YouTube Access and Windows Phone: Microsoft throws down the gauntlet

This one has been brewing for a while and it seems that the rhetoric is now stepping up as Microsoft and Google prepare to do battle. The stage has been set and much of the coming drama will focus on Windows Phone.

Microsoft has today written publically about Google’s direct refusal to open up YouTube access so that Windows Phone users can easily use the service when mobile, something we first reported back in March 2011. The plot thickens when we learn that Microsoft has a high quality YouTube app ready to release. Don’t be evil, read on past the break to find out more.

In the lengthy post released today Dave Heiner wrote about Microsoft’s on-going concerns about Google’s misconduct on a number of issues. Here are some of the key points relating to how this is affecting Windows Phone.

“In 2010 and again more recently, Google blocked Microsoft’s new Windows Phones from operating properly with YouTube. Google has enabled its own Android phones to access YouTube so that users can search for video categories, find favourites, see ratings, and so forth in the rich user interfaces offered by those phones. It’s done the same thing for the iPhones offered by Apple, which doesn’t offer a competing search service.Unfortunately, Google has refused to allow Microsoft’s new Windows Phones to access this YouTube metadata in the same way that Android phones and iPhones do. As a result, Microsoft’s YouTube “app” on Windows Phones is basically just a browser displaying YouTube’s mobile Web site, without the rich functionality offered on competing phones. Microsoft is ready to release a high quality YouTube app for Windows Phone. We just need permission to access YouTube in the way that other phones already do, permission Google has refused to provide.”  - Dave Heiner Vice President & Deputy General Counsel, Microsoft

“We just need permission to access YouTube in the way that other phones already do, permission Google has refused to provide.”

I recently wrote in length on the situation with a lack of Google Apps and services for Windows Phone. While I argued that many of the services are simply not needed there remain gaps where Microsoft does not offer a competing offering. One such example and source of much discussion was that of YouTube, the official app from Microsoft is not only weak it was recently rendered non-working by API changes.We do have capable replacements but they are all regularly broken by these changes and it’s disastrous for the many users who wish to access the service. 

YouTube Access and Windows Phone: Microsoft throws down the gauntlet

Google is a web company and so it is natural to think that its services should be easily accessible with the built in HTML 5 compliant Internet Explorer. Sadly we also see examples of requests for certain pages to be redirected back to the Google landing page. There is much to suggest that Google sees Windows Phone as a natural competitor to its market share in mobile due to the similarities in how the OS is delivered through independent manufacturers.

"Microsoft is ready to release a high quality YouTube app for Windows Phone.."

Even under the scrutiny of regulators in the US and the EU, Google continue to actively deny Microsoft fair access to their services on Windows Phone. The recent post from Microsoft shows that they are going to peruse these incidents openly. Microsoft are highlighting Windows Phone as a key area of open denial to services but also mention patent issues and complaints about Search.

“Despite government scrutiny, Google continues to block Microsoft from offering its customers proper access to YouTube. This is an important issue because consumers value YouTube access on their phone: YouTube apps on the Android and Apple platforms were two of the most downloaded mobile applications in 2012, according to recent news reports. Yet Google still refuses to allow Windows Phone users to have the same access to YouTube that Android and Apple customers enjoy. Microsoft has continued to engage with YouTube personnel over the past two years to remedy this problem for consumers. As you might expect, it appears that YouTube itself would like all customers – on Windows Phone as on any other device – to have a great YouTube experience. But just last month we learned from YouTube that senior executives at Google told them not to enable a first-class YouTube experience on Windows Phones.” - Dave Heiner Vice President & Deputy General Counsel, Microsoft

The odd thing here is that it sounds like Google execs are blocking YouTube from providing this service to Windows Phone users. YouTube have an app for Microsoft’s Xbox 360 console and of course uses the Windows operating system as the main delivery method for all its services through its own Google Chrome browser and Internet Explorer. Why should the web advertising company feel so threatened by Windows Phone considering the currently small market share it possesses?

"But just last month we learned from YouTube that senior executives at Google told them not to enable a first-class YouTube experience on Windows Phones.."

One glaring answer for all this malice from Google could of course be their simmering rage that Microsoft is now allegedly making more money from Android than Google itself. Microsoft has been busy behind closed doors signing everyone using Android to pay royalties on each device sold. Some believe that Google should be charged with dumping their OS in the marketplace, making a product free that’s based on long held patents for which it has not paid. 

One thing is for certain, the battle between these two giants is only getting started. We would hope that some sensible agreement between the two companies can be reached before it comes to blows. As this tit for tat ramps up could we see Microsoft block Google from its operating systems? We have already seen Google drop consumer support for ActiveSync which will directly affect users and make it harder for those with Gmail accounts to use Windows Phone. As entertaining as it would be to see these two go head to head it will only hurt users in the long run.

We’d like to hear from you guys on what you think about this on-going drama and ideas for what can be done about it. Comments are now open, so sound off.

Source: Technet (opens in new tab) (Microsoft); via ZDNet Mary Jo Foley

Robert Brand
  • Google sucks...
  • Thank you for that insightful analysis
  • You're welcome. I usually charge but for you it's free.
  • HAHA love it..
  • +1 lmao
  • No analysis needed.
    Google sucks for doing this.
    When I first read about sh** like this from Google (first with Gmail, and now Youtube?),
    I decided to stop using Gmail altogether. I'm a WP fan and if Google wants me to pick, I pick WP! I imported all my emails to my new Outlook account using Microsoft Trueswitch. It worked like a charm..
    and the rest is.. history.
  • @Machina - Agreed....  I switched to an Outlook . com account and used Trueswitch to transfer all of my emails.  Now I only use my gmail account to log into Google+ and Google Voice.
    I actually owe google a thank you for finally making it hurt enough to make the switch.
  • I wonder... should Microsoft ban Chrome from the desktop OS ? Just to see how Google will react to that..
  • A few years ago, Google fought MS for system-wide search rights on Vista, and the EU forced MS to offer some choices (if I remember it correctly). It seems petty now for Google to do this via YouTube, but MS would be fined for such a move to restrict Chrome on Windows, and all the "monopoly" police would be out in force.
  • Yes. And also disable using all Google products. Not sure how but somehow.
  • google sucks!!!... microsoft should ban google ... hmm
  • Microsoft SHOULD threaten Google with dumping their services if they don't cooperate more.  Why should Microsoft have to play ball with Google but Google be allowed to refuse services that they only acquired in recent years (meaning their YouTube acquisition, which I feel was a TERRIBLE thing for users/consumers) to a company that is the sole reason of why they exist in the first place?  How high is the percentage of YouTube hits coming from Windows operating systems?  I'd venture to guess at least 80%.  Before there was Chrome it was mostly IE and some Firefox access.  I bet the YouTube crew are sad that they can't fully extend onto the Windows Phone platform.  If this continues, I hope Microsoft stab Google in the back by shutting the company out entirely (if they can find a way to do it without having their hand forced by government officials to overturn).  We'll see how long they last at that point.  No it's not all good for consumers, but porting your calendars and email from one service to the next is pretty easy.  Nobody's going to miss Google+ or GooglePlay on PC's anyways.
  • What have the industry come to..
  • I remember when google was really open to other platforms and giving to its users
  • Google sucks!
  • If I were actually a google fan... +1 But I refuse to use google services (excluding YouTube, cause there's no viable alternative)... especially the silly and useless google+
  • I am much same as you. The only google service i will use is YouTube. 
    It's just a shame you have to go for a third party app such as MetroTube to have a good experience with it on Windows Phone.
    Albeit MetroTube is great but most people won't want to pay for a YouTube app when there should be a decent quality native version.
  • MetroTube is free. Trial is full version. You only pay to support them, but I know what you mean.
  • I only  used to use Youtube, that was it. I paid for metrotube and am very happy. I have twins and wanted to get 2 Surface tablets for my 7.75 year olds. Lets see. $1100 for 2 Surface versus $460 for 2 android tablets that will get trashed. I brokedown. I will still get 2 Surface tabs for the wife and I. I used to be Total MS, I will never breakdown for iCrap.
  • Tablets for 8 year olds. Sigh.
  • lol.. ditto.
  • I signed up for smartphones and tablets when my kids were in womb to make sure they were cool when they were born.
  • Have you heard of PrimeTube, its free and a great quality alternative to MetroTube.
  • Metro Tube is better than the iPhone Youtube app and Androids iTunes app. I love the layout and it just works.
  • F... Google!
  • Google Eeeeevvviillllll
  • YouTube and Google Reader are the only Google services I currently use. I wish I could get rid of them but there's not a suitable replacement, especially for YouTube. Anyway, I'm really not liking Google at all. They are becoming what they rejected.
  • I'm in the same boat.  Someone pointed me to Nextgen Reader until I realized it is just an interface to Google Reader.  *sigh*
  • Metrotube and Weave
  • +1 Google is another Netscape, history always repeats: Microsoft remains, others disappear.
  • What video sharing site does Metrotube interface with? Third party RSS are cool but what about when I want to read them on my computer or tablet? This is why Google Reader is great because it keeps your feeds information synced no matter what device you access it from.
  • this is why there should be a replacement for YouTube. A MS owned service. I am done with google. It is either MS products and worse case apple
  • I agree. Why not start your own video service & call it SkyView or something relevant to MS. Look how much ground Vevo is starting to pick up. I say go for the gusto & bring in something new. YouWho?
  • And block Android and chrome OS... (and google+)
  • Yeah block Google stuff on Windows...
  • I say Microsoft should buy Vimeo and make it more like YouTube.
  • Exactly... Vimeo can be a real competitor to YouTube ...
  • And Vimeo looks waayyy better than YouTube
  • Agreed. Plus there's already apps established for almost all major platforms.
  • good idea..
  • You got it wrong. They never rejected it. They were always hypocritical bastards but and the signs were always there but now that they are in a position of power it becomes obvious to everybody.
  •   Totally in the same boat. There's still nothing better than GReader, and YouTube is still great.   Personally, I don't care that much about either of them - YouTube's mobile browser site is perfectly adequate for my needs, and there are GRreader clients (such as FeedWorm) for WP7 that kick many kinds of arse.   But despite my personal nonchalance, I think if MS is good at anything, it's business tactics. Google has long been seen as a kind of benefactor, a giver-away of good free stuff. MS is one of the few businesses with the power to drag them through the mud and take off a bit of that shine.
  • google is a giver-away of free stuff the same way that a fisherman gives away free worms.
  • Very good. Very good indeed. 10 points.
  • + a googol
  • LOL, well said
  • Google is setting themselves for an anti-trust suit if they keep this up.
  • They already should. They have overstepped the bounds of fair competition MANY MANY times.  Look at what they are doing towards Microsoft through Motorolla.
  • Anti trust suit! Lolz! If there was, it would have happened a year or two ago. If it doesn't have MS attached to the suit, nothing will happen.
  • Actually, the FTC is often the party to initiate an antitrust suit with the goal of consumer protection, and such a suit can take years to research prior to filing.
  • I believe they are already under review by the FTC...
  • Not cool Google, not cool.
  • Even Ubuntu Mobile has Google's support!
  • except gogle will never allow it to be sold.
  • Work with Apple, not with google
  • This sounds eerily similar to the Palm versus Apple dispute regarding iTunes sync. Disturbing to say the least.
  • Google needs a beat down. I'm for hire.
  • I'll pay. How much to punch Eric Schmidt right in the tesitcles?
  • I'll do it for free !
  • I'm confused on this one. Is Google just changing the API to actively deny Microsoft, or is Google changing the API and that breaks Microsoft's app until it's updated to work with the new changes to the API?
  • They changed the API and the dev of a WP youtube app has already said that they have the fix in and waiting for apporval. 
  • The breaking of the API is something completely different.  Google won't allow Microsoft to legally access HD YouTube videos on mobile. The third-party apps on the WP Store do this by technically bypassing Google's API, in other words, they violate Google's usage request. The reason why MS can't release their own MetroTube is because they're obviously under a lot more scrutiny and can't get away with what indie devs are doing.
  • Has Google not released their own YouTube app for Windows Phone? I'm wondering if there's more to the story than we publicly see. Google makes the app for both Android and Apple. Regardless, thanks for the insight into this situation.
  • No, Google has not released a YouTube app for Windows Phone...that's the point. They won't and have said they won't.
  • No, Google refuses to make apps for Windows Phone, and does whatever it can to stop any apps meant to use Google services not work correctly.
  • To be fair, I don't recall nextgenreader, a google reader client, ever breaking because of google
  • Thats a service that Google doesn't update too often. Also, it doesn't require devs to skirt around Google with undocumented APIs like Youtube does.
  • Google have said they are nit developing any software for Windows Phone, and Windows 8. (I think that includes RT)
  • Based on the article, I'd say it's the former, especially when the article quotes "We just need permission to access YouTube in the way that other phones already do, permission Google has refused to provide.”. 
    From that, it sounds like the app isn't broken due to changes in API, but that the app can't even access Youtube simply because Google just says no. 
    But that's based on this article.  I haven't really looked for any other sources of info that supports this or gives the other side of the story yet.
  • Yall are completely misunderstanding this. Lol.
  • Then why don't you correct him. Lol.
  • Daniel already did.
  • This is exactly what I was saying, I absolutely believe the win phone is a direct competitor to the android OS and google is showing fear by actually blocking the devices.
  • MS should have bought You Tube before Google got their hands on it, I was surprised they didn't at the time.
  • What would the world now be like...?
  • Based off of MS's past success with buying stuff, YT would of been renamed 3 times, would of folded into Live, before untimatly being killed in favor of XboxTube after they spent 1.3 billion on it. 
  • Like they did with Skype, huh?
  • Live is bring rolled into Skype...
  • Better ? ;]
  • Isn't it about time we begin, as a community, boycotting Google and its products?
  • I already stopped using Chrome on my computer and stopped using Gmail. From now on, bye bye YouTube. I will use Bing/MSN videos and Vimeo.
  • Yup. I did this:
    GMAIL ->Outlook
    Google Apps -> Skydrive
    Chrome -> IE
    Google -> BING (reluctantly going back if I need search by date)
    All my audio is with iTunes until MS have a music locker and music matching working 100% then I am off Apple too.
    YouTube is the only thing left. MS need to win this somehow.
  • Me too:
    Gmail -> Outlook
    Chrome (as secondary browser) -> Firefox (as secondary browser)
    Google -> Bing
    Picasa -> Live Photo gallery (and some other programs)
    I even looked into Vimeo, but it isn't the same. There is no YouTube alernative.
  • I have already migrated away from Gmail but the one thing that I don't see myself moving away from, is YouTube. No other VOD service can match it in content right now, and I don't see that changing either.
  • I'm already there brah...completely de-googlized for 2013
  • Yes it is, no need to support evil-doers.
  • Just ported my Google Voice number to ATT - that was the last of my Google accounts that I actually use...
  • I wish there was something that was equivalent out there, but there isn't.  GV is more than a nice-to-have for me.  It's a way of life.
  • Yea, google voice is a hardone to give up....wish MS had a true "free" product like that.
  • Yes, but not because of this although it does underscore the problem. They are starting to abuse power.
  • Yea, I already started doing this too. I started well before these issues and for different reasons, but this just confirms my decision. I haven't found a good alternative for google reader though. There are other RSS apps, but nothing that syncs across the phone and computer. Unless I completely missed something. As far as YouTube is concerned, I don't see me giving up on that anytime soon. I don't even think I know anyone that knows what Vimeo is. I am fine with saying "I don't have that app" but not with saying, "I can't watch that YouTube vid, upload it to Vimeo"
  • Why didn't you folks use MS's ecosystem in the first place? You all own WP. Use it to your advantage.
  • The only google service I have actively used is YouTube..i have never used Gmail,etc actively. I have a Gmail account only for Gtalk and YouTube.. Man, I sometimes can't believe that google has gotten into every sphere of virtual life..damn!!
  • After Google's Gmail fiasco I went over to outlook full time. I still use YouTube and Google reader though as I haven't found any suitable alternatives.
  • I don't care for Google's tactics. But until there is a viable YouTube competitor, no can do
  • Would it make sense for Microsoft to create a free video hosting service like YouTube?  Maybe integrate it with SkyDrive somehow?
    Google makes money of ads, but Microsoft has a different business model, so I don't know how they would make money on something like this.
  • What MS should do is buy Vimeo, it's already a good alternative to YouTube. It just needs more promotion and content, Done right it could easily overtake YouTube and its annoying UI changes
  •   Microsoft has dabbled with video services but YouTube is something they couldn’t really compete with at this point. There are services like Vevo and Vimeo which have nice apps for Windows Phone but this isn’t really YouTube beating stuff. 
  • MS had something like Youtube but it never really took off.  I can't even remember what it was called.  In the end Youtube gained the brand recognition first and that is all that matters.  Thats why MS paid 9 billion dollars for Skype even though their already had VOIP technology of their own.
  • It was called MSN Soapbox, or officially, Soapbox on MSN Video. It started in 2006, and was shut down in August 2009 as it never really took off.
  • Soapbox.
  • Soapbox - it was never even close to a YouTube competitor.

  • You create an awesome video service and then you only allow access to xbox live gold subscribers. 
    You give a watered down version available to general users (AKA xbox live silver subscribers) but you use BING ads on the page
    This gives you added Gold subscriptions and causes some people to think "Hey, I already have a Gold Subscription..let me get an xbox and check this out too"
  • Does Google somehow lose out on ad revenue through this mobile app, becasue I see no reason why they would block anyone even Microsoft as long as they are still getting their due, especially if someone else already did the developement for the app.
  • Maybe they would rather lose the income, then support WP?
  • Do it. Block Google products from installing in Windows. See how fast they change their tune. LOL.
    Just uninstalled Chrome.
  • They can't do that, that would be like the most anti-competitive move in the history of anti-competitive moves
  • Especially since MS just ended a long tenure of being under Anti-Trust rulings
  • yes but Google do just that with Windows phone user so....
  • me too just Uninstalled chrome
  • Plus 1 on all chrome uninstalls.
  • I just uninstall chrome and kill my gmail acount....
  • I think it should be mentioned right now that Chrome is built of the Chromium project which is effectively the same browser without googles input.
    I personally use a browser called Comodo which is built off Chromium but with better security features. If microsoft would just add scripting to IE then i would be devoid of this completely but they just never seem to...
  • Surprisingly, IE10 works better and it's faster than Chrome on Windows 8 so I didn't even bother installing Chrome. And now after reading this article, I don't think I will ever use a Google service again... I hope. Wish me luck.
  • MS should block youtube on IE
  • LOL! My kids and any one of the other 10's of millions who don't know of 3rd party browsers would freak the ef out if they couldn't get on YT.
  • LOL.
  • At least redirect users to their open letter about Google's evil ways before letting them get to YouTube.
  • Can we get a Bing Videos app from MS? LOL! 
  • MSN videos.
  • Two things:
    1. There is an MSN Videos app that does
    2. Bing Videos is actually integrated into the Bing Search "app" on Windows Phone 8.  So no need for a seperate app.
  • Anti competitive behavior from Google? Who didn't see that coming? Microsoft can exercise some serious klout with their OS and their enterprise offerings. MS could make life difficult for Google if it so chooses.
  • We need Google and Google needs us. Make love not war. I dont understand Google's problem.
  • AGREED!!!
  • Google sucks man not only do I dislike their mobile stuff but I really REALLY HATE THAT THEY FUCKED UP YOUTUBE FUCK ADS
  • Yeah the ad situation on Youtube is getting out of control. I use to listen to music on it a lot, but I had to give up because every song was preceded by 30 second political campaign commercials.
  • Its basically an ad-porn site. Let them continue though. They're just paving the way for a new and better video site
  • Out of control is an understatement
  • Fucking google
  • Basically there is no public API for YouTube and they don't want to make a native app for WP or give anyone else access to the private API to make a 3rd party app.  I guess it's within their right to do so, but it seems like a lame move by Google, espcially when MS is willing to do the work to make an app for them.
  • Google needs to get there hands slapped hard. This is so anti-competitive it's silly its been allowed to go on this long.
  • can we slap it with an axe?
  • Hehe +1 =)
  • Being anti-competitive isn't by itself illegal - the burden for illegality is much higher.
  • True.
  • A part of me wants to see a really bloody battle where Microsoft steps up and body slams Google on the mat at the end. The other half wants a nice resolution where all services work on all platforms.
    SMACK! The nice half just got beat down by the battle half.
    Let's Rumble!
  • Simple..Microsoft threaten to block on desktops ( at a stroke Google would lose 50 % of its income )....then see them squirm. Hopefully it all gets sorted amicably but when company resort to blatant protectionism...some times only the big stick works.
  • Yeah its obvious Microsoft has the upper hand its just a matter of how far Microsoft is willing to take it.
  • "But just last month we learned from YouTube that senior executives at Google told them not to enable a first-class YouTube experience on Windows Phones.”   Where's the proof? What did you learn? Does google have someone working there named "YouTube"? Sounds like this should be rated a 1 on the rumor meter. But I guess it gets clicks eh. 
  • Your tone is quitte disparaging and if you follow our links, you would get the whole story. But I'll hold your hand on this one since you're having trouble:
    "Microsoft is ready to release a high quality YouTube app for Windows Phone. We just need permission to access YouTube in the way that other phones already do, permission Google has refused to provide." -- Brad Smith, Senior Vice President & General Counsel at Microsoft
    The person who you're quoting in the article is the Vice President & Deputy General Counsel, Dave Heiner of Microsoft. So I'm not sure how this would be classified a "rumor" unless you're just calling Microsoft liars?
  • I don't follow links if I don't know what you are linking too. You may see the comment as disparaging, I see the comment as asking questions that wasn't answered.
    I see that the article has been updated to show what exactly MS is talking about in the article. MY comment wasn't about the article itself, more so about the the comment MS made as to what it "learned" and how it learned such infomation. 
  • So, you are just a person who blindly reads "articles" or "blogs" on the Interwebz, yet doesn't follow up on the source links that are provided so you learn the whole story, or what is being discussed?  Mm-kay.  Love that logic of yours.
  • SMH
  • accept it... you were called out
  • ...and you can't spell =/
  • You're an idiot
  • You sir are an idi@t!!!
  • Dum dum.
  • Where would google be without Microsoft's products
  • google feels stronger then microsoft windows, are they? would people stop using windows system if they didn't let  you tube, crome browser or google search on it? would all those users switch to mac? maybe this is something to think about, people would need a replacement of youtube, people use it alot
  • MS should modify EAS to deny Android devices. Goodbye Android.
  • Dear consumer,
    As of Jan 30, 2013, MS will no longer support Exchange on Android. BTW, fuck off Google.
  •   Well, that is pretty much what many Windows Phone users have been forced into. This is a real shame as its causing issues for users, some of whom have little idea how to cope with such a change. I don’t think we can expect to see a peaceful end to this situation. Only more issues lay ahead.
  • I realize this is pure fantasy, but until MS is supporting all of EAS on WP, I can't do anything but shake my head at this angle...  Yes, google is redefining evil protectionism, and it is negatively impacting those of us who use WP.  But I haven't been able to use my corporate email on my phone for 2 years because WP7 doesn't support device encryption.  And now WP8 doesn't support removable storage, even on the devices that don't have removable storage.  Several co-workers jumped on the 920 only to find that it won't work with our EAS.  They all got returned, and went with Android, maybe one of them with iOS.  Until that gets fixed, EAS is NOT a valid bargaining chip.
  • WP7.x devices don't (and won't) support encryption, but all WP8 devices are already encrypted and can be controlled via EAS policies (I'm using one right now with EAS that has encryption requirements - it forces a PIN and a few other settings with the lock screen and timeouts, but otherwise it works without issue).  If the 920 doesn't work with your EAS, the problem is probably with your EAS configuration (I've seen issues where EAS policies that require cards to be encrypted fail on WP8 devices that don't have card slots, but that's the only outlier I've seen - given email storage is always on-device for WP devices, it's a minor issue, but it exists and can cause devices that are encrypted to report as not).
  • No, WP8 still does not support all EAS policies. It's unbelievable and clearly another indicator that MS is not serious about pushing these devices into the enterprise. Alphanumeric unlock code is just one example.
  • I said it before and I'll say it again! If it wasn't for Microsoft Google wouldn't exist! So shame on you Google!
  • Does Google somehow lose out on ad revenue through this mobile app, becasue I see no reason why they would block anyone even Microsoft as long as they are still getting their due, especially if someone else already did the developement for the app?
  • I wonder if they think that YouTube is so important that users will not make the switch to WP without it.
  • I don't think its the ad revenue more so the threat that WP is to Android. See MS is targeting Android for their lack of cohesive UI across devices, upgrade questionability (despite WP7 --> WP8), as well as the ability to offer different hardware choices unlike iOS. Google is just using what weapons they have to stifle WP before it reaches critical mass and they have a real problem on their hands. It sucks for us but thats business. In the meantime I've done what I can to support Microsoft and remove G from my life.
  • You know what would piss Google off? MS hijacking Android and steering its development course out of the hands of Google.
  • Samsung is already doing that rather successfully.
  • YouTube is the only google service I use and I never really use it on my phone because the screen size.
  • That sucks, but I'm quite happy with MetroTube.
  • On the subject of YouTube, I could care less. I rarely use it and don't see it as an essential service in any way.
    On the subject of one company limiting access to a competitor, that smacks of anti-competetive behavior and should be looked into. It shouldn't take a lawsuit to get action, regulators should be paying attention and already be involved. I'd guess they aren't though, since most of the media sees Google as the "upstart" and MS as the "evil empire", despite the facts of recent days putting the lie to that ongoing fallacy.
    Unfortunately, most people don't look beyond the shallow, biased media reports.
  • *Couldn't care less.
  • Google are a bunch of cock knocker's and i will never go back to "open" Android. Trying to persuade everyone i know to do the switch.
  • Lol
    Cock knockers :)
  • Time for WP Tube! Lets beat goggle at its own game. Removing all my google crap...
  • I am not gonna engage in some of the usual anti-Google rhetoric that goes on here. But to say this is childish, petty, and stupid would be an understatement. As was pointed out, they have a 360 app that is pretty darn good. What is it about WP that has them acting this way? Its not like people don't want the app. So why alienate users like that?
  • Cause they're dicks
  • People are reviewing the Google app with 1 star because of this as well. Good way of showing our feelings
  • Just makes it difficult for us users. Causes more headaches and pain because someone wants to be greedy. This world is in serious trouble! People need to find Jesus!!
  • MetroTube will always be the best.
  • It might not always be there if Google blocks some of the unofficial permissions its using.
  • They won't. They have people making 3rd party apps on their bed partner's OS.
  • Never thought I'd see the day where I would stop using Google products. I was a staunch supporter for the longest time, but lately they've been leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
  • +1 I sang google's praises for so long. They hardly seem like the same company anymore
  • They're the same company.  Companies are always looking out for their own best interest, Google was never an exception.  Just for a long time their best interest aligned with a lot of consumer's best interests.  It seems that's becoming less and less the case.  The "Do No Evil" nonsense was probably the funniest catchphrase in the history of company propaganda.
  • Google should think again , maybe they have the biggest market share on the smartphone world but when it comes to Computers Microsoft is the King and i don't think they will permit this kind of behavior.......
  • I fucking hate google. i will never buy an android device again.
  • what about metro tube will that work, i don't get it
  • Metrotube is working, but every time Google changes APIs it gets broken, then we have to wait for an update. Having an official solution would be the best.
  • I imagine if you drill down deep enough YouTube isn't the only service that Google have tainted for Microsoft users ...
    For instance many applications, free or shareware, have 'an option' that is normally checked to install by default Google's Search Toolbar on Internet Explorer
    Over the course of my career this toolbar is one of those things that inherantly degrade Internet Explorer's speed and capability (and I would hazard a guess this has been a ploy of Google's too), so users would move to Chrome or other browser. As soon as I see this toolbar on a PC that I'm working on and uninstall it, things just seem to operate better.
    This is just my observation, YouTube degradation on WPhone is just one part of the shady business practices of Google. 
  • Very true. I do the same
  • The tool bar nonsense disgusts me. Went round to my sister's once, she said her internet was really slow. I clicked internet explorer, holy cow, must have been 6 different toolbar things there, plus some shizzle that linked to a wallpapers site and those smiley things. Cunning buggers.
  • Yeah I always uninstall them on my friends and family's computers when troubleshooting problems.
  • Adobe Flash updates - too many people install Google Chrome without knowing it.
  • Don't do evil, sure yeah.
  • Google is just being dickish about the whole thing.  Ending EAS support hurts their OWN users. 
    Regardless, I don't see how denying YouTube to Windows Phone is something that crosses the line into unfair practices.  Google is free to make apps available to whomever they wish.  Access isn't denied, but limited.  Still, Google is just acting dickish.  Microsoft would be wise to not retaliate by being restrictive in return. 
  • Its about deny access to the API. MS is not asking anyone to write apps for them.
  • what about metro tube will that work, i don't get it
  • IMHO, if I were a Google World user, I would be looking to open a user account with any other company, right about now. In an all out war, MS would easily bury Google, unfortunately for the Google users and employees. Get your own domain or a Yahoo! account or an account and just stop worrying. I wouldn't want to go to sleep worrying about how healthy my online ecosystem is going to be when I wake up and whether or not I can access it through my pc or mobile device. Terrible to say, but denying their users access to their services just because they use a Windows Phone is not a responsible decision in today's technologically collaborative World and who knows to what drastic measures that island-esque business model could take them.
  • Buy Vimeo
  • I'd say partner with Vimeo, just give them funding and support to increase the breadth of their video services and marketing.
  • MS can not block Google on their OS variants. That would get them into trouble with EU law. However, they can go to court in the EU and win this one hands down. In a way they are the precedent when they refused to publish Windows hidden api connections, they lost that suit and thus YouTube would certainty loose as well.
    sounds to me like google are scared of wp8 XD
  • Ultimately, Google is just pissing off its own users. They should stop this childish behavior and embrace all platforms as a way to expand user-ship. If their products are good, then everyone will beat a path to their door.
  • Microsoft should all the sudden "break" all Google services for Windows. "Oops, we didn't realize that chrome was broken on the latest build, give us 6-8 months to fix that." or "sorry but a recent 'bug' is not allowing access to YouTube from IE, were working on a fix that'll be released sometime next year." That would make them change their tune real fast!
  • I worry that would somehow feed into the public perception that Microsoft is fundamentally failing and cause the google mouthpiece to incite a move to more of their services as a viable alternative. For some reason there is equal hate/apathy to Microsoft from the tech media... =/
  • what you get when one company pwns the whole damn Internet....
  • This pales in comparison to what Microsoft has done in the past.  Seems their misdeeds have been catching up with them in recent years.  Karma?  Or is this the natural result of all the MS employees Google poached? :)
    Too bad us consumers are caught in the middle of it all, as usual.
  • So 10 years of extremely restricted business practices, the inability to bundle their software with their hardware (including the 3rd party PC makers) and a humongous fine wasn't enough. These punishments are what allowed Apple and Google the opportunity to be the powerhouses they are. It is only fair those two companies should be subject to the same rules and punishment.
  • +1
  • I don't get how google thinks this is a good idea. I guess I can see it for youtube, because people aren't going to leave that service, but everything else, microsoft has a good alternative to that more and more people are going to leave google for. I already think bing is starting to get better than google's search, their image search sure is. Bing maps just needs more places and buildings programmed in and I'm sure it would be better than google maps. I feel like Google should want to give WP users the best google experience possible otherwise you are just increasing microsoft marketshare
  • The "Don't do evil" Google it's long gone. Today google it's just a greedy corporation.....
  • Sounds like Google has no confidence in their own mobile OS. Acting like possessive kids in a playground with only one ball to share. If I was Google, I would gladly let Microsoft have at it with their YouTube app. If I was Google, I would say, "Sure, go ahead. Let's see how you do against us, the market leader in mobile. Har har har." Not, "Wah wah. You can't have it." No confidence.
  • I believe it is Google's way of attacking Windows Phone because Microsoft is getting paid by nearly every Android handset maker due to patent infringements on Microsoft's intellectual property. Windows Mobile was a strong and robust mobile OS for a long time and Android was clearly built upon many of it's principles and patents.
  • I know it won't do us users any good.....but I think I'm up for an all out war!!!!
    I only see this as stupid petty behaviour from Google and really it isn't right.....Hmmm, maye i'll block access to google for our whole company :P
  • Lolz @ blocking google access for the whole itttttt you know you want to!!
  • What am I missing?  MetroTube app works beautifully.  It even has full video scrubbing... something MS doesn't seem to want to provide in their built in media player.  I doubt MS could build an app more spectacular then MetroTube. 
  • They work from week to week. This is the reason you see the great app pulled from the marketplace approx every month and the app stops working properly.
  • If MS blocks Google services, it will be Microsoft to loose. People will want to access YouTube and Gmail and other stuff Google offers before they care what OS they're using - MS or iOS.
    It's quite understandable that Google doesn't want to make life easy for WP. What the hell, that's called market competition. No one can force Google to allow MS to access their stuff, just like no one can force MS to allow Google access to their OS's.
    Yet, if they both get in each others throats, you know who will win? Apple. I personally don't care about this war. I have a Windows Phone. and I'll switch to Android or iOS. But not because I can't get a proper YouTube App, or because Google is blocking MS and vice-versa. I'll switch because WP has many inadmissible deficiencies that no smartphone in 2013 should have, deficiencies that will not be fixed in any near future because of MS pure stuborness.
  • Care to enlighten us on said inadmissabe deficiencies?
  • Sure, here's 3 of the most basic errors MS insists in keeping in WP:
    - Capacity to personalize sms/email/alarm/etc tones. Any 10yo cellphone was able to do that. Not WP.
    - The volume of the call ringtone is embed with the volume of the videos. On cellphones who brag themselves of being excelent for listening to music and making/watching videos, you HAVE to separate the ringtone volume from the rest of the apps volume. - Lack of ability to organize your stuff. You can't create folders, you can't manage your files, you can't select a bunch of items at once (imagine you want to erase more than one photo from your phone. You can't. You have to delete them one by one) (This one is arguably a "deficiency". I consider it so and here's why: If you base your phone in a colour tile system, you can't really "tell" people which colours they can or can't use. Specially if your emphasis is on how you can make your phone "your own". A colour wheel for the tiles is an obvious need if MS wants to go beyond false propaganda)
  • Can you enlighten us on the WP "deficiencies" you are talking about?
  • Please see my answer to "vafo" above ;)
  • One mans deficiencies are another mans advantages...its all in your mind or inability to comprehend. =[
  • True. Though this time, that is not the case. WP deficiencies aren't advantages to anyone. See my answer to "vafo" above ;)
  • I don't know, those deficiencies sound more like pure personal preference to me. I went with WP because I needed something more straight and to the point after years of tinkering with Windows Mobile. That was when I was single. Since I got married and had a child I don't have time to organize folders on my phone, find the right hex value to produce the color I want, and decide whether I want my alert to be the Zelda item catch tone or Final Fantasy. I want my phone to do what I need it to without fuss and maybe eke out time for myself to play games. If I really want to customize technology that's what my desktop and my Surface are for.
  • Well, it so happens that such "pure personal preference" are common to the vast majority of people around the World. Unless Microsoft is aiming their phones to people who don't really care about phones, well, then they'll have a thought time surviving. Housewives and old people aren't enough to keep a company selling.
    (It seems that's their path though. "Kid's Corner" just springs to mind. Who the hell allows children to play with a 700€ phone?) If you have ever used Microsoft's Suggestion Box, you should have seen that those are basic major flaws that people complain about. Just because YOU don't need them, it doesn't mean the 99% of people left don't. If Microsoft wants to keep their phones with these lack of capabilities, they can't really complain if people keep choosing Apple and Google over them. With all their flaws - and God knows there are many - Apple and Google provide people with what they want. The same can't be said about Microsoft who insists in telling people what they should want. 
    And they can't complain if Google doesn't want to support WP in any way (either by not developing Apps or by refusing access to content)
  • Sorry but I'll have to disagree.  MS has entire marketing departments dedicated to finding out what the common man wants.  Technocrats, like yourself, do not speak for them and are clearly out of touch.  The average joe/jane does not give a flying flip about customizing their phone beyond maybe changing their background and setting custom ringtones for their friends.  I'm not saying what you ask for is wrong or bad but it is a specific want and no amount of you saying "we need this" will change that "we" into anything more than a royal one.  Telling me that MS has all these suggestìons in their box means nothing because the average person doesn't even realize MS has one.  It's only people like you and I who frequent sites like WPCentral that know about it or maybe some people hear of it when MS occasionally sends out a survey.  And sorry to burst your bubble but parents give their phones to their kids all the time.  A tired mom will happily hand her phone to her kid to have even a moment of peace and MS knows it.  Why do you think Angry Birds is so popular, it isn't just adults playing it.  If you want proof of that, go outside and look around.
  • This is amazing how things work one way and not another. Imagine what would happen if Microsoft blocked Google's overrated search engine from operating on any Windows OS. Google would go legal happy.
  • As a long term Android & gmail user this attitude by Google disgusts me. I have already made a hot mail account and forwarded all gmail to it. Next I will be switching all my gmail accounts to hotmail for my Lumia 920.
  • They're trying to take windows phone out
  • MS could kill off android very quick if they wanted too, but they are not the wankers that google are trying to be right now.
    WP growth outpaced andriod growth 4 to 1 in 2012, google are very scared of WP. I always read how people think MS are this tightly closed system, it seems to me that MS are one of the more open companies out of the lot and google are get closed more and more each day.
  • The only service I use from Google is YouTube, but I can deal without. I hate pretty much all of their products from their phones and tablets to their services. And I really can't stand their search engine! Yuk!
  • The funniest thing is when you try to go to Gmail website on a WindowsPhone, it looks like a website from the early 90s. Google is evil, this is why Google spends so much on lobbying Congress; takes a lot of money to get away with this much bad behavior.
  • I believe this is the same David Heiner alumnus of TKE at Cornell.  One of the alumni in Ithaca mentioned to me he might still work there and this just confirms it.  Nice.
  • What is happening? Google, this is too bad. MS improvement is a problem to you. You are telling the world you don't match MS
  • Google ? Pfffff... Who cares about them. They're afraid and they suck. I'll not buy android phone again.
  • Microsoft. Time to one up another company. Make everything google makes! You have the search engine, now promote bing video and add bing video servers and stuff. Crush Google!
  • For me Google does not lack, Microsoft can meet my needs with great tools ...  
  • Oh, you don't like EAS? Then I suppose you won't mind us (msft) removing support for it on android phones then, right? How you like us now?...
  • I would love to see MS remove support for EAS for google customers that pay for their stuff.
  • I stopped using Scgoogle services a long time ago....
    This corporation is nothing but greedy and self-centered!! But what do you expect when they run scared due to MS developing a really good ecosystem!
  • Google are cnut nuggets..
  • But guys guys and gals!! Google says this OS isn't popular enough to have google products published on it... Bunch of bull$$$$
  • I'm planning on moving our family domain from Goggle Apps to before the end of the month. Out of all of us using this domain, only my wife has an Android phone, the rest of us have WP7, WP8 and Surface's. Google is going to lose our whole family because of this EAS denial, I'm sure we're not the only ones. Plus MetroTube rocks for the odd occasion I need to use it
  • on the other hand, MS went behind googles back to get patent licensing from OEM's. I don't have the details on the patents involved, but if they were that strong, they could have just went to google and played nice, but MS has been scared of Google and pissed at them for taking web mail and web apps away from them.
    Either way, not good for anyone.
  • Handset makers are targeted because a) they sell actual products with the software, thus making it a financial loss if the patent holder isn't paid licensing fees for technology being sold, and b) the ITC can be used as a tool to block sales and imports as the stick on which the carrot sits, which Google (until it's release/sale of it's own Nexus line) didn't do any of with Android.  Also, Android has no cost associated with it (per se), so suing Google for "sales" of Android really makes it hard to justify setting up licensing deals with them, rather than manufacturers.  Also, it may make the Windows Phone platform more attractive long term, but licensing patents is something any business in the murky waters of computing should expect to be doing.  The fact Google *didn't* license these and instead put the onus on handset manufacturers to figure out didn't help them any either.
  • + 10
  • Oh, right...they TOTALLY went behind Googles back to do that. They didn't even attempt to explain to anybody why they even had a problem with andr-Are you KIDDING ME?! >=/
  • I block YouTube on my router because my kids use it too much.  They like to watch minecraft videos all day, which sounds innocent until you listen to the foul mouthed commentary.  Until YouTube can adequately rate videos and provide parental controls, it's blocked from my house.  And that simply won't happen.  Once my kids are old enough to figure out how to get past the router - they can watch & listen to whatever they like.
  • Google must see windows phone as a very serious competitor to android to keep trying to stop access to it's services.
  • I think yours is a good point. 
    The problem here is that Google is doing so because it believes Microsoft is still week in terms of competitive market share and power. Google want to use all the legal means they have to fight Microsoft before it becomes too strong to defeat. 
  • in other terms, kill the dragon while it's in the nest.
  • Its about time Microsoft dropped the hammer on this scummy ad agency. I hope Google get what's coming to them.
  • Missing Metrotube or Yiutube pro will definitely greatly influence the conaumer experience for Windows phone kamers, which shouldn't be taken lightly by Microsoft. I think its childish if the Google rumours are true about the seniors at Google. IT will be certainly bring the technical achievements to a feeling of a Digital stoneage society.
  • I don't even care about YouTube...and if there's something I wanna see, I'll use supertube which works fine
  • It is surpising that the US and EU regulators were so quick to take Microsoft to court over Internet Explorer integration in Windows, yet when Google openly employs anti-competitive practices nothing happens.
    I would love to see Microsoft block all google services in Windows, that would be entertaining to watch. I have already switched my emails from gmail to hotmail/outlook, fuck google and everything that comes from them, they are privacy violating data mining peaces of dung.
  • "Nothing happens" - not quite.  The FTC and EU have been investigating Google.  Search for Google EU and you'll find plenty of articles about it.
  • Only great things I use from Google is YouTube and on occasion Google Maps...I am well aware the extreme datamining/malware techniques Google uses when you avail yourself of one of their services which is why I will never use Gmail...I'm pretty much embedded in the MSFT ecosystem of Hotmail/, Skydrive, XBox Music/Games, MS Office with my Windows 7 high-performance 18.4" laptop, Surface RT tablet and WP 7.5...MSFT offers a superior ecosystem.
  • You're so right and I do exactly the same. You must have quite a PC in that case. Mine isn't quite as elaborate, but it is Windows 8 with and SSD and i7, cant ask much more than that
  • What is Google ?
  • Will NEVER buy another Google product as of today.
  • Ditto !
  • Microsoft had dug their own hike here. They are charging ridiculous license fees for Android to discourage handset makers from using it and Google is getting back at them the only way they can. Perhaps Google is offering to "license" YouTube use on "fair terms" and MS needs to just suck up and pay it. You can't have it both ways!
  • if they were ridiculous oems would not have agreed to pay it. stealing IP is not ok and microsoft did things right by not blocking products.
  • This is the reason I'm switching the family from Gmail to FU Google.
  • not uninstalling Chrome but have bing as my default search engine :) 
  • Wait, you can do that on chrome?
  • yup :).
  • I think MS should release a patch for all windows operating systems that limits chrome's abilities (see how google likes it when the shoe is on the other foot) but it basically appears that the growth of windows phone is making google a tad nervous...
  • Go ahead Microsoft turn off all of Google aps on windows, we can do without them for awhile it won't take long for them to bend
  • Some people here have said that MS should start their own video service. I guess nobody remembers Soapbox?
    They HAD a video service for a while but I guess it was too much trouble to keep up and just let youtube take over that market. I doubt MS wants the headache of running another video service. Google is definitely abusing it's power in this case.
  • The point of this of course, is to crush WP before it becomes a serious competitor, but I think it's too late. The buzz about the Lumia 920 is getting through and iPhone users where I work are talking about Apple losing their edge in comparison to Nokia.
  • Lets face it, youtube is googles last card to play, if MS really wanted to they could build a far superior service, but then google would probably run to their lawyers with their pet lips out, the be al and end all is that googles scared, youtube is the only thing they have left, MS, its time to flex ur muscles ;-)
  • Oh no! Soapbox2 ... Lol
  • This battle hurts the users. People can say oh this company sucks, and this company is better. Bullshit! What ever platform it is, it is a preference choice of how content is being displayed. The apps is a helpful tool, much as web browser is. I think both companies are being stupid and start working things out. This isn't a one on one thing, I'm ready to jump ship to a company that does look out for their customers and not ots personal gain. Shame on Microsoft and Google for getting into a personal fight and not consider how this is effecting customers that use both products. It's childish behavior!
  • So you think MS should lay down and let google abuse their power? If the same limitations were present on apple and others then fair enough, but this is an attack on MS.
  • There is no need for that, have you ever had to make a compromise with some one? Do you know that both companies could be winners by compromising?
  • +1
  • Politics should not exist in open software, but that's google. They masquerade as this empowering, open company for the people, but at the end of the day they are an advertising company who only want to sell you stuff you don't want. At least Microsoft try to get you to buy their stuff and apple just expect you to.
  • +1
  • We don't need google... They can go to hell, and take their janky android with them.
  • Fuck Google! I hate using google anyways.
  • I can kind of understand google's gripe with MS. How many of us use google search on our WP devices. Heck, how many of us using Windows 8 use Google for first search. I increasingly find that i only google where Bing fails. Yahoo is powered by Bing, Altavista is powered by Yahoo. If MS is attacking the jugular of Google (search), Google has no choice but to use all its pawns. I see a bloody battle in the future... And i would rather MS win - they have not abused my privacy in last 25 years as much as Google has done in the last 5. I hate Sneaky Snoopers... And Google shares the double O's with snooper.
  • Yeah last time I checked I use bing on my windows phone and windows 8 laptop. Integration FTW :)
  • Agreed. Google's extreme data mining practices I would consider them a malware organization.
  • Google can kiss my behind.
  • its verry simple .
    google is digging their own grave if the ygo one .
    if google refuse ti give ms acces in the end ms wil use cash to make /promote their own thing and in teh end that is gonna win. purely through the fact that there wil be more devices around then any google devices if you count phones/tablets and especialy desktop/laptop pc's. cause if ms make their video service standard and integrated in windows 8 people will in a while forget youtube even existed..
    if google just allow ms google wil there till the end of times ..
    besides that if it comes to european and us courts google wil be forced to let ms have access . also happned with browser choice for windows .. the same wil happen to google
  • Maybe Microsoft should go full fledge Vimeo?
  • Nobody uses Vimeo common
  • yet some people still want google services in windows phone
    F google
  • Don't make Microsoft angry. You wouldn't like them when they are angry. -Bruce Banner.
  • I second all of that! DO NO EVIL!!!
  • Being using 3rd party YT apps and its getting really old that they change something and now my app doesnt play anything without having to repeatedly press play to get it going it giving up completely until the devs patch the app.
  • Its like what Apple did to Flash...not nice :/
  • I'm sure Google will make some nice native apps once WinPhone gets more market share. Given they're an advertising company, they will want more eyeballs on their ads. 
  • Who cares, I have METRO TUBE.
  • Well metrotube is great but they suffer same down times when google decides to change something and metrotube stops working til its updated.
  • Using browser to go to will still work (however inconvenient it may be for some).
  • I say Microsoft just buy YouTube from google! Or run chrome and route it to WP.
  • how quickly do you think google will sell youtube? thats a nonsensical notion, just the amount of traffic on youtube is enough to keep it from selling it to anyone let alone microsoft.
  • Google would die if Microsoft made it where it wouldn't work on its OS's. I wish Microsoft had something to pull from them other than the OS support. I guess they could take all MS made apps out of the google play store, and ban google services from the OS. The chromebook would not save scroogle, and then google and rim become best buds once and for all.
  • Yes, Google has been evil ever since they started parsing through people's email. That is inexcusable and unacceptable. I don't watch YouTube much, so fuckem. If you want to stick it to Google, just cut your YouTube time in half and NEVER sign in. If everyone did this Google would feel a world of hurt.
  • thats something i never understood about android and google users in general. why would anyone ever blindly look away from a practice like that. instagram is now following such invasive practices and its not something that should just be accepted.
  • Also, NEVER click a Google ad anywhere. Never click their sponsored search results, either. This hurts Google while also saving money for the site you're going to.
  • Well I say F * google , I stopped using google services since August.
    I use Bing , outlook , IE , sky drive .
    Sadly I can't find a worthy YouTube competitor.
    Google's main purpose is gaining money , look how they F * ed up YouTube with the Ad S***
  • plus one
  • Microsoft should start playing hard ball maybe? Pulling exchange and ability for office stuff to open on androids, etc. Microsoft has alot of pull. All this does is suck for the end user who gets screwed.
  • For me it seems like Google is getting more and more afraid of WP8! And they should be! Apple - Samsung the other way?
  • So pathetic. It only means MORE FUCKING DOWNLOADS FOR THEM. Nothing bad could possibly come of it, they're being little pussy ass babies about this, unreal. Little girls with their tampons n shit. Get with the program its fucking 2013. They just look dumb and are hurting users of their own products. Now I WILL switch to Bing. Cocksuckers.
  • Exactly. FunkyCricket does not understand that situation at all... Ms has no case against Google for the patents because they don't "sell" Android.
  • I say CRIPPLE Google's Chrome Browser functionality on ALL MS products including search results. Do it NOW.  I think Apple should also cripple Google Chrome browser functionality as well.
  •    Screw google. Microsoft should just buy a competing service like Dailymotion and push them like they do Bing.
  • I think it would be a good come back to use the great percent of Windows PCs, phones and now tablets and block all Google Chrome, Google Search Engine and YouTube results from a search, since all have become what they are as a result of a Windows PC user.
  • Oh man..this is getting interesting.. I would like to see Microsoft go big with a counter
  • Solution: Don't use Google Don't use Google services.  Go read Googled: The End of the World As We Know It. by Ken Auletta.  Yeah, they've got some great products, but damn are they arrogant.  Don't be evil, my ass.
  • as nice as it would be to say we have a solid, official youtube app, metrotube is everything you need
  • Great article. Buh-bye google. What else should we expect from a company run by hipsters? I've cancelled all my google accounts.
  • Amen brother. I'm a Binger now. I haven't Googled anything in a long time
  • Why can't companies make decisions based on consumer business? WE are the ones paying for the devices, applications, waiting around for simple shit like a good functioning YouTube app. Its not about the people anymore. Greed speaks loudly in the world of business.
  • I love these Anti-Google comments! I've disliked Google for awhile now.
  • This is stupid.
  • I think the part about a senior Google Executive telling YouTube not to play fair with Windows Phone is an indirect threat from Microsoft... I think they have evidence of this, or they would not publicaly accuse them of doing so...
  • "I think they have evidence of this, or they would not publicaly accuse them of doing so..." EXACTLY.
  • Looks like I'm gonna have to take you off my outllook account too gmail. No more syncing. F Google. 
  • Microsoft should make a YouTube competitor and push it hard as they have done with Bing.
  • 900000
  • This battle is really not good for the industry and it will only hurt us, the users.
  • Dear MS,
    What goes around comes around
    PS Not a google fan
  • goes around comes around in what regard? microsoft has done nothing but be vital to the growth of google in the first place.
  • If Google decided one day to block the Youtube app on Xbox 360, I cant even imagine what Apocalypse it would cause. This story is a big deal
  • That's it. I now officially hate Google more than Apple.
  • LOOOL i been thinking that as well. apple has less hate from me than google does now. so +1 for that
  • Screw you google...
  • You may use
    I do not know about Bing, here some insight about Google and the search....
    Better drop Google...
  • Ok I've been a long time Microsoft PC user. Google came around and made searching easier. That I have to give it to them. Since switching from iphone 4 to lumia 920, Bing has been my new permanent search engine and I love it. That's what got google acting like a kid. Not willing to share. Hey Google sharing is caring. Haha. They know Bing is big competition. YouTube is awesome but if google keeps acting like the way they are. Then I'm just gonna stop using any of their services and I know there are a lot of users feeling the same way. Im never gonna give up my precious cyan Lumia for any of there generic crapware phones
  • Microsoft isn't one that likes to share either. Sure they like others to share with them but not usually the other way around. Let me know when Microsoft makes Halo, or any other Microsoft game available on a competing platform.
  • Windows Phone needs more support
  • This is why I use BING. Id have an iPhone before I'd touch an Android device, for the simple reason, Google are the biggest assholes in the industry right now.
  • YouTube only Google service i still use. Its a shame it got bought out by Google and now its just adware, where i have to spend half the time removing the blasted adds on the video before i could view it.
  • I stay in India and am anxiously waiting for Lumia 920's launch since the day it was announced.
    I'm not heavily dependent on youtube for my video content thankfully. But this whole thing sucks.
    I created an outlook account days after the mail service was launched and I absolutely fell in love with the neat & clean & slick interface that falls in line with the win 8 design philosophy. And unlike Google, no pestering ads on the sides. The entire screen for your perusal. It just looks so neat. Currently loving MS' rendition of software.
    Google can suck it. GMAIL on web browser anyways feels very cluttered unlike the old times when it gave users a clutter free interface.
    All these companies are forgetting that it was their symbiotic relationship that brought such rapid advancements in the field of smartphones and has contributed to their growth in some way or the other. Nobody wants to be stuck up on any single particular company's ecosystem. Hope they come out with an amicable solution soon.
    As for Google, your image has drastically gone down in the eyes of many a people. Your brand credibility will be hurt if MS decides to go with blazing guns all over the media. And instead of resorting to monopolistic means, try and improve your products so that people automatically adopt them, like MS did with Win 8 - complete overhaul of all their services. They did a commendable job and I respect them for that. From today onwards, i'll switch over from google to bing search. That's the only google service i used heavily. This is my way of unsupporting google. And once I buy a 920, I will be accustomed to Bing Search.
    I also am not a fan of chrome. I find IE10 and Mozilla to be way much better. Hoping firefox comes out with a WP8 version of the browser as well. The android browser is fantastic.
    As of now, i'm gonna stick with outlook, skydrive, bing and other MS services. Hope MS continues with the same design philosophy in the time to come.
  • Simple truth is, Google is back firing MS....
    This war was started by MS charging from Android device manufacturers.
    End of the they we are suffering.
  • Run that by me again? MS is at fault because they demanded to get paid for the stuff they patented? How is it their fault that the android manufacturers all jumped on the free OS bandwagon and decided they didn't have to pay their dues like every other company on the planet has to do, especially in the tech business?
  • plus one to ladydias cuz she is awesome ;). i agree wholeheartedly ms is not at fault for getting paid for something they own. If people think that because google android oems now have to pay for something they should have been paying for, for a long time no less is wrong on ms' end then you'r sorely mistaken.
  • If Microsoft goes very public with this then they could give Google an ultimatum, either fix their problems, or get their products and services effected in the same way on Windows.
    At that point when Chrome becomes flakey and their search product cookies are being auto disabled maybe they'd be reasonable, although no doubt it will then be the evil Microsoft at fault :P
  • Can Microsoft completely remove Google from its desktop OS? Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8? If so, they should do it.
  • they could but that only hurts users in the long run.
  • They would NEVER do such thing. Microsoft was hit hard by the US and the EU for antitrust practices. They won't walk that line again.
  • Are these people in charge of Congress?
  • I love corporate battles for some reason
  • google FUCK U
  • Why does Google not also trample Apple?
    Heck, Apple tried to screw Google on the Maps thing, but Google embraced their return.
    Apple is much more of a threat to Android than Microsoft is ... unless Google thinks they can kill WP before it gets real legs.  Once Google kills WP, they can turn their attention to dismembering Apple iOS.
    Content is king, and I suspect Google thinks it holds all the cards against BOTH MS and Apple.
    In other words, Google is winning the mobile OS war, and they are fighting from a position of strength.
  • I spent a couple of hours yesterday moving my contacts/email/calendar from google to on my new Lumia 920. All my gmail emails are now automatically forwarded to my Will still be using youtube on my MBP as there are no valid alternatives but MetroTube does the job on my Lumia.
  • Actually 3rd party Apps such as "MetroTube" , TubePro and others are more than enough and very satisfiying ,, and i think that most of the users here tend to agree ,, cause as a an Everyday Normal user of WP ; You kinda don't care wheather the App You're ussing is "Native" or not , as long as it provides You with a GreaT experiance ,,, so in that manner ; I believe that ( MetroTube ) in particular is a Fantastic app wihich delivers a satisfying "YouTube" experience overall .
  • Oddly enough, my actions in preparation for Gmail's EAS shutdown seem to have improved battery life. Gmail is now a pinned folder in my inbox and every response from that folder comes from outlook. Bye Gmail...
  • I use to be an early fan of Google and its products but now I find I am disliking their ways. I will sign the petition to get Google's apps on WP but I for one will do my best to minimize my use of google. Goodbye Gmail and hello Outlook.
  • I use Chrome on all my PC's and my installed it for friends and family so I think I'll uninstall them all and the little survey thing afterward that asks you why I will use this attack on MS as my reasoning. If enough people do it then it could make an impact.
  • Such a childish cum idiot google !
  • I have wp7, android, wife has iPhone. I can use Google Drive on EITHER android or iPhone ... open a new doc or edit an old one ... since it is cloud-based, it is on all devices, including my Windows XP computer (with Drive installed).
    I cannot use SkyDrive in the same way - not even WP-to-PC, because I have XP - SkyDrive software is for Vista or newer.
    Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot. Google Drive is more backward compatible with MS PC O/S that Microsoft's own SkyDrive.
    Microsoft should step up and COMPETE ... 
  • I urge everyone offended by Google's actions to uninstall Chrome Browser from their PC and in the "Describe Yourself" and "Why are you uninstalling Google Chrome" boxes insert the following:
    Your childish and consumer unfriendly tactics in dealing with your competition. Especially the end of EAS support for GMail and lack of native apps for Windows 8/Windows Phone. I am deleting/discontinuing use of all of your services and software until this behavior changes. I started using Google products/services because of your open and cross-platform solutions, and will gladly do so when you return to those ideals.
    Oh, and make sure you check the Internet Explorer box under "What browser will you be using"
    Doubtfull it will accomplish anything, but just maybe, if Google gets enough feedback like this they will remember why people flocked to them in the first place.
  • My microsoft account is a gmail address.  Is there any easy way to change that without having to basically start over with my Windows Phone?  I already have gmail just forwarding everything to my outlook address but would love to eliminate it completely.
    I'm stuck with Google Voice for now as there is no real alternative.  I use YouTube so little I didn't even notice that the "app" was a web page shortcut for months ;-).
  • Maybe Microsoft could pull the plug on an API that Chrome uses.
  • I think that Windows is really making a comeback with it's operating system and now with their cell phones and Google is really noticing. Google is just been greedy.
    Windows is making a comeback,also Blackberry is on it's way back, so Google is noticing.
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  • Dont't be EVIL!?!?
    EAT MY ASSSS!!!!!
  • I was reading these comments and some people make it seem like YouTube is blocked on Windows Phone, well its not just type in IE and you can see its not blocked. Yes WP doesn't have an official YT app and I bet that sucks but you have to work with what you got. Microsoft is just being a cry baby. You can't have it all, I don't see Google crying because Apple won't make an iTunes app for Android and isnt iTunes the largest music store? (I might be wrong on that.) Sony isn't crying because Halo isn't available for the PS3. Oh but when Microsoft doesn't get what it wants they have to make a show out of it correct? The last time I checked I didn't see Office available on Android, should that be an antitrust investigation? Of course not! I like the way this user put it in his comment on The Verge:
    "Does Samsung complain about not having YouTube on Bada or Tizen? There is no iTunes for Windows RT should Microsoft complain about that too? I can’t use BBM on my Nexus 4 should Google notify FTC?
    Seriously you guys need to chill…"
  • Google is under no obligation to provide access to their private APIs, and neither is Microsoft for that matter. YouTube is freely accessible on IE10 or any other standards compliant mobile browser, so I don't see the problem. Also Microsoft has a small mobile market share (Windows Mobile+WP is down to 3% in November in the US), so it's normal that Google itself doesn't care about developing for any of these platforms. If you don't like it, either don't use YouTube or change your mobile platform. I hear the iPhone or Android are pretty good, with plenty of apps, including native YouTube apps. You can Bing it, it's true.
  • Microsoft needs to support the PC-based SkyDrive app on Windows XP. Google supports Drive on XP.
  • <p>F*** Google. I am tired of being their product instead of a customer.&nbsp;</p>
  • I'm moving away from Google, this is one of a series of great disappointments. I strongly advice anyone to get their custom URL and become free from any providers.
    Also remember the Google Apps: typical "bait and switch" commercial model. One day they might come to you and ask you money just for your ...@gmail account. Prepare now.. 
  • Oh my goodness Google you are so very corrupt as an IT industry goes. IM glad Google recently got fined £20 million recently for not paying their taxes. Scamming so and so's. Google never used to be like this. Too much power corrupts services, industry and people. Microsoft should ban google services on their products and see how Google like that. Microsoft rules. Glad im 100% in their eco system. Never ever again using google search, Bing is more accurate anyways. Like someone said, I wouldn't use youtube if there was an alternative. Apple are as worse as google, as regards not paying their taxes ect. Seams to me that Microsoft is the only company in this sector that one can trust. Apple are constantly suing companies over utter nonsense. Apple trying to enforce a ban on Samsung phones an tablets for no other reason than that they are outselling Apple. Yeah, that really plausible.
  • Ok - late to the party but I have a concept. MS should buy Netflix or Hulu and move Bing video to that platform for actual recognition. YouTube is trying to break into the actual video rental. That is where they want to head. I think MS could take an established video / movie rental site and have free access for uploads / viewing of personal stuff. They need to do something...
  • Google should allow official WP youtube app and Microsoft should allow google instead of Bing on its search button. That is the "gauntlet" I'm looking for.
  • This is an old video...but, worth viewing...
    This is a another sign that google is trying to take over the world. Think about it....They could be. !!!!
    Dam, I know Metrotube is there but, I really wanted a bad ass Microsoft Youtube app....because that would be epic...
  • The only google services I use are Youtube and Chrome.  I'd drop chrome in a heartbeat, but I can't find as good of an AdBlock for IE or Firefox (the Chrome adBlock is awesome, blocks all ads including in-video ads).  
    Other than that, yeah google is taking the chidish route here.  Since I own and use a Windows Phone AND google services, they are hurting their own customers with this choice.
  • i am officially going to the next new nokia phone....  google is trying to pull an apple on everyone and it's pissin me off! 
  • That's very odd, is Google now becoming the troll company?
    Boycott, anyone?
  • I agree with you 400% on this
    Google is being a bad competitor.
  • MS should block google apps from windows, then use that as leverage to get google's stuff on windows phones.
    FYI, I am a long time gmail and google product user.  As of yesterday I have migrated everything to outlook and other ms products.  I am sick of google giving windows phone users the shaft.
  • I know it might be a bit late to imput my comment but anyway, I happen to be a HUGE Google user - im even signed in through G+ to comment here. Before the lumia 920 came along, i had zero intention of switching to windows phone. I was perfectly happy with my nexus device (that is, until i bricked it) and after it broke, i decided to check out wp8, after enjoying Windows 8 so much. I think its truly messed up that Google is doing this to us WP users. they had aid at one point "we wont offer our services to windows phone because we dont have too many customers on windows phone" well of course you dont, its because little by little you're cutting off our access to your services. If they TRULY want us to pick ides, then im going Microsoft all the way on this. Its rediculous and coming from google, this is very childish behavior.
  • Microsoft cant block all Google Services on Windows as most of their customers would want to use google services like Chrome. What they could do is limit the functionality of these programs or program Windows to automatically crash Chrome every now and then.
  • Microsoft should continue to let their services work with google.. If google wants to act like a child and hurt users then Microsoft needs to be the bigger person and hold out! Google will lose in the end