Did Nokia make a mistake by going with Windows Phone?

Nokia Lumia 900 with Android 4.x?

Should Nokia have chosen Android over Windows Phone? Many think so, including one former Apple executive.

Things are getting rough for Nokia. Today, their stock hit the historic low of $2 a share before closing at $2.02.  That’s bad, very bad for a company who traded for over $40 a share just a few years ago. What’s more, the “no Windows Phone 8” for current devices, especially the high-profile Lumia line, is doing nothing to inspire confidence in the company, whose primary business is selling phones. See RIM.

Recently though, some people have been clamoring for Nokia’s heyday and stating that Nokia should have gone with Android instead of Windows Phone. Others think they abandoned Symbian way too early even though Nokia’s stock crashed below $10 back in 2009. News flash: Symbian was dragging the company down and their stock price reflected this years before they announced they were going with Windows Phone.

In an interview with Computing.co.uk, a former Apple executive named Jean-Louis Gassée (he left in 1990, before the company became interesting) threw Nokia CEO Stephen Elop and the Board under a bus noting that the company should have chosen Android, like he recommended, instead. Sour grapes?

For Gassée, Elop gets a lot of criticism because he pre-announced the Windows Phone deal months before they would have any devices to sell. In turn, everyone knew Symbian was dead and Nokia’s sales really tanked. This is referred to as the Osborne Effect which is why companies generally don’t pre-announce new wares while their current ones are still selling. But Gassée says this happened twice, since the Lumia line was just announced as not getting Windows Phone 8 creating a “double Osborne Effect” with no Symbian to fall back on and their Lumia line is predicted to flounder.

We actually agree with Gassée in the way this has played out for Nokia is far from ideal and it could have been handled much better both by Microsoft and Nokia, especially since the latter has much more to lose.

But the notion of Nokia going with Android seems crazy to us.

Would Nokia have created some fantastic Android phones? There is no doubt they would have developed some amazing Android hardware, especially with their flare for design.  But the profit margins are so slim for Android since OEMs are either being sued by Apple or they have to pay royalties to Microsoft for patents, that the payoff might not have been worth it. Nokia may have sold more phones but it’s not clear that being “just another Android-OEM” would be enough to save them.

Noka's stock going back 10 years. It cratered in March, 2009--way before the deal with Microsoft

Nokia’s position on this matter has always been clear: the Windows Phone base is small and therefore Nokia can dominate that field instead of playing catch up to HTC and Samsung using Android. And guess what? They’ve done it. We showed you yesterday how ‘Lumia’ trends higher even then ‘Windows Phone’ for Google searches and everyone knows the Finns own the Windows Phone playing field right now—even while having some high profile issues.

The larger question is not so much about Nokia surviving but about Windows Phone. Everyone seems to agree that Windows Phone is a sold mobile OS and that the double-punch of Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 desktop (plus Surface) is a potentially killer combo not matched by Apple or Google.

If Nokia can survive the summer and Windows Phone 8 is a success, they stand to be the big mover in the field—something which Samsung and HTC cannot match, especially with their “divided attention” due to Android.  Seeking to be a leader with an OS versus just another player is a big difference in strategy. Is it risky? Definitely.  Again, Nokia’s stock is hovering just about $2 a share right now. But Microsoft won’t allow Nokia to be bought-out by any other third-party (nor will the Finnish government for that matter) and Redmond won’t allow them to go out of business. This is something that RIM can’t bet on—a guardian angel to inject capital into the company should things go really bad. Who would save Nokia if Android failed them--Google?

Going with Android would not have killed Nokia but it wouldn’t have made them a leader either. With Windows Phone, Nokia is making a bet but the potential reward years from now is considerable. That’s a different philosophy and one where we can see the appeal.

Nokia wants to define what a modern smartphone should be versus already being defined. That's the take away.

Nokia-Android Logo credit: Cellouts

Daniel Rubino
Editor-in-chief

Daniel Rubino is the Editor-in-chief of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been here covering Microsoft since 2007 when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and for some reason, watches. Before all this tech stuff, he worked on a Ph.D. in linguistics and ran the projectors at movie theaters, which has done absolutely nothing for his career.

190 Comments
  • +1
  • The mistake was releasing a WP 7.5 & not starting with wp8. The hardware doesn't compete with Android devices. Yes the 900 has a nice look, smooth os but it's still behind.
  • Dual core etc wouldn't really make any difference at the end of the day unless the apps are built to make the most of it all.. Its all a bit over rated unless its done right
  • As someone who just switched from a dual-core Atrix to the Lumia 900, I would disagree. Except for the camera, everything else has been a pretty nice step forward on the Lumia.
  • i understand the above article from a strategic point of view. however has anybody got a crystal ball. and as the saying goes dont put all your eggs in one basket. i still wouldve left myself open to making symbian/android/bb/wp phones and if they didnt sell/take off then the company is not lost and the respective platform wouldve died a natural death, instead of being forceably killed off - i hope this is not the same fate for nokia, but with ms behind them i doubt it will be.
  • as far as i know, sometimes in business it's neccessary to put all your eggs in one basket, especially when u need to get out of a deep hole that you digged yourself, this is why CEOs get paid big bucks, otherwise it's actually pretty easy if you have the money to do all the options and just wait and see which one turns out
  • totally disagree with you nataku and there are too many examples throughout history to say, from betamax to hddvd. for me i hope it all works out for nokia so the manufacturers push each other to make the best products. but if it doesnt work out for nokia, what then? if i was nokia then id get out an android asap
  • I agree with you totally. It was a mistake to release WP7.5. Microsoft also announced WP8 way too early.
    Nokia should have go with symbian and meego/maemo longer and start cooperation with Microsoft not until WP8 is ready for consumer devices.
  • Not even this. Imagine a Nokia built Android Jellybean phone. Jellybean has virtually eliminated the persistent lag in most android phones and coupled with Nokia's excellent hardware would have guaranteed a hit. Nokia could have differentiated themselves by being the only Android OEM to use stock Android instead of an overlay. Sorry guys, Nokia made the wrong choice going with an infant platform
  • What an insane comparison. Jellybean is what-the fourth or fifth version of android and you say it's finally lag free? WP was lag free from the get-go!!
  • +1 Beautifully put!
  • Well lets look at the big android players in the US.
     Samsung
    HTC
    LG
    Sony
    Moto
     Other than sammy who else is making money off android all the other big android companies are losing cash.
     Moto was bought by google to save that company from bankruptcy.
     Who is to say if nokia went android they would have been able to make money in a market where it seems sammy rules
     They rolled the dice on WP. They admit they came to market too early. They probably announced WP partnership too early. If they had have worked on phones and then announced it this year with wp8 then it probably would have been a different story.
     Also I imagine that nokia has a deal similar to moto. MS will come in and buy if the company is really facing bankruptcy
  • No wait... android is at its 25th version. 2.2 and 2.3, for example, were majors release.
  • So so so true !! I had an HTC and it used to take ages just to go from my homescreen to my inbox whereas my Focus has been lag free till date. The best thing about WP is its simple unclustered lag free UI.
     
  • Hardware doesn't compete with android? Intel did a survey that said quad-core processors actually slowed android phones down because the extra processors weren't being used or not to their potential. What's the point in that? As a result battery life is reduced
  • Um. If I've said it once, I've said it a 1,000 times. In the U.S. the #1 thing holding back WP is VZW, Sprint and no prepaid. Well, VZW is about to become mostly a non-issue but Sprint may have to wait. They're too financially tied up with their Apple love fest. As for prepaid, well MS seems to be absolutely clueless. As well as WP runs on a single core, they should have launched with budget hardware on prepaid day one. Now, they're being beaten once again by Apple. A teenager could could run a better marketing campaign than MS has. And how many prepaid customers would WHOOP about their budget WP not being upgradeable to W8? Exactly! No body!
  • Time to buy Nokia stock? Buy low sell high. That's if they even get off the ground. I think that have potential. I'm sure they'll come around. Just very slowly.
  • I agree been buying Nokia stock from $5.00 per yes lost some money BUT! Microsoft nor the Finish Goverment will allow Nokia to go bust. Nokia has enough cash on hand to survie the summer until WP8 hits. Down the road this stock should be back top $10-15 or more and if they get bought out that would be the price range buying Nokia @$2.00 per is one good buy a risk indeed it is anything at the price is but the max reward is well worth the risk!
  • You do realize the Finnish government has said they won't bail out Nokia, right?
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47892454
  • Nice of you to try to unload your sinking shares, by duping others to get in.
    FYI, the Finnish government has already ruled out 'saving' Nokia, so that  option is off the table.
  • Are you kidding?!
    God no!!
    Nokia's quality hardware is a perfect match to Windows Phone elegant OS.
    Just like Samsung platicy phones are a perfect match to Android's cheesy interface! Tacky , bloated, and ugly!
  • Can't agree more with you! ;)
  • WP +1
  • The double Ozzy Osbourne effect. Cool.
  • Lol!
  • Lawl
  • Wp7.8 better deliver or my next phone will have to be a iPhone.
  • Wp7.8 is coming to all phones
  • I think he means "7.8 better be good" or at least "good enough". Seems an odd thing to say. "If 7.8 is not good, I'm going to go buy a brand new iPhone, re-buy all my apps and re-learn everything" when instead he could buy a Windows Phone 8 device (he's already buying a new phone), get 18 months of support and a method to install updates manually from Microsoft, even OTA updates.
  • War the f**** is wrong with him?. If he's tryin to be cool. I can honestly tell he's not
  • +1 to Daniel. Why not see what crazy cool devices Nokia is bringing
  • Seems like a totally clueless comment. WP7.8 better deliver what? It's not even clear what he wants, that is even possible. Most WP8 features are hardware/kernel dependent.
  • That's smart thinking outside the box. But most go with a fan or what's popular at that time. I dropped Apple when Windows came out with its first phone on Verizon. Now have a Lumia 900 and will get the Windows 8 Phone when released. The OS with the new Kernel us ahead of its time.
  • Right!
  • If 7.8 doesn't introduce a proper backup and restore feature going to iOS wouldn't be any more hassle then going to WP8. Should I be happy that Nokia and Microsoft killed off my brand new hero phone because WP8 uses the EUFI bios? Should I be happy that if I buy a new device I have to set it up from scratch, lose any application settings and any save games? Or should I buy an iPhone 5 and restore my backup from April, leaving me ready to go and no hassle? Even then, I was never burnt in the 3 years I owned my 3Gs by apple, but have been severely burnt by Microsoft and Nokia in 3 months I have owned a Lumia, which I bought on launch in my country. Microsoft and Nokia, introduce backup and restore, or I hope your product flounders and dies. Even then without some kind of discount for the people you ripped off, there's a good chance myself and many others will go back to iPhone.
  • I think it is well established that 7.8 is a UI update, mostly. I am extremely excited for wp8. If that is all that it takes you chase you away from something as revolutionary as wp8, then good riddance. There are tons of android phones that never got updates, due to the carriers just not caring.
  • Fuck of troll
  • You might not like what he has to say, but he does have a point. I also think that this 7.8 thing has been blown out proportion. I think the majority of the apps will run o both for years. I think there is a problem with decent apps. In both Android and iPhone there's usually an app for what you are looking for and it works good. Here, the app usually doesn't work well if it exists at all. I give you a simple timer app.
  • Really? Because Super Timer works wonderfully.
  • And what if Apple decides to change the iOS
    kernel in two years? The truth is that you cannot compare our situation to the situation on iOS because we are in a unique position. If wp8 ran on the current kernel and cuffent phones still wouldn't get it, then you can say MS abandonned its users but you cannot say that Apple has never burned their users like MS because Apple has never done anything like this.
  • I beg to differ there. Apple is king of leaving users behind. For example, the switch from powerPC chips to Intel. They supported the old systems for a couple of years with OS updates but come Snow Leopard they removed all support for PowerPC based systems. The next OS, Lion, removed all Rosetta support. That had allowed older software, written to run on PowerPC based systems to run on Intel systems. Gone. The fancy new MacBook Pro? There isn't much "pro" left. Not only did they completely drop the 17 inch model, they removed the optical input and output (which were inside the headphone and line in jack so they can't even claim space was an issue). DVD drive. Gone. Don't even mention Blu-Ray. The advanced Mac OS doesn't even support it. The Ethernet port? Well you can buy a $30 adapter if you want that. So, "pros" have to carry a portable drive and Ethernet adapter. Gone too is the Firewire port that they forced on people. Now it's all about Thunderbolt. That too is a kick in the pants for pros who need the power of the once mighty Mac Pro desktop. It just had a refresh and guess what? It still sells for a professional price but is far from it. Thunderbolt? Nope. Maybe later. But it has Firewire! Intel's newest processors? Try again. Xeon here folks. You can spec one out for $50,000 (try it. I did.) but you won't see Blu-Ray in it. I saved my favorite for last. This is still a rumor but if it's true I hope people finally see Apple for what they are... Again, this is RUMORED but pics of the coveted iPhone 5 have surfaced showing a very small port where Apple's 30-pin connector should be. Can you imagine all of the charging cables and accessories that would have to be replaced?! The built-in iPhone adapters on stereos and in some cars would be useless. Knowing Apple's history I tend to believe it. I have an old PowerPC Mac Pro I bought just after they announced they would be no more. (I got it fairly cheap. $1,800) I also have a 17 inch MacBook Pro and an iPod. I know first hand how they operate and can't wait to get away from them. I don't see many more Apple products in my future.
  • +1 on the backup and restore. Not having it won't cause me to defect but it is sorely needed. I have had some issues with my Lumia and am now on my third one since April. Although I am becoming a pro at rebuilding my phones apps, settings, groups, email, fb, twitter accounts, etc. It sucks! I have been with WP since launch in Nov. 2010 and have amassed tons of apps. I am tired of reinstalling ONE APP AT A TIME. And losing all my texts and call history. I had a Mac program with an old HTC Windows Mobile phone that saved all of that to my computer... Anyway, yes. We need software that can restore a replaced phone!
  • Exactly. Those statements are nothing but failed logic.
  • Lol troll 
  • Totally agree, I'm gonna drop my windows phone and go back to an iPhone. MS totally missed the point of collaborating with Nokia. The phone is great, but more emphasis should have been placed on apps first.
  • Love the article. In dying to see what wp8 is coming
  • Agree. Mostly ms would buy nokia and become a hardware maker. But it's bad for Samsung and htc aha huawei
  • I totally agree. Better be wp8 n.1 with progressive market share increase, than android n.2 or 3 fighting with Sammy forever.
  • Nokia needs to be a leader if it's going to remain a distinct entity. It has a chance to be that with WP, instead of an Android also-ran. If Nokia's investors can keep thier cool, everything will be fine.
  • In the short term I think that the Android strategy would have worked out much better for Nokia. To start with WP7 wasn't ready for prime time. The hardware limitations and missing popular apps from the market makes it hard for anyone to thrive. Windows Phone has yet to capture the imagination of the market in any real way.  Nokia could have put out a highend Android device on every carrier. Verizon and Sprint have yet to push Windows Phone and to this day only have one device in thier line up.  With Windows Phone Nokia is playing to a limited market.  Another main point is that going with Android wouldn't have stopped Nokia from building Windows Phones as well. The point is to make money, right? If Windows Phone 8 brings about a huge change for Nokia fortunes then we can say the made a good choice but for now the answer has to be NO! It's like that old saying "a bird in the hand beats two in the bush". I have to think that going Android would be a bird in the hand and conversely going Windows Phone is two in the bush, yes?  I'm looking forward to WP8 and if the right apps are there I will be getting one!  I've grown tired of Android and I'm not a fan of the IPhone, but certains apps have become a part of my everyday life. These are very popular apps and I know that two of them are already coming.  So we'll see!!!
  • Completely disagree. This is definitely a long term strategy for Nokia, and saying that it's failed less than a year after its first phone has launched is just stupid. Nokia has to become known as the best WP OEM pre WP8 when the next influx of consumers arrive. To launch an Andorid line at the same time would remove focus from the company, and cause Nokia to become fragmented before a real push.
  • That's what he's saying, WP is a long term win, but android would be good for a short term win. He makes great points, and I agree with him hopefully W8P will hit the consumers hard.
  • In enterprise it will. Becuase basically everyone in the world uses wimdows for enterprise. So suspect a lot of people getting a wp for business. But guys until wp8 comes out. Which is not that long fall. October or September. We need to get wp8 Asa to as much people as possible ok.
  • And I'm saying that if Nokia had dual launched WP and Android then I don't believe that either of them would be the best on l their respected OS's. We already know that apps aren't easy to port so we would have less apps but the same ones on both from Nokia, or one with lots and one with none. A dual launch would have divided Nokia, it would have gotten less support from Microsoft because it wouldn't be an exclusive partner and the same questions would have been raised. Realistically Nokia had three choices, die with Symbian/MeeGo, get lost in a crowded Android marketspace, or try and rebuild some brand credibility (especially in the US) and gain some solid footing for a WP8 brand relaunch. That's where I disagree with the original poster, on the point of launching Android phones also.
  • Thanks for getting my point (I think you were talking about me?).  I want Windows Phone to be great as everything I own has always been Microsoft until I went Android because I couldn't get a good Windows Phone on Sprint.  I have Win Mobile before and I had to get off of that OS. I am a Xbox guy and I actually have a Samsung Focus that I bought and I use it on wifi to play the games and get my gamer score!! :-)
  • +1. People need to look at long term and I believe that's the route Nokia is taking. I fully believe they made the right decision going with Windows phone vs. Android.
  • Nokia had no relationship with any U.S. carrier not much more than a year ago. With Android, carriers would have never let Nokia join the party. And even if one did, Nokia would be kissing butt just to get a phone on display.
    But because carriers deperately want a third ecosystem, they ket Nokia in and have even chosen to cooperate with them. Well, at least most carriers have. At the end of the, for carriers it's all about the money. Not the service, not the platforms, not the customers. Just the money. Three solid ecosystems creates a more cuthroat environment, which is good for the carriers, and indirectly, good for all of us.
  • Samsung is widely regarded as one of the best builders of phones out there, or at least the best phone that isn't an iPhone (for people of those persuasion). They build the cream of the crop of android phones, but in the long run, they are one injunction away from being unable to even sell devices...look at the lawsuits between Apple and Samsung.
    Google certainly isn't stepping up to support their partners, and phones come and go in a minute in Android. For a company trying to regain their mojo like Nokia, I still think partnering with Microsoft will be more beneficial in the long run.
    The Lumia 900 is just a fantastic phone. And once WP8 comes out, the 900 will still be a great phone, even if it doesn't have the newest WP OS.
    If WP8, running the full NT kernal, is resource hungry, then the diminished performance on existing hardware would be just as much of a problem as not getting the update at all.
  • The Vanity Fair piece on Microsoft is pretty dead-on. If Microsoft ditches Nokia and comes back to buy its parts for scrap, MS will never play any role in mobile again. Nokia will be the straw that broke the public opinion's back.
  • As a consumer of Nokia product's, I'd rather an Osborne effect that includes transparency about the future of the product that I'll be spending my money on vs a company that hides the truth till the last second just to make a few extra bucks.If anything this just furthers my resolve that Nokia is a good company and will ensure that I continue to buy products from them in the future.
  • +1
  • A former Apple exec says Nokia should not have gone Windows Phone? Uh not surprised!
  • +1 lol
  • Well, he left Apple in 1990, making him not so relevant regarding their iPhone days. Moreover, I think we put aside who his employer was and just look at his arguments. 
  • I was really making light of his anti Microsoft days that he's probably still holding onto lol
  • Here's my question... what's he do now? On Wikipedia, apparently the last thing the man did was in 2010 and that was what this story was about- tell Nokia to ditch Symbian and pick up Android...depending on when this took place in 2010, Windows Phone might not even have been launched yet...
    I'm sorry to say, but when his biggest title was exec of Apple from 1981-90 (when the majority of people didn't even have a home computer), I think we can and should ignore his comments. The real question is why Nokia went to him for advice in 2010... the BeOS he was making was even more niche than Linux.
    Do you call upon an "expert" from the 1980's to consult on your 2010's company? Even if he is geeky, looking at his Wikipedia page leaves a lot to be desired in my eyes if I am looking to get a professional opinion.
  • I'm not surprised there is another rotten apple floating round. I guess he forsee that all Android OEM will be dealing with Apple's like the one happening with Samsung Galaxy tablet and Nexus just sitting and can't be sold, and the rest of the world will be using a useless icon that doesn't do anything until you open the apps.
  • SCREW THEM! OF COURSE THEY WANT TO SEE MICROSOFT FAIL, I AM SICK TO DEATH OF THESE STOOPIDS AND THEIR NEGATIVITY!! NOKIA LUMIA WINDOWS PHONE IS TEH BEST EVAR!!! >=O
  • Lol
  • I bought into WP - specifically Mango. I came really close to getting in with a Focus Flash. But when I saw the Lumia 900 I knew I could wait =). So now for me it's the best combo of beautiful UX/UI and stylish phone.
  • Why these articles...seems weird to me I guess.
  • Going android i think wouldnt have saved nokia anyway, they were tumbling down before WP deal and prior to Elop as well. 
    High risk high reward for Nokia, go big or go home and if WP fails, they are continuing the trend before Elop and the WP deal, if WP8 hits, Nokia is back in the game in a significant way being the flagship device for WP8. 
  • Here:
  • The mistake Nokia made was the same mistake that MS and RIM made- in 2009, they didn't understand that in the future, mobile meant touch based devices that were always connected to a rich, full ecosystem.  By the time Elop got there that die was already cast, and then it was a matter of trying to pull out of a dive they had just started.  Lets say they had gone with Android- that would have meant spending even more money on ecosystem, and not to mention either making a new front end or trying to fit the N9's into something.  And nothing in the Nokia portfolio was ready for the US- they would have had to license music, movies, etc.  And all of this they would have had to do with their own capital.  And all of this on top of the marketing money they still woudl have had to spend.
    The only real mistake that the current leadership made, was banking(hoping) that Symbian would make enough in the developing countries to keep a revenue stream while the WP program wound up.
    IMO, if Nokia had gone with Android, unless they would have stepped in and literally sold tens of millions of phones a month, they would probably have a even worse balance sheet.
    Their problems started over 3 years ago, and had nothing to do with WP or Android.
     
     
  • Even if they were the best Android OEM, they would still have difficulty making a profit. See HTC.
  • Nokia will be the leader with Windows Phone 8. They have many exclusive apps for their Lumia series and more coming. They just need to survive until Windows Phone 8 released.
  • I agree with everything Daniel said and implied. Its going to be a painful summer for Nokia but they are going to be a lot better off in the medium and long term going with WP. If WP8 turns out like we think then Nokia is going to essentially own the best mobile OS without having to invest any development into it. I also think they held back on trying to duplicate the AT&T campaign knowing the phones were likely not going to get the full WP8 but they will be prompting high-end devices on many of the world's carriers wirh WP8 and beyond. Another important factor is Verizon--I think they are going to go bog with WP8 which will be a big boost. Then there is the synergy of Nokia's upcoming W8 tablets with their WP8 phones and the awesome Purview sensors to come. I hope no one makes a play for Nokia and forces Microsoft to step in. Why doesn't Microsoft buy a truckload of Nokia stock? Nokia just has to keep its independence until it starts rocking the world with WP8 superphones with PureView and W8 tablets and then their stock should rake off--it would be a great investment MS.
  • They could do what they did with apple and buy a ton of non-voting stock and agree not to sell it for a while.
  • hahha what a joke one apple executive said should have chosen android instead? Sure maybe tell that to Steven Wozniak who purchased a wp lumia 900 and said he rather get a windows phone over an android LOL...
  • Having seen The Amazing Spider-Man yesterday, did a double-take on The Osbourne Effect. Maybe we'll see Batman whip out his Bat-Lumina in the coming days. ;)
  • WP was the only way to go for Nokia. It was a brave and brilliant move. I'm buying Nokia stock now. Btw, no worries! kiddori will work on WP8 as well. ;-)
  • If Nokia would have gone with Android it would just be a small player like ZTE, Sony, LG and others. Samsung is the king of Android and HTC is is pretty big too. I think Nokia should have just waited for Windows Phone 8 because WP7.5 is too Dan restricted.
  • But they are making good progress on their phones. And ms would not let any one go near Nokia at all. But if Nokia launches a pureview windiws phone. Then it would no doubt gain a lot of traction
  • Remember Microsoft gave Nokia millions of dollars for marketing and developer support. I dont think Google would of done that. Plus they would have to pay patent royalties to MS
  • Please, please proofread articles. Constantly I see misspellings and extra or missing words, it really detracts from the air of professionalism that the site should be striving for.
  • Agreed. But, I must say, at least it's nowhere near as elementary as WMPUser. That site sometimes hurts to read, lol.
  • Yes, the problems started earlier, with Nokia missing the "touch phone for everyone-train".
    BUT! The same day Elop made the announcement about the partnership, the share went down 10 %. And after that, it has fallen even faster then before WP commitment!
    I cant understand how they can do the same mistake twice. First, with Symbian as their current platform, they killed it before having any replacement. Now with WP7, they killed it and they havent even announced a WP8 device.
    And dont give me that, "only nerds care about upgrades", even though WP8 looked very promising at the MS annoucement, the share fell over 12 % that day because of the no upgrade to WP8 for the Lumias.
    One word. F - A - I - L.
  • Go away troll. Your not cool. And don't even try
  • Its not true, wp8 SDK will be compatible with wp7.1, so 99% of future apps will be perfectly compatible.
  • The first mistake Nokia made was to think that it would be easy to make the Symbian owners go the WP route because of the Nokia logo at the phone. But as the first smartphone OS, Symbian had a widespread customer base at enterprises and along tech people.
    I have a Nokia N8, from 2010, which got an update to the latest Symbian OS earlier this year, more then 18 months after its release. Symbian surely has its flaws, its not as user friendly or fast as WP and since Nokia announced the partnership with MS it does not get any new apps. But it has a shell in metal, a 12 MP camera with xenon flash, only beaten by the pure view, HDMI out with 720p and Dolby Digital surround, I can pair my Nintendo Wii remote and control the phone while acting as a media center connected to the TV. It has SD card, great sync options, really good calendar, customizable start screens, notification center, file manager, bluetooth transfer, USB OTG for usb stick, keyboard or mouse, FM transmitter... and killer battery life.
    Take this TWO YEAR OLD phone and compare it to the brand new Lumia 900. Has Nokia been traveling backwards in time hardware wise?
    Is it a coincidence that while Symbians market share has decreased rapidly, Android has been growing and not WP?
    They did not only fail to take customers from iOS and Android, they failed to keep their current ones. Thats why Nokia is at all time low right now...
     
  • What good is it having the hardware that your Symbian phone has if the current WP OS doesn't support it? WP8 can support all that hardware you speak of and I'm sure Nokia will have an awesome phone for it.
  • That was my point, but the opposite. Why go for an OS that does not support the current hardware and features? I am sure Nokia can and will make a great WP phone, but why place all eggs in one basket...
  • Lol!  Hi, N8 user here.  You can give the rote laundry list that Symbian fanatics like to spout off - USB OTG, HDMI, BT File transfer, etc., but I'd wager than many consumers don't give an iota that that functionality is there.  Nice to have features - sure; desired by many - I highly doubt it.
     
    Truth be told, Nokia was losing fans to Android (and to some extent iOS) long before the Microsoft partnership was announced.
     
    I am probably the most eag