Quietly, amidst the multiple HTC Touch Pro 2 releases, Samsung refreshed its Omnia line with a slew of new Windows Mobile devices. The Samsung Omnia II is a black-slab, touchscreen device hone that sports a 5-megapixel camera and a hefty 8 gigabytes of storage memory. Verizon picked it up late…
Samsung has released the Samsung Omnia 7 which joins the AT&T Focus in Samsung's Windows Phone 7 lineup. The Omnia 7, which is headed to European Carriers, sports a 4" super-AMOLED screen, 1ghz processor, a 5mp camera and either a 8gb or 16gb on board storage. The Omnia 7 is expected to be avai…
The AUKEY PA-B3 Omnia Mix Dual Port PD plug and PB-Y36 Sprint Go Mini battery make a great pair.…
Samsung has announced the pricing and and hopefully the final U.S. price will be lower. Toss in potential service provider contractual discounts and the prices may fall further. Both the Omnia Pro and Omnia II will initially ship with Windows Mobile 6.1 but upgradeable to Windows Mobile…
Samsung unveiled a slew of phones today, and, sure enough, what we'd come to know as the Louvre is in fact the Omnia Pro. .Samsung via Unwired View…
Australia is getting their first second generation Windows Phone, the Samsung Omnia W. The Windows Phone will launch on Telstra and will run $528 AU out of contract. You can snatch the Omnia W for $0 upfront on a $59 Freedom Connect Plan. The Omnia W is essentially the Focus Flash that is bein…
We're getting word from one of our readers that T-Mobile UK is at least rolling out Mango for the Omnia 7. Owners of the Omnia 7 may recall the double/triple asteriks in the international 'Where's my Update' page that plainly stated "Except Samsung Omnia 7 models". Now, Martrin R. has let us k…
There&39;s a new Windows Phone advertisement out on Youtube that is highlighting the Samsung Omnia W that hit overseas markets late last month. The Omnia W succeeds the Omnia 7 and is basically the overseas version of the AT&T Samsung Focus Flash. The minute long ad focuses on the Super AM…
We've seen the Omnia 7 in Australia get updated to allow for tethering and now Deutsche Telekom is getting into the action. Microsoft has updated their "Where's My Phone Update?" page to show Deutsche Telekom's Samsung Omnia 7 is now being scheduled to receive the Mango update. Good news f…
There have been a continuous stream of reports and complaints about failed updates was rather generic and could either be all Omnia 7 handsets will not receive NoDo for now, or just unbranded. I would go with just unlocked since Three have successfully rolled out the update to their Omnia 7…
Should you be excited about the Samsung Omnia W then perhaps pre-ordering the handset would be a wise investment? Especially since it's reasonably priced on Expansys at £329.99 or $447 U.S. The Omnia W specification sheet has the device sporting a 3.7" Super AMOLED screen, 1.4Ghz processor…
Swung by the Samsung booth at CES . Once you're able to navigate the dizzying maze of television screens -- and we're talking hundreds here -- you can finally find some Windows phones. Tucked in the back and a little to the left. And it was there that we found the European version of the O…
A burning question of late has been when, oh when, will the Samsung Omnia II finally hit Verizon. We'd heard of a November launch, but Engadget Thanks, John!…
Okay folks we have some info that regarding the much anticipated Samsung Omnia II on Verizon, which has been evidently arriving for what seems like months now. We're hearing from our source: Verizon is waiting for Samsung to officially launch it first. Verizon is looking to launch…
Well, look at that. The Samsung Omnia II has been spotted going through the FCC, and it's sporting AT&T's flavor of 3G. Whether the carrier actually picks up the Omnia is a whole 'nother matter. But an unlocked Omnia II running on AT&T's network is certainly better than no Omnia II in the U…
It's not quite the same as actually being there, but we can get a good feel from this video from hdblog of the latest from Samsung of just why we want AMOLED screens on our phones. And all we have to say is this: The Omnia Pro and Omnia II need to come to the U.S. soonest and, if properly ma…
One of the things missing from the announcement of Samsung's new Omnia line was actual specs. So, we're taking care of that after the break.Samsung UK Omnia II EDGE/GPRS 850/900/1800/1900; UMTS 900/1900/2100HSDPA 7.2 Mbps; HSUPA 5.76Mbps3.7-inch AMOLED touchscreen at 480x800Windows…
Seems as though everything is back on after we mentioned the patch Samsung released yesturday for their Omnia 7, which addressed the issue with devices not being able to update. Microsoft have confirmed in a blog post that the Samsung Omnia 7 handsets will begin receiving either NoDo or 7392…
We first heard about the Samsung GT-i8350 in July, when it was speculated to be a follow up to the Omnia 7. Yesterday, we saw that it got its Bluetooth certification, which means it's close to being released. Word is now that the GT-i8350 will be re-branded as the Omnia W and that it will…
Samsung has announced the Omnia W, the Omnia 7 successor, and it's set to sport a 3.7" Super AMOLED screen, 1.4Ghz processor and a 5MP rear camera . We previously caught a brief overlook of the specifications from SamFirmware and they stated that the handset will be available at stores in Oct…
Although lots of folks have received the update for the Samsung Omnia 7, officially at least it's still not available--or rather the firmware that's tied into it is not as easy to get . We got word now that Microsoft has updated the "Where's My Phone Update" list and whereas before it said "E…
We've just got word of pricing information for the Samsung Omnia W in Italy. We previously reported a leak that saw the handset to be priced at $569. TIM , which isn't too bad considering the device comes packed with a 3.7" Super AMOLED screen, 1.4Ghz processor and a 5MP rear camera. India h…
We've learned two things about upcoming Samsung Windows Phones this morning. In a series of tweets from Samsung Belgium it looks like the Samsung Omnia W will be coming to market in December and the Samsung Focus S will be a U.S. release only. The 3.7" Super AMOLED Omnia W is already availabl…
The Samsung Omnia W is now available at Sweden&39;s Telenor. For 219 Swedish Krona . The Samsung Omnia W is nice handset, sporting: Windows Phone 7.5 3.7 inch Super AMOLED display 1.4 GHz processor 5 megapixel camera Source: Telenor; Via: WINGadget.se…
Following up from yesterday and demonstrating that for many, Windows Mobile is not dead, Samsung is going ahead and releasing not one but two messenger-style devices featuring Windows Mobile , a 240x320 Windows Mobile Standard device that will compete in the developing market e.g. Southe…
Whoopsie. It appears Samsung just spilled a few more beans as to the existence of the Omnia II on Verizon.We'd already seen an inventory sheet from Best Buy showing the phone on the Big V. The Boy Genius Report now says the Aug. 23 date listed there is an in-stock date and not an actual laun…
The headline and picture just about say it all here. It appears the Samsung Omnia II, apparently slated for Verizon, should be at Best Buy on or about Aug. 23. No word on pricing, or when the Omnia II would be available through other outlets. We're gonna be rabble rousers here for a sec…
Earlier this year, Samsung Italy announced that the Samsung Omnia W would receive Wi-Fi tethering capability with the Windows Phone 7.8 update. Well... that didn&39;t happen. Samsung Italy sites that the Windows Phone 7.8 update was issued directly from Microsoft and for whatever reason, the t…
Looks like Windows Phones are getting quite the price break lately. First we saw the HTC 7 Pro for £229 and now the Omnia 7, another killer device, is going for 199.95 €. Offered through T-Mobile Germany, the Omnia 7 is unlocked/no contract features a Super AMOLED screen and 16GB of memor…
Not so long after the announcement, Samsung are to launch the first Windows Phone Mango device in India, the Omnia W. Featuring a 3.7" Super AMOLED screen, 1.4Ghz processor and a 5MP rear camera the handset is no slouch in terms of power and functionality. BGR reports that the mid-level…
Coming out of WPXAP forums, a fairly reliable source for leaked information, are the base prices for Samsung's Generation 2 devices. Samsung Focus S = $649 Samsung Focus Flash = $549 Samsung Omnia W = $569 There's not too much else to say about this story outside of the base price of Samsung…
The Samsung Omnia W has gotten it's price for consumers in the Netherlands, €329, slightly less expensive than its Italian counterpart. The Omnia W, which just recently launched in India as well, is a nice mid-range phone at a mid-range price. It sports a 1.4GHz CPU, along with a 5MP c…
If you're on T-Mobile UK and have an Omnia 7, you'll be excited to know that starting today, the official-official Mango update for that device will begin rolling out. The Omnia 7 were the only devices that had hiccups with the Mango update, requiring a little extra attention from Samsung in…
Brazil already launched the HTC Ultimate aka Titan, so why stop there? Looks like TIM is slated to get the Samsung Omnia W to compliment the Ultimate in that country. The news comes via WinPhoneBlog Brazil, who confirm that the device has passed Anatel for your perusal. In case your forg…
Probably not much of a secret to some, but we've come across a Samsung Omnia W advertisement on the SAMSUNGmobile YouTube channel, which is only available to those who have the link Should you be feeling down, you wont be after this advert, it's truly upbeat and shows off the Omnia W run…
The Samsung Omnia W, which was approved by Anatel , has popped up for sale on Brazil&39;s FNAC. This is an unlocked version that is selling for R$ 1299.00, or about $799.00 US. The price tag seems a little bit steep, even for an unlocked handset. But it&39;s not so ba…
There is a great offer at Orange FR for the Samsung Omnia W. You can get your hands on the Mango handset for just €1 after a €50 reimbursement. The offer is valid from November 24th to February 8th, 2012, and will require a contract to be taken out. €39/mo for 24 months, or &euro…
The Samsung Omnia W, a second generation Windows Phone, is proving to be pretty popular in Sweden on Telenor. The carrier has the device listed on their "most popular" page joining the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note, Nokia N9 and HTC Sensation. We&39;ve only just covered the Omnia…
The Samsung Omnia W is one step closer to becoming the first second generation Windows Phone in India. The 3.7" Super AMOLED Windows Phone is available for pre-order through Flipkart.com. The Omnia W is priced at Rs 20,900 and sports a 5mp rear camera, front facing VGA camera, 1.4ghz pr…
Verizon has released a software upgrade for the Samsung Omnia II . The upgrade contains a handful of enhancements including Windows Mobile AKU Update to 5.0.93, Qualcomm updates, Widgetplus updates, and Facebook app updates. You can find the Upgrade Too here with step by step instructions.…
Someone had some extra time at XDA and went the extra mile, tearing down their Omnia 7 to its barest parts. Pretty amazing to see it all stripped down. Unfortunately, it looks like Samsung opted for soldered NAND memory instead of an replaceable microSD card, meaning the Omnia 7 is stuck at just…
Looks like all is not going well with that Windows Phone update that are rolling out today as reports are coming in that the Samsung Omnia 7 is having some stability issues when updating. Specifically, we're told that the "backup gets stuck at 100% , users can't proceed with the update which al…
The Windows Phone Blog has been updated again to give details on a few lingering issues users may be facing, the HTC Surround NoDo update and Deutsche Telekom . For Omnia 7 issues regarding the NoDo update, Microsoft has this to say: As some of you know, we recently halted delivery of update…
We've received word from readers that they are receiving the NoDo update for their Samsung Omnia 7 devices on T-Mobile UK and Deutsche Telekom. I can also confirm that Three have been rolling out updates to their Omnia 7 handsets, so we can only hope that this is the last of the problems Samsu…
Want a Samsung Omnia Pro? Sorry, you can't have one yet. Well, at least not without importing it at a pretty penny and giving up U.S. 3G in the process. For us, that's a dealbreaker. For others, a small price to pay for that 800MHz processor and 3.5-inch AMOLED touchscreen running Windows Mob…
Who's up for some quality time with the Bell version of the Samsung Omnia II? Howard Chui , but we do like having different UIs to choose from. Peep the video after the break.…
That's right, you can look, but you still can't touch. What you see here reportedly is "a final build" of the Samsung Omnia II's software, along with its TouchWiz interface. And for the most part it looks like what Dieter got his hands on earlier this month. And still no word on when the Omnia I…
Let it never be said will be available on the Bell network for $349.95 on the standard 3-year deal or $549.95 outright. This coincides with Bell launching its HSDPA network, so you'll have fast data speeds to go along with the Omnia II's fast processor. Huzzah.…
Looking at the Samsung Omnia II, it's easy to forget that in fact it's a Windows phone But the folks at Engadget Spain can do more than just imagine how great it is, having gotten a hands-on with the phone.Siga leyendo para más!…
We're not quite sure just how based in reality this is, but what you see in the promo video above is the Samsung Omnia Pro B7610, though different than what we've previously seen.Strange things can happen in promo videos. Occasionally they let loose a juicy morsel that ends up being an unreleased…
We've heard very little about the Samsung Omnia Pro B7320 since its announcement earlier this year. Enter the Omnia Pro B7330, in the flesh, no less, with pics and specs from areamobile.de.The specs:Windows Mobile 6.5 Standard .2.63-inch screen at 320x320.1500mAh battery320MB ROMAnd all the…
Yeahhhhhh. So that Samsung Omnia II we saw make its way through the FCC probably isn't destined for AT&T after all. See, while the one tested by the feds indeed has AT&T's flavor of GSM, the general consensus now is that it's headed to Latin America. Perhaps the I8000L model number and, well…
The upcoming Samsung Omnia II is tossing another nugget onto the Windows Mobile 6.5 rumor pile. Microsoft Austria makes it known that the Omnia II will be available on the Austrian A1 carrier at the end of September.So does that mean Windows Mobile 6.5 will be released globally at the end…
With all the Windows Phone "Tango" update madness that&39;s currently underway, whether you&39;re forcing the upgrade or receiving it from the carrier, there&39;s a number of networks pushing out the latest version of Microsoft&39;s operating system. Vodafone Germany has joined this l…
Looks like some more folks are getting the carrier-endorsed OS 7740 update. According to reader theWeeBear, he just got the mini update to his Samsung Omnia 7 on "3" there in the UK. Likewise, our Nokia Lumia 800 was also updated to 7740 as you can see above. The odd thing? We don&39;…
We saw the other day YouTube featuring Windows Phone on its front page and tonight it&39;s Last.fm&39;s turn. Hopping over to the site and heading to the Radio area, you&39;ll have your browser overtaken by the Samsung Omnia W and Windows Phone, including that $25 app card good for the Marketpl…
Samsung has just come out with a new patch for their Omnia 7 product to make updating to 7392 unsure whether the Focus will receive a similar patch from the manufacturer, but at least this is a sign of progress behind the closed doors. Also, Microsoft has not yet given word on when Samsung d…
SamFirmware have just posted leaked firmware for the Samsung Omnia 7 handset - I8700XXKC1, which is reported to contain the NoDo update. No information on any improvements or fixes it contains. We recommend caution if attempting to flash your device, be sure to back up all your data prior to b…
Over at Samfirmware, new Omnia 7 firmware has been leaked - I8700XXKD1. Dated back to April this year, we're currently not aware of differences from the previous 18700XXKC1 and the update rolled out the past week. Flashing our device proves to be nothing better than a problem. According to com…
SamFirmware has released two unofficial ROMs for the Samsung Omnia 7, one for NoDo and the other for Mango. Check out the listed known features in this post for more info and remember that you flash your Windows Phone at your own risk. Firmware: I8700XXKD1. Filesize: 196+/- MB XX = Europe…
Why mess with a good thing? The Samsung Omnia 7 is a pretty popular phone, only rivaled by Sammy's other offering, the Focus. So it makes sense that Samsung would give a modest update to the design by adding a front-facing camera to the device and we're gonna bet some new silicon on the inside…
Some exciting photos to feast your eyes on of the upcoming HTC Radar for more posing handsets and the Tania on display by ZTE. Source: Windows Phone blog…
While not exactly the creme of the crop for Generation 2 Windows Phones, the Samsung Omnia W . While featuring a 5MP camera, 1.4GHz CPU and a 3.7" Super AMOLED screen makes this a nice middle of the road device for new customers, we're sure many of you might pass on this for HTC's offerin…
We reported a few days ago that Microsoft India was set to officially launch Windows Phone there and sure enough, that day has come. Over at the site I Love Windows Phone, Abhishek Baxi live blogged the event where all the details were revealed. The first device to launch there will be the HTC…
Omnia 7 users in France and who are on SFR will be happy to note that you should be getting your Mango update today. As noted on the official Windows Phone Blog, Eric Hautala details a bit about the update and tries to reassure others who own phones that are still "in testing" to sit tight, yo…
The GT-i8350 aka Omnia W, which suspiciously looks a lot like the Focus Flash for AT&T, has taken its spot at the FCC and looks to have cleared any remaining hurdles for release here in the States. The Flash is expected to hit shelves sometime in November but no release date or pricing has bee…
We're getting word that users in Australia on the Optus Network who are using Samsung Omnia 7's are getting a software update that brings WiFi tethering to their devices. Reader Sri lets us know that his firmware, radio and even bootloader were all just updated, meaning there could also be a f…
This is certainly an odd observation, but yes it appears Optus, an Australian carrier, has got their Samsung Omnia 7 packing Symbian according to promotional material . Obviously this is a simple error when creating the sheet, but it&39;s amusing to see the Metro UI being displayed with Micros…
Well, it's not a mighty re-flash of the whole ROM, nor does it bring any new features to the table and in fact, it actually looks kind of dangerous to apply .Yeah, not exactly thrilling, though we suppose if you have been experiencing poor call performance, you may want to look into this lil'…
We're just a couple of hours away from the official launch of Windows Phone 7 -- and you will be joining us for the liveblog -- but that doesn't mean there's not already a bit of news about. First up is the Samsung Omnia 7, which broke its cover on a Russian Sammy site before pulling its head ba…
As these new WP7 devices become more and more available, slight differences are starting to become evident. One of those differences appears to be load times for video games, with the Samsung clearly beating the HTC 7 Trophy out in a head-to-head. Much speculation has been circulating that the r…
Unlike LG, who seem to have hidden their Windows Phone from the world in turn for Android, Samsung did have their Omnia 7 on display. Samsung is in the same position as LG too: New high-end Android phone . Still, Samsung at least managed to get six of their Euro-Windows Phones on display…
Ever care to see how an expensive smartphone is made less valuable? Well, look no further as this video from TechBlog shows how it's done on the popular and feature-packed Samsung Omnia II. To what end? We're not sure, but dang, them there phone guts are sure getting teeny, aren't they? Oh…
The Samsung Omnia II is a more-than solid piece of hardware. It's the UI that drives us batty. But that's no matter to the folks at MoDaCo, who are hard at work loading HTC's Sense UI onto that gorgeous AMOLED screen. It's still a work in progress, but work that we're glad is being done.…
A reminder, folks, that as of today the Samsung Omnia II is available online and stores. Plunking down $199.99 and another two years of your wireless life get you that 3.7-inch AMOLED touchscreen , a 5MP camera, a zippy 800MHz processor, and Sammy's custom TouchWiz interface.…
Well, look at that. You're going to have to wait a few more hours before you can pick up the Samsung Omnia II on Verizon, but one has made its way to the front of a Verizon store and into the hands of YouTuber bcwatson57. The video's a little blurry, so we can't get a great feel for the AMOLED s…
Now that the cat's out of the bag, Verizon Wireless has officially announced that the Samsung Omnia II , will be available Dec. 2 for $199.99 after rebate and contract. But you already knew that. And in case you forgot, that $200 gets you a 3.7-inch AMOLED touchscreen, an 800MHz processor,…
Been wondering what the Verizon Samsung Omnia II would look like in your hand? We can't quite make that happen yet, but we can do the next best thing: Show it to you in someone else's. And, so, here are 3.7 inches of AMOLED goodness, teasing you until launch on Dec. 2.…
Yeah, you read that right. Not the iPhone. Not the Pre. Not a BlackBerry. Not that newfangled Droid. A Windows Mobile phone is the official phone of the 2010 Winter Olympics. And not just any phone, the Samsung Omnia II with its AMOLED screen and 800MHz processor, Windows Mobile 6.5 and all…
Here's a rumor that comes from a Phone Area tipster who has a reliable source, so, um, that makes it, like, fourth-hand twice removed or something. Anyway, the reported rumor is that the Samsung Omnia II will be released on Verizon on Nov. 1.Will that be the case? Will the mid-October launch…
Turns out the Verizon version of the much anticipated Omnia II was also at CTIA recently and users will be able to easily grab these through Samsung's own distribution system.Now can they just release it already? Seems done to us.More pics after the jump from LisaG in the MobileTechReview…
Oh, hello Samsung Omnia 2, how are you? We're really digging the AMOLED screen , which is plenty responsive. The 800x480 is quite nice too, but the rich and deep colors are the real show here. You can take a look at Sammy's cube interface in the quick vid above, but it's more flash than subs…
How badly do you want an unlocked, GSM Samsung Omnia II? Enough to drop $1,000 on it on Amazon? Granted, this is right up there with the tip-top of Windows Mobile hardware, but dayum.Thanks, again, Jeremy!…
Not that we really need another reason to believe the HTC Touch Pro 2 are coming to Verizon, but here you go. Both phones have appeared in Verizon's inventory system. That's all we get, however. No word on actual availability or pricing.Via Phone Arena…
Here's a YouTube video of the Samsung Omnia II being put through its paces, nearly Charlie Chaplin-style. Our 30-second impression: Despite the overkill on pastels and the insipid sounds that come with every tap on the screen — and we're sure those are two things you can change — the UI loo…
One of the better Windows Mobile battles we expect to see in the coming months may be between the HTC Touch Pro 2 and the Samsung Omnia Pro. Both are horizontal sliders with large touchscreens . Both have custom user interfaces. And as you can see in the above picture from a side-by-side gal…
You've seen the specs of the recently announced Samsung Omnia II, now watch the phone in action, courtesy of MobileBurn.Even if you're not a fan of the TouchWiz interface, you've gotta appreciate just how smooth it is on that phone. And we're willing to bet that's not even a production ROM yet.…
It's the Sunday rumor mill here in Windows Mobile land, and on today's plate is the Samsung Omnia Pro – the rumor surrounds an 800x480 AMOLED touchscreen, 5MP camera with stabilizer and flash, and a 624MHz processor. No word on RAM and ROM sizes.Supposedly the Ominia Pro will become more…
We've taken a look at the Samsung Omnia II from Verizon and felt it was less than stellar. In the full review we only briefly touched on the 5-megapixel camera. We've had the chance to tinker with the camera, and it may very well be the Omnia II's strongest feature. Follow the break for more on…
Here's our hands-on with most of the software customizations found on the Samsung Omnia i900. You'll also want to check out our hardware hands-on with the Omnia. Our final verdict on the device: good stuff, but it could use just a few more ROM tweaks before it's ready for prime-time. Stu…
Looks like a good morning for Samsung users! Taking that diagnostic menu one step further has allowed folks to figure out how to tether their Samsung WP7 devices, in addition to MAC ID address. The hack is pretty straightforward, though it will hose your Zune-over-3G sync option . Registering…
The Samsung Omnia W is a second generation Windows Phone that we should see on over seas markets soon. The new Windows Sports a 3.7" Super AMOLED screen, 8gb of storage, a 5mp rear facing camera and a front facing VGA camera. Phone Arena was able to spend a little hands on time with the n…
So we're still holding a bit of a grudge after it came to light that the Samsung Omnia HD would be running Symbian's S60 operating system and not Windows Mobile, as the original Omnia does. But lo and behold, Samsung has stripped the new phone of its Omnia name, reverting back to the old nu…
UK mobile phone retailer Phones 4u has announced today that it will be launching the Samsung Omnia M exclusively. The Windows Phone is said to be arriving into the UK on August 1st when Phones 4u will exclusively stock the device for two months until it opens up for other retailers. The Omnia…
As some of you may have heard, Apple held a press conference today in an attempt to get ahead of the ongoing 'antennagate' controversy surrounding the iPhone 4 , but having multiple devices for consumers to choose from, instead of just one-flagship phone, gives consumers options. If you're…
A support representative from Deutsche Telekom told users via a reply on Facebook that the Mango update for the Samsung Omnia 7 will not be coming until "early November." It's not what Omnia 7 owners wanted to hear, but it's better than not knowing at all, right? DT first pushed out WP 7.5…
Spotted on a billboard earlier today, the Omnia HD looks to be the final name for the previously seen Acme i9810 . We'll find out tomorrow whether the "HD" in "Omnia HD" truly means that we'll get HDMI Output, 16 gigs of storage, GPS, WiFi, and a 3.5 mm headset jack. Them's the rumo…
Can't say we saw this coming, but the Samsung Omnia appears to be headed for Verizon, like soonest. Engadget Mobile got a tip through Howard Forums that the keyboardless slab appeared on a Big V rebate form, and sure 'nuff, there she be. The start date for the rebate is Oct. 14 — tomorr…
It looks like there's now a CDMA variation of the Samsung Omnia in the works to go along with the GSM device already available outside the United States. There's still no official word of any U.S. carriers picking up the Omnia - CDMA or GMS - but we're still looking for AT&T to possibly pi…
