Satya Nadella apologizes for his remarks about women asking for raises

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella has issued a formal apology for comments he made on Thursday centering on how women should ask for a raise, saying he answered a question about the subject "completely wrong."

Nadella made his remarks as part of a Q&A at the annual Grace Hopper Conference on Thursday in Phoenix, Arizona which centers on women in the computing industry. During the Q&A, Nadella was asked by Microsoft board member and Harvey Mudd College president Maria Klawe what advice he would give to women who might not be comfortable asking for a pay raise. Nadella stated those women should have faith that the system should give them the right raises as they go along in their job. He added that women who don't ask for a raise will get "good karma" from the company they work for in the future.

Needless to say, that remark didn't sit well with many people who took to Twitter to complain about Nadella's statement. He quickly posted a response on his own Twitter account, saying, "Was inarticulate re how women should ask for raise. Our industry must close gender pay gap so a raise is not needed because of a bias."

In the end, Microsoft's PR rep issued a longer and formal apology from Nadella, in the form of a company email sent to all of his employees, where he finally stated that women who feel that they deserve a raise should simply ask for one. Here is his full response:

All – Today I was interviewed on stage by Maria Klawe at the Grace Hopper Conference – I encourage you to watch the video. It was great to spend time with so many women passionate about technology. I was honored to be a part of it and I left the conference energized and inspired. Toward the end of the interview, Maria asked me what advice I would offer women who are not comfortable asking for pay raises. I answered that question completely wrong. Without a doubt I wholeheartedly support programs at Microsoft and in the industry that bring more women into technology and close the pay gap. I believe men and women should get equal pay for equal work. And when it comes to career advice on getting a raise when you think it's deserved, Maria's advice was the right advice. If you think you deserve a raise, you should just ask. I said I was looking forward to the Grace Hopper Conference to learn, and I certainly learned a valuable lesson. I look forward to speaking with you at our monthly Q&A next week and am happy to answer any question you have.

Do you believe Nadella's final apology was enough to close this issue over his remarks?

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  • I'm sure fans of other brands will hang this over him for a while. For myself, the apology was well worded; but its always hard to tell how genuine something is when its prepared/polished by a PR department rather than delivered from his own mouth via whichever medium.
  • However much it's polished, it's still his official apology. One simply can't ask for more, regardless of whether one thinks that it's genuine or not. Like you, I feel that the wording of the apology was quite satisfactory; he conceded her point and described how his own answer was inadequate, with a lesson learned on his part. We can do no more than take his words at face value, and keep an eye on the company policy in the future...
  • The fact that he made those initial statements, though, especially given the venue he was speaking at, is mind boggling to me. Like, what? How could he, after being asked that question, think, "I'll just tell these women to zip it and rely on karma instead. That'll go over well." The last thing Microsoft needs is bad press, and their CEO let them down. Very disappointing.
  • I read his comment as, "Women shouldn't have to ask for a raise as they should already be at the same level".  Am I the only one?
  • Exactly what I thought he meant, wasn't sure what the problem was
  • Feminazis don't want that, They want women to earn their raises with no effort, just for being women... to fight THE PATRIARCHY!!!
  • I hope that someday you meet reality.
  • feminist detected
  • Absolutely. I believe in equality for everyone.
  • The problem is people want equality of outcome indepedently of equality of treatment.   That's why you see feminists whining about the wage gap myth. I feel sorry for Satya for being such a beta that can't even hold its position. If these people were normal, they would tolerate his opinion. But no, that would be too much to ask.
  • So uninformed. The women "whining" about "equal pay for equal work" are underpaid compared to their peers. It is a direct comparison. They make less money than they should. Nevermind the discrimination they faced in climbing the ladder.
  • Gender Equalist Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
  • I agree with excalibur1814, alot of time these things are just miscommunication, it's how alot of unneccessary fight starts, when you say something meaning one thing and the guy hearing it interperets it in a different way that is completely opposite of what you meant to say crap starts happening, this is one of those cases where I feel people should just "let it go" (anyone want to sing it...)
  • Yes, I would like to know what he meant by his initial statements. It just doesn't make much sense.
  • Yeah, I agree with you. All I was saying, in effect, was that sometimes these things sound better or more genuine in a video statement or something like that, where we can see it coming from his mouth. That's not to say that the apology that he did give was necessarily disingenuous; I certainly don't think it was. It's just a matter of optics is all, I suppose.
  • It's a screaming pity that Amerricans are so isolated from the rest of the world that a comment about Karma would be misunderstood.  I suggest all you thin-skinned, chip on your shoulder types go to the other side of the world and learn how people other than Americans think and view the world. Go to India for instance, and stay long enough to assimilate into their society and culture even a little bit, and you would be shocked upon returning to the small mindedness and simplistic thinking of Americans.  What this man was saying was a very sensitive and completmentary idea about people striving to better themselves; i.e., that no one should do anything just for the money.  Karma is a very real thing to many eastern religions, and some simpletons here make fun of it or speak of it as if it's a coffee shop conversational term. That's much more disrespectful than anything he said, or you percieved he said.  Try to get a grip on reality. The US is by far the most unaware country I've found in all my travels. This silly and mindless story is also reported in the newspapers in India, and it makes me ashamed to my friends there.
  • Same.
  • Agreed. Though the karma comment was ill advised. Best way to get good karma in the press? Take longer to answer these sorts of questions. The official response is satisfactory. That is all it is. Unfortunately, given what a charged topic this is, he missed an important opportunity to paint msft as the forward thinking and inclusive company many know it to be. This will die down - sexism in the industry is rampant - but the company that brought us Cortana... This sits oddly.
  • I think his original comment was more like that women shouldn't ask it should be expected. For example men don't ask for more money than women but in more times than none they are given a higher salary. That is what I got from it.
  • Yup. You nailed it. But of courses media will be media, bitches will be bitches... I'm all for equal rights(opportunities), but everything else should be earned...rather than spoon fed. Feminism isn't about equality. Egalitarians are about equality. Feminism is man hate...similar to how there is reverse racism is the states against whites. This is coming from a minority who faces racism from various ethnic groups including whites. Nadellas original remarks are just too logical for society :)
  • I agree with you. I'm entirely sure that he did not mean his comments the way that they were interpreted by those who criticized him afterwards; but that's just one of the annoying things about public perception and being a public figure. If something can be interpreted negatively, particularily on such a charged topic, you can guarantee that it will be interpreted in that negative light regardless of what the speaker was trying to say. Like you seem to be eluding to, I'm sure this will serve as a lesson for him going forward.
  • A) He heads one of the world's largest (ergo, most evil) corporations.  B) Libs LOVE, LOVE, LOVE their Macs (now that Stevie J is dead, they have a diety they feel ok praying to) C) The media outcry on the gender gap in pay (minute though it may actually be) may, along with the other two above, keep this in the news cycle for a bit. Lucky Satya isn't some overweight white guy or Sandra Fluck would be hounding him with an MSNBC microphone and camera asking about whether MS pays for its female employees oral contraceptives.  Oh! Wait! MS...NBC. Will NBC bite the hand that feeds it?  Probably not - as it is all really about money.  
  • Take off the tinfoil hat, dad.
  • LOL my thoughts exactly.
  • I'm probably opening myself up to a one sided "conversation" with a closed minded person, but i have to ask...Why does large inherently mean evil in your head?
  • LOL. I don't believe that but, where I live, people are always railing about  large corporations as being necessarily evil (Coca Cola, WalMart, General Motors, General Dynamics, Eli Lilly, Monsanto...) and talking about how important it is to support the little guy. Then, they pick up their iPhones and text their besties... I just love the irony of it all...
  • I think that was sarcasm, he was speaking as though some in the US look at corporations as inherently evil.
  • idiot, get away from NOFOXNEWS
  • I am mmmdonuts and I support this message.
  • He had nothing to apologize for. He was 100% correct. The communist PC police just have to piss and moan as usual.
  • No, it'll take years for him to live this one down. There is some loon out there that will make it her(maybe his) job to keep bringing this up....i still see stories about the president's fake birth certificate.
  • Well, frankly I don't see what the fuss is about. His originally answer may not have been "do this and that and that because this and that" but he did give an answer and it wasn't misogynistic. Asking for raises is serious business and people are afraid in general for a reason. Had he said "go ask for it" and some one did and then get fired he still would have been under the gun. People need to stop reading into peoples words or words that aren't said.
  • Is satya nadella by any chance canadian? He only said that woman should trust the system and they'll get their raises. There's nothing wrong with that statement.
  • Imagine the same question was asked by a guy who wants equal pay as the next big boobed women who's banging the boss. Imagine he was told the same thing that you shouldn't be asking for raises, it should just be apparent to the boss that you need the raise and your 'good karma' will take care of you in the long run.....etc That would've been a total non-news... why this gender in-equality?  hey there libs. care to answer? I'm liberal leaning independent myself. but, I always call spade a spade... I'm all for equal pay for equal work. the key is equal work :-). Even in pro Tennis, the women fought to make the prize money same as men. but the men play 5 sets vs 3 sets for women and that too they hit sissy shots that even I could return and keep in play. where's the equality in work? and..... I can be pouring water on my body with a t-shirt on and no one will care to throw money at me. where's the equality there? Answer me libs...
  • Well said. As a female, I think this is a big deal out of nothing. Frankly, I don't care what percentage of the company is women, and I often question the way they compare pay, because I don't believe it is always apples to apples. The point of a company is to provide a product, not satisfy someone's pathetic PC agenda.
  • Thanks. I meant my comment as a parody with little bit of real substance in it. I agree with you that the comparison often is not apples to apples. I do want to give equal pay to minimum wage earners like the workers at wal-mart where if you leave it to the employer, they might just pay more for men 'coz they can lift heavier stuff, etc. But at a professional level, the pay and promotion should be purely based on merit, not gender, race, color or religion.. I have encountered some women developers in my software development career who are brilliant in their academic accomplishments but not really good at software development. i.e not to say there's no good women software developer. I'm sure there are. but enginerring profession typically doesn't suit women as much as say medicine or life sciences or literature. similarly, there are professions that don't suit men. men and women should complement each other. not try to replace each other. some crazy feminists or liberals would want to see Google or Microsoft have 50% of their work force as women. I think that's very impractical idea unless there's new generation of women born that loves coding and being nerdy....infused in their blood. 
  • No, it is not enough. He still didn't answer the question. "Just ask" isn't an asnwer, he should watch his own "karma."
  • He apologized. He admitted he was wrong and the "just ask" is the closest thing you are going to get as an answer. Obviously he is not the person to ask for advice when it comes to woman asking for raises but his views will change and a better answer can be given at a future date. No need to hang a man who has admitted fault.
    Maybe you should watch your karma...
  • Yeah. It's a non story. Plenty of tech companies in the states. It's a competitive field. Ask for a raise or if unhappy, move on. Qualifications speak for themselves. Or to quote Tom Hanks,
    "There's no crying in baseball!"
  • If you're in the US then the advice would probably be "call a lawyer" but for the rest of the world "just ask" would be sufficient. If they don't have any luck asking they can speak with the HR department (if there is one) or contact their Ombudsman for advice & legal entitlements. If they STILL don't get any luck they can either put up with a lower salary, or quit. Simple as that. No boss is required to give a pay rise unless it's well below the award wage. Quite often if you threaten to quit because of a lower salary you will end up with a payrise. No boss is required to have the same salary for people doing the same job, regardless of if they are men or women. I've worked at a place where 2 programmers were hired at the same time, with the same qualifications (both straight out of Uni), but one was paid $10,000 / year more because they bargained harder. Only the minimum wage is a basic entitlement, but even the US manages to screw that up with their ludicrous $3/hour and idiotic tipping society.
  • Insert foot in mouth. Chew hartily. Beg forgivness. Repeate as many times as needed.
  • The life of any public figure.
  • Now post an article on how men should ask for raises. Feminism gender bias, maybe? How about women should prove themselves and be strong assets of their respective teams, just as anyone else has to? Why should there be any difference in the reasons men or women get raises? Play your part and get rewarded for it.
  • +1
  • -1
  • It seems you put the -1 on his comment. I put +1 just for the lolz. :P
  • ... Men. The oppressed. ROTFLMAO
  • Why are comments being deleted??
  • When people post "seems faster' and off-topic comments, they get deleted. It's like magic (or site rules).
  • Magic?? LMAO!! It's you I suppose!! :P:P
  • :) Serious topics warrant serious comments/opnions.
  • Oops, I hit the "Report" icon by mistake on one of these posts. Guess I can't undo that then.
  • +1
  • Yes! Dan is the man!! :)
  • Women aren't oppressed either, Daniel.
  • imho, it really depends on where you are from (or at aleast which region you are in), in Canada (around me at least) man and woman seems about equal, in asia I see little princesses running about stepping all over man and expect to have better treatment then man otherwise it's oppression, then there is china where male child gets all the wealth and love of their grand parents while female childs are treated as assets by the grandparents   now, I'm not saying it's all like that, but it just seems to be the majority for those regions.... the asia remark is just because I can't quiet put my finger on a specific country as I've seen it in several...
  • Men rule the world. Women rule men. You're just a pawn broham
  • so true that i feel like crying... lol (whipped man here :( )
  • I don't think his point was that men are oppressed. His point was more that there shouldn't be any difference in advice on men vs women asking for raises. Asking for a raise is difficult for many people, male or female. At my company, we've had female management that's far more oppressive and controlling than any of the male managers. And I certainly felt less comfortable asking them for a raise than my current male manager.
  • That's all fine and dandy if that's all it took. Sadly, it isn't that simple.
  • That's great! No more idiots spamming posts!
  • That's just simply not the case in most industries. There is a gap, for no other reason than being female. Remove that gap, then your statement holds merit, but until the baseline is reset there just isn't place for it yet. I'm not a self titled feminist, but it's clear to me that women doing the same job, becoming strong assets, and playing by the rules, are not treated equally from the get go.
  • "it's clear to me that women doing the same job, becoming strong assets, and playing by the rules, are not treated equally from the get go."
  • Admiral Grace Hopper, USN, was an amazing speaker, an incredible pioneer in computing well ahead of her time, a great advocate of technology standardization.

    Well worth the time to check out posted videos of her lectures and presentations... Educational and entertaining.

    Did several guest appearances on the Late, Late Show with David Letterman.
  • So what? Market value is market value.
  • This also applies to men. It's not exclusive to women.
  • Not true at my company. We don't have a pay structure based on skill, per se. My company has job positions. When you get hired, they place you into a tier based on how much knowledge they feel you have. That is the only time your knowledge is directly assessed for pay. After that, there are strict rules about how to get to the next level. Since we are a software development company, one of our main metrics for moving up is getting Microsoft certifications, and taking X amount of internal classes and making sure your utilization is high enough for the past year. If you meet the criteria, then you move to the next level and get the appropriate preset wage, male or female.
  • I'm just curious, what position or department do you occupy in your company? Do you set the wages? Because I've never been privy to the wages of my co-workers. Just because it is a standard practice to underpay women doesn't mean your company particpates in the practise (and kudos to them if true). It is usually discovered after wage earnings are exposed that women are underpaid by comparison for the same job, position, and skill level. It's an unfortunate fact. Just recently at a local hospital near me, a female nurse reported the hospital to civil unions after she discovered taht male nurses despite being a very small minority wre being paid more for the same positions. Being able to ask for a raise, or wait for one, isn't really the root problem. It's kind of systemic.
  • They are quite transparent at my company. The reason I know that everyone is paid the same is because they have a strict pay structure.  They don't pay you what they think you are worth, you are paid X amount of money based on your job title and the city you work in. An Analyst I in Chattanooga TN makes 50k.  Every Analyst I in Chatanooga makes 50k, male or female.  However, in Nashville TN, an Analyst I may make 60K because of a higher cost of living in that city.  Once you get a raise to Analyst II, you get X amount more added on.   It is possible to get raises in between if you perform well, but definitely never higher than the next job title in the heirarchy.  I got a raise for 5k, putting me at 55K, after 1 year.  If Analyst II is 60K, I'll probably never get another raise because they aren't going to give me that kind of money unless I'm an Analyst II. That's just how it works at my company.  I don't know explicitely what my female coworkers are making for sure, but our policies dictate you get paid based on your job title, not what some arbitrary person thinks you should get paid and who randomly gives raises to pets or something. Furthermore, my particluar location is run by a female, so I doubt she is being impartial to the males.
  • Maybe I'm not exposed to it; I own a business and do my own recruiting. No matter who comes into my business, I give them a fair chance. I 100% completely understand that there IS a gap in corporate industry among genders, but I don't think that this aforementioned comment really had enough gender-bias to stir controversy. I think it was strewn way out of proportion.
  • Re: RPM5101... Absolutely right! Reverse discrimination is still discrimination! Take responsibility for actions, and stop the victim mentality by blaming others.
  • "Reverse discrimination" is a phrase that never stops to make me laugh. As a white male in the US, I have no idea what this means. It's like "powdered water".
  • Daniel, I understand. Believe me. I just don't think that what he said justifies the controversy it spread. It proves no injustice and does not reflect the behaviors of MSFT as a corporation.
  • I don't disagree with anything you said. I just don't like when people don't act like there is a serious and sometimes systemic problem for women.
  • Should I tell my national consultant, the woman that makes $1.2M per year, that there is a corporate strategy against her that makes her incapable of being successful? Even though I make $200K, as a white male, underneath her? And that every female that works for me has to work twice as hard to make the same profits that her male counterparts make? Or should I keep running my business under the same fair-opportunity program that it should be?
  • Way to take your N=1 case study and generalize it to the rest of society while ignoring the clear-as-day reality of women, by and large, not being treated equally. Well done.
  • I don't deny that they're may be bias some places, but that's true for gender, ethnicity, and even what college you went to. I don't think it's nearly as serious as the media likes to make it. As a female in a male-dominated industry, my work stands for itself.
  • Good to hear. And things will surely get better :) As more Millennials move to the top positions you will see less bias against women. We are more open than our parents generation overall. gay people are leading this trend and I know racism and gender inequality will follow after and will get better. I feel like we (millenials) just don't care really lol in a good way, like who cares? ur gay? ur gay then lol good for you. You'll see its only a matter of time :)
  • Daniel, are you inferring that women sometimes have systemic problems?
  • Every 28 days? :P
  • There isn't a problem. This has been researched and reviewed ad nauseum.
  • People used to use that fraise, reverse discrimination, in my industry (Culinary/Restaurant/Hospitality) semi-frequently in reference to a White American with the same skill set or better than an immigrant/minority person with the same or lesser skill set but that is willing to get paid less, so the employer hires the minority candidate instead. It doesn't really happen as much any more as it did ten plus years ago though.
  • Still think its a silly fraise though...
  • Guess you've never been turned down for a job because they decided to hire a less qualified applicant because she was black, huh?
  • Maybe because they thought *you* were the less qualified of the two. Just like Thom Yorke said, just cause you feel it, doesn't mean it's there.
  • Or more likely, they were trying to fill ethnic/gender percentages set by the Department of Labor.
  • sadly, that does happen from what I hear from time to time
  • In that case, you should learn more about this "reverse discrimination" subject. Ignorance is no excuse.
  • Because you have never see it happen. When you have been subjected to any type of discrimination it's another story altogether. Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • -1
  • A meritocratic society would be ideal but does not exist. I have a heavy corporate background and have seen sexism and racism and ageism and all other prejudices run rampant. This is a real problem and people do not get rewarded for the work they do or who they are. Asking for a raise because someone thinks they deserve it is not enough. MSFT gives regular appraisals - quarterly, monthly, yearly and per project milestone - one isn't going to get a pay rise at each juncture. That would lead to financial ruin. Something needs to be done but personally I do not know what. Nadalla missed an opportunity to show his stewardship of msft is a progressive and inclusive one. This is a personal pr blunder but then ceos have come back from worse. The thing is, will those feeling aggrieved, they - the employees of msft: How will they feel after hearing his multiple responses?
  • +100%
  • +1 There should be no gender bias either way,  Further, compensation decisions should be made at the individual level, not the group level - within a given rank of workers. You always want to reward top performance with more pay/benefits.
  • +1020
  • For me it was fairly clear his intent was to say that women should not have to ask for a raise because they are women (and are paid less than their male counterparts). It's a booboo for sure, but really ppl.. move on please..
  • That's how I felt the first time I read and watched the statement as well. I'm glad he reaffirmed his position though.
  • I agree with this too. This is more about how he said it rather than his intent. It's lame, but we live in a very 'gotcha' world these days.
  • True
  • "(You) have no idea what this means" *contradicts* "we live in a 'gotcha' world these days."
    In this case, reverse discrimination means that group A (men) must provide an answer that's acceptable to group B (woman). Otherwise women will blame, protest, act against men for: insensitivity; oppression, discriminating, etc. and demand an apology or other sanction.
    If a woman made the same statement, women in general would *not* react the same way. Hence in this case, men are discriminated against and censored; a.k.a. 'gotcha'.
    The fact that it "(made) you laugh", means your not experienced/wise/old enough to recognize that you're being discriminated against. (By the way, this an example of age discrimination.)
  • You are conveniently ignoring a historic record of bias against women. I support equal opportunity based of ability and skill, regardless of gender or any other bias. When people, male or women say or do things that reinforce the traditional gender norms biases, they should be called out on it. More so if they are in a position of power and influence. His original comments could be misconstrued to indicate that women should just keep quiet and take what they get, reinforcing the gender norm bias that women should be subservient. Considering he was speaking at a conference about women in the tech industry, it is absolutely reasonable for some to question his response and maybe he should have been more careful about the way he constructed his original response. He responded to this to clarity his message. Apparently, that was not want he intended. No issue here.
  • Bullshit. You and the rest only want to look at pay statistics. Let's look deeper into the stats: Men are more likely to work more, women are more likely to take off early. Men don't take maternity leave, women are more likely to not only take maternity leave but also exit the workforce entirely for a few years. When they do come back, should they return making the same money as men their age who never left? Training is more likely to be wasted as well.
  • Giving a formal apology needs humbleness... I salute for his humbleness..
  • "We live in a very 'gotcha' world these days."
    Because you support it rather than ridicule it.
  • +1020
  • Agreed - he got his words wrong and has tried to clear it up. Hope his staff are happy with that, but only his company's policies and actions will indicate the veracity of his intent, showing how progressive and inclusive his stewardship is. He is an ostensible foreigner, running one of the largest brands in the world so his words and actions do matter, in terms of perception in msft et al. His very presence at the top is an indicator of how progressive msft is, how meritocratic. His words, in future, should hammer that home. MSFT is the home of Cortana after all.
  • I'm not so sure. I didn't watch the original Q&A, but based on the summation in this article, I don't necessarily see his statement as applying differently for women vs. men. It seems that he was just trying to convey that hard work should ideally be rewarded eventually anyway, whether or not you ask for it. At least that's my interpretation. Despite the formal apology, I don't see this being sexist, biased, or a gender issue in any way.
  • Thank you! I agree. I guess they latched on to the "karma" word for some reason, but it seems like all he was saying is that we need to close the gender gap in the future so that it isn't an issue to begin with. Nothing offensive to anyone about that comment. If he was misinterpreted that doesn't make him wrong originally.
  • That's why I don't want to be famous. Too many expectations from the unexpected. I rather live free than be a slave to the desire of others.
  • Don't you won't be famous hehe
  • Perfect example of bad karma. Ihoylhoy, you wanted to be funny and completely botched your comment. LMAO
  • Surely he knew the risks, attending such a forum!
  • I think he meant it in a way of let your work speak for you. If your work shows you deserve a raise, you might get it. I think that what he meant by karma. That being said he did answer the question wrong and probably angered some people. The pay gap is an issue and in some situations your work efficacy won't do it for you. In that situation if you feel you deserve a raise then ask for it, but make sure you have the hard work to back up your proposal. This should go for all workers. gender, race bias aside the fact.
  • Couldn't agree more, just unfortunate wording (and it wasn't even that bad of word choice).
  • I think the fact that he technically didn't answer the question made it worse. Like he was trying to avoid answering it
  • Seemed he was being a little coy and tried to make light of the feelings someone would have. He blew it and was taken to task. Let's hope he follows up with engaging with his employees who may have been concerned and then with actions. I like him and think he is crazy smart, but he really stuck his foot in it trying to be cute.
  • Yep...he should haven known better!
  • I can't be mad at Nadella, the guy is just too humble.
  • He really does come across as likeable and affable. Shame he has to be put on the spot like this.
  • He seems to be genuine, sincere, and with forthright integrity.
    Sadly, discrimination happens to a lot of good people.
  • No Dan. He stepped into a lions den. He must have known he would get this kind of question.
    I don't believe he has wrong views, but the standard politician response would be that everyone should feel ok about speaking to their boss about their pay, regardless of gender or race.
    He seems to be a cool dude, but he needs some more PR coaching. Attending these kind of events comes with the job.
  • Women certainly should be encouraged to take employment in the world of technology and should be paid equally for their talents But looking at the posts here it seems that most posters are male, and perhaps this shows that females have little interest in IT. Have you any ideas how many female users you have using this site?
  • I am a frequently visitor here... (^_^)
  • You're kidding me right? "Shame he has to be put on the spot like this" ?   Nobody told him to say those sexist comments.
  • It either should be equal or just paid right for the work you do.
  • I guess he meant don't ask for a raise...just work for it...if you're work makes you deserving... You'll get a raise..
  • Yes but the whole point of the question is for if women are in a work place where they aren't labeled as deserving because of your gender. I completely agree with you that he meant work for it. I've noticed that the people who are asking for a raise in most cases don't really deserve one. The people who just come and do there job are the ones who deserve one.(this is what I've notice about people in my work experience) I myself like that I have a place that is willing to pay me for my work. Do I ask for a raise? Nope, just do my job. Will I oppose to a raise? Hell no, I'd love that. Either why I'm there to do my job. My work speaks for me. I've only had small jobs though as I am still in college, I'm guessing situations change once your job becomes a career.
  • The main thing is that he said sorry even though he didn't mean to say anything wrong!! It shows that he's not having any ego like other big celebs or richies!!
  • I understood what satya nadella was trying to say... He said:- "women who don't ask for a raise will get "good karma" from the company they work for in the future." --- There is nothing negative in his statement, i am woman and i smiled. The meaning of his statement as i have understood:- He meant to say that "not asking pay raise" is less aggressive, which helps employees to withstand longer in a company learning more and gain more experience, then finally u will gradually get rewarded. It also means that ask for pay raise when u work like hell and contribute while u feel that u truly deserve that u really need to get pay raise. By the way, pay raise is not only a problem for women, but also for men. Think a man who is the only working person in the family having a housewife and 5 children. Both men and women have problems. Don't put that one small statement into a big drama issue... lol.. Yeah i wanna enter into a product based company, i am a woman, so what? Who cares? All it matters is to recruit best candidate and it doesn't matter whether it is a male or a female. Grow up lol
  • Bang on target!
  • Thanks man. I always take stuffs in a positive way especially the words of great people. I learnt it from my dad. (^_^)
  • Extremely well said! Your Dad would be proud!
  • Asking an apology even though you are not wrong shows how humble he is.
  • Grow up? Who are you talking to? Have you ever been groped or touched inappropriately by a co-worker or supervisor? Did you ever had to take on double the workload and get half the pay, to cover for a male co-worker who is out playing golf with the boss? Have you been called a b*tch by friends of a "depressed rejected" co-worker because you say no to his invitation to go out for a "friendly" dinner? Did your suggestions ever get outright rejected, only for a plagiarized version from a male co-worker is accepted and he is praised for it? Did you ever come to know a case where a man is hired over a woman who has far better experience because she is deemed to become a "distraction" among the other entirely male co-workers? I can go on for hours with this. If you haven't faced any of these then I sincerely feel good for you because many of these women who attended this conference has and still experienced these things daily. They are not there to fight only for themselves but to help and support other women so that every woman including their friends, nieces and daughters would not have to face such misogyny and abuse , be treated equally as their male counterparts and to feel safe at their workplace. If anyone is not willing to help other women that is fine, but please do not use your voice to diminish ours because you had better luck in life. So please stop derailing our conversation by including "what about the men"? This is not about men, this is a conference about women for women. All feminists are welcome, misogynists are not. What Nadella and other men in the panel said are nothing women have not heard many times before; we must work harder, twice as hard as our male co-worker (yup that is helpful, most women are already doing that), we must speak up (yup women have done that who were then promptly derided as being confrontational, too abrasive and too LOUD), we must not ask for raise since our good work will be noticed (yup your good work submitted by your male supervisor, who you know the one that takes the boss to 'good spots' around town, gets his pay raised and promoted and you get a good pat on your back, lower back, uncomfortably lower than usual). Thank you panel of men, that was very helpful. So pardon if some women are a bit tiffed about his comment. Now women get to listen to people mainsplaining on his behalf too?! Great. But who is listening to the women? Yea nobody. So please tell me and the rest of us, who should grow up again?
  • Thank you for saying this!
  • @Bee:: I am sorry to hear it! As a woman, i would like to tell you that this happens everywhere. If a man tries to inappropriately with me like what you have said, then i would have just pushed him away. If he again take a violent move like a rapist, then i just kick him over his weak point. By seeing such activities from men, we shouldn't get down, but we should stand up and go ahead. And if a guy calls a good woman as bitch, then that shows how his family has brought him up. We should never feel or care for such cheap men and we should never ever get pushed down for such activities. I had some past, but i took it as lessons in terms of painful experience and move forward because i can't give up my dream just because of some cheap minded men. And those women who appear as distraction, they don't last long. I supported men in the aspect that they also have problems equal to women, but they don't open up so easily, that is also one of the top reason why men dominate because they don't prefer to share their private problems. I meant it in that way. Finally, i said "grow up" in a fun way to explain that this is a small issue and Why make it so big issue? I am sorry if i hurted you in any ways. Have a great weekend madam! (^_^)
  • * Bangs head against desk * This is not some random teenage boy you just met. This is a grown man. A smart man. A smart manipulative conniving individual. One who may be much older than you, has been in the industry longer than you, an employee valued by the company more than you, may have more friends in the company than you, more likable than you, hold a higher position than you and may even be your superior. You have already lost the moment he picked you as a target. So what if you managed to push him away and kicked him in the 'sweet point' should he managed to get you alone in a private place at work today and then tried to sexually abuse you. Will it all go away and things magically go back to normal the next day? NO. So what would you do tomorrow? Don't come to work? He will, he'll be there everyday waiting for you to come back. Waiting to taunt you, making unsavory gestures as you walk past. Making your life miserable. Quit your job? That maybe what he has wanted to do all along; get you to quit. He won and upon his success, he'll do it again to the next woman who rejects him or speak over him. Report to the police? Where's the evidence? It's your word against his. He could have already told some close colleagues that you both were secretly dating and don't want anyone else to know. He could say he broke it off with you because A) you were too possessive B) too abusive to him C) made out with someone else (take your pick). Now you're just angry and wanted revenge. His friends at the company would vouch for his good character. Report to the CEO? Why would he believe you? Even if he does really know how bad a character the guy really is, he'll just give him a slap on the hands behind the scenes and told him not to do it again. He won't fire a guy that to him is more valuable than you. You're just told it's all over and it won't happen again and you should just continue whatever you were doing. Alternatively he may provide you with a choice to relocate to another branch office if you "can't just let it go" (because clearly you are the one having the problem here). Or you should just quit and find a job where you and others can "relate better with one another". You could "man-up" and stay of course. You just need to be able to ignore his never-ending taunting from the sidelines. Meanwhile co-workers giving you the look, making jokes of you, whispering behind your back and telling others how you were a b*tch to falsely accuse a nice guy. You may even overhear someone calling out "go kill yourself b*tch" once in a while. He of course will continue to play the victim, telling them to not harass you as he has already forgiven you. But the taunting and harassment continues, until you quit or just "kill yourself" as suggested by some of your fellow peers. This is real life you see, not some fantasy happy hunky dory world. Something that you cannot paint a fun little pretty picture over and make all the bad things go away. Great for you if you can easily get yourself up from this and quit, cause maybe you have financial backing from others, and then continue your dreams elsewhere. Sorry but not all women have the same privileges, some could not afford to quit nor be guaranteed to be able find a new job so easily if they do. Such an experience, especially if this is not the first time they were abused, could break some women and cause them to fall into a spiral of despair than may lead to suicide. Sorry but I don't share your notion that anything regarding women and work is a small issue. Nor do I share your belief that men problems is anywhere near equitable to women problems. You don't have to apologize to me. You are not hurting me but you have belittled so many other women by posting "I am woman. I have no problems. Men have problems too." message in order to shadow the voices of women in need of assistance and that is what I have a very big issue with you about. Since I believe that you are a young adult, I can give you the benefit of naivety that you are unintentional in this respect. However if you can find time out from helping out men with their problems to post such messages, maybe you should have use it better to give support to at least one women or two instead. If you or anyone cares (I hope so, even though I highly doubt it) lookup Julie Ann Horvath's story on how she was bullied out of an organization. She is one of the few brave women who dared to speak out among the many other women that keep silent in fear of a backlash of harassment and death threats. Also please feel free to talk about feminism with me (I mean real feminism, not the men-hating conspiracy group of women that is out to get rid of all men feminism that misogynists are telling you about). Even though some feminist will tell you to FO as it's not their duty to educate you about it, I don't mind discussing it. First thing to learn is: fair doesn't mean equal.
  • Before answering your questions, i would like to kindly ask you:- Are you angry on me? By the way, i am 23 and you were saying random teenage guy. I am not stupid. Men are smart and manipulative, so what? Why will he get me alone after i kick over his sweet point? First, he will be in hospital. He can't force me because i will not permit him. After that sick incident, i will not go near him and I will ask the superiors to change me to another team or something, because senior men will not get fired easily or maybe kicked off... And i am scared to go back to work.. Why would i be scared? I am not scared. And why will that make me miserable? I made him miserable for trying to take a shot. Why will i quit job? Why should i call police? That guy is just a co-worker or senior who behaved inappropriately and you kicked him off without giving permission to touch him. He will silently try next women and that's called bad men. lol. Coming to taunting and making jokes, let me share one of my own story:- I have a different way of walking, but i am normal and i have a weird haircut. And do you how many men and women laugh at me? Sometimes, they scream after they see me. Also, women (same gender) refuse to sit near me in college. Sometimes, i bunk. But, i still go to college because i need to complete my degree. Just because some people laugh and call u some bad words, we should not quit or get pushed down because of their stupid or non-sense behaviour. I have also seen some idiotic guys calling good girls as bitches or kill yourself, they say because u did not give them a chance to fool you or because you are smarter than them and so, they do these ways to push you down. By the way, i am not a naive. I never had any intention of supporting bad men, but i also that they have some problems too. Afterall, we will be later on working in an organization where there will be men too. We must adapt and work in a team. I support all genders, because nobody is perfect. If we come across someone who is not worth our time, then just ignore. Bye.    
  • We are discussing real life problems that many women around the entire world face at their workplace and every post you make is only about you, you and still you. Because you have no problems doesn't mean that others don't. Because you are financially stable and can quit your job anytime doesn't mean every woman can. Because you said you are capable to putting a grown man that attacks you into a hospital, that's hardly realistic to most women in the world otherwise we'll be talking more about misandry than misogyny. I really hope that you'll never ever meet a person like Weev in your life. If you don't have any problems, then shut up and listen to others that do. Only by listening to other women who have had these bad experiences do we learn about them. Only by discussions with these women and others can we ascertain what we need to change to resolve these problems from occurring again. Then we need to share their experiences and the changes that needs to happen with others so that everyone understands what really goes on and hopefully they can assist to make those changes occur. Women can't do it by themselves, we need the help of men. When men are starting to realize "hey there is actually a problem here", that's wonderful. And then here you come in, a woman no less, and tell everyone "I am woman, I have no problems. Everything is fine. Men also have same problems as women. Small issue. Why complain. Grow up." That is the worst message to send. You have just slapped all the working women of the world. You have nothing to share with your posts except yourself and men with problems. No women organization would seek advice from you because anything you think or say is hypothetical because you haven't really faced even a tinge of the amount of sexism and abuse that other women have had at their workplace. Angry at you? Hardly. Pissed with how you put yourself out in front and disclaim other peoples' concerns when you yourself are oblivious to what goes around in the world? Y. E. S
  • @Bee:- Read those four paragraphs again what you have written. Look how aggressive how you behaved here. Who are you to tell me to shut up? I was not praising myself, but i was giving an example. Look how you are restricting me and trying to push me inside the 4 walls. Listen? Madam! I patiently read your every line and took my time to type it here. Not all women are like you. Not all working women are hyper-sensitive. Why will all working women be angry on me? What is your problem madam? I wasn't aggressive ever since the first comment posted here. Yeah! I gave fun words and i "already said" *sorry* in the previous comments if anything hurted you. Being aggressive will never solve anything. I kindly suggest you not to reply me here again. I have my own equal rights to give my own views because i have my free will. If you wanna argue with me, then there are other important things like geeky talks.
  • People have their views and you tell them to grow up. When your views get criticised, its not okay. When you derail and diminish other women's voices, it's not a big issue. When I speak out, I'm being aggressive to you. Again it's you, you and you. My point precisely! I'm not against you. I'm against your views. You're not hurting me at all because if you still don't get it yet, this is not about me or you. It's about the women who had been mistreated in the past and those that will be mistreated in the future. I'm just lending them my voice where I can see very little of. I'm just providing a counter argument to your views and replies which I consider as non-factual, naive, self-centered and ignorant. Do you think that I seriously wish to "argue" with you? If anything I was hoping that you yourself can recognize your own fallacies but looks like I'm just talking to a brick wall. If anyone has bordered into personal attack, its you. Hyper-sensitive? Really? A game developer speaking up against harassment today got doxxed, her life has been threatened and she now has to leave her own home. I'll leave the link but TRIGGER WARNING though. Maybe you should tweet her to be not so hyper-sensitive. It's clearly less problematic than geeky talk.    
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  • When will he apologize for shunning and seemingly being ashamed of windows phone? When will he apologize for not pushing instagram to move past beta stage? When will he apologize to that Brazilian guy who daily remind developers to release their apps to Brazil store? Wheeeeen?!
  • STFU.
  • Don't be rude.
  • What the hell are you talking about? How is he "ashamed" of Windows Phone?
  • Of course woman would overreact about such a small thing. There was barely anything wrong with what he said.
  • it maybe coz women get more allowances then a man at work.
  • Mountain out of a molehill IMO
  • Another MS fail. Seriously these clowns are a backwards bunch.
    Good Karma???? What a loser.
  • I can't believe he felt the need to apologise. Yes it can be taken wrongly and could have been worded better. But this was a question he was answering on the spot without preparation, mistakes are always going to happen.
    I feel sorry for a lot of people in the public eye for how careful they have to be with their words. Somebody somewhere will ALWAYS take exception.
    And if it involves race,sex etc the backlash is terrible.
    It's the people that make these kind of remarks on purpose and often that should face the criticism.
  • Absolutely spot on! They just instigate as an attempt of control or set people against one another. Well said.
  • I saw this earlier on another news site and while I believe he was saying what he said with good intentions, I couldn't quite figure out how he really expected for "just don't ask" to make sense. Presumably, women ought to feel the need to ask (they are asking about asking after all) because they must think a natural course of action does not produce what they feel they deserve, especially if a different group of people does reap some natural benefit that has led to higher pay. If he tried to convey that he is so against gender-related gaps in pay, that he would never let a woman go underpaid if she deserves it, I feel like it was just a wording blunder that did not account for the clear disparity between his presumed beliefs and what is observed elsewhere.
  • I feel his words conveyed exactly what you said, people were just reading into it because it is a touchy subject for some and they will analyze everything until they find a reason to be upset
  • What we need is true equality, not feminism or masculism or transgenderism. As for what he said, I agree with it, just do your work & let it speak for itself.
    In case you feel you are being underpaid, then just go ask for it, but based only on your performance not your assets.
  • The new CEO is a fucking idiot.
  • What he said speaks volumes on how assertive he thinks women should be. Women working at MS must be super motivated after hearing this BS.   Karma going to kick some serious ass now eh Nadella  
  • the head of msft most important entertaintment francise(halo) is a wowan, the cfo, the head of windows phone devices, windows applications etc, but msft hates women.
  • Why?
  • And hoe do you reach to that conclusion ??
  • Complicated issue... Surprised Nadella spoke so poorly, I don't think he meant how it came across, but I'm very surprised someone so intelligent would say something as (to quote him) "inarticulate" as what was said. This was not a good thing for nadella or Microsoft today, the last thing they need is another reason to be considered corporate monsters.
  • Disappointed with Nadella. How could he get something so wrong? This is a PR disaster both externally and internally. His original comments sound so old-fashioned and un-aggressive. If he doesn't expect his own staff (female or male) to ask for a pay rise then how will his engineers become competitive against their rivals. By trying to pour water on the subject, he's now put Microsoft in a direct position to actively encourage staff to ask for a pay increase. A really backward response from a supposedly forward thinking CEO. He should refrain from public speaking Q&As until he has prepared more in future.
  • This is a case of when something you say sounded so much better in your head. What you're supposed to do when asked a 'gotcha' is parrot the applicable/accepted rhetoric attached to the topic. It really helps when the rhetoric you use actually reflects your opinion on the matter, but regardless that is what is expected of you as a CEO or as any other person representing a corporate entity..
  • Goes to show, you gotta be careful What you say and how you say it in this stupid world. There's always someone who'll be offended regardless how sincere we are.
    Hell , I'm offended now! Not sure why.
  • He should give out a Lumia 630 to each reader of WPCENTRAL (or is it WindowsUnited?) to put the case to rest.
  • So you want to eat complete revenue of Microsoft for Q3
  • gosh, how did he get it wrong!!well now finally amendment made..
  • Am I the only one who sees nothing wrong with what he said. His advice holds true no matter the gender. Do good work and get an appropriate raise. That's basically what he said. How is that wrong?
    I assume he means that no one should really ask for a raise. If they deserve it, the Microsoft will provide.
  • Because the best engineers and most aggressively skilled among their peers require the highest pay no matter if they are male or female. Microsoft need scrappy engineers who will push the competition to the limit. Microsoft doesn't want "good" work from its Mobile team for example. It needs "excellent" superstars who can get the company competing with Android/iOS. Those staff know their value and should ask for the best pay possible. Otherwise they may settle for "good" which could turn to mediocre like Microsoft's old phone business.
  • Wow, and yet another example of words being turned around by a poor choice of wording.
    But your reply basically agrees with what I said, if you excel in your field you will be the better paid individual, the more you excel the more you make, thus making it a competitive market...or did i misunderstand you?
    And this is of course assuming that Microsoft sees the excellence in its engineers enough to be sure to reward them with higher pay, which I think Satya implied.
  • In theory there should be a direct correlation to good work and good pay, but in practice that's not case, hence the discussion. Counterbalances that might seem artificial and arbitrary are required to create real parity.
  • I'm actually surprised that so many people and sites are running with this as him saying something negative, especially considering how involved he is with the Women In Tech program at Microsoft. Also wasn't he at a conference encouraging women to get into tech? Though I realize that the encouragement of entering a field and asking for a raise are mutually exclusive, my point is this: For someone who is seemingly such a huge supporter of women in tech, what was said was not heard as intended. What I got from it the FIRST time was that women should not have to ASK for a raise to be where their male counterparts are financially. This being something I've dealt with in the past, I completely agree.
    But, sites and trolls are going to run with the negative connotation because Microsoft, right? *eye roll*
  • We live in an insane PC culture where one wrong slip of the tongue means destruction.
  • People are far too sensitive about this kind of stuff right now, to the point where it's downright frustrating. I read the initial quote quite clearly as if Satya was supporting equality in the workplace then went on with my day. It seems these days any comment about gender equality subjects can be taken completely the wrong way, even clearly positive ones. Some people really do pick the wrong battles.
  • I see the problem less about Gender but more a problem about lack of aggressiveness he expects of his staff. This is a worry because if he doesn't expect his staff to prove their worth and speak out actively then it's unlikely Microsoft will ever have teams of superstar engineers that they need to compete. If I was a junior Microsoft engineer on say $30k and heard him say "sit and wait" for a possible pay rise then I may just check out Google/Facebook/Apple's $40-$60k vacancies. Satya should be encouraging active and engaging careers not suppressing them as his original comment. That's why I'm disappointed in him. It's a very old fashioned view not where Microsoft need to be heading.
  • But, he was at a women's conference encouraging more women to get into tech. I think that too much focus is being put on the "asking for a raise" portion and not enough attention is being paid to the fact that women shouldn't HAVE to ask for a raise, particularly not one that would put them at what their male counterpart would make.
  • @Wplee I totally agree with you and am not sure because he was raised in India, that's why he thinks that way. In Asia in general, corporations take a paternalistic view of their employees...that's not the way it works in the West. Nadella has worked in the West long enough to have learned and know better...
  • Someone help me understand what he said wrong. Was it the "karma" part or the whole thing that women should ask for pay raises? If we are treating women equal to men then there should be no reason for asking a pay raise. The pay should be set for both men and women. Also that means that women should also not be afraid to voice their concerns such as asking for pay raise.
  • He's the CEO of one of the biggest technology companies in the world. Instead of a forward thinking positive answer (such as be active and seek out a rise with evidence of worth) he instead told them to keep quiet and hope for the best with Karma. It was a very old fashioned reply. An outdated uncompetitive view, when Microsoft should be the opposite.
  • @maxije: he said good karma, which means good deeds. It's not negative. (^_^) Check that whole line again.
  • He said it would be a good deed if they just shut up. How's that positive? Do you know what positive means?
  • @NightWatch71:- Positive means taking things in a casual way. I know the meaning of positive. (^_^) Be polite madam.
  • You read the line again. He admits he was "wrong" and gave a full apology. You don't run a successful business on "Karma". You can't use Karma as a currency to buy food or satisfy investors. It's not even a real or proven entity. It's old fashioned mumbo jumbo.
  • Hey people! Can you help me with this? And... About the Nadella's declaration, I think that the words are misunderstood, but every time you want to talk about male/female equality, you need to measure every millimeter. We're so advanced in this problem, and companies like Microsoft are so good compare to others, they go to the right direction.
  • Moving on.....
  • Do you think the furor in our PC-culture will lead to Nadella's firing? I believe we live in an insane culture and all of Nadella's great work in reorganizing MS will be ignored.
  • Well, that'll spell the end for Satya... He answered as he felt: Raises are merit, not gender based. If you want to make more money, do great work and be collegial. All the credible surveys show the pay gap to be very narrow. It should be non-existent, but it is actually just a very few percentage points, not what the media would lead you to believe.
  • Cortana will get a raise when you RELEASE HER ON T-MOBILE USA.
  • +1,000% I'm very pissed at TMo- US about this!!!
  • The only response should be "ask for it". No company is just going to up and give you a raise unless contractually obliged to, they want to save money. That being said, it's also about asking at the right time, you need evidence to back up why you should get a raise not just say to the bosses "pay me more". This applies exactly the same for both genders. Which reminds me I should ask for a raise myself. To be honest the question itself was incredibly stupid and should never have only targeted women in the first place, the person asking initiated the sexism first.
  • Why wouldn't a question at a conference for women in computing target women? Again, it's not about getting a raise specifically because of being a woman. It's about the fact that women get paid 78 cents on average for every dollar their male counterparts make and that's a huge problem. The asking for a raise thing is more so saying that women shouldn't have to ask for a raise to get equal pay. We should just get equal pay.
  • Ok, see that doesn't apply here, so I guess that's why I'm confused. Also I reread the post and it's about being comfortable asking, not just purely asking for a raise, so that's where I got my writes crossed, my initial paragraph still stands though.
  • How is this 78cents on the dollar calculated. Women take more time off than men. I used to put in 84 hour weeks so my wife didn't have to work long hours. The women I worked with as almost always turned down overtime
    took all holidays. (I worked many holidays.i am curious how that number is calculated being that on a 40 hr week male and female pay is equal everyplace I have worked.
  • Wrong. Spoke with many women including my GF, Mother, Sister and hard working wifes of my Brothers. I dont know where the hell you got that 78 cent number from but they told me its more like 93 cents on average for every dollar a man gets. Also most of them get the same amount as their male counterparts -> union wages. Please dont spread misinformation. ~10 ct less is still shit. The pay gap needs to close. But it is less tragic as some people paint it.
  • Bogus stat. Women get equal pay for equal work. Women are not fire-fighters, coal miners, oil rig workers, etc...
  • Correct. Companies/your boss will not give you a raise just for showing up. You have to prove that you have taken on increased responsibilities as well as made things better and show efficiency improvements...
  • Well, I believe his comments at interview are not odd at first place, secondly, why there is a question that how women can ask a raise, raises must come out as a product of work magnitude not on gender basis, and don't fire on me as I say this, "most of the women's are working with less dedication and devotion for work, they usually put lipstick on and walk out of the office at sharp exit time, its the men who are staying behind to do the extra work, also women's are not keen to took up task which are more demanding, then they still ask for equal or more raise, and heck they got that in some organizations..."
  • Just to clarify. He now admits he was WRONG. Microsoft say he was WRONG. So everyone saying his original comments were okay are defending a WRONG statement. On a second note, I now win the Internet today!
  • Just a different meaning by twisting the words he used, nothing wrong with what he said...
  • He says he was wrong because of the shitstorm created by angry feminists. Doesn't mean he was wrong.
  • And doesn't matter you won our not truth doesn't change, I never wanted to hurt anyone or to offend females, I know hard working females too, and they excel at what they do, but the ratio is very low..., and apology if you are a women and i hurt your sentiments..
  • Translation in my home country women are lucky if they are allowed to turn on the television or turn the channel.
  • I didn't get what he said wrong the first time? I live in Norway, we don't really have gender inequality - so this might be why I didn't see anything bad :S
  • He now says he was WRONG. Microsoft say he was WRONG. Wrong, Wrong, Wrong yet people are still saying he wasn't!!!
  • What was/is Nadella thinking??? Obviously he was not!!! Considering gender/pay I inequality is a huge issue in tech today, he should have known better. I sincerely hope this is not what he really thinks this should be the case when the doors are closed and no one is watching...
  • Or, maybe, just maybe, women need to actually make themselves worthy as the same pay grade as man. We are mighty, we are ooga booga. Microsoft is life. Microsoft is love. All heil Satya!
  • He is a gentle man
  • Women just want the d.
  • Idiot.
  • I think it was pretty obvious what he actually meant, he just worded it poorly. Sad that people have to nit pick words like that.
    But all you people defending him by saying "He apologized, they should just leave him alone", I'll bet the majority of you would be joining right in on the chorus and raking him over the coals if this were someone like Tim Cook or Eric Schmidt who had said it. Remember this next time you see something similar about an Apple or Google boss.
  • It's a cultural problem, and I think it's more of an issue in Microsoft's world than Apple's. Microsoft caters (and sometimes panders) to pimply-faced teenagers on Xbox Live who get a major kick out of using racist, sexist, and homophobic language to intimidate opponents. I don't Tim Cook would be so naive and ignorant to phase his opinions in this manner. There's also an open-secret that he's gay, and it's rare to hear a gay man come out and say something so ignorant towards woman. But I definitely agree that people are jumping to depend him but would be verbally reaming out any other tech magnate deemed as Windows Phone competition.
  • Typical male Indian mentality - good bye MS the word is already out!
  • When you want to praise him... He is a dignified US citizen, and when you want to scold him... He is a typical Indian... Big hand for such individuals...
  • TBH, if someone wanted a raise, I'd say the same thing as Nadella regardless of race/sex.  Wanting a raise doesn't mean you deserve a raise.  If however you think that you deserve a raise then simply ask with the evidence to back it up, again regardless of race/sex.   If the question had been asked without reference to a particular sex, in this case women, I don't think anyone would have cared about his initial answer.  If I were choosing to hire someone, I'd pay them based on their skills.  
  • +1
  • Boy oh boy, are you people touchy.. also, it seems that these CEOs and their ilk are oblivious to tack when speaking on such topics in public. Hell, if I was a CEO or whatever, in such a big organization, every public appearance I make where I'm asked to field questions; every answer out my mouth will be "politically correct". Dam, i'll have my lawyer in the backroom somewhere prompting my a** on what to say too.. lol. Look how this is gonna be blown way out of proportion now.. He made a dumb statement, he apologized. Move on!
  • His initial reply wasn't bad. More knee jerk for those looking to be offended about something. Recent history has already seen congress pass a law on equal pay for equal work, as well as at least one executive order from the white house. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what he says, good intentions or not. It is the law.
  • Hmmm, that was a pretty ignorant statement, but I suppose his apology is fair. But this won't be something that I'll forget for awhile. Also, my opinion doesn't matter as much, I feel. The opinion of the women he commented on does.
  • Nadella and Belfiore should be resigned and kicked in the $ss!!!
    I believe they are creating too much problem to MS....
    Not to say thai i sell WP phones to firms and after 3 years i can't still reply emails with a document in attachment, Belfiore is the most idiot person in the world
  • He didn't even say it as a bad thing. How can you be mad at him?
  • I'd hope it was enough, but I doubt it. I think his origional answer was that women shouldn't have to ask rather than they should never ask, but who knows. Subjects like these are always tricky, particularly depending on what experiances a person has. The places I've worked have all paid equally, irruspective of gender, race etc. So a lot of compainging seems more likely to create more of an issue as your putting ideas in peoples heads that it's the norm to do these sort of things. e.g. I would have never of thought to treat you differently because your a woman, until the massive publicity about people treating you differently.
  • That's the way I read it as well. He was speaking about a broken system and comparing it to a perfect system where nobody, not just women, should need to ask for a raise. At least that's how I read it... I could be wrong.
  • Sometimes people should say nothing instead of saying something like he did... All his good in promoting for women's rights is being over looked He apologized for his poor wording of his intent and it may be enough but due to his own beliefs they differ than what the mainstream believes. All people male and female should speak up for a raise. Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • I one way, he is right, regardless of gender you can typically sit well with your company if you don't ask for a pay raise.
  • When I read his comments, I read it as if he was genuinely stating that women shouldn't need to ask for raises. I didn't think it was "advice" for women but more of a statement pertaining to a failing system. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just the way I read it. I find Satya speaks poetically and the literally meaning of his "advice" was likely blown out of proportion. It's a tough subject and we all know, espeically those in IT, that women lack equal pay.
  • You can't even try to be P.C. without being attacked by the media hu? This is ridiculous, I would've said the same thing.
  • I'm late to this discussion, but I have to add... To all the idiots using the phrase "reverse discrimination" there is no such animal. The reverse of "discrimination" is *acceptance*. Discrimination is just discrimination. Most of the time, these guys are just using the phrase as code to disguise what they really mean... "You people won't let me discriminate anymore. Whahhhh!!!" So there's that...
  • Not quite. Acceptance is everyone being equal, reverse discrimination is determining that someone most qualified is unworthy because of one of the factors that is used to discriminate (sex, race, etc., etc.). As in a business man having three positions to fill; he has three men most qualified applying, one white, one black, one Asian, but because he doesn't have enough women or hispanics, he passes them by and hires 3 women, all 'minorities', to avoid being labeled a racist or a sexist. But, they all have big boobs, of course, so he's eventually going to face a harassment suit, and that makes the PC crowd happy, so its all good.
  • To be fair woman should be at home cleaning and making sandwiches. A few hours in the gym to keep themselves in shape also.
  • And where do I go to vote for you in the coming election?
  • I like that he came out and said he was completely wrong, instead of a message trying to defend or reword his statement. That's pretty humbling for a ceo to do.
  • Sadly, his true feelings are already out there. Although Nadella's response typifies the industry problem, it is not the source. The problem begins at home and in elementary schools where encouragement for girls to take an interest in tech and been slow. Also, there is nothing particularly masculine about tech, yet, everything from hardware design to GUI desgin has favored male preferences. Is it any wonder there is a pay gap? When smartphones first came out, it was hard to find something that was a powerful device that didn't look entire masculine. Android (Droid, anyone?) and Verizon are among the chief violators here. Apple and Nokia have produced some very nice looking, more gender neutral devices as of recent. Liberals decried Mitt Romney for his "binders" yet, wouldn't it have been better to have research and identification of strong femle candidates for positions than the hypocrisy of the Obama admnistratin, which has had a real problem with both the gender gap and pay gap?
  • Ok, first of all, what a jerk that Nadella. An apology after that comment makes him an even more hypocrite. "good karma in the company they work for in the future" is basically insinuating that they will no longer be in microsoft...well, indeed the company is getting rid of thousands of empoyees to pay off executive bonueses, lol. Nadella, you're just another fail CEO just as Elop...I hope you learn from a "bad karma" in your next company ^_~  
  • The sin that Satya committed was not pandering to this special interest. Not only must your industry and your company show a much better record on such an issue, you must regurgitate the words the PC crowd wants to hear. To not is blasphemy at the alter of PC.
  • 2 points somewhat in his defense: 1) as a man, yeah he might know what a woman faces. Intellectually, but that can be hard to "feel". Sounds like he may have also learned a few things. 2) for him, he might not have those kinds of prejudices, so it can be hard to figure why someone would do that to an employee. For me, I couldn't care less if you are a guy, gal, white, black, purple, call soft drinks soda, use Miracle Whip or have your toilet paper go under the roll. If you can pull your weight for 8 hours at work, then you are alright by me.
  • Damn, Nadella went Donald Sterling on the women @ Microsoft.  He said that stuff like he was committed to the idea that women should sit back  and wait on Karma to get more money for the work they do. Only walking it back when he was reminded he wasn't behind the doors of the Cloud Services office anymore.
  • Yeah, it's time to take MS away from him!
  • Very lame, very hollow apology that could have been strung together in an essay writing app.
  • I didn't see the interview. While the question was about women, is it clear whether his response was intended to apply only to women, or would he have given the same advice to men? Either way, I think it was bad advice. There's a world of difference though between the two, and the amount of "concern" involved. If it's just bad advice, so what? Don't ask him to be your mentor, and be careful how you approach him as a boss. If it's misogynistic, well, it probably shows his true feelings (at least to a degree), and the apology is mainly PR.
  • It's times like these when you have to ask yourself "Is it better that someone speaks their mind, or is it better to demand they apologize for it?". If you think it better to demand the apology, try applying that to yourself in everything you say and do. You may as well lock yourself in a padded room.
  • IMO, what he said originally was actually more respectful than the revised statement. I took the original statement to mean that women should EXPECT their employer to treat them fairly and without bias. If women need to ask for a raise to close a real or perceived gap, the organization they are working for has failed them from the onset. He could have answered the question more thoroughly but the intent is clear. Apparently, a knee jerk reaction will garner more headlines but he should be praised for this position not vilified.
  • Feminism =no means no and yes means maybe....! What the.....
    Feminist in the UK campaigned to have Charles Darwin replace on the £10 note stating that there wasn't enough women representing the UK currency, last time I checked coins and notes have the queen on all of them, and I'm pretty sure the queen is a female, so that point is invalid. Something is wrong here.
  • People who are truly not biased will often give a response that seems out of touch because it's not their way of thinking about these issues.
  • Maybe I'm dense, but I don't understand what the offensive part of the original remark was.
  • We all know the issues with Eastern cultures. This is Western media bitching without a leg to stand on in Western society. Like the NOW (National Organization for Women) chief, she won't show her face or say a word on Middle East soil where it's needed but she'll run that mouth all day in the US where women already have equal rights.
  • If one is in the position to give rights, that same body can take those rights away. If you can't get that one fact, you are from what we in the west know as the "privileged" class. One who was born into that which others are fighting to get and keep.
  • Let's face it. Nadella is on the way out. It is only a matter of time. Let the CEO search begin. He made or is perceived to have made a biased statement. While I personally believe that reality is reality, the media and Wall Street are convinced that perception is reality. No apology short of resignation/suicide will be acceptable.
  • I hope that the board at MS would take a hard look at what they put in place to run that place. At the very least, they should condemn him publicly and at best, send the packing before he does real harm to its reputation and its brand..
  • Everyone should watch that particular question and answer exchange. The problem occurs when people play the telephone game and start interpreting what Satya said through someone else's point of view. My take is that the interviewer (Klawe) asked an unclear question and Satya answered it based off of his "own experience" which he clearly stated. Since Ms. Klawe was actually trying to make a point instead of listening for an answer, she disagreed with Satya's personal experience. (wtf?) I believe this is where Satya went wrong and should have clarified what he was trying to say instead of keeping quiet. Of course the answer is "just ask"... and maybe some follow up on technique and preparation (which is what Klawe provided). I don't think Satya would disagree with anything she said there. ...seriously people, watch the video for yourself and let everyone know they're taking what Satya said out of context. peace.
  • Why should people be paid different for the same job? He came of as saying, "Be a good little worker and don't ask for a raise." Only a foolish sheep wouldn't ask questions or hope the boss will give them a raise out pic the blue.
  • Too bad Nadella's answer showed that he is neither exceptional and PC.  I hate the latter so a taking a jab at the PC thugs is a good thing but his answer was so incoherent, he totally missed an opportunity to be exceptional. If he were to say "Raies are based on merit" PERIOD, then he'll still be attacked by the PC thugs but then he'll be exceptional.  Instead, he chose to correct his previous answer with a trite copy-and-paste PC line.     
  •     DAMN! DAMN! DAMN! In this day and age, CEOs should have an earpiece with a PR person on-call 24/7 so anytime they're asked a "hot-button topic" question, they should be spoon fed an answer to avoid situations just like this.