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Dell wanted to build an Intel-based Windows 10 Mobile device for all your needs

Dell, of all people, were planning to build a super-powerful Windows 10 Mobile handset with an x86 Intel Core M processor, with 4GB or 8GB of RAM and 128GB or 256GB storage. The device would've been more of a small tablet rather than a smartphone, with the screen being 6.4 inches diagonally. That wouldn't matter however, as the concept for the device was for it to be one device that you can use as a desktop, laptop or tablet.

Most of the devices functionality would've taken advantage of Continuum, which allows high-end devices to transform into a desktop environment with a familiar taskbar, start menu and more. We've all seen Continuum before, and with the upcoming improvements which add windowed-mode, this device would've been one powerful, capable handset.

The problem however is we don't know what happened to the Dell project, which was internally referred to as "Stack". VentureBeat reports the device was scheduled to launch in the Spring of 2017, but the current state of the project is unknown. Perhaps the project was shelved after Intel announced plans to kill off its ATOM line of CPUs, or maybe it's just in hibernation, waiting for Microsoft to up their game on the software side of things.

Regardless, it's obvious that OEMs are interested in the concept of Windows 10 Mobile, it's just unfortunate that Microsoft is doing such a bad job at keeping up with OEMs wants and desires. HP, with their Elite x3, kind of achieved what Dell was planning with Stack, albeit on a much less powerful level. The Elite x3 is a smartphone being advertised as the one device that can be a laptop and desktop too, similar to Dell's Stack. However, HP had to tug and pull at Microsoft for months before the device was announced, as Windows 10 Mobile was missing vital things needed for HP to make the device they wanted, such as Snapdragon 820 support, fingerprint support and more.

Hopefully the Dell Stack will see the light of day at some point, either in its current conception or in a new product down the line. Microsoft's ultimate goal is to make Windows 10 Mobile a viable option over other mobile operating systems, and OEMs appear to be interested, it's just getting them to release these devices that appears to be the challenge.

Zac Bowden is a Senior Editor at Windows Central. Bringing you exclusive coverage into the world of Windows 10 on PCs, tablets, phones, and more. Also an avid collector of rare Microsoft prototype devices! Keep in touch on Twitter: @zacbowden.

185 Comments
  • It's a shame to see all these great concepts getting canned before consumers have a chance to show there is a market.
  • DAMMIT we were so close!
    I remember people saying Core M wasn't possible in a mobile device.
  • Let's not forget that Dell has not confirmed anything solid about this device... There's a possibility that it has been delayed, like the article states.
    ......
    MS may, or may not, be interested in making a x86 mobile phone, but sooner, or later, someone will.. We also should think about what section of W10 it would run, being under 7"... That might be what's holding Intel powered mobile devices back.... MS might not yet have x86 capabilities ready for W10M.. Either way, it takes MS way to long, and I bet it's because they refuse to dedicate enough of the windows teams focus on mobile.
  • No. It's taking long because its not ready. Look how they have been nailing it with surface, Surface book, and surface studio. When they finally release the phone it HAS to be showstopping. It's the only shot now
  • The world has moved on. The battle has already been won.
  • We don't know what's in store for the future... But, Daniel does have a good point.. Win32 apps are not the future. The mobile applications we run now are...
    .. So, maybe the solution isn't an x86 phone, rather more powerful, and fully functional, mobile apps, and more powerful Arm architecture to push them.. And, who says that Arm, and x86, are the only choices in the future? Could it be possible that a new processing Architecture may come about some day??
  • Only if msft is confident enough of its Mobile part of its ecosystem can OEMs be more interested in trying something more than what it takes to be a smartphone these days...
  • Over the last six years consumers have shown that there isn't a market.
  • It isn't easy competing with a company holding multiple monopolies.
  • I assume you mean Apple and Google, whom had next to no monopolies when the new mobile paradigm started, especially compared to Microsoft. They just had better products. Microsoft's offerings just fell short in too many ways.
  • Better products my butt. They didn't have a single product better than Microsoft on the software side when mobile started, except for Google search. At that time, Microsoft didn't really make hardware except for mice and keyboards.
  • Android blew Windows Phone 7 out of the water, especially if you were a manufacturer. You had the ability to 100% control the experience of the user and differentiate your device. You had no limits beyond having to bundle Google apps. Windows Phone 7 gave manufacturers nothing but limits. They could not modify the experience at all beyond adding apps. They were extremely limited in hardware choice and were completely dependent on Microsoft to add features. Manufacturer innovation was impossible. Samsung couldn't have become the juggernaut of today using Windows Phone. That is what mattered, not smooth animations.
  • DId/does anyone buy a Samsung because of Touchwiz? Samsung took leadership of the Android market because it offered some of the best hardware at acceptable prices. In reality manufacturer differentiation detracted from Android, forcing Google to rebalance the roles of the core OS and the Play store. Microsoft was looking at Apple, not Google, and third party manufacturer support wouldn't have been such an issue if they hadn't messed up their attempts to build a comparable ecosystem, but then they made all the predictable mistakes of a business chasing the market, with no confidence in their own vision. Now they're trying to redefine what an ecosystem looks like, and maybe other tech trends will favour them, maybe not. I hope they succeed because the superiority of the W10M UI goes far deeper than smooth animations, but I'm not holding my breath. W10M depends on the success of W10/UWP itself in attracting wider developer support, and that's the bit which still hasn't fallen into place.   
  • I think it is weird, but it seems TouchWiz is a selling point for people. Several generations now make the experience familiar to consumers. All the features they were able to add to the early Galaxy models as well as solid performance and hardware was what put them ahead. That wouldn't have been possible with Windows Phone. The hardware would have been outdated and defining features non-existent. Without dedicated manufacturer support, Windows Phone had no chance. Microsoft did not create a platform that inspired manufacturers and they never did anything to fix that.
  • Not really inspiring, but more so google letting oems code android to the point there is an OHA for android that even carrier belong to. It is their personal os without the need to maintain the base core. MS had complete control and that killed symbian and now WM. Though I want wm to make a come back.
  • Touchwiz is a selling point? Then why did I run to anything not Touchwiz? Don't get me wrong, Touchwiz isn't the worst launcher, but I won't do it again willingly, said the man with a Blackberry Priv.
  • It's not just the UX or RAM / SoC choices, but rather things like cameras, fingerprint scanners (later), etc. which OEMs couldn't freely innovate on. But yeah, WP7 wasn't that great for developers either (except for very simple apps, which were generally easier than on other platforms).
  • They can use any camera supported by the Qualcomm stack.
  • In WP7 days, I hear there were some serious limitations on it. Nowadays it's probably ok.
  • That was six years ago, yes... It has evolved quite a bit and doesn't ven run on the same codebase any longer.
  • Umm. No. Incorrect. It's because they adapted to smartphones too late. Do your homework
  • The smartphone market has like tripled since WP7, MS had plenty of time.
  • Tripled? No, it has gone up a lot more than that.
  • How???? I disagree. A small amount of enthusiast that decided that half baked concepts of Android running on x86 chips, is not conformation that the world might turn thier nose up at a full blown Surface Phone Pro running fully capable W10. Is that what you mean?
  • x86 on a phone is pointless. There is not a single x86 program that would be a good experience on a phone. Severely hampering your phone experience just so you can power a sub-par desktop experience from your phone doesn't make sense in the days of Ultrabooks and clouds. You are really reaching, even to make a niche use case. The market has spoken and Microsoft has finally listened. Windows phones are dead. Microsoft will be back with something new in a couple years. Maybe.
  • The point of x86 on a phone is to run legacy apps using Continuum, not in mobile mode. Your thinking too small scale. My wife uses and depends on Continuum every day and it works great and saves us a ton of money.
  • Obviously that is the idea, but what is the point when a $100 laptop or stick PC gives a far superior experience? It might make sense if PCs weren't dirt cheap. You are not saving money using Continuum despite what you have told yourself.
  • I work in IT consulting and I can guarantee you that no $100 computer stick offers comparable performance. The closest in speed are the models near $500 which negates the savings. I speak from experience seeing them used day to day in real work environments. Keep in mind this Dell would be a Core M which is far above the performance of an Atom. BTW I already owned the phone so even $100 is more than $0 besides that the location doesn't even have reliable internet so add that to the stick cost.
  • If you can fit a Core M into a phone, you can certainly fit it into a stick. Not to mention the Core M doesn't have cellular radios and would make for an absolutely terrible phone experience. You would be lucky to get an hour of screen on time. If you are worried about saving money, a $50 L650 gives the same basic experience as a Continuum phone and a $100 Moto G gives a far greater experience.
  • Again. I use those daily for work and no they don't offer the same experience. Not by a longshot. We use the cheap sticks for displaying open tickets or displaying info buy that's it. They crap out with much more. Even Chromesticks do the same at that low price point. Besides, you never addressed my point about clients who have poor internet. Do you suggest they also get a separate hotspot for that when they have a phone? More money for startups unjustified. As for radios and screen time, that is easily rectified though proper processor throttling. Laptops and tablets do the same thing. They only up fully when plugged in. The only issue that would be a challenge would be thermals for a small device when not throttles in the dock. That could limit upper performance buy overall its still money in the bank for business. You can say I haven't done the math or I don't know what I'm talking about but fact my work is doing it,successfully. We tried sticks and they do have usage scenarios buy they are not solutions to just blindly cut costs. There are problems they don't solve and can often create through blind usage. The usage scenarios I am talking about is where you don't get a bunch of cheap devices but one higher end such as a L950/XL or x3 and use it for everything. You also missed that with two devices you must deal with two cloud licenses and two management systems which increases cost and complexity of support.
  • You are really reaching for a niche use case. Any modern phone has hotspot built in and many laptops do as well. That doesn't justify a severely gimped desktop experience, especially if you need to pay for an x3 as well as the peripherals and the exorbitant cost of HP Workspace. You aren't saving any money there and you aren't getting premium hardware. Maybe some day x86 chips will be viable for mobile but by then x86 will be quite old and no longer a selling point except to maybe some businesses. That isn't a growth market. It is a niche legacy market at best. Microsoft isn't getting into this market for a reason.
  •   Doesn't seem so niche around here at least. I'm in an area with about 250,000 people. There are a lot of private practice professionals who are just starting out who don't have a lot of money and are looking for ways to stay lean. They aren't even permitted to lock their office so they leave little to nothing in it. People who have been around for a while don't mind spending a good chunck of change for a full desktop or laptop but a lot are new and don't have a lot of cash. Talking to them, a lot of their colleagues just starting out in other cities have the same problem and I can gaurantee you near 0% of them know what a Windows Mobile Phone is or Continuum, which by itself is a challenge but all are desperate for ways to keep costs low. As for HP Workspace, the prices are saw were pretty reasonable for what they are but in the cases I am talking about they are unnecessary as these are cloud based solutions. Others who would consider HP Workspace already have their own servers and don't usually need to pay anyone to host RDP for them. With the cloud portal, you gain access via a website with one login per device. They use Continuum as their desktop PC at work and only leave less than $100 in place. These people are also bound by HIPAA. If they are leaving the office quickly just unplug the phone and run and there is no potential liability left to worry about. Tehering would be a solution but more involved since it would manaully choosing the network during outages. With a seperate computer they would have to keep Windows up to date. Ever tried doing Windows Updates via tethering or via a crappy connection? They get paid by records entered, not attempted. An internet outage means lost time and lost money. No one I know is using an X3 yet. Those prices would have to come down first. Right now the 950/950xl are so cheap it's an easy choice. As for severely gimped experience, the only issue right now is multi-window but that has been the only thing. So far that is only minor. I've even seen them plug in random things into the doc and was surprised to see things I thought wouldn't work did. My own wife switched about 3-4 months ago and now she doesn't even want a computer. She feels it would be more hassle. Either way, I can't speak for all professions but consulting people in the medical field there is a huge untapped market that has a lot of potential.
  • Yeah you can put it in the small pc sticks but think about what your saying. They haven't don't that yet. They just haven't. If anything a phone will have more space
  • One device you pancake. Employees can be delivered a phone, and a docking station and monitors. Instead of a phone and a laptop and docking station and monitors. Cheaper, more efficient. Use that noodle of yours.
  • I guess the point would be to carry only one powerful device.
  • I hate when people shut down ideas just because they feel it's pointless. You do not have to get it if it comes out so don't try to stop it for the rest of us that would.
  • You love saying Windows Phone is dead, yet they are still selling, there are still fans using and talking about them, and MS is still updating it. The only thing that MS did was stop making them directly, so no more Lumia. Now we get them from HP, Acer, and Alcatel, etc. Not sure what the Windows Phone did to you, but you obviously don't want it to be around. You should get that checked...it's just a phone.
  • You are an idiot
  • I thought about it, and you could be right (hence my comment above)... The solution is more powerful mobile apps, and more powerful mobile processor's to push them.
  • Oh yeah. Your mind is severely "bleached" to the extent that all you see is gloom and doom even when nothing points in such direction. Who says windows phone is dead? Laughable. You wish to deny the fact that UWP concept has been able to bridge the uncertainties that trailed designing apps for all the various platforms. Now there is easy adaptability of apps to any platform on which it is installed, a SMART concept if you ask me. Availability of more powerful innards for phones coupled with more powerful but les resource gulping appears will further make the achievement a reality. Loosen up pal. Your pessimism and nay sayer attitude is outta the roof.
  • read the topic again and open up your lazy ass mind 
  • I'm buying it if it comes out.
  • Yes, Once again MS showing how much passion they have for mobile vs what fans, and OEM'S have.
    ...
    It's like MS doesn't know what they could do with WM, but they really do... The reality is that they have lost faith. Probably for the best right now, so that they can come back with a stronger mobile OS.
  • They can't do anything with Windows Mobile. That ship sailed years ago when they failed to innovate and adapt. The market has now matured without them and they have absolutely no path forward. Their only hope is to create or be ready to jump on the next big thing and that most certainly isn't going to be Windows Mobile. A few fanboys and pseudo phone manufacturers doesn't change that.
  • They didn't fail to innovate. They failed to sell themselves. I've listed previously 15 unique features Windows Mobile had that were useful every day that iOS and Android didn't have, yet. None where advertised by Microsoft.
  • Features that meant very little in the marketplace, especially compared to, say, the attractiveness of the platform to developers and to the app gap.  Microsoft's post-WP7 market share peaked with the 52* series, which was a very capable smart phone for the money.  Android blew by it, and Microsoft.  There was an excellent article recently in the financial press about how Ballmer totally missed the boat on this, first poo-pooing the iPhone, and then mistaking Apple for its competition, rather than Google.  
  • Windows Mobile was a dinosaur compared to Android at the time. WP7 was better but also well behind the competition.
  • I dont think they can ever come back with a stronger mobile OS with minimal resources dedicated towards that effort, the supposedly mobile focussed RS2 is now not mobile focussed anymore, WC says it is now gng to be RS4 - codeword for it is never happening.
  • I'm back on android for the moment. I wouldn't writeoff Win10M. It's still the best Mobile OS around. I've no doubt once a i86 or X64 Mobile soc becomes available they'll be back in the race again. The benefit MS have is their platform covers all manner of technologies and product streams. That's something the others simply don't have.
  • x86 isn't the future. It is a dying format. Microsoft already said they are working on an ARM+LTE device.
  • Yeah, like I said before, it's possible that ARM architecture could replace proccesors in desktops, and laptops, when they become more powerful, and mobile apps become full featured. Either that, or some new mobile processing architecture. Anything is possible.
  • Even if your claim were to be true, does the death of x86 translates to the death of windows phone?
  • My guess is the market for a product like this is quite small.  But it's also likely to be quite rabid.  And, I suspect, people would be willing to pay a pretty penny for products in the category. It can't be smaller than the market for WP, which is now under 0.3% of the smartphone market. At the least, the mere existence of devices of this kind would likely have a halo effect for the entire platform, since they'd start a whole lot of conversations among the technorati.
  • And I would've said shut up and take my money!! Please make this come to life somehow!!
  • It seems OEMs do care for and are interested in the W10M.
  • Yes ODMs and OEMs are interested but Microsoft is going at a snails pace at improving and adding features to W10M :(
  • By the way Microsoft is handling W10M we'd be lucky to even some high-end Continuum-enabled mobile devices by 2019.
    .
    (By the way, I am a true Windows user and switched to WP in 2014 after bad experiences with Android)
  • That's sad yet i couldn't hate msft for that...
  • But a bleached view above opined that Windows phone is dead. I bet he shut his mind to that obvious fact you stated above.
  • I want it.
  • I'm really glad to see that OEMs are interested in W10M. If only MS would feel the same...
  • Let it fit in my pocket and I will be OK.
  • At 6.4 inches, you'll probably need to ditch all your skinny jeans in favor of cargo pants.
  • Back to baggy again lol
  • Oh wait, I cannot fit these in my spandex pants :( I have no pockets
  • Dell + Windows 10 Mobile + Intel core Processor
    Awesome Experience ahead
  • How are Dell products are they a good oem as far as support? Thinkin **** getting a tablet from them
  • Their support sucks unless you have a business account with them.
  • I second that.
  • You don't even have to do that. Just but a business class system, such as Optiplex or Latitude and you get US tech support. Vostro and lower is offshore.
  • Even then its a send in and fix or swap right?
  • I've had a decent support experience with them over the years. I find most of the support I need on their website however.
  • If by that you mean DIY, then that is no support.
  • Enterprise users for HP, Fujitsu, and Dell are way better cause you have a 5+ year warranty period plus on-demand support
  • I don't know. Back in the day Dell released their WP7 phone - Venue Pro. It was awesome but they dropped support almost immediately. Eg. the very first Windows update broke compass and Dell never released fixed drivers, eventually they just removed the option from the listing on their website. Very disappointing for people who trusted the brand. Now I would think 10 times before I buy anything from Dell.
  • Ahhh myfirst windows phone. It truly was a beaute and such an easy transition from Blackberry to Windows for me. ZERO support however haha
  • Did anyone here say MSFT is dropping support for her windows phones?
  • MS now just need to actually communicate and work with OEMs'. It just shows that big OEM's are interested in the platform and what MS are trying to do with Win10(/mobile). But MS just needs to start *talking* to them and stop sitting there hoping someone else will for them Would be nice to see this Dell Product come to life. Sounds really interesting, and no doubt there will be other big OEM's who have considered the platform and idea.
  • MS would have had to be working closely with Dell on this for it to get that far, the reason we don't hear those conversations is because everyone has to sign NDAs for that kind of thing. I don't think Dell would have cancelled this because MS isn't focused on mobile hardware themselves, that's actually a bit of a bonus for Dell since it means they are competing with less phones in the market, most likely it was cancelled or put on hold because of battery life or issues getting W10M working well with a Core M chip. But this interest won't be lost on MS, if Dell wants to make that then eventually MS will make the changes necessary to make it happen, it's really just a question of how long it will take MS to do that and how long until battery tech improves.
  • I didn't say Dell had cancelled it. You seem to have misunderstood my whole comment :P My whole comment practically evolved around the same meaning as your statement "If Dell wants to make that, then eventually MS will make the changes necessary to make it happen".
    The problem is the word "eventually" is highly emphasised. MS just need to to properly *start* making it happen. (Look at the x3. It was a great device from the start but it took about a month before it was even aloud to go to the latest update without insider program. MS just need to be quicker about it, or at least make sure the device is ready before launch) I'm also saying MS just need to work harder on communicating with as many OEM's as possible to achieve the same thing they have with Dell.
    I also never said it wasn't a good thing that Dell was (maybe still is) making a Win10m device. Of course its an advantage for them as MS aren't making devices themselves now. I just want to point out I'm not some troll trying to put down this article like some people you find here. I'm just stating that MS do need to communicate with *more* OEM's because there is obviously potential that OEM's are at least considering the platform for more than just "a mobile platform", but more "a 3 in 1 platform"
  • I really want this device. I believe the issue was power consumption / battery life. People are accustomed to a phone lasting an entire day. ARM is all over x86 in this regard, but the apps on Windows are lacking. As the app problem is not resolved, the way out is an x86 that sips power like an ARM processor. I think Intel backing away from mobile CPUs is what shelved this project.
  • Performance per watt actually favors x86 slightly over ARM.  x86 does not scale down low enough to make it overall consume less power however.  With Intel changing their focus with the Atom I don't know that this will change any time soon.
  • What about if the tablet bit was just a screen and a battery? And relied on a connection to the phone for cellular. Could have used it as a power bank too, so charging your phone as you work. Don't need to charge, fine, just connect wirelessly. If it had a retractable cable, then no need to carry more than the screen and the phone. Could even have had extra ports on to the tablet bit, so it acts like a continuum block, but with a screen. The pro could have a keyboard cover too. Basically, a dumb screen, attached to a smartphone. Only one professor and set of RAM etc. Surely could have knocked them out at a low cost, owing to there being no storage, professor etc onboard.
  • If people got an portable battery, they wouldn't have to worry about batteries not lasting a day. I'd quite happily get this device even if it didn't reach a full day power.
    I guess it just depends on the person. Hopefully they sort whatever issue it was, out though as it would be nice to have a Dell 3 in 1 Phablet-sized device. Maybe someday (soon, fingers crossed) :)
  • An x86 processor in a phone without support for win32 programs in Continuum. Hmm.
  • Funny, win32 exes run in continuum mode on my Surface Pro. You remember the very defining aspect of continuum is that it changes to suit the environment and capabilities? What you see as (current) mobile continuum is with current hardware/capabilities. If x86/x64 processors were available, Windows 10 one core should adapt to the capabilities (or, at least, should be developed to).
  • An x86 processor in a phone running an OS without support for x86 processors, this is the real problem.
    Hell, w10m doesn't even support ARMx64 until now, how does MS expect OEMs to build great devices for them if they can't because of their own software limitations
  • Now THAT would be the new "Pocket PC" :)
  • Yeah
  • Sounds great and all but I'm not paying $1000 for a phone! All my needs? Well let's see I need a phone that's a phone 1st, with shatterproof glass, week long battery life, an excellent fast shutter camera, a reponsive bug free OS, no more annoying resuming screens, and performs core funtionality like email, phone calls, display brightness, and messaging flawlessly!!  #MakeMobileGreatAgain
  • $1000 would be worth it, IMO. If it works exactly as described.
  • Week long battery life? If there were a device that could do that now, you still wouldn't pay $1000 for it? The longest battery life available now is about 48 hours of use on a smartphone.
  • Seeing some people pay far beyond that amount for a computer and some pay that amount for a phone (new iPhone Plus with 256GB = $969 before tax). I would cosider such a device for $1000. 
  • MS are obviously waiting for this next step to make sense. As you can see with Surface products, they are showing OEMs how bring current markets forward. Rather than just create a windows version of an IOS or Android current device. While Google and Apple seem happy to continue to rehash the same thing with a slightly faster chip. Surface is innovating with first the Pro, then the book and now the desktop pc. Next or the year after I fully expect Surface to innovate the phone. I cant for the love of me understand why people can't blantantly see this. The past 5 years of Surface innovation and MS strategy has shown this. And Surface has become a really good innovative trustworthy brand name. And the fastest growing digital device brand over those years.
  • Surface has 'innovation' built in, and is regarded a erm, da bomb in the tech world. The minute you put windows and phone on one, the brand could be damaged. Windows + phone + mobile is TOXIC. It's gonna have to be special to raise an eyebrow outside of Win Central.
  • I really like the look of the larger device. Not sure if that's supposed to be an enlarged picture of the phone or a tablet. Either way, SEXY!
  • Nice move Dell.
  • Boy this is truly disheartening!
  • I imagine a lot of manufactures' are reluctant to make devices like this. Not necessarily because of market share but partly because they are not sure if MS will release a surface phone. That is where market share does apply. There isn't enough to support that many large premium phablets.
  • So true!
  • Yep. Such is the case when Microsoft released the Surface Pro.  Now OEM's are knocking out some good 2-in-1s to follow suit.
  • The Core M processor alone would've cost as much as some Androids carrying Snapdragon 820s. On top of that I just don't believe the core M would get anywhere close in the power efficiency stakes.
  • I would definitely interested in buying one.
  • TAKE ALL MY MONEY!!!!
  • That was perfect for power users, since probably Microsoft was going to let Continuum install x64 software and apps on your device like Microsoft Project or Photoshop, unforunately in Mobile industry there are more consumers than power users, so this could probably haven't had all the success as expected.  
  • Well since continuum doesn't actually run x86 apps yet, I don't really see the need for this. HP already has it covered in a smaller form factor. 
  • "it's just unfortunate that Microsoft is doing such a bad job at keeping up with OEMs wants and desires" "HP had to tug and pull at Microsoft for months before the device was announced, as Windows 10 Mobile was missing vital things needed for HP to make the device they wanted, such as Snapdragon 820 support, fingerprint support and more" I have to applaud Zac here for finally telling it like it is. Usually on this site, Daniel will jump on anyone in the comments who dares to imply that Microsoft is not committed to Windows 10 mobile. As evidence he points to number of builds that have been released. However, anyone looking at what's in those builds and at was speed new things are being released clearly sees that Microsoft is putting their B team on this. Microsoft has a an odd definition of "committed". It's like: yeah, we are going to continue to work on mobile. But no more than 10 developers. That's all the budget you get. Otherwise we're gonna run out of budget for our iOS and Android teams. It's so sad: nothing has changed since Nokia had to release the Lumia 1020 with old hardware because Microsoft couldn't keep up. How can your strategy be to attract third party OEM's and at the same time be so f$cking slow? I don't get it. If they continue with this pace (and it appears they are now that Surface phone appears to be linked to RS4 in 2018!), I see Google simply taking this continuum idea and running with it before Microsoft even has a chance to release their "new category" device.
  • well done for getting all the worn-out clichés in one post.
  • There is no Windows 10 Mobile team and Windows 10 Desktop team, there is simply the Windows 10 team.
  • That's correct. But it doesn't change anything. Whether it's development in a seperate team or as part of a larger team: they're not setting any speed records. I think there's a lot of potential in what they are doing but I fear they are just going to screw it up.
  • Give it an actual mobile processor like a SnapDragon and then we can talk.
  • Why bother, have a dumb screen, with a big battery, let the phone do the work. Make the battery large, and have the option for a kickstand and web cam and mic. Phone has the ability to charge up via the powerbrick/screen. Have an enclosure for a pen. Boom, a Surface Mini, with cellular connectivity, via the phone. Wi-Fi is all the screen needs, or some mirrorcast feature. Have a retractable lead to attach to the phone, happy days.
  • I'd prefer something that can fit in my pocket comfortably, have good battery life, and be thin. I'll do computer stuff on my desktop or Surface and phone stuff on my phone.
  • I think your usage would be the overwhelming majority's. But there nevertheless would be a small but non-negligible group who want the full PC in their pocket.  And I suspect these could be very high-margin devices. It is not an "or" situation, but MS needs to deliver.
  • This sounds like EXACTLY the kind of device that I really want! 6-7" is something that I'd really enjoy on my next device. If Dell releases this, it's a MUST HAVE for me!
  • This device feels like Mercury or Gallium.
  • meh.... I'm waiting for Galaxy Note 8 even if it is a weapon of mass destruction.
  • Absolutely :P
  • Lol Selfish gene :-)
  • LOL
  • The thing is that I have been talking about this as the Windows phone that should have been.
  • This is what I wanted 5 years ago and I still want it now.
  • I do like the looks of the phone concept, I hope it comes to light.
  • Microsoft wake up please!!!!
  • It's too late, the giant has fell asleep. Again...
  • Nutella!
  • Don't ever try to wake up a sleeping lion ^_~
  • A Core M three in one?..... man, make it dual simm with expand memory and I'm more than in.
  • What I find interesting about this, is that there must be a build of W10M for x86, otherwise Dell wouldn't have gone so far with it, and if they actually planned to release with RS2 in early 2017 then most likely they actually had a working prototype. To me that suggests they would have been working very close with Microsoft on this. I would love to get my hands on that build to try and hack it on to a laptop.
  • Microsoft knows what it's doing. The massive changes take time and planning, just be patient. There are now plenty of WM phones until the big changes ahead. Stop ragging on MS.
  • The worry is that Microsoft might take so long trying to make a perfect device that Android and Apple will develop and market subpar products with the "we did it first" mantra and capture the audience MS is trying to target, thus pulling the rug out from Microsft once again.
  • lol
  • As usual, Microsoft's snail's pace development of their mobile platform gets in the way of its progress. Announce key feature continuum in 2015, won't be truly usable till years later. Typical.
  • And will stay so, because the idea is plain rubbish.
  • How difficult is it to support new processors? Why is it that Android continually supports the latest mobile processors, but Windows always struggles, and the OEMs are handcuffed because of it just like Nokia was?
  • Well i remember that they said W10M will support MediaTek but theres nothing new...
  • MS refuses to allocate the resources for this purpose and now that the core is same it slows down overall pace of releases. is the OneCore becoming and albatross around the neck for MS.
  • Can someone please explain me why in the name of all that is good and logic there was never a smartphone running an intel Atom (x86 arc) AND full windows 10 with layer on top that emulates windows mobile??
  • There is no processor for that. Intel planned to make, but failed. Thats official info.
  • The Fujitsu F-07C that was launch with Windows 7 Home Premium in 2011 runs Windows 10 for Pc Youtube video: eJNmXHLZFNw with an 1.2GHz Intel Atom processor (with Hyper-Threading), 1GB DDR400 RAM and 32GB SSD... Have a good day.
  • there was a mobile phone that had 2 processors, one was an atom, and the phone could run windows 7 and windows mobile.
  • Wow that's interesting. I bet there going to make an Alienware gaming tablet that runs Windows 10 and they will spec that out.
  • I'd be interested in a X64 based Win10 Mobile. The problem is the chipsets are not there yet. Maybe AMD will have a powerful enough solution shortly to combat ARM and it's current limitations with respect to Win10M. I find it amazing that a company like Intel with It's massive R&D haven't been able to develop a decent chipset. I'd be happy to carry around a PC in my pocket that can be a phone, desktop and gaming machine all through one device and dock. I could then get rid of my desktop.
  • Imagine, if Microsoft then added support for classic win32 program's on Windows 10 Mobile. This device would be a killer :D
  • Maybe waiting for the aliens to drop a 'paradigm shift' on is before release.
  • All your paradigm shift are belong to us
  • Damn.  I was hoping for a nice Venue Pro replacement with Windows 10.  I really want that slider keyboard.  Miss that on my Pre. :(
  • I hear you bro, I still have my original Pre in my drawer.  Best O/S ever.
  • As i already wrote here in past , only competition killer could be surface phone based on full windows 10, not mobile version. This would be real microsoft hammer in mobile segment.
  • Would have bought it in a heartbeat. It is so cool and sexy it's unbelievable.we need sexy looking products amongst a great software support and solutions.
  • if W10M support x86, more than 4gb ram(64bit) and let me load any program(NOT UWP) then it is not the W10M as know and love.  It is some version of embedded W10 that support cel signal.
  • Like those edges
  • Let's face it, Intel dropped the ball too, Since they decided they can't compete with ARM in the mobile space and killing ATOM just as they were getting interesting.
  • Intel rolled back their decision to stop supporting mobile computing, just few days ago they announced they're entering IoT market with Atom chips (E3900 series) link here:  http://marketexclusive.com/intel-corporation-nasdaqintc-targets-iot-indu...
  • Dear MS, Stop sucking. Sincerely,
    Everyone
  • Dear I'm in xtc,
    Stop being a dick
    Sincerely,
    Everyone
  • Wow.  That was unnecessary. Phones like this are the obvious differentiator for WP.  If MS' partners actually want to make phones running Windows instead of Windows Phones, MS should be doing everything in their power to make it so.  The existence of "USB Compute Sticks" proves that a phone-sized PC with acceptable performance is completely possible. Where is the effort on MS' part?!?  If they'd wanted to, they could have done this a year ago.
  • Totally necessary.
    You've no idea what has been going on behind the scenes, but choose instead to make some childish playground comment about Microsoft.
  • back in 2011, fujitsu released a windows 7 phone that used an atom chip, and ran the full version of windows 7 ; Fujitsu F-07C smartphone. it lasted 2 hours on a full charge will using the full windows. later -1
  • Before we start, yes, I know its sci-fi, but *what* if a seismic shift revolved around those devices in Westworld??? Then people might cop a look... Back to my dark cupboard
  • Blame intel not Microsoft..... Current Atom processors are barely faster than Baytrail was. Intel has let the Atom line languish for years most likely out of the very real fear of good enough computing killing their revenues. Intel delivering an Atom processor ($35 per 1000 tray) with the performance of an A10/X1/820 = canibalization of mobile i3 processors ($200+ per tray) as decent performing <$300 PCs flood the market. locked down WP when undocked and full windows when docked would have been very interesting. If intel can get an underclocked core M <4W i think this could still happen.
  • Nice that they were working on this. But if they didn't release it, it must have had some flaws. A lot of things don't get released and it's for a reason. This goes to the "shut up and take my money" crowd.
  • Can somebody explain to me what is the difference between a smartphone with this processor and the snapdragon ones?
  • Sure, so Windows 10 kernel is same on both Windows 10 Desktop and Windows 10 Mobile, the difference in Mobile is that since it runs over ARM CPU, you cannot run software built for the desktop Platform, for example a photo edition app like Photoshop or a project management software like Microsoft Project which were compiled for the non ARM CPU architecture.  A phone with x64/x86 doesn't has this issue and that would let users use the Continuum feature and run those apps directly from your phone. It's not rocket science, but most consumers wouldn't care about this feature.  As a power user I would buy a phone like this, but not everybody is a power user.
  • Thanks a lot :) that's what I tough too but I wasn't quite sure
  • I guess the HW and SW is not yet up to par for such devices to really shine. Continuum is half baked and x86 in mobile space is not there yet.
  • Not to mention battery tech.
  • Looks pretty sweet. What are the odds they're waiting for Redstone 3 for 64 bit support, since 2 will focus on VR/AR and rounding out Continuum? I'm assuming that's the holdback, since right now under the current 32 bit architecture Win 10 Mobile can only support 4 gigs of RAM at max and the Dell specs go up to 8...
  • MS doesn't care and now the vendors are giving up one by one.
  • CoreM in a phones chassis... What about heat dissipation? Power Budgets for components? Just to name a few issues that need to be considered.... It's an awesome concept an all but without resolving the issue of heat dissipation... It's not going to work. An x86 doc working in tandem with ARM soc is the best bet. But then again not many need full fledged programmes for day to day use.
  • Heat definitely an issue without a fan... nobody wants a phone which is a fire hazard and Samsung might be able to recover from exploding phones, Dell's first W10M phone and Microsoft's low market share Windows10M platform, maybe's not! Anything released has to work PERFECTLY or it will get more bad press!!
  • Surface Pro 4 doesn't have a fan for the M3 model, it just uses liquid cooling. Might be able to do that here - the 950 series has a liquid cooling system too.
  • Surface 3 has LTE function.
  • I hope this is something we see soon enough or something like it from another manufacturer, seems to be a market for this.
  • Concepts, concepts.  Make it reality and cover broader spectrum of users. 
  • There needs to be a Windows 10 Mobile Pro that's full Windows 10 on x86 chips that can switch to a more mobile interface when on the phone. I love Windows 10, but I find Windows 10 mobile (even with continuum) to be inferior in every way... I'm really tempted to finally make the jumo to iOS at this rate.
  • If you guys watch Westworld, they use a device that they can fold/unfold to change the screen size. It has AI assistant and all the bells and whistles. That's the mobile device we need.
  • If I were the hazard a guess, I will put it on Intel which cannot get a decent processor out for the small form factor devices (taking a cue from WC, I am not calling it a phone!)
    While HP may have had to push MS a lot, they got nearly what they had hoped for and X3 is a great device. The slate from Dell would have been great too, but there are just no processors from Intel that can support the smaller form factors and their needs for battery life, less heating, really small size et. al.
  • Dell, gimme that phone!! ;-)
  • I would buy that in a heart beat
  • I wonder where that "hp had to tug and pull for months" info comes from?
  • x86/x64 chip, winstore only app on phone but can run x86 apps on Continuum, xb1 games on continuum, battery can last the whole day, keyboard snap ala surface book, showcase support of new popular iOS android apps/games, price that make sense... Just dreaming
  • The Fujitsu F-07C that was launch with Windows 7 Home Premium in 2011 runs Windows 10 for Pc Youtube video: eJNmXHLZFNw with an 1.2GHz Intel Atom processor (with Hyper-Threading), 1GB DDR400 RAM and 32GB SSD... Have a good day.
  • Wht happend to this?
  • Wht happend to this?