Microsoft wants you to ditch Lumia Camera on Windows 10 Mobile and use Windows Camera

Microsoft has released an update to Lumia Camera for Windows 10 Mobile. This release fails to offer new features and/or improvements, but does attempt to steer users away from the popular photography client. Microsoft will cease supporting Lumia Camera and is asking everyone on Windows 10 Mobile to start using Windows Camera instead.

Lumia Camera

Now, before you all lose your marbles and rant about how Microsoft is effectively ditching Lumia Camera, take note that this move is actually a good thing. The company is rolling out the same features found in Lumia Camera to Windows Camera, which will be made available to all Windows Phones as the native client. That means it will no longer require which Windows Phone you own to take advantage of the sweet photography features.

Thanks, Asif K. and Albert G., for the tips!

Rich Edmonds
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Rich Edmonds was formerly a Senior Editor of PC hardware at Windows Central, covering everything related to PC components and NAS. He's been involved in technology for more than a decade and knows a thing or two about the magic inside a PC chassis. You can follow him on Twitter at @RichEdmonds.

369 Comments
  • This was inevitable at some point. If you haven't actually tried Windows Camera yet, you might be pleasantly surprised. It's mostly the same.
  • Yes it's the same except for some icon changes
  • Just make sure you dont expect the buttons to be actuall persons with round avatars
  • Does it offer Rich Capture Mode? That's what I like the most about Lumia Camera.
  • It does offer rich capture.
  • It does but its broken atm. At least for me it creates white horizontal lines across the inte picture. Left several reports on this but it has not yet been fixed. Posted via the Windows Central App
  • I can't open my lens apps with Microsoft camera, only Self timer, Bracketing and Settings when I press Elipse, no lens picker option.
  • But I can't get it to open with the camera button!
  • I will not use windows camera do what you like :P
  • You have to change your default camera app
  • My"change default camera" is grayed out and stuck on Lumia Camera, and I have Microsoft Camera installed. Lumia icon on build 10166
  • You'll have to uninstall Lumia Camera to make Windows Camera default.
  • Because you must first uninstall lumia camera and then MS camera will be default camera app.
  • Uninstalling Lumia camera is not necessary, you just have to change your default camera app to Microsoft camera from photos+camera settings
  • Can't change my default app
  • I think there is a wrong for that
  • So there's nothing exclusive to Lumia anymore?
  • Windows 10 Mobile as a platform is more important than brand exclusivity.
  • +1
  • Agreed
  • nothing should be exclusive to lumia. i have a 930 and an 8x and i prefer it if things are consistent across my devices. things should be windows exclusive. nothing special about lumias anyways. its a windows device.
  • Lumia > all
  • Not really
  • When Lumia is 99% of the WP userbase, I'm not sure it's really the incentive it was in 2012. This is a GOOD THING. :) Microsoft would be crazy to maintain any real exclusive apps and OS features to their own devices, it would be like giving all the other OEMs the middle finger. Which is kind of what they've done the past year by not opening up the Lumia apps to non-Lumia phones the moment they bought Nokia.
  • Woo hoo! For the first time in my life, I'm in the 1%!!! #HTCOneM8
  • Whilst what you say is true I think MS should give OEMs the middle finger and just go the Apple route. All the OEMs before the HTC One M8 are diabolically shit and none of them made any effort. I mean it took HTC what 2+ years to release another model of phone after the 8X/8S.
  • just an oem who will support your phone for longer than 8 months.
  • Why should there be? I would rather see the Windows name grow than the Lumia brand. It's not like all the other Android phones that exist make the Nexus any worse.
  • Windows Camera will soon be an Android and IOS app.
  • They would have called it Microsoft Camera then.
  • Yes, you can buy from other OEMs if they offer better price/hardware. I think Microsoft wants you to do that.
  • Microsoft never cared for software exclusivity, so it comes as no surprise to me, especially since Lumia is a MS brand now.
  • If that means they will learn to UNIFY the damn experience instead of having 5 different versions of the same app, I'm on board.
  • Exactly!
  • Agree, I have found ti confusing and the One Camera app is the best option, for me anyway :)
  • This
  • but there is no smart shoot in windows camera  
  • Yes there is a smart shot.... I'd called Lumia Moments.
  • also it takes less time to open
  • When I saw Windows Camera had Rich Capture, I knew this was going to happen. Sad that we're losing some Lumia branding, but at least the features can soon be used by more people.
  • It makes sense to drop the Lumia branding here as this camera app is supposed to be on ALL Win10 devices... Other OEMs wouldnt want to sell a device that has Lumia branding inside
  • How do you enable rich capture on Windows Camera? Or is it exclusive to some devices?
  • Only on newer PureView devices - 830, 930 for example.
  • Are you sure? There seems to be some users stating that they have rich capture on a 635.
  • Interesting. My 635 is sitting in drawer, I might update it to 10 Preview to find out. I have 532 and 720 with 10 Preview and neither supports Rich Capture.
  • What does Rich Capture essentially do? I've noticed it makes it take forever to preview the photos in my photos app after the picture is taken, as well as you can't take pictures consecutavely as quickly.
  • @Richard Devine:
    It is a quite humble request to demand from people: remaining content if things stay the same. ^.^
  • Can Microsoft just stick to one thing? Ugh..
  • Well that's the point of this. They bought Nokia so ended up with two camera apps. Now they're putting all the features of Lumia Camera into the standard Camera app, so there's no need for the two.
  • Would you say the performance is nearing the Lumia Camera 5 in terms of speed? I know my L820 can't perform rich capture or living images, but I'm curious to know if things are levelling out
  • Clicking through a photo is very fast. I usually double check if it did actually capture the picture. We can't make out sometimes.
  • It's actually faster, but I'm comparing to a phone isn't PureView (Lumia 532).
  • What I don't like about the Windows camera app is there isn't any camera lenses anymore. Say goodbye to Bing vision.
  • I really like hTC's camera app interface, still has lenses too
  • Yes there is. It's under settings
  • "It's mostly the same." That leaves room for close but not as good. That may not be the case, but then again... That said, is the newer version a colaboration between Microsoft and Canon? I remember both of them having an agreement last year. So, will the new camera's in MS's upcoming phones be based on Canon's technology?
  • Not the same.
  • Yeah, mostly the same... except there's no any option to customize the Rich Capture (dynamic flash or the HDR). and also, you have some strange horizontal lines on the result ONLY when taking the picture with Lumia 1520 (picture attached). FYI, I have W10M installed on L1520, L1020, L630, L620; only L1520 suffering from those strange lines, and I already reported it to Windows Feedback. and the picture quality is GREATLY DECREASED when taking the picture with Lumia 1020 (compared to Lumia Camera on WP8.1).   and the already call it a "better camera."     image link: https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/11792103_10153...
  • But, will there be a beta for Windows Camera❔❔
  • It IS NOT. It DOES NOT support raw capture and dual-capture and that was the main Lumia Camera feature for me. If W10 won't support them then I'm in the same position again as I was with L900 - again no upgrade. Fuck this shit.
  • and faster
  • No support for lenses.. yet lol
  • It's a lot slower on taking photos on a 930.
  • I would if windows 10 would let me set it as default!
  • ^ this!!
  • Uninstall Lumia camera. Windows Camera will then set to default.
  • The settings are not on par with Lumia Camera Beta yet - you cant jump into lenses, and there are no photo resolution settings.  How do i know if im saving 5mp+16mp, dng, etc?  Im going to hold onto Lumia Camera Beta for the time being.  Once its at feature parity, Windows Camera here I come.
  • I don't have 4k video as an option either.  Holding the camera button records 1080p rather than 4k as well.   
  • This is my concern too...
  • That ^
  • Devices > Default Camera. Unless the app itself can't launch as default.
  • ^ And the other thing
  • You can set it under Setting => Device => Default Camera.  Once you get the Lumia Camera update, it will no longer open.  You will have to use Windows Camera or other Camera Apps.
  • Damn it ppl...... Do you rly still don't know that there is a option to change the def. Camera LOL
  • It doesn't work on windows10
  • if default camera app will be same in all Windows phone device.... does that mean low end device will get HDR, rich capture feature as in Lumia camera 5??
  • That would make sense, and I want to see it happen... but something tells me not to get my hopes up.
  • I'm hoping too, but I'm also think it might not.
  • well my 635 got rich capture, although I don't know what benefit it brings..
  • 635 has rich capture ?
  • No
  • Yes
  • Maybe
  • Ditto
  • Well during the TP it had the option available in the bar...
  • My guess is its up to msm just like it'll be up to other OEMs to manage it
  • I'm using Lumia 635 and it has rich capture.  However, there is no post processing (no slider to adjust the image).
  • Most likely. I'm using WM10 on L730 and rich capture is available.
  • But theres no option coming on the photos which we click if its a rich captured photo, I've seen rich capture on my brothers 640XL, the way it works is awesome. But i think it isnt available on windows 10 for now, maybe in future builds we can edit the rich capture. Even i was expecting slow motion on lumia 730 and other snapdragon 400 chipset phones, because moto G2 has the same processor and there are slow motion videos over youtube, i hope MS releases an update to windows camera adding slow motion as soon as possible :)
  • No. Features still need to be supported by hardware (and even if feature is supported, it might not be fast / pleasurable enough experience so Microsoft might choose to disable it).
  • How ironic. The photos app from Windows 10 now supports living images taken with Lumia camera, meanwhile Windows Camera lacks this feature.
  • You are correct
  • What does that mean? That living images are coming to the native camera app.
  • How do you know this?
  • Because it's fairly obvious.
  • If its not there it doesnt meant it will never come...I can understand people complaining but complaining about apps that are still being beta missing features that I cant understand...
  • I hope they wont forgot implementing this feature.
  • "The company is rolling out the same features found in Lumia Camera to Windows Camera"
    Rich Capture on Windows Camera, is that correct?
  • I think so
  • Yes
  • Yes, Windows Camera has rich capture feature already
  • But we cant edit the rich capture yet :/
  • I always used the camera app. Hated the Lumia (Nokia)apps.
  • Lol why
  • i have only one reason... default camera is super fast.
  • me too... i also use default camera app on my 720
  • Lol I found it kind of of a waste of space having to have half a dozen apps to do the same thing
  • Same, when I was using a 920 it was default or ProShot
  • But Lumia Camera Beta is still working, right? Not ALL the features are in WIndows Camera yet. I know I can't use Ruch Capture in the Windows Camera, for isntance, I need to use Lumia Camera Beta.
  • Living images or GTFO
  • They still have almost 3 months until the launch of Win10 mobile, im fairly certain theyll finish the camera app before then
  • Based on RTM build of Windows 10 and they promised before. I'm also concerned. I trust them too much but now I don't get my hopes up.
  • They are yet to add living images but rich capture is available.
  • Yep, living images is a must. Saving them as a Gif is also something I would like to see.
  • It would be really cool to have ability to save as GIF.
  • what about picture quality ? After final release of W10M i really hope for good comparsion.
  • They're basically the same app so why would there be much, if any difference?
  • The algorithms are off. You can't set 'sport' or 'night' modes. Those modes allows in more light without use of the flash which is why I switched back to 8.1 before my trip.
  • Nor 4k recording...
  • The win10m Microsoft camera has 4j recording on 1gb tam devices just like the Lumia camera. Just hold down the camera button and it will record a 4k video.
  • It records 1080p on my 930, also there is no option for any recording higher than 1080x30 for video.
  • Oh on my icon it gives me the option to go up to 2440 or some odd setting like that. In the Microsoft Camera app.
  • Logical move and a needed one. If they want OEM support they can't stifle them with better software.
  • So to get oem support they have to neuter their own product? Doesn't make sense. Nobody says anything to google about nexus.
  • I don't get it either. If OEMs are mad that MS can make better phones, then what do we need the OEMs for? It's just leaving consumers with an inferior product.
  • So what does google provide that is special on a Nexus device that is not available on all Android devices that use the play store? To me is is just less crapware and faster OS updates.
  • very good move....that means Lumia camera features with no loading screen.
  • I didn't read this a Lumia camera being ditched but the name Lumia slowly being ditched.
  • NOOOOOO
  • Indeed. Lumia is part of the Nokia legacy which is gone now. All Microsoft from here on out. Thstd a good thing.
  • I already compared the two apps and Windows Camera gave me a worse picture than Lumia Camera. At least at the night.
    Please, don't do this MS.
  • Windows camera gives me better picture than Lumia camera
  • Same here
  • Windows camera give me more dull washed out pics on my 640
  • Living images(ironic since the latest creative studio beta supports editing living images) and HAAC/dolby recording on pureview phone are missing on windows 10 camera app, so definitely I won't dump it at the moment.
  • "at the moment"
    That's an important sentence.
  • But until we can share the finalized photo that the living image creates there is no point.
  • Which we've never been able to do. Try sharing the final stitched living image that becomes a jpeg, from the camera app. When you share it, it looks nothing like that final enhanced image that the living image creates, it's so stupid.
  • I already have.
  • There's no RAW DNG image support in Windows Camera. Yet. This needs to be there if I have to make a switch from 8.1 to 10 on my L1020
  • There is on mine. Mine is set to jpeg and dmg. The exact same settins as my Lumia camera app had.
  • Could you post a screenshot showing where the MS Camera options are on your L1020 for low and hi res images (jpg and .dng) please?
  • No more Lumia? Is this a sign on the wall that the new Win10 phones won't be Lumia's either?
  • I think that's far fetched. Lumia is quite an established brand in the windows world. It's even more established(even if it doesn't bring the same amount of money) than surface. I think its just Ms wants people to be drawn to Ms brand more than the Lumia one; u don't see surface or xbox (aside from the main xbox app) branded app, do u ?
  • The surface line is far more known than the Lumia line. Lumia line is practically only known in India and low-end markets as well. You as surface, people know what you are talking about anywhere, they are like oh that's cool! Say Lumia, no one knows about it.
  • Not really. In Europe Lumias been selling relatively well and few of those customers know what Surface is.
  • That isn't true in most of the world. The surface is just the more known brand over all. Because people talk about the surface, while lots of lowend Lumia's get bought but it hasn't created word of mouth enough. Lumia's aren't advertised, while surface is. So surface is just more known overall.
  • I live in northern Europe and not sure if I have ever seen even one public Surface ad. Lumias have double digit market share. Normal people here don't have "need to know" what Surface is. Surface is expensive niche laptop-tablet hybrid after all. Lets add that I do have one of both :)
  • It's not a niche laptop/tablet hybrid lol. America is Microsoft's target market. The surface line is huge here, so when it cones to branding and the importance of branding, the U.S. Is Microsoft priority. The Lumia is not big here at all, most people have never even heard of a Lumia phone, if you say windows phone people are still confused but atleast more people have heard of windows phone in general over a specific brand. So if Microsoft was going to focus on one brand over the other in general, it would be Surface. Which is also why people around here have said if Microsoft was ti change the naming scheme of their phone hardware, Lumia would would end up being their midend or lowend brand while surface would be the high end. Sorry, that's just how it is since Microsoft is and American company. I'm sure if Europe was their target market then it would be different. But people just don't know about Lumia in the market that is most important to them.
  • How do you define 'huge'? And surely MS can do what it thinks is best for them.
  • Popular. That's it, end of story. Lol. Even people who don't have a surface like them in the U.S. My pastor has a MacBook pro retina and his Hargrove crashed and he wants to get a surface, that is huge for someone worming at a church. Literally everyone st churches use apple products here.
  • Pretty well known in parts of Europe too
  • It is part of the write-off
  • nvm  
  • Isn't it easier just to rename Lumia Camera 5? (and change icons)
  • It would be easier, but make less sense. Theyre changing the branding to Windows Camera because OEMs dont want to use an OS that features the name of a competing device so prominantly
  • So it actually make more sense lol. Rename Lumia camera 5 to Microsoft Camera, and then enable it on all windows phone devices.
  • The native camera app is just as good.
  • Not if you have an L1020 and have lost the ability to take hi res and RAW images. Only reason I bought the phone.
  • Actually I think it is a good move. I'd preffer only one camera app, instead of two and I am using only one ATM, Lumia Camera. But I think native camera with Lumia Camera functions should be great. A - it will be a native one B - it maybe lead to less errors or possible conflicts with OS, as it will be a native one.
  • I don't see the option to save as raw pictures or shoot 4K video. They really need to enable these options before getting rid of Nokia camera
  • If you set it ti shoot in jpg & dmg, the dmg is raw. If you have the camera button when held set to shoot video, it will shoot 4k video.
  • There are no settings to choose what file type to save as in Windows Camera. You are likely still using Lumia Camera if you are seeing those settings or maybe you are using a 640 or something that has access to a different version of Windows Camera.
  • No there is on the icon's version of the Microsoft Camera. You must have a weird version. The icon on windows 10 m let's you choose lots of settings and that is one of them. I just looked at both apps, they both have the option. I'm sorry that you don't have that option.
  • Version 5.42.2006 on build 166
  • Does it support reframing yet? Particularly on 1020, but I use it a lot on my 920 too.
  • Reframing has been moved to the Lumia Creative Studio. That reframes and stores the original image.
  • you cant download any Lumia apps from the new store so if you have a fresh install you can do this!
  • I thought you had to take a photo using a reframing lens in order to actually reframe it?
  • Does it shoot the full 19 mp ???
  • 19 mo of what phone? Camera aop and Lumia camera have never done the phone mp. For icon/930/1520 for example they have a 20mp camera, at most it shoots a 5mp jpeg with a 16mp dmg or something like that, you can't just do one straight 20mp photo. Which is weird.
  • Apparently not.  I switched this AM, and no longer have 4K video and I don't get the highres files on pictures. i'll be switching back.  
  • What about 4k Video capabilities? Only setting in MS Camera is 720 or 1080.
  • im hoping support for 1020 with duel capture will return in windows camera!!! and the shutter noise! i hate that! Lumia camera was much better. the jpeg encoding is higher and no DNG option.   so far a lot is missing!! assuming they add these and use the same algorithms then i am happy
  • Its going to be the same mess for at least a year as it was when they changed the Xbox music app, it seems Microsoft just can't get their shit together lately.  
  • Youre completely missing the point, the thing is they are FINALLY getting their shit together on mobile, its just not an overnight process
  • does Windows Camera (W10M) have the same features as Lumia Camera 5? (Rich Capture, 4K videos, Moment Capture ...etc) & just as quick to luanch & Capture as Lumia Camera 5 on the 930?   EDIT, Does it shoot in Full Res in phones like the 930 & 1520 or restricted to 5MP or 5MP+16MP like LC5?
  • As of right now it is only 5 + 16mp. It's faster to open and shoot since it is native, far faster actually. Has rich capture, doesnt have 4k shooting, moment capture is part of Lumia moments.
  • No, no 4K and no highes pictures.  No option to even select them.
  • But there is no smart shoot in windows camera
  • do you mean multiple shots? you have to change option in setting so that holding the shutter button takes multiple images!
  • Yes there is, just change your setting to camera button hold creates multiple shots.
  • Microsoft!!!!!
    I know someone's watching this thread!
    Allow US(users) to set default camera. Is this feature that hard to enable?
  • Uninstall lumia camera, the camera app will be the default camera.
  • if you do that you will never have Lumia Camera again! its gone from new store. I think it should be there but not supported and then people will eventually start using default once its good enough!
  • Can you not change the default camera in Win10 Mobile as you could in WP8?
  • You can, I think maybe the setting just wasn't working. But now with the new update it will load Microsoft Camera automatically when you set it. So it works now.
  • Still defaulted to "Lumia Camera" for me and still gives me the "you don't have Denim" taunt on launch before unceremoniously exiting.
  • What about Lumia 1020?
  • 1020 can use the camera app.
  • I've been using it, since I cannot download the Lumia camera from the store (I defaulted my 10 mobile). I'm reasonably happy with the results so far.
  • Camera app still have a lot of missing features. Like 4k video, choose 5MP+16MP or just 5MP or 16MP, living images. Im using 930.
  • We can't share living images final enriched image anyway so what is the point in using it. It looks great on the phone when viewing pictures but you can't share it.
  • ahh..and this somehow explains the reason why I cannot download it (lumia cemera) anymore..
  • You can still download it.  The trick is to go into your history in the store and find Lumia camera or Lumia camera beta app and select download.  It worked for me just now.  I'm on Windows 10 Mobile.
  • When u redownload it it becomes the default camera automatically
  • Hey MS, while you are at it, give ME ( the consumer ), the ability to shoot at the full capability of my Camera without worrying about if its 5mp+16mp or 5mp only or DNG. Give me a setting for 20mp. Other 3rd party Apps do. Camera 360 for one example. If you truly care about the platform PLEASE at least try to give us a great experience with native app so the consumer doesn't HAVE to search for better solutions.
  • it does at the moment just do full res! but you dont really need it. 5MP from a higher res shot giving better pixel quality is a good method.   photos also has full res image as default image
  • No the new camera app is defaulting to 5 & 16mp shots. You can tell my going to your camera app taking a picture, going to the photos to view, and you see it takes two shots. Look at the info to see how big the files are.
  • not seen on 1020, just 1. full res one, no 5mp
  • That's weird, that's how it is on icon/930. So should be on every device, check your phones photos by looming at the folder when its connected to windows. Like on your pc look at the photos. See what size photos it is then.
  • For those of us with an L1020 give me back my 34MP jpg and dng options.
  • This is a good sign, that not only Lumia Phones will get the feature packed app but all device with Windows Phone.
  • I'm just glad that it appears not all windows phones will get all the features. Lumia has some perks still.
  • My Windows Camera app sucks! It has lines in it, grainy photos etc..
  • Mine too. L930
  • That's weird. It shouldn't.
  • Photos with Rich Capture 'On' have these lines along the length of the photo. In bright light it's a bit subtle, but still not good :/
  • I hope they include an adjustable f stop at some point. I miss the super low light pictures of the 920.
  • I tried the ms camera but I switched back to Lumia camera simply because it does a better job and had more features. Why does ms keep replacing good stuff with inferior alternatives? Don't fix it if it ain't broke!!
  • ^this
  • Agreed, Microsoft camera apps are equivalent to their windows print driver. Lame, I especially hate the part where I holding down the camera button to focus and await for the shot and it starts taking video instead.
  • Did you even read the whole article. They said they will port festures from Lumia Camera to Windows Camera so that there will be only one official camera app which all OEM can use, not just the Lumia lineup. And If you think Windows Camera sucks wait until they add all the mising features from Lumia Camera to Windows Camera, and test the app again.
  • Yes, I did read the article. And no, I don't have blind faith in ms that they will get it right.
  • You really don't get it, do you?  Microsoft can say "Lumia Camera had feature x and we'll have feature x".  But if feature x is not as GOOD as the version in the Lumia Camera, then I don't find that acceptable.  So far, Microsoft has done nothing to impress me with what they've been doing to Windows 10.
  • I'll stick with Lumia camera for now. Just checked both and Windows Camera presently doesn't have near the functionality of Lumia Camera. No "lens", no 4K video, no surround sound on video and those were just the initial things that jumped out.
  • Lose your marbles hehehe. I love this community. :)
  • For build 10166, Lumia Camera is better than the Windows Camera.
  • There's no raw support
  • There's no panorama feature with the windows cam. Pls bring that out before your retire lumia camera
  • But Lumia Camera also doesn't support panoramas, you need to install Lumia Panorama. Two different apps.
  • Yes. That and all of the other "must have" camera features should all be available in the Windows Camera app. Hardware would of course limit some features. For Panoramas, Lumia Panorama works and also Microsoft PhotoSynth. However, therein lies the issue and part of the impetus to get rid of the myriad of disparate Lumia apps and the disparate team needed to support them.
  • Wait...
  • There's also no 4k support. Im losing hope in Microsoft putting their all into windows phone. The quality of apps available on other platforms are far better.....and their made by Microsoft. Features in sunrise for instance are not even in outlook calendar. Microsoft has released apps for iOS before its own platform. Windows phone as a platform has far more potential than the others. All it needs is an app ecosystem so Microsoft is better off just allowing play store
  • its not about features its about interface
  • What about the interface?
  • I love the Lumia Camera UI. It's an elegant design with easy access to all the settings I want. Shutter speed, ISO, etc. While Camera is fast, the UI is clunkier, more busy and more geared to point-and-shoot scenarios. I'd hoped that Lumia Camera would stick around as a "pro" option.
  • I figured this would happen. As long as all the features are there.
  • How can I reframe and re-reframe with the native camera app? Will they take that feature from Lumia Camera?
  • Well I would if I could even use Lumia camera, still stuck with Nokia camera...
  • Not oversampling!
  • Not all features are included in Windows Camera.  I can't seem to find lenses.  Microsoft keeps "dumbing" down their phones. I was at a VMUG User conference yesterday and it took me 20 minutes to find an adequate QR code scanner in the app store.  Apple and Android users enjoy this feature built-in to their OS.
  • Yes, as you mention, Apple and Android have "must have" camera features cooked into their default camera app (panoramas too). That's what I think is happening here. Not so much "dumbing down" as simplifying and applying consistency to the maddening array of Lumia apps out there. When you have to ask "Which app do I open to do X?" when you are already IN the Lumia or Nokia camera app (that's maddening too), the inconsistency of the experience hurts the platform as a whole. I think once they get ONE camera app and ONE camera app team, we will get a great unified experience. Here's hoping that is the case.
  • Bing Vision (in lenses) does read QR codes though. Hopefully they would keep that.
     
  • You find the QR code scanner on WP by pressing 'search' button and then the 'eye'.
  • on windows 10 mobile i get weird lines on photos and overall low quality images. Lumia camera was the only thing that stopped me rolling back to wp8.1. The win10 mobile stock camera is not that good
  • Actually at this time(build 10166) it's not a good move. Cuz,
    • image quality is low.
    • can't get 5MP oversampled photo/ raw image.
    • missed the Smart sequence mode. (remove moving objects, change faces, action shot, motion blur errr... nothing)
    • not focusing(auto focus) correctly(actually not working) when on video mode, need to tap on screen every time to focus.(will fix on future updates)
    • lens option also gone. These points are valid for Lumia 1020(i don't know about other devices). Image quality is actually low.
    Yah, there are some good features but I really need these points too.
  • For me the image Quality is high, clean your lens, and i do like that it takes a 39 or 36mp picture even if you zoom in, no need for shitting 5mp ones, the full mp, but no raw support is a bit annoying and yes smart sequence needs to come back    
  • It's not the lens buddy :/ Lumia camera app gives more sharpness than Windows camera app.
    And I'm a big fan of 5MP oversampled photo cuz it is easy to share.
    Anyway Microsoft can improve this.
  • Tested Windows Camera on L1020. Horrible!!! awful picture quality! No dual save, missing other things!! Simply horrible!!! Hope this won't happen to denim devices :| Tested it now on 1520 also: no picture resolution change! photo quality is low, very low compared to lumia camera 5. No thanks. I'll keep the lumia camera 5 appx on my hard drive and sideload if needed after a reset. Sorry MS but your camera app is not good at all
  • Why would you want two saves? the 36/39mp are better and allows you to edit them on the phone and try cleaning your lens
  • Not a big deal really, two saves. But the quality is horrible. Photo quality is horrible at this moment with windows camera on my 1520. I'll never use it if it does not get updated with the proper algoryhtms.
  • NO that is not true, 34/38 MP are not better than 5 MP, that's only true if you make ZOOM.  Pureview Oversamplig makes the 5 MP look so much sharper and with more details(it uses 7 pixel info to create 1 pixel): Same pics, left: 5 MP, right: 38MP http://imageshare.puchu.es/images/sinttuoso.jpg   http://imageshare.puchu.es/images/sinttusos.jpg  
  • that is interesting to see, but I guess it would look sharper on bigger size and display resolution ?
  • No, it won't. With LC you could manually do the same using DNG and manually downsample it to 5MP (which I did), but it's not quite possible with 38MP JPG photos without losing too much detail.
  • Wouldn't be a big deal if we could save 36/38MPx raw. But Windows Camera doesn't support raw capture, only Lumia Camera does and because it's not possible to use LC on W10 it's not possible to capture raw. And that was the main feature of L1020 for me.
  • What's new in windows camera ?? Same features or any other new in windows camera ?
  • But no raw support
  • ... Yet, the OS doesnt release for another 3 months, im sure theyll have it finished by then
  • No no no you see there is no room for development. We demand everything right this moment and at a cost of $0. Gimmie society.
  • It's good to have changes everytime, but please be wise everytime before a step forward, otherwise it will become worse is your support is not able to catch up Samsung and LG technology, be honest.
  • This software is still under construction and design decisions are apparently still being made. The Windows Insider program is different from a even a beta test program where we might depend on constant refinement. Somebody remodeling a house might have to depend on a water hose for water while the bathroom is being moved and upgraded.
  • Does it have living images?
  • Hell, I can't even get the "Store" update to download let alone anything else.
  • The Microsoft camera app is GARBAGE compared to the Lumia one. Rich capture is WAY slower, can't be edited, and looks like balls. F that. I'm sticking with Lumia.
  • The most famous part of Nokia camera is the low light performance, if MS cannot commit the basic requirement from existing Lumia devices, better stick with current condition, you are failed for few times so WP 10 is not allow to has any risky, at least coming years.
  • It doesn't matter to what they would named it. Lumia camera, microsoft camera, or just camera. I don't care.. As the app could run smooth and give a good quality photo would just enough for me.
  • Lumia Camera team was in Microsoft Mobile. I assume they been fired in Nadella purge. Interesting to see how many years it will take for Redmond team to create viable substitute.
  • If Juha is out also, then we will remain with a total dissaster camera experience.
  • What about all the other Lumia apps? Does the camera app let you record in 4k?
  • Lumia Creative Studio needs to also become Windows Creative Studio, then made availible across all devices and tablets.
  • IMO there really shouldnt be any brand specific apps, unless of course the apps are for controlling a specific piece of hardware unique to the device. Most devices have a camera, therefore every device should get the same high quality camera app. On the other hand, some devices have random features like an IR blaster, in that case, a device specific app would be needed. Windows phone needs to be a consistent experience across all devices/brands. If lumias get all these unique apps that nobody else can, then everyone is going to buy the Lumia's over other OEM hardware, leading to less OEMs wanting to make windows phones.
  • To make sure you keep lumia camera 5 for denim device users, get the full appx from the web and save it somewhere. If neeeded you'll be able to sideload it very easy on your phone. But let's hope that we won't get to that. It would be a total shame for MS to have such a garbage camera app!!
  • This makes sense. One thing I've consistently heard multiple reviewers complain about is how confusing it is for there to be multiple camera apps. Back in the Nokia days, it was worse. There were multiple camera apps, plus like 6 different apps that did a minute, specific task that could've easily been integrated.
  • Mkay.
  • Windows camera current version has show stopper rich capture bug
  • I won't ditch Lumia Camera for Windows Camera. Lumia Camera is still better than Windows Camera, including Rich Capture and RAW file capture.
  • it makes total sense yes as long as we won't see a degradation in picture quality. As it is now it is totally useless. Indoor photos look much worse than with Lumia Camera 5. I'll test also outdoor but I am pretty sure it won't be much different. I'll make two photos and post the links here. You decide if what I am saying is true or not.
  • Good move!   It could also make the possibility of transiion to Surface phone line more sensible
  • and it could also mean that MS is getting ready to give it to android and iphones.
  • Is about time, so many confusing Lumia camera apps
  • Amen. Said much the same in two comments above.
  • So all of Nokia's hard work making an amazing camera app and they now want to give it to every tom dick and harry. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I read this as Lumia Camera being tossed and new app built from scratch by Microsoft. Lumia Camera team was based in Finland & Sweden and part of Microsoft Mobile ltd. I guess that team is no more.
  • So does Windows Camera support 5 + 16MP JPG and 4K Videos on the L930 already? The version from build 10149 didn't have that functionality yet
  • I would advice against uninstalling the lumia camera app right now till they bring all the features over. Too many good things are missing like being able to do videos in 4K. Another mess by Microsoft like the xbox app. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I tried the W10 Tech. Preview with this camera software yesterday on my Lumia 930, but the 4K settings doesn't available. I've rolled back to the 8.1 and waiting for the 120 FPS feature. 
  • YESSS!!!!! I missed having Lumia Camera when I had to switch to my HTC One. This new app port to Windows Camera will make me so happy!!!!! Granted, features will take awhile to port over, but there's three months that Microsoft pushes out updates. I'd say to the naysayers, give Windows Feedback on the camera app what should be included. :) They're much more receptive to feedback, especially since Windows 10's launch for desktop.
  • You wont get Lumia Camera, no one will.
  • There. I fixed it. Happy? :)
  • Lumia camera is waaay better then Microsoft's own camera app. More user-friendly and the results is way better whit Lumia camera. Everything I love whit Lumia is slowly dying..
  • This is taken with Lumia Camera 5: http://i.imgur.com/cy7RxnE.jpg This is taken with windows camera: http://i.imgur.com/Q8p4ZJa.jpg To compare more exactly, zoom in, and compare side by side. Windows Camera photo is way less sharp. Too much soft in it. I will test on more scenarios these days...but for now I won't give up on Lumia Camera app...
  • You're a very good lad.
  • Good job mate!
  • Wow... that is the most beautiful picture of a rancid ashtray that I've ever seen -_-
  • Lumia camera sounds better. Keep the name Microsoft camera not windows camera which can be used across various devices.
  • It will be better to have all Lumia tagged app's features on Windows Camera.
  • I hate Windows default camera ugh does it have the 4s light paint effect on windows camera effect yet? cause if not I ain't moving!
  • 'before you all lose your marble and start to rant....' How disrespectful! Boy, we read your blog so I think the words you should be looking for are, 'Thank you.'
  • So no more RAW support???
  • Windows camera is missing manual focus! Important feature for example to be able to make beautiful pictures with something sharp in teh foreground with a blurry background. Lumia camera makes better quality pictures as well. And the user interface in Lumia, where you can enable the settings by swiping on the "trigger" is brilliant. No jumping around the damn menus. Again Microsoft is dropping the ball on user interface! Not happy!
  •  I sure do hope that Juha, the leader in Camera development at MS is still there to fix this mess. I can't believe that MS could be satisfied with the current performance of the windows camera app :|. Simply destroys the excelent reputation of the Lumia phones for their cameras.
  • MS is easily satisfied. If it takes eternity to get working music app then a bit more complex apps will take a few eternities.
  • Btw tossing MM imaging team, if that's what has happened, would also explain why no proper camera flagships are in the horizon or beyond.
  • So this means Lumia Camera will be no more? What about Lumia Camera 5 that's just released?
  • That's a relief! Phew!
  • It's a good thing that Microsoft is merging these two apps, BUT... ...the default filenames of pictures and videos made with Lumia Camera look like this : WP_yyyymmdd_hh_mm_ss, while those made with Windows Camera look like this : WP_yyyymmdd_nnn where nnn is an incremental number. The way the files are named with Lumia Camera is MUCH better, particularly for video files which have no exif metadata with the time (hour-minutes-secondes) of the take. It is also better when you collect pictures from your friends (it avoids having exact the same filenames). Microsoft, please change the default filenames of pictures and videos made with Windows Camera, and make it the same as in Lumia Camera !!!
  • So Lumia is no more ultimate camera phone?! Well done Microsoft! c  
  • This I really great! Since that Windows Camera is basically the Lumia Camera, we don't need 2 apps.....but, Living Images seems missing.
  • No
  • But is it as fast the lumia cam?
  • About time they ditched all Lumia and Nokia crap, and utilized the tech the MS way with better features. For these living in the past, well sucks to be you
  • Well, I tried the camera app just now. I am not satisfied with it. Will be using lumia camera until they pull the app together.
    For some reason the pictures I took while rich capture mode and on, look like shit. And there's no option to record 4K video. So it's a big NO from me for now.
  • Same here. Even with manual controls, photos come out like crap! I am saving an appx of lumia camera 5 found on the web in case MS screws things up badly.
  • I feel that MS will ditch "Lumia". Please no
  • So that's that mean living image wont work and what is going to happen to refocus. Lumia cinemagraph and story tellerwhich I love those apps
  • Well you can say thank you to Satya for ditching all Nokia team members...and seems like Imaging team also who was responsible for our great camera experience. Seems that Juha is still there, as he not too long ago, posted on his twitter account a reply to someone asking about a problem on his Lumia camera. So there is still a chance this joke of an app would get better. I do not think that Microsoft is that stupid to throw away maybe the most important thing that stood up on this platform.
  • Aaargghhh, can't believe they're doing this, how could they, the lying, cheating sons of bleeeeeeep, etc, etc, etc Actually, I prefer the native camera app in W10....it works really well and does everything Lumia Camera does :) Just a pity the entire W10 phone OS is sooooo unstable right now. My phone has become like a game of craps...everytime I try to use the dang thing it's like a roll of the dice as to whether it'll actually work or just freeze and crash....ho hum, the joys of dev preview software     
  • depending on your phone. Several of us here tested the app on Denim devices: 930,1520 and the output is horrible. No sharpness, lack of detail etc.
  • Win ten mobile is not a dev preview. You might want to look into what you installed.. Just saying ..
  • It's about the app not the OS. MS should not throw users those messages telling to use a camera app that is not finished as it seems. 
  • Can't record videos in surround sound with windows camera tho on 930 ,could with Lumia camera
  • Not gonna happen until they fix it for the 1020.
  • No more Living Images?
  • Who knows.. Remember 10 isn't released yet. I am sure they Van release it.
  • I just wish Windows Camera provided me with an indication of what the current ISO level is like the Lumia camera does (corresponding to a particular manual shutter speed, with ISO remaining at auto). This way I was able to assess what would be approximately a good shutter speed to use given a scene, judging by the corresponding ISO suggested by the algorithm (I used to adjust the shutter speed so that I hit ISO≈100 for day shots, ISO=800 for night)
  • Windows camera has never been good, photo reproduction wise. So stop your jollying wc fanbois.
  • Software should be universal across all wp10 devices. Hardware like Lumia should and could have unique features.
  • That hardware will then require special software to make use of those features (e.g. Glance - I'm still smarting over the demise of the Glance Backgrounds app, pointless as it is for half the Lumia line and all the non-Lumia phones).
  • I really like the camera app interface on my HTC One M8
  • I've always used Camera anyway. I never really needed all the features of the Lumia app.
  • about time. That lumia camera mess needed to go. There was no reason for 3 seperate lumia camera apps.
  • The shots from this windows camera has some weird grids, so it's not the same. I'm still gonna use lumia camera for now until they fix the grid issue on my 930
  • Give 4s shutter speed to non pureview as well as non zeiss lens devices !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Ok done, now can you MS do two things for me? 1)make it so that i can block junk email from my phone 2) get my album art from the one drive music folder out of my photos. That's all. Thanks
  • I have installed Windows 10 and I couldn't get Lumia camera to work, it closed right after I opened it so I uninstalled it and I can't install it anymore from the store so I have to use the camera app but it's missing the quality options for photos so I can't take 19 MP photos from my Lumia 1520. Also the rich capture feature doesn't work for me, it leaves some weird horizontal lines in my shots.
  • Pm me an I will give you the appx for lumia camera 5. Install it directly on your phone after enabling developer mode
  • Windows mobile 10 camera is slow and lag during video making on my lumia 640 XL
  • WHAT
    THE
    FUCK
    First make a decent camera app and then ditch what was working. Where is my DNG support? Where is dual-capture I had on my L1020?
  • Nice, but you cant edit rich captures or shoot in 4k with windows camera, so its not "Better."
  • I'd use Microsoft Camera if they can fix the issue where lines appear on my photos when using the "magic wand" icon. This issue doesn't occur when using Lumia Camera.
  • Ok. So these two are not even close yet. I have a 1020 and the new 640xl. 1020 no living imiges on either Windows C or Lumia C app. 640xl has no living imiges on Windows C app but does have it on Lumia C app. 1020 no slider to bring out all the options for taking a picture on Windows C. instead you have to go to settings and change one by one with half the screen being hidden with the settings charm. So how can you see whats changing right in front of you. 1020 Lumia C has the slider and you can view the image changing as you make your changes. The same two things happen on the 640xl 1020 does not have rich capture on Windows C or Lumia C. 640xl does have rich capture in Lumia C but not on Windows C. Also no rules of third and other grid changes are not in Windows C. Lumia C has these options for both 1020 & 640xl 1020 does not have hold camera function to record video on either WIndows C or Lumia C. 640xl has this option in Lumia C not Windows C The one plus is the Windows C app does take faster pictures but lacks quality. These are a few differences that Microsoft better add to WIndows C in order for them to want people to switch over to there app instead of Lumia C app.  
  • Why can have the series 30 in the most living memories, if are, slower speed clocks? Are mostly 1,2 GHZ, the legacy models aka series 20 are mostly 1,5GHZ even the Motorola Moto G has HDR and it's an,crappy hardware why the legacy models can't https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/smartphones/motorola-moto-g
  • Is the 1020 faster now? Or does it still take forever to launch the app?
  • It is faster
  • Is it in principle possible, that Microsoft could have had Windows Camera as an update to Lumia Camera, so the switch could have been done automatically?  My mom has a Lumia 830 and my guess is that she'll be quite confused once I tell her about this. 
  • I use the lumia camera app the most. It is the best UI in my opinion. The right balance between buttons and the viewer, with additional settings hidden in the dot-dot-dot menu and the small menu at the top. I also like the the hideable scroll wheels to change settings on the fly. The scrolling makes sense and the show and hide animations are gorgeous. No please don't change a thing. Perfect. It works to well as a UI to take picutres, its a fast and snappy, not crowded with endless buttons and features to drive you mad and never get done with settings to get that once in a moment shot. Get in, get out, take the picutre, done.
  • So, i had to go back in my app download history and i tried to download lumia camera, but it wouldnt let me, kept telling me it was installed even though it wasnt. I then downloaded lumia camera beta and it looks just like windows camera!!! The icons and everuthing and it even allows for editing of rich capture. So, if you uninstalled lumia camera you can still dl the beta version.
  • Hoping it is better than Lumia Camera which currently is so good!
  • Seems faster
  • While starts as fast as in the series 30 in the series 20 that it's what counts
  • Just as long as they add the preset options back in to windows camera in windows 10.  The lumia camera is really a photographer's camera app.  I don't know how to adjust the Lumia camera options for good sports, close-up, or backlight photos. They have to add these in to truly combine the windows camera with the lumia camera.  Does anyone know if they are planning to add these in?
  • Right now on the Icon, the new camera sucks. It puts Line in my pictures, and stutters. Needs lots of work.
  • Still missing DNG support
  • Living Images support or nah?
  • Lumia camera is more powerful and a mile way better result in capturing image than the native camera app
  • The worst part is, can you imagine a photography flagship like the Lumia 1020 without a "pro" app as easy to use as Lumia Camera? I think the people hoping for a 1030/1040 will be left hoping forever.
  • One day... Rich capture is buggggggyyyyy
  • I'm pleased with this decision
  • Whats odd is that I dont even have the windows camera on my Lumia 640 :/
  • So the  Refocus, and other neat features that was found in the 1020 will be available in the windows camera? Or is that all being taken away?  
  • Will the same feature avalible on tablet
  • I'll ditch it when you make it take proper pics with my 1020
  • Let de Lumia camera app remain like dat
  • The Lumia camera app is better than the normal app
  • But they aren't as GOOD as the the Lumia Camera versions of those features.  I always find myself going BACK to the Lumia version.  This is just another example of how second rate Microsoft is making their OS.  They LOSE features or the features are sub-par compared to what came before.  The camera especially.  Now we're settling for 20mp cameras with less impressive software.  Way to go, Microsoft.
  • No 4k video recording??? Also, in Win 10 mobile, the option to select the camera is greyed out??
  • Lumia camera took better pcs and videos
  • Now if you could only switch the default camera in built 10660....
  • Not exactly the same yet. Keep Lumia camera from Nokia until Microsoft adds all the features in Lumia camera to Microsoft camera or windows camera or w/e they call it
  • If am using a Lumia its bcos of the Lumia camera.
  • When it can do 4K video with Dolby Digital audio I'll switch.
  • Currently using the Windows Camera, though. Although the colors and details are, yes, washed out or a bit dull, I'm okay with it for the moment. Especially the colors, I'd still opt for a more 'natural' look.
  • Even the windows camera u can't find focus in it. Which I do love most
  • Living images? Pick photo using frames of HD videos? These options better all be available!!
  • Easy decision for me. I haven't been able to get Lumia Camera to work on my 635 in months.
  • They can't seem to make up their minds. This makes now, but please, I hope this switch back finally takes into account long-term planning. Same kind of issue with offline maps, what's the deal there going forward? HERE maps? Bing Maps? With Microsoft offloading some of their mapping tech, are we still maintaining access to high quality offline maps?
  • Sorry but wp10 camera is uglier compared to Lumia camera
  • no stereo sound recording on video capture .