Microsoft will officially add support for the Lumia Icon from Verizon Wireless to its Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview program. The support will come in a future build for the smartphone.
The news was revealed by Microsoft's Windows Insider head Gabriel Aul on his Twitter account:
Good news for Lumia Icon owners: Icon will be supported for Windows 10 Mobile Preview builds from the Dev Branch in the near future. Yay!
— Gabriel Aul (@GabeAul) May 5, 2016
The Lumia Icon is virtually identical to the Lumia 930 which does support the Windows 10 Mobile update. We recently decided to try to update the Icon to Windows 10 Mobile, via the Windows Insider app from the Store on the Release Preview channel. We found that it did indeed work.
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Verizon's Lumia Icon will be added to Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview program
Nice, if you want to play, personally I think we should be seeing the RTM, like the 930 has. Mary Jo moved to Android because of this factor, and I am swapping between Android and WP now on my ICON. It's really nice to have Tap to Pay...sigh
I can upgrade our lumia from window 8 to 10.but it is bit slow so how to downgrade window 10 to 8??
No. But you have to use wdrt. It flashes back the 8.1 image. So you lose everything in the process
Microsoft has to re-release Lumia icon with glance and better battery life as a midrange device
Yes. Same device approved by Verizon, but with W10, improved battery and add double tap to wake and glance. Sell through the MS Store to minimize Verizon involvement. I would buy it outright if the price was midrange.
Dan, perhaps you know. When Gabe talks about allowing the Icon to be on the "Dev Branch" in the near future, is he talking about allowing the Icon to get the new Redstone builds? The Icon has been able to get W10 for quite a while; I've personally been using it for many months on my Icon (and loving it). Going on Release Preview allows you to get the most recent build on the Threshold 10586 branch. The Icon was left behind when mobile jumped to Redstone. I'm really hoping his tweet suggests that the Icon is making THAT jump. There's some cool stuff happening with Redstone that I'd like to be part of.
I'll take any insight or inside info you have. Thanks!
That's what it means.
Ativ se, a forgotten phone
Yay!!!!!!
Please pardon this noob question. I, too, am experiencing bad battery drain on a Lumia 1520. Looks like I'm on 10.0.14295.1000, AT&T. I might benefit from the suggestions here to do a hard reset, but I can't find the instructions to do so. Could someone give me the steps for the hard reset? Do I lose everything - downloaded apps, all data - that isn't stored on the SD card? Thanks and sorry for butting into this thread.
Can't rightly say about the 1520 but on my 928 it's:
hold down the power putton, then the volume down until the phone powers off and then vibrates
Woo hooooo!!!!!
Updated my Icon yesterday, borked my Band connectivity.....had to change default phone language to fix it.
I have been on WP10 for two months on the release preview and it rings pretty smooth. What is the difference now? Firmware updated?
I posted this on the other article, but I'm posting here, too. Hoping that with official support, MS will address these isues.
I have been running the stable preview Insider build for several months. There are a variety of issues.
First, the phone frequently won't connect to known wifi without a reboot (sometimes several). When searching for wifi, it gets incredibly hot. The problem is that I am not in the habit of checking to see if it connected to my home or work wifi when I go home or to the office. You really shouldn't have to do that. My first indicator it is not connecting is that it suddenly gets very hot in my pocket. By that time, the battery is way down.
Second, when you click to open a search result with Cortana, the app often just closes. You lose your search and have to start from scratch.
Third, voice over bluetooth has not worked since I updated to 10. This kills my verbal driving directions when I'm in the car. That's not so bad, but it also kills them when I'm on my motorcycle, which can be more of a pain. And, of course, that means no voice texts in the car or over the bluetooth speaker I often use at home. It will give me the notification verbally over BT, but won't read the text. It gets lost in some of cycle with Cortana spinning in "searching" mode.
Fourth, the back button does not function within Edge. You cannot go back a page. Pressing the back button simply closes Edge.
Fifth, live tiles are mostly a thing of the past.
Sixth, every update kills any group I have pinned to my Start screen. It's not a huge deal, but it's an annoyance to have to set those up again each and every time. I keep a number of family, church, and work groups pinned.
Seventh, every now and then, the screen simply will not respond to touch. The only option is a forced reboot.
For these reasons, I do NOT recommend using 10 on the Icon at this time. In fact, I'm constantly flirting with going back to 8.1 or even just switching out to Android. While there was some initial fascination with 10 on the Icon, I simply cannot recommend it. I never had any of these issues with 8.1, and my phone is in excellent condition. My son has been much happier keeping 8.1 on his Icon than I have been with 10 on mine.
@Mikeheel: None of these issues are present on my L930 W10 release version device. Whilst your router could be a factor, I suspect there are other issues with your device. Try a factory reset, or a reflash from the recovery tool. If that fails, return to MS for service as you should not see these issues under W10.
Thanks, @AndyCalling. Not router. Have tried a variety of fixes and posted in help forums and bug report. Only thing that ever helps is updates sometimes improve or fix an issue. Best friend has most of the same issues (he doesn't use text by BT, so I'm not sure about that one). He loved his Icon prior to 10. Now, he hates it and wants to get an iPhone. I think it may be related to the fact Icon was not supported even in the preview edition but dunno.
I have experienced the wifi issue, the cortana search close issue (happens ALOT), and the voice over bluetooth issue (ALWAYS). I've once or twice had the not respond issue. Never have I had an issue with groups. Back button usually works in Edge.
I supported the ecosystem and my local Staples buy buying a $500 Surface RT. Staples just closed in my small town.
O M G
I'm inclined to agree with you. I didn't like all that I gave up going to Windows 10. Even though it's been out for a while, Windows mobile 10 is not as stable or efficient as 8.1. Why should we give things up to 'upgrade'?
because of progress
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I just picked up a 650 and taking my business to at&t; vzw has made it clear they could care less about customers with a WP...almost 20yrs a loyal customer and they said "see ya"...wanted me to move to a Droid phone...they are losing 10 lines but they don't seem to care...which made it easier to drop them...taking my business dsl service elsewhere too...
Awesome! I just installed Insider 10 on my Icon yesterday because of Dan's earlier article and I must say it works great! But it's good to know we can soon get the Redstone updates. Will be loving my Icon until the Surface phone release...
Damn it.
Installed preview on my lumia525 and lumia 820. Its running perfectly. The most important thing is to do a hard reset after the upgrade.
Also how strange my 928 runs just fine, Dan maybe do your magic dance .
Lucky you. Mine is slow even after a factory reset.
Well I had a lost of discomfort on the fast ring with my lumia 930, and thought app's were slow as molasses.
Also could not go from 328 to 332, read that a reset to wp8.1 and then re-upgrade could fix so I did. But once I saw how fast everything works on wp8.1 I am doubting very much whether I should enter the fast ring again.
Wp8.1 starts people hub, facebook, and almost every other app very fast. I once again enjoy facebook, twitter and linked in in the people hub and have the nice square looking people hub images.
Wow this thing is fast, stable and reliable. I sure hope the crap that is w10 mobile at the moment is caused by al the telemetry bloat because at the moment w10 feels a step backward. Not sure is I am going to miss some stuff in w10, such as outlook swipe left to delete and the much extended emoji
You were in the fast ring. Why in the world did you expect it to be stable? I just put my 1520 on the release/production ring and W10 is wonderful. No crashes and my battery life has pretty much stayed the same.
Thats good guess ill have to rollback to get the update to take since I factory reset months ago
Daniel Rubino, I'm curious, how much of your switching to your Icon as a daily driver is the due to the Verizon network vs the Icon running Windows 10 better than all the other phones you have access to?
+950 XL DS NAM CV Windows 10 Mobile
How can I get that screensaver?
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on My surface phone
SO what all that fuss about? MSFT finally corrected their error? It was obvious from the beginning that Icon MUST get w10! Since hardware is identical to 930, just Verizon branded version. Sad it takes MSFT so long to figure it out...
Don't you think Verizon had anything to do with it? Since they have test and approve maybe your aim is off.
Nah, people have a weird loyalty to carriers.
Anyone know if Verizon app Backup Assistance Plus work for Windows mobile 10?
Yay! Indeed it did worked!
This is great news!! Daniel pull his phone out of mothballs and Microsoft says it will upgrade the Icon. I wonder if he can bring back Disco!
With this news, does any one else think Verizon rejected official Windows 10 update for Icon and hence Microsoft opened up alternate route?
92F-ing8!
Good! Now add the 920 to the official upgrade list. I never had an issue running W10 on it while they allowed it on preview.
Yeah, my 920 works 99.9 percent great. The 0.1 percent experience is exclusively related to the SMS/Skype Messenger integration. It blacks out the camera until it is rebooted and preferably one should log out from Skype Video. And yes, I have reported it to Microsoft. The same happens to my 1020.
The 1020 has got minor issues with screen tearing in web browser scrolling on some sites, though. The 920 does not have that with the LCD IPS screen it uses. So, I think it is the 1020 AMOLED screen getting hickups with either a graphics driver or Microsoft Edge issues in rendering certain things. I have noticed tearing on 1020 happening on responsive-designed websites, including the Windows Store app. However, Build 10586.242 reduced the tearing quite a bit, so here's hoping Microsoft continues to fix issues with Edge in the upcoming 10586 branch builds.
I thought the 920 was locked out of the insider program because it isn't a device that will get the final builds.
I am getting the insider preview with the 920 on the release ring.
Hmm, I'll have to try it out on mine again.
We need another option for WP on Verizon....i winder if the high profile departure of Mary Joe Foley due to not updating the ICON had anything to do with it. I've definitely been looking at possible unlocked android options because moving to AT&T would be more hassle than it's worth.
There is the 735. My wife has the icon. I got the 735 when they orphaned the 928. Works well so far but I am still on the release insider.
I wish that the Verizon 735 worked on T-Mobile, I would be glad to give it a go lol.
The Verizon lumia 735 is an unlocked world phone and works with T-Mobile.
A little late for sure, after reading Daniel's article I updated mine to Winmo 10 & after a couple of issues with texting and updating apps it's working pretty well.
Well. I've already moved on to a 950 XL, but I guarantee I'll be checking up on my Icon as it gets more updates. Great little device, enjoyed using it, but I'm really digging the all-day battery life and wicked fast charging on my 950 XL.
Wow great news, for me at least :) Thank you! Does this mean one particular branch?, slow fast or prod, or any of them?
HTC One m8 is running great for me on the latest preview builds. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Though late for some....like me.
Why don't MS rebuild, rebadge and re release the Icon/930 as a great quality but very low cost MS W10 phone?
Costs involved would surely be very low, great budget priced W10 phone!
Get a little value from that $6 billion Nokia purchase. US may not appreciate them but the rest of the planet would eat them up.
Because they didn't build the Lumia 930/Icon(Nokia did), the parts for it are likely all out of production and no parts manufacturer (like Qualcomm) or partner OEM is going to like to hear that MS is reviving dead devices to compete with their current lineup and parts. It's an unprecedented and unnecessary move. There were few Lumia 930/Icon buyers when it first released. You think that the price was the only thing holding that device back? Buy a modern Windows 10 device or buy a used/refurbed one and get on with your life.
MS aren't producing much in the range now at all with very little support for WP10, so, considering they would presumably hold the rights for the phone and could produce this for 3/5ths of fk all, a cheap but high build quality WP 10 phone is IMO a good idea, especially considering MS are now throwing their support behind the phone, why not?
Price is likely a big part of the stalled WP position.
Also no doubt it could be updated with more modern specs and still be a cheap high quality solution, I prefer my 2013 925 to any current Apple or Android iteration, so you go buy an android and get on with your life .
I'm certain all the Lumia Icon owners will take back everything bad they said about Satya and MS.
Sure! Cause, you know, that's how people act on the internet =P
Now if my HTC m8 would get restone and windows 10 update hmmm
Very happy to hear this. I may just hold onto my Icon and PRAY VZW will release a W10M phone in the near future.
Jason Using Verizon's ******* Child Lumia Icon
Switched from Icon to 950xl the other day. But the Icon was a great phone for 2 years. My gripes were with Verizon.
Same here. Haven't looked back. The usb port on my icon is broken and doesnt register anyway. eye on the hp x3 now...
Had the same issue with my USB port on my icon not long ago, but either the last update or the one before seemed to shake it loose and it works as expected again. Might have just been an issue with the build you were on.
HTC one m8 running on 10586.242 is perfect... Still hoping....
@markryb:
does the dot view case work? i tried earlier builds and wasn't working.
No dot view...I really don't use any of the HTC apps... Double tap to wake and sleep works perfectly though
All devices other than 512.. Works super smooth .. With small small bugs.. Still ignored.. Specially 1320
that's great for icon users but us with older phones like the 920/925/928 and 1020 are only on non supported windows 10 mobile release preview builds.
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Windows 10 mobile runs awful on those phones, sorry. It's the HTC one and Samsung ativ that should get w10m
I agree. While my 1520 640 run like champ 925 struggles a lot ! That's the fact. But MSFT can give the users an option ...bug free 8.1 or Windows 10 with few hick ups !
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That be cause out hardware revision. It a leak video on YouTube 10586.306 running lumia 820 like a champ with upgrade revision
Huh? .306 is out in the wild?
leaked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMQ13guciUs 10586.312 is be tested as the next to be pushed out
well I can contest the 925 doesn't run awful on windows 10 mobile, as for the HTC one probably as for the ativ nah its just as old as the 1020
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Just updated a 925...it's a new world! Just the battery should be better but the phone looks like a new one..trust me!
I dont agree, using L925 and it is far from smooth experience. Looking for an upgrade but no mid range phone available so I decided to wait for Surface phone.
hard reset ??? , smooth experience on 10586.xxx with lumia 925 !
I have a 925 but chickened out installing 10. Damn.......think I'll buy a 930 and have a play, awesome phone and can still buy one new very cheaply.
IMO, not worth to buy L930, its relatively already an old phone. And this is how people end up complaining why new OS isnt running well or not running at all. Because you buy an already old phone and then keep him for 3 more years.
The L950 is not really an upgrade on the L930 though. It is a smidge faster, but with a far worse display. The build quality and materials used for the L930 is certainly better than the L950 and it does not suffer from the restricted colour options of the black and white only L950. It does not have things like 5.1 sound recording, and is only compatible with one OS (W10) unlike the L930 which is able to run either. What's more, the L930 runs W10 at full speed with no more bugs than the L950 has (so a fair few, but no more). I've not even had my L930 for 2 years yet. Remember, it has only just stopped being the flagship and many people bought it so they didn't have to go with the L950 as that phone is often not seen as so attractive. Hence the awful sales figures for it.
Runs fine on my 928
I used to have the 928 until about a month ago when I accidentally drowned it in the pacific ocean. I had thought the performance was generally fine on it ... until I upgraded to an icon. The difference was rather astounding. Still miss my double tap to turn on, but I got over the lack of glance now that I have a Band 2.
Good to know about the Band 2
My 928 runs like crap compaired to my 640. So slow, even after a reset. If we stick with VZW I will find an ICON. When we get time to go pick up an iPhone for the wife, we might give AT&T a try.
Seriously believe this sh*t? On lumia 535 running better than on a 925? Believe me I saw it and this is not true....
It's not just about overall performance. Individual bugs and specific scenarios where performance was not suitable
I agree though id be fine with 8.1.2 on my ativ s
Yes and no? Sure, W10M isn't as snappy as WP8.1 on my L820, but it's fine really. Better than 3 year old updates on iPhones.
My old 920 runs the most current W10M it can get sort of ok, I suppose. Freezes every now and then.
But my 930 has always ran it incredibly smooth. Obviously it's on a much newer build than my 920 more though.
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That should make about 8 people happy, actually 7, Mary Jo has switched to android now...
Yeah... She gone.. She be gone.
If anyone downvotes your comment you ask them can they name more than 8 people they know with a Icon.. Lol. I guarantee they can't.
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ROJO > ARLINGTON, TX > LUMIA 1520 ≥ 950... WAITING FOR 6.2" SURFACE PHONE
You don't want the truth.. You can't handle the truth. Hahahaha!
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ROJO > ARLINGTON, TX > LUMIA 1520 ≥ 950... WAITING FOR 6.2" SURFACE PHONE
Dang it, I got up to 5 LOL. (I didn't downvote you... Was just curious if I could name 8 people I know with an Icon)
Why does someone have to name 8 people THEY know? Your logic is flawed. Are u under the assumption everyone knows everyone in the world?
Theory of six grades of separation (?)
Missed it by that much.
Well, if you still try to find some logic in his posts.... :p
Could anyone name 8 people they know that have a Sammy 7? I couldn't.
Guess you don't know alot of people lol. Samsung's are everywhere. Poison!!!!
The question was can you name 8 people who own one. Might be lots out there but I can't name 8, can you?
iPhones I could, easy.
It doesn't make a difference. The initial comment about 8 people was in reference to "all 8 users"... If you guys can't even utilise logic I can't help you
Yea, but if you ask them to name 8 or more people with a L930 it would be an easy task. Remember, the Icon is just another name for the L930 with US frequencies, it is not a different phone.
Yes it is a different phone, hence the model numbers 929 for the Icon in the U.S. and the 930 for the international version. Otherwise is would be a 929 US version and a 929 International version or a 930 US version and a 930 International version.
I know 3 people with a 930 and I'm going to be the 4th soon enough.
Me too :)
Actually there are quite a few of us our here that love the Icon news. It is the best Windows Phone available on Verizon. My Wife and I count for two!
Ha, must have touched a nerve...
Why? It's just trolling. Really I can't name more than 8 people with any model(not series) phone except for the Lumia 950.
Yeah, touch a nerve of reacting to stupid troll.
Your turn, HTC.
Yes please
I like HTC, they are cool dudes and their Android phones are awesome. But leaving the M8 on WP8.1.1? Not cool.
Technically W10M TH2, through Insider.
oh look, some common sense from Microsoft, now if they could unban the rest of phones too that would be great
No, that wouldn't be great.. You're Asking for a bunch of phones to have a bunch of problems that MS obviously decided they don't, and will not, deal with.....
At some point new hardware is necessary,, and that's even more true with lower end devices.
This is sad but true!
The point of the insider program is to allow willing people to test prerelease software on a secondary device. It doesn't work perfectly on any device. But that's no reason to restrict it to the latest devices. Windows 10 for desktop is available on PCs that are years older than any phone on 8.1. Microsoft claimed earlier that W10M wouldn't be available for Icon because it didn't quite perform well enough (among other reasons). However, as I have attested to multiple times, and as Daniel has experienced, it actually runs pretty well. I appreciate the warning for other devices but ultimately it should be up to the consumer to install W10M if they want to. I refuse to use 8.1 because 10 is miles ahead in potential thanks to UWP.
Sent from my Toaster Oven (Lumia Icon)
Well, the insider program is not for our happiness but for them to receive feedback both through automatic telemetry and users feedback. You don't want neither of those from devices that you already know are not up to the task.
Well when windows on pc supports 1ghz and 1 gb ram and its the same for phones oyu will notice that a lot of phones dont have the ram, plus i can definitely say pc hardware and phone hardware are not the same thing because it runs well on any pc it doesnt mean it will on any phone the difference here is big!!
PC hardware =/= phone hardware
They're both computers capable of running an operating system. Just because people buy a new iphone every year doesn't mean that phone hardware in general is not suited to software upgrades. C'mon, windows 10 runs considerably well on a lot of older phones, and the ones it doesn't run well on are phones that were low-end even back then. Running any modern operating system on 512 GB and budget processing power is not going to be fun either way.
Except whatever happened to their idea of pay to update they envisioned before wp7 hit the street
It also makes development easier and faster supporting less hardware.
It's about time!
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So the question is and this question is for you Daniel Rubino. I also have been enjoying the stableness and smoothness of my Icon on 10586.242 with the preview release ring on. If this does happen, do I jump on the Fast ring and take any possible bugs like a man??? *Note* This is my only phone, I have a spare HTC 8X but that's all. My Icon is my daily driver.
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I've been using Redstone on 950 and XL with surprising stability...I'd say by next build it should be solid for other phones, but there is always room for variation. Hard to say.
I'm finding Hello locks up and causes restarts on the 950 with Redstone. Outside of that, very decent.
Did they fix that cell data issue? That and the (now fixed) Groove issues are keeping me on the Slow track on my L950.
My 950 is silky smooth, it crashes once every few days, reboots itself, and back to business like 30 seconds later. Otherwise, latest fast build is awesome. I also have an old Icon that has been basically demoted to my kids play device. I would love to update it, but sadly their favorite game - Subway Surfers is not available on W10 Mobile for some god forsaken reason. I used to run W10 on my icon back before the 950 came out, it was a hot mess, good to hear its stabile these days.
rs1 has been running great on my 950XL, 1520 and 650. will be nice to have on the Icon.
If you don't mind about an occasional restart here and there, mainly when using legacy 8.0 apps, install it contains a lot of improvements. Mine restarts like once a day, acceptable for a fast ring build.
Arnold - I have been running the Fast Ring on my Icon and it works pretty good, but not great. The typical things missing in the builds applies to the Icon as well. Text messages are no longer identified verbally and you cannot respond handsfree. The groove music issue has been fixed.
That's what's up!
Daniel Rubino's magic...
Seriously. Odd that DR just made an icon article and claimed to switch as a daily driver and boom....MS responds. Hey Dan, can you do an article on Verizon and MS playing nice? XD
lol, maybe I have a powers unbeknownst to me
Yes, you made it "worked". Hahaha
I just put this on my icon last night because of your article. I imagine that many more icon users did the same, and perhaps Verizon noticed this? Anyway, I have noticed the battery is quickly draining compared to 8.1. I turned some settings off but it only helps a little. Any tips you have found that will increase batter life?
If you didn't so it already, a hard reset should help.
Yeah, hard reset is one thing that can rule out other issues. I turn Edge off under Battery Saver from running in the background. Keep email settings sane if you have a lot of accounts. Just use Battery Saver and the power tools to see what is draining.
That happened on my 930 until I factory reset it
W10M killed the battery life on my 930 when I had it. 10 hours max. I tried everything then reverted to 8.1.
Somebody tell Mary Jo Foley since that is the main reason she claimed to go Android.
She'll be back...
yeah she is a bit Meh about her current phone.
Doesn't help with the other two on WW spend the whole show ranting for two hours each week.
I quit listening to WW because of the biased ranting against windows, in fact dropped all of laportes shows ....
Nothing biased about it. Leo is obviously not a pure windows guy and Paul and Mary just speak the truth. Sometimes it hurts.
I like Laporte, but Paul T. forced me to quit everything he's on. I like Andrew Zarian too but can't take Thurrott so I quit that too.
Read the thread below Gabes on twitter. She said she is waiting for the RTM...
He probably threw Gabe against a wall and grabbed him by the shirt and threatened his life. Just kidding. I saw Dan get flipped on Windows Central
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Next write an article about the general availability of Hololens at $599 please!
You forgot your decimal. $5.99 There, fixed it for you.
Lol because mr ribena has any influence over anything LMAO
Please don't feed his ego
Lumia 925 !!! please !!!!! (must be support until 2017 !!!!)
You want 5 years of support for a 2013 phone with underpowered 2012 hardware ... why exactly? You have W10M TH2. You want free updates? Support the ecosystem and buy a new supported phone. Lots of 930 and 950s out there.
L1020 ?
Coz they said we would get win 10, we tested it and we don't get it? Maybe you ass lucking elitists should shut the hell up.
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My friend has a Lumia 925 and it works for him, he upgraded to windows 10, try again now. It did not work for him first, now it works.
Don't forget that Daniel Rubino wrote an article about GroupMe and Slack, perhaps Microsoft will listen :P