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John Legere says T-Mobile is open to carrying Lumia 950 and 950 XL

There's no doubt that there's a lot of conflicting information flying around about the new Lumia 950 and 950 XL and their reported AT&T exclusivity. Now T-Mobile CEO John Legere has taken to Twitter to note that the carrier is definitely open to carrying and selling the new Lumia duo if Microsoft approaches them. From Legere:

"To be clear: We did not turn down the new Windows devices. MSFT gave to AT&T. If @microsoft wakes up, we'll talk about @TMobile carrying"

As we previously reported, the Lumia 950 and 950 XL are not exclusive to AT&T, though it appeared at the time that other carriers hadn't expressed interest. Going by Legere's recent comments, that is simply not the case. There's a lot of conflicting information going around right now, but it looks as if there's a definite chance that at least T-Mobile customers might get a shot at Microsoft's latest if a deal is worked out.

Of course, that's only if you go the carrier route. Microsoft will be selling both devices unlocked through the Microsoft Store, so you have nothing to worry about if you're going the unlocked route.

Thanks for the tips!

Source: John Legere (Twitter)

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377 Comments
  • His tweet had me weak Posted from space
  • Hopefully Microsoft has reached out after that comment from Ledger
  • Lol ikr
  • Haha, ya. He was basically asking for Microsoft to ask.
  • Ask or beg? Carriers will likely want to set the terms until there is proven demand, and a proven low customer return rate. The preview has, so far, been less than convincing in this area. Time will tell.
  • ya need to sell in high volume and also return rate as these sales reps won't push out WP  if there are loads of return
  • Legere has been Anti-WP for a long time. Ironically Over Seas its been a huge success.
    But in the states, they dont even keep the phones for long and they DONT support thoe devices like they do Android and iphone. They dont keep the base images to reformat the phone if something goes wrong. I asked Tmobile employees about that, and they didnt know why either.   
  • Yah but base images aren't even needed with the windows device tool.  So Ms has solved all those issues.  Just needs to keep the update process in its own hands.
  • Huge success?! Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's Microsoft's fault. They have to create demand. T-Mobile USA doesn't carry windows phones anymore because customers kept returning them because of a lack of apps that their friends with iPhones and Android phones have access to. I'm also not speaking of the cheap Lumias. I'm instead talking about devices like the Nokia Lumias 925 and the HTC 8X. I'm on T-Mobile and I'm tired of the duopoly in this market. It used to be great back in the day where there were far more players. Microsoft has to push harder and exclusivity has only ever worked for one company and that was Apple. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • There should only be one term MS has.  "WE CONTROL THE UPDATE PROCESS". If not, MS is doomed like android.
  • MS is doomed like Android? Android has 80% marketshare. How are they doomed? Lol Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Doomed with the insane amount of malware that Google can't fix because the carriers will not update all phones. There are some serious exploits in the wild and no one can do a damn thing. For Microsoft it's worse, it will just prevent them from gaining any shares.  Android already has shares so for them it's all about momentum. 
  • What exploits in the wild? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • umm seriously?  There's a lot.  Here's some. http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/10/a-billion-android-phones-are-vulnerable-to-new-stagefright-bugs/ http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/10/android-adware-wields-potent-root-exploits-to-gain-permanent-foothold/
  • They have said that with Winodws 10, they do control the update process.  Carriers still control the update for existing phones to upgrade from 8.1 to 10, but once on 10 Microsoft has control.  That is what they said before anyway.  We will see if it still holds true.
  • The big question is: Why the fuck hasn't Microsoft been pounding the pavement arranging to get this in the hands of every carrier they can around the world? It looks like they've put next to zero effort on distribution.
  • Exactly!
  • From what I have seen before Microsoft has but the carriers want MS to do all the work and pay for all advertising while they get to dictate what happens. That's like someone saying I'll build you a house the way I like it but you have to do all the work but don't get to call any shots and maybe I just might let you live in it. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Shoes you how much pressure Microsoft has. None. Microsoft has no leverage because their phones have never sold and there is no reason these would be any different. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • If they have "never" sold, why was the 521 one of the highest selling Windows phones ever?
  • Highest selling WINDOWS PHONE! Not highest selling phone. Two very different things. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Because its cheap. HTC 8X sucked, Lumias 925 sucked, even the lumia 1520 sucked in sales. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Well, fact is we don't know what has been going on. I would have considered tmobile eons ago if they carried devices I was interested in. I can't help but feel this is a misleading statement. We know what Microsoft need to do. We know AT&T will carry at learnt one of the phones. Surely there is more going on since even that was reported to not be an exclusive arrangement.
  • I agree. Legere is an act. If TMo network was so good why do they give away microcells? I've carried both an ATT and TMo Lumia phone in my pocket and there is no contest. Fact is TMos spectrum is less penetrating. Every time I enter a building the signal dies. ATT is flawless. They are "cheaper" for a reason. I'll give them credit for keen marketing but their network is not up to snuff. This guy has been known to BS in the past. He's the Trump of the carrier CEOs
  • So don't put the Lumias on the third largest carrier...because that'll sell more devices. Got it. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • This!
  • I agree with you bro!
  • This is the same guy who 2 1/2 months of launch pulled the Lumia 640 off the shelves. If Microsoft spent the money to ship them to T Mobile they spent X dollars. When T-Mobile said they didn't want them no more after such a short time Microsoft probably again paid X dollars to ship them back. Now Microsoft after semi being screwed on the 640 made a business decision off "F IT". We're not going to spend time and resources to get carriers to carry our phones. At&t wants to carry them others obviously don't. So we'll sell them unlocked which then will let our fans buy them for their preferred carrier. Which also stops carriers from adding their bloat apps. But how dare Microsoft not even offer T Mobile a phone they might pull in 3 months.
  • Errm, because the rest of the world buy their phones unlocked and outright, free of unnecessary contractual obligations. MS do not care so much about the North American market as its already is close to saturation and the overall size of the market will never increase. Carrier subsidies suck. Contracts blow. The only way forward is unlocked GSM phones.
  • No kidding. You can't be a distant third and walking away from that. If they haven't called, that's a true shame and black mark on Microsoft.
  • Perhaps they thought it would be better for customers to ask rather than sheepishly ask again themselves?
  • Look, they are no longer competing actively, it's the passive approach. Numbers artificially grown no longer matter to Microsoft (pumping a phone every other month into emerging markets and other markets), the passive approach allows them to focus on one thing and that is software. Along with creating devices to create categories and stimulate demand. Granted they could have really made use of the amount of resources that got axed a few months ago and done alot more in shorter period of time in the phone space. Yes as a fan I do find that somewhat worrying however the I do get the bigger picture. They are telling OEMs, here, have this market as well we are no longer going to compete against you. However we are going to show you how well feature x,y,z works and can be implemented i.e windows hello - iris scanner. Think about it will any phone OEM want to compete with the maker of the O/S that commands almost the entire market in terms of phone hardware?    
  • MS should come out with a payment plan to sock it to the carriers.  Pay it over a year or something to that extent.
  • I was thinking the same thing. Imagine business accounts that want to buy these by the dozen!
  • Many of the other manufacturers do this. Surprised Microsoft doesn't. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Unless the T-Mobile guy is lying, this realy makes me question Microsoft's leadership. That there is this much confusion and misinformation spewing out all over the place after announcing your first flag-ship phones for your new operating system goes to show that Microsoft is totally incompetent when it comes to working with carriers. This is inexusable after FIVE YEARS after the launch of Windows Phone 7. Totally unacceptable. They need to get their act together immediately.
  • Actually, MS hasn't said anything. This is a discussion between the media and the readers that the CEO has jumped into. MS hasn't said anything for a reason. Maybe they were still in negotiations. Notice that they hadn't even mentioned ATT selling it. ATT made their own announcement. Once again the public is being riled up with smoke by the media and impatient fandom wanton speculations. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • uhhhh not exactly. the specs blatantly say that it will not work with other carriers (besides t-mobile). It is a HUGE flaw and will likely destroy windows phone if they do not make it truely a global phone and put in ALL bands of service. If they want to put it on At&T, fine, but at least make the damn thing ABLE to go on verizon. those who want it will buy it, but without that option is just plain stupid and Tuulia or whatever the hell her name is should be fired without a pension. Without CDMA, windows phone is dead.
  • Without CDMA Windows Phone is dead? Seriously think about that. CDMA is only used in the US by 2 of the carriers and MVNOs that use those carriers. The entire rest of the world uses GSM. CDMA is not required to make Windows Phone successful. And remember, Microsoft isn't making the phones to make sales. They are wanting OEMs to get into the playing field here and make the phones. They expect others to make the CDMA phones, as well as more GSM phones. It's like the Surface line. Microsoft is just showing what can be done and what the OS is capable of. Now it's up to manufacturers to make products, just like they do with desktops, laptops, tablets, and 2-in-1s.  And the real reason Microsoft didn't make it CDMA compatible is because Verizon/Sprint refuse to allow Microsoft to control the updates. Windows 10 is "Windows as a Service" so if Microsoft doesn't control the updates, it's dead out the door. Microsoft just refuses to cave. Verizon and Sprint also won't allow the phones to work on their network without their approval even if they are CDMA compatible. It doesn't matter, because Sprint/Verizon will just block the phones from working anyway. Why should MS expend the money for it?  Microsoft is taking another page from Apple here. Not budging. Allowing only one or two carriers to carry it because those are the carriers willing to meet Microsoft's terms. Then, when it got popular several years later, Verizon and others wnt to Apple begging for an agreement, and that agreement was on Apple's terms. You think Windows 10 Mobile won't command that kind of respect in 3 or 4 years? I think it will. The power of these phones and what they will be capable of, especially once the Intel variety hits next year, will blow people away. It will take time, but in a few years, Verizon will be begging to carry the phones. 
  • Lol we dont need another Samsung focus scandal where their low on certain components so they substitute one brand of ram/nand for another just to get sales during the hollidays
  • There isn't hope for the people that fell victim to the T-Mobile sideshow.  Look at this guy's attitude. .@Commadore_Bob that bs theory will help @Microsoft become relevant in a space they currently aren't? #arrogant #nextfirephoneguarenteed  -John Legere
  • A major tech CEO is taking time out on twitter to address rumors about him not wanting to carry a Lumia. Microsoft needs to go ahead and put that in the "Win" column. And then Satya needs to call him directly.
  • No. Microsoft needs to put that in the "We failed to put in the effort to get carriers on board" column. This is not a victory. This is indicative of a weakness in Microsoft's strategy and execution.
  • See my comment below for my alternate theory. We don't know if Microsoft called or not. It could be John is lying and trying to save face now that there is a public demand that didn't exist for prior models (a "win" to me) or if Microsoft didn't bother to call due to a lack of prior love from T-Mobile. Either way, Microsoft will do what they normally do and allow John to save face and just let him sell the damn things and not make another comment about it.
  • We'll see what Microsoft has to say. I'm surprised Legere even said this, whether true or not. I thought he'd be the kind of guy who would proudly say he doesn't care about the minority users. So that makes me think he's telling the truth, just to clear up false accusations. But I don't really know that guy, so I can't say much. I kind of hope he is telling the truth though, that way t mobile users still have a chance.
  • William, I'm confused. If the phones are unlocked, can't you just pop in a T-Mobile SIM card and be off?  If that's so why does it matter if T-Mobile carries the phones or not?  I thought that was the beauty of a unlocked phone.
  • I read your theory below. It's quite possible. I believe this could be purely a negotiating tactic. Just say TMO wanted to purchase the phones at a better price point (to make a profit and if they don't sell well, TMO won't take as much of a loss).... and that MS & TMO couldn't agree on a price, so it the fell feel through... If that happened, with the Windows fans yelling, now is the perfect time to strike for TMO. It puts all the pressure on MS.
  • You do know it's not Microsofts fault, they can't demand carriers to sell their products Microsoft is not Apple or Samsung, they are open to anyone who wants to sell. Anyways John is an a$$**le.
  • YES!
  • Perhaps if Microsoft's previous negotiators over sold and then under achieved, repeatedly, they decided it would be best to let customers ask carriers for the product this time around.
  • I think this is PR or some stunt. This just doesn't make sense. Not beyond realm of possibilities, for certain, but it just seem right that this is how that information is presented.
  • no it's an F OFF to carriers and a win for consumers.  They don't want carriers dictating the update process likely and they know which ones will demand it.  All they need is a payment plan for the unlocked phones if they truly want to sell in volume.
  • T-Mobile has little to gain by carrying a Windows Phone however it seems Ledger understands the Windows Movement
  • I think this holds better than the other theories floating around.
  • They should let them carry it though. Posted from space
  • Check this out:http://www.microsoft.com/en/mobile/phone/lumia950-xl/specifications/
  • I can't believe you guys are falling for T-Mobile's BS, they're only concern is for you to get an iPhone for life! They won't market or even push WP. It would benefit carriers to broaden their portfolios and put effort into selling all phones to the proper user base, not just iPhones.
  • Exactly. Even though they have had more WP devices than Sprint the support they provide (marketing, store availability) is a bit worse. It's a shame because T-Mo sold me my HTC HD2 and actually pushed Winmo back then, now they regulate WP devices to online sales or somewhere on a corner wall of the store hidden among several Android devices.
  • Absolutshame hit the nail on the MF head. I've been using Windows on T-Mo since the HD-2 days and that's the last time they REALLY made an effort to push Windows. Nowadays, they stock them for a couple of weeks and then discontinue sales. You can't tell me that their $30 Alcatel Android phones that they keep in stock are better options than ANY WP
  • Obviously sales would tell you that. T-Mobile is going to push what sells. Can't blame them Microsoft put out a second rate mobile platform the last 5 years. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Exactly. I really hope that they reach an agreement (quickly) and sell both new phones,however TMO needs to probably support,market and advertise the devices. Shit is pissing off. I'm tired of carriers shoving a fuckin IPhone,Galaxy or other Android device down your throat then claim that WP doesn't sell well. If when you go there for a WP specifically the reps try to deter you. I've experienced this several times.
  • It's all on Microsoft. Microsoft has to create the hype for their phones to create demand from customers. Their effort hasn't been great.
  • Perhaps, but in the USA the sale decision is made in the store. The reality is that the sales people are bias as to what they want to sell. And they are either for the iCamp or the Galaxy Camp. I had to sell myself a Windows phone at ATT. So it's not hype, it's that the retailer's workers control what sells. How do you combat that? You sell it yourself. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • It doesnt matter if they promote them or not as long as there in stores, people that want them will seek them out. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • For blood's sake, wake up MS.
  • He's probably just saying that so he won't get the blame
  • Probably, look at the last part. "we'll talk about @tmobile carrying" means they probably have stupid demands.
  • Of course he has to hedge it. Doesn't automatically mean he has unreasonable demands. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • They are a retailer and a carrier. If other retailers start selling the phones unlocked we'll know Legere is BSing.
  • Other retailers are going to be selling them unlocked.
  • Then what he's saying is totally BS. All he has to do is order some like every other retailer.
  • lol... a CEO doesn't make purchasing orders it's the purchasing division / department.
  • Not to mention, ATT only has the 950. The exclusivity argument doesn't hold for the XL. Since MS is "allowed" to sell unlocked, I don't believe Legere.
  • I don't get your logic. Of course ms is always allowed to sell unlocked. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Actually that wasn't a given. Sometimes a carrier exclusive precludes an unlocked device from Te manufacturer.
  • Usually, exclusivity deals mean ATT is willing to take the risk selling the phones. That means Microsoft will not sell them unless they count them towards ATT's contractual cut. What is likely the case here is Microsoft simply sent out a message to the carriers asking for permission to sell them unlocked and asked if they wanted some to sell. ATT probably said yes but was unwilling to commit to the expense of an exclusivity contract. For all we know, the junior VP who took the call at T-Mobile probably told Microsoft "no" and never informed the CEO of the conversation. So from John's perspective, he never has talked to Microsoft. It could also be given T-Mobile's lack of prior enthusiasm, Microsoft never made the call.
  • Really? Them why haven't they sold every phone unlocked in the US. Typically they are very slow to do so if they do it at all. The deal often include timed exclusives, carrier specific models, carrier locking/eliminating unlocked sales in the US.
  • These phones have universal gsm radios, prior models had custom phones per carrier that was the previous method. Now, you can buy these outright and everyone else usually buy their phones outright. Unlike you guys in the US who have been heavily reliant on subsidies thus paying alot more over the course you have that phone. Only recently US carriers have started to adopt the approach that has been the norm in other countries for decades.
  • There is no exclusivity deal
  • Exactly. Of course he's going to say he's open to it. Saying the opposite just creates bad press and image for T-Mobile.
  • How much is the 950XL? Unlocked...
  • $650 + tax
  • Thanks. I'd rather pay monthly lol.......
  • Same here. It's my only option.
  • Paying the carrier monthly for the cost of the phone is a good way to pay too much, over time. Better to finance the unlocked phone separately and keep an eye on the carriers charges. That will keep costs to the minimum. Just my opinion.
  • T-Mobile USA is b% Financing for 24 months. Paymetn for Phone goes away when paid of unlike old contracts.
  • Here in the UK if you don't upgrade your monthly charge goes down, so say its £20 per month for 12 months. Don't upgrade it drops in price on month 13 and so on. Plus you could get a phone on contract, unlock it, sell it and get a cheaper phone and see out the contract.
  • Some people have the JUMP program with T-Mobile so it would be of great importance if they carry the 950.
  • Exactly. Exactly. That's what I've been saying and I'm eligible to upgrade this month which is perfect. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • It would be of great importance to get away from any of these sneaky carrier programs. It isn't hard to finance a phone at 0% interest. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • @Bleached. Exactly. People need to start looking and realise they have been taken for a ride all these years. Heck LTE speeds in the US is just above Indonesia now and they are 56th in terms of World Ranking. http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/mobile-phone/us-rank-drops-to-55th-in-4g-lte-speeds-3626076/  http://opensignal.com/reports/2015/09/state-of-lte-q3-2015/      
  • Yeah, I'd get a 950XL on JUMP, or if Microsoft Stores offered there own 24 month financing plan I'd probably go that route. I think financing options is critical.
  • The advantage to this would be that you could do the installment plan, and get Wi-Fi calling? Any other advantages to a T-Mobile phone vs directly unlocked from Microsoft?
  • You could do monthly payments on the phone
  • That's about it I think. But Wi-Fi calling is a great feature for my area. That and unlimited data for music streaming
  • you get the unlimited data for those music services anyway, you don't have to buy the phone fromT-Mobile for that to work
  • Due to the coverage issues here, WIFI calling is a necessity. Have to answer the phone every time, and missed calls are not an option. I would LOVE an unlocked phone direct from MS, just need to solve the WIFI dilema.
  • Woah, hang on. Just remembered... MS did say they were working on a dedicated wifi calling feature.... Maybe they're trying to make unlocked devices a norm. I wouldn't mind that. But they need a way to sell them with monthly payments. I think they could monopolize in some way on this. Hmmm....
  • Why would they need to? In case paying full price is too much, can't you just buy it over your credit card and pay it off monthly?
  • Not every one g=has creit cards - Credit card interest is much higher than the 0% financing offered through T-Mobile. 
  • Save up? I saved up roughly £10 a week and bought my 920 unlocked when it launched - it was delivered to me mid nov 2012. Anyone can do it...
  • Well done, smart.
    More people need to learn how to do this.
    We all knew this phone was coming for over a year now. 10$ or 20$ at a time and all the change you get. that's all it takes. I have a giant duck I stuff money in that I don't need, once its in it only come out once every year and its always just above 4000$, its not much but I blow it on crap and no one can say anything about it. TheManFromEarth
  • VoLTE as well.
  • Visual Voicemail? Not sure.
  • He means Voice over LTE Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • :) I know, I was just adding another thing that we may be losing going unlocked. I probably should have replied to the OP instead.
  • T-Mobile Visual Voicemail is available on my carrier-free RM-985 830 and my RM-1039 735. No Wi-Fi Calling.
  • Yes.
  • And you could get updates held up for months, if they come at all. Not a great feature.
  • Yeah. Unlocked is certainly beneficial as long as you don't miss out on things like wifi calling. I hope MS does make a dedicated function
  • That and the fact that T-Mobile may decide 6 months in that they no longer support the device ... we've been there, haven't we?
  • Poor support and device selection is a major reason I left.
  • Same reason I left as well.
  • Don't remind me. Disappointed how fast they dropped the 640, so I'll have to do the unlocked route.
  • No longer a concern with these 3 phone and going forward. There was an article that MS controls the OS updates going forward.
  • In theory, but that hasn't been proven yet. They will definitely control updates if none of the carriers are on board. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • The JUMP program. If you're paying for this you can upgrade to a device of your choice.
  • Who cares about American carriers? Way too much news about this
  • Umm...Americans...
  • On a site based in the US...where more users are still in the US...
  • If it's not available through American carriers then Windows Phone doesn't succeed in America. If Windows Phone doesn't succeed in America then Windows Phone is dead. But you know this
  • Windows phone is already dead, who are we kidding?
  • I know right? All these salty tears are tasty.
    If they think Microsoft suddenly revamped their marketing team then they're in for a shock.
  • Windows 10 just killed Windows Phone.
  • It would take more than marketing. They marketed the hell out of Windows Phone 7. Those commercials were on constantly. They need to completely change the UI and the name if they want any chance of success. The current style has failed, but they insist on sticking with it. It is time to dump the Windows Phone UI. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • In the US the carriers have too much control which is why they get coverage and are complained about a lot.  T-Mobile sounds more European (there's a surprise) and just wants to sell airtime/data and help users get the phone they desire online.  Much better image.
  • But unlike their European ancestors, T-Mobile US locks their phones. In Europe, this is mostly on prepaid only.
  • @RealWarder. T-Mobile is actually a German company :P the parent is Deutsche telekom. Don't believe me? Just start typing this name into bing and see what comes up.
  • It's actually a good thing these conversations are happening. There is a gradual weakening of buyer power from carriers. Devices and services are becoming separated. The last holdout of these bullshit deals are weaker OEMs. All other OEM flagships have the weight to give leverage over carriers. Keep in mind, of course, that tmobile was the last to learn this lesson from the iPhone.
  • Where are you from, so we can not care about news in your region when it is reported on this here American website?
  • This is global, not just American site. You guys from USA always thing ecerything us yours.
  • Everything is ours. /s Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Accessed globally and yes there are news from international sources, but the site is based in the US. That's where it started and with a US audience in the beginning before it got all you wonderful fans around the world. So, of course there's going to be more US relevant news and we are all okay/interested with region specific reports like the UK, India, Spain, etc. just don't go complaining that a news post isn't relevant to your region. US readers may not care that India phone operators are giving discounts for a WP device, but mostly we don't go out of our way to comment that we don't care because it's not in the US. Just enjoy the read and try posting helpful or funny comments instead.
    Cheers!
  • Now I am starting to feel that this device is going to be a turning point for windows phones.
  • Yeah. Turning into the ground. It's a nice phone that'll be available to only a fraction of potential buyers. Odds are good the marketing will be lackluster, too. Windows phone is dead.
  • It's Windows Mobile 10 now, didn't you get the memo? :P Speaking of memo's, have you done those TPS reports yet @.@.  
  • He used the lower case "phone"... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • But they are selling it unlocked, saying your support for windows devices historically sucks would be praise and why would they want to put their phones in your store just to have the reps turn customers away who want to buy it or talk ti them like they are idiots for wanting it? Maybe you should approach them and apologize to your customers who have had that experience instead of trying to deflect blame. If I was MS I have little to gain from you placing them in store then pulling them out two weeks later to make room for another sub 100$ android since you've already trained your customers to byop.
  • And this is the truth, proven by the Lumia 810, 640 and HTC M8. Tmo will get them and sabotage them so what's the point of bowing to their demands?
  • Many of the low end Lumias we're sold though major carrier owned second tier providers, including those of T-mobile. Also, them dropping 640 may well be a reaction to MS telling them they don't want them to carry 950/XL. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • BS. I ordered an HTC M8 for Windows with a sales agent over the phone. I explained several times that I wanted another WP namely the M84W. They sent me a damn Android version. I called them immediately and took several reps to figure out that they did release a TMo version of the M84W and then told me they stop carrying them almost immediately due to lack of sales. I responded by telling them that maybe making it available and actually carrying them in the store would have helped sell them. Then I told him to keep their low prices along with their non-existent coverage and lack of quality devices, I rather pay more with AT&T. They actually support WP and have great coverage.
  • That's poor service from T Mobile. However if I were the sales person I probably would have done the same thing. Don't they have a directive to push iPhones and Android devices? Losing 1 customer is no biggie at the end of the day. Pushing 9 onto iPhone probably nets you a bonus...
  • The carriers have to pay a "fine" so to speak if they do not sell enough devices such as the iPhone. A couple of years ago Verizon had to pay apple because they didn't sell what they were supposed to. That's the incentive. That's also a game MS can't play. Unfortunately.
  • Yep, I had the same discussion with like 3 tmobile reps when the m8 came out. They didn't even know they were carrying it, or it was even available. One of them actually argued with me about it. Anyway, before that I was looking to unlock a att1520, so I went into 4 different att stores. EVERYONE of them looked at me like I was crazy, and thoroughly tried to talk me out of windows phone. It was really ridiculous. So yes, att caries windows phone, but definitely doesn't support it.
  • Mirror that experience, place it  in another country, then multiple that by the amount retailers in said county and then multiply that by countries officially known to carry WP. Result? One of the reasons why Windows phone has low global market share.
  • The sales people are right to push you away. The average user doesn't want a Windows phone and would be greatly disappointed with one. They are just protecting their users. There is a reason Windows phone hasn't caught any traction, don't fool yourselves. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's ridiculous. First off, WP has much higher satisfaction rate than Android. Second, sales people are not right, they are forcing customers to ATT and VZW. If you have seen my story a thousand times over by others here and other sites than you know TMo is losing money,not smart at all.
  • Because Verizon and AT&T will push you towards a Windows Phone! Nope, they too know the risks of pushing Windows. Their customer is going to have access to the features and apps available on other platforms and will probably return it. Do you really think all the carriers don't push WP because of some conspiracy? No, they have learned from experience. Windows Phone has high satisfaction rates because only fanboys buy them. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Simple.
  • If Microsoft didn't offer it to them, it's because they don't trust them to actually support them. Remember the 810? Remember them pulling the 640 after a month? This is what Nadella meant by "unbeneficial relationships". I want nothing more right now than a 950 I can get on a Jump plan, but talk is cheap and I would rather them not sell it than see it buried in the back of a store while reps drive people away from it.  
  • I'm glad T-Mo has a chance to get these phones too! I'm an AT&T customer.
  • John is full of crap. Microsoft didn't go on Apple's stage, Salesforce's stage, VMworld stage, and settle with Google on patent lawsuits just so they could turn around and tell T-Mobile to "bite me... AT&T gets this."
  • Come to think of it, you have a good point.
  • I'm glad somebody is using their head around here.
  • Amen. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • This is good news. If Microsoft and tmobile reach the agreement, this will be substantial for windows phone.
  • T-Mobile carrying the phones never had any impact in the past, why would this time be any different? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I'm just glad that he hates att enough to pull this shit and carry wp out of spite
  • I've owned three windows phones from T-Mo. Here was the state of every single one
    Lumia 710- never got 7.8.
    Lumia 810- never got an update after amber, no 8.1 officially either.
    M8 for windows- while the Verizon and AT&T versions got GDR2, I am still waiting. Pfff, I was actually expecting an update? Please. And there are even more windows phones that have went to die on T-Mo. They treat windows phone owners like absolute dog crap, and if Microsoft didn't allow them to sell the phones, I 100% see why.
  • Irrelevant going forward to a large extent as MS will directly update W10M. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • No, it's very relevant. Even if they do update the phones themselves, it shows the track record of T-Mo and how supportive they have been of the platform. Which on a scale of 1 to 10 is -9000.
  • What support specifications does T-mobile need to give? Marketing is another matter but it's not like any carrier has done massive wp marketing in the past couple of years and in fact cricket has probably done most of it. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android "Specifically" I mean
  • How about actually carrying them in stores.
  • Why would they continue to try that when they have proven to be failures. Why waste shelf space on a loser? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Stop trolling. When they had the 710 and 925 on the shelf they actually sold. If you want to shove Android down someone's throat then get the fuck off this site, this ain't the place.
  • Did they? T-Mobile certainly wasn't in any hurry to get the replacements for those phones. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • All carriers have been antagonistic to Windows phone since WP7. EVERY TIME I went into an at&t store to upgrade my phone, the motherfuckers badmouthed Microsoft, Windows phone, the device I was choosing, and pressed hard to drive me towards Android or iPhone. I actually had an AT&T rep tell me he wouldn't sell me the Lumia 1020 "Because it's crap". I literally had to go to a different store to get it. I hate that this is true, but it is: Windows phone is dead.
  • How many more times are you going to say "WP is dead" ?
     
  • Sometimes a little "physical" persuasion makes all the difference ... if not then verbal abuse. They're there to serve the customer, not the other way around, sometimes they need to be reminded. Am I way out of line..? =[
  • @MediaCastleX. No you're not and as ex sales I can tell you one thing - it's obvious when you think about it. They loath hard sell customers and love guillible ones. Simple, time is money, the more the sell, the more comission they make. When a sales rep approachs me now, I just "go don't bother i know what I want and I'm a former sales person so go bother someone else". If they get sarky, I just put them on the spot about their beloved platform - that's why it pays to know your competition. Before I was too polite about it, would stand listen and maybe hold a little playful debate. However there is one thing I realised, majority of the floor sales reps are now impressionable teens. Holding a intellectutual debate doesn't work with 99.9% of them. Being put on the spot has a much more profound effect and key here is a calm, mellow tone of voice with assertive body language. Anything aggressive or overly threatening will get you a security escort lol.  
  • You seem a little bit confused. Updates for carrier branded devices still would have to get approved by the network providers and, if they decide not to put out an update, you're stuck as before. Sure, you could try staying with the insider program but then you are permanently running beta software.
  • Only the ones users buy directly from MS. Any carrier versions will still be controlled by the carrier. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I think the only one they haven't abused is the 925, as I have update 2 from them
  • I decided to tweet him about that. Looking at his wall, he's really taking it to responding to everyone who is giving him a piece of their mind and not nice replies either. I wonder if it is him responding or someone on his staff.
  • It's him. John is a bold guy on Twitter and in real life. I doubt any company would allow staff to risk reputations on social media by posting some of the stuff he tweets. -I always admired his personality in the public though. Kind of like Ballmers eccentric personality.
  • If T-Mobile carries the 950 I'm buying, otherwise unlocked for me. Whichever is first available
  • I'm also a bit torn on which to pick, if both options are available. If you don't buy it through T-Mobile, they say "See, we told you no one wants Windows Phone." If you buy it through T-Mobile, you miss out on MS Store's great customer service and they won't make as much money on the phone. I guess I'll decide as the real release date approaches.
  •   I want these devices to sell well, so I hope Microsoft and T-Mobile will let this happen soon.
  • I was harassing tmoble all day today about the lack of variety in their selection. Not saying anything I said helped, because they probably hear it all the time. I'm just glad they are finally considering it. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Harassment is the only way you can be barely heard. We need mass harassment, but judging by Ledger's tweet replies, there's plenty of harassment going on. lol
  • Seems like a very good phone. It can't hurt the situation with W10 and having it on T-Mobile sure can't hurt. I am still trying to figure out why they dropped the 640 as it seemed like a perfect match to T-Mobile. I got mine (640) from Cricket when they stopped selling them. I might be interested in a 950 if things work out with the advent of W10. But the 640 is fine for the time being.
  • Because MS had told them they don't expect them to sell 959^XL perhaps? And or because 640 did not sell. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I have a crazy idea.  What if Microsoft let the carriers know early on that for future Lumias with Windows 10, they had certain key requirements (like not blocking updates) that were non-negotiable.  Suppose AT&T agreed, but T-Moble (and Verizon) didn't.  So when they were ready to announce the 950 line, AT&T got it, but Microsoft didn't bother to offer it to T-Mobile since they already rejected something MS wouldn't compromise on. Hey, I can dream, can't I?  
  • Or another possibility is that ATT offered marketing dollars and were pro active whereas T-Mobile are waiting on Microsoft and this is them being reactive.
  • For as much as I don't like AT&T, I believe they would've put up money for marketing. Not so much the other carriers and now TMO is trying to look innocent.
  • T-Mobile will just EOL it in a few months and then never update it. Legre is the one who needs to wake up.
  • MS will directly update W10M after the carrier has cleared the initial firmware at sales start. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • It could be worse. It could go to Verizon and then be cancelled even before being put on sale.
  • 100% correct, this is why I buy unlocked phones even though I live in NYC. I despise going to carriers to purchase phones.
  • I'm glad I'm just going the unlocked route... Too much drama. But hopefully Microsoft does indeed approach T-Mobile, these things seem to be generating a lot of buzz, so let's make them as widely available as possible!
  • Unlocked is the ultimate "Uncarrier." It's ironic with TMO. MS and TMO should really be collaborating.
  • Satya, tell T-mobile to bring back the T-mo girl in pink on a motorcycle and maybe you'll talk.
  • Hell yeah she's a sexy Canadian.
  • She's on Vine and really funny too... lol =P
  • I am with T-Mobile US and I still think that I would want to go unlocked/unbranded from Microsoft for timely updates, etc., but a few things worry me about going this route: Will internet sharing/tethering still work? Will TMO's Visual Voicemail work with this? Do I want to give up WiFi Calling, even though I haven't had a need for it yet? I don't know much about TMO's VoLTE requirements, but would that be compatible with Microsoft's unlocked phone? My 925 has been a trooper for over two years, but I really want an upgrade at this point.
  • Honestly, why not switch to AT&T? The only advantage Tmo had that I can think of is WiFi calling. AT&T just got FCC approval this week to offer the same. I've had all major US carriers and Tmo barely edged out Sprint from being the worst.
  • Cost is probably the big reason. I'm on AT&T now and thinking about switching t-mobile. Their family plan is certainly a lot less than I'm paying right now.
  • Try buying unlocked and use on ATT Gophone. Same rates as TMo but much better service. You only need WiFi calling because you are on TMo.
  • I was about to suggest the same thing!
  • Because depending on where you live, ATT's speed and coverage may not be any better than T-Mobile. I've given ATT a second thought on numerous occasions but I'm not going to submit to worrying about a data cap and crap again. I stream music on Spotify, I download and upload stuff to OneDrive, I tether my devices when at my girl's house, and I never have to worry about coverage or data usage. I'm not going to be sweating that stuff on ATT or Verizon.
  • Aussie - I'm unlocked on AT&T with a 1520 and visual voicemail and internet sharing work fine. It should be the same with unlocked on T-Mo. Would you need wifi calling? Why not Skype, or What'sApp, or Viber if the need does arise?
  • It's a MUST they do, I can't wait to leave this cappy Note 4 for the Win10 platform starting off with the 950XL Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I'm with ya on that one. Had to get the Bloat 4 after my 925 capped out. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • what kind of deal? displaying lumias in their stores and redirecting the sale to Microsoft for a unlocked device? that'd be perfect
  • Here's what happened. Microsoft said no more carrier specific models other than banding on the back cover. At&t said we want to carry the 950. Then Tmo and Verizon say we'll carry, but we need some exclusive feature/variant. Microsoft said shove it. Take it or leave it, we (Microsoft) don't have the capacity to build that many variants anymore. And tmo walked away. That's what he means by "we'll talk about it". He wants an exclusive to carry it and Microsoft is not going to give in. But don't worry, I bet the carrier unlocked version from MS Store will support all the T-Mo frequencies. Just get a pay as you go plan and forget about carrier provided phones. "branding", not banding
  • I support this theory...seems like it is very plausible.
  • Plausible. They gave the 520 a chin job to make it the 521. The 810 was just awful. And the 925 had their logo under the glass. ATT it's pretty good about just adding the globe to the back. Verizon is the worst of course.
  • I've said for a long time that Microsoft should get the carriers out of the equation.  Being able to buy unlocked day 1 from MS store is the reason my wife is getting herself the Lumia 950. One thing I noticed here in Canada, is that the carrier models are usually cheaper than the unlocked.  Lumia 1020 and Lumia 830 had quite a price difference. To me, that price difference is worth not being reliant on carrier processes holding up the show.
  • Exactly.  Every carrier tried the "well if you won't make ours special we won't allow it on the network" (except ATT).  From VZ messing around with Netflix to owning AOL and throwing advertising at their paying customers, the greed is rampant.  Last time things got this bad ATT got broken up.  Net neutrality is going to have to be just the first glove to come off.  Customers are being robbed of their checkbooks and given nothing more than a seeya in return. ​
  • Re: ValkyrieMT,
    Very nicely said.
  • If this is true, that's good. Right this moment MS has buzz and some momentum. Enough that companies like this have taken notice. Dissin' MS used to be the thing, but with all these recent announcements and future roadmap, I think everyone is trying to stay on board just in case MS becomes cool again.
  • I believe it started with the Lumia 640. It's the same phone on all carriers. When Samsung first started, they had to build specific variants for different carriers. After they got popular, the carriers can't demand that from Samsung anymore.
  • What a Tweet lmao! WOW! Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Just come to Verizon ffs....
  • Verizon sucks. It's not going to happen.
  • Their policies, etc. suck, but best coverage. Sad us VZ customers can't participate in furthering the MS phone.
  • Also using a non-branded Verizon phone on Verizon, yeah no probably not going to work unless it's like an iphone, and even then, I'm sure there's something they "add" to make it work.
  • It would be amazing if this happened! Been with TMO since 2013 with seemingly the only WP they ever supported after launch, the 925. Service is great, price is fair, wifi calling and tethering is a bonus. Heck, 925 even got supported all the way up to official Denim! Planned on getting an XL unlocked but getting one on JUMP officially would be better. Hopefully they figure something out here.
  • I'm 100% with you on this. I may be tweeting both Microsoft and Legere really soon to keep the momentum going.
  • Anyone reply with " why not just make it like your iPhone and give me monthly payments.?"
  • Microsoft probably told Legere that they want to sell it unlocked. If they wanted T-mobile to be on board, they should have told him that they want to sell it Unleashed. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Best comment I've read all night. Gold star for you!
  • My first choice is the 950xl but I cannot swing it unless I pay for it monthly. If that is not an option, I will see what the Acer Jade Primo 2 is like and see if it is an option.
  • Here's what you do: Sock away a little money every paycheck. When these flop--and they will, in 3-4 months, tops--you'll get one at a big discount.
  • Lumia 640XL should not disappoint you, happy camper today.
  • I might have to remain content with my 928. If I can install W10 on it, that won't be too bad.
  • My wife and I are still rocking our Day One 928s. It's a great phone. I would've upgraded to the 950 or 950 XL if 1. Verizon actually carried them, and 2. if they hadn't gotten rid of 2-year contracts. I mean, we got the 928s on launch for $99 each (plus $25 each in App store credit) thanks to the contract subsidy. Now, when faced with the full price of the phone ($650 plus tax), I'm not so sure I can swing that x 2.
  • Trust me, you were paying at least full price for the phone. Verizon wasn't giving away anything. The price of the phone is just no longer hidden in the contract. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Simple.
  • ?
  • I don't understand why people don't have the attitude of saving for a phone. I live in a small African country and I have to save up to get all my phones. It's easy really (Mostly because I see phones four to six months after release in USA). Unlocked is best!
  • That's how I bought my 920 by saving up a set amount on a weekly basis.
  • That's what I ended up doing.  Or trying to do.  Hopefully, I'll be able to swing a new device when I'm sure it will work (an unlocked 950XL will be great if it has WiFi calling on T-mobile)
  • There is wifi calling built into the phone, question is if it would work. Doubt it, but we could be surprised,
  • If you're so down on WP, why are you on this forum?
  • Is he down on Windows phone or just honest? You will certainly be able to buy these handsets for dirt cheap a couple months after they are released, especially if you don't mind buying them used. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Switch to a prepaid plan. The savings alone will come close to paying for the phone in a year. In the meantime, save $50 a week and you'll have the phone by Christmas.
  • The reality is that bloody T-Mobile can now claim that they wanted to carry it, but Microsoft didn't want them to. I fancy Microsoft makes a clarifying statement shutting those dodgy bastards up. 
  • I wonder if stuff like this isn't pre-planned to keep talk about the phones in the news and to create excitement.
  • Please get the XL T-Mobile. Would love to get that on Jump
  • How about a comment directly from Microsoft? This is bullshit. Be transparent about your intentions. This feels like Xbox One 24/7 online and digital game sharing policies all over again, and it's an ugly blemish on an excellent product reveal from MS this week. Regardless, I still think ita ridiculous that Verizon isn't supported as BYOD. This type of thing isn't helping WP at all.
  • Its been ONE day and you can't stop millions from speculating and even when official word finally does come out, it still won't meet everyone specific expectations...
  • That's the problem.  There shouldn't be any speculation.  Fine, MS didn't announce anything at the presentation, but there's no reason all their reps giving demos of the hardaware after the event couldn't have that information to share in a concrete manner.  It's a joke.  Even if MS is still working out deals- say that!  Speculation just leads to misinformation and once that happens it's really hard to do damage control. 
  • For how long? I hope not like the 640 series!
  • I highly doubt they would treat this like the Lumia 640. For one, it took months before Microsoft even made either the 640 or the 640XL available and to be honest I think people just weren't interested. This is something we have been really wanting or at least I know I have and with half the cost of my current device paid off, I can use my Jump upgrade to get a shiny new Lumia.
  • Great news!
  • Microsoft please do the right thing. John Legere is the man right now as I was going to personally tweet him to get his attention on this matter. Plenty of T-Mobile customers want this. We will not treat this like the much delayed Lumia 640. I will be tweeting or retweeting his tweet to Microsoft to help get the ball rolling. If he is indeed telling the truth about this which he made pretty public we can put to the rest at least some of the "Microsoft can't sell it if the carriers don't want it" argument.
  • Bye bye TMO, I switched back to ATT today. Traded in my L920 for $300 credit with which I got a Lumia 640 XL for free, even getting credits for Plenti. My main thing was the $15 East Asia calling service which is now available on ATT too. Lumia 640XL is rocking and I am enjoying the HD voice quality again.
  • Thank you. That is good to know. Does ATT have wifi calling. I need to compare and contrast the carriers features and plans to make my decision if Verizon doesn't serve the Microsoft customers.
  • ATT just receives FCC approval this week to begin offering wifi calling, so you can expect it soon.
  • ATT wifi is unknown at this point, but I am getting 4 bars in spots where tmo used to give 1 or drop out. And this is in Redmond, which has supposedly strong TMO network.
  • That would be great.  If T-Mobile officially carries them, then I know I'll have Wi-Fi Calling.  Otherwise, just getting an unlocked one might not be any better for me than my unlocked Lumia 1520.  (except the 950XL will have better antenna's)
  • How long should carriers be forced to provide device updates for considering device arrival in stores date / purchase date?
  • As long as they want. If you don't like it, don't buy the phone from them. Simple. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Device updates should be done by the manufracturers, not the carriers but the carriers should have the ability to block any update that they deem damaging to the phone (quality).
  • Microsoft better talk to them
  • Can someone on T-Mobile tell me if their phones use SIM technology? The last CDMA network I was on required the device to be manually registered to the network. In those days carriers would work with OEM so that didn't happen at point of sale.
  • Yes, T-Mobile USA is a GSM carrier using SIM cards.
  • I love T-Mobile... What an awesome tweet. Ya Microsoft wakeup!!!!
  • Don't let tmoble fool you. They had no interest until their customers did. Both are guilty we don't have decent WP devices on tmobile. Still going to be a pain getting the salesman for carriers not to favor certain devices over win 10. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Directive: Push iPhone 6S/+ > Samsung S6/N5>HTCM9>SonyZ5>BBPriv>iPhone 6>SamsungS5>MSLumia950/xl
  • you are correct at the end of the day no matter which carrier has these phones it comes down to sales reps unfortunately. They want an easy sale so will just upgrade the customer with like for like . Too much effort into explaining the whole windows ecosystem.
  • So apparently John Legere blocked me on twitter? Wow. You send a guy one tweet asking them to carry a couple phones.....
  • Well, "carry the phones and I'll release your loved one" is not the best way to start a Tweet. Not hatin' on you, jus' sayin'.
  • Really? Well then... I might be blocked next. I essentially said carry it or I will leave with a bunch of other accounts.
  • Except if you buy unlocked, there won't be wi fi calling.
  • I have never used Wifi calling, but I use skype and WhatsApp calling to talk to family overseas. What I'm trying to say is that there are ways...
  • That's different. WiFi calling is when you go home where your TMO signal will suck and when your phone connects to WiFi, your voice calls will now come through WiFi. Essentially, you got a nice strong mini cell tower in your house.
  • Yes, I'm glad I switched to T-Mobile. But since I always buy my phones doesn't matter as long as Ms sells them unlocked
  • I only saw the 950XL listed for sale on the Microsoft site. Is the 950 also listed and I missed it?
  • I was just there and the 950xl is the only one of the two on there.
  • I don't see the 950 on the store site either. Makes you wonder what the deal is
  • You would think all of this would have been sorted out before the big reveal, considering there were months to prepare. Maybe the person who was in charge of that got laid off.
  • Att is selling the 940 so MS won't.
  • Do the phones have all of the bands needed? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Yes, check the specs. They cover all TMo bands including Band 12 (700mhz LTE).
  • Whatever happened to other OEM flagship phones running W10 Mobile? HTC, LG, Samsung, Acer, Sony, etc. Later this year??
  • The Acer is supposed to be early next year, I think.
  • That's all fine and dandy that Microsoft will be selling them both unlocked but will they work on Verizon's network?
  • No.
  • Switch from Verizon, buy an unlocked phone from Microsoft, get a carrier with wifi calling or Skype, ... to supplement for the cell service. Less cost in the long run.
  • The operators might be demanding way more discounts than the margins allow. Microsoft can not just give devices away
  • Frankly, they need to just break even at this point to sell their phones. They need marketshare in the US and they need it desperately.
  • They need to send the guy in the purple fedora to sort it all out like a productivity boss.
  • No sure I trust T-Mobile's statement after the way they have been pushing WP to the back of the store in the past, not marketing it, not recommending, and not carrying it and then complaining of low sales. The 640 sells quite well but T-Mobile set out to kill it. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I was on their site a few minutes ago and no filter option for the Windows OS when shopping for smartphones. There is, however, the 640 shown on the front of the smartphone page.
  • Verizon just sucks!
  • People should buy those phones in large numbers directly from Microsoft and tell all carriers a big, fat F*** YOU! I remember all too well how AT&T dragged updates and other carriers didn't do then at all. Buy unlocked, make those phones a success and have the carriers fight to carry the next version. The survival of Windows Phone is now literally in the hands of the users.
  • Very inspiring. I agree. Dont waste your time buying carrier locked devices. It's 2015!
  • I agree and plan to switch carriers and buy an unlocked phone from Microsoft. It makes the most sense.
  • I assumed, because of those aggressive price points, that they were unlocked devices that could be used on any carrier. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Well, with all the bull that's been floating around all day. I think the two CEO's need to talk. They both profess to have their customers best interest in mind. This might be a good time to make good on the claim. For both of them.
    I've always thought Windows phone and T-Mobile would be a good match.
    So suck it up you two, make it happen!
  • Me too. Tmo is a revolutionary cell service while Lumia is a revolutionary device.
  • First of all, it's carrier unlocked. Second, I think that MSFT and TMo must have broken relations after TMo got rid of the Lumia 640 so quickly after taking so long to get it up and they didn't even have any store demos for it. I'd rather buy unlocked anyway; when windows 10.1 comes out I don't want to wait for TMo to get their fingers out their bums to update the phones for us.
  • Hmmm...i might have to switch...as much as I hate Tmo. ATT plan sucks for an individual.
  • What? My last bill was $69.67 for Mobile Share Value 2GB with Rollover Data. Unlimited txt and calls.
  • 2gb won't cut it for me.  Although, now that I have re-established internet at home I'm not using as much network data.  But, I like having a cushion on the mobile side of things.  ATT's comparable plan to my current bill is $140 before taxes.  I pay less than $100 after taxes and I have unlimited everything.
  • Microsoft is like an elephant, it has a long memory.
    This feud started long ago. It started when T-Mobile decided to carry the first android phones, Microsoft tried to use its might to force them not to carry it due to its patent claim over android and this tiny little T-Mobile stood up to them. Microsoft need to pick its balls up off the floor and accept the it lost and work to make these phones available on all carriers or I may walk away from Microsoft. They make great hardware but keep blowing it every time. TheManFromEarth
  • Too late in the day to be smoking stuff that strong.....
  • Microsoft and Google dropped all lawsuits against each other, which invalidates your little theory. This is a different Microsoft.
  • If TMO is going to carry the phones but then not support it and EOL device after 3 months then what's the point?? Better not go through carriers at all. Unlocked FTW. At least unlocked phones will get updates OTA. Think about that first instead of bitching.
  • Welp. Put up or shut up time. My money is here if you two can play nicely, Tmo and MSFT
  • Nice for customers who need a payment plan. Unfortunately I'm spoiled by carrier unlocked phones. To the Microsoft Store Batman!
  • "Pow!!!" Take that, evil carriers!
  • Yeah that's right, eff AT&T!
  • I hope that T-Mobile does offer either or both new Lumia Phones,,,I switch to T-Mobile from ATT,,not long ago....to save money...And I want to buy one of the new Lumia's....
  • nice to hear that T-Mobile is supporting
  • The other reason to always buy unlocked is you can use internet sharing to give data to other people and devices. If you buy locked phones from AT&T they block internet sharing unless you pay an additional monthly fee.
  • Yes. Please Microsoft, I want this phone on the pink T! You'd make me so happy come the holidays!
  • I love how he completely lied about all new phones in 2015 would get Wi-Fi calling option, have HTC m8 here and STILL waiting....
  • Very interesting, but still perplexing when taking into account the whole picture. Microsoft needs to come out and be upfront about their strategy (i.e. selling direct?/selling through carriers?/payment options). Am I the only one who thinks they glazed over the Lumia presentation as if they can't wait to get the 950/950XL out of the gate, sell however many sell, but really not care? Panos kept making comments about how "passionate" and "inspiring" the Lumia team is, not so much craze about the Lumia devices themselves. To be honest, he is a Surface guy and that clearly is where his heart is, but I don't think he's genuinely proud of the 950/950XL. I think deep down, he can't wait to work on a phone that has more of his input from the beginning.
  • #Drama! Just recall what Satya said in his email..."we will have to make some difficult decisions". If carriers don't promote the phone then that in itself does harm to the platform. Remember that, at least in the UK, when the first iPhone launched it was only on one carrier. When/if carriers start losing money/customers, perhaps then they will treat Windows Phone with the respect it deserves.
  • So how come this guy doesn't just call MS and say "hey those phones look great. Hows about we talk about getting then to tmobile customer base?". I bet if apple has shunned them they'd be doing that for the iPhone
  • It's in any carrier's interest to feature the iPhone. With Lumias it's probably the other way around... So anyone would expect MS Marketing to talk to as many carriers possible. At least that's what I would expect
  • That should have been taken care of way before Tuesday. At minimum these 2 phones should be available on TMo and Verizon as well as ATT from day one. I don't know about Sprint-have they ever had a WP?
  • Sprint has had a few. They currently have the 635, I believe.
  • That's great, I just waiting to upgrade my htc one m8
  • " Microsoft will be selling both devices unlocked through the Microsoft Store, so you have nothing to worry about if you're going the unlocked route."... what? ..... Is this an error? Or is Microsoft really gonna sell the 950 as well? .... Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Not an error, they have said that it will be available from them too. Just unlocked.
  • Whether T-Mobile (or Verizon, Sprint, ....) carry this new crop of W10M phones or not, likely won't affect the total market share that WP will or won't gain. At least in the short term. Why will WP suddenly be IPhone-Droid slayers immediately? And why would the average smartphone buyer experience a completely different buying atmosphere in the U.S. carrier store?
    I think Microsoft has clearly decided a different strategy this time. I don't have a crystal ball, so I can't predict exactly what it is. But it is clearly not a repeat of the last strategy.
    Windows 10 changes so much. Changes EVERYTHING. And Microsoft seems both confident and patient. I like it too. But I'm a long-term type. So I'm optimistic.
    Best position I've seen Microsoft in for quite a few years.
    I know I KNOW, it's not what our instant gratification culture wants to hear. :)
  • It's so sad, the crap, The USA has to put up with. Sounds like a bunch of kids crying about, who's toy woody got stolen. Such a controlling bunch of folk.
  • You have the option to buy unlocked here. The whiners are just stuck in their ways. Many unlocked phones are now compatible with all carriers and they all have BYOD. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • What a disaster of MS in case they really didn't approach the carrier. Is it not their interest to be present with all carriers possible? Strange
  • 1. An unlocked phone from MS will work on TMobile so why do you even care? Worst case just buy from them directly. 2. How do you know that the reason they're not bending over backwards for TM or Verizon is because they know they wont market their devices (since they never have)? If they're going to have to do all the advertising and have the reps in tmobile and Verizon stores trashing their phones to customers then its better to not bother with them. You all talk about the way Verizon store reps talk about WP. You think MS wasn't sending employees to the stores to see it for themselves?
  • Buy your 950 from Microsoft, then use the carrier of your choice. Its that simple.
  • Microsoft needs to come.out ave just a phone event and talk everything windows phone 10 because the event this week was mot helpfull at all.
  • Build 2016! Lol.
  • Microsoft said Windows phones were no longer a priority. They are proving it now with these sort of things. It is a big risk buying one of these devices. We all know how Microsoft can treat its hardware when it doesn't sell. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's how I feel now.
  • I think that Microsoft it self is not confident in the success of the 2 devices now so they are avoiding another flop like wp7 and all the support from OEMs that ended no where hopefully they will put more efforts when they make new devices engineered totally in their labs at that time win10 will be ready with many Universal apps and maybe the possibility to put full windows on them
    But the possibility to buy the phones unlocked is definitely a good thing
  • Wp7 is old news., dredging that up isn't going to change anything. People in the US need to move away from subsidies and they subsidies structure has to change. Which it slowly is, in the other countries it's been the norm that once the contract is up and you don't upgrade your price goes down. Heck you can even sell the phone, get a cheaper phone and see out the contract.
  • WP7 and Windows 10 mobile look almost identical. The average consumer is not going to be able to tell a difference. These devices are DOA. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I'm sick of Microsoft not putting the right foot in the phone game and saying they want to do this and that mobile and cloud I mean make a phone that has style and bring it to all carriers and make one every year and bring features and apps to windows in general but nope they just lack!
  • I believe these phones are not exclusive to AT&T. Its just that only AT&T expressed interest to carry it at that time and MS didn't mind because MS Stores will bring this out unlocked. Legere just realized the opportunity these phones have for them, so they want it in their stores. However, they don't want to do the first move and waits for MS to ask, so they can give their own T&C. Some people here have mentioned some of these, like the marketing costs. TMo wants MS to bear the marketing costs.
  • If they are both unlocked then I will get 1 of each for the fam.
  • Microsoft is unlikely to wake up after all these years of deep coma.
  • These carriers all have their own agenda. And if I go by TMo previous WP efforts... I'm not excited. Last run of WP devices at any TMo store was met with constant employees asking, "Why do you want a Windows phone, what do they have/do?" Clearly, the company as a whole was not focused on their success. As a TMo customer I enjoy there service and have had ATT at the same time for over 4 years, so I've compared their performance. For the places I've been, its been the same. And that's driving across the US, living in Hawaii, flying to other countries and visiting family in Mexico. My TMo service has never failed me. Anyways, point being this... Im pretty much going unlocked, so I wont have to be inbetween cartier CEOs and MS decided what they want to do, getting updates, having certain features and so on. I have no time for that, so the high road (being the most expensive up front) is unlocked.
  • Unlocked is the best way to go really, it's cheaper in the long run but like you say more expensive upfront. If I grab the XL om contract it's £42-48 a month for 2 years (£1000+) if I go unlocked it's £550 upfront and £15 a month maximum and the best thing is I get unlimited data on 4G for being unlocked rather than pay more money for a 2GB limit on data. So there's a good £200+- difference and don't have to deal with all the support / update trouble. If you don't have the money upfront, wait a while save some money and in 6 months the price will come down a bit so you get an even better deal.
  • Do you know what is USB-C? Pretty much you can connect to few devices at the same times. Microsoft Office is free on 950 therefore you can treat your phone with Bluetooth keyboard and mouse directly with USB-C to the HDMI monitor/TV as a PC doing your Office work.
  • I am no economist but I think Microsoft should do whatever it takes at this stage to make their phones sell because the way I see with their all devices connected thingy via Windows, if Lumia sells will give them a dominance that would last a long time.
  • Come on Telus Bell and Rogers! Canada needs this!
  • Tmobile never get the windows phone devices that I like. I'm glad they are open to these phones.
  • No Dolby enhancement..?
  • MSFT needs to get the 950/950XL on all of the 3 bigs and do it now. Quit F-ing around MSFT, make it happen. I want it on T Mobile for personal, my fiancé wants it on Verizon for work and my brother on AT&T for work. Let's Go!
  • Verizon should just go and die! CDMA network that isn't compatible with any other network on this planet how retarded is that. OEM have to build specific phone for them... idiotic.
  • Is anyone else picturing a corporate party with both CEOs standing in opposite corners of the room going "Well I'm not going to say anything if he doesn't! He should come over here!"
  • U.S carriers being interested is not the same as actually trying to sell the phones. From a Microsoft perspective its probably a screw these guys, lets get at least one carrier and not even rely on that carrier to sell any phones, because they never put any effort in to it. Why should they this time?
  • But T-mobile actually wants to carry the phone though. What is Microsoft doing?!
  • The problem with especially US carriers is that they tend to not carry anything unless there is something in it for them even if there would be demand from their customers and they only roll over and whore themselves for the iPhone really. Thanks to having a unique and US only use of certain LTE bands more or less solidified that position. Unless phones are designed with a reprogramable LTE bands, able to adapt to the region they are used in this will not change. Also as Amuricans seem to not want to buy phones outright, but will depend on credit or  subsidised phones they allow the carrier power position to be maintained. In other parts of the world people are much more likely to buy their phones outright so the carrier has much less control over what the customer uses. I believe that these are also a main driver for why the iPhone has so much more marketshare in the US than almost anywhere else in the world.
  • I don't live in USA but anyway it's a cool news! ;)
  • Tmobile sells their phones at full retail and so does Microsoft store so why not just sell thru both outlets. At least customers at Tmo will be getting the phone on a monthly payment plan which will make it affordable. Will get some advertisement on Tmo website and in stores. Win Win for all . Don't understand how difficult this is
  • T-Mobile isn't going to waste shelf space on a loser. That isn't a win-win. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Wow that was positive /s
    Have a nice day dude cheer up.
  • Let's keep in mind, do we REALLY know if HE said this? Think about it, many CEOs do not respond to their own tweets. They have people that watch what's being tweeted and respond. This could very well be the case of someone from PR jumping the gun or paraphrasing something he actually said, but giving the wrong perception in their own delivery. Let's wait nd see, before we go crucifying MS for not doing anything.
  • Those are all of his responses. That's just how he is. No one handles his Twitter account but him.
  • The 950 still does not exist as a product in the MS store, so it doesn't really matter if there are demo models in stores, if TMo doesn't carry the phone, and MS store doesn't carry the phone, then it is exclusive to AT&T in the end.  If anyone needs me, I will be hanging out with the whiners;  I really feel like my loyalty to WM has been handed back to me.
  • They are not in MS stores (only demos) yet because they haven't start selling them? They always said Nov. but you can preorder what seems to be the problem?
  • Sure unlocked will work on TMobile but then you use the useful wifi calling feature!
  • Wow, Yesterday everyone was whining "You mean I'll have to use At&T or pay full price" now you lambast John Legere for getting bent out of shape when it looked like Microsoft pulled an end run. So last night he went on twitter, and in his own style opened the door to Microsoft. Invited them to call and discuss the situation. Now based on past history, something about the fire phone, and the 635. Microsoft doesn't have a great track record with T-Mobile. Now that was "The old Microsoft". The one who didn't know how to sell phones or support phone carriers. The "The New Microsoft" knows how to make state of the art software, build spectacular hardware, but they apparently still don't know how to market phones in the United States. Enter T-Mobile, from what they say they're shaking up the industry by putting customer concerns first, or so they say. And....they know how yo sell phones! Can anyone see where this is going? This is what needs to happen.
    Tmo and Microsoft make the deal happen. Right now Microsoft needs T-Mobile, its the right match. They both need to make a commitment. Microsoft needs to send those pretty displays to T-Mobile stores, train the staff about the phones, train customer support, create some excitement with the reps so they want to sell it. Take responsibility for system updates, work with T-Mobile techs so the updates are on time and bug free on the network. And T-Mobile, expend a little energy this time. Don't throw the phone out in the street and say, "You want it? Ah, its out there somewhere, I think WalMart has a few, in a couple days maybe."
    Give the Windows OS 20% of the effort you're giving iPhone and you'll have a lot of Verizon's Windows customers knocking on your door. And probably from AT&T as well. If you cary both phones. Ok, now everyone chime in. I'm done...almost.
  • You really think John Legere meant it? Sounded arrogant to me. We dont know what has happens behind the doors. T-Mobile have been treating WP ridiculously in the past who I to say that their demands aren't unreasonable?
    On a mother note you are lucky that you get phones heavily subsidized. Where I am from we mostly have to pay full price though I get unlimited sms/mms 16h talk and 20gb data and 4g for around 16$. Lumia 950XL cost 800$ :-o
  • John is an amazing guy. And I've worked for a couple like him. So I'm not surprised by the way he's responding to all the people bugging him about this.
    What he has done with T-Mobile and the telecom industry is pretty amazing. He figured out that finding out what people want and trying to build around that is good business. Now this thing with Microsoft. We're talking about two different worlds here. Microsoft is Windows. A name that's been around and synonymous with personal computing since the PC came out. T-Mobile is the now third largest mobile carrier in the US, thanks mainly to John Legere. So they both think they deserve a certain amount of respect in the industry. And they do. Microsoft probably doesn't understand that they need T-Mobile and John Legere on their side. And not just to put 950's on his shelf, but his talent for making things happen.
    Now T-Mobile doesn't need Microsoft....yet! If he sees the opportunity in what Windows 10 will bring, he can help write the next chapter of telecom history. He's still writing the current one. If you watched the show on the 6th, the Surface Book blew the doors off the room, in a really tough crowd, and with it the 950's. So that's what I see its all about. Two different companies coming together to change things, in the long run. Do they agree? I guess well find out soon enough.
  • By seeing Microsoft's lack of interest in getting their win phone 10 flagship on all carriers on home soil, I am afraid they might be taking the foot off the gas pedal on the phone division. You'd think they would be pushing win 10 phones heavily, but it looks otherwise...
  • All the carriers always look down to windows phone, it's a good thing they're selling those phone unlocked at least. I think, I'm gonna miss Wi-Fi calling; too bad it's carrier' specific.
  • The phones have WiFi Calling, just not on Band 12 without VoLTE.
  • Seriously hoping that both companies pull their heads out of their collective asses and make the phone more available. I was looking for an excuse to leave Sprint for T-Mobile, but for now it looks like I might go AT&T (cannot afford the up-front cost and potential losses of functionality by buying the unlocked version from MS).
  • What about the unlocked, wifi calling route? Where's that path?
  • There is a big difference from carrying a phone and supporting a phone. T Mobile has done minimal advertising for previous good or even great windows phones. I go in a tmobile store and ask about the phone immediately they try to sway me to a different phone. I know more about the phone then they did
  • Wow I wish Verizon CEO cared as much about customers as T-Mobile
  • Windows phone lack of success has nothing to do with the phones per say. It's the carriers.
  • T-mobile doesn't sound at all interested in WP. By the sound of it he even sounds arrogant. They want MS to beg but if WP10 isn't shit and the app come (by Astoria or ios equivalent) those are big IFs but if true then I think MS will do ok.
  • Seriously people
    Why is it such a big deal if Tmo carries them or not. I have had AT&T for decades and I will probably by the phone outright from the local MS store. It is far better to but these phones unlocked, and is this really that different then what Apple just announced last month? They are now pushing their unlocked phones with Apple care for almost the same cost per month as the carriers charge. And what was said earlier is correct, these kids in their stores are bias as hell and don't even try to push WP, why not take it out of their hands.
  • Terrible news... I was holding out for an upgrade from Rogers to see if they would carry the 950...
  • Actually, Microsoft seems to be taking the approach of selling its phones unlocked in the MS stores.  The deal is AT&T is reportedly not exclusive.  If MS wants to update the phones directly (which is a good thing), the other carriers may not be playing ball.  Selling unlocked is the way to get around that.  And as a TMO fan and customer, I'm calling a certain amount of bull on Legere.  TMO seems to have no commitment to Windows phones.  The Lumia 640 was never available in the retail stores, one had to hunt for it on the website, it was not promoted.  And then TMO pulled it barely two months after it started selling the handset.  No wonder it didn't sell.  And I can't blame Microsoft for not wanting to get in bed with an ambivalent carrier who does nothing to promote Microsoft's product.  It's an aspect of TMO that I don't like.  They could have had a runaway hit with the LTE version of the Surface 3 by offering it on EIP, but alas, they didn't. /end rambling rant TL;DR version:  TMO doesn't like or support Microsoft products.
  • PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE MAKE IT SO !!
  • People don't forger that Legere was around when TMO decided to drop support for the Lumia 810 and the HTC 8X. I would rather support MSFT and get an unlocked device and use it on TMO then get a TMO branded Lumia device. Carriers are just dumb pipes and that is how we should treat them. 
  • VZW loves putting as many tattoos as posible on the device including their really big ....nvm and the ATT death star logo on the back is hilarious!