get the phone I really want.
Will not sign a contract for a mid-line phone and the 8X with 16gb of ram is a mid-line phone to me...16gb in a modern phone with out being expandable is unacceptable to me
When the rumors cam out, the 8X was codenamed the Accord and was considered a mid range phone. The rumored Zenith was the high end phone but it has yet to surface, possibly due to the fact that it's supposed to have a quad-core chip, whose availability was only recently announced. See www.wpcentral.com/htc-windows-phone-8-specs-leaked-three-new-phones for reference.
Yea, I know but, nothing has been public said about it yet... so it's just a rumor...Like Verizon even getting it or the 920/922
I'm sure AT&T will get that exclusively also.
I might just say screw WP and get the Note 2 on Tmobile.
perfect device to use on the ghetto carrier Trash-Mobile.
They're couldn't have been too ghetto, AFee&Fee wanted to buy them.
They were going to buy them just to cover the areas that they couldn't already cover...
Personally I wanted to see AT&T buy TMOUS, then AT&T could compete with Verizon in coverage but, that never happend...
I cant give up Verizon because AT&T calls get dropped all the time in my area...and I almost never lose a call with Verizon..
And T-mo just bought Metro PCS.
So Nokia just signed its own death certificate. By giving the 920 to only AT&T it will limit how many people can get the phone and since AT&T has a boatload of new & existing phones the competition will be fierce at that carrier for sales. And AT&T will also have the HTC WP8 models, plus all the new android phones coming out for the holidays AND the iphone5.
This pretty much ensures that the 920 will not do well and Nokia as a whole will be toast.
In order for Nokia to survive another year it needs to get its phones in as many peoples hands as possible and that means on as many carriers as possible. windows phone as it is has an uphill battle for marketshare at an aenemic 3% to 4% market share. And now you limit the availability of arguably the best new windows phone to one carrier???
Good bye Nokia...it was nice knowing you. By this time next year their CEO Elop will be history and I'd be surprised if Nokia is still around.
DUMB DUMB DUMB!!!!!
Hardly, Nokia has never needed USA to be where it was at, Nokia has always been far more popular everywhere else but in the US and managed just fine.
Sure, in their current situation popularity in the US would probably help a boatload too :D
Not to sound like the ugly american but everyone needs the US as it is the biggest consumer market in the world. So yes Nokia needs the US market and they sold a boat load of their old feature phones in the US.
No multinational company can be successful if they don't do well in the US market, thats just a fact.
Apple started out exclusive to Att for many years and look where they are now. This is not gonna be the end of Nokia. IPhone survived their run as an exclusive to Att and now have a good market share. Exclusivity deals have always existed in the US market. Art has a huge customer base. They are training employees on using and selling WP8. Is Verizon holding a training seminar on WP8? I haven't heard about it. Att will make sure the L920 succeeds. When iphone was exclusive, it carried this aura with it. Peoplehad to have it and people switched to Att. The L920 is a much better phone. I think it could recreate that aura.
"By giving the 920 to only AT&T..."
Nokia isn't giving anything. They're selling it.
"In order for Nokia to survive another year it needs to get its phones in as many peoples hands as possible..."
No. In order for Nokia to survive another year, it needs cash, and that's exactly what they're getting. Nokia is selling marketshare to raise cash.
Think I'll pass and hold for surface phone.
I think I'm in that boat now too.
Agreed!
I love my Lumia 710 and Nokia's exclusive apps, and I’ve had my fingers crossed that T-Mobile would get the 920. Since that possibility (or even the possibility of the 820, according to Nokia's Web site) seems to have gone out the window, I'm just going to stick with my 710 and wait to see what the Surface brings. Like many, I'm not switching carriers for a phone, because I've had less than satisfying experience with AT&T and right now my grandfathered calling/texting/data plan can't be beat!
Luckily for Nokia, their business isn't just dependant on the US. But if they want to be a competitor in the US, limiting their phones to 1 carrier won't help their presence here. The Nokia name doesn't have the cache Apple had. It's starting to make sense why the 8X/8S is WP8's hero phone and not the Lumia...Microsoft must have known about this exclusivity.
All carriers offer different coverage across rural America. I'm on sprint with my Arrive,but verizons coverage is better around here now,they are actively building towers in the deep country of Nor-Cal,sprint has gotten better and ATT is flat out horrible,has been for years up here,im sure it's same story just different roles across the country. So offering to only one carrier is such a bad decision for many reasons.
I've been a fan of WP since winmo but I am getting tired of all the BS associated with the OS,from carriers not helping(sprint/updates/devices) to carrier exclusivity Microsoft is not getting it done. Yes I bring MS into it due to the fact that they have such control over every other aspect of the WPbrand they should do more to get the phones out there.starting with pushing them like crazy on Xbox console adds during apps and home screen commercial space. Then move to paying carriers if need be to pick up flagship models
I for one was planning on getting the 920 on Verizon. I'm staying with Verizon, so Nokia just lost a customer. Maybe they can try again in two years, if they survive.
I hope Nokia fails.
Hey Daniel, can you guys make a new poll showing what phone will you purchase now that the 920 is exclusive only to att
I don't get it. Especially if the 820 is exclusive to ATT. If that's the case, there go choices number 1 and 2 for me.
So the question is, how long do I have to rock 7.8 until T-mobile gets a Lumia920 equivalent?
Exactly, when you get an unlocked phone, it becomes even cheaper, because with 24-month contract, when you count all the money together it is usually a lot more expensive (you have to pay the rates for the money). I used to ask my parents money for unlock phone and I paid them back in 2 years, it became a lot cheaper for me.
Not true on AT&T and Verzon at least. You don't get any cheaper rates for non contract purchases.
that's assuming you are dumb enough to pay ATT and verizon rates. with an unlocked phone you can go anywhere.
Will there still be a way to buy these phones unlocked?
So the phones are exclusive to AT&T and they won't be carrying any colors in stores except the red? Apparently Nokia has no interest in suceeding in the US. This is definitely not how the Samsung Galaxy S made it in America. Shame on Nokia, they really blew it big time.
Woahh, did I miss something here?! ONLY RED!? It seems to me like yellow is the color they are trying to push! ::goes back to check other articles to confirm::
But in any case, yeah... Nokia is screwing themselves over by doing this. It's a shame too... maybe I will just hold out to see what Microsoft has in the works phone-wise. The 8X is cool and all, but will become outshined in a matter of two months. I feel like the 920 had some key features that would have taken others at least a year to copy.
Of the colorized version (yellow, cyan, red) only the red will be carried in stores. The Lumia 820 will only be sold in black. The fact that the Lumia 820 is exlusive makes this even more disgusting. No words for how much I hate AT&T and Nokia right now.
F all carriers. What we need are devices sold unlocked in Microsoft Stores. This is how it works with Nokia in Europe, and this is how it should work here.
Also, a LOT of you need to get off the contract crack. I pay $42 a month for unlimited service and people look at me like I have 3 eyes. Yes I pay more up front but I pay TONS less than any contract person does in 2 years. When you aren't on contract you don't care who has what phone exclusive.
Except on AT&T and Verizon at least, not sure on TMo and Sprint, (but I won't use them so I don't care) you don't even save money for not going contract. If you buy the phone outright it simply gets you out of being locked into that phone for ~2 years, you don't get any discounts in monthly fees.
You don't have to go through a major carrier to go prepaid. Not all prepaid is like Metro PCS. There's H2O Wireless, Boost, Simple mobile, Straight Talk.. Etc. And you get decent coverage too.
With no 4G LTE support however.
Yes, no battery draining BFD BS LTE. Thank god!
The most awesome thing about not having LTE is when it hits my area, all the contract losers with LTE phones are going to connect to that, and thereby uncongesting the HSDPA+. I've already witnessed this in an area that went LTE, HSDPA+ speeds were blazing!
4g yes, 4g lte no. I use H2O Wireless and my internet is decent enough that I feel no need to tie myself to a carrier.
Amen to that. I'll never get stuck with a carrier again if I can help it.
In a way, I guess it makes sense why HTC 8X is considered (or seemingly so) The Windows flagship phone. Because it will be offered on all three (sorry Sprint customers) carriers.
Good point. Marketing wise, I can see why Microsoft did that. And it's not like the 8X is a bad phone. One thing people overlook is that the 8X has arguably the highest pixel density of any smartphone.
A few pixels difference either way doesn't mean anything. The 920 is a far superior device in my eyes in many ways (Camera, screen tech, wireless charging, Nokia exclusive apps, oh and 32GB storage) and frankly I greatly prefer the design and screen ratio (768x1280). We'll see if a variant shows up on Verizon, but the 8X is not on my radar at all right now honestly. I'll either wait longer on my Trophy or give some thought to switching if I really feel that is my only option.
I'm not disagreeing one bit. I'm on AT&T and will be getting my Cyan 920.
All I'm saying is that if all your carrier is offering is the 8X, then people shouldn't feel bad as it is a great phone in it's own right.
"In a way, I guess it makes sense why HTC 8X is considered (or seemingly so) The Windows flagship phone. Because it will be offered on all three (sorry Sprint customers) carriers."
Excellent point. And it also explains why MS is making their own Windows Phone. Nokia needs cash and is selling marketshare to get it through this exclusivity with AT&T. MS wants marketshare which they are losing with this exclusivity pact, so MS is building a high end MS WP8 device to set out some standards for the other OEMs a la the MS Windows 8 Surface tablets. I bet the MS phones are offered by ALL the carriers.
so much for nokia.
I hope the 8X or Ativ are decent phones. I was getting excited to get one when I switched to Verizon from Sprint in a few months. I live int he boonies and Verizon is the only decent carrier. That and AT&T can perform perverted acts in dirty places as far as I care. I hope I never have to give them my business.
Is this really such an issue? Don't you guys have retailers that'll sell unlocked phones? Or you can buy them online. I have so many options I almost forget that carriers are even involved
Verizon and Sprint are not GSM, they are CDMA. Incompatible technologies. Nokia also doesn't sell unlocked versions of their phones in the US - you have to buy from a retailer online that imports them - and that means you'll probably lose any warranty/return period. Getting AT&T to unlock a Windows Phone is impossible, I think, and even if you did have an unlocked one - the phone will only have EDGE speeds on the only other major GSM carrier - T-Mobile. Sure, they're moving a portion of their high speed network over to an AT&T compatible band, but that probably won't work for everywhere for quite a while.
You can get GSM phones worldwide with multiple frequencies... CDMA only? Wow :P
It seems so weird that you guys seem stuck in the dark-ages as far as carriers go. In Australia I can import from almost all countries. The only special frequency is Telstra NextG, which is supposed to be faster than 3G (it's not LTE/4G as that was rolled out last year) and better for rural customers. But you can still use normal 3G with them if your phone doesn't support it.
It seems like the US carriers have a strangle-hold on the market over there
Give me $600-800 and I'll go buy mine from one of those retailers.
Would it really take that long to earn that money? If I cut back on spending I could easily do it in 2-4 weeks, and that's with a mortgage to pay. You'll save heaps on monthly non-contract carrier fees too.
You don't live in the US, do you?
Nup... Even "exclusive" phones are sold unlocked at multiple retailers. Unlocking is usually free or like $20, so it doesn't matter. My HD7 exclusive to Telstra (in Oz) wasn't locked to begin with. I can usually import from Hong Kong, Canada, or even Europe for better prices, although sometimes they don't support all the frequencies like NextG
Well, that pretty much kills the 920 for me. I have no interest in going through the hassle of dropping one line from Verizon so that I can move to AT&T for one phone model. I was already leaning to the 8X but I wanted to hold the actual products in hand before I made my decision. Now, I won't even bother getting ahold on a 920... the debate is over, Nokia lost without even putting up a fight.... deja vu hehhehheh.... Now I'll give Samsung a chance with the Ativ, but I'm unlikey to get pulled away from the 8X. Thanks for making things easier for me, Nokia!
While this is disappointing for non AT&T customers, remember that Nokia is actually in a pretty decent position by virtue of their deal with China Mobile.
China Mobile is China's (and the World's) biggest carrier with over 600 million subscribers. If they manage to penetrate even a low 5 to 10 percent, that would be 30 to 60 million Lumias sold on that carrier alone. Their worldwide market share can only go up, regardless of some other carriers.
With tmo buying up metro I think we may be getting some good phone. Obviously not the 920 but maybe its little brother or something from the HTC family? Kind of sucks because having used the radar and 710 I was so ready to buy my next beautiful Nokia hardware.
T-Mobile is definitely getting the HTC 8X: http://www.windowscentral.com/e?link=http%3A%2F%2Ft-mobile.7eer.net%2Fc%...
Still hoping we'll also get the Lumia 820, though...
I don't want another HD7 with a better screen.
All the whining really is becoming hilarious, now its down to watching the stock price. You moaners do know its just a phone, right? Nokia may live or die, its on them but going on like you lost your first born is ridiculous. Just get whats on your carrier, its all the same OS in the end, isnt it?
I agree just sucks if you were hoping for that phone. As long as the phone does the job I don't mind what the hardware is.
Troll harder.
If I was trolling I would have posted "in your face Verizon suckers" but clearly I am suggesting people just chill and go with what they can get and let Nokia's fate be on them.
Dont worry, next time I'll make my trolling clearer..../s
*just get the phone you want, who cares about the carrier?
Oh well. I would have loved to have gotten the Lumia 920 but since it isn't coming to T-Mobile I'll be getting the 8X instead. That's fine. My HD7 has been treating me well these last two years. I suspect the 8X will treat me even better. smdh @ Nokia.
If you step in at&t´s shoes, you may also want that exclusiveness, because you spent a bunch of money in promoting WP phones.
It is hard for Nokia to be in this position. Of course Nokia would want to sell more phones, but contracts are always sealed deals. How could Nokia betray at&t, it was at&t who gave Nokia hand when Nokia needed it? You won´t betray your partner just like that, right?
This is simply not true. T-Mobile has been the biggest supporter of Nokia for years. Long before Windows Phone came about. And T-Mobile has supported and sold quite a few Windows devices over the years as well. Both Windows Mobile and Windows Phone. So don't give me that bull crap.
I know T-Mobile also supported Nokia (the Lumia 710 and so on), I really hope T-Mobile gets Lumia 920 too (actually I also hope Verizon and Sprint would get the Lumia 920), but what can we do and what can Nokia do, if at&t wanted that exclusiveness. Nokia would really not mind to sell more phones and make more money, right? (When you think about the debut of Lumias, it really was at&t who spent most effort and money in promoting them. I still can remember how at&t´s CEO was on TV and press to promote Lumia 900. at&t put all the posters in their stores for Lumia 900 to be their hero phone. at&t put up TV-ads and so on. It really was a big effort.)
My thoughts exactly. T-Mobile has always been so Nokia friendly, so it's shocking if no WP8 Lumia doesn't get there. I just don't understand this. I also think it would be dumb if the 820 comes to T-Mobile after it gets to AT&T. Many customers will just end up getting the HTC 8X instead.
Nokia is not WP. They don't owe AT&T anything. They should be trying to get on as many carriers in the world they can to reach as many customers as they can. Only the carrier benefits from this kind of deal in the long run. We'll see if this is a true exclusivity deal or if it's just fancy wording for variants that may still show up on other carriers.
Hello HTC! Goodbye Nokia! Don't you love it when a floundering company makes terrible decisions?
Verizon is like the guy who dissed the girl who was new in high school and now that she is cool is trying to get a second chance at her even though he had no with her in the beginning.
Nokia droped $.04 at 10:30am. I'm assuming that was right around the time the news broke. It nearly recovered but that droped back down $.03 from opening value. Considering the stock is trading under $3 that's a good 1% or so. Be worth watching the stock during the day to see how low it goes or if it goes unchanged.
I agree with all the others. This will not help push up the WP marketshare and certainly wont help Nokia get on better footing in the US. I am delighted it has been announced and will be on AT&T for me but not hitting all carriers is a huge mistake. HTC will blow away Nokia in sales numbers for the simple fact it is on Verizon. That being said come to papa my new little Cyan 920.
Is it possible the 922 will head to Verizon. I was on the Nokia website and it states that the 820 is exclusive. Makes me wonder if the 822 will head to Verizon at launch.
Nokia US and Windows Phone posted announcements about the AT&T Lumia 920 on facebook, and the vast majority of comments have been complaints about exclusivity. Nokia US even had to comment about how they were only announcing the AT&T L920 for now and had no information to announce for Nokia phones on other carriers at this time. This "exclusive" deal has already tarnished the device in the eyes of the public, as can be seen by the immediate backlash. That being said if for whatever reason it showed up on Verizon, tarnished or not I'd grab it and run.
Everyone here is slamming Nokia. What about your carrier? They are to blame. You are foolish if you believe Nokia doesn't want to make money. Sell more = make more = more money. Verizon is not jumping on the Nokia bandwagon because they don't want to, or they are negotiating terms which are not as beneficial as an ATT exclusivity contract. It is as simple as that. Verizon has never been a leader in cutting edge devices. They are not cool or trend setting. That's facts.
I wasn't blaming Nokia. I was simply stating that this has caused a pretty negative response to a device that was recently celebrated. I just think this is bad for Nokia's comeback, which I want to see very badly. I know Verizon blows when it comes to device choice and has been offered but turned down great WP7 offerings. So I know they deserve some blame.
Sent from my HTC Trophy with a pretty lame camera but an awesome OS.
We really don't know that to be honest. We really don't know who is making the calls on this decision. I would tend to agree that the carrier (in the US at least) is most likely the one to put most the blame on, but if Nokia is working with AT&T and cutting deals, they could have a big hand in it too. That being said, we still don't know if this is all just a knee-jerk reaction, because variants could be annouced for the other carriers at any time and all would return the way it was before this morning. We shall see. The clock is running now.
Uh....I think Verizon is the most responsible for android the way we know it to be today. It was their original Droid that started it all. The G1 on t-mobile might have been the first android phone but it was the verizon droid that launched the empire. So your assertion that verizon is not trend setting is wrong.
verizon also took a bath with the microsoft kin. Remember that fiasco? Maybe theres a reason why verizon is not eager to jump in bed with microsoft again.
I understand why at&t gets the exclusiveness. It was at&t who
put effort to WP phones and spent money in promoting them, while Verizon promoted much more android phones. Therefore, it is very fair that at&t deserves to sell the flagship WP phone Lumia 920 first. at&t and Verizon are also business rivals, of course at&t hopes to have more people become its customers, it is just natural. If it is not too big a problem to change a carrier, why not switch? Nothing is too serious on this earth and life is too short, right? Some people even switched both OS and carrier.
Wow, both the 920 and 820 are listed as exclusive to AT&T in the USA on Nokia's site. Even if there are 822 and 922 models coming, I think it's clear that they won't be available for some undisclosed period of time.
This seems like such a poor decision given all of the excitement behind WP8 and for the Lumia line especially.
I would encounrage all Verizon and T-Mobile USA customers to send an e-mail to Nokia expressing disappointment and encouraging them to reveal more details related to the timeframe of the exclusivity and/or the release of similar models on other networks.
Oh well, here's to hoping HTC releases a 32 GB version of the 8X or I may just stick with my Lumia 710 for a while.
Agreed :-)
I'm with you. I have been very vocal to Verizon in the past for gluing the Trophy to me(not that it is that bad) but I will not stand by them any longer if they don't support a variant of the 920. Given that the 920 AND the 820 are listed on the internet as AT&T exclusives even though decent evidence has come forth stating that a 820 variant may come to Verizon, I believe that information leads credence to Big Red picking up a 920 variant as well.
I hope it is only for a month, they need to have versions for Tmo and VZW stat, as in before Black Friday for the Xmas rush. I am on AT&T and happy that my phone of choice is on my carrier but agree with most that Nokia will not penetrate the US Market in this fashion.
Well I ain't gonna lie I'm glad im on AT&T
Any of you guys know whether the 820 will go to T Mobile or is it just the 8X only?
It very likely is. T-Mobile has had a good experience with Nokia.
If the 820 is exclusive to AT&T then Nokia should stop pretending like they are serious about the US market at all. Whoever is making the business deals for Nokia is doing a terrible job. Samsung only got it's foot in the door in the USA by bringing the Galaxy S and Galaxy S II to every carrier. Nokia will never even get a shot in America if they keep signing away their phones to AT&T. Even the iPhone couldn't compete by being exclusive to AT&T and the Lumia is definitely not of iPhone level of popularity in the US.
920 and 820 Exclusive to ATT this is BS!!!
No, just the 920. We said nothing of the 820 which is not exclusive.
But it says on Nokia's website that the 820 is exclusive to AT&T... Or am I missing something???
Yeah something is going on here. I find it REALLY hard to believe that AT&T will be the sole supplier of Nokia WP devices in the US for the WP8 launch. Some up front cash or not, it cannot be a better deal than getting your devices on more carriers at such a critical time (WP8, Holiday season). I think the "exclusives" may be variants like suggested by Nokia some time ago. Let's hope Verizon and TMo announce some variations like 922/822, etc.
What the hell is wrong with, Nokia not putting the 920 on Verizon and T Mobile? Sucks!!!! This phone is going to have relatively low sales numbers because of this. Wow!!!!
I agree. This is essentially career suicide on Nokia's part.
Doesn't surprise me. Hope tmo gets the ativ then.
Like many others, I'm not switching carriers to chase a phone model, so I don't see how this decision to limit access to devices - assuming it does in fact end up being a true exclusive - could possibly be considered in the best interest of the platform at this absolutely vital point in time for Windows Phone.
If you like to really use data, go with ATT. Without LTE, Verizon is garbage. Their 3G coverage is slow. Similar to ATT's 2G. I have devices on both networks, and the difference is huge.
Well, looks like I'm going to AT&T.
That's ok the htc 8x & 8s is coming
So you want to bring your company back from the brink of death so your answer is to limit your brand new phone to one carrier? WTH did you they even have the huge press conference to introduce the world to a phone that only a portion would be able to get?
Anyway I have been tired of waiting for this bad news so now I can shop elsewhere. I only wish HTC had a true flagship device, which makes me lean more towards the ATIV, unfortunately... Samsung had no imagination with this device, but I would rather have a higher end phone...
Move along... nothing more to see here...
As the Samsung is based off the S3, the camera is crappy...
"I only wish HTC had a true flagship device"...
Earlier, there was a rumored higher end HTC phone, code named Zenith (the 8X was codenamed the Accord and was considered the midrange device). It was being discussed on WPCentral as recently as a few weeks ago (See http://www.wpcentral.com/htc-windows-phone-8-specs-leaked-three-new-phones for reputed specs, and a recently dismissed fake rendering from a couple of weeks back at http://www.wpcentral.com/htc-windows-phone-8-specs-leaked-three-new-phones). This phone may not exist or, as they just announced the quad-core Qualcomm chips, it may just have been delayed. Slim chance but still a chance.
Yeah I know about the Zenith device, but at this point it probably will not be here until 2013 earliest.. I think they had 3 devices, but at the last minute decided to pull it back and tweak some of the features since Nokia came out with the 920 which probably would have been better spec wise.
Well I am happy! Just take my money please att
Does changing the name of the series still make it exclusive? Like maybe VZW is getting the 922 or is that just wishful thinking?
It could happen. There's evidence for a Lumia 822, after all.
Problem is, there's *zero* evidence so for for a Lumia 922 for Verizon.
So was the supposed Verizon roadmap leak that phonearena ran just a bunch of crap? They said that the roadmap showed the 920 coming to Verizon.
820= AT&T
920 =AT&T
822= Verizon
922= Verizon
My $.02 and I hope I'm right.
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