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Xbox One's internal design may prove for more stability and a longer lifespan compared to Sony’s PS4

Comparing the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One side by side makes Microsoft’s unit look a bit… chunky. But Microsoft has its reasoning for making its next generation system the size of a large concrete brick – ventilation. While Sony has decided to go for the sleek racing car style approach, Microsoft has longevity and stability on their list.

Popular website, iFixIt, has performed a tear down of the new console and unlike Sony’s PlayStation 4, the unit features a large amount of open space. Also, how can your rip open the unit without noticing the super large 112mm fan and giant heat sink?

When Microsoft originally launched their first generation Xbox 360, the unit was plagued with issues of overheating and ultimately resulting in the undesirable red ring of death. Microsoft’s next generation of the Xbox 360, the Slim, featured added fans and ventilation to try and avoid and undesirable meltdown.

Sony has ultimately placed their focus on designing a unit with a small footprint and might not be thinking of the longevity of the unit for its consumers. The next generation consoles are meant to last a probable five to ten years and keeping all the internal components at safe heat levels are vital. Internals that are subject to high heat are less likely to survive next to a unit that remains fairly cooled.

In fact, some of Sony’s PlayStation 4 consoles has already begun to show the “red line of death”, which are the system’s way of notifying users that it is overheating. The blinking red light is usually followed by a system shutdown to prevent further damage.

In the end, the iFixIt teardown truly shows us a war between two consoles and their focuses when designing the units. Microsoft has allowed for a large amount of ventilation and has no intention of having your unit burn out like first generation Xbox 360 units.

Do you think the larger size of the Xbox One compared to the PlayStation 4 is worth the improved stability and (most likely) a longer lifespan for the system?

Source: iFixIt

268 Comments
  • Wait for the red screen of death!
  • Red eye for em
  • Red Eyes Black Dragon ! Haha lol. Old time story ;)
  • blue eyes...white dragon yugio!!!
  • ...i have not heard that in years.
    thanks for jogging my memory :-)
  • My buddy bought yesterday 2 ps4's and they were bricked out of the box haha still laughing at him
  • If only you'd bought with your mind, things may have been different...
  • he meant his buddy... not his body.... haha but still true ;)
  • If I could buy with my mind, id be making millions right now and call myself a superhero lol or somewhere in Area 51 hahaha
  • I really don't care, since I had 3 Xbox 360 failed on me earlier and they were swapped out with no hassle. I've just awoken and is prepping myself for the MidNight Launch at my local Walmart. I don't know why fan boys are arguing, just buy the system you love and enjoy your selves.
  • Why all the XBOX fanboy articles? XBOX doesn't even make money for Microsoft. Its more like an expensive hobby for them. Aren't they openly trying the sell off the brand?
  • This really is a Microsoft fan site despite the name "Windows Phone" in the title.
    The Xbox division made $2.53 billion in revenue in Q3. I wish I had that hobby.
    No, only two shareholders have mentioned selling it off and they collectively own only 3% of the company.
  • It does make money. Just not a lot compared to some other products. And No. They have not been openly trying to sell it.
  • It does make money. Nope, MS loses money with Xbox.
  • The console, yes. As does Sony on the PS3 and PS4. But it's a pretty narrow-minded view if you don't consider the money Microsoft make off everything else Xbox; the games, apps, accessories, and knock-on sales to other Microsoft products.
  • The entire Xbox division (read everything, since the original Xbox) has made huge loses for MS so far.
  • Ah but they make enough money off patent rights from every retard who buys an android phone to not lose any more at all... and the Xbox division helps to make other areas of the company profitable.
  • Proof please.
  • http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-microsoft-losses-on-xbox... It's well known, you can find the detailed financial results at MS site.
  • Okay, so you sight an article that is over a year old. The article even says this: "The Xbox is now a solidly profitable division. However, it took time to get there." So again, I ask you about your proof. You must be the only "well known" person out there.
  • quarter profits =/= all time profits You should not stop reading on the first sentence.
  • I read the entire article. That line I quoted IS NOT the first sentence. Maybe you should learn to do more research. They say nothing about quarter profits. Any way, I'm done talking about this. You obviously don't have any real proof and just have a problem with Xbox and Microsoft. I've got a real job to do and talking to people who have no clue about the subject they are talking about is just anoying.
  • Actually, this is a widely publicized piece of information. A simple Bing search will provide you with many more articles to prove this fact. The division has recouped some of their losses, but for both Sony and Microsoft, their video game systems this past generation have been dragging them down for the most part. But it's unfair to accuse the other person of not knowing what they're talking about, especially without researching the matter yourself, and especially after proof was provided.
  • He does sound like he does not know what he is talking about. He just simply pigeon hole into the lost of Xbox, and counter the other poster with a quarter earning is not all time earning, well Xbox is not the all Microsoft either. It is called leveraging, they use the profits from other field to suck up the negative profit of the console sales, in turn it opens up a plethora of business opportunity to them. This is a living room war between the company, and the farsighted Microsoft is turning the win into their favour. The higher XB1 price point also allow them to recoup faster.
  • I'm sorry I'm not 100% sure I understand some of your phrasing, but I don't see how what you said negates what was said about the Xbox division's lifetime profitability so far. Sounds like both your statements and his statements don't conflict with each other.
  • But as the article says, the first few years they were setting up a new business and competing with established gaming consoles. It took a while for the xbox to become profitable. Microsoft has said the Xbox One won't be sold at a loss. I'm sure the Xbox One will reach profitability.
  • It was reported that MS makes 2.2 billion off of Android. Search this site, I'm sure you would find the story.
  • Without xbox gamerscore being added to wp7 i never would have bought it, nor a lumia 1020.
  • It's called investment(speaking of the current generation). it's costing them alot of money in R&D to make the new gen xbox one, which has yet to make money for them because it's launching like now. If I tell you to invent something, you're going to cost me money untill whatever you invent make it back in form of sales. The Xbox has since the 360 been Microsoft's trojan into your life, you might have a mac computer and maybe even a galaxy brand phone, but you probebly also have a xbox. And bam, like it or not, windows is in your life, now suddently, a windows 8 pc, a tablet, a phone, all their opther devices and services are more accepteble to you, you've seen this, you've used it, you've liked it. and hacing them all work with your tv isn't a bad thing either you think... and suddently the ball is rolling.
  • But back to this world the most probable thing is that you have a Android phone, a Nintendo/Sony console and a Windows PC. That reasoning makes a lot of sense for companies like Apple that win on the devices department and can build mindshare from there, but for MS it has been quite the disaster so far. That might change in the future of course, Xbox will probably make an all time net profit eventually and WP8 is growing pretty well.
  • I believe the xbox and PS sold about the same number of units. So, there is just as much chance that there is an xbox console as there is for a Nintendo/Sony.
  • And Sony sold the PS3 for a loss up until a year or so ago.
  • You're cherry-picking. Sony has lost a massive amount of money on the PS3. The last time Sony's gaming division was profitable was back in 2006 when the PS2 was still selling strongly. As of 2010 they were reporting a $4.3 billion loss. They claimed a $300 million profit in 2011. In 2012, Sony decided to merge other electronics divisions in with gaming which resulted in a $2.8 billion loss. Ironically, the gaming division was probably one of the more successful as Sony as a whole has been doing rather poorly. It seems like the gaming division is a distinct entity again and for 2013 they've reported a paltry $37 million profit. So they haven't come close to recouping losses.   Each new console generation sees a massive loss to cover research and development costs. This is why both Sony and Microsoft have gone with conventional, and very similar, PC-based hardware. This is also why they've largely avoided reinventing the wheel in most other ways, going for evolutionary improvements instead. But still, they're offering an expensive peice of hardware at a singificant loss. This is why Nintendo goes so convservative with their hardware; they can't afford such massive losses. The goal for Sony and Microsoft is two-fold. The first is to recoup losses a couple of years down the road. Sales really only ramp up once there's a stronger library available. And by that point the prices have dropped considerably on most components going into these machines. The second, potentially more important goal, is that these consoles serve as a critical marketing tool. They enhance the larger ecosphere, motivating consumers to buy other products from these companies. Other MS divisions have likely seen a profit boost specifically thanks to the Xbox. So the reality is far more complex than you seem inclined to believe.
  • When did I mention Sony again? You fanboys need to relax... Just look at the wall of text you just wrote for no reason.
  • You didn't mention Sony or Nintendo. That's the point. You're singling out Xbox. Do you think the PS3 was more profitable than the 360? Do you think the Wii U is profitable?
  • Why should I (or Microsoft for that matter) care if a line of products from other company is profitable or not? Makes no sense.
  • No YOU MAKE NO SENSE. You're saying Microsoft is losing money on the Xbox brand. Since you're playing analysis you should have reviewed the whole console market. Not just Xbox. If you did that you would've also mentioned that Xbox is the most profitable console at the moment.
  • You forget that Sony profit is tied to the strength of yen.
  • Writing words is fun, but I'll just come with facts: microsoft-xbox-360-will-last-three-more-years Xbox has become very profitable and Xbox One will make a profit from day 1.   
  • What's missing from the Devices and Services numbers is the split-out betwen XBox and other parts of the division. That $4bn total number includes Zune, Windows Phone, and Surface as well, all of which are definate losses at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if MSFT has lost $4bn on mobile alone in the last 5 years, given that it's just starting to make money on Nokia sales. Also, your statement was that MSFT LOSES money on XBox. Not that they have lost money overall, you used the present tense. While looking back the entry into the console market may be questionable if it took them 13 years to break even, going forward they're making money on the segment. Investors only care about past performance in terms of what it means for future performance. Losing money on XBox during the entire original console's production run doesn't mean anything today.
  • That was a rumor, for the next CEO, and Xbox is the only popular name MS has.
  • No, not really. There was a romour that elop would do that if he became cheif, but he and MS have said its fake. Also, xbox makes a shit tonne of cash for them. So yeah. No.
  • If something you paid 20€ for gives you 10€ back are you making a shit tonne of cash? I'm pretty sure that's not how maths work.
  • Stop thinking about just the console. Open your mind to the rest of the sales Microsoft gains along with (and long after) the console sale.
  • When I say Xbox I mean the Xbox division (consoles, accesories, marketing, Live, game licenses...).
  • Rubios, stop being a douche. (and trying to be too smart, and arguing semantics) Xbox as a whole division, is going ok. Besides the fact it doesn't really matter. MS _do_ make large profits, Sony _do_ make large losses. The console _will_ have games that look largely the same (despite raging fanboys) Both will give you a similar game, and similar multiplayer. We've yet to see if any medium or long term issues show up with reliability. We get it, you think MS don't make money on the hardware or at the very least sunk R&D costs into to get to profitability. Congratulations on being Mr Smartguy. Now drop it, you are boring everyone.  
  • There's a lot more to Xbox than just the hardware, there's games, Live, advertising, accessories, content partners ... It has been well known for years that the actual device doesn't make any money - though I'm fairly sure it is now profitable, and the One apparently breaks even on hardware from the start. The only reason companies like MS and Sony can afford to have a console on the market is because of all the other money they bring in.
  • And all those things combined (again, the Xbox division) are far from breaking even on the initial investments, trying to hide it putting huge Android royalties in there won't change the fact.
  • It broke even a few years ago.
  • I'm a healthy Microsoft Share Holder, and the Xbox Division makes money.
  • Microsoft won't sell the Xbox brand.
  • Trying to post valid information, that is not positive, on a fanboy site is kind of pointless. They just refuse to acknowledge that all time investements + all time returns = negative, and instead concentrate on current investement + current returns = positive. Who knows what will happen with 8th gen. P.S. It will be interesting to get a few third party estimates on the failurarate of PS4, as Sony said 0.4% was estimated, and that failures are within estimation, but Internet seems to disagree. Of course Internet blows everything out of proportion.
  • If I'm investing today, I'm not the one who paid for the loss. I'm the one getting the profit. So who cares?
  • Good morning, I hope the rock you've been sleeping under was comfy enough :)
  • I've also heard Sony is also trying to sell their Playstation brand.
  • I also heard that the Dreamcast 2 is coming out!
  • Where do you get this stuff?
  • Not fan boy this is a site about what Microsoft is doing. Microsoft does make money off of xbox. Personally I prefer sony even though im a huge Microsoft supporter
  • MS breaks even on XBOX sales but makes money on the games and online sales. Live Gold, etc. Not guessing... This is what they say every time they release a console. Reading is learning.
  • You also forgot to mention that Sony has actually lost more on their home console division then Microsoft..
  • Did Crocodile Dundee tell you this?
  • WP central announced a while ago that it will be covering more Microsoft news in general. They even hired staff just for this. If you can complain about the articles you are seeing, how did you miss the announcement?
  • I heard MS and Nokia are making the N-gage 2!
  • It comes bundled with Half-Life 3
  • I think the money to be made for the PS3 came from the value in bluray patents. Yes, the consoles may produce a loss for them, but a win for bluray over HDDVD brings an even greater profit than console sales.
  • +one
  • Atari for the win!
  • You really to understand the nature of Microsoft to understand why they're okay with losing money on anything. They use their profits in Windows and Office to allow them to compete in whatever space they feel they belong in. At first they kinda suck. But they improve gradually and sometimes quickly at everything or they buy their way in. If Microsoft thinks they belong in your living room, they will continuously try until they get it right. If they're in a space and doing terribly, it means nothing to them. If they wanna be in the server/database/phone market, they eventually will. And they'll actually get seriously good at it.
  • Xbox, money maker or not, has been vital in keeping Microsoft relevant during the iPhone android years of mobile explosion.  It's what has kept MS 'cool' to a younger generation for a company that was primarily focused on business and the not-so cool. That could change as WP8 and W8 gain traction. But I wonder how many early adopters of WP were happy XBox owners. 
  • Long lasting is a def win
  • wow! you actually answered the question that was posed by the author. what the heck is wrong with you?
  • I couldn't agree more.... I was just about to give up on the comments. I agree, the overkill on he cooling is worth it. Now if I could just get it in a matt finish, happy days.
  • Huh?
  • I think he is planning to carry the consol around his house so he doesn't to see his prints all over it
  • cybermoose89, dasfoto was giving you a compliment.
  • Oh thought otherwise when i saw the words what the heck is wrong with you ? Lol awesome sauce in any case then :)
  • cybermoose89, Yea, that could be confusing but I expect he really wasn't serious about that part.  Just a little lower in the comments he says "Okay, now two people have answered the author's question."   So I would guess that his concern is that these comments have largely become unmoored from the article itself and is mostly just another PS 4 vs. Xbox One debate.  
  • I don't think there's a need for a vs though it is good to see what both do im getting xbox one my brothers getting the ps4 best of both worlds everybody wins it just depends on your preference at the end of the day weather its hardcore gaming or gaming with media and entertainment etc.
  • Personally I am primarily a PC gamer.   I did not buy any type of console until late 2007 or early 2008 when I bought a Xbox 360 to play Mass Effect (when it was a Xbox only title, before it moved to PC).   I bought a PS3 a couple of years ago, but I must admit I rarely use it, whereas I do use the Xbox 360.    That saId, the PC is my main gaming platform.  
  • I do a bit of pc gaming two just happier with a xbox at the helm few friends of mine are more pc gamers then i mass effects fantastic one two and three hope to see a fourth it would be cool if they made a movie of it two.
  • Yea, I'm a big Mass Effect fan.   It was a good series, not perfect for sure, but I enjoyed it a lot.   I am looking forward to whatever is next in that universe.   I hope Bioware does a good job of it.   They can make questionable decisions and sometimes they make some pretty poor decisions. There's been talk about a Mass Effect movie for some time now.  I would like to see one if it was well done.   I saw the animated Paragon Lost, which was a massive disapointment.  
  • It's not even summer here in the US. Imagine what those PS4s are going to be like during summer, when a lot of college kids are playing for several hours a day.
  • On the other hand, its summer. People will be blasting the AC instead of the heat so it might keep it cooler and help offset it.
  • But ... many people do not have 'always on' AC ;D ...
  • My PS3 heats up the room its in even with the AC on.
  • Well at least you don't have to buy a heater ;)
  • Nice!
  • There's no proof of improved stability.
  • The possibility of improved stability is hypothesized using a knowledge of computer hardware and how it reacts in various temperatures. Essentially hotter environments shorten the lifespan of circuitry. Also note the title says "may prove more stabile" and no "does prove move stabile". :)
  • That means nothing if you don't know how the OS works. When do the fans turn on? What parts are being used? Cheaper parts tend to burn out faster than the more expensive part.  The title could have said, "Xbox One may last 250 years". Same difference. Just a statement, with no evidence to back it up.
  • The article is comparing the design decisions related to packaging and ventilation between the PS4 and the Xbox One and its potential impact on overall system reliability.That's all. Not the relative merits of the components chosen. Not the quality of games. Not anything but a comparison of the packaging of the system. Based on the context of the article and the fact that it's an opinion piece and not stating facts other than what's observable, there is nothing wrong with the title. The author even asks for the reader's opninion, of which, so far I've only seen one person offer their opinion. Personally, I think it will provide the potential for higher reliability. Okay, now two people have answered the author's question.
  • Without airflow tests, etc. it's idle speculation. I'd rather wait a while and compare the failure/return rates of both systems.
  • dasfoto, You have a pretty good argumentation style and create cogent sentences and paragraphs with a minimum of spelling errors.   You realize this is an internet forum and reasoned analysis is not exactly the raison d'être of the internet.
  • I know when the fans turn on, how the CPU is controlled, and how the OS manages everything. When reading editorials written by technology journalists - they tend to know what they are talking about. ;) *This excludes CNET's Molly Wood.
  • Called her out. Wow. Someone give molly wood some ointment for that burn.
  • Hahahahahaha!!!
  • The os has nothing to do with it. Heat kills electronic equipment. The PS4 designs crams the equipment in the smaller space. That means there is reduced airflow. Add to that that the hardware is a bit more powerful. Also, the Anandtech review shows that the PS4 uses more power in idle and under load which will generate even more heat. I would say that theorizing that the PS4 will have a shorter life on average is probably a safe bet.
  • LOL. Do you know anything about hardware at all? There are temperature sensors in the hardware. When the system reaches a certain temperature, the system BIOS/hardware tells the fan to turn on. What does that have to do with the OS?
  • Of course not, it isn't even out yet so why would you expect proof? But it is well known that the problem behind the RROD was heat. The console ran hot which often led to premature failure of the soldering joints. Further it is a known fact that heat increases error rates, especially when components are run hard. The things you see, large heat sinks, big fans, lots of open space, are all the things you do when you are trying to keep things as cool and quiet as possible.
  • I won't link to it, but I wrote about that observation the other day. Microsoft is so obsessed with not having a repeat of the RRoD they sacrificed manufacturing throughput in favor of quality control. And since this device is meant to be an additional (or replacement) box in your media center, I can understand why they went functional with the design.
  • I think Sony chose their design for relatively silent operation. Which is pretty important to the home theater set. I'm sure Microsoft would've taken a similar design path had they not suffered such a "black eye" (or should I say red eye) last time around. Time will tell if the early PS4 failures are a result of poor cooling or early run teething pains
  • and the media gave them pink eye when it went south xD
  • Zing! Lol. Seriously. Good one
  • I have only heard reports about how quiet the Xbox is. So I think both manufacturers designed their products with silence in mind. However, in the long run, a product that begins to run hotter, often runs louder, or it fails, or both.
  • The Xbox One is also reported as running very silently.
  • What?? A smaller fan needs to run at more rpm, hence louder, than a larger fan for dissipating an equal amount of heat. Even a xbox vs ps comparison showed xbox running way silent and cooler even at load (around 40-45dB).
  • That depends on the type of fan and airflow design too, not only it's diameter.
  • I've never heard that before. A larger fan will move more air at a given RPM than a small fan. This is why the computer cases for overclocking always have large fans. If a smaller fan could do the same job as a larger fan and be just as quiet, no one would buy the larger fans.
  • There are reports of loud fans in the ps4 by some users on the PS forum.
  • I've never heard a fan on my ps4, and it doesn't get hot. Only time will tell the durability of these consoles
  • I think Sony went for style. It's definitely not for silent operation because the PS4 is pretty loud.
  • Loudest console by far: Dreamcast!!! I swear it made industrial AC noises when running, jack hammer noises when accessing the GD-Rom and the sound of a nuclear plant power failure cutting off the electricity for the entire city of New York when the drive would stop spinning. I loved every moment, not to mention the free heat that came out of the vent on the side!!! For those of us that had GD-ROM drive failures, you know the song, it goes "zit zzzzzzzz, zit zzzzzuuuudddddddddd, zit zzzzzzzz, zit....zzzuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMmmm (drive powers down) Good ole DC. Favorite console ever, faults, hardware failures yet it truly brought the Arcade home and then some. I am looking forward to buying an Xbox One, it will be my first personal console purchase since the Xbox (version 1 with Duke controller). Yes, I skipped the 360/PS3/Wii era. I am thinking about buying an AMD R9 290 for my PC but I may just buy the Xbox One and keep my Nvidia 560 Ti OC for another year. Or I may be cheap and just buy Battlefield 4 and then BF4 Premium Edition for PC as a Christmas gift to myself, that will be close to $100 combined. Decisions....decisions. SEGA!!!!  
  • That heat was't free. You were definitely paying for it..
  • my ps4 is pretty silent even when i play COD
  • Using a bigger case and a larger fan that can rotate slower to move just as much as a smaller fan that rotates faster, will reduce noise. The reviews indicate that the PS4 is quiet, but can be heard when it is under load. The Xbox reviews say it is silent and cool when it is working hard.
  • Give me the ventilation...give me.the awesomeness....
  • well if it makes my console last then im all for it even more than i was this morning when i knew i was gonna pick it up :p
  • :D
  • I myself am still torn. Since Sony is charging to pay online, the financial incentive is limited and if the system may have a higher fail rate, than I am leaning towards xbox one. especially with skydrive/more entertainment options/and kinect-motion web browsing, then I'd rather go with Xbox. But I feel am suspicious, as MS has a nasty habit of nickeling and diming compared to Sony.
  • Seriously? What have they nickled and dimed? Having Live to use Netflix, etc? I can kinda understand that part if the console was pure media based and not secondary to gaming. It makes no sense to buy these consoles for media consumption only.
  • With some of the small things. Especially like making it mandatory to use Gold to use IE. 
  • That's services. Have they nickled and dimed on the hardware? The recall of the 360s cost them a fortune. They just don't want the same to happen to this generation.
  • Well at least the PS4 allows you to easily replace or upgrade the hard drive.
  • Would be better to allow external storage so that you can ADD storage as opposed to replacing.
  • Because stacking hard drives (in adition to power bricks) behind your TV is a convenient and elegant solution.
  • Probably beats having to reinstall all your 50GB games again.
  • Yes, I found that to be an elegant and convenient solution than having to open up the box.
  • I find the Xbox One's ability to plug in an external hard drive much easier. I don't want to swap out the internal hard drive every time it fills up. Would much rather buy an external one which I could then also use for other things.
  • Same here. My 4TB external harddrive will look nice connected to my Xbox One. I'm pretty set for a couple of years :)
  • Well I have had my PS4 on in an enclosed entertainment center for a few days without turning it off. Gets warm but hasn't shut off once.
  • Give it a month.
  • How would you know anything?
  • My bet is for two weeks
  • What happens in a month?
  • It's anecdotal of course but a friend of my complains of it overheating. It's locked up on him. That could have been software related but nonetheless he's selling his for other reasons (his data got corrupted and he lost all save files).
  • All the save data is saved online so don't see how he lost that. Still kicking good, no freezes or issues for me yet. Guess we shall see.
  • The article isn't saying it will turn off now. It's saying that heat over time will shorten the life of the console.
  • I'll definitely take a hulk of a machine if it means it won't need to be repaired or replaced any time soon.
    Sleek and sexy is fun for a while, then you get used to it and realize its a lot more work in the end than its worth.
  • I think I received that same talk as relationship advice once.
  • With some of the small things. Especially like making it mandatory to use Gold to use IE. 
    Lmao!
  • +1
  • Never had issues with my PS3 over heating throughout the summer months. And we don't have AC in our home either, and I am a heavy gamer. My sons new 360 went down only after 5 weeks of use from over heating. The replacement lasted 3 weeks before another call to Microsoft. Its hard to tell how well the PS4 and One will do over time, but if history is anything to go by I cant see any issues with the PS4.
  • The fact that they are comparing Microsoft to Sony in the hardware department is kinda ridiculous.
  • Yeah, Sony is terrible, why would anyone bother comparing things against their products?
  • Are you mistaking Sony for Samesung?
     
  • Ha ha ha
  • I bought an Xbox 360 during the time of the RROD controvery, and mine died too - a month ago after 5 years of reasonably heavy use by my grandson.
  • Was that the initial batch or a recent model. The 360 had overheating issues in the beginning. that is probably why they decided to go with better ventilation in this generation.
  • Mine lasted for 4 years + and is still running. This gives me a headache because I cannot justify to my wife about buying another console. I wish I have the RROD now.
  • It isn't like I'm holding it, it is just sitting near my tv, so I don't care if it is big or not.
  • HATE PS4!!!! PS4 Sucks!!!! XBOX ONE has better gaming standard hardware and software. Sony can't even make a good dashboard. XBOX ONE Dashboard looks simply Awesome as compare to ugly looking PS4 dasboard.
  • Xbox dashboard is old school and very ugly. Also very slow and laggy
  • lets see tonight how slow xbox one dashboard is according to your statement!!! PS4 dashboard looks old school and unorganized.
  • They are both terrible.
  • My car dashboard...wait...nevermind.
  • Nah, the Xbox One dashboard looks awesome and intuitive. The PS4 one looks like a combination if clumsy and boring.
  • Agreed!!! Xbox One Dashboard looks Awesome and Intuitive.  
  • What happened to using consoles to play games and just games
  • Exactly. Which is why I got the ps4 first, next will be th XBone.
  • Um, no. You might not like the look of it but laggy is one thing it isn't. PS4 looks like WMC and while I've yet to use the PS4 UI, the WMC UI was laggy as hell. It's all about preference.
  • Well if your read more then one site you will know that a few sites have run hardware test on both systems and despite having a bigger fan in the Xbox one bot consoles run at max load a temp of 49 Celsius. Meaning both systems could over heat. On another note I have a ps4 and if you pay attention it pulls in air from the sides and pushes air out the back creating a great airflow. If Xbox can follow suit both will be fine long term but if Xbox has only outward flow then could be bad
  • +one
  • bot consoles run at max load a temp of 49 Celsius. Meaning both systems could over heat. 45ºC is nothing, for comparison AMDs 290x work at 95ºC just fine.
  • Yes as is expected from a PC card but considering ventilation in a console is less then a PC the diff in heat makes a diff, PC you will most likely have multiple fans with increased airflow alowing a PC to run hotter but a console with one fan 45 C is alot for the smaller space
  • But that's beside the point, the card is running at 95ºC either way. In fact if you add more cooling (a water block for example) the card will just overclock itself until it reaches those 95ºC or whatever temperature you specify in the drivers.
  • They are actually optimized for 95C.
  • Brack Friday Bunduru.
  • That's the only South Park episode I've seen and its hilarious.
  • To me it looks like PS4 has a better and more efficient airflow design while Microsoft didn't put much attention so they put the biggest fan they found on the market just to be as safe as possible. Even the fan type of PS4 is different. So we can't say Xbox One will last longer just by looking at fan sizes.
  • Sony learned the lesson on price and may need to learn the RROD lesson although in reality despite pretending it was not happening they had the YLOD.   You have to wonder though as both are using the same processors why one needs this and the other not so...  
  • They designed the One to be always on as the center of your living room entertainment. They can't afford to have issues like the Red Ring of Death crop up again when they have such ambitious goals. I figured the extra size would be mostly to let the thing breathe.
  • A bigger box doesn't mean better cooling, airflow is the only thing that matters.
  • Larger spaces are less susceptible to heat gain from a given source because of their sheer air volume. So yes, a bigger box IS better for cooling. Airflow is A factor, not the only factor. But don't trust me, I only have experience designing heating and air conditioning systems of all sizes. No biggy.
  • A big fan moves more air and should help with airflow.
  • Lol, Xbox fanbois
  • i just prefer xbox. lets not act like ps4 fans are high and mighty when it comes to everything either. fanboys from both sides of the war are annoying.
  • Thanks. I enjoy both, and otw so frustrating when I make a comment based in actual experience. Can we all say we like whatever it is we choose and both are good, both will last years, both kick ass.
  • only in a perfect world friend. they definitely are both good consoles. preference is key. there are always people trying to justify the money they spend by bashing what they didnt buy with it. i owned ps1 ps2 xbox xbox 360 ps3 and now im getting xbox one. so as far as im concerned no one can call me a fanboy. just a preferer :D ( i know thats not a real word) :D
  • If you didn't own at least three different Sega consoles then you have no street cred.
  • im 23 dude, the oldest consoles i owned were super nintendo, sega genesis, and nintendo 64.
  • I owed 1 Sega, but I think owing a Vic 20, where I programmed my own games onto a tape while reading code from a magazine trumps that. The Vic 20, therefore rules all!!
  • Anything from Commodore rivals Sega. But my Mattel Intelivision, phew that was one cool gaming console that rivals Nintendo and Sega. O yeah :D
  • Damn, you took me down memory lane there. I took BASIC programming language classes at Radio Shack and did the same thing you did..magazine had the programs written in the back .. typed them in and put the fear of God into anyone near the power switch of the TRS-80 Model III/IV before my dad got the tape cassette backup from RS...
  • Comparing the Xbox One to the PS4 insides, you just have to give it to Microsoft for the simplicity and elegance of the internal design.  
  • I read today that the One is louder than the 360 because of the fan. That would be very disappointing since being loud was always a negative characteristic of all xboxes. Hope the report about the new console is wrong.
  • There is no way XBone/PS4 makes more noise than 360/PS3, they have SoCs with glorified tablet CPUs and low-mid range GPUs... the TPD of those chips should be well under 150W.
  • Rubios, your pc gamer is showing!
  • There are several reviews that mention that the Xbox One is louder than the original 360. On German Spiegel.de it was even mentioned that you will always hear the console when watching videos unless a big action scene is playing and that this pretty much kills it as a media center.
  • LOL
  • Nope. XBox One is most quiet of all. :http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/head-to-head-everything-you-need-to-know-in-the-ps4-vs-xbox-one-battle/2/
  • Totally worth it. People whine, complain, criticize, and debate about console size every generation before the consoles come out. Then they come out and nobody cares. You know why? Because they just sit there in your entertainment system doing nothing but sit there. It's not really a big issue, and the vast majority of entertainment systems can fit objects much larger than a console.
  • Not everyone has huge entertaintment systems or hooks their consoles to those TVs.
  • Still defending your PS4.... LOL
  • I'm actually getting a WiiU for christmas, apparently Super Mario 3D World is better than all PS4 and XBone launch games combined. It's sad, really.
  • Just keep your PS4 well ventilated
  • I really don't care that much about how my console looks. It just needs to work and work well.
  • Weren't PSs always smaller? E.g. PS2
  • The first PlayStation and PS2 were small because the PS was just a video game console and the PS2 had low-end PC-like hardware of the 1990s. The PS3 had PowerPC-based hardware and the PS4 uses PC hardware components like the Xbox One.
  • Xbone is easily twice the size it should be, has a terrible airflow design and a ridiculously huge external power supply... in 2013.   Nice spin on terrible engineering, but it's kinda shameful that a relatively small software company like Valve can design a much better box with off the shelf PC components and a 3D printer.  
  • And here you are again with your ignorant bullshit, as usual. Are you an engineer? Could you explain in detail how this is terrible engineering? Or are you just a sad OCD victim who comes on here everytime there's an article about the Xbox?
  • http://i.minus.com/iJkaR0VDcyrgP.png Let me know once you get past the first level and I'll tell you more.
  • Troll much!
  • I don't really understand where you're coming from. Overall it runs cooler, is quieter and consumes less power than PS4. Did I miss something? It looks like they absolutely had heat issues in mind considering the RROD fiasco. I don't know how the airflow is in the machine but the larger fan will move more air. I can't imagine MS being dumb enough to not allow for more airflow. As always, it'll show up in practice so until then we can all just sit back and wait.
  • Geez, laptops are much smaller than the PS4 and I don't worry about them overheating.  You don't need all that empty space.
  • Not only laptops, Apple packs several times the power of XBone AND the power supply on single fan iMacs.
  • I almost laughed at your comparison of an Apple iMac to a gaming console that people have on for 6+hours at a time doing nothing but gaming and party chats. besides, the guy you just replied to compared a laptop to a PS4 lmao that's even worse than your comparison.
  • There is nothing funny about it. iMacs operate 24/7 just fine and the average gaming laptop is more powerful than a PS4, the only thing you could argue is that while the aluminium body is a far better solution it would be way too expensive for a console, but we are talking about fairly high-end GPUs (GTX 680mx/780m) vs. budget stuff (~7790).
  • No man I wasn't laughing at the specs inside a gaming laptop or an iMac. I was laughing at the comparison of the activities you do on a gaming console and that of a laptop or iMac. I know I've sat there being a bum playing COD for 7+ hours lol online multiplayer. That's something PC manufacturers do not consider when building a machine. Sony and MS however, that is mainly what they have to ask themselves every time they go to the drawing board for design and internals. TBH I think ever since the over heating issues of the 360 it just stuck on every gamers head "oh man these consoles CAN over heat" and ever since its been on everyones mind lol
  • The amount of heat an iMac has to disippate under light load should be more or less the same as the XBone at full load, we are talking about Intel desktop CPUs and discrete graphics vs AMD APUs. I'll take a wild guess and say 100~120W.
  • Macs and PS4? You took the wrong exit ;) Everybody knows PSU outside of the housing is the way to go. Well, except for Sony and yet its deeper than a XBox One. LOL.
  • There is no need to jelly of Apple hardware, you can install MS software on it now.
  • This guy needs to be on timeout from writing his nonsense on this website. 
  • There's really no telling either way.
  • Yes! And the DIN format makes it fit perfectly with my other Audio Devices.
  • My One has been dispatched, via UPS, oddly enough expected delivered date was changed to the 27! I wonder if UPS people are going to walk here ?
  • It doesn't matter anyways because both companies will always release a new "slim" model from the original to generate more sales. To think this first iteration of the system is the final one that will last all 8-12 years is kind of misguided. IMO.
  • I don't know how much smaller the PS4 can get. Everything is pretty snuggly in there already.
  • Exactly. Both Microsoft and Sony will redesign their consoles years later to make them more power efficient and reliable. These current iterations will not be the only ones for the next 8-10 years.
  • Its a blue light of death, as far as I read
  • BLOD is when the machine refuses to power on and is locked in standby, usually from HDMI failure
  • Yes I dont care about the size if it means Long prosperity!! IM WITH CARTMAN IN THE FIGHT FOR AN XBOX ONE!!!Fuck princess Kenny lol!;
  • Proud Playstation owner. Good luck to Xbox tho
  • Completely worth it. Its a game console, it's not leaving my entertainment center. My tablet and laptop are good to be small so that they're more portable. My Xbox? I'd rather it last 10 yeas and i never have to worry about it overhearting.
  • What Sony, the inventor of failure after warranty manufacturing process, wants to make a nice hot unit? Not surprised by this at all. More proof Microsoft actually cares about their customers.
  • Which is why the PS4 runs cooler (and the XBO quieter)?
  • Considering my PS2 and PS3 never needed replacing and still work fine I wouldn't make such assumptions just yet. After a few years it'll be more apparent which is more reliable.
  • It's not saying that the PS4 will be unreliable per say, just that the Xbox One will be more reliable because of it's larger cooling system.
  • I like wpcentral but this article should not have ebeen published. It makes you guys look bad, kinda pandering to the fanboys. The PS3 was more compact than the xbox on the insides. Anyone who has opened up both these consiles can attest to the same. Yet, the PS3 functioned jut fine from Gen1 to the latest slims. The point is efficient cooling, not just vast empty spaces. If anything, it tells me that Microsoft tried to cut costs as much as possible with the in-console part logistics and also making repairs easier rather than building a product that is well tested and just works. A pickup has a tonne more space in its engine bay, does not mean its going to last longer than a tightly spaced V8 in a lexus. I cannot believe I have to point this out.
  • Thermodynamics must a PS4 fanboy, it can't be.
  • PS4 prooved allready to be bad on cooling/noise (watch ALL those video's) and looks ugly (though is a personal thing) Looks like an easy win for the XBox One. Let's wait a couple of weeks and we will al know which company did a better job. The PS4 will still look ugly to me. That won't change. .  
  • Well that's not biased at all! SMH
  • Agreed, I always thought it looked like a black plastic sandwich. lol
  • Come on, I love Microsoft more than the next guy, but the PS4 is still a very attractive piece of hardware. Except the fact that it wobbles :'( #OCDProblems
  • The XBO is quiter, the PS4 is cooler. (both slight leads) Neither one wins in its current state.
  • Can't really make out what you're trying to say.
  • This poster would know about pandering
  • That's exactly what I was thinking. Looks like they went with the cheap stuff made from the 90s. Yet, you can't replace anything (HDD looking at you). I will get an XBOX ONE, mostly due to the fact that I prefer Microsoft services, but if not.... No question, I would be all over a PS4. That thing looks sleek and sexy. Out of everything MS makes, the XBOX Hardware is the biggest and ugliest to me. But like people say, you won't be focused on the BOX...it will be your experience that matters.
  • 0.0 that is one huge fan, I hope it is a "near" silent fan with low db.. lol.
     
  • Bigger the fan, Smaller the noise my friend. Its gonna be amazing.
  • Sony has ultimately placed their focus on designing a unit with a small footprint and might not be thinking of the longevity of the unit for its consumers
    I undestand you guys prefer MS and XONE, but that statement is trolling at best.
  • Yeah, I doubt either of these consoles are meant to last more than 5 years, assuming both companies can make a profit on the hw after a few years.
  • Well done MS, Its great to see a company learn from its mistakes like this. Cant wait for tomorrow to get mine, and the relief to know its gonna stay cool with all the use its gonna get.
  • All these consoles being released, and all I'm doing is sitting here undecided.
  • 3DS > PS3 > WiiU You can't go wrong with any of those, but 3DS is on fire right now.
  • Pretty easy choice. 4 things will sway you one way or the other: 1) Where are all your console based friends. (My kids all have Xbox, easy for me) 2) Do you want to control your TV with your voice (Easy for me, yes, cool gadgetry) 3) Do you want a reliable hosting experience for mutliplayer (Easy again, Xbox Live all the way) 4) Do you want to browse with voice, gestures or even care about Kinect control (I think the face recognition element for sharing my console with my GF is an awesome feature) Or maybe, PS or Xbox has the games you want (exclusives) At this point you should almost certainly have the info you need to make a call. The Xbox is _more_ than a gaming system, and for me that makes it a more interesting gadget. Home run.  
  • I do have all the info, I've been following the situation regarding these consoles since the launch of each one, but I just can't decide.  It's like choosing a puppy really. You would take them all home if you could, but you can't, so you sit there thniking what the hell to do.
  • Keep an eye out for Oculus Rift launch, it's the true next gen experience. ;) If consoles are your thing, get the one with the games you prefer, if neither has those, then wait. Or get a Wii U, like I will.
  • that is a good excuse but xbox one run COD ghost at 720p while PS4 runs it at 920p or 1080p  so how the xbox one will be able to handle the future games with graphic much better than COD gohst???
  • By how it looks it should be running at 4K on both, you can't blame hardware for terrible developers.
  • Launch games NEVER take full advantage of the hardware -_- And besides, the FPS on the Xbox version is pretty consistent while on the PS4 it jumps all over the place. Microsoft is much more concerned with the game playing well, than it ALWAYS being in 1080p like Sony is.
  • Any proof on the FPS-claims? Pretty sure Activision would make sure FPS stays consistent on both consoles.
  • Proof: http://www.gamepur.com/news/12739-no-frame-rate-issue-cod-ghosts-xbox-on...
  • Thx. I guess Activision should've gone with 900p for PS4.
  • IMHO I think the PSU being on the inside, much smaller fan, and less ventolation will make the PS4 run hotter
  • And yet it runs cooler, according to Ars anyway.
  • The 360S DID NOT add fans. It actually removed a fan and opted to have the single remaining fan larger.
  • except the ps4 runs cooler than the Xbox. such a fan boy article
  • Given Microsofts history with heating issues and failure rates of their previous console I'm more trusting of Sony's HW design team.  If Only time will tell and I'll reserve judgment till the years have passed and the numbers are compared.  I'm disappointed in the XBox design and much preffer the PS4.  I'll most likely hide my Xbox one away and put the ps4 out for display in my home theater setup.   
  • Bullshit. The original Wii was built with a very small compact form factor and it never had the amount of problems that plagued the Xbox 360. And the Wii U is the same way.
  • When you compare...there's really no comparison. As they say, "History repeats itself" as shown by that VCR looking XBOX ONE!
  • Xbox one better than ps4
  • The bigger size is totally worth it now I can play for 24 hours straight
  • WOW! That didn't take long. So much for stability. Disc tray issues out of the box.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92KjJsntxGY
  • i love this site and a big supporter of microsoft... having said that, this article is stupidly fanboyish and the blogger is wow...  I mean, really?   "Microsoft has a big console so it's likely the most reliable console" "sony only cared about design and therefore they will sacrifice reliability of the PS4"   *FACEPALM*  Really? There is no proof to that and no one can attest to that yet. And have you forgotten microsoft's xbox 360 failure rates? Does that not come into play here?  I have a Wii U myself and will wait later on to see if the XB1 or PS4 is for me, but i want to see both machines succeed for the sake of hardcore gaming. oh and by the way... let me just drop this here....http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/22/xbox-one-early-adopters-reporting-hardware-problems
  •     Yeah, Microsoft needs to do everything in their power to avoid that public relations nightmare again, so I say, the bigger, the better.
  • Only one issue with this article:
    Reviews that I have seen all show that the XBO is hotter than the PS4. The XBO larger design is to allow the fan to be as silent as possible. MS cares more about sound than heat... Which is nice in most cases, but when a game is running, well, most people have sound enabled.  Which means you cannot hear the console anyhow. Would be neat if they could use the Kinect's microphones to dynamically adjust the fan to always make it inaudible based on the noise in the room.  I would never buy the XBO with its current state (or a PS4 for that matter) I have far to much bad experience with hot machines. That being said, unless the XBO gets exclusive FF games (only games I play on consoles) on it I wouldn't buy it anyways...
  • You fanboys make me sad. Is this what gaming has succumbed to? "Mine's better than yours because I said so!" Stop picking sides and just enjoy the games and systems you bought. That goes for all you iOS vs Android vs WP fanboys as well. Anyways, I have an Xbox One, and I can confirm that it is extremely quiet. Microsoft designed the console to be efficient with airflow and dispersing heat. That's why it has a huge fan and tons of airvents all over. They did the same thing with the Xbox 360 Slim and it works fine.
  • Well a rep at Sony UK said the PS4's lifecyle will probably be shorter than PS3, which is a shame because they're always bragging about a 10 year lifecycle. Microsoft wants the Xbox One to be around for up to 10 years. Kind of funny when you remember that they quickly killed the original Xbox after the 360 released.