Smartphones didn't kill mini tablets, they became them

Until around 2014, small tablets, slate PCs ranging from seven to 10-inches, were all the rage. The iPad mini and a host of Android tablets from various manufacturers ruled this space. Consumers looking for portability, affordability and enough screen real estate for comfortable web surfing, media consumption, gaming and more, found mini tablets appealing. Larger tablets were capable devices, of course, but for many people, they were too big and too expensive.

Mini tablets fit into a small bag or even a large pocket. They also offer the same personal computing benefits larger devices do. Sadly, though small Windows tablets like the seven-inch HP Stream made it to the market, Microsoft never had a first-party offering in that product category.

The Surface Mini, which was scheduled to debut in late 2014, was canceled by Microsoft because it didn't offer enough to differentiate it from the competition. Microsoft may have dodged a bullet by avoiding the mini tablet space at that time. Smartphones were getting bigger and better and less discernable from mini tablets.

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Large smartphones shrink the need for mini tablets

In 2011, Samsung planted the seeds for the trend toward large-screen smartphones with the 5.3-inch Galaxy Note. This was a time when the 4.7-inch, and aptly named for the time, HTC Titan was a huge phone. In December of that year, Samsung announced one million Notes had been sold. Despite early criticisms of large phones, the trend caught on, along with the term "phablet."

Concurrent with a market attempt to popularize mini tablets, Android smartphones, Windows phones and eventually iPhones adopted dimensions that settled in the five- to six-inch range.

Smartphones became small tablets.

The always-connected and always-present nature of these large tablet-shaped telephony-enabled devices made them appealing alternatives to the small tablets that had just begun carving out a market position. Many people argue that smartphones killed the small tablet market. I say smartphones became small tablets. And now the smartphone market, dominated by iOS and Android, is over a billion devices strong.

PC specs on a 'tablet'

Shopping for a PC historically entailed considering a host of particular specifications. Processor speed, RAM, storage capacity, expandability, port options, and display type and quality (laptop or monitor) are some of those specs. Shopping for a phone historically entailed primarily considering call quality and network reliability. Feature phones maintained that particular focus. The advent of the consumer-focused smartphone in 2007 with the iPhone changed that. Smartphone buying decisions have become analogous to how we process buying and selling PCs.

Like any other apps, telephony is just expected to work when needed.

Call quality and telephony concerns are now a given that's not at the forefront of most of our minds as we shop for smartphones. Like any other app, reliable and quality telephony is a basic expectation.

For the tech-savvy, processor speeds, RAM, expandable memory, display quality, and other PC specs fuel their smartphone searches. The less tech-savvy trust sales associates who push how PC-like specs will help them. A high-end display enhances content consumption, a powerful processor and memory improve gameplay and app usage, vast storage provides plenty of space for content, and other traditional PC selling points are promoted to smartphone buyers.

The way we use smartphones, where phone usage falls below PC tasks, and how they're bought and sold, reveals these tablet-shaped devices didn't kill mini tablet PCs; they became them.

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The market hasn't acknowledged shift

Due to the industry's still recognizing a distinction between smartphones and tablets, many see this claim as an exercise in semantics. Still, actual smartphone usage parallels mini tablet usage, and smartphone manufacturers purposefully design phones to accommodate those usage patterns. Larger and more advanced display technology and other specs to accommodate web surfing, messaging, gaming, media consumption and more, as we see from Apple, Samsung and others, are evidence of this.

So though "tablet" still means a non-smartphone device positioned as a distinct category to most people and the market, that may eventually change. We're just 10 years into the smartphone-initiated mobile personal computing age. Our attention is continuously drawn to the next iteration of some new device. Consequently, most people don't exercise the opportunity to view the shifts in personal computing from a vantage point that provides a broader perspective.

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If the masses took a broader view of the mini tablet and smartphone markets, they'd likely see that in actuality, not semantics, nor hyperbole, most of us are using mini tablet computers.

Jason Ward

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  • Well written article and completely true. And happy to see you writing something other than "Windows not being dead and having some grand plan" FUD. I'd say that smart phones become small tablets but the reverse of that is true too. It's funny how people in the past laughed at my large HTC titan and now their phones are even larger!
  • Thanks Jf.Vigor. I appreciate the support. But I have to ask, "Where have you been?" 😯 Here are a bunch of pieces that don't cover Microsoft and mobile😉Literally every week! Ranging from smartglasses to inclusion of people with disabilities and other topics in between🙂:
  • Finally Jason is writing better articles again. I thought you had lost your mind with tons of "Windows phone not dead" type of articles. 😎
    Hope to see what else you're able to write now that you've come back to the real world...aka Earth. (and btw I am a Windows phone lover too)
  • Hi Rohan. Here's a tip. Follow my work directly at this link:
    That way you will see all my work. Evidently you're missing quite a bit of what I produce. As you'll see at the provided link I write on a wide range of topics. Because this site has a core audience of a Window phone fan base however, many of the other topics that I write about such as AI, ambient computing, social impact of technology, Qualcomm.and Microsoft partnership, Microsoft and their inclusion mission for people with disabilities, quantum computing, Microsoft as a platform company, smartglasses, AR and VR, HoloLens and MORE get relatively little attention from many of you core readers.
    Then when one of those non-phone pieces happens to grab your attention, like this one here, in your mind I'm suddenly writing about something other the phone." SMH 🙄 🤨
    No, kind sir, as you'll see via the link I provided above, I consistently write about other topics. You just finally noticed.😉 But I'm glad you did! Now jump on those other non-phone pieces. 😄
    Side note:
    Also, I've never left earth. Take another look at what Project Andromeda is shaping up to be: a non-phone, pocketable PC with telephony, running Windows 10 (Core OS) and an inking focus.
    Sounds a lot like what I've been describing in my work despite the criticisms, and cynicism of those who couldn't see it.😉 Here's a tip, just because you don't see something someone else does, or if you happen to disagree personal attacks or sarcasm are never the way to go. Especially if that person ends up being right.
  • Andromeda: This is what business has needed all along. And it's funny how business can drive personal use as we are always working.
  • WP might be dead, but the WP experience is not.  I recently became a Tablet Mode convert and started using that as a default on all my two desktops and one laptop.  I configured the Start screen exactly same way as on WP to organize all apps on the Start screen by Groups and Live Folders.  All the freqently used apps are one click or one tap (I use Dell touch monitors for my desktops) away and the less used apps are strored in the categorized Groups and Folders for easy locating. I'm actually served by the WP experience which is far more efficient than the Desktop Mode.  The WP experience - Live Tiles, pinning features and full UI customization - will be with us forever even WP is dead.  If the folding Andromeda mobile device would become a reality, I would definetily configure the unfolded tablet screen the same as on my other PCs.  An unified experience would then prevail on all my devices.
  • agreed :)
  • TOTALLY agree!!!
  • Microsoft phones will be dead when Microsoft drops it's support or/and no phones with Windows mobile can be bought anymore. Not the case today
  • You have missed the nuance here. Win Mobile is dead because it is unnecessary. It will be replaced with full Win10 as small format hardware can run it. Business will be the driver.
  • Yea yea 😉
  • What will you say if, and when, an Ultramoble Windows PC under the Surface brand hits store shelves?
    That's an actual question.
  • I will say "who cares" and keep using my Samsung galaxy s22 Plus
  • Weather you care, or not, is pointless to anyone here. The fact is that you just admitted to not being entirely sure that nothing is coming. It doesn't make sense to say nothing is coming when you don't even believe that yourself.. And, it's even more pathetic to say "who cares" if something does. You're trolling like a child.
    It's actually kinda dumb, after all of the discussion, to bring up your smartphone, and still using it, when nobody is talking about smartphones.... If I ask you "what will you say when the new mid engine Corvette comes out" will you say " I'll just say who cares, and keep using my Galaxy"????....... Well, duhh. We also hope you keep using soap, deodorant, toothpaste.. SMDH.🙄
  • You may be replying to someone else because I never said nothing is coming. I'm actually sure something is coming. But I don't care. Bexause it's made by Microsoft. They will release it and abandon it when it doesn't perform. And that's the facts "whether" you admit to it or not 😊
  • Business is the driver on this. Microsoft and other vendors will produce the hardware.
  • JF,  Don't mind rodney....He escaped from the NUT HOUSE a while back and has been posting drivel for some time now.
  • Has it catched fire yet ?
  • Business is ready for it NOW!
  • Thanks. You keep us thinking.
  • Jason,  what is the Dell device in the photo above?
  • ooooo whiny fangirl down vote for a simple question...Love the rediulousness that is the microsoft fanboy.
  • This is partly why I dont see Project Andromeda being a success. If a phone the size of the Note 8 could be unfolded to have two seemless screens side by side (not possible now, but maybe one day), it would result in an 8" mini tablet. That's a nice size improvement, but it's not large enough to replace anything other than a phone for the vast majority of people, especially since very few have a mini tablet these days. .
  • It certainly isn't going to be large enough for a good Windows
    experience and you will still need to carry a keyboard.
  • I don't need a keyboard on my 950XL or Venue 8 Pro. But when I need a keyboard for fast typing, I use a Surface 3 or Pro 4.
    If my phone could drive my office needs with a dock, 2 monitors, keyboard and mouse and telephony. it could be my primary office and mobile device.
    But I would still need other devices: I use my Venue 8 Pro a lot (on the couch, in bed, in waiting rooms, at family and friends houses, etc.) as well as my 950XL.
    I use a Surface 3 as my "mini office" in the family room was we watch TV.
    I also have a Samsung 8" tablet that I don't use at all any more.
    The most important thing is that ALL of my devices run the same OS, the same OS as business.
  • I have a feeling that it would have a landscape W10M interface as a tablet but for the full desktop experience you would connect it via a dock or wirelessly using an updated version of Continuum, this is where the SD835 x86 emulation would come into play.
  • And what if the "phone" unfolded to have TREE seemless screens? Whith that you would have roughly a 11" tablet.
  • Even with three folds, good luck getting a Surface into your pocket. Even a Galaxy Note, if unfolded three times, isn't going to give a very large screen. It will be much shorter than a Surface Pro, which is already on the smaller side to truly be comfortable and productive with Windows. It is also going to be tough to fit in your pocket due to the 3x thickness. It will be several years if not a decade before such a form factor will really be viable.
  • What if all of my devices used the processor of the high powered phone and the other devices were merely different screen sizes, 2 in 1 touch/keyboard?
  • Depends.  I can see using it as a small tablet or phone most of the time and when you need a PC on the go you can either put on AR or VR or use Miricast and project to a dongle.  With either a virtual or folding keyboard you can have a powerful PC in your pocket if you ever need it.  I am on call for IT support and it would be great to be able to do all the stuff I need if I have to away from home. 
  • I wish Microsoft didn't cancel the Surface Mini... if anyone is going to argue the surface mini didn't offer anything new, I'll point you to the surface laptop. That doesn't really offer anything 'new' it just show cases how Windows 10 can run on a laptop, the surface mini could have better showcased tablet mode in a small form factor. The surface mini would have been a perfect note taking device.
  • There are plenty of other small Windows tablets around though, so there are options.
  • Actually there aren't many running W10 and it's just too much hassle to upgrade a W8 tablet to W10 pro.
  • There seem to be a number of them on Amazon UK with W10 but I suppose it depends where you live. I found it as easy to install W10 on my old tablet as any other OS/PC. Just stick in your USB stick and install.
  • Hmm, have you had any driver issues? I need a small tablet no bigger than 8inch with very good stylus support and pressure sensitivity.
  • It's an original Toshiba Encore, so no stylus support beyond rubber tip. No driver issues at all. The later Encores did have stylus but were not as powerful or well made. Toshiba are out of the game now. Perhaps a Dell, Acer or Linx?
  • I've had no issues with my now several years old Dell Venue 8 Pro
  • It also has a stylus.
  • Mine is running the latest insider build, love the swipe style keyboard, but I get a very sporadic connection for the pen. It is so bad, I have stopped trying to use it.
  • I had no trouble updating my Dell Venue 8 Pro to Win 10. Love it!!
  • It was running Windows RT and, although I used a Surface RT and could live within its confines, the vast majority of people could not.  The MS Store has gotten a lot better so maybe Windows S has a chance but I still think you need x32 support on a Windows device for years to come. Now Windows 10 on ARM is interesting for the Surface Mini. 
  • I'm aware it was running RT, they could have released it running full blown Windows, it's not like they didn't have prototypes running x86 socs. However I am hoping they do release it running W10 on ARM.
  • The problem is Windows doesn't have a good touch keyboard for tablets. Lack of WordFlow or another swiping keyboard makes Windows tablets a chore to use without a physical keyboard.
  • Hmmm, not my experience. I use touch and physical keyboard equally well. I use only touch on my Dell Venue 8 Pro with no issues.
  • The Fall Creator's update does have a swipe style keyboard.
  • Honestly so glad Jason Ward didn't write another "big picture, mythical device, small tablet with inking (pretty much a Galaxy Note but not really because he refuses to admit Samsung has beaten Microsoft to the punch on everything)" article. Still don't like to read the guy's articles because he literally rewrites the same thing over and over.
  • Hi Antonio. Perhaps you missed a breadth of my work across a wide range of topics.
    I cover many topics such as Ambient Computing, Microsoft's lack of consumer focus, IoT as the new battlefront, Qualcomm and Microsoft's partnership, Smartglasses, Microsoft's struggle with AR against Apple's and Google's consumer-focused ARKit and ARCore, Microsoft's absence from the consumer space having a negative effect on it ambient computing future, several pieces on Microsoft and including and.supporting people with disabilities and more, will Samsung beat Microsoft to market with an ultimate mobile device and more. You can peruse the 9 pages of see that wide variety of topics and more here:
    Here are just a FEW pieces:
    Will Microsoft's smartglasses strategy be overshadowed by rivals
    Microsoft has everything it needs to succeed with consumers except follow through Microsoft has everything it need
    Microsoft CEO admits repeatedly abandoning consumers was a mistake
    Does Microsoft's CEO hate the things we love or just inefficiency in his business
    Will jilted Windows phone fans buy into Microsoft's mobile vision
    Without a phone Microsoft's AR efforts may be worthless
    How fathering a son with disabilities help Microsoft's CEO transform the company
    IPhone X Apple's future of the smartphone is a blast from the past
    Microsoft, Apple, Google and today's kid covers
    Google Glass and the HoloLens clash in the enterprise en route to consumers
    ODGs smartglasses hint at consumer grade HoloLens
    Microsoft leadership, here's who's accountable for what in Redmond
  • Also Antonio though I prefer Windows I'm a techie and can embrace any platform😎. Your claim about my perception of Samsung goes against what's shared in my article here:
    My Lumia 1520 is on its deathbed and I'm tempted by Android "The 6.3-inch display of the Note 8 is right up my alley. That's plenty room to edit articles, use Twitter, write notes, watch videos, read and more. I've never wanted to replace my 1520 with a smaller device, Windows phone or otherwise. The Note 8 fits my smartphone size requirements nicely. I'm also pretty excited about using a pen for digital inking. Sure. Samsung's implementation of their S Pen is different than Microsoft's Windows Ink, but there's no Windows phone that supports such a pen, and Microsoft has yet to build support for it into Windows 10 Mobile. So that's that." Now though I don't believe Samsung has beat Microsoft at EVERYTHING, it and Apple and Google and ODG (i.e. smartglasses) have beat Microsoft at some things. I encourage you to read my work. You'll see coverage of not only what Microsoft is doing but what competitors are doing as well. And as the excerpt I share shows (and as my pieces on topics such as AR, consumer relationships, etc show), I clearly recognize when Microsoft is being outdone by the competition. All of my articles:
  • Business is the driver and all devices must be Windows OS.
  • I agree. The small tablet is now the smartphone. Whether this be the iPhone, note, or HP Elite X3. If a device was foldable and had a total screen size of about each 6 inches but was not a phone then it would be a real small tablet. In 2017 this article tells us how pointless such a concept would be up against 6 inch smartphones. Fortunately no one serious about mobile is producing a small tablet anymore.
  • AS business is the driver on this, the OS must be Windows, the business standard. We don't want to develop Corp apps for more than one OS.
  • I agree. If the non-existent, partial telephony, foldable tablet only runs UWP apps then they will have a problem.
  • Yes and no. For consumption I would agree, but that 5.5-6.5 large phone size range is just too small for really precise creation work. The 7.5-9.5 range has its uses, especially with Windows Ink.
  • When cell phones will run x86 programs they'll be a mini tablet until then they're just a phone
  • So, Grant, are you saying the iPad Mini and small Android tablets that don't run x86 programs are not mini tablets?🤔
  • Pretty much.  Both are glorified toys in my eyes. I have a phone, I don't need a slightly larger phone that has less functionality
  • Symantecs ... Grant is correct - they are large phones because they use the phone OS and not the desktop OS(X) in the case Apple. 
  • Business needs to develop corporate apps once for all of its hardware. Windows, when the new full Windows "phones" arrive we'll be there.
  • If recent rumors are true, the "Surface Phone" or whatever they call it won't run X86 either. It will basically be Windows 10S. X86 will only come through Centennial apps since it will be running Windows Core with all the legacy Windows bits cut out.
  • Hard to believe there are still people who think that "if it's not running Windows it's just a toy".    It is to laugh.  
  • The OS for business is Windows and having it on all devices makes the most business sense. We'll see it on "phones" within a year.
  • Windows core will run on all devices formats. Corp apps will run on phones.
  • And how will you install x86 programs onto a phone?  With a Bluetooth DVD drive?
  • Corporations do it today via the network.
  • My 950XL is NOT just a phone. It does everything my larger tablets do. It is the precursor to the coming Surface small tablet with telephony.
    I have other devices of different sizes that are better for some situations. But it is essential they have the same OS.
  • Yes, a great phone. Nevertheless, Microsoft droped it. So, if a new device comes, how are you sure MSFT is not going to drop it also?
  • Actually the current smartphones are an evolution of the original PDA not shrunk Tablets. A mini-Tablet to be successful would have to be like the original MS Codex prototype and have the same pen and handwriting capabilities of my Book.
  • 2 in 1 tablets with Windows 10 are the best choice if you want tablet. (personal thoughts)
  • Agreed. Yoga Book with Windows are great. Full versions of Office and other MSFT software will beat any tablet.
  • Great article! I have wanted a small LTE tablet for a long time. While not big enough yet, slowly, phones are getting big enough to meet my needs.
  • Give me back my Lumia 1520 - the Windows Phablet... This is The device that finally cured my continual replacement of phones every 6-9mths. As soon as I got this versatile device in my hands (after the inital "damn it's big"), it was the best device I had used to date, including everything either side of this device, such as Samsung minitab, Toshiba's 8" minitab, etc. It did everything well like awsome photos, watching videos, editing work documents and spreadsheets. It was awesome. I was disappointed when it was clear there wasn't going to be any more versions of this beauty coming out. Either way this device was scratching the itch I had for a device that did everything I needed of it, mainly due to its size. The Only thing missing was the pen option, but there were hints this was coming at one stage. Whichever way you term it, whether it be a shrunken this, or a large that, the 1520 Lumia phablet was my device of choice. Just put a 'surface' design on this puppy with WoA and a builtin slot for a pen and I'll be waiting at the front door to buy it.
  • Your dream device is available today. The Galaxy Note 8 is exactly what you described with much better software options compared to what a Surface Phone would launch with including all the Microsoft stuff.
  • But it is not business ready. Business is Windows and is looking forward to the new Surface phone.
  • It isn't? What is missing? Businesses haven't bought Windows phones for a decade now and the "Surface Phone" isn't going to be running legacy Windows. It is going to have all that cut out and only be able to install apps from the store if recent rumors are to be believed.  
  • Business wants to run all of its corporate apps on all hardware, including phones and it will with the new "Surface Phone". We do not want to develop for multiple OSs.
  • Business can install all apps it needs on its devices without limitation
  • Who said that it's only going to run apps from the store. No one knows. Windows Core OS allows MS to decide if they want to include Win32 or not. But Windows 10 S will likely be the base and you can unlock it from the store. Nothing in the article implies that it'll be centennial only. 
  • It is only rumor, but from the article:
    "It is important to point out that for now Windows Core OS supports Win32 only with Centennial and does not support Silverlight . In fact, the first Desktop devices to have Windows Core OS will be devices with Windows 10 S, which have a target user that does not need old menus that will disappear."
  • I need multiple formats. I have a large phone (950xl), Dell Venue 8 Pro, Surface 3, and Surface Pro 4. I wouldn't want a phone much larger if at all, but its versatility is great. When I'm in a tight area, on the couch, or in bed, the Venue 8 Pro is perfect. The Surface 3 is used as a mini laptop in the family room on a small table. My Pro 4 is my main PC used in my office with a dock for large monitor, keyboard, mouse, hardwired network access, and added storage. Aside from a powerful phone driving my office setup, I will still need several device formats. It would be nice if they all hade LTE.
  • Agreed.   One size never fits all, whether we are talking t-shirts, cars or condoms. Of course, Windows is all MS has, so of course "Windows Everywhere" makes some sort of weird sense.   Servers, workstations, laptops, tablets and phones should all be running the same OS. Excuse me while I giggle.  
  • You use more than one size condom??
  • Way to miss the point.  
  • I'm done. Windows/Microsoft is now officially boring because it has no mobile presence. Deleting the app, getting a Chromebook and moving on. Anyone want to buy a HTC Trophy, or a Lumia 928, or a Surface RT? No you don't.
  • Nobody cares, dude. You won't be missed by fans, Windows Central, and mostly Microsoft.
  • You obviously are not in a business organization. They are Windows. There is no need for any other.
    Use your existing Windows devices until the new Surface with telephony arrives. It will.
  • What new will that bring? We have had Windows phones for years. What will make this one different?
  • We have not had full Windows phones that can run business apps designed for full Windows 10. That is the future of the phone - a small Surface. Other larger device formats will also have telephony.
    That is what business needs and is the driver for this.
  • You  have no idea what u r talking abt. Such a device offers nothing compelling to businesses 
  • When the very first iPad came out I said to everyone that would listen that it was a joke and no-one would buy these stupid things. Either you have a phone or a laptop, not a stupid tablet. How wrong I was. Everyone went nuts over them. I still think they are a joke of a product.
  • The joke is on you.   Tablets are extremely useful.  All the portability, apps and fun of a phone, with a larger screen.  
  • Agree. I use 4 Windows 10 devices of different sizes to fit my needs.
    Yes the 950XL is versatile, but it is too small for some uses.
    In my office, I use a Surface Pro4 docked to a large monitor, keyboard, mouse, hardwired to the internet, printers, added storage.
    When I'm in the family room, I use a Surface 3 on a small desk with its keyboard as a "remote office".
    I use my Dell Venue 8 Pro especially when lying on the couch or in bed or in tight areas where my phone is too small. The most important thing is all of these devices are running the same OS.
    When a Surface with LTE hits and can drive my office set up with a dock I'll use it.
  • Jason subliminally pushes our mindset to Andromeda and creates hype, but no its not working.
  • Why?
  • Because MSFT will drop Andromeda eventually. As usual.  
  • I doubt that since even HP is working on it.
  • I'd still like to see 'tablet node' on Windows 10 go back to a Windows 8.1 minimal thing again. Look at iPhone X - you now have to learn a couple of new swipes but it's not that difficult. Steve Sinovski (like him or loathe him) was right and the UI was ahead of it's time.
  • This is reason #1 why I bailed early on the Win 10 pre-release builds. The great tablet UI of 8.1 went away, replaced by the extremely non-innovative task bar.   When 10 was released and MS was giving it away, I blocked it on every 8.1 machine I had.  I later installed 10 on a separate partition on my desktop (I have an MSDN subscription where I work).  But I was not about to give up 8.1, and still use it daily.   
  • I balked at 10 at first because I liked 8.1 so much, but I use 10 tablet mode, Start Screen full screen on all of my devices. The only Desktop I see is when I dock my Pro4 with a second monitor. As I can do everything on the Start Screen I could on the Desktop, I have no use for the Desktop any more.
    I love Windows 10 on all my devices, especially it is a single, same interface on all of them.
  • Do people want to carry a stylus around?  I see myself losing them.. And my finger works pretty well... Please let me know what you think....???
  • I honestly believe Windows is aiming at satisfying business needs on all hardware formats
  • What if our mobile phone device was the processor for all other hardware, which can be just the screen, keyboard, mouse interface?
  • I want a 7" phablet.  Yea, I know that they're too big for most people, but I've got XXXL hands (I have to special order gloves) and all these XL phones are way too small.  If the XL and Plus phones aren't too large for these little kids, then a 7" phone will be popular for the Big & Tall crowd.
  • Sure. Thing is there are not that many of you. The vast majority is wearing medium-large size, and shoes around  9-10 size. (or 42-43 for europeans)  So large phones or phablets, although convenient for you, were not meant for your use case, but the intention was to provide something between phones and tablets. 
  • After using Tablets wiith mobile os for many year I used a friends GPD POCKET 7” Windows 10 UMPC for more than 15 days and I will order soon one too. This device shows the power of a full windows 10 experience in your pocket. Smartphones and mobile os applications are just ridiculous and handicapped in comparison to full desktop apps.
    I already tried cad, Photoshop, 3d rendering apps, compilers, DTP apps and many more like pc games. When you have the real thing in your pocket going back and use smartphone for more that phone calling, to read or write a Sms or a small email or skype to someone is just seems to limiting. If they add to windows 10 calling capabilities and can be used also for calling with some modifications can replace a large scale phablet or tablet with mobile os. My vilin n5 UMPC could do phone calls with Huawei software. UMPCs should make a come back by using attributes from mobile windows for the phone handling. Using QUALCOMM is not a solution because with x86 emulation and only 32 bit desktop apps will be very slow.
    Lets hope that we will see AMD and Inter to make new Ultra low voltage APUs for IOT that can be used also in mobile devices.
  • Another "if it's not running Windows, it's a toy" Luddite.    Too funny.  
  • It depends of your work needs. There are many scenarios that desktop os is the only way to go. If you are an engineering, architect or interior designer and need cad to edit on the go.
    If you work in finance or logistics and need to access multiple applications that are windows only.
    If you work as programmer and need to run compilers.
    If you are content creator and need to run on the go photo editing, dtp even 3d apps.
    If you are an administrator our it personnel and need a device for tech support.
    If you are in general in web developing and maintenance.
    If you are a doctor and run apps that connect to medical equipment.
    If you are a game developer and need to make some work on the road.
    If someone want to work remotely and need to integrate and use through Citrix etc
    If someone need to connect to every printer, laser cuter, cnc machine, storage device etc And this list could go on and on. Mobile OS is a joke for business scenarios. Is only serious for some specific apps in finance and some office work. Ok and emailing. If we will see real non handicapped applications this will change but I doubt it as it is targeted to general public that the 95% will do only specific tasks like browsing, emailing, social media, skyping and some gaming. Mobile is still having problems even in simple tasks like not not be able to access specific tasks in web banking as mobile browsers are not supporting all the desktop features and you need many times to find a desktop pc to change a password or make a payment abroad.
  • The full windows 10 phone is coming for business.
  • Windows is the OS of business. IOS and Android will never be. Especially with full Windows 10 phone coming for business.
  • I fell for "phablets" with my first Samsung Galexy Mega, never looking back.  Still love my Nokia 1520.  If Microsoft fails me and HP Elite X3 fail to continue The Samssung Note 8 is looking good to me.
  • "Call quality and telephony concerns are now a given that's not at the forefront of most of our minds as we shop for smartphones." I always find these type of comments curious.  Unless if I'm reading this incorrectly are you saying people don't care about call quality?  If so, I guess I'm in the minority, because that's my first concern.  If the "phone" doesn't have a good quality why even bother?  We are still talking about a phone, right?  I'm not a fan of large phones.  They look as silly as those who carry around an iPad to take photos.  Can't wait for the next generation to say "what the heck this is too big" and move back to smaller devices.  Because if you have lived long enough you know what was old will become new again.  As a person who used one of the earliest cell devices from Motorala (Large) to some of the smallest phones in Japan now the trend is moving back to the Motorala days.  But that too will eventually swing back to smaller devices.  Now, if there is a foldable device that can keep the phone well below the 6" size but expand larger than that will be a winner. 
  • I think you are reading it incorrectly.   I believe he means that call quality is assumed to be there, at this point.  IOW, people are looking for other features now.   Cameras, storage, overall speed, apps, screen size, sound quality, etc. are what most folks are looking for these days.   The "phone" aspect is only 1 part of the device today.  For many people, this "phone" will be their  primary computer/camera/entertainment/music device.  If all you want is a "phone", then there are much cheaper options available.   People spending $700 - $1,000 for a "phone" are looking to do MUCH more than make phone calls.  
  • Ok.  Fair enough.  Just wanted to make sure.  After phone quality then the camera is the 2nd most important thing to me.  Once Microsoft rid themselves of Nokia it seemed their camera took a huge it.  To me.  It signaled to me Microsoft wasn't focused on phones.  Most people I know use their cell phones to take pictures today.  As far as primary computer, well, I know very little who use it as a primary computer, though smartphones have some capabilities to use as a computer.  Music, entertainment sure, I see that.  For me even though I use my phone for certain things, my SP3 and desktop are still my main computer. The notion of spending $1K for a phone it crazy and I can easily afford it.  But I just won't do it.  I spent $1K for my SP3 and no phone currently on the market is worth that for me.  To some sure. Not me.  
  • Right, the full excerpt says: Call quality and telephony concerns are now a given that's not at the forefront of most of our minds as we shop for smartphones. Like any other app, reliable and quality telephony is a basic expectation. I think we're to the point that most people see reliable and quality telephony as a given, not a perk. Like in an industrialized nation certain things that were once considered luxuries are a given that few (relatively speaking) give second thought to, like clean water for drinking and bathing.
  • I've found that it's less of a given than a lot of people seem to think and is as subject to price concerns as everything else on a phone. I guess most reviewers tend to stick to the flagship devices and at worst mid-range, so they don't notice it that often. I would love to see someone do reviews of the various cheap 50 -100 quid phones coming out of China, as I'm just more interested in seeing what not a lot of money will get you these days as opposed to review after review at the 500 - 1000 quid end, where it seems to now be little more than splitting hairs over low light photo quality and case design, with almost everything else taken as given.
  • Much more yes. They also want to show their friends how wealthy and up to date they are. "you're still on iPhony 6?? really mine's a 10, even though I only use it to take selfies"
  • I couldn't care less about call quality. I hate talking on the phone. I use it mostly for texting, messaging, browsing, grading assignments, etc. That's why I like the phablet-sized phones.
  • Don't get your comments, my call quality on 950XL is just fine.
  • My phone is an LG V20 which is in "phablet" territory. But I could never function without my 7" tablet (which includes 4G LTE connectivity). I have 8" and 9" tablets too, but 7" is just right, as the vendors realized. This article is out of touch with reality.
  • It all depends on what you use it for.   Personally, a 7 inch tablet is way too small for me.   That's barely bigger than a phone.   I have a 10.5" and a 13" iPad.   I could never go back to ONLY a 7" tablet.  I also have an iPad mini (8").   I would not have it as my only tablet, but it is still nice to have. Clearly, not all vendors have found 7" to be perfect.  Choice is great.  
  • I have an 8" tablet/computer and I really like it for reading books.  It truly is a consumption device.  I can't in no way do any real work on that device.  I can do real work on my SP3 and I don't really like doing that.  I need my large monitor.  I work with a lot of spreadsheets.  If Microsoft creates another phone device and it's more than 6" I guess I won't be in that market.  If it's a foldable device that's smaller than 6" and can expand then that's a different story.   
  • All is well, it's all good. But why does not Facebook update come in? Windows 10 Mobile
  • All is well, it's all good. But why does not Facebook update come in? Windows 10 Mobile
  • All is well, it's all good. But why does not Facebook update come in? Windows 10 Mobile
  • All is well, it's all good. But why does not Facebook update come in? Windows 10 Mobile
  • Drop the Facebook app and just use the EDGE browser on Windows 10 Mobile.  Who needs an app when the browser gives a better experience.
  • That doesn't work well either.
  • Yeah I feel the same about Facebook every time i use it.  So is it a problem with the browser / app or with Facebook?
  • It's both. The app really stinks and the site doesn't work well with Edge. No problem on Android at all.
  • No problem on iOS either.  Problems on Windows?   Shocking!
  • Totally disagree. Works fine in Edge
  • Seriously? What phone?
  • Andrew.  It does'nt give a better expeience using edge.   Thats MS talk for we don't have an app for that.  Nothing more.   
  • Disagree. Works great in Edge.
  • Yeah, and Microsoft elected to leave that market. So be it, I elect to leave Microsoft.
  • Actually they haven't
  • Video killed the radio star.
  • I actually won't mind using tablets regardless of OS. But the problem I always see is that it is rather awkward holding it while taking calls.