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Samsung reportedly looking to build more Windows Phones, if Microsoft settles legal battle

Samsung may well be looking to produce more Windows Phones, should Microsoft settle the royalties legal battle on Android products. According to the report on Korea Times, the manufacturing giant that is Samsung has been reported to be at least considering the Windows Phone platform to launch more affordable hardware.

It makes sense for Samsung to broaden its catalogue of smartphones across multiple operating systems, especially since the company is attempting to slash its reliance on Google's mobile operating system. An official involved with the matter between Microsoft and Samsung was quoted in the Korea Times report:

"Samsung has run pilot programs on the stability of Windows 8.1 software on devices. It is interested in promoting Windows mobiles. If the companies settle their litigation, then Samsung will manufacture handsets powered by the Microsoft-developed mobile platform. The timing could be the third quarter of this year at the earliest."

Microsoft and Samsung remain locked in an legal entanglement, which led the latter calling Redmond out as a direct competitor with the acquisition of Nokia's mobile business.

Source: Korea Times; thanks, Luuk T., for the tip!

Rich Edmonds is a word conjurer at Windows Central, covering everything related to Windows, gaming, and hardware. He's been involved in technology for more than a decade and knows a thing or two about the magic inside a device chassis. You can follow him over on Twitter at @RichEdmonds.

381 Comments
  • Ativ S last man standing in this.
  • Samsung need to pay their dues
  • 6 billion in dues if I remember right. And that's a number from months ago, bet they owe more still now.
  • MS must not settle, SameSung owes them money, they must pay! Besides if it hurts them enough, and this is my wishful thinking, maybe SameSung will go bankrupt and Scroogle will lose a valuable LagDroid partner... Bah! Who am I kidding, SameSung has too much money to go broke!
  • Do you think it makes you look smarter to say things like SameSung, Scroogle, and LagDroid?
  • Yes cuz its true lol
  • it is not LAGDROID it is HANGROID ;)
  • That makes windows phone ''. . resuming. . . . phone'' ?
  • "Resuming..." is caused by cheap but slow SD cards.
  • I got a resuming 920 that only has internal memory and no SD expansion, so that's not true
  • Same thing with my 925. No SD slot to start with, and resuming all the time.
  • Very True!
  • Samsung going bankrupt wouldn't make more people buy WP, though. And, why wish for that anyway? You want millions of people to lose their jobs, simply because you don't like a brand? I thought this community was better than that. Maybe, I thought wrong.
  • Its actually worse and its really starting to show.
  • This. Together lets be better than we've been lately. The frustration is building due to Microsoft ITSELF lagging even if its software is not. People here have been childish lately. I might as well be over at BGR comments, ya know? Relax. Everyone altogether now "Woo-saaaah". Deep breath..."Woo-saaaah" Now stop being fanboys!!
  • This^^
  • Ya budy ur right but Microsoft need to make a Wp OS better don't need to deal with Samsung if people not interested to buying wp then what happen Samsung made only few wp then MS is I in lost
  • Actually it would if their phoones were no longer about.
  • Yes but Samsungs profits is expected to be 37% down this year, maybe this is the reason for it.
  • I think it's $6 million and change, not $6 billion. I agree that fair is fair, and Samsung owes Microsoft that money regardless, therefore Microsoft should not have to submit to keep Samsung on board with producing Windows Phones. But it's also not a very big deal. Maybe Microsoft can forgive this interest and convince Samsung to spend en equivalent amount on marketing their Windows Phones in 2015.
  • I like this idea
  • Sound good.
  • You do know Microsoft gave Nokia a pile of cash before they bought them. If Microsoft wiping out that money delivers a note 4 on all carriers I'm all for it. Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
  • +1
  • Samsung wouldn't have this problem if they just would've supported Windows Phone in the first place. Android was never free.
  • It is free. Android is open source, what's not open source or free is Google services. Research before making these comments. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Android is not cheap. OEMs are paying Google for Google services and paying Microsoft for patent fees. It takes more resources for OEMs to test their bloatwares with every Android OS update.
  • Only AOSP is open and free. The Android you are enjoying is not according to Ars Technica [1]. Google has been hard at work to make almost every single feature of the android smartphone dependent on Google Services or run an extremely striped down version of basic "smartphone essentials" such as the browser, calendar and photos apps To be fair these Google Services are provided for free BUT are not open source. Manufacturers who want to install the Google Services will require independent certification (fee applies). Also there is an additional "fee" to Microsoft if the company settled with them as Google provided some features "as if" without proper liscening [1] The great Ars experiment—free and open source software on a smartphone?! | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/07/exploring-the-world-of-foss-andro...
  • Android is not really "free" because it implements tech owned by other companies. Google (dishonestly) avoids the direct lawsuits by providing source code, so they are only "publishing" previously published IP, thus sticking the bill for "implementing" the IP to manufactureres like Samsung.
  • Adroid is made on the linux kernal and it is not open source, its not open source cause it cant work without google services, you said it your self.  However there are versions of linx as phone os that are open source.
  • Yep, sounds a lot like subtle blackmail to me.
  • Exactly. Settle the dispute, save us billions and we'll make a crappy last generation"flagship" for WP
  • That is what I was thinking. As such make them pay.
  • Especially since 'making Windows Phones' was already part of the deal anyway.
  • Exactly..it's what Microsoft gets..Last generation device..That's very true since windows phone doesn't support the current generation Hardware's found in Current Android flagships...
  • That is some BS you're talking there.  smh, not just cry babies but stupid cry babies.
  • Yes it does, for some reason manufacturers don't use it. I forgot what company just released a phone with a sd410 processor
  • Show me a Samsung phone with a 41 megapixel camera?  How about a 21 megapixel camera?  I these are last generation, what does that make Galaxy? Samsung make very cheap phones for very cheap people - mostly Chinese.  They use the latest generation CPUs because their software (Android) won't run without it.  Their name literally means "Three Stars".  That's out 10.
  • Windows Phone does support current generation hardware from Qualcomm. It is not required to run and to keep pricing low "previous" generation, as you call it, hardware is used.
  • That's not even flagships. They say "affordable hardware" in the article. So it must be another 1.2QC S200...
  • Truth.
  • Just what I was thinking, Sunnybyday. Hope MS doesn't fall for it and tells them to pound sand. Make a worthwhile WP, with the free WP OS, and maybe we'll talk.
  • Perhaps blackmail is too strong a word? This is like dangling bait, a sweetener - as if to say "please don't make us pay what we legally owe you and in return we'll put wp on some hardware... Pretty please? We're Samsung, everyone loves us... It's not as though we're shutting down stores or losing market cap... We're loaded and could pay you but we don't want to... Please don't take our money and we'll put wp on some genetic device, we've got plenty... Please... Sniff sniff". Something like that ;)
  • And Microsoft doesn't need Samsung. Apple seems to be doing just fine without anyone else doing hardware and Microsoft now has a hardware so Samsung definitely NOT needed ever.
  • Yet doesnt Apple actually need Samsung; arent about 1/3 of the internals of the iPhone from Samsung
  • Apple buys a lot of components from Samsung, but nothing they buy is a Samsung exclusive and all these components have multiple sources. It mostly comes down to finding manufacturers with enough capacity for Apple.
  • Oh dear, how uninformed you are ... :)
  • N*kia said to micr*soft " wp, you're my older brother, and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the platform again. Ever. ;)
  • I knew it was you, Samsung.....you broke my heart...
  • Pay up then Samsung it will go away
  • Hey Samsung, let's go fishing.
  • ➡ http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/001/384/Atrapitis.gif
  • They'll make low end phones mostly. Just a guess though.
  • Yeah, but it would be great if they made a galaxy s6 for Windows, like HTC did for their one m8
  • Especially if the s6 is rumored to be metal and not that cheap plastic. Could sell well I think.
  • It'll be the ATIV S6 then? As galaxy is for android.
    And ATIV for wp.
  • I rather see a note running wp10
  • They probably wouldn't be able to put all the Note features into a Windows version. With out the Note features, what would the point be?
  • ehh. who cars about that crappy s-pen. what retard really spends hours writing with that when I can type a paragraphg int he time they get half a sentence out. its more like an apple hipster device cause tis only use is really drawing. hippy crap.
  • Look at the surface 3 its basically a note tablet with i 5 i7 socs so windows will allow full use of a galaxy notes features so would be good if samsung can make note 4 note5 work for windows 10 i wkuld buy ine as win 10 is really good on my macbook and making a note in wp or an s6 would be good for wp in the long run as you got xbox games store for games include all the samsung features in win 10 it should work well include a galaxy gear watch with cortana it should all work well together as ms are releasing the same features as apple and android just need some other oem pbone makers onboard as the nokia are only good for cameras and lack the power of top android phones
  • Dont think so, if there is a Android Version... I don't think it will get many new costumers for wp.
  • I think it is great how they made their new galaxy S5 line. My friend has an S5 and dropped it so many times, and it didn't crack. Yet, the iPhone made out of metal cracks at a one foot drop.
  • Yeah, let's just stick WP into every flagship Android device. I guess it's a win-win since the OEMs can be lazy and put no time and effort by giving us hand-me-downs, and apparently WP users will be happy with it. I think it also gives WP a bad reputation, but you could blame microsoft/nokia for that already by pretty much making it a budget platform. If they don't put out flagships, then maybe the hand-me-downs will be the only high end devices we can get.
  • Low end isn't their style midrange is closer to it especially if they manufacture their own ram/nand
  • They can get gtfo. Google and Samsung's stance should be taken by Microsoft. But Microsoft has this attitude of giving away loves to everyone but it's own platform. Learn something Microsoft.
  • If they settle the 6 billion they owe Microsoft. Well you wanted to sell Android buddy, your fault and your problem, now cough up the dough so they can put it to good use on Windows. ;D
  • It is $6.9m: http://mobile.reuters.com/do/urlRedirect?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.co...
  • Microsoft's stance is so ahead of the time. They are ignoring all this crap OS leveraging and placing services on all devices. Essentially, by using Microsoft services, I have the freedom to use any device I want and get a great experience. I could switch to iOS today, and still get a great experience using the Microsoft ecosystem. The money is in the services, and MS knows that. Be glad for the freedom!
  • Yes! THIS ^^^ Microsoft's services on other platforms in no way diminishes how much I love WP
  • Well said. Though I have no intention of leaving my beloved WP, it nice to know you can access MS services everywhere. Everyone is so busy trying to be the MS of yester year and trying to have one OS to rule them all that they are ignoring the fact that people are going to go with whatever is popular as long as the basics are in place. The 90s are long gone.
  • Well does it really matter if they don't distribute and market the phones properly? The ATIV series was DoA. 
  • You took the words out of my mind!
  • Hit the nail on the head. A nice device which most people either don't know about or cant get hold of anyway
  • The Ativ S was the original Windows phone I wanted. I couldn't get it here in the U.S. so I picked up a Lumia 920. Which I still use as I write this. I've used this phone to show off Windows and convert people to the platform. If I could have had the Ativ S, it would have been that I used as my representative of Windows.
  • I was in the exact same boat. After my research I concluded the Ativ S was the best phone for my needs, but I had no idea when it was coming out. There was so little information. I asked around but no one could tell me. I ended up buying a 920. Samsung made getting that phone as frustrating an experience as possible.
  • And why do people not know about it? Samsung didn't care enough to advertise or support it like the do there their Android counterparts. I really hope Microsoft doesn't fall for this; if they do, their naive!
  • It was nice for a while. Right until Samsung found a loophole that allowed them to stop updating it. At some point last year Microsoft required a speciffic firmware update from each manufacturer to be sent to the users. If you did not have that update then you did not get any newer updates. Samsung basically delayed that update for half a year without reason. And then the crappy firmware came. First version sucked the battery dry in 6 hours. Second version randomly crashed/restarted the phone. Third one again had battery issues _and_ introduced strange camera issues. Right now I can use the camera to take _one_ photo and then it stops capturing anything. Also, some time last year they broke video recording at 1080p - it recorded 5 seconds followed by 30 of frozen image. Switched to a Lumia 830 for a week now. I don't expect to be buying another Samsung phone for a long long time.
  • As a daily Ativ S user: I have absolutely no idea what u r talking about. Enjoying every second of this amazing phone.
  • I love my Ativ S; its the phone that helped push me into the Windows Phone camp.  Hopefully this Samsung/MS re-alliance will come to pass and Samsung will make some flagship WP devices soon.
  • exactly, look what they did for Android in the early days. They made flagship hardware and went head to head with Apple and almost single-handedly made a successful platform out of Android. They could be good for WP if they really committed to it.
  • If they don't market it, then we get the device at 70% off market value. I'm cool with no marketing, I bought two Ativ S at half the price off a galaxy.
  • Thats good news as Samsung is the biggest phone producer in the world.
  • No I've seen this song and dance from Samsung. They promised to make windows phones to get a better rate on royalties. Well they made phones, but they were last Gen hardware and not marketed or pushed at all. Meanwhile they sucked up MS resources in the process. Heck I bet MS paid more in development costs for those points that Samsung.
  • I like the fact that people keep hatin' on the original Ativ s as being older hardware. Esp. if u consider the hardware was almost exactly the same as the Nokia flagship which was released around the same time. Sure, nokia has better xameras, but no Nokias released around that time had a replacable battery and microsd and 1gb of memory. Amazes me how selective people can be in "remembering" stuff when it suits them best in discussions. 
  • aha, my ativ killer aka lumia 820 got to that poll by the time sammy kissed it..... remember??
  • So.. A phone (the 820) with the same specs (same amount of memory, also sporting a 1,5 Ghz dual core processor) but with a smaller screen kills the other. Oh, okay. Does the brand label give it special powers or something? Did i miss something? lol Also; the Ativ S was available here (in Europe that is) short after release for 200 euros off contract. The Lumia 820 sold for roughly around 350-400 euro's. Almost double the price for roughly the same hardware. It's also nice that for example the Wikipedia article regarding the 820 calls it a high end smartphone, where as people here refer to the Samsung, which is almost the exact same hardware, as "Last gen Hardware".  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Lumia_820 Also, let's not forget that 'somewhat older' hardware in Android world would give bleeding edge performance with the right OS, being Windows Phone. Contrary to Android, our phones don't NEED 2GB of RAM to run the OS properly.
  • Don't need more from Samsung, thank you. Not unless they are actually going to support their phones after release. The Ativ S never got anything worthwhile :/
  • Support comes to phones people buy. Why would they waste time on a phone no one bought when they have plenty of other phones people actually own. Resources are not infinite, they need to choose where to put them and Windows devices just don't sell.
  • The old hen or egg issue...
  • Can't buy something you didn't see on commercials..... How would you know about any phone if it wasn't advertised anywhere
  • You cant..? I buy loads of things I've never seen in a commercial :P
  • And I'm sure those things aren't cell phones or computers because consumers don't buy those items daily, there single or multi year type devices
  • You do research... I'm not that rich I just pop out and grap what ever I've seen in a commercial. I look things up. When I need a new phone I search the marked for something like 2-3 months...
    MS, Apple all the other big ones don't themselves make commercials here in Denmark. But I still know where to get that stuff... At least the last five phone I've bought I've never seen in a commercial. I heard about them from friends or news feeds.
  • MS has had a long tradition of negotiating with competitors for strategic advantage rather than mindlessly fighting legal battles to no gain. If a beneficial deal can be struck here, ala GS6, then MS should and will pursue it.
  • I agree with you, some WP fans are prone to hatred, and I don't blame them, but MS guys are professionals and I bet their approach will be pragmatical.
    Right now Samsung is struggling and several makers are going wary of Android predominance, so I just hope the platform makes the most of this opportunity.
  • Exactly. The way I look at it is this, Microsoft lacks the "cool factor" that Apple has therefore all the people saying "We don't need SameSung, we got Microsoft Lumia" need to realise that Microsoft NEED other OEMs, including Samsung, to increase market share.
  • Really?? Who the hell thinks apple is "cool"? I swear, I have never heard that. Trendy maybe, but "cool"? Nah.
  • I agree. Can you imagine what it would do for windows phone if Samsung marketed their phone line a Galaxy? It would be HUGE. its to our advantage that MS and Samsung settle this.
  • In certain regions ativ s was labeled galaxy ativ s
  • That's foolish. It's to samsung's benefit if MS settelled with them. I doubt they would do anything more than they already have, then try to blame it on "slow sales of Windows Phone". At best we'd see recycled versions of their android phones... and IMO that's simply not good enough and not worth billions. Fuck that, keep a boot on their throat.
  • Maybe Galaxy S6 with WP :P
  • It would be awesome to have the galaxy family on WP. I don't think we have phone with pen support as yet also
  • My Lumia 620 (and most other Lumias) work with almost any object in high sensitivity mode .... I use it lot of times with my pencil
  • Fuck off Samsung!
  • Hear hear. Plastic crap won't bring anything to the Windows phone platform. I wouldn't use, let alone buy, a Samesung in million years.
    Pay your Android royalties suckers.
  • You're silly if you think Samsung wont bring anything to windows phone. Clearly you didn't pay attention to how Samsung made android what it is.
  • I think they are looking at Samsung's past experiences with WP.
  • Candide, sorry to ruin your interpretation of Androids history but it was HTC and Motorola who made Android relevant and dominant. Samsung didn't take the OEM share until 2012.
  • What have they brought so far?
  • The more phones with WP are available in the market, the better it is for the whole ecosystem.
    Even though I personally wouldn't buy a Samsung WP.
  • This might be a good thing. Samsung advertise very well so this could bring awareness and possibly some market share.
  • They usually only advertise their flagship models. I don't think they will advertise low end windows phone if they make one or some. Unless, they advertise their Ativ series product all together.
  • The ativ was not low end. If making a phone on the same level with good advertising and with Samsung's relationship with the carriers it would help.
  • Learn how to read, tq
  • Well why didn't they advertise the windows phones they made this far? "just imagine the awareness they could have brought to WP"years ago and not be totally reliant on Android. Thru could have expanded the mobile presence beyond Android some time ago!
  • I don't like their design. It feels cheap and...cheap. Cheap but overpriced.
  • Have you held the Galaxy Alpha or Note 4? Feel very nice indeed.
  • I have both of these device.
    To be honest, it's better than previous Samsung phones, but still feel very cheap!
  • Yes I have held Note 4 even though it can't fit my hands, but it feels easy breakable. Samsung really sucks in build quality. No man can convince me opposite.
  • Sorry but you're wrong. I have a Note 4 and it feels fantastic to hold and very sturdy. Your hatred towards Samsung astounds me. I hated Samsung phones until the Note 4 but things change. How does it feel any more breakable than say the Lumia 830/930?
  • i have a note 4 and if you think it feels easy breakable then i doubt you actually own one. it may not be nokia tank like but the note 4 is soild and well built. your first comment says you dont like their design and their phones are overpriced and cheap, but then you say you have the most expensive phone they make. your full of it.
  • Dumbest comment i have ever seen,any phone is breakable depends on the person and how its dropped and where is hits the ground.
  • It is really hard to convince a blind fanboy.
    But like it or not the note 4 is probably the best device on the market at the moment.
  • The Note series is nothing but good devices, they are just a bit too big for me. Polycarbonate is a great material.
  • Yes! A sea of Samsung Windows Phones sounds much better than a sea of Galaxies!
  • Samsung washers suck!
  • It's just business, my friend! :)
  • Not.I have a Samsung washer and dryer... They are great!!
  • I picked up a Note 4 recently as my upgrade and have decided I don't like it, mostly for the fact I dislike Android. Doesn't feel personal enough for me.
    However if it ran Windows Phone I'd be extremely happy with it.
    If they start making a number of low end Windows Phones then I think they would sell extremely well. The number of people in the UK with low end Samsung hardware is crazy.
  • I did the same thing with a GS5, got rid of it after a few days. Had it been running WP 8.1 I'd have never looked back
  • I don't give a damn ... I always wanted to be Microsoft branded only ...
  • Why? We all love this OS, and most of us love Lumias... But it's a matter of fact that the more makers the better :)
  • Microsoft lack the "cool factor" that Apple have so that isn't going to happen
  • What kind of ignorant statement is that? Windows only lacks the "cool factor" with You, because You and people like you, say that. Apple has no cool factor in my opinion and I actually believe Microsoft is quite "cool." Lumias, Xbox, Surface, Band and Windows OS trump everything Apple is doing or making.
  • My wife has a Windows Phone. She likes it but she looks up to her friends and they all have iPhones. She thinks iPhones have the cool factor and wants one. Our family is organized around the WP family room. I've convinced her that the other platforms can't match this.
  • Hahahaha... Samsung why you want to make windows phone? Go and make Android phone only xD
  • Nah don't say that. The more popular OEMs we have the better
  • OEMs ? O.o
  • See here's the thing. Samsung has loyalty with windows in many parts. They have created really nice things. I currently have a Samsung ssd card and its super fast. There are many windows Samsung pcs too. Samsung galaxys suck running android but I bet it wouldn't suck running windows platform. More OEM join Microsoft = more of us =more apps later on. Because developers will note that its worth the try to develop a app for the windows store.
  • OEM = Original Equipent Manufacturer Examples of OEMs are Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG and other companies.
  • Galaxy S6 with Windows would be great.
  • Look if it makes people try Windows 10 then I'm all up for it!
  • Windows Phone doesn't need Samsung.
  • Why not? If this were not just a way to get rid of paying some royalties, if this were an actual strategic move and they planned to actively market Windows phones... Well, man, then it could only be good for the platform, even if you and me would never think of using a Samsung! :)
  • The problem here is....if Microsoft forgives Samsung's Debt in the interest of facilitating an additional WP partner (which Samsung should already be and should already be making windows phones and treating them like their android counterparts)..every other Android OEM that MS has made a deal with will refuse to pay MS what they have agreed to and state that MS is giving preferential treatment to Samsung... MS really does not need Samsung....they should continue their legal battle.... Samsung is in trouble now that they are unable to compete with lower end Android OEMs so now they want to deal with MS??...MS should nail their asses to the wall just like Apple did
  • Exactly. This was just what I was thinking. Every other OEM would also say the same and release some low end windows phones to not pay their dues if MS does a deal with Samsung.
  • I have a better idea, why dont Microsoft just ignore samsung and actually raise their windows laptops royalties.  lets see how many chromebook they sell. I would rather make sure samsung pay its debt and give the money to another company so they make wp devices.  "We dont negotiate with terrorists"!!!!
  • That will happen when Microsoft have the "cool factor" that Apple have, that will be never then!!!!
  • I actually loved my Samsung Ativ. I would gladly but another Samsung product on the Windows platform. The more companies on board the better the market share!
  • I actually got myself a Windowsphone for the reason that no one that I know is on the platform. But with Samsung making more WP devices, it might change things.
    On the brighter side, they may attract developers.
  • EW they can keep their devices. Windows phone is doing fine without them. Still better than HTC.
  • Yah it's really conquering the world lol. Ow wait not, wp needs more makers with good support.
  • I'd be happy to see a true 520/1 successor - if Samsung puts it out, that'd be fine with me, and I think it'd be a winner.
  • Had the ATIV S and now the ATIV SE and both are great phones. Looking forward to their successor.
  • Now that Microsoft is hitting hard at the mass market, Samsung is doing the rethinking. Remember those ATIV products with sky high pricing n least advertisements? ;-)
  • What are they hitting hard?
  • Samsung is just saying this to try to get out of paying Microsoft for their Android patents. It's unlikely that have any real intention to produce a viable Windows Phone any time soon.
  • Samsung is getting a little bit of scared
  • Would be nice for Samsung to put in some windows phones. I must admit I have a fair amount of Samsung stuff. My TV, soundbar, Ativ Tab 3, Tab S 8.4. Although many people here are going to chose Windows over Samsung, there are probably just as many that are more trusting of Samsung than Nokia. Might bring some newcomers to the fray.
  • Wow that's good news... Personally I don't like Samsung phones but more the other company more market share for WP... Good for WP ecosystem.....
  • Samsung is bad, I hate them and android.
  • you should hate the Overrated, PURE EVIL, constantly copying others and fooling ppl that it was all their own idea(Specially Sony), Working Chines workers to death at Foxconn,................. CrApple, NOT Samsung. you should watch BBC's ""2014 apple broken promises""" an hour long documentary, and see for yourself how EVIL, GREEDY, CrApple is, again NOT Samsung. CrApple just trying to make Samsung look bad and themselves look good.  
  • Sorry Samsung first PAY and after you can keep your plastic pathetic shit to yourself
  • you mean CrApple iJUNK that uses the same plastic???????? FYI, Samsung has METAL FRAME, only the back door is polycarbonate so you can remove it to get to the battery UNLIKE iJUNLK, and Samsung has TONES of features that iJUNK wish it had to this date. BTW, show me 1 iJUNK phns is NOT using a PLASTIC protective case to protect their pieces of their overrated crap?????? WHY?? cuz they don't want to DING and SCRATCH their overrated iJUNK devices. So if plastic is so bad, why just about all iJUNK users are using it?????? Also, why every iJUNK6/6+ and even the older models are ALL Bending(go to twitter and search for #Bendgate, and see how many ppl are reporting their iJUNK is BENT). I personally prefer Polycarbonate, Magnesium or Glass(Sony uses that), over a cheap aluminum used in CrApple iJUNK phns. Unless is ceramic coated like Oppo's  R5(which takes Oppo 20 days just to make their Frame on their R5 model, Watch their Video online and see how strong and TIN their R5 phn is, i believe its the thinnest and strongest phn to this date).
  • I'm betting that their lying....
  • i hope so
  • Fck off Samsung.. Your phones will still lag even having Microsoft OS.. :P
  • Damn correct xD
  • Except they don't!!!
  • My Ativ S doesn't lag.
  • Is that phone yours
  • If it will bring more awareness and possibly more market share to WP im all for it.
  • Honestly don't care, im stained in Lumianism.
  • +720
    I hate Samsung's crap
  • Keep your friends close,but your enemies closer.
  • Wisdom
  • You are true godfather
  • A mere act of presence I'm afraid
  • No more midrange phones NO
  • I think this would be a wise move on both companies to continue and settle on this.
    Microsoft should let go of the past debts, and Samsung could be a great ally. Especially if they made some Galaxy-class smartphones along with the budget phones.
  • well, goodbye then, samsung
  • Microsoft gotta stand firm with Samsung,pay your dues
  • Samsung was worst brand with cheap build quality and unknown processors for low end phones.... But recently their new phones started from Galaxy grand prime as much better . Especially the company's A , E series of new phones..... They are made slimmer and selfie centered phones.... I would be glad they make well qualitated Mid Range market for Windowsphone. As Nokia/Microsoft is no more looking to produce new more devices . Its good to have an alternate brand like Sony/HTC/Samsung/LG . Especially am fed up with Camera Quality of Lumia 1320 and to get 730 at alternate as its in same price range . 730 misses many sensors , Glance & Camera shutter button. So if those brands have made W.P I would have gone for Desire 816/820 .
  • Interesting. Thing is Samsung has too many Android phones out there to count. They'll do the same thing with Windows Phone. That might not be a bad thing. Consider that some people may buy a Samsung Windows Phone before they buy a Windows Phone from anyone else. Off of brand loyalty alone. Just like Nokia had that stellar reputation in developing countries, Samsung has that reputation here. People tend to buy the brand, not what is under the hood. To them it's Samsung first, Android second. Microsoft won't let Samsung skin the phone, as Google has with Android, so I question if Samsung is willing to make that concession, if their ego will allow it, lol. We need more vendors and OEMs. Perhaps Samsung can be what Nokia was on this platform. We need the OS to be transparent; most people do not recognize iOS, they just know iPhone, or Apple. I don't see this happening with Microsoft branded phones, but perhaps with Samsung's brand recognition, it can finally be achieved.
  • No. Don't give into Samsung's shit MS. It's a TRAP!
  • But it's popular, more users means more apps+ Samsung has good relationship with the companies
  • I just put 8.1 DP on my SE the right way, and its easily the best WP device on the market. Nokia be damned... Granted I haven't owned the M8, every time I've tried it at Verizon it's been marginally slower.
  • MS should negotiate for a high end device rather than mid or low otherwise it would be useless.
  • Yep, I'm with you
  • Amen brother. I'm with you
  • I would fight for them to release the S6 and Ativ6 with dual advertisements. As in an advertisement that showcases both. So not o ly are they making a flagship for WP, its getting proper exposure. Then they have to support it the entire time they push the S6. Then and only then would I allow them to get off. Even then id still make then pay a fraction of amount instead of not at all. Having Samsung building and promoting Windows Phone as well will be very helpful. Samsung is a brand EVERYONE knows and trusts. Nokia was a brand everyone knew but thought was dead or low end only. Get Samsung on board and repurpose the same exact phone (S6) and push it next to the Android version, I'm sure more people will consider switching. I'd make them do the Note 5 as well somehow. OneNote stylus support on WP.
  • Sorry but I don't think MS needs Sammy any more. ​
  • They really do, people don't buy android they buy Samsung
  • Exactly! We need the brand. People follow the brand. Galaxy line was more popular than Nexus line and any other Android line out there. Because its Samsung.
  • You people are insane. If Samsung announced full migration to Windows, I wonder if you'd sing their praises or continue to bash them. Morons. If Samsung went Windows, it'd be the biggest push for the platform possible, because other than Apple, they're the juggernaut in mobile.
  • Ya..like ativ series!! LOL!
  • Thank you. Samsung is the biggest OEM out there. It is a wonder they haven't developed their own OS. Even though this is an obvious play to cut ties with Google, which is what every OEM wants, I can't see the harm in this. Consumers have more options, and most people will buy from Samsung before they buy from Microsoft.
  • Samsung do have their own OS, Tizen which is being used on their newer Smart TVs.
  • Good move Samsung Windows my favorite OS with the world's leading name in smartphone.
  • And the worst hardware
  • This purple color looks nice.
  • Oh we're blackmailing now, are we?
  • Anyone remember how much we sang the praises of the original Focus? The Focus S is STILL one of my favorite devices of all time. The ATIV series have been well supported. The ATIV SE is an amazing device on Verizon, one of the most underrated WPs in a long time. We as a community of Window's Phone users are better off with Samsung producing handsets than without. I am cheering for a settlement. Make no mistake, I realize Sammy is at fault here, doesn't mean I think they have nothing to offer.
  • We're only better off if Samsung try, the Focus/Omnia 7 of 2010 were pretty good and didn't feel like a year old Android handset, which everything launched since appears to be. Then theres the actual availability, which is near zero in stores here in the UK. Zero effort = zero fcuks given.
  • "We're only better off if Samsung try, the Focus/Omnia 7 of 2010 were pretty good and didn't feel like a year old Android handset, which everything launched since appears to be." Well, not even Microsoft is giving you the latest and greatest. There is no phone more high end made by Microsoft than the Ativ SE. If Microsoft seems reluctant to put out a High End phone and charges you Flagship prices for 2 year old tech, why should Samsung do better? Also, MS puts out updates on other platforms before its own, why should any competitor take it as a first class platform when not even the owners themselves do?
  • It won't be a full effort anyway. Collect your royalties Microsoft, you'll need it while we lose market share with no true flagship out and no widely available ahead update to bring excitement to the WP front.
  • That's the exact reason why Microsoft NEED other OEMs, including Samsung.
  • Hahahahhaha nice one
  • Yeah, forget that 6 billion dollar patent bill and we'll put WP in one of our cheapest Android phones with zero marketing and forget about if after that. Sounds like a great deal. NOT.
  • Exactly, Samsung has no interest in supporting wp and never has
  • Looking at the wider picture, I feel Microsoft should offer a really good percentage in rebate for immediate payment to settle it. Samsung knows they owe them, so a good reduction will definitely help.
    At the same time, Microsoft knows that Samsung has a huge chunk of market share at the moment, so doing anything in Samsung's favor with the trust for Samsung's support for Microsoft OS in return would be the right choice to make in this case.
  • Hmm
  • Hope u guys are aware that Microsoft makes more money from Samsung than all MS phones and OS put together. I don't see a Samsung windowsphone going far. They should stick to paying for patents
  • "to launch more AFFORDABLE hardware" - Fu** that sh*t. If they can't launch a proper flagship then GTFO. Microsoft should not succumb to this this BS crap. Samsung obviously likes what they see in Windows 10 but are using the Android royalty dispute to somehow blackmail Microsoft into a faux agreement. Nope.
  • N*kia said to micr*soft " wp, you're my older brother, and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the platform again. Ever. ;)
  • Samsung can go fuck themselves. They're products are cheap (from tvs to phones to printers) and poorly made and when it comes to WP, they don't support the few wp devices they make for shit. So, as far as I'm concerned, fuck em, we don't need em.
  • Ahh the ignorance is strong. A well known and powerful brand is needed by Microsoft to push wp into the masses
  • No, I understand the whole Samsung thing, but I've been with WP since 7.0 came out in 2010 (Samsung focus) so I've been there for all of samsungs efforts. Having Samsung as an OEM means little to the big picture as Nokia still sold more phones than Samsung in the WP space. The bigger issue is sales people. They push whatever they use which is android or iPhones. Have you ever asked them a question about wp? I have yet to meet a salesperson who knew anything about wp. At the end of the day tho Samsung wp phones will sell but will negatively represent wp as they're buggy and poorly supported. Case in point, my gf got a Samsung ativ and hates it. It freezes, is buggy as hell, was never updated with Bluetooth 4 LE unlike my 1020, and doesn't have any of the value-added features you see on Lumia phones.Samsung phones may add sales to the WP but negatively impacts wp perception in my opinion..
  • Yeah i heard about that. However a Samsung supporting wp can only be good, if done properly ofc. I am curious about the opinion the masses have regarding wp. Hear say and in my circle type of doesn't cut it haha, need hard facts on people's perception
  • I'm not gonna lie my first WP was a Samsung Focus and loved that phone ran smooth had for 3 yrs then I broke the screen for the third time and the buttons were messed up so I replaced it with a 920
  • "Go take a walk Sammy" is what MS is going to say:-) simple reason MS makes more money from Android royalties than selling windows phone
  • samsung dont threaten Ms  
  • Don't settle for this BS blackmail Microsoft. They will make one crappy phone and that's it. 6 billion is a lot, pay up
  • nooooooooooooooooooo. samsung is shit
  • OK samsung, give us something high end at the same time as you launch the S6 and we can talk, otherwise GTFO. Hell, there's even a pretty good untapped market in WP for something top end seeing as MS has nothing slated there. I had the rather nice Samsung Omnia 7 16gb when it was launched and I really liked it, since then they've given us the mildly rewarmed remains of last years android phone and hardly anyone bought them. I'll bet that samsung are only releasing the bare minimum to cover a deal they've made with MS.
  • I don't know the details of the lawsuit so I won't comment on it. While sales have slipped, Samsung is the largest smartphone manufacturer around. If they would produce, push, and support Windows Mobile in large amounts it would definitely help the growth of Windows.
  • They might make a high end but maybe slightly less better than S6? I think.
  • If I were MS, I would meet them some of the way. Ask for 3 billion cash, then advise that for every WP they sell, they get 2 Android patent fees for free. However, they should insist on some parity of features and release dates. They release S6 or whatever on Android, they should also throw out one for Windows. Same with the Note. My only worry is that Samsung may crowd out other Windows Phone manufacturers. I would like to see HTC, LG and Sony do well on Windows first. Particularly HTC.
  • Now Samsung isn't doing as well as they were of course they will try broaden their sea of so so phones. Microsoft, open your eyes and see from the history. Samsung has never been a good business partner. Especially when they are not even willing to play the game fairly.
  • Maybe in the phone business but Samsung makes alot of other Microsoft products lol
  • No Samsung, stop that crappy strategy. Paying your debts is nothing to do with your desire of creating or not more WP devices.
  • I hate Samsung but they're improving the build quality with the Alpha and their new A3 and A5. If the S6 comes with the same design and build it will be a great phone (ruined by TouchPiss but that's another story). If Microsoft settles a dispute that they probably won't win in favour of having Samsung release those three ogiva with WP, they'll be gaining some really compelling devices from a popular brand to help out the bleed WP had suffered since Nokia left. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • *those three PHONES. *has suffered.     Damn swiftkey.
  • It sounds like.a.great idea until.all the other android OEM's want to do the same thing. Then you'll have a initial uptick in low end phones, but have no support & are crappy low end devices that in the long run hurt the platform because people will associate the crappy phone with the OS and say OS sucks.
  • ^ exactly. Leave the Windows platform alone if you produce cheap ass plastic fantastic crap like Samsung does.
  • Whatever, windows phone never needed Samsung anyway.
  • Would rather see Sony doing a WP.
  • I loved my Samsung focus, but after having a lumia 1020, I could not buy another Samsung device. That being said, it seems like Samsung really is trying everything it can do NOT to pay Microsoft their royalties and that's just shady.
  • Ms should not believe Samsung,s BS.
  • Na thank you keep your crappy Samsung phones to Android
  • Sounds like a "scratch my back and i'll pretend to scratch your back".  Samsung will make "last generation flagships" and not market them and nothing will change. Screw Samsung.  Make them pay every cent they owe.  And if they don't.  Take em to court.
  • When Samsung was on boards with WP they did a lousy job. Why would it be different this time? Broken promises and broken contracts is what they are good at.
  • Samsung, cya. I don't care. I don't want that plastic fantastic Samsung crap to run Windows anyway. The devices are ugly, bad designed and cheap ass pieces of crap imo. Leave Windows devices alone for all I care.
  • ​Sounds like a carrot on a stick that Samsung is dangling in front of Microsoft to give up on the unpaid 6 Billion Dollar debt that Samsung owes. If I were Microsoft, I would not relent! If they give in, Samsung will produce an uninspired mid-range to low-end phone they will fail to support and advertise, just to comply and appease Microsoft.
  • Have anyone of you considered the possibility that this could save Samsung money in licensing fees, as Google is making money hand over fist every time an OEM goes with Google Play over AOSP. Unless Microsoft changes their tune, which I'm sure they will once WP goes over 10%, maybe 20%, who knows, this is a win-win for everyone involved.
  • windows can do without. Samsung just needs to do what's needed legal wise. Who gives a fuck about them making phones when u still owe
  • Don't even need a Samsung shity windows phone they don't respect the platform i only need lumia and HTC phones and bay the way thank you HTC for that gorgeous M8
  • Personally we can do without HTC.
  • Personally I love ❤ my lumia 1520 more than my HTC m8 for windows.
  • I'll take a Samsung S6 in metal please. Hope it materializes.
  • The only good thing with Samsung is their PR department. I'm actually really impressed as the crappy phones in the Galaxy series sells so well.
  • What Windows Phone need. A team of mind controller that can fix their image and sell their product. If Windows Phone hardware and software are doing fine, it means they lack the part with skill to make consumer open their wallet.
  • I'd love to see a Sony device running Windows Phone 8.1/Windows 10.
  • Samsung Ativ i mother of all wp phones. Unfortunately i'm on L1520...
  • "a legal"
  • I want a new ativ
  • No need Samsung .
  • Samsungs' phones are boring. The design has been the same for years, and it's very uninspiring. The biggest niggle I have with them is that he bezel at the bottom is too narrow, and the button is too small. But some people love the phones. So the more OEMs the better.
  • Went through a Nokia 900, two 820s, and two 920s ending up with an ATIV S which was awesome. Got an ATIV SE Verizon which is an incredible phone but I forced 8.1 on it against what I'd read and made it unstable. It was incredibly fast, removable Micro SD and battery and the display was awesome. For my AT&T phone I have an HTC One M8 Windows phone that's a badda_s. The Nokia phones had battery issues on all of them except the 900 but other than that I liked them. Who cares if they're plastic. You should have a cover on any expensive phone, so in the end who gives a darn if it's not glass and metal. Haters always ignore the fact that Samsung phones have a removable back for extra battery and access to the Micro SD. Long rides on a bike without need to recharge is a plus.                    Craigus
  • Lucky!! If I can, Later this year I'm upgrading to that beauty IF Windows Phone 10  wasn't realeased. 
  • MS should just let XiaoMi make WP8 phones.
  • no one is stoping xiaomi to make wp phones 
  • and then they will build 1 phone, not even advertise it and stop making WPs. oh right... I believe these people again.
  • So they'll build one more Windows Phone model out of 40 each year.
  • I hope Microsoft doesn't settle this. Completely irrational from Samsung to not pay IP. If they win this, they will stop paying IPs from Google, because they have the Nexus, a direct competitor. Or maybe stop paying for LG & Phillips, because they also have TVs, as they are direct competitors. Maybe stop paying for universities and other scientist because they are direct competitors of Samsung R&D. All companies are paying IPs to others, direct competitors or not.  
  • What abour their Tizen?
  • If Nokia developed Glance, MixRadio and stay loyal to Windows Phone, why can't Samsung. I say Samsung pay half of those billions and make a decent flagship for Windows Phone.
  • This sounds awesome! Hopefully, Microsoft and Samsung can put the past behind them!! 
  • How about they fix the problem with my ATIV S that's be useless to me for over 2 months now!!
  • If Microsoft agrees,this should the conditions.1. All new Galaxy and Note lines will be released with Windows. 2. Galaxy and Note for Windows released worldwide across all carriers at the same time.3. More promotion for Windows variant.
  • So glad there isn't Touchwiz on their Windows phone
  • Sounds like a little blackmailing to me.
  • I would just tell Samsung that sure we will forgive everything you owe us on the following conditions: You put Windows on equal or better hardware than your Android/Tizen line. You give your Windows devices equal or better advertising time as your Android/Tizen devices. Make all of your apps available on Windows as well (though their apps tend to be terrible, this won't allow them to leave features out of Windows). Give the Windows line of phones a better name than ATIV (more on par with Galaxy). Make all other devices (watches, fitness trackers, etc.) Windows compatable. As a bonus you could say that they have to offer better incentives to sales people to push Windows devices (think commission). So if they do all of these things for X number of years than the debt is forgiven.  If they fail on any of them then the full amount is owed immediatly.  It seems like an easy fix to me. :)
  • I can get behind this mentality.
  • If only the powers that be at MS have the ability to think like that.
  • MS needs Samsung advertisement for WP.
  • No.... Hell to Samsung
  • MS needs to throw Samsung a bone. They are the only ones making a dent in apples sales and should get a little leverage. They love to fuck shit up on Android, MS should let them do something similar on Windows. Make some rules as to what they can and can't do (so customers don't get hurt) and then let them go nuts. Then drop the lawsuit if they are willing to release the Windows phones day and date with the Android phones and reveal them in the same presentation with the same marketing budget.
  • I only knew a month ago that Samsung also has windows phones.
  • Fuck Samsung!! All I'll buy from Samsung are their ssd's
  • Don't settle Microsoft.don't need Samsung.need Nokia back
  • Samsung was an avid supporter of Windows/Microsoft until 2008/2009 when they jumped in bed with Google. I loved my old Samsung Jack i-637 that I had before my HTC HD7. I guess nite that things with Google are going south they want to come crawling back.
  • 2015. The year of WP
  • I promised myself not to buy any Samsung phone.. If they make better than Lumia, then I would have to break my promise :(
  • Samsung wants them to write it off, they release a few low spec devices with no support and walk away like they did before. Samsung is heavily invested in android and now tizen, it isn't interested in windows phone whatsoever.
  • Microsoft are making more money on Samsung nor android phones than windows phone
  • Make Samsung pay what it owes. They're just going to release a crap phone than take another two years to release another.
  • Samsung sucking Androids pee
  • Samsung....just get the hell..throw your offer to your lagdroids
  • Microsoft needs to strike a deal with OnePlus, The OnePlus One is an amazing phone, would be great to see a similar one on WP. :3
  • So they can continue to half ass on windows phone again. I think Ms should get their money instead.
  • Samsung it's easy, pay what you owe and move on. You used something that was copywrited and did not pay for the rights to use it. ​ ​ ​ ​
  • MS working speed is very slow like snail
    See the other OS
  • Let me see if I understand... samsung want to stop paying royalties AND in exchange they are "compensating" microsoft by making money selling windows phone devices... HA! What a wonderful deal >_<
    F*ck you samsung! pay your damn bills and stop crying! Your designs are crap either way
  • I myself would love it if Samsung makes the leap to more lines of windows phone. Especially if they would take the hardware of their top end phones like the note and s series and make it work with WP. I loved my note 2 the hardware was great the software that ran it was absolutely horrible though
  • Shut up and pay, Sammie! We do not need your crappy supported phones!
  • Can't hold us ransom...
  • I had a Samsung note I will never own another Samsung phone again. Make them pay and don't let them get away with it. The more you let them have the more they will try to take.
  • Nokia's hardware quality is better than samsung and others
  • Depends on who you are. For me, without question Sammy's hardware is miles better. You only need look at a youtube video and see how well both a Samsung Ativ S and a Lumia 920 compare. One looks like they used components from the 50s, the other obviously makes their own and looks next gen. But that is besides the point. The point is the two Samsung WP I've owned are better, reliability wise, than the like 10 Nokias I've owned, ranging from Symbian era to 920. I think this 520 I currently own has been the most reliable Nokia I have ever owned and also the cheapest.
  • Please MS, DO NOT LET SAMSUNG PRODUCE ANY MORE WP PHONES! They are devaluing WP platform as a whole.
  • Unless Samsung come out making plastics kind or galaxy models that will be good. Try to make a better design
  • Not worth it. They wont drive it. 6 billion and future royalties are worth more.
  • No reason for MS to not stick to their guns. If Tizen doesn't provide the alternate to Android that Samsung wants then they'll need MS more than MS will need them. It's Samsungs game to lose honestly. Yeah, marketshare is important, but a new ATIV won't set the world on fire either. I'd rather see MS double-down on having HTC release variants day-and-date with the Android counterparts (among others). Oh, and a flagship or three. Lumia really should have one 5inch and one 6inch every year. Maybe a 5inch crazy camera variant for good measure.  
  • Sure let em make more WP... but pay what you owe.
  • Even if they settle this Samsung will only make one Phone. And then the crappy update politics. Naah even if the hardware is good I would never want a Samsung WP
  • nah samsung are traitors . afterwards ms needs to start another case against them for not paying or steeling pattents. ms has to give samsung some demands when doin this deal.  so that ms can be sure that samsung bring a good windows phone on good hardware and also that they support ms in devices like bands etc . maybe some other things also. cause if ms dont samsung wil screw them again and again.
  • Screw Samsung, they need to pay. Those are the rules of the game.
  • Samsung is good business company. Now it has lost its share in Android..now trying to capture windows! I don't think it cant come close to building like the Nokia
  • Everytime I see word adorable makes me sad. Just want a nice flagship one bloody phone, we have plenty of cheap and midrange models. Will wait until windows mobile 10 is out. Still on my 920 as daily and one plus one for work
  • Be cool. More windows phone = more users = better apps and support.
  • Wow. The balls on Samsung. Let's agree to pay and then negotiate. Who does this s***?
  • "One of them has to be an s6 and you have to release it by a specified date, and a all of this will be in writing so that if you don't deliver then we reserve the right to haul you right back into court." There you go Microsoft, I've prepared a reply for you. You're welcome.
  • Samsung's hardware isn't good even when compared to Lumia520... I wouldn't like a Samsung WP...
  • http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/001/384/Atrapitis.gif
  • If they make a great flagship for windows phone and actively support it then then Microsoft should do this
  • Microsoft doesn't need Samsung. What Android users like is Android and not Samsung.
  • Don't belive 'em Microsoft. Samsung couldn't care less about WP. This company could afford to throw out some phones the last couple of years, just to show effort. Well, it takes a lot more then just making the phone. (Yes I know Samsung was in on WP7, had the Omnia 7.)
  • Yeah, the cheapest unsupported units they can to get out of the law suit. They will kill the wool over on Microsoft to get out of paying them. There best thing Microsoft can do is put some assurance clauses in the agreement to ensure the said devices meet certain hardware quality standards and are supported after implementation.
  • If Samsung supports their phones to a better degree than they do now, I'll definitely consider one, heck, I like the ATIV's, but I also like solid upgrades. Heck, as long as the Preview is stable, maybe.
  • Ya this report is just bs to make everyone believe Samsung will produce more and entice Microsoft to pull out of the suit. Hell no. Sue their ass.
  • i think microsoft makes more money off android than samsungs shitty wp phones.  uninspiring, and ugly designs.  theyll iust slap the OS on ugly last gen hardware and calling it 'support'
  • To me, it looks like a cheap trick. A thin line away from blackmail... Microsoft should not go through Samsung route in my opinion. Let Samsung sell Android... We have lot more OEMs now than before. May be Samsung may later come to Windows Phone unconditionally...
  • Samsung Have to pay then start build Windows OS phone!
  • Lets expand!!!
  • Y'know what'd actually be worthwhile for Mircrosoft? What'd be worth them giving up 6 billion dollars in royalties? Galaxy S6 and Note S6 launch with Windows 10 Mobile... and they stay exclusively Windows 10 mobile until 2016.
  • i like your thinking. But as much of a scumbag as samsung is, they would release galaxy s6 with much better hardware sooner or later and found something to not promote their wp phones 
  • Why bother? Just start reading MM handsets that don't look and feel like Lumias. I live then, but the public obviously likes the cheaper, thinner, lighter mantra, to get with the program Microsoft!
  • Lol. Samsung would lose so much money in doing that, they might as well just pay the freaking royalties already.
  • Yeah, it probably wouldn't go well for Samsung. But it's about the only thing I can think of that would be worth waiving 6 billion dollars of fees.
  • It would be great, because today Microsoft is the only big company that makes Windows Phones. Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
  • I think this is a trap from Samesung, coz they will not pay fines if they settle with Microsoft. All they need to do is releasing a creepy Windows Phone Flagship which is at the same level of specs with Galaxy S5.
  • Smoke and mirrors. Sammy is losing the golden egg of its Android hegemony to Chinese handset makers and the finally reasonable sized iPhones. They're not going to make much money from Tizen either, so the idea that they would suddenly make billions on WinPhone and repay their debt to Microsoft, for a free OS, is laughable.
    Microsoft should spend the billions Sammy owes them on a full spectrum of Win 10 phones and join the chorus of companies that are pounding Sammies handset business.
  • +930
  • I know I'm repeating myself... But... Affordable handsets? ....I want handsets I can't afford! Lol... Handsets that make me go on a contract for 2 years to pay for it! Handsets with flux capacitors! A hover phone that cannot be dropped, a case that puts itself on my phone.
    Sorry a little off subject there.. but.. High end please MS... ;)
  • +1030
  • If I were MS, I'm not sure if I'd agree or not.  On the one hand it'd be great to have more Windows Phones, but Samsung don't seem to have an amazing track record up until now with producing any.  I'd be half tempted to assume they'd make one and that would be it.  Or they'd pump out nothing of interest if there was a minimum limit to which they'd have to meet. 
      On the other hand, if MS say no, I'm sure Samsung could just purposely undercut all windows phones if they so choose to and continue to use android leaving WP behind.  Failing that they'll make it drag on for ages.  I think I'd be tempted to let them off, but think up some rather interesting clauses to the agreement they'd have to stick to.  Maybe a minimum number of WP lines, with at least 3 dedicated WP phones designed to be on WP and not just a phone that's had it's OS switched, one low end, one middle of the road and one high end.  Possibly an agreement to how much marketing they'd have to do.   Or you know anything that could help push WP more.  
  • Windows Phone doesn't need Samsung. Samsung better pay their dues then move on, whether stay with Android or pursue their own OS Tizen. Blackmailing Microsoft to get away from their 6 billion dues is ridiculous. I hope Microsoft wont buy this. Windows Phone doesn't need Samsung.
  • A fully committed effort from Samsung (on the same scale as their commitment to Android) can only benefit the Windows Phone platform. Microsoft should not forgive the royalty payments due to reasons already discussed. But Microsoft and Samsung could structure a deal that gives Samsung the opportunity to earn that money back by setting milestones and sales targets. No one wants a repeat of Samsung's prior efforts with Windows Phone.
  • I like that idea. "Sell an average of 5 million windows phones a quarter for four quarters in a row and we forget about it."
  • But right now, even the very Microsoft treats Windows Phones as second class devices ( best office for IOS and android). And MS is a very rich company, so why they will accept this blackmail from Samsung?.
  • I'm not really sold on this idea that we even need Samsung. I just want to see more high quality Lumias.
  • No way... They owe too much $$$
  • If Samsung commits to a multi year program building and promoting phones as much as they do their galaxy series that is worth 6 mil easily
  • Sounds like extortion to me.  "We will make samsung WP if you settle our billion dollar debt".
  • Shamesung seems so desperate they are acting like a bunch of silly kids
  • This is great to know hopefully this means that we have another excellent oem for Microsoft and Samsung having the best phone displays will be able to bring super amoled display to the OS especially Windows10 ... Fingers crossed Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • No deal.
  • I keep on saying the Beast is about to be aweaken.
  • They need to sort their current phones out before they make new models... We are left out here in the dark with updates. I still don't have the Windows Phone 8.1 update.
  • The Note 4 hardware is some of the nicest around. I'd jump at that in a hearbeat if it had Windows 10 for phones on it.
  • So much name-calling. How easy a target Samsung is, hmm? Windows Central readers and commenters should and can do better. Yes, Samsung needs to pay what they owe. This is nothing new. They also make good phones. Instead of pointing, laughing, and/or scorning Samsung, they have more power than any other smartphone manufacturer to produce and promote Windows Phone handsets. They likely will not, but we all seem to forget that Windows Phone is still struggling. We need all the help we can get.
  • IMO, EVERY SINGLE COMPANY should work together, specially Samsung and Microsoft to put an END to CrApple(CRAP+APPLE=CrApple), PURE EVIL, Most OVERRATED, Garbage, Hyped-up, 4 years behind others, Constantly Copying others and then pretending it was all their own idea, and they are so original(NOOOT),....................,company once and for all. I love Samsung and Microsoft. Their focus should not be fighting among themselves, their focuse should be how to tell the world what a pieces of crap iJUNK/MacCrap really are and how they can produce 10000000000000000000000000000x better devices and products than ALL iJUNK and MacCrap combined. If it wasn't for Samsung, and Microsoft CrApple would NOT exist today. Biggest mistake MS made, was to bail CrApple out with millions of dollars, when they were in bankruptcy, and was ready to completely close their doors for good. So all these iSHEEP can thank MS and Samsung(Samsung makes the CPU and screen and several other parts), for every iJUNK crap they buy, so they can say,"""look i got one too, now I'm cool since i fallow whatever FAD is going on, it does not matter that i have no idea how to use it, as long as i have an iJUNK in my hand for ppl can see, that's all it matters, oh and Justin Bibber, and............... has one too""". Blood of those 18 Chinese slaves, that killed themselves making iJUNK phns is on every single device CrApple makes. Not only CrApple didn't give a crap, they made them work even harder and longer 14+ hrs a day 7 days a week for only .75 cents an hr. at Foxconn factories under their watchfull eyes (just watch BBC's "2014 apple broken promises", 1 hr long documentary). CrApple is one of them most EVIL company on earth.  
  • The hate is strong in this comments section. I guess no one realizes Samsung has been with WP from the start and they have some of the highest rated phones on the platform. They probably still would if we didn't have so many "fake reviews" by Nokia Loyalists. Before Nokia came aboard, they were the biggest supporters. They're the reason I'm on the platform and have moved to Microsoft's ecosystem in the first place. They also have the most OEM apps at the store (20+), probably even more than Nokia. At least in comparing in comparing the L520 to Ativ S they do. They also update them. All but one has had an update for 2014.
  • Time to make a heretical statement.  I hope Samsung and MS settle their differences.  If Samsung gets serious in divesting from Android, then WP offers a true platform for competition to MS Mobile and HTC. I love to have move than two maybe 3 options to choose from.  With a bit of effort Samsung could make a true flagship Windows Phone device.   At the end of the day... specs might be irrelevant, but they sell, and Samsung doesn't skimp on numbers.  More Snapdragaon, more laserpixels, more screenpixels, and please keep expandable storage.  More competition means more boundary pushing means better products. 
  • MSFT, LET SAMSUNG PAY THEIR DUES. mwa-mwaha-mwahahahahahaaaaa!
  • Microsoft can buy Samsung as they did with Nokia
  • Except they don't have the money to do so. Samsung is the 8th most valuable company in the World with a market cap of almost 200 billion dollars. Microsoft is not worth double that at 350 billion, despite being in 2nd place. Add to that the fact that Microsoft only has sales worth 83 billion dollars and Samsung has sales over 200 billion.   Not only wouldn't Microsoft be able to buy Samsung, they'd die in the process of trying.
  •   As part of the settlement, Microsoft should make Samsung release WP10 versions of the Galaxy S6 and Note on the same days as their Android counterparts on ALL carriers.
  • no way should Microsoft let Samsung off the hook.  look what happened the last time around...  they threw out some token phones and said that covered their requirements to avoid royalty payments.  Samsung makes a godly amount of money.  They can afford $7 million in interest that they accrued by their own hands because they refused to make payment that they owed.
  • Hmm all the MS shareholders at battle here, Btw you can't compare android to windows, they are two different ecosystems, clearly the better operating system has more customers, I've had a lumia 820 and it was crap, no basic feature as usb tethering and a whole list of other features like call recording n stuff, a high end android has no lag and samsung' s newest devices like the note 4, alpha feel premium. .. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Don't think reasonably. Some people here don't understand logic and reason. Living in the dark days of Android Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Bad for MS/lumia fans. They hate or fear Sam. But good for MS. New boss wants Sam. I think MS will sell lumia brand to focus on SW and give some source code to collaborate with hardware tech for OEMs. Self-oem is bad for MS itself. MS cannot make high end devices. Phones are not pc case that everyone can make without tech.   Other vendors will follow Sam if things happen. Yeah Sony and LG.
  • No microsoft should not let go. Afterall Samsung is going to make crappy phones and then abandon the users and again blackmail MS to let go the money for another generation of phones. Instead MS can use that hefty sum themselves to market WP
  • If they do that then SameSung will start pushing that exy...blah blah's processors whatever that manufacturer's name in windows phone.
  • Why don't Samsung stop making android phones.. If Microsoft ends legal battles
  • Microsoft s problem is they are dumb. Just try using their continuous text entry to write "microsofts" (plural) and the OS has no idea how to recognize or autocorrect it!
  • Dan it is hard to tap the edit icon on this app.
  • Samsung has already shown itself to be untrustworthy. Their Windows Phones had potential but no marketing and poor availability. Unless there's some way to enforce their committment on Windows Phones in the future, this announcement is just lip service. MS should make an example of Samsung and show the rest of the OEMs that nobody messes with Redmond.
  • Samsung needs to pay up.  They want to be except by telling Microsoft we will make Windows Phones for you, it may help you.  Microsoft is a company with billions, there isn't a threat they are going to fall apart anytime soon.  We know that Apple is leading in the Smart Phone arena, all due because it knows how to hype it's phones.  Samsung is second and as far as I know Microsoft is third, or it shares third place with someone else, whom that someone else is, I don't know, if it even does.  Apple will fall and when it does, guess who will rise to the top, you couldn't guess ? Windows Phone !
  • all these while Samsung have just dished windows phone without any long term commitment to the platform ? How different would it be if they release a new phone this time ?
    Windows Phone has always been a foster child for Samsung.
  • They'd have to put some terms in that agreement to ensure that Samsung puts in some effort and doesn't just release a Galaxy S 4 with Windows Phone then call it a day until the next lawsuit. I could be a good thing for MS if Samsung commits to being a participating OEM. It would be nice to see a company step up and be what Nokia was.
  • How much does it cost to make 100m windows phones? My guess is around $6m ;-)
  • Wondering why there are so much hatred against SAMSUNG... Isn't it good to have for more phone manufacture join the WP community rather than every year Lumia phone take on almost all the % of Windows Phone device.....wouldn't it be great if SAMSUNG release a flagship every year like they done with their galaxy S series
  • Any other manufacturer but SAMSUNG is fine. They have pathetic support for WP platform. If you own one, you would know. Good for you is you're using Lumia. Trust me, Lumias are miles better.
  • The reason Lumia dominates is the hardware. I think if you had the choice between a Lumia 1520, Samsung Galaxy note whatever number were on, and an iPhone six +, assuming hypothetically they are all running the same OS you just look at hardware and developer specific apps like here drive plus most people would go with a Lumia because it's hardware is just top!
  • Litigation closed, Samsung build one dead-end product just to show they "hold their end of the deal" and then focus on Android again without worrying about the litigation. Not trusting the sincerity in their suggestion. Microsoft should add more terms, such as a minimum specification and promise of Windows Phone marketshare. So they will actually try to sell instead of just make Windows Phone with leftover components to avoid paying.
  • If I were MS I'd keep the legal battle going. This offer sounds like Samsung sees the court battle going in MS favor, plus who needs more competition in the low end space on WP? Samsung phones have also been some of the worst WP I've used.
  • I'm not going to buy the story unless Samsung does present a brand new type of windows phone device.......
  • Samsung and other OEMs need to start putting their own Start screen backgrounds on WPs by default. The basic WP screen looks dated.
  • Been on WP for years and loved the ATIV S which is still my back up to my AT&T HTC One M8. Decided to play with the Verizon for a while and got an ATIV SE which is incredibly fast and even has a good camera, but I forced 8.1 on it against what I'd read and made it unstable. I don't get the bitching about the plastic backs. They're removable for access to the removable battery and access to the SD card. What good is the pretty alloy and glass back if you have to put a case on it anyway? I like WP and don't need pages of useless apps like I had when I went through my Apple phase of life. I have an Android phone on my Verizon account but I'm not crazy about it.                Craigus