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Google to Microsoft: Remove your YouTube App from the Windows Phone Store [Update]

Last week the official YouTube app for Windows Phone received a major overhaul. Version 3.0 of the app brought some awesome Windows Phone 8 features like the ability to play under Lockscreen, download videos for offline play, pinnable channels and more. It went from web-wrapper to awesome with the recent update. Google now wants the app removed from the Store for violating YouTube’s API and Terms of Service.

Francisco Varela, YouTube’s Director for Global Platform Partnerships, sent a letter to Todd Brix. The latter (attached/linked below) asks for Microsoft to remove the YouTube app from the Store by Wednesday, May 22. Not just remove the app, but also disable existing downloads of the app. Aka, the “kill switch”, which (as far as we can remember) has only been used once before.

Here are three strikes against Microsoft according to Google.

  • Allows users to download videos from YouTube
  • Prevents the display of advertisements in YouTube video playbacks
  • Plays videos that our partners have restricted from playback on certain platforms (e.g., mobile devices with limited feature sets)

Here’s a choice quote from Varela specifically about removing ads from YouTube videos:

“Content creators make money on YouTube by monetizing their content through advertising. Unfortunately, by blocking advertising and allowing downloads of videos, your application cuts off a valuable ongoing revenue source for creators, and causes harm to the thriving content ecosystem on YouTube. In addition, your application overrides specific decisions made by some content creators to keep their content from displaying on certain types of devices, which in many cases are due to exclusive distribution arrangements those content creators have with third parties. YouTube’s agreements with creators give them choices in how their content is presented and distributed, and your application takes away that control.”

It’s understandable for Google to be upset at Microsoft for circumventing their ad revenue, but it would be nice for the two tech giants to play nice eventually. This isn’t the first time Windows Phone users have been shafted by the Mountain View company not willing to develop for the platform. We could list a dozen other examples, but the today we’re focused on YouTube. Earlier this year we learned that Microsoft has put the ball squarely in Google’s court to give a decent YouTube experience on Windows Phone.

Update: Microsoft is sending out a standard PR response on the matter, tossing the ball back into Google's court:

"YouTube is consistently one of the top apps downloaded by smartphone users on all platforms, but Google has refused to work with us to develop an app on par with other platforms. Since we updated the YouTube app to ensure our mutual customers a similar YouTube experience, ratings and feedback have been overwhelmingly positive. We'd be more than happy to include advertising but need Google to provide us access to the necessary APIs. In light of Larry Page's comments today calling for more interoperability and less negativity, we look forward to solving this matter together for our mutual customers."

You can view the letter right here.

Source: The Verge

681 Comments
  • Arseholes! Was needed
  • The moral of the story is download the app asap while it lasts.
  • Good Point!
  • They said it will be removed from devices by the kill switch.
  • google asked for it to be removed from devices, doesn't mean Microsoft will comply. 
  • That's true cant see ms being googles bitch some how
  • Even if they do, download the xap from your computer and you can sideload it if you have a xap manager and dev unlocked phone :D
  • How do you do that? I am on dev unlocked lumia 920.
  • Go to an app/game page on a computer and scroll all the way down the left column. You'll see "Download and install manually"
    YouTube:
    http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/youtube/dcbb1ac6-a89a-df11-a...
    Epic Battle Dude:
    http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/epic-battle-dude/51c8bd4d-7f...
  • It worked. Thanks.
    And F*** Google Now.
  • Hi,
    How did you dev unlock the Lumia? Is it fully unlocked and you can install xaps manually?
    Nilesh
  • You need to have a WP Dev account.
  • LOL, well played MS, well played. 
    http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4334956/microsoft-responds-to-youtube-...
     
     
  • Pure awesome. That's what that is...
  • Screw their android asses!!! Now these guys are getting on my nerves!! C'mon MS remove Skype from them!!!! :@ :@ :@ :@
  • Fuck wm
  • Removed from the store. Microsoft (afaik) cannot remotely delete individual apps on devices. Meaning, it will work untill a: the api it uses changes, or b: you uninstall the app/get a new phone/do a full reset
  • It is definitely possible for Microsoft to do this. As mentioned in the article, Microsoft have done this before with pirated software.
  • Yes!
  • +620 for this.
  • I see what you did there. :)
  • +1000 dont forget to download the xap file for backup.
  • Done!
  • Way I see it, if Google wanted revenue from Youtube vidoes on Windows Phone, they would of had an offical app out on day one. Instead they been missing out snice 11/8/2010, why care now?
     
     
  • Good point.
    I wonder if MetroTube is next
  • MetroTube seems to be within TOS compliance based on my usage of it. This isn't about Google not wanting YouTube on WP, they just want it on their terms.
  • - MetroTube blocks ads
    - MetroTube allows downloads
     
    That's two of Microsoft's three transgressions
  • how to want it on their terms when they refuse to make one app for wp8?
  • Exactly. All they want here is to screw over people who use Microsoft platforms. They don't care about anything else at all. Especially content creators.
  • Haha they care because the Wp app looks and performs way better than any android shit they have produced ...
  • THIS
  • Yes exactly. Why do they care what we WP users do?
  • "Not just remove the app, but also disable existing downloads of the app."
  • I know right? You really think the 200 people that have windows phones really make a difference In the add revenue? WP is such a small userbase. It's not even 1% of people who use YouTube.
  • Is a small market, but is way larger than 200 users.  Something tells me Microsoft does not want to play by Google's terms (since they own youtube, gmail, google+ and others).  If Microsoft wants Google apps, do it the right way.
  • Its not Microsoft, google doesn't want to make its apps on WP, which is why MS took matters into their own hands with this app. Google's response would be understandable if they were willing to provide a solution (an app with all the iOS features). We don't particularly mind if it plays ads or not. The part where google becomes unreasonable is where it essentially says it is giving content providers the option to block their videos on WP, while no doubt allowing them on the other platforms. The problem is that google won't develop an app and they won't give Microsoft access to the same APIs android and iOs get to make their own app. Sounds like google is abusing their monopoly on free internet video to prevent the success of WP. Here's what I encourage you all to do. Watch YouTube on metrotube for WP/windows 8 or use adblock addon for Firefox. Don't watch another YouTube ad until google gives us a satisfactory solution. You could also use adblock/IE10s inbuilt blocking to kill every google ad if you're feeling inclined.
  • fair points dukrem.
  • Yeah that makes sense right, so a person like me who has a partnered channel would never see a dime of money if people did that and it's already difficult now with how bad Youtube has become.
  • Invalid point 1 youtube has a mobile version in jtml5 that works with almost anyphone or platform. This also invalidatea your third point. On the note of your see edd cond point that its okay for microaoft to do what they did, what your saying is its okay for microaoft to steal code? Like they dos with linux code? Pther platforms you say do yoy even know that content providers block mobile as in windows, ANDROID, ios and others. IOS has a youtube app yes but do you rmember when they didnt? Someone custom made one until google made their own but they followed the rules. Agaon even in your last linea USE THE MOBILE PAGE. And as a not by ypur definition anyone shpuld ne able to steal microsoft office becuase its over priced and yoy need it to veiw files all the time. 
  • Learn to spell.
  • Use your real name
  • I think you don't fully understand the situation... most of your arguments are strawmen. MS has had a full featured app ready since the beginning of WP7. Google merely needs to allow MS to access the metadata in the same way they allowed Apple to access it, but haven't for two and a half years. MS goes ahead and uses the same method 3rd party apps on all mobile platforms. Google doesn't like this BECAUSE it's Microsoft, and no other reason. Evidence for this can be seen in the fact that 3rd party YouTube apps on all the platforms operate using the same methods as the MS one. Google is opening itself up for antitrust here, because it's potentially leveraging it's dominance in online video delivery in an anticompetitive way against a competitor in another market. This has NOTHING to do with software piracy. PS: is Johnson5 REALLY your last name?
  • "what your saying is its okay for microaoft to steal code?"
    Unless I'm mistaken nearly every manufacturer of Android devices have agree to pay MS for each device sold because Andriod ignores MS patents. Who is doing the code stealing?...
  • http://htmlgiant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/retard_keyboard.gif I found a picture of you!
  • I want to know more about this IE blocking feature you're talking about.
  • look up internet explorer tracking protection lists, should bring you to a MS site with click-to-install lists. Install AdBlock, Fanboys, and Abine lists.
    You should see most ads disappear (or at least unable to load images in some cases)
    It's a great, light, built-in feature, and speeds up the web quite a bit.
  • It's exactly this reasoning that I find SOME kinds of music "piracy" acceptable.  Generally, I believe artists should be paid for the work they do.  However, there are COUNTLESS older albums that are no longer in production and you can't buy them anyway.  In fact, many vinyl projects never made it to CD, or did for such a ridiculously short run it was as if they never were on CD.  If someone chooses to makes something for a limited set of customers or not at all, then I have no problem getting it through a third party.  The very argument that groups like Google use for attacking Microsoft or other third-party developers is "lost revenue".  The fact is they can't lose what they never intended to sell.  If the refuse to make a WP version, then they can't claim potential revenues.  They therefore lose nothing when a third-party works up an app.  Instead of being ignorant and evil and LAZY what they should do is BUY the best of the third-party apps and rebrand it for themselves.  The typcial complaint from these mental midgets is that the cost of developing a WP app for "so few users" is that it's cost-prohibitive.  Well, then buy one that has already been created!
  • You are correct. If MS would have made the app and complied with the terms, there wouldn't be an issue. All MS needs to do is allow ads to play and remove download. I think either the dev team at MS was trying to show Google up on how an app should be made or they are purposely pushing Google's buttons to see what kind of reaction they get.
  • Not true because MS went around Goople to have the app run. Since goople doesn't want to give MS the APIs to have it work properly. If I was MS I wouldn't give google any API on Windows and see how chrome and all there crap would work then.
  • I dont think its a matter of MS not allowing the ads. Sounds like its Youtube not allowing MS access to the APIs to allow the ads, then demanding the ad be pulled because it doesnt show the ads.
  • Go into the Youtube App(The app in question). Go to Settings<About<Privacy Statement. It says the app was created used API's made publically available by Youtube. Why do so much people say MS is not allowed access to the APIs?
  • I hope you are aware that there are many APIs invovled and MS is not given access to a lot of them. Heck they even released a statement saying they do not have the API that allows them to show ads so there you go
  • http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/legal/youtube-app-privacy-statement
  • There is a level of metadata that YouTube made available to Apple so that APPLE could make native app for iOS, before Google started building it themselves. This data isn't available to any other 3rd party developer. To enable ads, MS needs Google to either build the app themselves or allow the MS app to access this metadata. It would cost Google nothing to allow MS to access this data, and it would enable ads on WP devices, as well as allow MS to build a native WinRT app that would-be more engaging than the website, while serving up the ads so YouTube content creators rely upon for revenue.
  • Yea but to google the user base is 200 :P
  • maybe he thinks that 200 means 200 million people LOL
  • google not willing to give the advert api for microsoft to add the adverts and ms can disable the download anytime so what seems the problem? Problem is with google refusing to make a app for wp8 and now Ms make one to satistfy customers but Google just doesn't want them to have it at all
  • 200 people? Lol So Nokia's statements that millions of Lumia's been sold aren't true? Lol
  • Does no one understand sarcasm?
  • Too late to get out of it lol
  • Since Google doesn't see WP as a lucrative market, due to small userbase. Yes, 200 sounds about right. :P
  • I think this is a sign that Google does feel threatened by WP. If they didn't, then I doubt they would have been so prompt in sending a cease and desist with a date as well as demanding them to use the kill switch. Just my opinion though.
  • Google doesn't neccesarily feel threatened.  They just have beef with Microsoft.  MS get's a percentage of every Android device sold.  I'm sure Google doesn't like that and they'll do everything within their power to aggrevate MS.  If I were Microsoft I'd ensure Skype was unplayable on all Android devices, or provide them a watered down version.  Also I wouldn't make any Office products available either.  But I'm sure those are money makers for MS so they wouldn't go that route.  But I would.
  • They get a cut out of every Android device because google decided to provide features on Android which are patented my Microsoft without licensing them from MS. That way they left it on the OEMs to pay for it instead of themselves. Nothing wrong with microsoft getting the money. Now if google has a grudge just because MS holds those patents, I would say there is nothing more childish than that...
  • no one should return stupidity with stupidity, ms make apps for android and ios some times even faster than they do for their own products, google just got the big head google still make most of it ad money from ms win 98, win 7, win 8 etc there probably wouldn't have even been a google if they didn't make money off ms, their just being silly, even if it was just 200 people they should still support it cause they are a search engine, and YouTube before they brought it was on every platform that's why they are a success.
  • You are absolutely ON POINT Electric Jack. Absolutely.  Google is already worried about the Samsung juggernaut. They don't want to share ad revenue with Sammy as it is and they are looking at Microsoft's share of the Smart Phone market of which they gets NO ad revenue.  Its BALMER TIME!
  • Its BALMER TIME!!!!!!!!! EPIC!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care about anything else you said but that. THANK YOU MAKING MY DAY
  • Saying that there are only 200 Windows Phone owners makes me ignore the rest of your comment and disregard it as useles.. Sorry but you can't expect to be taken seriously with comments like this.
  • hahaha
  • go away troll. We are talking millions of people here so yes it would make a difference to revenue from ads.
  • http://oi39.tinypic.com/8z2ttd.jpg
  • 201, my Nokia Lumia 920 arrived this week. Also, if you're so anti- Windows Phone, why are you on a Windows Phone site? Sorry, I shouldn't feed the trolls.
  • Who said I was anti-MS? I'm actually a big MS fan. I always try to get people to get a WP and Xbox. If you can't make fun of yourself, then you shouldn't be able to have an opinion, because you are already one sided to begin with. People need to ease up on the fanboyism and look at things from the other side of the fence sometimes. Live a little. Laugh a little.
  • at almost 7% of the market within 6 months of being released i would say you know nothing and should actually get a windows phone 8 device and check it out. I am still an android fan comparing android to the iphone but Microsoft has done something special here and if you have not tried it you are missing the future.
  • Check my profile, you people are way too serious on here.
  • MS knows a thing or two about being on the receiving end of antitrust complaints. Look for that to be the counterargument.
  • True, Google is jealous of Microsoft!
  • +infinity!!
  • Microsoft's response http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4334956/microsoft-responds-to-youtu...
  • Not a smart move :D
  • If MS used public APIs, then Google can go f*** themselves.
  • It's really no different (from my point of view) than a user embedding videos on their site... I don't recall ever seeing ads that way, so what's the problem? If your API allows it, then it can't be a problem.
  • Embedded YouTube videos does show ads. If Microsoft was to change those three things I wonder if Google would still ask for them to remove the app or maybe Google is working on their own WP8 YouTube app (I doubt it.)
  • The things is I don't even think MS is able to show ads in their app. No other YouTube app on the marketplace can and neither does the mobile site.
  • We need petitions to urge the EU and US government to have Google investigated by the anti trust regulators. Their behaviour is worse than Bell System and 1990s Microsoft.
  • Really? Thats what your going with microsoft wold'nt evem allow people to veiw their own documwnts if the didnt pay let alone one other systems. You cam still use a mobile veiw on get ready; youtube.com
  • Not with every video though, was going through the site a few days ago and kept getting "This video isn't available mobile - Add to playlist to watch it later on a PC." while the app doesn't give that warning, it just plays without any problems.
  • Actually Microsoft offers web versions of Word, Excel, etc.  These work on any device with a web browser.
  • Either stop replying from your mobile device, or proofread your comments first. jeesh.
  • the whole point. mr. know it all, is that microsoft isn't running on open api's. google does hence open source. now google has a ios app and android app and even a blackberry app but no app for wp. you see where this is going don't you? exactly, you're right blackberry marketshare is less then wp, but they have a youtube app. but for wp google says we can get to it from the mobile browser.
  • the whole point. mr. know it all, is that microsoft isn't running on open api's. google does hence open source. now google has a ios app and android app and even a blackberry app but no app for wp. you see where this is going don't you? exactly, you're right blackberry marketshare is less then wp, but they have a youtube app. but for wp google says we can get to it from the mobile browser.
  • d^ck move, goog.
  • Agreed. 
  • Yeah, wouldn't want content creators to make a living, would you?
  • Look into the api's, google hasn't made them available for use on WP, so m$ can't implement them, hence them not being on any of the other 3rd party apps
  • That has nothing to do with my comment in any way…
  • Google's complaint is understandable.
  • it isn't, cause they keep flip flopping over how important WP market share is. It's not important enough to support the platform, but important enough to cause material revenue damage? Because if this isn't material to them, all their doing this for is to simply slow down the WP platform
  • The revenue damage is towards the content partners. To them it doesn't matter what the market share is. If their video is being played without an ad when it should be, they have the right to complain to Google. Google has no choice here apart from making an app themselves.
  • Opportunity cost damage is just as much of damage to them as revenue damage, but something tells me google likely ignores one and listens to the other. If google made an app, these partners would have been making even more money, do you really think not a single content partner though about that? Once again comes down to the marketshare argument
  • Bull sh*t! It's revenue damage toward the advertisers, which is Google Ads driven, therefore it only really hurts Google when the advertisers take their business elsewhere.
  • Maybe you're unaware of it but a lot of people make a living out of their YouTube videos. That is only possible if their videos have ads on it.
  • You mean Google employees? No one gets money from ads but Google. Youtube is introducing subscription services soon, so no - ads aren't the only way to keep it free vs all that user data they sell can probably buy USA with that money.
  • Wrong! Publishers can make money by placing ads in their videos just like you can when placing ads on your website.
  • true, so I guess adblock on Chrome is fine then?
  • Not from a publisher's pov no, but it's their products so they pull the strings. The problem is that their is nothing that even comes close to being as good as AdSense. We need more competition in the web ad business. All other alternatives available to small businesses are pathetic.....but that's a different story.
  • No, there are lots of regular people out there whose jobs are making YT videos. They are essentially unemployed and out of a salary if their video ads are blocked.
  • You're kidding me right? Have you heard of VEVO? Or Linus Tech Tips? Or the million other channels that earn tons of money through their videos
  • 1. No app, or app with no ads, either way they're not making money from WP marketshare, if Google has content providers' best interests at heart they would have released an app for WP, allowing content providers a larger audience and more revenue.
    2. Other youtube apps on WP that dont' have ads have not received C&D. 
    3. There are apps that specifically block ads on other platforms, including Android and iOS, they once again take away money from content providers, but Google did not block those from at least the Android store.
    If you think Google is doing this with content developers' best interests you are being naive, because if they did, there would simply be a youtube app by them for WP platform. 
     
    This once again shows how Google flip flops. WP is too small yesterday, today it's significant. Microsoft Youtube app hurts content providers, but all other apps with the same functionality or apps that sole function is to block ads and takeaway revenues from content producers are fine. This isn't about two wrongs not making a right, this is about Google having double standards, and from what it looks like the sole purpose of this is to undermine the WP platform, nothing more, nothing less.
  • ^^This This This This That!!
  • Exactly.
    Their hope is for people to see that things aren't available on WP so they will choose another platform.
    Which is why I don my conspiracy theroy hat and say that they are behind instagram ignoring WP so far. IG's CEO (or owner?) is a former google employee.
     
     
  • i doubt that, since Instagram is owned by facebook, I believe MS still has a stake there, so there is a connection as well, not to mention that Facebook and Google are direct competitors.
  • ^ exactly
  • "No app, or app with no ads, either way they're not making money from WP marketshare"
     
    Nope - no app means you use the mobile website, which has adds. The Microsoft YouTube app is effectively a circumvention device and probably runs afoul of the DMCA.
  • Yes Google does take down apps. Tubemate for instance is a YouTube video donloader. You have to special install it. Its not on the market.
  • Well said. I couldn't if said it better myself!!
  • I'm perfectly aware, but if Google had their way NO ONE on Windows Phone would be viewing the YouTube video so there is no legitimate claim to "opportunity costs". Your arrow is aimed at the wrong target here. Google cares more about blocking Windows Phone than ad revenue for their content creators. They could EASILY build an app or provide the proper APIs for Microsoft to build it themselves. They've chose NOT to. Maybe you are unaware that if a YouTube viewer is not available for Windows Phone users that those people still won't be getting any ad money to make their living. Go yell at Google/Youtube...it's on them.
  • Wrong again it effects everybody that posts on YouTube. See windows is allowing downloading of videos which you can't even do on android. This affects the content producer every time you just rpeat the video or show it to a friend that friend should have to watch the ad and yes every time you veow it you should have to see an add or else you would have to pay for permanent copies like DVDs and it may suck.
  • You are telling me there is NOT ONE app out of 6000000000000 apps that Android boasts, that will let you download Youtube videos and block ads? I don't buy that idea.
  • you're constantly trying to justify one wrong act by comparing it with another wrong act. microsoft violated Google's 'terms of agreement'. It's as simple as that. YouTube isn't a charity.
  • it is if its running on chrome with adblock though right?
    also as far as I know the whole downloading issue is a little blown out of proportion. I  don't think you have the file actually stored somewhere to the extent that you can copy it and redistribute. I think its just caching for offline view, not downloading.
  • I was of the same idea. As much as I hate this stupid rivalry, blocking ads is literally taking away a primary source of money. Heck, that's how google really makes their money. Curse my conscience for siding with Google . . .
  • If your conscience is bothering by siding with Google you can pay retribution by choking yourself :-P
  • This.
  • But if google were interested in WP for its ad revenue surely google would make their own YouTube app. No, they're only interested in damaging WP.
  • +1. It's rather because they 'black-goated' Windows Phone as the competitor OS long ago, unlike the iOS. I don't know why they 'black-goated' it.
  • you are very right  my friend, google don't want wp8 to succeed. no youtube, no google apps, no instagram, no official facebook apps. but i think in a couple of years they will surpass android os in the mobile market. just as long as ms will not be complacent.
  • ...and then why they sold Androids to many vendors? Is that their main source of gaining their finance?
  • Google has no choice here apart from making an app themselves.
    That's not true.  Google could easily allow the MS app access to the same metadata as iOS and Android, with not cost, and the MS app wpuld be able to show ads.
     
    By not allowing this access, Google is cutting off it's nose to spite it's face.  So much for a company that believes in the open web.  Plain and simple.
  • This! Our measly marketshare can't have that much of an impact on poor wittle Google's wallet.
  • Has anyone here who has ever uploaded a video to YouTube ever seen a check from Google?
  • Lots of people make a living solely from YT videos.
  • I've never received a check. Ever. Are these people employees of YouTube?
  • No, just look it up. Have you implemented ads on your YT videos?
  • What's the difference between this and an ad-blocker for regular browsers going to YouTube?  The difference is... Google sees Windows Phone as a legitimate future threat.
  • Keep in mind too that their own android and chrome OS has ad blocking apps that do the same thing, but they haven't done anything about that either... Let alone chrome browser...
  • Actually they pulled off every ad blocking app on the play store. But adblock for chrome is still there...
  • That's it. We see that Google supports ads to be shown in the page, which makes some people (including me) frustrated. I'd like the way WhatsApp doesn't sell ads.
  • They better not take away adblock, a lot of virus are transferred through banner-ads.
  • No it isn't. Ad blocks have been around for years. Even on Chrome AND Android. They don't pull ad blockers on Android do they?
  • Two wrongs don't make a right. But yes, they should pull those too.
  • They should pull those first! Android is 70% market share. Even if 10% of that is blocking ads on phones, that's DOUBLE the WPs that maybe currently blocking ads!
  • you sir, get out of here with your logic and your scales!
  • hey, man, he's right!
  • lol, thanks captain!
  • They do pull out ad blockers… don't make up BS.
  • Boo google
  • Boo! Google, Boo!!
  • Woah! I think we need more info on this big brother kill switch.
  • Yes like if the device is off for a few days will it still kill the app after the phone goes back online.
  • Worse than the next Xbox being always on, is the idea MS or any company can delete my digital purchased or free goods from my phone or PC or game console or pmp.
  • That isn't new though. Amazon did the same when they sold an unlicensed version of 1984. Killswitch is a last resort.
  • lets hope a killswitch helps us stop skynet in the future :P
  • lol!
  • Next Xbox will not have an always on feature they already cleared that up.
  • http://gamerant.com/microsoft-adam-orth-resigns-always-on/ FYI
  • It is there probably for more than just these reasons, but two of them are security and piracy. Every app has a security certificate, and the app won't work without it. If MS determines that an app is malicious, they revoke the cert. Likewise of an app violates law. I'm sure they have other cases, but these are the two that come to mind now.
  • This is such BS!!! Google just jealous WP8 has been getting Better and giving us the Consumer quality apps. F U Google!!
  • LOL I love these rage fits on topics like these.
  • Dear Google,
    Then release an official YouTube app.
    Sincerely,
    Your customers on Windows Phone
  • So let me get this straight google wants Microsoft to shutdown the YouTube app and they haven't even hinted at making one for us. If I were making the decisions at Microsoft I wouldn't remove it. Let them cry all they want....
  • Then there is a legal battle. That makes MS look bad for stealing Google's property
  • If there's a Legal Battle - All that will happen is we will Legally find out that Google is an Evil Company, then be forced to either make an app themselves or allow MS more access
    Either way is will hurt Google more than anything else.
  • Yeah, how evil! Google is trying to make money!
  • Google would certainly be steering into antitrust waters, something that most people with XKCD avatars and coding usernames would normally be concerned about, except they've bought Google's "don't be evil" BS hook, line and sinker.
  • Nice, one person finally understands my username and avatar :)
  • Then comes the major lawsuit that MSFT has been holding in their back pocket for the last few years about Android.
  • public api googles whole adroid is based off them linix , unix, etc as is ios, if ms was stilling google api we wouldnt have this problem be cause their trying to wait on google is why we have this problem
  • Haha I also thought that. First I even didn't know the app was not from Google. Because most of the apps which are made by Microsoft and the company of the app (like Facebook) are published by Microsoft themselves. But what google does is outstanding. They could have asked if they would change the app so it won't violate there terms, but no. Google is playing the hard way...
  • Microsoft HAS asked. Google won't play nice.
  • Thought monopolies were against the law. This is not 1918.
  • THIS
  • Um... no
  • Monopolies, not monopoly kid. . . That's ok, anyone could've easily got them mixed up. :|
  • + me
  • This!
  • Google can suck a fat one
  • AGREED!
  • You think they don't do that already? Where do you think the colors in the logo come from??? haha
    I kid of course, I actually would like them better if they were gay. They would be nicer. :P
  • Ha ha ha.
  • Probably takes lessons from you....bwahahahaha
  • At least we know one thing: Windows Phone is now big enough to get Google's attention.
  • And yet none of the Youtube apps I've used on Windows Phone have played ads. Go figure.
     
    Do the iOS and Android versions of Youtube play ads?
  • yes they all do, MS can circunvent Google's acusations by not allowing user to download the videos (there are other apps for that anyway) and just let the viedos show with the ad like iOS and Android version does.
  • Seems like the most mature way to respond, but I vote for telling Google to f**k themselves.
  • I concur. They want to go to war with Microsoft. I say let them. Want Google to be crushed!
  • BRING IT ON!!
  • The problem with your comment is assuming that MS is DELIBERATELY blocking YouTube ads with their app, which is far from the truth. There is a level of metadata that YouTube made available to Apple so that APPLE could make native app for iOS, before Google started building it themselves. This data isn't available to any other 3rd party developer. To enable ads, MS needs Google to either build the app themselves or allow the MS app to access this metadata. It would cost Google nothing to allow MS to access this data, and it would enable ads on WP devices, as well as allow MS to build a native WinRT app that would-be more engaging than the website, while serving up the ads so YouTube content creators rely upon for revenue. That's the real issue here.
  • My question exactly. Om going to ask my brother and my friend to see...
  • I'm done with Google. My Gmail logon is DEAD to me.
  • my gmail is only used for spam...which is mostly from google
  • LOL
  • This past winter I put auto-reply on my "human" gmail account, telling people of my new Outlook.com email address. My non-human gmail account continues to accrue spam, as I never check it anymore.
  • I don't even use shitty g mail lol
  • Such hypocrites lol adblock's been on chrome for years and they never did shit about it
  • AND on Android!
  • Well if Google weren't dicks and Actually released an app themselves this would happen
    (i personally Don't use YouTube but this surely affects almost all Windows Phone 8 users)
     
     
  • Google really are a joke!
  • Is not as simple as that. It takes negotiations as it did for iOS, and Blackberry at some level.
  • Blackberry Dont have a app its a link to the Mobile site (my freind is a Blackberry user)
  • Fuck Google, a rotten company. Never going back to Gmail, Vimeo before Youtube, every other search engine I can possible find...
  • Vimeo?
  • Might just shut down my Gmail account, which exists for the sole purpose of recovering my Live account's password in case of a security breach (though I have several other of Microsoft's security features in place so that such a thing will be merely a last resort). I can just make another Outlook account for the sake of that.
  • By keeping google mail, you giving google ammunition for proof Gmail has millions of users. Close it down and open yahoo mail or use your work mail.
  • Exactly, which is why I am considering ridding myself of it.
  • Google pointed out that WP lack user base, hence there was no need to develop an offcial app.
    since there is no user base, there is no lost revenue, ur  words google..
  • I like you. :D
  • Well said.
  • THIS
  • I was done with Google years ago. Here are some alternatives to Google:
     
    Gmail -> Yahoo, Outlook
    YouTube -> Vimeo
    Blogger -> Wordpress, Tumblr
    Google+ -> Facebook, Twitter
    Google -> Yahoo, Bing
    Google Music -> Spotify
    Anything else?
  • Google Drive -> Skydrive, Dropbox
    Google Docs -> MS Office Web Apps
  • Google Code -> Github, Bitbucket
    Google Docs -> Office 365
    Google Drive -> Skydrive, Dropbox, Box
    Google Calendar -> Outlook, Yahoo
    Google Maps -> Bing Maps, Map Quest
     
    There is a lot more I'm sure but I can't think of anything else. At this point I only use my google account for YouTube and Google Code.
  • "Google Maps -> Bing Maps, Map Quest"
     
    Also, Here Maps.
  • Lets not forget Nokia maps as the best alternative for google maps.
  • does anybody actually uses google+ ? lol, I'd use Bing but its design is really ugly imo.
  • I have actively avoided google+
  • Nothing beats Google Scholar if you aren't in the USA.
  • Have you tried Microsoft Academic Search? It's pretty amazing.
    http://academic.research.microsoft.com/
  • Cool
  • Only in the USA! In UK it hardly gives me what I want. Its been "beta" for what feels like a decade :(
  • There's really no real replacement for Google Voice. Or Google Fiber. :(
  • Microsoft could leverage Skype since it owns it and make a pretty good Google Voice competitor. And I could see that being a possibility in the future. As for Google Fiber, currently that's the best option in that department, so kudos to Google for that.
  • Outside of the US, so neither of these are relevant to the vast majority of users, thpigh there are other VOIP and ISPs in the world.
  • YouTube -> Dailymotion, Vimeo
  • Vimeo as a YouTube alternative? LMFAO.
  • It's hard to take someone who uses Yahoo and Bing seriously.
  • Completely understand the reasons said by Google. Hopefully this will lead to an update version of the app which follows these rules before May 22nd.
  • Hey Google, MAYBE YOU SHOULD MAKE YOUR OWN FREAKING YOUTUBE APP YOU ASS-HATS.
  • Lol +1 ass hats
  • Kill switch! Ha! Just took the XAP and will sideload once it is killed.
  • Nice one!
  • It won't work.  Side loaded apps look for the app in the store to see if you have the rights to install it.  The exception may be if your phone is developer unlocked, but I haven't tried that.  If I could get the USAA xap, I'd try it, because I'm getting a 928 tomorrow, and I'll lose the USAA app that's on my 822, but is no longer in the store.  BOO!
  • My phone is dev unlocked. I use the SDKs app deployer all the time.
  • Google needs to get over it. All of it. Support Windows Phone platform for your millions of gmail & google+ users who have Windows Phones
  • I like the Battle, it's good competition so ms will invent hopefully more of its own en let's rule the market. Recently i ditch gmail. I like where ms is going.
  • The most comical part is where they suggest Windows Phone users should be using the HTML5 webpage as opposed to an official YouTube application. Google just doesn't seem to get it.
  • Don't forget it's a "fully featured HTML5 webpage" though. /s
  • Wait a minute, wasn't Larry Page on a rant today during I/O that the tech giants were not working together to make things a better experience? Saying Microsoft added google messaging to outlook, bit Microsoft not doing in kind?
  • Yeah, pretty much proves them a hypocrite... who do you think adding Google Talk to Outlook.com benefits more... Microsoft or Google? Oh yeah, Google, because people don't need to leave GMail. How long before Google implements the same Skype federation on Google Talk? Oh wait, that won't happen.
  • he forgot to point out during his rant that the open standard microsoft is using to use chat is being killed. Google is leaving XMPP in the dust with their new chat. 
  • Google servcies are brilliant why not give them to everybody?
  • Because Google is a moron
  • Because none of them are overly brilliant
  • Because they need to be distributed in a way that everyone gets a fair chance. Including content creators who make a living off of YT ads that are blocked by MS's app.
  • Microsoft isn't blocking the pre-roll ads, Google is. I cannot wait for this to go to court.
  • So glad I moved to outlook.com and ditched Gmail. I am google free in my life and couldn't be happier. They can kill this app but I will just continue to enjoy ad free YouTube on Metrotube. Just another reason for me to never support google. Bring us an official app or stfu.
  • That's Microsoft fault. They agreed with the Terms of Use of YouTube API. Don't play dumb now. Get the app fixed.
  • They've already tried playing nice, and asking, but Google won't play, so I'm guessing that they did this to push Google into doing something.
  • What the fuck?
    Microsoft DID comply with Google but Google is a dick and wants to screw us up
  • I'm sure you'd all be asking for blood if Google were using Exchange ActiveSync without paying Microsoft? Not only are MS depriving Google of their bread and butter money, they're also taking it from the content creators of the very videos watched on the app through the inability monetise other creations with the lack of advertising dollars.. I'm sure these people don't deserved to be shafted, do they?
  • That's why they should officially support windows phone with their own app or pay something to own the ms built one and add advertising to it
  • http://m.YouTube.com not working for you? Works fine on my Lumia 620.
  • Yeah right, a webpage is a perfect substitute for an app!!!!
  • Everybody seems to be very happy suggesting touch.facebook.com as a substitute to the horrible Facebook app. I'm glad someone realised webpages suck.
  • Ignorant comment is ignorant.
  • Metrotube is there
  • metrotube and other apps did not get C&D, are adblocks on android and iOS getting C&Ds?
  • Google is not going to c&d android...
  • Because those apps don't have the pile of money that sits in Redmond.
  • However their API is flawed if it allows blocking ads or downloading when it shouldn't. This is googles fault not Microsoft's.
  • I'm calling your BS here, because it in no way represents the actual situation.... There is a level of metadata that YouTube made available to Apple so that APPLE could make native app for iOS, before Google started building it themselves. This data isn't available to any other 3rd party developer. To enable ads, MS needs Google to either build the app themselves or allow the MS app to access this metadata. It would cost Google nothing to allow MS to access this data, and it would enable ads on WP devices, as well as allow MS to build a native WinRT app that would-be more engaging than the website, while serving up the ads so YouTube content creators rely upon for revenue.
  • +9001
  • What a load of crap. Go watch a video on you tube, then the same one on iOS or Android...guess what? Ads on you tube, no ads on either app. Also, need we get into the hundreds of third party apps that block ads and allow you to download? Spare us the self-righteous indignation.
  • No ads eh? What;s this strange thing on my iPad right now?
     
    http://chazclout.com/CV/Upload/images/photokgyg.png
    Look, I know people hare are likely to literally love Microsoft but, please don't make stuff up to defend them, especially when easily proven wrong.
  • Nothing made up here. Neighbour's iphone? No ads. Brother's Galaxy SIII? No ads. Look down about 9 posts or so and you'll see Sam experienced the same thing. Have fun in your little world of make believe.
  • FYI: YouTube ads don't play on EVERY video. Check the odd one and you'll likely not see a single one. The facts are there if you want to believe (I.e, pull your head out of yours, or Steve Ballmers arse and you may learn something).
    If the screenshot I provided of an Adidas asdon the YouTube iPad app isn't enough, how about this YouTube article?
    http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2012/08/google-to-offer-skippable-a...
    Ads do exist in videos provided by the YouTube app. That is a fact no fanboyism can deny.
     Think I'll call it quits with you though. You seem too much of an ardent WP fan to see otherwise.
  • So let's see...liar, arse, fanboy...can you think of any other schoolyard insults to use? Not once did I insult you and yet here is what I receive. I think you've shown your true colours and I actually quite pity you. I love when people say 'I'm done with you,' 'tis to laugh. One, I don't care, be done or not <shrug>.  I have bag sweat that means more to me than your opinion. Two, why respond if your done? A complete contradiction to the statement. Anyway, once again, have fun in your little world where it appears you need to create fiction in place of facts in order to satisfy some internal desire for smug gratification. Have a crumpet and smile, it might make you feel better :)!
  • I can agree with the Points Google made but Microsoft should just remove downloadable video feature. Sadly.
  • Why?  TubeMate on Android lets you do the same thing.
  • I say FU YouTube.
  • Just goes to show that there is concern about how big the windows phone platform will be it is growing very fast and it has already got a massive following but seems that google won't play nicely. Maybe its time to build a youtube alternative or buy one and make it bigger n better.
  • Fuck Google! MS please send out a fix so that no google products work on Windows. For a few hours. I use some google services but seriously google, give ms access or shut the hell up.
  • Sadly if they did that Google would go Crying to the EU about it and Microsoft would get another fine :(
  • Imagine if ms sent a c&d to remove all google code from Ms products... they would have government yelling at them so fast. But google can do the reverse.... Hmmm
  • Then what about all the other YT apps for WP? Will the ask MK to kill all of them as well?
    Also, does the HTML5 mobile site display ads inside video?
    Does the iOS version of YT display ads? And what about the Android version? I mean, one of the 28472947 different YT apps available for iOS and Android...
  • Interesting point. The other day when this came up I tried a video online ..it had an ad. That same video did not have an ad in the iOS YT app. 
  • Sam please remind me when was the kill switch used in the past? I know it was around Mango but cant remember what app that was!
  • It was a pirated GPS app. I was thinking they also used it for the AVG Antivirus app, but I guess not.
  • I don't recall seeing ads on the previous iteration via web, but I could be wrong. I've slept since I tried.
  • I didn't know it wasn't the officially app from google self. But instead of asking if they would change the app so it won't violate google's terms, google is playing hard. Why? It is a nice app!
  • It said Microsoft in the store...
  • It's time to jack up the Android licensing fee, MSFT..
  • HELL YEAH!!
  • +920 but sadly its licensed out for 3 to 5 yrs contract or something!
  • LOL!!! This!
  • They just want us to have an awfull app and keep bloatwaredroid shining.
  • Android sucks donkey cock!
  • I would use those terms, but I do agree the android software leaves a lit to be desired...
  • I think we need more light shed on this issue. Seems both are not playing nice with each other but in the end the consumer (us) end up losing. Microsoft and Google really need to set their competitive nature aside to some degree to give their consumers the best experience.
  • Agreed but whereas Microsoft is offering its services on other platforms, Google aren't in some cases (ours). Not saying Microsoft are saints but where would Google be now if Microsoft had stopped their service being used on Windows? I know it isn't quite the same, just trying to make a point.
  • Yeah I agree on that as well. Funny how Microsoft can get fined for making Bing the only usable search engine on WP, yet Google can pull this nonsense.
  • I actually get your point....
  • Kinda strange Microsoft didn't ask for their permission first.
  • They did, but Google said "no" and Google also said that they weren't going to publish their own official app either. Microsoft must have become fed up with Google's bullshit and just published the app anyway lol
  • I linked to an old story we had on that, read it here. 
  • Read the article before,but it's weird that Microsoft went ahead and did this knowing full well that Google would call them out.
  • I'm betting they did it to push Google into doing something.
  • http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4334956/microsoft-responds-to-youtu...
  • i dont understand why goog wont go after third party apps?
  • they are asking google from long time... but google is not permitting for unknown reasons. lol
    too paranoid of competitions. LMAO
  • The app in its latest release was useless to me as it never completed my search and generated any results.
  • I am glad I have slowly moved away from Google services. The only thing I have left is Picasa. Google are well within their rights on this occasion but as mentioned above, why don't they just create an app that will work the way they want it to then? If it isn't worth their effort due to market share then stopping Microsoft from creating one shouldn't be worth the effort of stopping them. They are just being dicks because they can. Who is evil? So ironic.
  • Seriously F**K YOU GOOGLE.
    seriously F**K YOU.
    Just make a damn app for windows phone and chill your scene.
  • You seem to be terribly vexed, kind sir! :-/
  • What's wrong with Google??
  • Thought monopolies were against the law, this is not 1918.
  • This looks a little bit more like sabotage on the platform. If they were really worried about lost revenue, wouldn't they just work with Microsoft to have the app show ads? Heck, had they made the app themselves, they would've saved themselves from all this trouble.
  • Windows Phone to Google: Fuck Off!
    Otherwise make an official app for us you lazy cunts
  • Wtf since when did adds appeared on mobile phones? I had a iphone for 4year and never saw one and now google are saying this bullshit
  • THIS!!!
  • Thank god i moved to outlook.
  • It sounds like Google is really exercising their monopoly on the platform. They own the video market, but they are denying anyone the ability to license it properly. Those who do get licensed and use the available API's get punished. Sounds like the workings of an antitrust lawsuit to me.
  • Yes I am sure MS will sue google over this any minute.......now
  • i was gonna say the same. Could MS have almost baited google into this with the app? They must have know that Google would make an issue of it?
  • ^THIS
  • And in the end the consumers is the One who Will suffer.
  • Google are getting like Apple
  • So yet again WP users suffer resulting from Google/MS bickering. Thanks a lot assholes. Have fun with your millions of dollars and yet again say "screw you" to the common-folk
  • I hate to say this, but I would have to side with Google. The problem is, what Microsoft did was violated Youtube's TOS. The biggest problem here is removal of ads. Let's not forget that Google is not the only one who gets revenue from ads. Uploaders who have adsense also get revenue and by removing ads, Microsoft basically showed a middle finger to Google and the power uploaders.
    Redesign the damn app to not violate TOS and be done with it.
  • Except that it contradicts what happens on other platforms, and Google doesn't say anything about these downloaders or other apps everywhere else.
  • Tube mate and pther native android youtube downloaders get actively blocked
  • Thats the main Problem: Google is a drug dealer giving the uploaders Spam ads to earn money. But youtube is now a ugly platform full of Spam. One question. Dies Google interest in my terms of privacy?
  • Correction: MS didn't actively remove the ads - they don't have access to the APIs for showing them. Hence, no ads.
  • I was thinking since I got the app that people's videos I watch won't get a cut of the ad revenue..
    But as everyone's said Google's stance is full of double-standards.
    On one hand they won't make any official app past Search because they say the market share is too small, but then say that the lack of ad revenue from said market share is harming all the partnered YouTube channels.
    Google you can't have it both ways, keep to one clear stance please by either making official apps yourself like you do for iOS or let Microsoft keep the one they made.
    I'd prefer an official one as my favourite youtubers get their cut from my views!
  • While I actually agree with google being pissed and wanting the app removed, MS should just say F U make a real app and we won't need to make one ourselves
  • Or, you know, MS could make MSN Video into a Youtube competitor!!!
  • The question I have for all the major plays (BB, Apple, Microsoft, Google), do we really want to resort to the legal system to enforce a policy that the user will determine the fate of a platform by adoption, not by artificial limits set by a vendor to limit or otherwise constrain how other vendors interface with their platform? Case in point, Microsoft getting slammed by huge legal penalties for the way they embedded IE into their OS. One could argue from a legal perspective, this is an unfair business practice by Google that falls in line with similar practices such as backbone providers prioritizing their network traffic over a competitor, or perhaps the investigations that Google has faced prioritizing their product ad's over others creating a biased search result in favor of Google. Wasn't it Google that made the statement: Don't be evil when talking about other vendors compared to the supposed openness that Android and Google were to bring to the marketplace? It would seem that in the pursuit for more money, even with best intentions, companies are demonstrated a lack of desire to allow competition to compete and have the consumer be the ones to make the ultimate decision. I'll use Android as an example. Prior to Android, there was Blackberry (formerly RIM) and Apple. The fear at that time was with closed ecosystem models and vendor forced design that choice was missing for consumers. Along came Android and all of it's fragmented friends, and we see that the playing field is not evening out as consumers pick based on their preference instead of picking based on a lack of alternatives. For folks like myself and others on WPCentral, our choice has been to evaluate the playing field and make a conscious decision that WP is a better platform for us. In that choice, to have vendors such as Google acting in practices that are at their core evil by not allowing other vendors to interface with commonly used products such as YouTube, means that the only recourse we have is the legal system or waiting for the legal system to enforce business regulations designed to prevent or disuade businesses from behaving in this very way. 
    So don't be evil Google, and scroggle us non-Android lovers. Just like you don't discriminate access to Youtube based on the type of Browser you choose to use, don't limit what platforms can develop apps for Youtube. And Microsoft, don't play the innocent one and conform to other apps and allow advertising to be displayed. If we want a similar user experience across similar smartphone platforms on a free service like Youtube, we all get that we are going to be subject to advertising. Trust me, we get it that when a service is free, the user is the product =/.
  • Too long didn't read.
  • Haba same here
  • That's a shame, it was well thought out
  • First, Microsoft didn't block the ads. It's google who didn't allow Microsoft to read the metadata, which will be used to show the ads. Google is the one who play innocent about the ads thing. If anything that Microsoft fault, it's the ability to download the video.
    Second, about Don't be evil thing. I bet that the complete sentence will be, "Don't be Evil! Because I'm the Evil one!" :)
  • Truly sad day for WP users. I loved the whole layout of the app :-(
  • Fuck Google.. Just ridiculous.. YouTube experience on Windows Phone has been horrible, except for a few third party apps like Metrotube.. iOS has a massive install base and an App.. WP has smaller base and no App (from Google).. :-/
  • I am a WP fan but i think Google is right and should just replace the app with thier own official app with adds or allow Ms to enable ads on the app in question. Thats fair. I think we might start to see apps go exclusive to platforms.
  • I agree with you. Google pulled youtube apps from the playstore that violated their TOS. They also pulled adblockers as well. I'm not surprised they want MS to pull this one for violating their terms of service.
  • Just more lining for the shit-can, move on.
  • Hey Googledorks, I don't need your stinking YouTube anyway, and I don't need anything else associated with you, so suck on that!
  • Youtube moan yet wont make an app themselves?
  • it isn't youtube, its the higher up guys at google. the guys at youtube wanted to make an app for WP long ago but were told not to by the big boys over at google. 
  • It's a shame those guys sold it to Google so quickly. Should've kept it for a few years.
  • Me personally dont give a fuck about you tube app..i use METRO TUBE.
    BUT!!! msft should not mess with Google... Period...
  • Where is this idiots email or twitter so we can flood the duesch?
  • And I dont need anything GOOGLE IN MY WP8
  • The ironic thing is that I used the MS developed Youtube app on my Windows Phone to unsubscribe from all the subscriptions that have anything to do with Android, that and I'll be selling my Galaxy Nexus.
  • make a damn app then google !!!
  • My thoughts exactly. If the BBC have shown they can give a damn about WP by release an iPlayer app, and I use the term app very very loosely, then surely Google can.
  • i really hate google now, such a nasty jealous company, will be removing google chrome from my system. i think Microsoft will either respond by changing the app so it doesn't violate the terms, or they will leave it as it is and make google huff and puff some more. 
    I really hope google goes down hard one day. 
  • Today in Google IO larry page mentioned on how companies should work together and not be negative. I don't think Google and Microsoft are ever coming to terms on many things which is sad. 
  • I heard that as well, too bad everyone else at Google didn't hear it though!!!!
  • Can't MSFT just update the app with video ads, remove the download functionality and make it so videos play on the specific platforms? Fix the three problems and good deal? 
  • If only it were that simple.....
  • Yeah, seems easy enough to me.
  • I would never update the app then =D
  • nope, msoft doesn't have access to the API's to do that.
  • They might be easily remove the download ability. But for ads, they can't. The don't have access to the ads API. The ads thing is up to Google, not Microsoft.
  • F*** GOOGLE!!
  • Seriously set the f*ck out Google, you are bas*t*rd. what the he*l with u are ? for such as deceive company u are not deserve do that, where is the freedom. so for the win win solution mst will allow ads and remove download ability in Exchange remove all of u tube apps on android store which can download and remove all addfree apps. well im glad finally i can confess my badd a*s word, fuihhh
    #in doing wipe my sweat as beautifully :)
  • That was beautiful...
  • So either Microsoft releases an update and fixes all these issues or we say goodbye to the awesome YouTube app because google will never make an official windows phone app.
  • Hmmm...and this from a company that is supposed to do no evil. I really hate google and try to avoid it as much as I can.
  • When was kill switched used before?
  • screw google. 
    at least develop a yt app for us then...
  • Why is everyone here blaming Google? Why don't you blame poeple at Microsoft for not reading the Guidelines? And all the time I read comments on this site, everytime I get the feeling like you are always the victims of capitalism, monopoly and unfairness. You know, you went for a new platform that's not there yet. Put your things together and either wait for things to improve or move on.
     
    And keep in mind, Microsoft would have done the same thing, it's just Microsoft is not currently in that position.
  • go to hell would you fool. im sure you use ad blockers on your computer, you dont care then. Google doesn't give a crap for anyone except themselves, all they want to do is sabotage windows phone. 
  • I feel so sorry for you, use: http://m.youtube.com/
  • why should i have to use m.youtube when there is a perfectly good youtube app available for me to use? 
  • Because, it will work all the time :)
  • You mean the crappy version of the mobile website that hardly works, yeah that's a great solution.
  • what do you mean by working all the time? you mean a message on almost every vidoeo saying its not available on a mobile device?
  • Did you ever tried m.youtube.com? I just tested it and m.youtube.com won't show you any ads.
  • It's WPcentral, dude... The worst cesspit of simple-minded fanbots you will ever find... Logic and common sense never apply to anything here.
  • ha so true
  • And your useless comment makes you that much better? Please...
  • Bullshit.  MS has been and still is king in many markets and does not treat their competition in any way like Google does. Please review your history on Office for Mac, etc.
     
    Google is trying to strongarm MS plain and simple.  However, I fully agree that MS needs to update the app to be fully in compliance with the terms of service.  Ads should not be skipped and downloads should not be allowed.  But once that is done Google should definitely allow the app to exist, given that they are purposely witholding making one on their own.
  • Well yeah, it's not like Microsoft is licencing their software for other platforms for free ;)
  • But that's exactly the point.  MS makes their software for other platforms and makes their money by being a "fair" business.  They drive people to their platforms by making the best product they can.  This is what's best for users, and what's best for them.
     
    Google tries to strangle all support for WP in the hopes that their services are key enough to users that they won't switch to the superior platform because it lacks proper YouTube/Gmail/GCalendar/GCrap support..  This is the evil way to do things... why not make your products the best and get people to use them because they want to?
  • Exactly, I wonder why there are no Microsoft products on other relavent platforms like Linux GNU. I understand that Windows leaves Microsoft with over 90% of the market, but does it make Linux GNU less relavant? I think all this talk only makes sense to you because you want it to happen, but this is not the way companies look at it. They need to invest alot of resources and time in to the product, which in this case Google decided, it's currently not good for business.
  • does your simple mind not understand? Microsoft cannot show the video ads even if they wanted to as google has not allowed them access to the ads API.
  • My goodness.  Not sure who your rant is directed at, but it certainly does come across as quite "assholeish".
     
    Why would someone have a simple mind because they don't know something that only a YouTube app developer would know?  IF that is true, then MS should publicly respond with that piece of information, which would then lay the blame purely at Google's feet.
     
    But I would suggest toning down your responses so that your interractions with other humans work out better for you... it's awful lonely out there for people who can't play nice.
  • Please! Just stop it!, just Stop it will you
  • No Google had the app months before it was released, they approve it so it could be released. Maybe they didn't pay attention to the features, but still that's there fault.
  • So Google are living up to their "Don't be evil" mantra, oh ... wait ...
  • I wanna go to Google I/O and show them Middle Finger!! :/ You(Google) Son of Bitches, MS has done so much for you and this is how your repay?? I'm very Dissatisfied from your Attitude Assholes!! If Microsoft blocks Youtube accessing from "Windows", YOU're gonna be in SooooOOOoo much trouble.. I wish MS Should do it.. The Whole world rely on MS Windows :) I think Google has forgotten the Power of Microsoft. :-/
  • that would be the biggest joke in the tech world if microsoft did that. google would be so fucked up getting under the table to give pleasure to everyone for their services to be restored! mofos! 
  • I think it will go the same way it happened with IE "for not offering alternate browsers".
  • why should Microsoft of had to offer alternative browsers on their own software?
  • UC Browser and sm other browsers are already there... it's just that firefox n chrome aren't interested in developing .. they r selfish bastards... they wl make it only fr Highly popular devices :-/ also, i dont have any problem wd IE in wp... :-)
  • lol :-D
  • Your English is very good!(especially rough language)
  • oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
  • F### official app. Just leave my Metrotube alone.
  • Just download the YouTube app that Google hates, it'll become a collectors item......
  • MS and Google have been 'at war' since the beginning.
    They have had dust ups before. Google IS worried. It is actively trying to block apps and service for the WP platform. G Mail syncs being one.
    Without MS, Google wouldn't really have a platform. They are only a search engine provider underneath all the BS. Android is basically Linux, so...
    MS was here before Google, and will be here long after Google has been bought out by someone else.
    Fuck 'em!!!!
  • When is google going to be bought out, and by who? They have as much if not more influence than MS. Its a cheap move but MS broke the ToS, so google is in the right.
  • You keep thinking that....
    If MS didn't write Windows, there wouldn't be a platform for Google to exploit. MS may have broken the ToS, but to ask foir the app to be 'pulled' is just silly.
    If they asked MS to modify the app to include ads, fair enough, but this is the action of a company who IS worried about WP, but would never say so..
  • Actually Android is nothing more than a s%$&*£ JVM called Dalvik that runs on top of a Linux Kernel.
  • So google cries about Microsoft bundling IE with Windows and gets the EU involved. But when its their turn to do something for other platforms they puss out. That's my I will never be a Google customer in any way. I personally couldn't care less for the official YouTube app. But its the new comers and non tech savvy people that would get put off and give WP a bad rep
  • This. Couldn't agree more. Show the bias towards MS. Apple bundles OSX with only Safari, do they get fined....NO. Only MS does.
  • Larry Page is on some Steve Jobs ish
  • F**k you Google!! :)
  • Hahaha MS getting a little touch of their own medicine. They can block their own WP7.8 users from using those handful of decent apps they made themselves for sheer greed. And they can get a free ride on Google's $20 billion business too. The windows phone team is a bunch of hypocrates and i wish them total failure. Fu## Terry Myerson and Joe Belfiore.
  • lol looks like the Youtube app will never get a chance to make it to 7.8 devices.
    hahah this is pretty fun to watch, google b*tch slaps MS again
  • ^ This comment explains why you chose your username -- fools paradise ha ha ha
  • yesssir
  • Guys, Android Central is three stops to the left!!!
  • Lol...seems you are pissed off with MS because of Windows Phone 7.8. I suggest you stop coming over here and sign up for therapy. Get an Android phone please. Go away.
  • I already disabled my Google+ account and I'm currently in the process of transferring my accounts (for games, shops, forums, other things) from Gmail Account to my Outlook Account. When all my accounts are transferred, I will delete my Google account. Good bye Google. ;)
  • Can i just say "Called it"?
    Im gonna say it...
    Called it.
  • How did this happen. Google wanted to switch to calDAV and gave MS an extension to make new software so the cloud function works. Now they don't want YouTube on WP? I understand their argument, but this seems a bit far.
  • I hope Google goes bust.
  • what ad revenue ?!, i thought they won't support WP cuz it's not financially feasible i.e. no one uses WP !!. what has changed now ?!.
  • Saw this coming when i first realized that i could actually download videos from my WP, pretty cool app, to bad its going to be taken down!
  • My suggestion, Microsoft to Google "Remove Chrome from all Windows installations... fsckers!"...
  • This is what Microsoft gains from putting Xbox Apps on Android. Google forced the removal of YouTube and if I were Microsoft, I would immediately kill off every single Xbox or Microsoft supported App on Android devices. And then we would see who would lose more.
  • The amount of butthurt in these comments is hilarious! Fact is, if Microsoft (or any other large corporation) was in Google's position - they would do exactly the same. Can't believe it's so hard to understand for so many people here...
  • Well at least Microsoft isn't a bunch of babies and actually releases apps for android
  • What really hard to believe is suddenly, Google care about an OS that they don't want to make app! And their care's just to remove the existing app on it.
  • Thing is, Microsoft doesn't refuse to develop Apps for Google devices. Google refuses to develop for Microsoft's.
    If Microsoft stops playing Mother Theresa, Google is fucked and left with just their tablets and phones and Apple devices. Since the vast majority uses Microsofts PCs and laptops, without them, Google goes down the drain. But they fail to understand that.
  • ...and what exactly MS can do? Google doesn't need MS's services (like SkyDrive or Outlook.com or Bing search/maps or other largely irrelevant ones), it's the other way around for now.
  • LOL You're joking right? Where do you use Google products (YouTube, Chrome, Gmail etc)? On a PC. What does that PC run? A Windows OS. What can Microsoft do? Block Google from computers runing Windows. Simple.
  • If this goes through, couldnt Google get in trouble for antitrust?
    They: Refuse to allow native access to their content on WP, yet allow it on iOS and Android Blocked Youtube from releasing an official app and are requesting full takedown and blockage of the Microsoft built Youtube app (yet the reasons in the letter would apply to 90% of the Youtube apps in the Windows Phone store, which are not being asked to be taken down.)  
     
    That seems like a boycott to me, in business terms, which wouldnt that be against anti-trust laws?
  • Microsoft should just stop android/iOS users using hotmail, Skype and office apps. :D
  • that would hurt MS more than google
  • iOS users shouldn't suffer from something that isn't their fault. Apple doesn't refuse to support Windows OSs. Google does.
  • I'm sure Google will really care with their own services like GMail, Google Voice and thousands of other alternatives (that was sarcasm, b.t.w)...
  • You are wrong - any WP user is still free to access all of YouTube's content through built-in web browser. No wrongful access restriction here. Also, if MS will comply with these simple requirements - Google will not mind their app at all. As for other similar apps from "smaller" devs - they are too "small" to care about... At least for now ;-) Which makes all the butthurt whining here even more hilarious - just get a third-party app, people. Google don't care about MetroTube or apps like gMaps and such, so use them instead of pointlessly complaining about "evil corporations"...
  • Google's web apps don't always work properly (ive ran into some that load the ancient mobile html version thats made for PDA's and flip phones), there was the maps block stunt, not to mention they create apps for iOS, yet actively refuse to let Microsoft build the app for them on Windows Phone. That still sounds like valid reason for an antitrust suit to me
  • LOL... You can't force any company to develop apps for your platform... MS still have no good office suite for Android, how about that? Should they also be sued for this?
  • Microsoft doesnt have an office app for any mobile platform (Windows Phone's is a system feature, not an app, technically. Cant uninstall it, and its very basic), not to mention, Lync and OneNote are already on Android. Its also user specific. Its not a service. Its an app. Youtube is a service, accessed by billions, cross platform. Yet android and iOS get apps (for more than just Youtube), and WP doesnt. Not only that, its not forcing them to build an app. Microsoft did it for them. Google is actively denying some of its services on WP, and giving others a poor user experience on Windows Phone, and are actively blocking Mobile Applications. (The Google app, by google, is sh**. No ifs, ands, or buts.). I dont see Google being denied access to Lync, OneNote, or Bing, all services by Microsoft. Yet google denies access to a number of its services, and renders basic HTML versions of the rest. (Ever use the gmail website on Windows Phone?) Its actively boycotting Microsoft. I mean, listen to this excerpt of a verge article:
     
     
    ...noting that industry negativity is holding back progress. Page told an audience member that "we struggle with people like Microsoft."
     
     
    Google is literally bullying microsoft and denying its services (or doing "just enough" to get by, such as poorly rendered basic HTML versions of its mobile web apps.), and it needs to stop. Google is literally going against antitrust laws, yet they are skirting by on technicalities, keeping them out of trouble!
  • The problem, however, is that Google knows that Microsoft cannot comply with the three terms it has given. You can't say "Take this down because we don't like point 1", and then basically also say "You are never allowed to get point 1 right". You can cut out the talk in the middle and just go straight to "We are never letting you build an app".
  • As a token of appeciation to Google here is how to block Google from collecting data on your browser, just in case #f**kgoogle
     
    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/18936/keep-google-from-tracking-your-every-move-online/
  • I come here and and bust the balls of a lotta the crybabies who post about WP. But one topic that bugs the crap outta me are those who feel left out because things like G+ aren't available on WP.
    This is why. I lose more and more respect for them every day it seems. And I for one am glad hey've taken this route. Let them take whatever stance they want. Let them convince themselves that android will stay where it is today... if they do believe that, that alone should tell you about their true business sense.
    I'm one fo the few who remember having all google services (available at the time) on my Windows MOBILE device. You know, back when they needed a mobile platform to live on. Much like their reliance on PC's and PC users to get where they are today they once relied on WM users as well. Wont be long before they turn over and run back to Microsoft. And most likely will take MS to court so MS has to include their garbage their mobile platforms (again).
  • Google+ is a failed service. why would anyone complain? 
  • Can they legally remove from devices
  • Its probably in their User Agreement/TOS that they can. They have done it before
  • It is not fair! Google must fail! Since it wants to remove YouTube from Windows Phone 8 Microsoft must deny any access to the site and deny Office and google + on Outlook. Google shame on you jealous of shit!
  • HERE HERE!
  • Lol. I like no ads. I'm sure it will be removed, but I use mytube anyways
  • Wow, google are really pushing for them to look completely retarded today
  • F*ck 'em! I just downloaded the app just for the hell of it.  If MS was this petty they would force them to remove Skype from their store.
  • +100000
  • So, what about third party apps that do the same or more! Why only Microsoft?
  • Time to develop MicroTube or MiTube or MoTube.....just sayin
  • Google don't know how big Microsoft really is. I think Microsoft should play hardball too, releasing apps for only iOS and Windows Phone. Forget Android. Let them get their own OneNote app, Outlook App, Lync App etc. The YouTube experience is available on third party apps and the web but Lync isn't.
  • Why release them for iOS either? In about a year when surface and other windows 8 RT tablets become more popular..they will both see how valuable Ms Office really is.
  • It'll help Google acknowledge that Microsoft is willing to support other mobile OS's just not theirs. Until they release quality apps for Windows Phone that is.
  • What about metro tube??
  • Google has the right to put the Microsoft employees who created it as well as the people who ordered it's creation in prison. Breaking the ToS of a website is a felony if you don't already know. Microsoft has used it against other people, I wonder what they would think if someone used it against them. Google should not be required to port an application to any platform. They are hosting the content on their servers.
  • Yes, but they are actively denying use of their content on a platform. If microsoft should get in trouble for violating TOS, google should get sued for Antitrust
  • my comment remain the same F U Google
  • Oh no! I am protesting youtube and I will delete my erotic videos. You lose youtube.
  • Great move google, thanks for supporting any users you might have left on wp.
  • screw google and everything they stand for. 
  • Some of you are really clueless adblockers don't stop the video advertisements before the video on YouTube.
  • Yes, actually some of them do. It's still just JavaScript.
  • Microsoft, add an update to windows to block all googles spyware, just by not allowing google to track user. We will see a reaction ;)
  • Microsoft is huge, they have windows (googles main money maker) but for some reason can't use it against google and f them
  • Lets all use youtube lesser than we do and try to find other video sources. F all google services
  • Not once have I seen an ad play on YouTube or metrotube on my Lumia 920. Why is this a problem now?
  • This is utterly ridiculous! Its time some legal type brings a class action to stop this type of crap! If MSFT can be forced to remove IE as a default browser, then companies should be forced to allow 3rd party apps to access their service. Especially if the services provides no "good" alternative. This is not a blow to MSFT, it's depriving some citizens from access that others have. It would be.like saying only some people can make phone calls but because you have a red phone, you can't make calls. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE SUED. And I know just the candidate. ;-)
  • Microsoft should stop acting like googles bitch and remove all their apps from android, keep only bing and make windows harder for google. But microsoft likes money so much they will carry on acting like a bitch
  • Removing support in Google and Apple devices would be a dumb move by Microsoft. Just as removing iTunes from PCs would be.
  • LOL @ the people that are just now saying fuck google. www.scroogled.com
  • My god that page is a mess. Was microsoft high when they designed it? Seriously. Call a designer, cause this is an emergency.
  • Google can go suck a )!(#!!! I say block "Google Chrome" and all Google services on all Windows PC's,...teach the bitches a lesson.
  • If I were in charge of Microsoft, you can bet I would do that. Even if temporarily, they would learn a lesson they would never forget.
  • MS, don't listen to Google until they make their own replacement app!
  • Google should step up and make the app themselves. However, Microsoft should comply with the guidelines, as long as those also apply to iOS and Android. They have a week to do it. Get it done.
  • Told myself "Don't read the comments. Don't read the comments." but I did anyway. Why do I always torture myself
  • GOOGLE can SUCK MS's ****
    Such a douche, I used to respect them
  • Who cares about youtube app.. Its the redtube app i'm waiting for.. Lol!!!!
  • Most likely Microsoft will update the app putting ads in. Or come to some sort of an aggrement with Google.
  • Google just Sucks ass! Just support WP da same way u kiss apples Ass! Hope they leave metro and Mytube alone
  • Oh, NOW you give a shit about Windows Phone, huh Google? You won't make a YouTube app for us, then get all pissy when we make our own? There are certain nicities to being off your radar.
  • I knew there was a reason I moved away from google, they are crap
  • Screw google
  • Every app I have for WP has poor integration in my opinion so it's not a huge loss for me. It is a pretty functional and decent looking app as long as you are using the app but if someone emails or messages a link to a YouTube video it still loads in the browser anyway. A quality YouTube app and eBay app really need that integration. It is one of the few things I miss about IOS.
  • MS has to come out with a new video service: MicroTube?
  • Naw just buy vimeo
  • +925
  • But here's the thing, Google is acting like this is about their users and advertisers not getting revenue because ads don't play within the app; but ads also don't play on the YouTube mobile site! This has much more to do with Google actively trying to lock Microsoft out of all of it's services, and thus pull users away from the Microsoft/Windows ecosystem.
  • Fuck google!
  • Work out a way for ads to be shown in a non-obnoxious way. Done deal. Either that, or screw you google, there are a shit-ton of WP users who want to access your service. Make an app for us, then, if you don't like MS' version.
  • MICROSOFT also remove office and all microsoft apps for google store.
  • I hate google.
  • Die Google, die!
  • I see that google is now jealous to microsoft. Fuck off google. Youre jealous! Because microsoft has made a good app!
  • Isn't this ironic? Isn't their issues exactly what Android is about?
  • As this story goes by, the more I like Vimeo. We should really give preference to a company that considered the platform and respected it since the beginning. I know this is kind of insane, but at least let's make them feel the power of our community. Let's use the competition. 
  • Google becoming monster
  • http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag87/Ridlah/politicalcartoon_zps00ac...
  • Google, what the heck is wrong with you?!! I think they probably know that WP is gonna be huge in 4 years *keep positive.
  • The world needs a better You Tube. Its MySpace all over again. Ugly ad ridden Google property.Slow to load and navigate and of generally crappy quality audio and video. Kill it and top it. Same with the annoying Vines. Easily bettered.
  • You love WP or hate google.
  • Cool
  • In that case, MS should turn off access to all Android devices for use of Skype!!!!!!!
  • +9001
  • Totally agree with you sir.
  • That would be funny 
  • No then useres would stop using Skype.
  • that's too extreme, other people that doesn't use Android devices will be affected too
  • Remember that Google removed all ad-blocking software for Android? I had to find a FOSS repository just to get updates for my current ad blocker on Android. I know, I know, Android post. But it's in relation to this.
  • Or the fact that you could bypass all of Google's attempts to stop ad blocking by rooting your android phone and getting some lovely superuser privileges to cut Google out of ad revenue. :)
  • F you google. I'm keeping it.  It would be so cool if Microsoft broke every google search on its operating system world wide.
  • I don't know why Google are bothered. According to them, there isn't enough users on WP for them to take notice of us.
  • Indeed, they did say they weren't interested in the platform so why so serious now...
  • If the Windows Phone app is such a threat to their monitisation then why have they not tried to make money from Windows Phone before?
    I don't think it's right for Google to force Microsoft to remove the app unless they provide an alternative...I hope that Microsoft just ignores their request & keeps this on, to see how far they can push it =P
  • I have a 7.8 device and won't affect me...
  • Whatever. Metrotube works perfectly.
  • How does the interface appear on other mobile apps including android? If they have ads then fair enough, MS should negotiate a compromise agreement. If not and this is a double standard then this sour grapes protectionism approach reflects incredibly poorly on google. It would be a natural conclusion for all WP users to remove google apps from their devices as a way of saying this is the end game they are wanting to bring about. I wish google weren't so scared about people leaving their platforms, maybe if they weren't they wouldn't taint their brand with these tit for tat tactics.
  • That's hilarious. As a content creator, there is no media outlet that pays less or is more abusive than Google.
  • I just tested youtube playback on Windows, WP8, ipad and Andorid.
    On Windows, adblock would block ads in youtube.
    On ipad, Chrome would direct you to http://m.youtube.com and I didn't see any ads so far.  There are ads in the youtube app.
    On Android, when you went to http://m.youtube.com, again,  I didn't see any ads. There are ads in the youtube app.
     
    Also, I believe Android app has "preload" function:
    http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/27/youtube-android-app-caching-channels-...
  • I remember when Youtube was a place where anyone could upload & share videos, ever since Google took over by the time I remove the annoying ads the video is nearly over.
  • Here is how i see it.  IF Google is preventing MS access to the Youtube Ad API's then this is total evil move by Google.  They may have forced the hand of MS to release the app that has probably been done for ages to the masses to try to get Google to open up its API's once it saw how many of us WP8 users there are and are using the app.  
    When google was small, they would have never acted like this, but now that they have the most popular video streaming service now they think they are mister big shots.
    The other possibility is IF Microsoft broke those 3 rules on purpose or perhaps it was a mistake?  I don;t know.  I'm not an insider.  If MS can make the app comply with Google's terms then they should.
    You know MS has to bend over so many time with Windows when it comes to making things fair, it would be nice if someone out there would wake up and start holding Google and Apple to the same measure.  I think if MS wants to lock other browsers out of Windows and if Google is allowed to lock MS out of Youtube on WP8, then well all is fair in love and war.
    Ideally, I would love Google to remain competitive and stop trying to lock us user of WP out of Youtube.  It is possible for users to like Windows and Android.
    Well if this app goes away, then i'll just go back to using Metrotube or any of the other Youtube apps on WP8.  All of them are pretty good.  I am thinking that the official youtube app on WP8 was extremely well done. 
  • Sad day. Love the app.
  • google=evil:-(
  • Google just want money out off this app, MS just need to pay google to shut their @**.
  • Get in MS!
  • Even in android device you can block the ads by installing ad blocker, is google thinking properly? Bing it on google..
  • They are thinking properly; that's why they removed ad blockers.
  • Oh really, then why does Chrome on Android still block ads!!!
  • All I want to know is what Microsft will do. Will they really pull the plug? I stand by Microsoft. 
  • we need to simply start boycotting youtube. use services like dailymotion or vimeo. Microsoft needs to come up with a new hosting site like youtube ,or maybe buy vimeo. vimeo has real great potential and people need to start using it. Stop using youtube!
  • I downloaded this app last week, the day I got my 920. Unbelievable that a mere week later, Google is having it pulled from the WP Store. -_-
  • Google has changed their tagline - BE EVIL
     
  • I think you misspelled "Microsoft".
  • Nah, he spelled it correctly. Even MPs in the UK agree that Google is Evil, bloody tax dodgers!!!!
  • I'm gonna punch somebody.
  • Metro tube !!!!!
  • MS response to Google request is classic. I think they knew what they were doing, just wanted to air this argument in public. Your move Google, you want to preach about antitrust and don't want to follow them. Typical.
  • I think the law should step in and say if you develops for one you develops for all. Or you can't say who puts what out for th people to use. This us utter bullsh,t
  • More like "develops for two", since home exclucitivity shouldnt be banned (Such as Pages, Numbers, ETC for Apple iOS devices, and the built in office function of Windows Phone.). Just when they develop outside their ecosystem, they should develop for all.
  • This is the final strike against Google for me. I will be closing my google accounts momentarily, and I do not, or ever will regret my decision. Google can burn for all I care.
  • Good for you. I hope you remember for the rest of your life that every time someone does this YouTube content creators lose revenue. Happy now?
  • Boohoo, if they rely on it as their only source of income then they really are stupid!!!
  • Well aren't you delightfully kind :)
     
    Why don't you get unemployed and let's see how your stance changes.
  • Or, you know, you could use the time making videos to actually do something useful, like, look for work!!!!
  • http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4334956/microsoft-responds-to-youtu...
  • This has nothing on the billions of dollars Microsoft is extorting from companies running Google's Android platform over dubious patents. Can you play nice with a racketeer?
  • http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4334956/microsoft-responds-to-youtu...
  • http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4334956/microsoft-responds-to-youtu...
  • Microsoft is in the wrong, but i have to say, "Dear Google, don't be evil." You said it, not me.
  • How are Microsoft in the wrong, they repeatedly asked Google for access to the APIs for YouTube and were repeatedly denied and now when Microsoft create an app using the only version of the API they can get hold of, version 2 if you must know, that doesn't support ads Google get all sh**** about it.
  • The Google team are a bunch of looser wanna be's
  • there is no "google team". Google is basically a company made up of a bunch of smaller companies (Youtube, X Labs, Ad Sense, etc...) The only true "Google" is Search and Gmail. Though, Google's "executives" that keep doing this are idiots and should be sued for antitrust violations.
  • Yeah, the wannabes have 75% of the mobile market share. M$ only has 2.3%.
  • Seriously man, and sorry for the choice of words. But fuck google sideways.
  • I think some new antitrust laws have to be created. Some law that requires every monopolist software or digital service to have a official access on all relevant operating systems and devices. That way Google can't abuse Gmail, YouTube and Microsoft can't abuse Skype as well.
  • MS is more neglect than abuse, and what its neglecting is its own platform (Skype keeps getting improved on iOS and Android while WP is only getting incremental, small updates.). Also, current anti-trust laws should already cover google's BS (boycotting, where a company denies access or sale of a product or service, in an area where it should normally be accessible or for sale, just because they do not like the company to which they are denying access or sale, or because they dislike another product of the company to which they are denying access or sale.)
  • Love the MS response. Cranking up the pressure in a very subtle manner. Good on them!!!!
    They have been trying to get access to the YouTube API since WP7, but Google are unwilling to play ball.
    Unfortunately for Google, MS are 'old hands' at these tricks. Let's see what Google's excuse will be this time......
  • Technically, all Microsoft is doing is calling a API from youtube, Google has several methods of blocking this app from reaching youtube servers, so this is actually a pretty clean way of handling things if you ask me, they could of just pulled their access and saw them in court afterwards. Is the app called "Youtube"? cause that alone could cause legal trouble.  
  • If the ads count against the data we pay for each month. We should have the option not to see them. I don't want to pay for someone advertising to me. Small rant.
  • You pay for cable but you still get commericals...
  • Cable bandwidth is infinite.  Data plan on your cellphone, however, is not.  Commercials would be an extra cost in this situation.
  • In either case, most ads run from the 3rd party service, not the cell provider, youtube doesn't make money off the bandwidth costs. My point was that you still pay for a connection service, but do not pay directly to the 3rd party to not see ads.
  • but you still pay. They are forcing you to pay more for something (data) when they themselves are having little monetary benefit from it (ads people block or skip).
  • I love this battle!!  It's how companies should compete. Everybody wins with a compromise between the two.
  • What an awesome response from Microsoft! They're on the ball lately.
  • This is not good :(
  • MS really needs to make a video sharing service. Spend an insane amount of money marketing it, just out of spite. LoL Kind of like what Ford did to Ferrari with the GT-40.
  • Heres what Microsoft should do:
     
    Remove the ability to download/save videos - this could be a copyright issue.  Leave the rest of the application the same, Google can go f*ck themselves, the best lawsuit they can bring is a violation of their site terms - which means diddly sh8.
    If Google wants to bring a lawsuit they will be plastered all over the web as bullies and hyprocites - win win for Microsoft.
    If Google wants ads in their Youtube application then its up to them to make their own application to have ads in it not Microsoft.  Google doesnt seem to have a problem embedding ads into their flash videos, I'm sure placing ads into the html5 video stream shoudlnt be a problem either - afterall they are the biggest scumbag/advertising company around with 'engineers' (and I use that word very lightly) that can implement this into these really useless videos.
    Build the ability to upload videos into the Youtube app, and a simple button that says 'upload this support video to youtube', the app would then upload a video Microsoft has created that simply blasts google for being hyprocrites and speaks to how google is trying to block youtube on WP - the youtube site will eventually be flooded with thousands of copies of this video.  Might as well throw in some scrooggled and lagdroid videos too. Using googles own resources against them.
    Throw money and support behind sites like Vimeo, giving them the ability to take youtube out.  Youtube is absolute shit with the amount of ads that play on the site, its a ripe time for a real competitor that can offer similar content with less blatant ads plastered all over the site.
     
  • The other day my friend was trying to watch a video on YouTube (some cricket clip) and it said,"This video requires payment to watch"...LoL :D
  • Lol troll much?
  • What a bully Google has become
  • M$ is the real bully here, trying to deprive content creators of money.
  • Maybe you should learn to read, Android Central is three buttons to the left at the top of the page.
     
    Microsoft repeatedly asked for access to the APIs to create a YouTube app that doesn't violate the TOS and Google denied them the access they needed, so Microsoft decided to fuck Google sideways and release the app anyway, now Google are getting shitty about it after Larry "hypocrite" Page talked about "more interoperability and less negativity between companies".
     
    BTW the 1990s called, they want their M$ back!!!!
  • Google just got trolled hard and backed into a corner
  • Word!
  • Great response by Microsoft.
  • Maybe I am reading way too much into this but, Microsoft is a pretty smart company and would not have done this without some alternative motive.  I am sure they have some of the smartest legal advisors around. Maybe they are setting the groundwork for something bigger.  
    I mean it is not like there aren't other alterntives on WP and those on Android that are not up to the TOS snuff test either. In fact Chrome iself violates their own TOS.
    If the truth is that Google allows only partial access to their API's and held back the rest (those that would allow Microsoft to fuffill the TOS ) this would lead to unfair competitive advantage for Google/YouTube .  I seem to remember a landmark case in 2001 that was similar to this in one respect.  That company held many of it's APIs back from web browser developers thus keeping it's superior market advantage in check.  Oh yeah, there was some of that OEM arm twisting too.  US v Microsoft (2001)
     
    You know history always has a strange way repeating itself, just with new cast members in different roles.
     
     
     
     
  • Yeah, I'm guessing Microsoft knew exactly what they were doing too.
    Google has been getting a lot of negative press recently (in the UK they are being roasted for diverting their profits to Ireland to take advantage of low tax rates there while making the sales in the UK).  The way I see it Google cannot win this one, if Apple got negative press for pursuing Samsung for $1 billion (even if justified) then here its even better as Google cannot claim large amounts of money but they look even worse for denying equal access to their "free" sites.
    As for adverts I think this is Googles own fault, they have the content on their servers, if they then allow users to stream the video without the advert then how is that the fault of the users?  If they really wanted to force users to watch ads then those adverts would be the first 30 seconds of each video, but then Youtube would quickly become too painful to use.
  • What a bully
  • Don't be evil Google!
  • F*** google
  • Back in fools paradise! MS fanboys living in the 1990s. Today Google is a bigger, richer, more popular company than MS, check finances and share values and service user numbers. Well done Google for reminding them who the boss is. Meanwhile, Joe Belfiore can take my Shitphone 7.8 back for free. Hahaha
  • If you don't like Windows Phone, don't use it. Go use Lagdroid instead!!! I case you forget, this is Windows Phone Central, Android Central is three buttons over at the top of this page.
  • Hey, say hi to the guys in 2010 for me, will ya?
  • I said hi to them for you, they say they're fine and you need to STFU and GTFO!!!!
  • wow...your comment is so full of sh**.
  • At least we aren't  Android (Lag TM) fanboys.
    Google - the boss??? You keep dreaming. Without Windows you wouldn't have Android. Simple as that. Android is developed on Windows PCs.
    Statistics mean nothing. MS will be here a long, long time after Google is a bad taste in the mouth!!!
  • Umm, MS has a much more diverse company with long term viability.  Google is an advertizing firm and not much else.  They continue to try to be more, but all of it involves sending people back to their advertizing arms. 
     
    One of Google's big negatives - small patent portfolio.  Another big negative - selling a "free" phone OS and requiring Google, Chrome, and YouTube be installed as part of making it "free". 
     
    Once Google has to start paying patent fees to MS (it's coming) then watch all the other Android makers sue Google for dumping.  We already know Samsung is abandoning Android in the future, so their mobile OS is already dead in the water.  They are still dominate in search, but losing ground.  People are tired of them.
     
    Google will be a fraction of itself in five years.  This isn't a company like Microsoft or Apple where they actually make things for people to buy.  MS' Office division is hugely profitable, but so is their Enterprise division, Azure, Windows, and the list goes on.  Google's main strength is gathering as much data on you and me as possible and then selling it while also turning it over to the government upon request, no warrant needed. 
  • What planet do you live on? The one where you all dance in the evening to the "developers, developers, developers, developers!!" tune by the lardo Ballmer?
    "small patent portfolio"...that ended with the Mororola puchase. Samusing isn't abandoning Android, but I'll tell you what platform they hardly support and will abandon completely,....can you guess it? Then they'll join LG and other OEMs that consider the WP platform a waste of time and money. 
    Since when do google "require" that certain apps be installed? Chrome and Youtube do not come stock with the phone...those are apps that you can download in the store. 
    "People are tired of them"...hardly...having close to a billion activations since day one, 48 billion app downloads and capturing 73% of the market in 3rd quarter of 2012 with 123 million units sold compared to Microsoft with 4 million units sold in the same time frame.
    WP is failing and Blackberry will be the 3rd ecosystem by the end of the year...
    I'm not an Android supporter either...I use Meego and will be switching to Ubuntu phone or Sailfish. My search engine is Duck Duck Go and I use Linux on all my computers...so I have no horse in this race. 
  • It's about time Microsoft grew some nut. GO MICROSOFT!!!
  • Screw google, and screw MS as well. Google now is just doing exactly the same thing once MS has done in the past. Remember Netscape.
  • Netscape? What about it?
  • Microsoft squeezed them out of the market in the 90s by threatening to remove the rights of OEMs who chose to install Netscape on Windows machines.
  • I notice they don't give you the link to download the app like they normally do.
  • I hate google! That is all!
  • Good guy google is becoming a dick!!!
  • Im glad google are scared, pretty soon (after instagram inevitably comes) YouTube is going to be one of the only high-end apps being a dick about joining, even BBC have came crawling back!
  • Yeah, they're scared that the company with one-thirtieth the market share will overtake them.
    /s
  • Let me break the news to you.  Google doesn't own the mobile market share.  It's Samsung.  One day when Samsung moves away from Android to their own OS, Google has to kiss Android market goodbye.
  • Smart Microsoft. They called google out. And now google has a choice,
    both Wins for Microsoft:
    Deny API: Called out as hypocrites; Bad PR; Antitrust likely to follow
    Allow API: Microsoft gets API access only Google has had; Microsoft Wins
    Either way, its a Win for Microsoft.
     
     
    Microsoft is Captain Kirk and Google is their Kobayashi Maru. They dont believe in a No-Win Scenario. Instead, they change the game itself.
  • How two-faced can you get?  In the Oracle vs Google case, Google claimed that the use of APIs is "in the public interest".  They won that judgement.  Now they claim exactly the opposite?
    I just hope the Appeals Court judges read Google's claims in this matter against Microsoft.  They have 100% contradicted themselves.  If the Appeals Court reverses their decision, Android, and possibly Google themselves, are finished. Obviously Microsoft understand this.  They're doing exactly the same to Google as Google are doing to Oracle.  If it ever goes before a judge, Microsoft can quote Google in their own defence.
    Who on earth is managing these clowns?
  • *cough* Instagram *cough*
  • Wow... Big brother google strikes again... And they also claims patent to be able to search trough emails for "bad" words...
    They've really gone over the edge...
    Glad I've deleted every google account and email long ago, and I don't like North Korea much either...
  • I once had deep respect for Google. Then they said they won't make any apps for wp. Now, trying to play dirty games with MS over YouTube app. Google, I never expected you to go to such a cheap level . Such a shame.
  • Its google's money loving, power hungry executives rearing their ugly heads. I miss when google was a company of promise, making awesome services and applications, and the company (appeared to be) made up of multiple teams with awesome ideas working in unison. Now they lust for Smartphone Domination and Money. Their Ad platform has tooken over everything (from mail, to youtube)... h*ll, even the Google homepage, when viewed in anything but chrome, has ads for chrome (and an extra one on IE10 for "add google back to start" for its Google Search Windows Store Application)
  • Google has been being more and more evil lately. Greed takes its toll, I guess.
  • http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!search/either$20provide$20a$20YouTube$20app/youtube/yqnRuwfmWx4/W7qWCucMObMJ
    I just created a post in their youtube product forums regarding this. Please join me and let Google know WP users' voice.
  • I wonder if its possible to file a class action Anti-trust law suit? If so, i think alot of people should join in. Maybe use change.org or something to help push it...
  • First of all I hate when ads buffer because if ads are of about 30 secs then it kills your patience and I like to watch videos on my 920 youtube app.Youtube has become a giant right now so they would want to earn big but that is killing the experience of the user who just wants to watch videos.
  • DEAR GOOGLE PLEASE TAKE A LONG WALK OFF A VERY SHORT PERE !
  • Sorry Google, but I don't see ads when viewing your own mobile Youtube website, so stop bitching and let Microsoft do its job.
  • i've seen them on select videos and on other OSes. Its limited, and rare. But its till there.
  • Damn it Google, just because someone's made a better version of YouTube than you asses have doesn't mean you have the right to use a killswitch.
  • Google is really afraid of Windows phone. They know WP will screw Android some day near future.
  • Zzz.. I don't like ads
  • You go Microsoft! Tell those jerks to play fair. Google is the biggest monopoly the world has seen. I used to love Google, but now they repulse me. I mean how frikin' hard would it be for Google to make a YouTube app on Windows Phone? Microsoft basically did your job for you! Get off your butt Google, you're forgetting that Microsoft gave you the channel to promote your products all along. It seems that now they are biting the hand that fed them.
  • GOOGLE == PARANOID... LOL
    HAHAHHA
  • That's fine scroogle.  I will keep using the apps on Windows Phone and Windows 8 so I won't have to watch another ad or pay you a damn penny.  They should really rename it to "You f***ing Tube" (that's what we scots say).
  • Just downloaded the app and its just awesome... :)
    Real fast n smooth. Google is not ready to provide a good youtube app to WP and now not even want them to make one.
    Thats a serious offensive behaviour towards consumer.
  • Bravo MS! Srry Androids, I am a PC! =)
  • Bravo MS! Srry, Androids, I am a PC! =)
  • Dont be evil my ass.
  • GOOGLE == PARANOID... ;) LOL
  • Because there are ads on the iPhone app, aren't there? And on 3rd party apps (e.g. MetroTube)? Google are just being difficult because it's Microsoft.
  • Fuck you Google
  • MSFT replied "Like a Sir"!
  • Yeah! Go Microsoft! Smart move.
  • How does it feel to be scroogled, Microsoft? :D
  • I don't know, how does it feel to be Scroogled, Google? :D
  • Google, then make a damned app yourself for our Windows Phones! But noooo. Now that MS makes an awesome YT app now Google complains? Google, I don't hate you as much as Apple as a company, but you're sooo gettin' there!
  • All this has done is make me want to get away from Google faster. I had a Gmail account which I had moved over to Outlook anyway, so I'll just break the tie and get away from it.
     
    I'll start using Bing for searches. I use SkyDrive not Google Drive anyway so that's no bother. The only problem I will probably run into is watching videos on YouTube as that's where my friends send me links for videos etc.
     
    I hate this 'one rule for one, something completely different for another' issue that seems to be going on here. If Google don't want Microsoft to have an app for YouTube, then there's one simple thing to do:
    STOP D*CKING ABOUT AND MAKE ONE YOURSELVES!  
  • I just opt out of Google services like Google + and Youtube. They asked me why I'm leaving and I told them because of poor support on Windows Phone. And I'll be leaving all services soon.
  • Ok my last comment on this topic. To those idiots who think MS still is a giant Lion and Google a tiny mouse, 25 years younger Google already beat MS on revenue, profit and company value. While Google is racing uphill, MS is going downhill. Googles influence is far greater than that of MS now and MS can't do jackshit to put down Google anymore. In fact Microsoft makes more money from people using Google services than from many of its revenue streams including windows phone. So forget about MS bossing Google, it is most likely to be other way round. YouTube a case in point. Second, MS needs to calm down and look after its consumers first, without irking Google and Apple. We are seeing an exodus of MS faithfuls to Apple, Google and others. The only way to stop this is to look after those who use MS services and products, including wp 7.8. Conclusion: release the god damn Facebook beta, Skype, I player and so on to 7.8 NOW! Rant over. F### Joe Belfiore!
  • Dude, GTFO.
  • Please go away, you irksome oaf!!!!
  • Good riddance, Android Central is three buttons over at the top of the page. Better yet GTFO and don't come back.
  • Down fanboy down....your getting angry at nothing
  • Oh no... my heart bleeds.  Think I'll stick to mytube and metrotube. 
  • Buuuuurn google!!!!
  • GOOD!! Screw Microsoft and its awful mobile OS that only a few hundred people use anyway. 2.9% marketshare?!?! Bwahahahahaha!!!
    In another year or so they'll pull the plug on this OS and good riddance.Microsoft is reaping what it has sown and is getting a dose of its own medicine..
    2.9% bwahahahaha!!
  • A. Trolling(?)
    B.%2.9 of 1Billion+ Smartphone users is more than 29,000,000 Windows Phone Users. Try Again
    C. Reaping what? Since when did Microsoft try toactively destroy the competition by denying its services and products?
  • Based on your photo you're too young to know the history of your beloved Microsoft. They are notorious for using market dominance to destroy competition by refusing interopersbility. They did it with Netscspe Navigator which was a superior browser to their garbage Internet Explorer, they did it to O/S2, the list goes on and on. They've been fined and investigated all over the world for anti competitive behavior and illegal practices. Go look it up...it's all there and documented.
    Whe're they're forced to compete evenly their products and offerings just don't measure up. How's that Zune or that Kin, etc.?
  • Check this out.  This, Dustin, is what we call double think.  Watch him latch onto MS's history while ignoring Google's and Apple's anti-competitive practices.  It's quite silly really.  So yeah... I select option A.
    Hell... in the very end.  MS denied google money and spy information on us, and so they placed a cease and desist.  I recommend metrotube.  Excellent app.  That or Mytube which is getting better with each update.  
  • I could care less about Google or Apple. My mobile OS is Meego, my search engine is Duck Duck Go. I have no horse in this race unlike you.
  • So why comment on here then, you use a dead mobile OS and a search engine that hardly anyone uses!!!!
  • D. It's officially the third most popular mobile OS http://www.wpcentral.com/its-official-windows-phone-third-most-popular-smartphone-os this means that Google and other developers won't be able to ignore Windows Phone for much longer.
     
  • Go look at the reviews section on the app in the marketplace! All praising Microsoft and bashing Google!
  • Got rid of most google services a long term ago, just youtube left. Some company has to seriously challenge these bastards, it's full of ads, and a community of douchebags.  Vimeo, on the other hand, that's a class video sharing site.
  • Google won't develop an app, and they want MS to remove the app. They're behaving like spoilt brats....they dont want to eat candy but won't let anyone else eat it. Thats anti-competitive behaviour, IMHO
  • This is bullshit the old YouTube Skin cause it wasn't an app, blocked ads too! The real problem is this is as good if not better then the YouTube app on Android. Being a content provider on YouTube I can tell you that Google could give a shit less about me or anyone else that provides content. They treat us like we're disposable! This is about screwing Windows Phone and Microsoft!
  • BREAKING NEWS! The web version of YouTube doesn't show ads on videos either
  • That's right Microsoft, make Google do something.  Can't understand why they'll share with Apple but not Microsoft.  So glad they sent that reply letter.
  • keep fighting MS we gotch'ya Back!
  • Hey Microsoft. Block google from operating on Windows
  • The mains point is that youtube is FREE and nearly closed before google BUY it, a app cant block the way google makes money with it, I loved the download on Youtube app but is illegal!, not having ads is too good but you have to pay for it, watchig adversing is how you side pay the service so you can't block because a video streaming service is REALLY expensive. Little developers can do it that google may not mind but the HUGE Microsoft can't. That is what google is saying. 
  • Yet at the same time, this is not new. Google temporarily blocked Maps on Windows Phone once due to "incompatibility reasons" (Which were BS since Windows Phone 8 just came out and had a newer browser more than capable of using the web-app, and even the version of the OS to which did have a few issues, WP7, they didnt block). Not to mention, most of their mobile content have 0 ads. AKA: It makes nodifferent whether you use the Web version or Microsoft's version. No ads anyways. And how is downloading it illegal? As long as it is for private, personal use and is not used publicly or commercially it shouldnt violate any US laws. Google is hiding behind their T.O.S. In reality, they just dont want microsoft to have their products and want people to use Android and Chrome OS.
  • if you knew anything, Microsoft cannot allow adverts in the app even if they wanted to as google is not allowing them the official API. Until google allows this, the app will be ad free. And there is nothing illegal about downloading the videos, its just against the terms of use.
  • They would likely get sued for Anti-trust in Europe again (and America too). Its sad, but sounds likely to me if they were to do such a thing as block Google Services.
  • I downloaded the XAP on my PC so I can just load the XAP on my 920 even if they pull it or make any changes to it. Install the app on your phone using WP8 SDK Dev Sign In ヽ(`Д´)ノ
  • It still wouldn't work.  Google wants MS to throw the kill switch on all currently downloaded apps as well. 
  • I have to laugh at all the butt hurt 7.8 fanboys praising Google because WP8 is getting all the action!!!!
  • Reading all these comments makes me releived seeing there are many other people out there supporting MS and against Goggle and Andoid.
    I am in the right place here :)
  • Man I get everyone is angry but some of these comments are insane! Relax everyone u will get YouTube no matter what, and well you kinda already have it. So lets all relax and enjoy a beer huh?
  • Awesome response by Microsoft. 
    Exposed Google's hypocrisy of "Dont be evil"
  • Google are nothing compare to Microsoft. They just wanna harm WP so they have more success on their shitty Android.
  • This means payback guys :D Can't just Microsoft block Youtube on every Pc and tablet thet runs Windows?? That would done Youtube worthless?
  • Microsoft should block Youtube and google on all Windows Pc and tablets. That is the perfect payback :D
  • these kind of comments not even make sense, if Microsoft is fighting google to have youtube on its smartphone, why do they would block it on some other platform? If Mycrosoft block Google how can we search? With Bing?
  • I think Microsoft are right to take the moral high ground in this instance, blocking services on Windows PCs and Tablets makes them as bad as Google and hurts the users on Microsoft's platforms.
  • Has there been an update to the YT app today?
  • Responser letter is a slap in the face. Get owned Google.
  • I am glad the app doesn't have ads.  Being a YouTube Partner myself.  I honestly can say that ads do nothing but anoy your fanbase.  I didn't mind the ads YouTube had 3 or 4 years ago.  It's the preroll ads that piss me off.  I have to sit though a :30 second ad every 3 videos.  It is usually the same ad over and over.
  • There is no replacement for Youtube, every major site (including this one!) show all the videos on direct links or embeded links to Youtube. so for people telling to use Vimeo, that is only an option is you want to go and watch something in particular, but 90% of the web users post their videos on Youtube.. so yeah there is no replacment.
  • Hell, I'm an android user but this brings Google's stupidity to a WHOLE new level......
  • Google sucks.  Nuff said.
  • screwed google. MS go on
  • Wow, people on WPCentral are retards…
  • Taxi for Mr P. Nis.....
  • Yes return.  We are sofa king wee tod ed.
  • Wow, people from Android Central obviously can't read....
  • The app is already broken.
  • return_0...you and google definitely deserve each other :)
  • I think Microsoft would be best to call Google's bluff, and allow Google to initiate court proceedings. Microsoft isn't perfect, it did violate anti-trust laws back in the day. However, Microsoft these days has learned from its past mistakes and does deal well with its competitors. Google on the other hand has become a monopoly and is using its position to bully other companies and it is about time it was called on it. Microsoft is perfectly happy to comply by allowing pre-roll ads on videos, but Google wont allow Microsoft to do so.
  • Ok three problems with this whole thing.
    1) Microsoft was using open API's, none of which were API's that allowed adds, why didn't they use the API that supports adds? Because Google withheld that API from Microsoft.
    2) If it really was about add revenue, why didn't google just say fix it? I mean it's not like they couldn't put just the developers of the App on NDA. Think about it for a sec, if they had wanted the add revenue all they had to do was make an app or support an existing one.
    And 3) Microsoft could only be held culpable IF the API in question had been freely available. It's not like Microsoft didn't ask Google to make an app after all.
    If they didn't want third party apps there shouldn't be any open API's. That kinda defeats the purpose. In my opinion, yes I'm bringing the o word right out into the open, the only reason to demand the kill switch be used would be if Microsoft hand refused to make the changes, or if Google wanted to deny one platform reasonable access to their services (which would fall under antitrust for those of you who need captain obvious). After all, a two pony race is easier to win then a three pony race.
  • Yes Download Now. And Any other good YouTube App. But here's my question. Before the Apple Craze surged through the history books.......What type of computer were using to search on Google? A PC Thank You by your silence I know You know that BOTH GOOGLE AND APPLE would NOT be where they are today if it wasn't for Microsoft. Stop being the stuck up wannabe world power that you think you are Google!!!
  • Im boycotting Google. As their long time supporter, i feel ashamed of them
  • Why does Google claim MS blocked their ads? Its an outright lie, it is Google who blocked it by not giving MS the APIs
  • Still no 7.x