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This is why higher-end Lumia phones can't currently run the Windows 10 Preview

Microsoft's Gabriel Aul has offered a technical explanation on why the just launched Windows 10 for phones preview cannot currently be used on higher-end Lumia smartphones, such as the Lumia 930, the Lumia Icon and the Lumia 1520.

At the moment, only six low-to-mid end Lumia smartphones can run the first public preview of Windows 10 for phones. Aul stated:

"The majority of Lumia phones, from our most advanced to the most affordable, can be upgraded to Windows 10. That said, for this technical preview, we need to start with a small subset of devices in order to isolate OS issues from hardware or board support package issues so we can stabilize the platform. This is a normal part of the engineering process, but you would not have seen it in the past because we haven't done a public preview before—so those builds were Microsoft only. (In the first 4-6 months of development, our team would typically focus on only one specific device—then we'd broaden.)"

But why can't the smartphones with higher end hardware specs run Windows 10 for phones right now? Aul says:

"We have a feature that will be coming soon called "partition stitching" which will allow us to adjust the OS partition dynamically to create room for the install process to be able to update the OS in-place. Until this comes in, we needed devices which were configured by mobile operators with sufficiently sized OS partitions to allow the in-place upgrade, and many of the bigger phones have very tight OS partitions. Note that this doesn't mean that Windows 10 will take more disk space than Windows Phone 8.1, it's just a function of the upgrade process at this point. Once the partition stitching feature is completed, many more devices will be supported."

Source: Microsoft

498 Comments
  • 1020?
  • No 1020.. More wait
  • Aww :-\
  • 1020 is in the list for eligible phones... Try Windows Phone Insider app. Probably just not yet released...  
  • Grrrrrrr!
  • By the way what date did they say the completed win10 will be available?
  • Holiday 2015
  • They didn't. They never give dates in advance.
  • propably at the end of the year like pc version
  • RTM date is June.
  • Will just forget about all these Win10 stuff before I get a heart attack.
  • This short device list devastated my phone's and my hope. Damn, it was so close ten minutes ago!
  • :'(
  • More wait. Less soon.
  • It would have been funny if the 1020 got Windows 10 today, but no other phones did. 
  • Disappointed I even have a 1020
  • Guys, if you want get or try technical preview win 10 for your 1520,, read this link (http://wmpoweruser.com/new-hack-delivers-windows-mobile-10-technical-pre...)
  • Ok
  • Not okay. Reasoning is fine, but its inexcusable to leave so many people waiting only to tell them this right after they say WP10 TP is releasing today. They look like jerks. There is zero chance they just found this out today. They probably knew for weeks, months. So why say nothing until the day of?
  • Exactly!
  • ^This. They drummed up hype for three weeks (and even then many have been on the edge of their seats with the "after the Super Bowl" statement) only to exclude a portion of the market that I think most expected to actually receieve this TP. They could have said "early testing for low end so expect the first roll-out to be for those users." Done. That's it.
  • Anybody who follows this website knows - MS clearly stated earlier that only a small subset of devices will get the initial release of W10 for phones. The only question remaining was which ones get it - most people believed high end devices will get it before the entry level ones, but they did the reverse and supported snapdragon 400* based devices to start with. Just chill, I have a L1520 and will wait out - if you want W10 so bad, get a cheap , used 635 from Craigslist and you are all set.
  • Agreed. They already said that only small subset of devices will be eligible for the first batch. And by common sense, newer devices tend to have greater compatibility with newly developed OS. No need to rage over this.
  • Can't say I'm surprised, but very disappointed. So I just ordered 635 just so I can try this out, and a backup phone's never hurt anyone. Good old 920 being my daily driver I would've installed TP on it even knowing the risks.
  • And, as well, that's why it's called a Technical Preview. If it was called alpha, beta or consumer preview then it would be available for all phones. And it was more than obvious they would first release for the low to mid range phones, this is where the majority of their actual and future customers are. If it can work in a low configuration it's no problem adjusting to a high one.
     
  • Well, your logic is insanely flawed; because the TECHNICAL PREVIEW runs on ANY PC. Nice try though mate.
  • I'm sorry but your logic is flawed. Technical preview can run on any Lumia. If you follow this website you'd know why few devices are eligible for the preview. Its not because other devices cant run the preview. Its because they cant go through the normal install procedure due to lack of ability in partition sizing (which they are sorting out) Joe belfiore was using the technical preview on a Lumia 1520 in a video, and at the windows 10 conference. The Lumia 1520 is mot included in the list of eligible devices for this first release.
  • It's not "my logic", it's the very definition of "Technical Preview". It may be available only for some, MAY BE. For computers it's available for "all" because they just need to support x86 and x64 architectures and it's done. For phones it's a whole new level of difficulties, like as Belfiore has already explained that there is something preventing them to release to all phones. The point is that as a Technical Preview it means that they have no obligations to deliver to all.
      But I'm just being idiot trying to explain rationally a definition in the internet.
  • True. I am not in a hurry though. Me and my 1520 are just a bit disappointed now. But i just can't comprehend why there are so many jerks out there cursing MSFT....
  • You're mad because they didn't inform you about technical hurdles in the release of a preview software? It's not like you absolutely needed the preview because your phone doesn't work anymore.
    An OS isn't easy to make, especially for phones. Give them time. -_-
  • I'm just sitting back, popcorn in tow. The sense of entitlement is unsurprising.
  • What? They are tortoise.
  • People would have bitched about this too
  • They didn't drum up hype. The community did that with the insane predictions and wish-lists. Microsoft has only ever given us feedback where it was desired. It would have been better for them to keep their mouths shut, but then it would seem as if they weren't doing anything.  So now, they gave us hints and clues and are releasing as promised but not in the fashion people assumed.  Even if your phone did qualify, based on your words, I would venture that you'd be the first to complain when TP experienced some sort of bug - despite the fact it is clearly a TP.  This isn't RTM for God's sake.  Save your grief for when AT&T, Verizon, etc, don't release RTM for months and months after Microsoft makes it GA and not CTP.
  • ^ preach. I've been following Gabe's Twitter feed and comments on this site for a while and I'm convinced 90% of WP fans are mentally retarded. These tantrums and stomping of the feet and weird persecution complex just isn't stuff that a normal grown ass man does. 
  • We need more people like you here. Kudos. 
  • MS: "you can't have it yet" Mentally retarded person: "oh, ok" Grown ass person: "i think it's time to overreact and put a thick layer of rationalisation on top"
  • Agreed. Kudos man. There should be more people like you on this site. I said exactly the same thing as you when Cortana was only released for the U.S.
  • This. People are sometimes so ungrateful Posted via Windows Phone Central App for Android!
  • Kanye West it's more than just sometimes ungrateful it's mostly ungrateful children on here that obviously don't need to own a smart phone... I hate reading the comments and my mind is just bedazzled by negativity that bling blings like a Jesus piece on a rapper neck ... Windows10 for phones is the chain with the real diamonds(canary) yellow yet these chiren on herrr complaining about quality they must like fake chains mayne Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • They shouldn't have released an open beta at all. And I'm sure they never will again thanks yo all the whiners here.
  • Haha. But I do like to participate in all kinds of beta tests... I guess for OS is particularly tough...
  • I agree that the overall response has been a little ungreatful (I'll admit that I was pretty pissed when I found out that my 929 was uncompatible), but I think that the feedback is way too important for them to nix the whole beta idea.
  • ^this
  • Ah shaddup.
  • FInally someone speaking some sense. Bunch of freaking whiners here. I'm almost ashamed to be a member of this site based on how people behave.
  • This very thing keeps me from coming here very often. I used yo visit multiple times a day, bit things have gotten pretty bad in these comments, so I go elsewhere, where the WP community isn't so toxic.
  • True. A year ago I used to visit WPCentral daily to read windows phone news AND read the comments. Then overtime I've started to notice that the community getting, well lets be honest here, the community is getting more and more retarded.    "+520", "first", "seems faster", bashing and hating on developers and MS empleyees? Jesus Christ! What has happened here?!
  • Unlike fake high-profile 'betas', for instance the recent Battlefield 4 "beta", the Windows 10 preview is actually a real test build. They want to start off with few devices, as well as the parition thing, because it makes it easier to identify bugs. Also, it means the testing pool is smaller, which is good at this point in development.
  • Two possibilities. 1) they either planned this and just don't know how to set expectations properly. Or 2) at the last minute they realized this partition switching feature would not be ready and didn't have time to reset expectations.
  • Or they are doing everything according to plan and you didn't read when they said the preview would only roll out to select devices at first.
  • So you're voting for number one.  Cool.
  • No, they didn't do anything wrong in setting expectations. It's you who got your hopes up too high for a preview. You should have known not all devices were going to get it.
  • First, a vague statement about "not all devices" is not setting expectations.  Second, most people figured they meant only Nokia devices - again they could have been more clear.  Third, you can see by the flury of replies to all the articles around the web today that a huge group of people had the wrong expectations.  That's MS's fault. With all that said, I don't particularly care.  My original comment was to highlight that the second option is a likely occurrence in software roll-out.  A mitigation plan to get something out for some people.  But the explanation of the actual problem for high-end devices was not revealed until after the fact.  They likely knew this before the superbowl and could have said something. I'll also hazard a guess and say that the partition switching will not be fixed this month.  Otherwise they would have just delayed it altogether for all devices and still could have hit the feb announcement.  Hope I'm wrong.
  • They were treating you like a regular adult and not trying to "manage your expectations" for a rough first preview build. From now on they might realize their users are faggy crybabies who view themselves as victims in everything and will tread lightly like around a hysterical mental patient. Expect very few builds and updates from now on to manage the amount of unbelievable whining from such a small group of shitty users.
  • Thanks.  Now try not being a dick just because you're on the web.
  • There was nothing nebulous at all in the statement that not devices would get the preview. It's simply a matter of a bunch of half witted fanboys who fail at any sense of logic what so ever. 
  • There certainly was a lot of bitching out there.  I was not intending to be lumped into that group with my comment.  But people on the web seem to put people in one bucket or another without really considering their point of view.  Whatever makes you feel good.
  • It is rather pointless to argue about MS' actions, and possible failures, on this site. Better to a) do it elsewhere, b) focus on the positive (like W10 perhaps), or c) switch platforms. Just a suggestion, you may naturally do what you want.
  • They did mention multiple times that the preview would only roll out to select devices at first. There was even an article about it on WC. Even if you didn't read those, it's quite obvious that it would have been like this
  • Yes, there was an article, I believe it said the high end phones would get it first. This is why people are pissed. Also, we were told high end would be first to get denim in December, January, nope - low end went first. Ms set , we expected, they did not deliver... Retailer, people are pissed.
    ...
    Ms knew about this partition shit. That's why they have the plan for 8gb devices, probably akin to this dynamic stitching, using the SD card. Ms could have spoke up even yesterday, but no ooo,
  • You people are so ungrateful and selfish. Firstly, you shouldnt even have this on your phone, its their good will that they let you use the preview and if you dont get it you are complaining. Seriously sometimes I am wondering if your life is spinning around some frickin phone update. 
  • Right? I've seen more people complain on WC than I did on XDA when I was on Android. What is wrong with people? Do they not have lives outside phone OS updates? Did 8.1 suddenly stop working and now everyone needs 10 TP so that their phone boots up again? What is this? It's just a PHONE, FFS. It's supposed to make your life easier instead of taking over it, no? I have so many questions.
  • Wait till it rocks someone's phone, then they will really complain
  • This^^, I've been too busy to care about eating these few weeks... Not to mention a technical preview.... Just can't understand people's rage...
  • Ummm, they did say it would start on limited devices..... Lol Where do these people come from?
  • They told us they wouldn't be releasing to all devices.
  • It's inexcusable?  Seriously?  MS is giving us a true preview build for the first time ever on phone and people are whining because they didn't get it? If you've followed what has been said here or seen what Paul Thurrott and Mary Jo Foley have said for WEEKS then this is no surprise.  I recall Mary Jo stating more than two weeks ago on Windows Weekly that a smaller subset of phones would get the Technical Preview for phone FIRST.  So they did say something because MJ asked about it.  They may not have known exactly which phones until more recently.  Even so, MS is giving us the earliest looks of an OS that we've ever seen on a phone.  They've been letting us in the the overall design of Windows 10 and doing it for no cost out of our own pockets and yet some segment feel entitled or ill used?  Usually we would just be waiting until September.  I find it hard to really complain about MS on this subject.  They made Preview for Developers available to give enthusiasts a way to thwart the carriers.  They do a huge public beta for Windows 10 about a year away from launch.  They launch W10 for phones around 6 months before release.  Maybe some of us have to wait a few weeks (I have a One M8 for Windows, the last flagship released for Windows Phone), but I'll be patient with them because I'm entitled to NOTHING right now. Microsoft let people know through the media.  If you didn't pay attention, that's not MS' fault.
  • I totally agree, I have the ATIV S so I'm in the same boat as you. We will get the preview but later than others and that comes with an added benefit, we'll get a more stable build with more features included.
  • Fine, they admitted there was a subset... But I read here, on this site, it would be the high end and 830, etc. Therein lies the anger. Poor execution.
  • You mean this article? http://www.windowscentral.com/first-wave-windows-10-phone-preview-likely... It was WCentral who speculated that high end phones would get the Tech Prev first based on internal data, NOT MICROSOFT. MS never actually said they were to release TP on high end phones first. What poor execution are you talking about? Poor execution on speculating? Jesus..
  • Yes. I get what you're saying regarding who said what. Yet, wc always says they vet their articles for accuracy, MS reads their site, blah, blah. Point is, I said it was in wc, and there it is. Mix the whole bag, including denim and sure people are pissed. Thanks for finding it..jesus
  • Also, MS, as many have said today, could have mentioned which phones themselves were to get insider.
  • Then join the Apple camp and enjoy their techical previews if you don't like the way Microsoft handles this preview.
  • This is a beta, they never said every phone would get it in the program.  I suppose if they did give it to your phone, and your phone bricked, you would blame them as well.
  • This is very unusual for them to release a preview this early. Under normal dev, no one would have a preview until it was available for more models. Its not that you are getting something late, those with these models are just getting something extra early.
  • ... and extra unstable and broken ;-P
  • Seriously? How entitled are you people? They clearly said over and over it would only be for a very small sub-set as it is a Technical Preview as opposed to a Dev Preview. It's like we always need to complain about something. Had they released it only for the 1520 and Icon, the community would cry foul that low-end devices couldn't participate in the early preview. Now that it's the other way around, we're complaining that they look like jerks for teasing us because they "had to know earlier"?
    Of course they knew earlier... but should they have said "Low-end device users, we've got a surprise for you!"? The negativity these days is getting to be too much to handle. They're giving an unprecedented level of early access to an OS upgrade and all we can do is spit in their eye.
  • Because they are cunts.
  • Have you looked in the mirror lately?
     
  • What exactly is your problem? Did you buy a new product and now its delivery is delayed? Did you expect the TP to be a finished product? Were you promised to be first in line when a preview comes out? I'm appalled by some of the childish comments.
  • DaveGx, I'll bet you complained about all your Christmas presents too, didn't you.
  • Saw that in the blog but cant understand
  • The Windows 10 image its bigger (but will shrink at install) and the OS partition is too small on some phones. They are working on a feature to resize that partition
  • Thanx.. (:
  • Think of it as the same sort of functionality as being able to resize partitions in Windows 7/8.1 but done dynamically.
  • Commercially speaking this hurts to me like sand in the eye, or a cactus in the axx
  • A preview is not a commercial product. Nobody promised to you that you were entitled to participate in the preview. And now, go tell mommy that you are hurt ...
  • Any excuse is good
  • Well, they could have said something to this affect yesterday. Manage the hype so that people now this is a very limited release.
  • They actually said a while ago that it was going to be rolled out to a small selection of devices first with a gradual increase to include more.
  • I would argue that many assumed the high end would take precedence and that further tinkering would bring availablity "down" to the mid and low range devices. It's smart in that more people own the listed devices than the few high-end phones, though they should have been a little clearer on what to expect of that range.
  • Exactly...
  • Top to bottom seems like more "rational" way to go IMO. Lower end devices are more simple so it makes sense to first try it out with them and gradually broaden supported devices to ones with more features to cover
  • Nothing to do with rationality, it's a technical issue. But then, I understand why you would like to be the first in line; nobody is more important than you.
  • I wish they gave us the actual list of devices before this week, so the rest of us didn't have to get excited for no reason. Now, not only are we disappointed, but we have no idea when we will actually get the preview. All they said was that preview for phones was coming in February, and it just did.
  • Well they are cunts.
  • But say what the fuckin devices were, this was the problem .
  • MS doesn't owe you an excuse. Who do you think you are?
  • Fascinating. Thanks for sharing the insight.
  • Have a close look at Joe calendar appointment in previous post's video -
    Team Kora
    Xdevice
    Spartan proposal
    Built-in inking
    XBOX integration last but not the least hair appointment (comeon its joe :P )
  • nice job Sherlock!
  • Cool
  • Spartan proposal... May be joe is gonna propose the name Spartan for Project Spartan ;).. WC toll did work atlast :p
  • And the being a cunt appointment.
  • Lol
  • Anyone Plz. Explain
  • The Windows 10 image its bigger (but will shrink at install) and the OS partition is too small on some phones. They are working on a feature to resize that partition
  • People are upset because MS should have said this long ago and been straight forward. Instead they stayed quiet which is big communication mistake imo
  • Yeah, I feel like I'd be less upset if they told me a week ago that my Lumia 820 wouldn't receive this build... Instead of making everyone excited and telling us AFTER announcing it.
  • Exactly
  • Agree..
  • So why did you get excited then? Nobody said that the 820 would get TechPrev today, right? You just ASSUMED and HOPED you'd get it but MS never actually said it would get updated today.  In short you're telling us that you're upset because you guessed it wrong. What a weird boy.
  • I have to agree with you on this. Luckily, I have the 830. :)
  • I Agree with you... I think its a lack of respect with us..
  • Let's not take it that far, I mean... -_-
  • Lack of respect? Jesus what is this, a gathering of old women. Grow a set of balls and stop playing the victim card. A multi-billion dollar international corporation is building a new OS and is releasing sneak previews of the work in progress as they go along. That's it, stop fucking reading into it.
  • No, they should not have said this long ago, and they are being completely transparent. You guys have to remember that they are opening their doors to us for the first time ever to basically be involved in the development process. In the past, you wouldn't have gotten a hint of what was going on until months from now. So please, be patient, appreciate the fact that they are letting us in this early, and trust the fact that they are trying to get it out to us just as soon as they can. There are limitations and realities that have to be dealt with.
  • Yes they should have. Merely stating a while back which phones will and will not get the preview in February would have done wonders. Communication is all we are asking for. That is the definition of transparency.
  • The point is, they might not have known a while back which devices would be ready to receive the update today. Perhaps they were waiting to see where they got with the partition stitching feature by now. This is the cost of being involved in the insider program and development process in general. We're getting information as real-time as they can give it, so you will need to keep your own expectations in check.
  • That would only be ok if they just got the list of phones today and that is very unlikely. As soon as they knew they should have spoken about it to temper expectations. They have been clear about it being buggy, they have been clear about low end phones likely missing features. So why not be clear about who could test it? Makes 0 sense.
  • It also makes 0 sense that some people whine and squeel like a piggy because they assumedthat their phones would get updated, even when they were already informed ahead of time that NOT ALL DEVICES would get TP on the first day. 
  • You saw the article, that just adds to the fervor. You can't deny it.
  • Krayziehustler nailed it. I'm not upset that my 1520 isn't in the list, but feel that they should have posted the list prior to today. That seems obvious to me. But I'm ok since I have no intention of upgrading to WP10, but am excited to get Denim.
  • If you had know earlier that your phone isn't on the list would you have posted a comment to say that you are happy to know you are not on the list?
  • How are they being transparent? They should have said this before rolling out the preview.
  • You guys are unbelievable. Even if they did tell you earlier that you weren't getting the update for a while, you would have still moaned about it here.
  • Exactly. This is "real" testing. Even things like Cortana have reduced functionality in the preview while they develop things.
  • I agree with you, besides I have a Lumia 1520 too but I will wait...
  • People like you are nothing but apologists. No one can dare question or not praise MS. Pathetic.
  • If you look at my comment history, I'm far from an apologist. In fact, my last comment on this site before today was regarding my feeling strung-along as a WP user, forever hoping that the OS would finally be what we were always hoping it could be. I'm simply rational. You will either understand that or you won't. You will either understand that this is a preview program where users should manage their own expectations, or you will continue to blame everybody else for not catering to your every whim. Microsoft has a company to run. They need to make sure their software is working on as many of their devices as possible, and there is a logical approach to that process. The danger of the insider program to Microsoft's reputation is that consumers like you who do not have an understanding of the software development process will feel spurned from time to time because you expect more than can be delivered at a given stage of the process. I'm a very open-minded person that appreciates alternate perspectives, but you damn well better have something more thoughtful than that to say.
  • So many whiners and so many are wrong. They did say it would inititially be released on limited devices. MANY TIMES.   And it's a beta.....If people are going to be this critical they shouldn't even be in the insider program.
  • But they damn well knew which ones and could have said so.
  • They probably didn't.... Testing is a variable and February isn't over yet.....
  • go tell mommy ....
  • They already told us that a limited number of phones would get the preview, and nobody cares if you're upset. Get over yourself. 
  • Thank you, we are upset because we are all passionate about MS the one simple detail should have been shared a long time ago, their failure to recognize that fact prior, is annoying.
  • It doesn't matter which point they told you your phone wouldn't be eligible, you would have cried either way.
  • Your not very bright are you? Your sentence makes no sense. Cried if my phone was or wasn't included?? Does not take an Einstein to count the overwhelming number of negative comments here re poor MS communication and the stupidy of doing their demos with a 1520.
  • I wouldn't start putting people down. The fact is that everyone was told many times that it would be released on limited devices. The number of negative comments is no different here than seeing the ignorant responses on msn.com toward political and race issues. Ignorance is still ignorance and unfortunately you are placing yourself into that category. Yes, people are pasionate about the product and that is a great thing, but don't bitch and whine about what has occured, make positive statements that encourage the results that you are trying to envoke.
  • Hey internet police, why don't you re-read all the replies that the person you are basically siding with, MarkusDickhead, has posted then maybe you'll change your responses to other people and maybe focus on bashing that useless waste of sperm. Or, continue as you will. Your call chief.
  • chipeast, it really is a punish that guys are making comment on other guys without first, reading what they are saying, understanding what they are saying, then making relevant comment. Let me try for the last time and how bout you stopping and thinking then before you answer. MS exclusively used a 1520 (aka930 sames specs) in ALL their demonstrations, they created a EXPECTATION nobody has any problem with any of this, however they read the endless comments of what EXPECTATION they had created. All this was built up 2 months prior, blind Freddy should have read this better, it would have taken the tiniest comment to diffuse prior to the day. Most of us revere Microsoft for their commitment, talent and history. We lament MS does endlessly NOT learn how to market what they do, you can whine about us all you like, but without us calling them out on stupid mistakes they would not learn either. If we are so wrong, why are the blogs FULL of angered people? We are not the enemy, without passionate people Microsoft mobile is lost. Lastly if you still don't get it let me give you an analagy, Microsoft can't create massive hype leading into the Superbowl then go and plonk down a Hockey team.
  • Wow, hopefully you have been drinking. I read what you said and although it is very hard for anyone to understand, I responded in a rational way. A lot more than I can say for you... For someone that is trying to be clear, you have failed. Lol They said over and over that it would be on limited devices, get over it....
  • Then it is sad you can't read either, Maryloo the troll..In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]
  • You bitch and whine and when someone responds to you, telling you that you would be mad either way. You respond to that person with personal attacks. My only point was that everyone was told many times that it would be on limited phones. I told you to not call people names and now the attack is on me. You my friend, should read your posted description of a troll.
  • Do you read anything? I respond exactly in like to attacks on me. Still you fail to read my complaint. Still. There seems to be a subset of MS fans like you who cannot deal with a negative response to something stupid MS did, instead resorting to verbal abuse and worse not even having the decency of id ing who you are. You are the very definition of a troll, and can't deal with it. Read back up the comments if you have to, the only people i called dumb was MS then others after I was attacked. So let the world and me ask again, who are you?
  • I am Chip Easter. What is posted is my user ID. Sorry that I have to explain that to you. Your very first comment was inflammitory to someone that simply said, you would have been upset no matter when they told you. You said to that person "You aren't very bright are you". No one had attacked you then, that was the beginning of your little rant here on this forum. You need to go back and read your own comments. You are consistantly incorrect in what you post on here and you constantly tell people they aren't very bright. I think you need to step back and take a breath. You can also stop referring to yourself as "we", and "the world".
  • Still can't read up huh? 'you would have cried anyway' ring a bell
  • "wow, hopefully you have been drinking." hmm maybe i stop with the we when you stop with the lol's, bitch and whines, ignorance is still ignorance, you my friends, get over it, on and on. You spend your whole time telling me what i have to do. Newsflash, I don't have to do anything. Pompous, that you think you know everything and spend your time bashing me with your opinion, because i had the audacity to call out MS.
  • "i wouldn't start putting people down" yet you have done nothing but.
  • Get over it.
  • They love being cunts. They love fucking their user base over. Joe should be fired.
  • Lol
  • So is the 920 not configured with the OS stitching partition?
  • Not yet
  • No phone is yet. The feature is not finished.
  • Need some "twist and flick". maybe some wingardium leviiosa? :D
  • Verbain
  • Thankfully the OS stitching is a software feature so maybe we 920 user will get Windows 10 once is implemented.
  • Wow, Harry Potter is using a 920? To cast "Avada Kedavra"?
  • no device does yet. it sounds as if unless your device came with 8.1 out of the box, the OS partition may be too small/tight for the tech preview (which will probably be nailed with constant updates)
     
  • Using 630 and still considering :(
  • I would stay away from it if that's your only phone.
  • I was right on the money with my guess. c:
  • You got me man ! My 1020 is left alone
  • Agree
  • Thanks for this story, maybe the forums won't be filled with whiners now.
  • It's not about who got it, or why got it, it's about those who didn't.
  • Exactly.
  • They don't have to give you anything. The OS releases in the fall, anything free before that you should be grateful for.
  • Not a chance! Just look at the comments already. People, this is a TECHNICAL PREVIEW! You're getting a look into the Microsoft development and test processes. Stop expecting Microsoft to give you everything, all the time, before it is even ready for release! Take what they are able to trickle out with gratitude and quit acting like a collection of over-privileged spoilt whiners!
  • Really
  • Lumia 525 is clearly high-end
  • I'm satisfied with their approach and this answer. Let's be patient people, we have a lot to look forward to and they're not asking very much of us.
  • But you know people aren't patient.
  • I get their reasoning, but what I cannot accept is how they handled it. Had they come out with this statement two weeks ago they would have kept a ton of users from anticipating this build. It's like they are allergic to properly communicating at this company.
  • If they had said it two weeks ago they would have likely sold a few more of the low end phones.
  • It's more like you're allergic to thinking with your brain, they told us that a limited amount of phones would be eligible for the preview. 
  • And yet did all their previewing on 1520's i will reiterate, dumb.
  • YOU are dumb for thinking the 1520 would get the preview, it doesn't matter if that particular phone was used to demo the OS. 
  • Markus are you married to Aul? Way to hit me with a come back. "you are dumb"  no "you are dumb" get out much?
  • Read some of my comments to this troll in some of the other article's comments and you will then realize why this idiot is the way he is.
  • Sometimes i wonder if trolls are company employees, they defend stupidity and fire out name calling like 2 year olds. Not to mention 2day old memberships.
  • You Terry, are a troll.... Look at your own comments.
  • Your not very bright are you? Keep reading up numb knuckle and like this response you will see it is in response to a troll. I can assume you can read ....right? Not to mention trolls never ever use their name and photo, Mr chipeast, blank image.
  • You have nothing positive in any of your comments... You are the only one calling people names..
  • Only after the personal attacks on me , Maryloo. Not sure what to call you as you have no name or picture, therefore you are irrelevent as a typical troll.  In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]
  • You shoud read that description... let it sink in.
  • shoud????? I. Ok if you can't spell your name I gather I am expecting too much.
  • Oh my gosh a typo. Are you going to attack me again?
  • You should read your other posts. LOL "analagy"? "It really is a punish"? "MS does endlessly NOT learn how "? "angered people"? At least I only failed to hit the "L" key hard enough. hahahahaha wow
  • Hello, my name is Terry Crowdey and you are ????
  • Thank you, agreed, pitiful handling.
  • Yes I agree, they really are a bunch of cunts.
  • Lol, keep going
  • You got a very poor vocabulary, man. Better learn some more words, it's getting boring.
  • @omagic: and what have been your reaction if you had known 2 weeks ago that you are not on the list? Two more weeks of whining and ranting?
  • Heartbroken.. Excitement tuned down.. Well I wont be that much excited when 1020 actually gets supported
  • Yeah, I mean it is not like if you are going to get a much more polished version of the new OS. That is definitely not exciting... /sarcasm off
  • There is always an excuse and a "tech" reason. The true is, who most invested in the platform, is out of the party...
  • .-. wat
  • For now.
  • The tech reason in this case is that they are building an operating system and they can't give you what they haven't built yet. Jesus with the entitlement, how many times does it have to be said that normally you wouldn't even know these builds exist, right now they have it working on a small number of phones and all you can do is bitch and moan.
  • wow really.  It doesnt mater that theres a reson like back up partition space why its not on their flagship phones, it maters because as a huge company they shouldnt be releasing a tech preview before they can at minimun suport their  flagship device (flagship is the device they consider to hold their windows phone reputation on with the high specs and design), the one where most big win tech fans will be on, its also likely that those very people like to mess with their phones and experiment with stuff, and like android and iphone users when a tech preview comes out (like developer ) you need to support the flagship device.  You basicly saying fu to flagship users, call that over reacting but thats what it feels like sat here with my 930.  So yeh if your old phone costing 50-80 pounds can be the first to run preview tech win 10 and my 450 pound phone cant then yes im moaning and complaining.  I want windows to do well be over the last 2-3 years its been mistake after mistake in pr, win 8.1 phone is awsome but it isnt doing as well as it could because of terrible pr and doing this is showing people that your not changing, i love the phone to much im not leaving just yeat lol but im very unhappy over this, 2-3 more incidents like this and itll be hello iphone again.  Just like screw u go get a 360 turned to well im a ps4 owner now.  I want their phone to be number one cause it deserves to be but they need to be beter than the competitionand they need to be seen being better to the customer, this in my opinion doesnt do that.
  • Wow, what a business plan! Are you running your own company?
  • im afraid i dont and i consider myself a idiot when it comes to business plans, thats why what microsoft do is so fustrating, its like they are making a business plan and listing the things not to do for some college or university [paper, disertation lol.).  I love windows products so much but they have what i consider possibly the worst marketing stratagy i have ever seen up till now.  I think a idot like myself can even see that.  Lets face it if they waited for t lumia 930 their flagship to suport the tech preview that time waiting the public would be no wiser but then 930 ownes like me wouldnt be upset.
  • Thanks for the info.
  • Mwahiahiahia
  • 830 downloading
  • Let me know how it works! I have the 830 too. :)
  • Wow, 830? That's a lot of risk. I've installed it on my 630, though.
  • Happy April Fools Day to all the high end Lumia Lovers Enjoy
  • Cheers!
  • "April fools motherfuckers!!" - Cunts at Microsoft
  • Lol
  • gz on the language you myust be proud.
  • For those that get to try it? How is the performance in the first build? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • My phone has a disc?
  • Where do you think it stores everything?
  • MAGIC
  • Only newer devices got update older devices r not getting when we get on our older devices..
  • The 1520 has an sd card slot though.
  • Omg I hope Nokia Lumia 928 gets the build soon!
  • Lumia 535
  • That makes sense, all of the listed devices share the sane CPU, the Snapdragon 400 (I think)
  • Lost me
  • Well Daniel bring us a video demonstrating features of w10.. That would do some help.. Really feeling sad
  • They've just posted it.
  • I can wait. Good job Microsoft!
  • They should've mentioned that long ago instead of leading us on..... Like "sheeps"!! He he he
  • Yep. Cunts they are.
  • This is such a wierd mix of the old MS and new MS. New MS is allowing enthusiast and technically inclined people to join in early in the process instead of obfuscating and being stubborn (think, Windows Longhorn), but it's such an old MS thing to be cryptic and withhold this information until the last second while simultaneously disappointing a lot of folks. I know that I'll be able to get the Win10 TP on my One soon, but it would've been nice to know it wouldn't be in the first wave.
  • I agree, they really are a bunch of cunts.
  • agreed
  • it would've been nice to know it wouldn't be in the first wave.
    You know it now! What's the difference?
  • Fair enough, but say it before you hype us all up!!!!! Idiots Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • So you are telling me that I have a 1520 with 32GB and all my music and pics are in an SD card but they did not leave enough space in the phone internal storage for an OS update in the appropriate partition? Heh, OK!   Yeah I am a bit bitter and jealous. The explanation does make sense and it is understandable that they didn't expect going over a certain size. We'll just wait. I just hope it is not 'months'. :P   In the meantime, come on Denim!!!
  • On the other side, you get later builds and you'll get less bugs. :p
  • Ha! Yep I thought about that as well, always a silver lining. :D
  • There can be an infinite amount of space on your phone but the way WP (and almost every other OS) works is that it creates a separate partition in the disk on your phone to store the OS. Since Windows 10 is a major update, they need a lot more space within that specific partition to temporarily store installation files. The phones supported are the ones that already had a big enough partition to begin with. The other ones will need a software fix that allows Windows 10 to temporarily increase the size of that partition to install the OS. It is a simple fix but a necessary one. If they don't do this right, you'll very likely lose all the data on your phone. I don't get the whining here. You're getting an early sneak peek into an unreleased OS. Be bloody grateful instead of acting like privileged little brats. It'll come for other phones too, go get a life till then.
  • Who's whining? My post was tongue in cheek but I guess it was too much for you too understand. Your whole explanation is probably better served for other people since I stated I know what is going on.   Or maybe you like whining about supposed whining. Maybe you need to get a life, or a brain, who knows.
  • Those cunts are treating you like a fool.
  • Jesus you spoilt brats, stop your whinging! It's awesome that it's even released today! FFS learn patience will you? Do you want a silver spoon as well?!
  • I am cringing the most over comments like, "sad" and "heartbroken" and "my 1020 is left alone". So much secondhand embarrassment for these people. Sometimes i feel bad for MS, they have to listen to so much complaining even when they're doing such a good deed by letting users get a feel of the new OS and giving feedback. This community is really immature. I am shocked today.
  • 620?
  • 620 is a nice phone!
  • Disappointed. Microsoft should've been clear about the devices to be supported before building up this huge excitement around the release.
  • It's not like they're not going to offer it for other phones. It'll come when its ready for them. It's really dense to expect you to get a beta OS in perfect working condition on time. Be grateful you're getting to try it out at all. If this was Apple, they'd say "tough luck"
  • Should have, but they prefer to be cunts.
  • they should be suporting ther flagship first before every other device at evey stage, prety much what all companies but microsoft seem to be doing.  Lets not do this so shortly after the windows phonw 7 debacle plse microsoft.  I know you resently had a reshuffle and remover4-6000 employees but i think you missed some in the marketing and pr.  Also if your gona stream a preview or anything else make sure you can suport or just do a finished video on you tube.  Oh and use joe for the main presentation hes very good in front of the camera and definatly worth exploiting.
  • But it works on Joe's 1520....... SMH
  • He demoed bits that work. Obviously.
  • How did he get it on there?
  • Maybe he works for Microsoft or something.
  • Lmaoooo!
  • lol
  • That cunt should be fired.
  • you weana sack the one guy that talks sense and looks great infront of the camerasd? really dude.  No offence to other microsoft staf but joe was the best thing about the win 10 prieverw stream.
  • they said they dont wana brick phones matey thats basicly the reason 1520s dont have it.
  • Should have communicated that awhile ago. It may have clamped down on the frustration a bit. The least they could do now is commit to a date to release for high-end devices. Of course, being that the high-end device owners tend to be the most loyal, this makes zero sense anyway to alienate them like this. I like to defend Microsoft but the communication here was terrible.
  • Alienate? I do not feel alienated. I feel very much a part of this process. My feedback has all been taken into account and MS is constantly seeking input. Gave has been aces in response to concerns expressed. And, his response here is perfectly reasonable for us high end device users. I am extremely satisfied with this process so far.
  • Gabe has been aces... Not gave.
  • 730 can't see the update. Am I alone?
  • ...and here I thought my phone(Lumia 635) would be one of the devices left out in the cold because of my unfortunate 512mb of ram footprint.  Here to hoping that this doesn't brick my phone =D
  • 525 pls pls pls pls pls
  • Can anyone be more specific about partition stitching?
  • I can only speculate on this, but in my experience with flashing new ROMs on Android, if your system partition is too small, you will only be able to fit ones that are a certain size on it. They have multiple Google Apps packages that vary in size because of this. Some devices you can flash the full sized one with all Google apps into the system partition and some you have to use the micro size one and install the rest into the data one through the store.   I'm assuming that Microsoft is talking about some functionality that allows this system partition to be increased in order to expand the size for devices with ones that are currently too small. Again, that's just my assumption but it makes sense from how they explained it.
  • I don't understand why Lumia 730 is included and 735 is not. They are the same but 730 have dual sim (not supported yet). Not bad, i'll wait for next build!
  • Seems reasonable to me. Patience, Darren, patience...
  • Hey Darren! I know you from Twitter and Instagram! How are those barns and prairies?
  • Pathetic
  • Any idea when? And will the US L925 be included?
  • what about lumia 920 ?
  • We're thinking of that too.
  • we have been waiing for a long time and now this , it suck 
  • i feel you, brother. >_
  • 521 high-end confirmed c; (I had to wait for Cyan, I've got lots of patience left.)
  • No preview available on my 830 UK
  • will win10 be for Lumia 520? or it's too old? (I have wp 8.1 and an update of wp 8.1 (named Denim))
  • Great but why not tell us before. Why the secrecy. What did they expect. If they said only these phones xyz will get the preview in Feb the sad sacks like me wouldn't have been checking since Feb 1st on my 930. Disappointing really.
  • I'm sure nothing for Indian 1020 users .. No Denim or 10 ..! :D after few months cell phone division sold to other company.. ! :D :D "Story of my Life "!
  • American 1020 users have no Denim or Win10TP either.
  • Dont mean to be picky here but isnt the 1020 older than the phones on the support list.  If so then i understand why your  waiting for 10, and well denum maybe it wont work on the 1020, my iphones were all forced to be updated to new ios and each time they caused my phones to prety much become unusable if older than 2 years.
  • Sounds like the drive is partitioned with OS at a fixed value. They need to expand the OS partition to make it bigger to allow the update to install. For example a 32 GB drive and the Operating system is partitioned to only use 2 GB. The rest is for user storage. They need to expand that partition to 3 GB to make room for the update. At least that's my understanding.
  • Yet, Joe Belfiore is using a 1520 in the walkthrough video. Go figure
  • I think the joes and the others manually flashed windows 10 to the 1520 via the nokia utilities. for public use you need the installer working.
  • Biggest disappointment of the year. Video doesn't even show anything new. No wonder ios and android dominate.
  • ...it's a preview...what on earth did you expect!
  • There. Now quit your moaning, all you self entitled whinestrels.
  • Every misstep I ask WTH MS, do you even give a crap about your own products.....MS screwed the poooch again...Gabe and Joe B should be fired, immediately for their poor decision making.    
  • STFU
  • made a profile just to comment did ya?  dont like accountability?   
  • Yes he did. You hit the nail on the head. This guy is a troll, a cancer to the community that needs to be banned.
  • It will be completed in 2016 right? Shit !
  • Swerve again. Lol
  • At least we get an explanation! :)
  • What About The Recovery Tool?
  • The issue (at least for me) isn't having to wait a little longer. It's that everyone reasonably assumed the 1520 would be in the first round. Microsoft could have easily put that list out a week or more ago. Saved a lot of this backlash. Instead we get a http://i.imgur.com/dJqCxvx.jpg moment.
  • How do you know they didn't decide that the stitcher still needed more work this morning?  It's not that hard to imagine.  I guess they should hold it back for everyone though so as not to harm 930/1520 owners' sense of self-importance.
  • My 520 is higher end :P and 830 is lower end :P .. Downloading on 830
  • Seems reasonable to me but Paul Thurott is in full meltdown mode on Twitter. #FirstWorldProblems
  • Thurott is a nut job.
  • So how long is the wait for 1520 users? Weeks or later or tomorrow?
  • This is not an excuse. they shouldn't release it that much early. very bad decision from microsoft. very bad.... what is the percentage of people using 63x, 730 and 830? also whats the percentage power users from the whole preview users (so much).
  • Till yesterday 830 was a flagship(affordable though). Now when windows 10 came, it became JUST a mid range phone!
  • Is there anyone who is lucky enough to get a hands on so far? ;) just shoot a video for us... You will get minimum of 1 million views for sure.. :D
  • I sure love having the highest end best phone 1520 and still not have denim nor windows 10 snh
  • At this point I'd rather wait for Microsoft to release a flagship with Window 10 built in and let others deal with the bugs. Plus, I bet the Lumia 928 won't be able to upgrade to W10 because of some issue with Verizon...
  • So let us update via pc
  • Chapter 10: A Confusing Mystery ... By Microsoft
  • What's about Lumia 925?
  • Waiting
  • Plz guys make a video of this w10 for phone in your style... Waiting for tour of w10 for phone from WC...
  • It's sad, but true. Windows Phone has a lot of potential, don't get me wrong, but when an os has apps that aren't updated regularly by third party developers, a lack there of apps that all other os's have, and then to always keep your customers in constant limbo, it's not good. To say the least. I'm sure there will be arguments, but windows phone is almost as doomed as Blackberry/RIM as far as smartphones go. Nobody in my area will buy my icon. Windows phone is the black sheep, bastard stepchild of the mobile technology world....todays let down for the tech preview shows a glimpse as to why it holds it place.
  • then they'll report about losing profits.. Hope they wont think why.
  • And now the when for 1520/930/928/.../-830/../-730/.../-630/-../-.../....../520 begings!!
  • No HTC love I bet
  • Dammit
  • Would've been awesome to know before
  • Its a pity we weren't told that already. I mean they most have known. Its getting a little cloak and dagger. But I guess that's it then we just have to wait.
  • I must say I feel punished for buying the higher end phone on this deal... I have a 1520
  • I'm kinda curious why newer devices have a larger partition for the OS than the older ones (520/521, 620, 810/820/822, etc.). Wouldn't they have similar partitioning schemes? Or did the partitioning scheme change for Windows Phone 8.1 devices?
  • It's possible that they knew the partition size requirements would be higher for the next major release and so they started to apply that configuration to more recent devices.  It's also possible that they had encountered challenges by the size limitation during the 8.1 upgrade and decided to avoid further issues with devices going forward.
  • I'm not going to install unfinished OS to my 930 anyways.
  • Sorry MS but this is one of the lamest excuses I have ever heard... "We have to make the OS partition bigger" like you didn't know this months ago. So let's understand your logic, all the people who bought the expensive phones aren't the ones that you want to test your new OS?  The people who went out of their way to pay more for hardware because they like your product, no those aren't the people you want to test the new OS... It's all the people with the throw away phones they got for free... This is utterly rediculous MS, thanks for the slap in the face and I'll be sure to rush out to buy your new flagship phone next time.....
  • Really, grow up.  Go to Android then.  You sound like a 15 year old little brat who has not seen outside his mom's basement for weeks.  This is a beta and let them run it they want to.  In the end the final product you will get.
  • First, that wasn't their plan at all so your rant about their "logic" is completely illogical.  It has nothing to do with expensive vs cheap phones and everything to do with the need to work around a technical limitation of some phone configurations. Second, this is a FREE TECHNICAL PREVIEW.  You aren't entiteled to anything you spoilt little POS.  Other platforms don't have this sort of oportunity at all. Third, it actually makes perfect sense to avoid installing this on your high end phone that you (your parents most likely) paid a lot of money for.  Personally, I think you are pretty foolish to want to install this on something like a 1520 or 930 on day one.  This is BETA software and many apps will not work properly on it.
  • And what would you know about their plans? Exactly... You don't... No one outside the Development team does.
    You keep talking about self entitlement? You're demonstrating the exact same thing you're condemning.
    This is an open forum and EVERYONE is allowed to express how they feel. This isn't north Korea. So please stop. Especially when you go so low as to insult someone because you're grasping at straws with your argument
  • lol. So many people complaining. I think its great on Microsoft's side. For the first time they are hearing us this much. They are making users part of development process. Lets just respect that. I don't know why people are complaining. On other paltforms, or software you don't even get this much. On other phones you don't even get an official update. So give them time. Let them work according to their plan. And after all these are preview builds let them finish it to atleast work properly. If anything goes wrong and they ship a bugged build which makes your phone brick then I guess you will be complaining again. Be excited but give them time.
  • forreal, just stop complaining. many people dont realize that they are running 8.1 with preview for developers and its not even officialy out for their phones! this is a gift from MS guys. I just want to know when the final and public version will be out for phones.
  • Bull shit. Fragmentation at its best.
  • Fragmentation is not a term that applies to a TECHNICAL PREVIEW.  They just don't have the installation process completed for phones with certain configurations yet.  Frankly, I thought the list was going to be a lot shorter to begin with.
  • Sounds like fragmentation to me. When you can't release the same update to all devices that support it I think it's fragmentation even if its a preview.
  • I'm at a loss for words. You can't be serious.
  • Well shut the fk up then. Its my comment and I can say what I want. FRAGMENTATION
  • Fragmentation is a term usually used for official supported software.  It is extremely common for BETA software to have specific hardware or software limitations since it is INCOMPLETE.  You can call it fragmentation all you want, but in the end you just sound like a technology illiterate moron.
  • So I have to be called out my name because you disagree. Well fk u and your thoughts and yes ill call it fragmentation. Pig
  • You can use terms incorrectly and you can even get pissed off when people correct you.  You can also continue to post your illogical or incorrect thoughts and continue to look stupid.  Best of luck to you.
  • You're damn right. I can say what I want how I want and look how I look. Fk your opinion. So save it. Fragmentation. And when the official release comes out revisit this you recessive pig. Anymore comments save it for someone who gives a damn about your thoughts.
  • Incorrect thoughts? How dare you. I suppose you're someone who thinks being gay is wrong too or that people with depression need to "Snap out of it". No thoughts are incorrect. Yeah, we might all have different opinions but for you to say that just shows how simple you are.
  • I have no idea what you're talking about. Be depressed if you want and be gay if you want. Your choice and you're clean up. Im not depressed nor gay and ill stay on topic. FRAGMENTATION yes for a developers preview.
  • That was in reply to Clevitt76. not you.
  • Yuo sir, win the Internet for stupid comments,  Please go away you have brought great shame to your family.
  • No you being a genetically recessive pig has brought shame. Fk u
  • Now they tell us....................................
  • Same here. Have a 1520 and... I was punished for buy a highend Phone.
  • Punished how?
  • Rubbish...
  • Not good enough. Completely ridiculous. I'm sitting here following and waiting and playing their games only to be told this now!? They should've revealed this before having people get pumped and excited, before even stirring up excitement on twitter. I just lost a lot of respect for Gabriel and Joe. I had respect for those guys and never burned them about waiting and waiting, never burned them for them doing their jobs and doing it well. But this actually hurts me. I feel totally taken advantage of. Don't have me play games and follow you on twitter and retweet your stuff that doesn't state the die hard fans can't participate, only to lead me up with anticipation only telling me I can't participate AFTER it is launched. Just frikken hurt.
  • There are too many children on this website these days.  Go back to playing your games or go find a real problem to solve.  Drama queen.
  • Likewise bro. Drama queen? Seriously? I didn't insult anyone or start drama. But who is? You're insulting me and others starting an issue but telling me I am a drama queen? You gotta get some education man, I'm sorry to say just being honest.
  • I'm pretty well educated.  Far more than most people, not that it has anything to do with this discussion (except that it's apparently the only random argument you could think of).  You on the other hand are all butt hurt, claiming to be "burned" as a customer, "taken advantage of", and implying that specific people at MS are lacking integrity (so you did insult people), all because you aren't able to install FREE BETA software on your specific phone on day one.  Seriously, re-read your OP and tell me you don't sound like a 12 year old having a temper tantrum because he didn't get a new game console for his birthday.  
  • Education has a lot to do with this if you're calling someone a drama queen while you're the one creating drama. I didn't create drama. I spoke how I felt about what they did. In fact they teach you in school to speak your feelings, not insult the ones who do. You claim you went to school? You can take what I said however you like but if you are educated then you should be taking it exactly as it is said. Don't have me follow your twitter anticipating a launch, playing secret code games. There's no insulting. There's explaining that what they had me do is something I don't appreciate. Education will help you understand the words being said. Whether I am butt hurt or not is irrelevant but a portrayal of feelings. Read above again. Don't lead me up to something I am very excited for if you're not going to let me have it, just too simple to understand that, you don't need education to understand that. You need it to understand the mistake you made. It's all good man. Go solve a problem somewhere else.
  • Its a a bad joke
  • Doesn't matter. A process you could have initiated in the onset. But, no. You give your remaining consumers high expectations and then like before you give us the finger.
    ...
    You could have lessen the disgust by mentioning the compatible phones from the beginning but chose to withhold that vital information for what I can only assume is for publicity. So excuse me, if I don't feel like a consumer that is valued by the repeat offense of exclusivity.
    ...
    And this site wants to talk about "respect" for Microsoft employees. But respect is earned and not freely given. And you've not earned that. This isn't the first time Microsoft has excluded sectors of it's consumer base. And likely not that last.
    ...
    I have stuck with Microsoft for a long time and I do not believe I will continue to do so. When I can afford it, I will be dumping my windows phone which by the way I'm still paying on.
    ...
    To end.. You knew from the beginning which phones it would be released to and which it wouldn't be. You decided to withhold that information to gain media traction at the expense of your naive consumers. I will not be continuing this run around with Microsoft any longer, thanks for crushed expectations.
  • I totally agree with u, I've been defending windows phone 4 years, but this does it 4 me. "IOS" it is then.
  • You're jumping ship because MS didn't deploy a technical preview to every user?
  • No, they're switching (and may be me too after adopting WP from the beginning) because the really bad communication from Microsoft time to time. They keep talking big and loud, raise our hope high as heaven then stomp it down low as hell. That's not funny, really not funny at all. Especially to users who're too hardcore to platform, bought the most high end devices, support it to heart, recommend it to people. And then be left out from everything new (hello Denim and WP10TP). Really, if the Denim or WP10 make us to wait for more months like previous times, then iOS'd be next device. Even when I hate Apple devices, but the hatred toward Android's bigger.
  • As far as I understand, the Denim update is on the shoulders of the carriers. I'm frustrated too but can't really blame MS for playing second fiddle to other OSes in the eye of the carriers. If you're a Windows Insider (a.k.a. a tester), I guess I don't understand why there'd be any hopes. You're volunteering to test. Of course, MS will be excited to announce its availability and hype it, but they're announcing it loudly because social media allows them to show excitement during software development. Furthermore, they're happy to involve the public in testing for a change. In doing so though, testers are still testers. You test when the product is ready.
  • For me its about the fact that they should have communicated this earlier than at launch, and without the frickin games.  Or maybe how about because there mobile software - office, skype, onedrive, etc. is better on the other platforms.  They are cross platforming Cortana.... seriously why stay??  if he goes iOS he gets his updates from apple not the frickin carrier...MS screwed this one up, and honestly Gabe and Joe should be brought to task for the mistake of not waiting a few more weeks and launch to at least some of the high end phones.  
  • I'm a little relieved its not available for the 920 yet. I can't be tempted and get to see everyone else be guinea pigs. It's a perfect scenario :)
  • did microsoft give any estimate on when the retail is coming out for phones? i really want it but i dont have a backup phone and my 1520 is my only and main phone, im not risking it.
  • Why does he say a majority of Lumia phones? Does this mean that not all Lumias will get the update:?(
  • My 735 ain't high-end and still doesn't run Windows 10.
  • I don't think that Lumia 520 will get wp 10 preview
  • All in all a lot of us didn't get the update I have an HTC One M8, but regardless Microsoft never lied or fooled anyone because in the end they still released the Tech Preview OS today, which was intended. Was I excited well hell yeah, but at least they offer a preview!
  • Hope its not 4-6 months....
  • Talk about bitting the hand that feeds u, at least they should have communicated this b4 we all got excited. very disappointed
  • If they'd put a MicroSD card slot on Lumias, this 'stitching' would not be needed. I feel bad for MSFT having to deal with the legacy of lame Nokia product design.
  • My 1520 has a SD slot, but no joy there either.
  • Very very bad communication, as always...
  • Sure.  Releasing a preview of their software to the public (which also allows their competitors to see it as well) several months before it is scheduled to be released is "very very bad communication."  It will be ok though.  Just go ask your mommy to buy you one of the phones on the list.
  • The communication problem is that too many people follow tech blogs and can't decipher the difference between what's meant for tech enthusiasts and what's meant for the public. Microsoft hyped this because the Windows Insider program allows more regular people to get involved in testing, but those people understand the risks of doing so. Windows Central relays that hype because they and many readers are prepared to be testers and do their share: test and provide feedback. Too many people are coming across WC and other sites' stories and treating it like a new public release is supposed to happen and they'll get a shiny new UI.
  • They're good will?! Lol. They NEED this more than we do. Their OS ranks last by a wide margin. They need this to succeed and the last thing they should do is not communicate properly with die hard fans. I'm fine with waiting, but they should've said something to high end owners that there's be a delay for them, period. No way that they just figure out high end phones wouldn't be ready
  • As much as I'm saddened, I understand this system and will patiently wait for 1020 release. Sucks but hey I knew life sucked the moment I became an adult. Patience everyone, we will get to enjoy it soon
  • I love this! I told myself that I will not be among the first testers but I know myself and the temptation would be overwhelming. Since I have a 930 this just fixed all my issues so I can update when it's time for Snapdragon 800 :-)
  • Have all the cheaper phones install it first and see which ones brick out that way. Magneto once said "In Chess, you let the pawns go first". I was going to wait to see the stability before putting it on my 1520 anyways.
  • Partition stitching is not a pawn!
  • Do you guys read the Windows 10 insider forum? It's full of questions, bugs notifications, and all kind of problems are being reported. For sure Windows 10 for phones Insiders will crowd that forum from today on with a full set of bugs reporting, misbehaving phones and all that. I don't wanna have a bad experience as I never had since January 2013 with my beautiful Nokia Lumia 620. So guys don't go rant and cry cause its better to wait for a more stable product by the time they will fix all problems.
  • Thank you Windows Central for the info, it was previously stated that they would start with a few devices. That's transparent. Great chance for people to be involved in the development of the OS, thank you Microsoft.
  • yeah so why no 1020
  • 730??
  • Is it too hard for you to read the list yourself?  Was the number "730" in the list?
  • I don't get why everyone is so mad at Microsoft. It's technical preview. It's their good will to even push it outside of the Microsoft developer team to us, consumers. Just take it easy guys.
  • They're mad because of the poor communication.
  • I get that. But just look at other platforms. They test it, release it, and then if periodically fix the bugs.  
  • On a related note, Microsoft could have easily boosted the sales of these supported devices by telling us ahead of time, assuming this list was planned (probably wasn't since the page initatlly stated 1GB & single SIM). I probably would have been one of the guys to buy a 635 just to test LOL. It's jsut $79 brand new.
  • I hope this doesn't mean they have to tailor it to each device based on carrier configuration, because that would give me even less hope for my 810 that everyone seems to forget.
  • Translation: We just want to maximally disappoint people who paid most money for our products. Why on earth not even a hint before that high end is left out.
  • Hope the dev. who failed to deliver the parition tools knows his shame.
  • Well this makes me happier. I can be patient now for my 1020 to receive it, but wish I would have took advantage of the Xbox music year sub with Lumia 830 promo at this point.
  • ahh yes the crying.  smdh
  • People cry so much. like if this was RTM and nobody apart from the phones that wil get first preview are going to get windows 10. I am sure if it was available for their phones and it failed something and bugs appeared theyt would keep crying more about how unfinished it is. want to test TP today? get a phone that supports it. if not wait and stop crying.
  • I hope we dont get "this is part of the development process that you wouldnt normally see" everytime they make BAD calls...its not like they decided to implement partion stitching yesterday - he said on twitter that Joe used partion stitching to get the demo version on his 1520 weeks ago...now if the feature just isnt ready thats something different than being a different development phase, in fact, one which we wouldnt normally see... 
  • I was happy when I read about the preview today, I don't have denim yet so at least this will do, now I'm really pissed off...
  • Are you into water sports, would you rather be pissed on?
  • No thank you, you're very kind...
  • Why can't they create a program to create a new partition before download...
  • Cool hope the update comes to my 925
  • NOPE... read the new article
  • still waiting for Denim update on my 1520. So more waiting, and waiting, and waiting...................
  • These are also a set of the newer phones. All x3x. The only one really missing is the 930. (my phone - so sad, too bad) Personally, while I am disappointed, there is also a twinge of relief. We are all used to waiting, sometimes for months, so this is not any surprise. Let us all congratulate the Verizon Icon captives who have just gotten Denim and 8.1.1 and welcome them to the fraternity. I'll chill for a bit and wait for the next wave.
  • Anyone want some cheese to go with your whine? I guess those that don't understand why the high end devices can't get the technical preview then the technical preview is NOT for you. I have a 1020 myself. Patience.
  • 1520 :'(
  • mobile operators... it seems they never get out of the picture, im so ****** tired of this
  • I have a 1320, not excactly a high end device WT???
  • Why do so many people on here feel entitled to have preview software immediately? Calm down it's a phone update, life will go on.
  • Lols 1520 was showcased even tonight runing w10 and now some mimimi reasons exlude it from first batch...
  • No OS W10 and still no DENUM for my L1520. I was sick of never getting updates on Android, so I bought a L1520. Now I still end up waiting forever for updates. By the way, what happens to the whole DENUM, CYAN, etc's with W10?
  • Is it confirmed that the 1020 and 920 will eventually get Windows 10??
  • Well, since I just got WP8.1 yesterday, I'm good.
  • I'm shocked at how many people are complaining about this. It's the first build of a technical preview. I wouldn't install it on my day-to-day phone. Does everyone complaining have an extra phone sitting around?  I installed Win10 on my SP3 because I have another laptop to use. The SP3 is secondary and I'm content with bugs as I understand being an "insider" is meant for me to be a tester, not someone who simply wants the latest and greatest. Actually. Complainers gonna complain. I want MS to let everyone install it. Then we can watch them complain, "OMG! This is so buggy!"
  • As said in windows event that MS will come new flagship. I hope we wil see more preloaded W10 + flagship before the official release.  
  • Wasn't w10p demoed on a 1520?
  • The sense of entitlement of some.... It is normal to have a batch of devices first or a single device tested on first. Once they are happy, they add more and so on.
  • Good to hear the preview released..but at the same Time..as usual have to gaze further more months for w10 in my 1520....
  • Hopefully wont be too long of a wait. At least they offered an explanation
  • I'm good with that statement. They are making us participating in the beta to have the product we like so we should help them. Few more weeks or months is fine with me. Once available I will just focus on providing valuable and detailed feedback.
  • This is fine and dandy, but to me this makes it look like Windows 10 for phones is not that far into development.  I predict the new "flagship" phone will still be a Windows 8.1 phone this spring with the promise of a Windows 10 update.
  • Well it's not due out for another 6mos or so.  So yeah.  duh!
  • 6 months from now is August- didn't they hint at a flagship in the spring? 
  • Also, couldn't they get around the partition issue by requiring the phone to be connected to your PC in order to update?
  • It's fine to only include a SMALL subset of devices.  Its NOT ok to hype it up then suddenly on release day say.. oh.. btw.. it will only be for these handful of phones.  If anyone thinks they didnt know MONTHS ago which devices didnt have large enough OS partitions you are VERY naive. Public Relations Nightmare begins........  NOW!   Like their image wasnt already junk.  This should help.  And before you "excusers" say.. but it's a TP.. its Beta.. its not ready...  Blah blah blah.. It's NOT about whether it is beta or not.. it's about PUBLIC RELATIONS.   So much for transparency.
  • Maybe they didn't know months ago.  You have to wonder. I don't recall the new CEO talking about mobile os, just mobile services when he came on. Have to wonder if plans were on hold if they even we're going to keep forward with Wndows 10 mobile. This may also explain why they have no definite answers about Windows 10 with Surface RT arm based products.  I may be just making up conspiracy theories, but I think Windows 10 mobile is further behind then we think.
  • They knew before release day ! :)  JoeB had to use the tool to get it on his 1520.  All that was necessary was to relay that list ahead of time. Underpromise... overdeliver.   Now.. it is going to be rough to recover.
  • Rubbish! Joe Shmo PUBLIC has no idea what a technical preview is, nor any intention of installing it and invalidating their warranties. If you enrolled in the insider program, YOU are deciding to become part of an extended QA team. Try bitching about release cycles and availability as a Microsoft employee and see what happens! Getting previews is candy for people who actually understand what a preview is. If you don't like the taste of the candy, take yourself out of the preview program!
  • Recover from what?
  • Have you considered that they may have brought forward the TP release date due to demand? Thus not completing the partition stitching process quite in time? Don't be such a baby about it. Be a man and take it on the chin. Your expressing outrage at a pretty minor situation overall in the big picture that's life on earth! Same goes for other moaning people out there!
  • That's absolute bull shit . For what you are buying a high-end device? MS , which was no great shakes , quite the contrary.
  • "...Until this comes in, we needed devices which were configured by mobile operators with sufficiently sized OS partitions to allow the in-place upgrade, and many of the bigger phones have very tight OS partitions" Slow ass UPS trucks again. 
  • Where is 525? Not a high end phone
  • I am as big an MS supporter as any, but this explanation doesn't make a while lot of sense, or Joe deceived the everyone at the recent event. Joe got up, talked extensively about Win 10 for phones, all while holding and demoing a 1520. This clearly implies, to any reasonable person, that high end phones can run the preview. So, either they created a "special" version of the OS for Joe, or they are not current telling the truth.
  • Makes sense to me
  • Why higher end Lumia phones can't currently run Windows 10 prevew:
    Microsoft is a bunch of planless, PRless Idiots, thats why.
  • When?
  • Lumi 620 high end phone?
  • My only problem with all this reasoning...they used a 1520 to show off the new mobile OS
  • Shut up sunnybyday you ass kisser
  • Why get our hopes up only to shatter then in a few minutes that was cruel
  • BS!
  • I'm not sure why someone would put such a early build on a high end device unless it was not your daily driver.
  • how about Lumia 535??
  • So all the demos were on Lumia 1520 and yet the shitty end of the market is what they started with. Makes perfect sense - NOT.
  • It is an 'alpha' build, I would also start with the older device to make sure the experience flowed there. You know the newer devices would handle it, so no need to broaden just yet.
  • I just want it on a non-lumia phone.. Can those pleeaaaase be added?
  • This will make you laugh, :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3nXHAQa-gQ Microsoft Employee recounts Windows 10 for Phones Technical Preview Release Day  
  • I'm dying
  • Smh...
  • Can't wait till Microsoft releases the preview for the Lumia 520 and 1520!!! Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
  • Actually, this almost makes sense as to why Microsoft flooded the market with low end phones.
  • Meh no biggie. Took a century to get Denim on my Icon. I rather enjoy Denim for a while before I do another preview. The 8.1 preview had my Icon resuming 24/7 lol. I'm good for now.
  • Never thought of mentioning this two months ago? This is the first time ever i am going to officially call you guys idiots. Waited patiently, buying a 1520 in prep for this when it could have been a 830. Let me throw in a edit, bloody f'n stupid, mismanaged preempt, all you needed to say 2 months ago (test on low end phones only).
  • Agreed I could have purchased one buy now and had it ready!
  • On my list of devices supported there's a message that says soemthing to the effect that Chinese carriers are specifically excluded from W10 support.  This is unusual.  Here in Beijing I've had no problem downloading preview builds before. Perhaps a vigilant reporter might want to ask Microsoft whether this is motivated by technical, commercial or political issues?
  • What a load of shit!
  • Daniel didn't tell us the approximate download size. I need to bundle ba ma cash is not enough. Only 7 Ghana cedis.
  • What people Like Cleavitt76 are forgetting is that there was an article not too long ago stating that the 1020, 930, and 1520 would be the first to receive the preview. So with that being said, its reasonable for people to be upset. You're being as self entitled as people expressing their feelings about this issue.
  • I can't find much information on partition stitching ?
  • I actually think its quite nice that owners of the lower end handsets have had their devices be prioritised over high end models for once, esp as in theory plenty of lower end handset users should now be speaking well of MS as a result! This coming from a 1520 user.
  • And the reason you waited till today to announce this is????
  • Microsoft is grasping at straws. Promising too much and not delivering. I'm a fan but. Alpha beta whatever not delivering to higher end phones because of partition problems. About a basic as it gets!   
  • Why on earth are people getting so pissy about this?! It's a PREVIEW, a BETA and it's the FIRST TIME MICROSOFT HAS EVER OFFERED AN OS PREVIEW (note: I know they have offered update previews) ON WINDOWS PHONE, which means surely people can understand they're not going to let everyone install it because of the PROBLEMS AND BUGS IT WILL STILL HAVE.  It's a preview, people...nothing more and it's not as if they're contractually obliged to provide it. If you have Cyan or Denim and it works for you then what the hell is your problem?  This is as ridiculous as the people who complained about the Star Wars teaser in December because it didn't contain EVERYTHING!  I can't believe how petulant and ungrateful people are being, like you have a divine right to this preview; you don't and it's THE FIRST DAY it's been available!  You moaners need to get a phucking grip.
  • Helli
  • At least we understand why now. Thanks for the explanation.
  • You are all waitin' for win 10, I have a Lumia 925 and I have just recieved and update! It's Denim =/ seriously, why are we allways the last ones ???
  • It's coming............. soon!
  • Well thanks
  • This site is becoming a bunch of whining cry babies!!!
  • Thank God we are only at 4% market share. Imagine if WP was at 10%, the whining will drive WCentral into meltdown.
  • lols ! never spending on high end lumia devices ever again ! such a waist of money ! haven't received denim yet for 1520.. MS=disappointment ...! sadly i fall in the fanboy category ! time to look forward to a different os and a better phone !
  • OMFG hurry up Microsoft! I wanna try W10 out on my Lumia 1320!!! (it's pretty good on my PC)
  • T
  • This is why I do not trust MS. I am damn sure at the very moment of final release of W10, they are going to announce the list of devices that are not supported and list of all those hyped features of W10 which will not be available for old Lumia due to hardware restriction. So do not get carried away or dazzled with all the discussions and show off. You will never know what's there for you until final release and you are purposefully being kept in dark. At the end you'll be forced to buy latest Lumia if you want all those hyped features or just get an Android and be hapy. BTW, it's extremely annoying to scroll web page all the way up after reading comments in IE for WP8.1 as there is no scroll bar. You have keep the screen rubbing to reach the top. Hope those stupids rectify this in W10 and atleast add scroll bar or some button to imediately reach top of the page.
  • Partition switching is cool... Bit the update!? Where is the update? The update?..... Uuuuaaaannn uuaan :'O
  • Thanks for explanation
  • When I will get WP10 on mu Lumia 925? Anyone Answer please....
  • When I will get WP10 on mu Lumia 925? Anyone Answer please....
  • When
  • Wow when did this become a Apple forum, crying because they didn't get their precious iPhone the 1st day it came out
  • this is bullshit!  Joe belfiore did the video demo with a lumia 1520!! i've had enough of this! i buy A HIGH END PHONE AND IM ALWAYS LEFT TO LAST SWITCHING BACK TO HTC ANDROID.
  • 930 ! But no windows 10. :-(
  • You'd think the higher-end lumia owners would be the first to get those sorts of updates. It's ridiculous that the most powerful lumia, Lumia 1520, wasn't among the first to run the update. What the hell did we pay the extra money for then? We deserve the superior customer care if you must discriminate. They've really flopped on this one too.
  • What the hack Is this microsoft why u haven't released a preview version for Lumia 525 u r mean
  • W
  • Why are mobile operators even configuring partition sizes? The network that the device connects to wouldn't matter. Figures that Microsoft would allow carriers to customize stuff they have no business messing with or functional need to change...
  • WP is a platform exclusively dedicated to low end handsets for low income consumers, hence they focus their efforts there. If you want high quality,WP isn't for you.
  • partition stitching Yeah... right... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3nXHAQa-gQ
  • Yeah... Partition.. http://www.windowsmania.pl/forum.php?s=4015e2f24c06b6f75622c639243cb8b5
  • So my icon will be able to get the preview, just later?
  • I'm a developer and use a 930 as my everyday phone. For all those whinging about W10PTP not being available on their (mainly) high-end phones, why would you want to install it on your everyday phone? You'll end up with a device that does less than WP8.1 and is less reliable, so why do it? I've just ordered a 630 from Amazon for £75. When it arrives in the morning, I'll use that to play with W10PTP until it finally gets RTM. Just waiting for the whining to start when people start bricking their main phones. Probably the same people trying to run Windows 10 as the only OS on their home PCs...
  • I joined the insider program about a week ago when I read here that 1020 may be supported and this is what I've got. They should have told us about this earlier.
  • They could've told us earlier right? I joined the insider program when I read that 1020 will be supported and I get this. I'm not going to wait for nothing again.
  • Would prefere to know why he didnt hold the preview back untill he could suport a flagship like the 930, surely the pr would realise theres be some backlash from it?  This isnt the way to do things if your trying to grow your customer base.
  • theres alot of us angry here too but cant you try and not swear dude or are you simply raging with anger?
  • I don't really have a problem with flagship phones (including my 1020) not getting the preview right now but telling us all this NOW on the date of release is really devastating. I immediately signed in for the Insider Program after reading this http://www.windowscentral.com/first-wave-windows-10-phone-preview-likely... just last week and this is what we've got. You could've told us earlier MS. I don't know but you seem to enjoy doing this. Your market share in the mobile world is very little compared to your competitors. Please don't piss your customers off.
  • No support for L1320
  • If its untrue that higher end Lumia phone can't run the preview then how is it so many users on xda are running it through the hack process including myself on my Lumia 1520 with no problems smooth as ever? The demo was with a 1520 so did we get lied to a thought.
  • Why MS-Joe Belfiore use Lumia 1520 in his discusses and didn't use any phone from the 6 compatible device as they mentioned if the "partition stitching" tool not exist yet i think MS is bluffing.