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Microsoft Surface Duo appears at FCC ahead of possible early launch

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Surface Duo (Image credit: Microsoft)

What you need to know

  • Surface Duo appears at the FCC.
  • It confirms LTE bands, and model number 1930.

We've been reporting for some time now that Microsoft is planning to launch Surface Duo much earlier than originally planned. Announced as a Holiday 2020 device, we believe Surface Duo will actually launch ahead of schedule, sometime this summer, meaning the product should be ready for pre-orders in a few short weeks. Today, it appears the Surface Duo is passing through the FCC, if Droid-Life's excellent sleuthing is anything to go by.

Surface Duo passing through the FCC means the product is almost ready to go. Internally, I'm told Microsoft is currently in the production validation stage for Surface Duo, which is the last hurdle before real production begins. This stage only takes a few short weeks, and I'm told we're at the very tail end of this test phase now. Microsoft is expected to start ramping up production of the Surface Duo very soon, in time for a late August or September release.

Droid-Life points out that the FCC mentions "both screens" and different hinge-angle tests alongside network tests. Droid Life also says that these tests confirm that the product has NFC, but I believe that's wrong. The mention of NFC in one test does not mean it will have NFC tap and pay support. I continue to hear that the retail units for Surface Duo do not have support for tap and pay.

Duo FCC Network Test

Source: FCC (Image credit: Source: FCC)

Interestingly, the FCC listing is under a confidentiality agreement until October 29. This means that if Microsoft doesn't want things like the user manual and internal or external photos of the hardware to leak before general availability, it will likely want the Surface Duo to launch way before then. I've been hearing for some time that Surface Duo will ship this summer, and this confidentiality date lends more credence to that plan.

Now that Surface Duo is passing through FCC, we're not far from the finish line. FCC approval is one of the last hurdles before a product can go on sale. And usually, it's only a few weeks between a product showing up on FCC and pre-orders for said product being announced, at least in the case of Microsoft hardware.

I'm told Surface Duo will ship with a Snapdragon 855 processor, 6GB RAM, and 11Mp single camera, up to 256GB storage, and with a 3460mAh battery. I'm told the product doesn't have 5G, wireless charging, or NFC capabilities. You can find my full specs list here. What are your thoughts on the Surface Duo? Are you excited that the device is almost ready? Let us know in the comments.

Zac Bowden
Zac Bowden

Zac Bowden is a Senior Editor at Windows Central. Bringing you exclusive coverage into the world of Windows 10 on PCs, tablets, phones, and more. Also an avid collector of rare Microsoft prototype devices! Keep in touch on Twitter: @zacbowden.

213 Comments
  • I remember how desperate I was for the 950's launch, this has been wayyy worse, might be my first impulse-buy ever
  • Is it really an impulse buy if you plan to buy it weeks or even months in advance?
  • So ******* true!!
    This dual screen concept is IMHO way more mature than what you can get with the current state of flexible screens while bringing anyway potentially huge user experience benefits. Can't wait to get it :p
  • We have had a few dual screen devices and the user benefits have been minimal. The most recent device is the new LG which has better specs than the Duo. I don't think making it a bit thinner is going to change much once you have it open with both screens in front of you.
  • Those are great specs for 2016.
  • No one is buying this for it's hardware specs.
  • Yes, those who want the best chips, better camera and small bezels will have to wait for gen 2 ou 3. But the Duo is by nature very promising. I still regrets so much Windows Phone tiles interface (the best part for me was the pinned contacts / contacts groups / music playlists / Music albums that was so nice and fast to use on a daily basis). Its so fnny that iOS 14 brings some live tiles elements and I hope Microsoft will bring an Android UI that brings back the best parts of it.
  • I would argue that they are. Just not *those* specs. It is still a unique piece of hardware in 2020. Of course, how this can compete with devices like the Fold that don't have an annoying central bezel is beyond me.
  • The Android skin (Duo OS) of the Duo seems so far more useful, but I gather the price would be the most important point. Not sure at what the Duo will be priced, but it will definitely be cheaper than the Fold (/release price). The question remains how much though.
  • Since Microsoft likes to use their hardware as a driver for their services, I'm hoping that they decide to sell the Duo at a $800 price point. Now, I'll still buy it if it's more than that, but I would think just to get people to buy in, they might want to sell it low. Plus, unlike their normal Surface line, they don't have to worry about upsetting their OEM partners by selling at a price point that undercuts their partners.
  • Completely agree, hopefully MS will be doing this but the current rumors is that it will be beginning at $1000 but the rumors could be wrong of course.
  • I was excited at first, but now I'm not sure what people are buying this for. Sure specs aren't everything, but they built a device centered around multitasking that will have performance bottlenecks as soon as you run more than one app.... Then you have a mediocre camera, inability to take quick photos, see notifications easily (the peek feature just compensates for what smartphones already do easily), decreased pocketability, and a more awkward device to take calls on. Effectively you have a weak smart phone with underpowered productivity features. It seems like It'll be great for email and maybe browsing the web, but for everything else I just see it falling short compared to other products on the market. I kind of expected them to create the ultimate gamer phone or video editing phone or something, but they basically just created a version of the 2010 MS Courier. The market has progressed quite a bit in the past ten years..... If I want a great email or web browsing experience I can just whip out my iPad mini or Surface Pro. I don't need to compromise on a phone to get all those other features when I need them. However the more I look at the Surface Duo I just see a lot of unnecessary compromises. If Windows Phone was still around and it morphed into Windows 10X then I could see some potential here, maybe some integration with Xbox and using it as a secondary controller, but effectively this is now an Android device competing in an ocean of Android devices. I still use my 950XL every day and it looks like in the next few weeks I will be replacing it with an Android device, but unfortunately not this one....
  • I don't understand why you think this device will have performance bottlenecks. Could you please explain that to me?
  • I thought I was pretty clear.... Multi-tasking on two screens requires more resources. So if you're using the duo as intended you're going to take a performance hit having multiple apps in focus at the same time. When you compare it to a single screen device with a faster CPU and more memory those apps will run faster. Not to say that those apps won't run on the Duo, but they will be noticeably more sluggish compared to another device.
  • explain why. I have the Samsung Galaxy S10+ which is very fast. In 2019, it was flagship class. So you're saying it's suddenly midrange after less than a year? Are you ignoring the fact that the 865 doesn't bench much faster than the 855? The main feature of the 865 is an external 5G modem. Being external was a major mistake but unavoidable. Qualcomm couldn't fit the modem on-die which resulted in the 865 being very expensive with little improvement.
  • I just did... again.... multiple applications active at once which is one of the primary use cases for this device.
  • And this will be a problem on this device?
  • It's like you don't know that android phones [FOR YEARS] can run 2 apps in the FOREGROUND; active apps.... Not in the background... Like, as in, RIGHT NOW. What are you going on about?
    You are clearly super ignorant. Just get informed bro rather then present arguments that are just fantasy. You're currently making a fool of yourself.
  • My OP 5T is running an SD835. I closed more than 12 apps the other day. I have never had to close apps to keep performance up. I doubt there will be a bottleneck issue with this chip based on the way people use phones. This has more than enough horsepower to run at least two apps simultaneously with plenty more idling in the background. Stop trying to dismiss it before anyone has actually used it.
  • There really is no way to close apps. You just removed them from the recents list.
  • Applications open in the background is different than having multiple active applications at once.... The reality is this device is not being sold in a vacuum and when you look at the features of other top smartphones in the market this falls short, and is more like a mid-range phone. If you're not looking for a flagship device and all you care about is a portable device to write emails on, or a business tool of some kind, and you're willing to pay a flagship price for it, then this is probably the device for you. However for the vast amount of consumers the novelty of having two screens is going to wear off quickly. If you're looking for a daily driver device that will replace a flagship phone, then this falls short in all the areas that I mentioned.... To make this device competitive with other smartphones it needs another screen and camera module on the outside. As it is now it is just an expensive email and note taking device.
  • For the umpteenth time...
    Say [read] it with me. This. Device. Is. Not. Meant. To. Be. A. Top. Flagship. Phone. Ready for this. Surface Duo + phone = not equivalent. Got it?
    Still No? Wow, you are dens... Nvm. Um...let's try it this way Think of all the smartphone phones. Put them in one big group . Now put Duo outside that group. There ya go... You're doing good. I see it conceptualizing in your head... Oops! You lost it. Dang!!
    I was rooting for you, too. Shoot! Oh well... Guess it's officially time to give up on you getting it.
  • I seriously don't understand why people feel the need to be insulting over a freakin device that's not even out yet... Seriously, chill dude. The world will not end if someone on the internet disagrees with you. First off, this device isn't "meant" to be anything. However if it is priced as a flagship (which is highly), then without a doubt IT WILL be compared to a flagship phone. That's just the reality. Someone making a choice between this device and others on the market will obviously be making those comparisons. If the Duo comes out priced at $400 then I take it all back, but I seriously doubt it, by most accounts it's probably going to be over $1200. At that pricing most people without a lot of disposable income will realize they can get both a flagship phone and something like a surface go and have a far better experience. Lastly, I already put it outside the flagship smartphone group if you bothered to read the second paragraph of the comment you're responding to....
  • "I seriously don't understand...", yea, I can see. You've made that abundantly clear.
    Insulting? I've said nothing to you in a scornful abuse manner. This is just facts sir. Something you haven't been true to; which is why it's clear to see you don't understand. If you do feel insulted by facts, what you're experiencing is self-affirmation that you're ignorant. If you don't like that feeling and want to change it, just stop being ignorant and get informed. Don't place the blame of you feeling like that on the catalyst. Place it on the foundation, which is you. This device is meant to be something. A Microsoft spokemans and head of the group who created this has stated this sir. This is just facts. Valid comparisons will be made with other devices that are meant to be more than a smartphone. Not with phones. Sure, you can compare toilet paper to A1 paper because they're both paper but who cares. That comparison is invalid. Why would people with not a lot of disposable income be buying ANY premium device? They don't. You clearly don't understand the market. Also, how could people who couldn't afford a duo if that's priced as a premium, buy a premium flagship smartphone priced at anywhere between $1200-2000 and a surface go which is another 400 to almost 700? You are just ignorant. Like blatant, profound ignorance. 😂 🤣 😂 Please just stop. I beg of you!
    That's $1600- $2700 for someone with not an abundance of disposable income. Yea, you pay that much, you should be getting a better experience than the duo. I've read what you wrote. That's why its clear to see how ignorant you are.
    I'm telling you black isn't a color and you're arguing why was it on your 4th grade color wheel then.
  • You went into a strange conversation with yourself and called me "dense". So you appear to have some weird anger issues. So I'm just going to ignore your weird personal monologuing and try to get to your arguments. --"Why would people with not a lot of disposable income be buying ANY premium device?" Obviously the iPhone and Galaxy S devices are considered premium and a lot of people still buy them because people can justify the purchase being their primary device. Especially when it's carrier subsidized. Not many can afford to have a phone as well as another device as a "conversation piece" or "side gadget". This is a pretty straight forward concept that anyone who remotely knows about the market would get. --"Also, how could people who couldn't afford a duo if that's priced as a premium, buy a premium flagship smartphone priced at anywhere between $1200-2000 and a surface go which is another 400 to almost 700? " Because someone can use a Surface Go as a laptop for work or school which they need anyway and flagship phones are carrier subsidized... Wow you're entirely clueless about this market dynamic aren't you? Do you seriously think most people drop more than a grand for an unlocked phone? 😂 No, they don't People who work in some way need a smart phone and a computing device. Your claim is that the Surface Duo isn't meant to be a phone so therefore it isn't a requirement for tens of millions of people that require a phone. It's only a requirement for people who want to buy it as a conversation piece or side gadget which basically makes it a niche device.
  • There's nothing to explain. They are clearly just rambling about something they don't know. Phones with the same chip have been multitasking with apps. Its clear that he doesn't even know how to view the device "if I want to web browse or email, I'll use my iPad mini or surface pro" but before that puts the duo in the phone category even though it's know that this device isn't aimed at being the best phone. If there's a place for them to use an iPad mini then there's a place for them to use the Duo. Period. IPad mini can't make cellular calls either. Don't waste anymore of your time with that convo. You're better than that.
  • Again this phone doesn't exist in a vacuum. The fact that phones have been multitasking with that CPU and memory is like saying PCs have been multitasking with Pentium chips and 2GB of RAM. "this device isn't aimed at being the best phone." That's my point.... I miss the days when Microsoft set out to create the "best" phone. Just like when they setout to create the "best" hybrid laptop. That is why I have a 950XL and Surface Pro, because they actually succeeded in doing that.... This is someone's side gadget, a conversation piece, it is not a daily driver device that people will rely on outside of a business scenario.
  • "again this phone..."
    Ugh... Even Jesus wept I supposed. Don't need to get past 3 words to know you're invalid. But I'll appease you. No, not the same. There is noticeable difference between pentium and core i9.
    That noticeable difference is not there between 855 and 865+.
    If you wanted a related metaphor, what you're making a fool of yourself claiming is more like 10900k chip is fine but the 9900k chip is suddenly underpowered... Like it wasn't just the top of the line chip. Ms didn't not set out to make the best phone. They leave that to their partners. Hp elite 3
    Ms didn't make the 950xl. It was just branded Microsoft. This is just facts, sir. You made that up. This will be someone's side gadget ; someone's conversation piece; someone's daily driver outside of business and there's nothing you can do about it. Just accepted it.
  • I never said it wouldn't be someone's side gadget or a conversation piece... Did you somehow think I was claiming that not a single person would buy it? 🤔 Maybe.... just maybe.... I was making an argument about whether it the device would have mass appeal or not.... You know the kinds of arguments people have been making for decades when new devices hit the market. Furthermore Microsoft did design and develop the 950XL. They bought Nokia's mobile device business years prior to the release of the 950/950XL. So I have no idea what you're talking about there, it wasn't just "branding".
  • No. Ignorance has always existed. Ok.
  • Man, you're rude person...! Ever consider that no one takes you or your arguments seriously, when all you can do is spew pejoratives and scorn?
  • It's android. You're not going to be playing Overwatch at full specs and 60FPS on it, unless through a game streaming service, and that would be handled mostly by cloud services. What is that slightly faster processor going to get you? An extra FPS or two in Candy Crush? How 'bout Love Nikki? Mobile games/apps are usually tailored to efficiency rather than how much processor time they can guzzle, because people are going to be easily frustrated if it eats the battery too fast and uninstall. Maybe I'm just jaded working tech support all these years, but nobody really gets 100% out of the hardware in these things. I love Samsung and all, but every time I see a little old lady using a $1.5k Note for facebook and nothing else, a little bit of me dies inside. None of these devices are being used to their full potential. May as well save some battery power and try something new. In the end, remember we still have a Nintendo DS being sold, and there's not a PSP to be seen. It's not always about how much hardware you can cram into a shell.
  • That's funny! I wonder if the specs will be impacted when users simultaneously use Teams and OneNote, for example?
  • Maybe that little old lady likes taking good pictures, scribbling with a pen, and enjoys a large display? Who are you to judge...?
  • If you only look at specs, you are not the intended target user for this device.
  • Those specs didn't exist in 2016. I own the Samsung galaxy s10+ which came out in 2019 which had the same 855
  • I honestly got tired of waiting and bought the LG Cup and said I'll just wait for the Surface DUO 2.By that time they should have gotten everything right spec wise for us geeks.lol
  • DUO 2?! You are bleeding edge. It'll take at least 2 more interations to get it right, and then a typical Surfacer hardware/power managment disaster will hit, so 3 more years, still with year old hardware ... ... IF MS doesn't just cancel it like everything else that isn't Nadela-Blessed.
  • the only question is: jump in early or wait for V2.0 ...
  • wish there was an upgrade path.
  • There will be no V2 because this will fail. I'm sure it will not be cheap too.
  • It depends what you expect by failure. The first Surface failed compared to the iPad right? Still, Microsoft improved it, shaked the laptop industry with the Surface Pro 3 (and the designer world with the incredible Surface Studio) and now the Surface Brand is way beyond 1 billion dollar every trimester... So I am pretty sure that this first Surface Duo with sell in very limited numbers, a hundred thousand only maybe. But then Gen2 will improve the experience, then Gen3...
    Microsoft is slowly coming back in mobile and may succeed where Google failed with its Pixel line. The Surface strategy is a long term one, and what they did on PC could work as well on mobile. I think the only thing that really matters with this first Surface Duo is how the User Experience is different than competitors and if so which are the benefits. If it brings the same value than other Surface with gorgeous unique design as it looks to be its a first step in the right direction but it needs to deliver on the software side even more.
  • Even v1 failure is relative. I have a Surface Pro 7 at work and still use a Surface Pro (from 2012) at home. The v1 starts up in under 10 seconds from cold until ready to use and runs all the most recent software - even PhotoShop. It's built like a tank. Yes, there are things about the 7 that I like better, and I get it that it didn't sell like crazy, but at the end of the day, for the buyer it should matter whether it serves her/his needs. And even the Surface Pro original could do that (and who knows, maybe Microsoft learned a lesson along the way...).
  • Surface Pro 1 is just an ultrabook. Not a great example.
  • Surface Duo is just an Android phone. You're also missing the point that Pro 1 was a Microsoft-branded PC that its OEM partners perceived as a direct threat to their business, the device undersold compared to production, was not well received, was doubted as a viable new category for PC, and generally mocked. It's a great example, actually.
  • That's why I feel they should price this lower, since they don't have to worry about ******* off any of their OEM partners. What I really want to know, is will they advertise the Duo? Will we see any tv commercials or anything else to help drum up excitement?
  • It is a bit more than just an Android phone, although not much. Maybe you do have a point. It will do Android phone things just like the SP did ultrabook things.
  • I said it will fail, because this is targeted for business users and enterprise. If the price is expensive then companies will not make the switch. And for other customers, I'm sure they prefare a better camera at least.
  • I could see it being used by restaurant or warehouse workers. It would make an okay general tool for business, however they are probably going to want a camera on the outside so they can scan while doing stuff and not have to flip the screen around. Kind of like the original Courier. However for your general sales guy or executive, they will probably find it super awkward for taking calls.
  • "Cheap" is relative, it likely be cheap compared to the Fold, but of course not to a single screen phone.
  • The LG isn't priced very high and has much better specs.
  • The LG has crap software support and not to mention crap update support. Also it is priced high with the new model if you buy it later and not on launch (since than you have to pay 200 bucks extra for the 2nd screen).
  • Software isn't going to make the difference here. The LG is perfectly capable of running Android apps on one, two, or both screens at once. The launcher isn't going to make a productivity difference. Updates don't matter on Android.
  • Obviously software is going to make a difference with dual screen device and update support is important to keep certain android apps that get updated regularly working correctly/smoothly besides other rather obvious advantages.
  • The MS Fanbois will never give up.
  • Really hoping we're surprised by a mid August launch. But my guess would be closer to September if August at all.
  • I'm thinking they'll have an announcement/showcase with pre-orders available around August 11th for a September 1st release.
  • I will definitely buy this phone.
  • With Samsung slated to announce the fold 2 the first week of August, the Duo is going to be woefully underpowered by comparison. Probably going to wait on a Duo 2, if there is one.
  • I'm curious ... underpowered to do what, or in what way exactly? Are the devices using this chipset currently "woefully underpowered"? Isn't this the chipset in the Pixel 4 and S10?
  • Pixel 4 and S10 are two generations back at this point.
  • And? If the argument is "I don't want anything but the most current chip" that's fine. But that wasn't the assertion. So, is the chipset underpowered, as claimed, or not?
  • Yeah, it will be underpowered compared to the 865 and it won't have 5G, which is quickly becoming mandatory. Like with 4G vs 3G, once you get used to it, falling back to 4G is noticeably slower. It is rare unless I am a ways out of the city before I lose a solid 5G connection.
  • That just your experience though, in many areas there is hardly any difference between 4g and 5g and will be for next coming years. Also 5g uses more battery life which is a big negative. Performance wise, the 855 is already pretty good so I am not sure if the difference will be noticeable for the work that will be done on the Duo (Office, emails, browsing, notes etc.).
  • 5G does perform much better right now ... because very few people are on those towers. The actual performance of currently deployed 5G vs LTE is only a moderate improvement. But if that's a requirement for you, fine. I still think the beating of the drum on 'under powered' is just tech people demanding the latest and 'greatest' even though they can't point to a single thing that quantitatively matters in that metric.
  • It is quite noticeable when on 5G for whatever reason, probably congestion as you state. I tried turning off 5G to save battery and couldn't stand it.
  • What is it you can do with current specs, that you would not be able to do with this device and it's two generation old specs?
  • Brag about having the current specs.
  • You forgot to say "duh"
  • Elementary... Current specs will, most likely, be sufficient two years from now, two generations old ones not likely.
  • Depends on what you're going to do on it. For gaming I might agree, but how many people would buy the Duo for gaming?
    Consider that a recent SD ~6xx will be already good enough (/smooth) for most stuff on a mobile, the 855 will definitely be fast enough the coming years. People tend to forget how fast phone processors already are. The lag they experience seems to be more because of the amount of background apps, the need for a phone factory reset or the lack of update -> optimizations (while the apps used in the store do get updated).
  • This device is based on running multiple apps. You definitely want all the power you can get for that, especially in a year or two as apps mature. You are also lacking 5G which will definitely be an issue after a year with this phone. The price will need to reflect these issues.
  • "The price will need to reflect these issues.", not really issues (more like making an mountain out of a molehill) but I do agree that the price needs to be relatively low ($800 or such).
  • There's is negligible real word difference in speeds between the 855 and the current Gen chips. Even that, only affects loading times which, in itself, is negligible.
    There is currently and won't be ANY android apps that need anywhere close to 6gb of ram. Do you know how much overkill that is for current Gen phones?! The only place it counts in real world applications is spec sheets. Manufacturers only started doing that for differentiation on spec sheets to appease tech press and geeks because we've long past the point that EVERY phone is good nowadays, spec wise. Aka NOBODY REALLY CARES. You may have an argument for 4g vs 5g but even you know we are a few years out from that being ambiguous which means this device isn't out of place when it comes to timing.
  • You're trying to do on two screens what most phones do on a single screen. As soon as you try to run heavy apps on both screens and suddenly it will feel very much "underpowered" compared to it's single screen counterpart that has a faster processer and more memory. This will become even more apparent over time as developers target better specs.
  • You're not going to run 2 heavy apps on it though because the screens are still phone-sized screens. More like opening Teams in 1 screen and e.g. onenote or browser in the 2nd screen. Or something with literature or browser in 1 screen and onenote/word in 2nd.
    Besides the SD 855 is not a snail by any means and 6gb of ram is good enough (though Android can be bad in ram management if people leave lots of stuff open).
  • Not saying it will not work or anything, just that there will be a noticeable performance hit compared to other flagships on the market. If all you're doing is running lightweight applications then you probably won't notice. But if you are using that second screen as a game pad for the latest games then it is something that people will notice.
  • It is marketing, they want to make you think you need to update in order for your android phone to be fast enough. The diff of ~25% between the sd855 and the newest cpu is there but it is not day night difference considering the sd855 is already fast enough for Android and will be for the next few years. I have a midrange phone with a midrange cpu (sd 630 or something such) and it is smooth. The sd855 should be a lot faster already.
    You can even game a bit on the sd855, but obviously it is not a phone you buy for gaming (this thing is to thin for that). This phone seams to be especially geared to productivity, communication (Teams, emails), reading/notes (onenote, pdf's etc) etc and possibly some art work since it supports the surface pen.
  • Literally won't notice the difference in day to day tasks between those two chips. If anything, connectivity is where you'll see the difference and 5g is years from being ambiguous. That guy is spewing nonsense
  • I think there will be more of a difference than people realize once you start using those two screens for heavy applications compared to a single screen device. Especially after a year or so.
  • Please stop the nonsense. Take the "heaviest" 4 android apps on a midrange Qualcomm chip and you won't come close to maxing it out. This is just facts. Stop the spewing of made up nonsense
  • The Fold 2 will also be woefully expensive.
  • I can't wait to test (and buy this device).
    Just a little remark though. N/A in the NFC section (according to the picture your posted with the article) isn't a result of the test but refers to the duty cycle used for testing (which doesn't makes a lot of sense for NFC IMHO).
  • Zac, the NFC is indicated as N/A for the 'Duty cycle used for SAR testing'. The reason that the testing is NA is because 'Measured Duty Cycle is not required due to SAR test exemption'.. This doesn't mean AFAIK that NFC is not available on the device.
  • Exactly, Zac, you should read more electronic datasheets ;-)
  • Maybe he just shouldn't ignore the two columns with data for NFC in the table.
  • I've updated the article to say that even though there's an NFC test, Surface Duo does not have tap and pay support. Trust me on this one, you won't be using tap and pay on a Surface Duo :)
  • Zac is that because it is a software issue? If the above comments are correct it is not a Hardware issue. Then if you are saying there is no tap and pay capability does that mean you can use NFC for other purposes? I used tap and pay some with my 950/928. But I realized it was not that easy to use in most retail stores. Maybe that has changed. I refuse to use oon my android phone. I usually shop at home depot every day. They dont have tap and pay systems. You use a card and cash (if you prefer) although I think they are trying to get rid of cash by only allowing one cash register to process cash. So I still think the importanceof tap and pay is limited in the real world. I guess all you starbucks people with your iPhones are happy with tap and pay.
  • Home Depot here also lets you use paypal. But i've never used that option.
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  • I've been told from several trustworthy sources that NFC is not present on the device. I don't know the ins and outs of how NFC works, and if there's different levels/configuration of it. It's possible that there's some NFC tech in there for the pen, I don't know. What I do know is tap and pay support is not part of Surface Duo V1 due to hardware limitations, with sources citing a lack of NFC as a reason.
  • Zac, I believe you and trust your sources. Do you think there's any chance that maybe MS intentionally hid this capability, even from their own internal users? Maybe figured they didn't need field testing during their internal pre-release phase, so MS people are telling the truth that it's missing, but in fact it will be there in the public release (and they just don't know it)? I'm thinking of how the very announcement of the Duo was also a surprise. MS has shown they can keep some things secret.
  • There's no reason for them to hide this ability and nothing else. It having NFC wouldn't have been news to any one. In fact, it's more news that it doesn't have it.
  • If the NFC isn't for payments it could be used for low power device charging, the NFC standard has recently been updated to include charging devices at a rate of 1W, not enough to charge the surface duo, but enough to charge the pen.
  • I will say this, I've been thinking I would sit on the sidelines for this device because of NFC. I don't use it that much, but it sure is handy when I do. If it does have NFC, I would probably be 90% to a yes on purchase. The question in my mind from this test is: if it is on-board, why is it not used?
  • I don't use it much either, and certainly don't need it. I do like it for vending machines, because I don't even need a wallet with me. Samsung's credit card support seems to be superior (I'm no expert), because it will also work on card readers with no mobile support. It somehow projects the magnetic field so that card readers think a card has been swiped. Very clever. That's come in handy a few times, but less and less as more devices are designed for mobile payment. Bigger deal for me is wireless charging. I have charging pads everywhere so I can just set my phone down and it charge. I even have a wireless charging mount in my car. I'm also concerned about a poor camera. It needs to be "good enough," which to me, means about as good for most photos as my Galaxy S10. I don't think I could take a step backwards with picture quality (maybe a very small step backwards is OK, but it would need at least as good, at worst, with my old Lumia Icon/929). But I'm really excited for the Duo. Taken altogether, I'm on the fence. Windows Central's review will probably tip me one way or the other.
  • As I have a Ticwatch C2 providing my NFC tap to pay capabilities, all I would lose in going to this device is the couple of DroidAutomate features I use on my Xperia XZ2 with my NFC Ring. Those are mostly gimmick things like triggering work/home notification profiles, so nothing I cannot live without.
  • I have been waiting for years for this one and somehow stretched the life of my HP Elite to get here. I learned along the way that I was upgrading way too fast in the past, and that I settled in on key apps for finance, mail, messaging, etc, and all the others were interesting but almost irrelevant to a business user. By stretching the life cycle of the HP I have saved enough money to buy this one out of pocket change. The duo will give me a greater range of apps, but I am betting that within 3 months I have once again settled in on the key ones and the others become an interesting distraction. As a business user I have little interest in things that don't produce profits or lower my IQ. I will get one and if it is as functional as it appears will upgrade to a version 2 before settling in for a longer cycle.
  • There were just too many things that I needed that WP couldn't do to do what you describe, although I tried for a few years. Amazingly, when I made the switch to Android, I realized that it is better in every way, and so I have never looked back. There is literally nothing--not one single thing--that I can think of that WP does well.
  • There were certainty things WP did better imo; more logical settings (especially related to privacy), OS used less storage, more secure OS, being able to pin more stuff to the home screen (also settings stuff like remaining data etc), glance screen, camera app (was better at the time) and more. But at the end there was no more Whatsapp support, which really killed it for me. And before that it was somewhat buggy and lacked add-ons for its browser.
  • Might be wrong but Microsoft mobile devices have never really had top specs as far as I can recall. If they can optimize the hardware and android it might run smooth with out it having top specs. Lets see what happens. If they still had Microsoft stores we could have tested it out before buying it. After the whole windows phone and consumer antics from Microsoft I find it hard to get excited about there products. Will try to keep an open mind.
  • None of the Surface hardware is released with top specs. That's not the point.
  • The higher specs improve game play/photo processing. Dont know about AI/ML capabilities. Seems that is more specific to a specific engine on the SoC. But for email/office/text/phone calls/pen support etc. Not sure the bleeding edge of specs is neccessary.
  • Excited for this but also curious. Is it based on Android One? How long will MS provide updates? If they're able to optimize the experience, high-end specs aren't a necessity. Looks like it could be a unique, beautiful, fun, tech experience. Tempted by Gen 1, but then again was also tempted (and bit) on Gen 1 of Surface and Surface RT lol
  • It does not use Android One but DuoOS (custom Android skin by MS); the reason is to add lots of features which make sense for a dual screen device. Updates wise it is save to say that MS will offer security updates longer than most of other vendors, feature/major updates however is still to be seen (I would guess at least 1 major update but maybe 2).
  • My S9+ has a slightly bigger battery at 3500mah, and has solid battery life. Be interesting to see how the Duo compares, with 2 displays instead of 1 OLED panel, and a slightly newer SOC (compared to the exynos on my S9+).
  • Haha, there could be variants? Really sucha delay could mean they had managed to pull together a v1.0 and v1.1 already with NFC? I mean the v2.0 device should also have a prototype by now at someone's hand.
  • I want one but no nfc no wireless charging not a great sale
  • Was looking forward to this but am concerned about the lack of Band 71.
  • Lack of Band 71 is a slight concern for me but hardly a deal breaker.
  • A fair point. TMO has vastly improved their network since the last Microsoft-branded phone was released. Will be interesting to see how it works on TMO's network, and if it supports wifi calling.
  • 3460 mAh for the ENTIRE device or per screen? It seems to me a dual screen phone with a battery that size might no make it 8 hours even if you don't push it. My OnePlus 7T has a 3800 mAh battery and I'm down into the 30% range by the end of the day.
  • amoled screen as on the OnePlus tend to use more energy than lcd screen as used on the Duo, unless you always look at dark/black backgrounds on the amoled screen. Optimization could also be worse on the OnePlus (maybe OnePlus bloat).
    My current (Android One) phone has something like a SD 650, fullhd+ screen and a 3500 mAh battery and at the end of the day I have 60-70% battery life over.
  • When I heard about NFC I almost changed my mind about waiting for SDV2.. But, if it doesn't have NFC I might still wait. I don't know; I will let you guys buy SDV1 first, and see what your take on the device is. Still can't wait, though. 👌🏽 👌🏽 👌🏽 I still have a lot of hope for the camera. I'm interested to see how MS has optimized such a small sensor. I bet the pics are acceptable enough. [self-promotion link removed]
  • I bet you get v1 No way you're skipping the first edition of Surface Scribe
  • Lol. 😂 😂 😂 If Scribe doesn't have NFC it's going to be a rough ride.. I LOVE USING GOOGLE PAY!!
  • There won't be a SVD2...!
  • And, how can you be so sure?
  • I don't use tap to pay at all, but couldn't you just use a Google Wear watch instead? Seems like a smartwatch, in general, would enhance Surface Duo.
  • Would make sense with this phone. Seems a lot more intuitive to use a watch for NFC than a dual screen phone.
  • Especially when it comes to notifications
  • @Daniel. You're right. I keep forgetting about that option. That's actually the best answer.
  • Nearly, but it might've also been fun to show your swanky new Duo off while making payments :D
  • @Daniel how would you use this on a smartwatch? unless a app for myki public transportation is available on a smartwatch, from Google Play, or any other smartwatch ecosystem, I sort of don't understand how something so cheap and a specification that is a standard, on most mobile devices doesn't have a release on a first generation product, from Microsoft, and why would they decide to limit its potential market, how can something as NFC be overlooked? Especially in today's world. I use this application most days https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/tickets/myki/mobile-myki/
  • I think wearables in general are going to be almost necessary with the Duo, between NFC, having to open the phone to see notifications, etc.
  • your facebook links are for a private group. i don't have an account so i can't see it anyways.
    later
    -1
  • Well, if you don't have a Facebook account it wouldn't do you any good either way. 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️
  • There are plenty of groups with public access, you don't need an account to read them.
    I'm on plenty of tech ones.
    later
    -1
  • So the leader of the Duo Facebook fan club isn't going to get the Duo?!?
  • I didn't say I wasn't going to get one, just not right away, and maybe not the first version. But, we all know how fast either one of those can change. Do you think Daniel Rubino owned every Windows Phone device ever made??
    I think not.
  • Not the same thing, not even close. But if you don't see the irony then 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️
  • Sorry, man.. Can't please everyone. Have a nice day. 🥳🥳🥳🥳
  • I'm in the same boat, rodneyej, but actually more concerned about wireless charging and the reports about the poor camera, but still hoping the reports will be good enough that I can justify buying it. I want to want it.
  • Wireless charging? It's cool, but for me the only place I use it is in my nightstand.. You may use it in more places, though.. The camera? I imagine it's possible it could be similar quality to what the 1520 was able to achieve. I don't think that's unreasonable. 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️
  • Wireless charging in the office is number one; just pick up the phone from the charging pad and back down when you hang up, no fiddling with cables...
  • Oh, I agree.. But, I still can live without it. It would be nice to have it in my car, though. Although, it's only my fault that I don't currently have it in my car.
  • I have it in my car, but since it cooked my battery. Wireless Charging is not a must anymore.
  • I could do without wireless charging, but no NFC would be a downgrade from my HTC U11 since you can't do mobile payments without it. Hard to justify getting another phone right now given that I'm largely stuck at home, but really interested in the form factor.
  • Ultimately I think the aspects that will really determine how this device resonates is price point, and utilization branding. Looking at the history of other Surface devices, the price has been projected around other "high end" devices of a similar build from other companies. What makes the Surface Duo unique is that you're looking at premium build shell with more "mid level" internals. While I don't think is necessarily a bad thing, as the average age of computing devices being used is three to four years anyway, if Microsoft doesn't establish a rational price for this device and can potentially create one. Then there's utilization branding. That is what is this device going to coined as: A cell phone, a mini table, an "all in one" device with telephony capabilities? This will go a long way to determining who will most likely sell this device and who the target audience will be. If cell phone super carriers like Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile are to carry this I would suspect they'd want to have to autonomy to lock it down and if they aren't able to why would they carry them? That leaves the Microsoft Store (online) and maybe places like Best Buy who care many of the other Surface computing devices. I will say that like the Earbuds that I think are a tad overpriced...I purchased them because of the seamless interoperability they provide with the Office Suite and Microsoft productivity applications, and that's what interests me with the Duo.
  • Seamless integration is a big issue and it seems like MSFT will make a big step here. The use of Android apps seems to be big for many but I find it to be a secondary issue to device compatibility and useful business apps.
  • They can't use iOS, and it doesn't have any more business apps. I am sure you aren't insinuating that Windows phone has any business apps?
  • My recommendation would be worrying less about NFC and more about schools that turn out kids that cannot make change to a dollar. Perhaps one reason kids today cannot do basic math is leaning on technology that is useful, but not necessary. At some point we will need to design the next financial system and that will be difficult with kids that can neither add nor subtract.
  • Regarding the mention of NFC in this table. If you notice after the N/A, there is a superscript 2. When you look at the document, that 2 directs you to one important piece of text. "Measured Duty Cycle is not required due to SAR test exemption." You can view the full report here: https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=4788381 with the referenced table being on page 13.
  • At WindowsLatest, they have always mentioned the 6GB/128GB variant, never read anything about this at WindowsCentral....
  • Windows Latest does not actually have inside sources, they merely repeat what they have heard elsewhere.
  • Hey Dan, you guys do awesome work and also are usually very clear when discussing rumors. Been my go to for several years now. You and the team are appreciated.
  • By "never" I'm assuming you've only been visiting the site for a few weeks. And that you've never listened to any of the podcasts in which the Duo has been discussed. I remember at least a couple when the storage options were mentioned. Anyway, here's the link to Zac's 5/15 article with detailed specs: https://www.windowscentral.com/surface-duo-specs-camera-ram-storage-soc-...
  • That article has been updated lately (july 2020), that is several weeks after i have read it.
    The update is the addition of the 128GB of RAM.
  • We posted Surface Duo specs months ago, before any other publication. :)
  • Could it be that others are not interested in Ms android.
  • Hope they don't "over ramp up" on production....as much as I'm super excited about this device, it's going to be very niche
  • As long as they ramp up just enough that I can get one on day one, i'm fine. If they under produce because of it being niche, then for people like myself that really want one, we might have to wait until the end of the year before it's back in stock.
  • If I can dual boot Android and Windows on ARM, I'm in.
  • Windows on a 5.6" screen? Worst user experience ever. Microsoft will never sanction that.
  • 2 x 5.6" ;-), considering there are already 7 inch Windows devices being sold it seems do-able actually.
  • Yes there are, but have you ever actually used one? Not picked it up and turned it on, but used one with Word, Excel, something like that? A have 7", 8", 9" devices and they are acceptable as long as you stay with store/UWP apps. Tablet mode helps too. Once you hit desktop mode and legacy apps, it's painful. Has been since Windows XP (Tablet Edition)
  • Not 7 inch one but I did used a 8 inch one for some time (chuwi). It was decent for Office/UWP stuff, videos and certain games on it. I think it would be nice for inking for the Duo, an area where I think UWP/MS store is much better in than the Playstore. I also don't like the amount of freemium junk on the Playstore, it is difficult to find something good (and especially something that values your privacy and data). A more minor thing but I think it could also be interesting for UWP developers, considering MS would open a small world of (probably productive/business/entreprise) mobile users for them. Stuff like Xamarin also works on Android but tends to miss (at least build in) certain functions that UWP does have (like the before mentioned inking controls). UWP is in my opinion pretty powerful, so it would be cool if it would be given more crossplatform options.
  • This. Plus there exists such a thing as external displays.
  • Two 5.6" screens. When you open it, it doesn't turn into a bigger screen. It is still two separate screens. Even if it did, Windows at 10" is a bit frustrating. 7" would still be horrific.
  • Two 5.6" screens do not add up to a 10" screen. More like 8.5". The measurement is diagonal. Everyone seems to misunderstand this.
  • Great timing by MSF for release of this device...Save you coronavirus unemployment benefit to purchase one...!
  • Might skip until V2. Still want to see what the Nokia 9.2 has to offer. Then I'll decide
  • Do people think this will launch in the UK or just the US? (I know these aren't the only two countries in the world)... And if it doesn't launch in UK but I order one from America, will i be able to use it in the UK?
  • I think so, I think it will ship to initially to US, UK, Germany, possibly Australia, and probably later on to more European countries etc. I can imagine MS prioritizing countries where the most Surface devices are being sold (that would include the UK iirc).
  • For everyone saying, they'll wait until V2, will Microsoft even bother to release a second version (even though they're working on it) if this one doesn't meet their expectations for sales...whatever that would be?
  • Good luck to the guinea pigs, will see if MS still supporting this in 2 years, been burnt too many times to invest anything at launch, especially if the spec list is accurate and coupled with the frustrations of editors with the Surface Range compared to what Dell and others are now pumping out. Hope they get this right and don't end up having a Windows 2004 moment, can you imagine? And that's thier problem nowadays, a lot of people will answer yes to that question.
  • Any indication of Dual SIM version?
  • Unless I can connect to an external display, mouse and keyboard, and use it as a Windows PC, I'm not interested...
  • Well, since it is not running Windows....
  • Indeed it isn't...
  • Which is why we aren't interested.
  • Why would you want to do that? This is a phone, not a desktop. You can find an old Dell for like $100 that would do that much better or carry a stick PC to plug into the random monitors, nice, and keyboards you seem to think about just sitting around waiting for you to plug into them.
  • That's the point, really... I want a phone-sized PC that'll do basic phone stuff (calling, texting) and work with a 7"-optimized version of Windows that'll turn this device into my PC when connected to an external display plus accessories. One device for everything! Android isn't a proper productivity OS (and I don't trust Google!), and Apple is out of the question for me, so...
  • Two things:
    1. This device is aimed at people like me -- professionals who are looking to carry fewer devices around with them. Having dual folding screens that allow me to see different things on different screens, plus a stylus to take notes, goes a long way in that direction. A device like this means that, for some (not all) meetings, I can just take my phone and not haul around a laptop or Surface Pro. But the Coronavirus means the same thing -- I've been stuck in my home office and having all meetings by video conference for the last four months, and that also means not having to haul a laptop or Surface to meetings to take notes. The coolest feature about the Duo is a lot less significant in the current environment.
    2. The specs look a lot like a Pixel 4. Sure, it has dual screens, so that's a plus, but the Pixel 4 has NFC, wireless charging, great cameras, etc., so they each have their advantages. I don't see a great argument for charging significantly more for the Duo than the Pixel 4. That means an $800 phone. At that price, I'd buy it, even though I'm not sure what I'll use it for while we're all in CoronaQuarantine. But if they try to charge much more than the Pixel 4, it's hard to justify.
  • It depends on what to want to do. If you just want a phone get the pixel.
  • I think it is more like having a small tablet (/Ipad mini) in your pocket besides a phone. For quite a lot of people (especially older ones but not limited to) the screen of a standard phone (eg Pixel) is to small to read much on it or watching videos on it etc. Hence people buying also tablets.
    Considering the camera, how good does it need to be? Do you most people really need the best of the best or is 'good enough' good enough? (since most people are not photographers, they just take photos to share them on social media)
    NFC; not everyone needs this and using a watch for it seems more intuitive than using a dual screen phone for it.
    Wireless charging: same as NFC, not everyone needs it.
    Granted MS should price the Duo lower than if it would have these extra features.
  • It isn't a tablet. It is a dual screen phone. The screens are separate when you unfold it. What you want is the Galaxy Fold. Spanning across the screens sucks. You have this awkward line down the middle. The strength of these devices is dual apps. The rest of the time you will keep the second screen folded away. I have been watching my coworkers with the LG. That is exactly what they do.
  • From the demos that Windows Central has shown, it seems the focus is more on using the two screens the way one would use two monitors on a computer. Also, the aspect ratio of the Duo resembles a tablet more than a typical phone.
  • Like PUtdpC30 says the aspect ratio is also important here. The LG one had a banana phone like aspect ratio, very different than the more ereader/ipad like ratio of the Duo.
  • I disagree. The strength of the phone is being able to span certain apps so that they utilize the two screens in a meaningful manner, like with outlook having the list of emails on the left screen and the detail/preview window on the right. If you haven't watched Zac's latest emulator video, you should. That's why the LG solution is not great atm... they don't have the software support for this sort of usecase, so you can either have an app on each screen or one full screen app with a massive bezel in the middle. The third usecase is what I think will make dual screens shine, and that's what MS/Duo is bringing on the software side.
  • That use case of apps taking advantage of two screens won't be limited to the duo. Once that app is live, it'll do the same on other dual screen devices like lg's.
  • Unfortunately, for an Android phone and the possibility of something like DeX support I would buy a Samsung product.
    If it was a pocket computer, with the ability to call voice and Continuum, then I wouldn't hesitate. But sorry, android computer, that sounds frivolous.
  • Continuum would be cool but I see a phone replacing a laptop completely not yet happening for many people, more like in the future.
  • Does this confirm Verizon compatibility? So excited! Oh man, just dropped $4000 on a Canon camera. And Xbox series X is coming up.
  • Dear Microsoft, I'm suggesting u to make ur own rom based on Android just like oxygen os rom. Custom everything exactly like windows 10 mobile (with new-updated ui). I know there are launchers out there, but it just a launcher, not the whole rom. Not a customized stock android. Ok now send this to them WC.
  • Wen in India? Sorry, couldn't resist 😁
  • I used to miss my windows phone as I loved the interface. Then I found launcher10 for my Android device and have never looked back. I get the exact same interface I had on my windows phone, but all of the apps the andoid phone offers. Now I don't care who makes the hardware which is why I no longer crave a windows duo. I plan on getting the Samsung fold 2 or maybe even the flip 2, could even settle for the LG velvet. For me, there is no reason to use Microsoft devices anymore. I have just been burned by them too many times as a consumer. The phones of which I had several, the watches I invested in, the music service, the Skype disaster, the Harmon smart speaker, the Cortana based smart thermostat, Cortana itself, etc. Now my surface studio is acting up with multiple BSODs on a regular basis since the last update. I am sure that extremely expensive system will be hitting the Microsoft discard pile along with all of the other Microsoft tech I purchased over the years before too long. Enjoy the duo while it lasts. No 5g, no nfc, no spiffy camera, limited ram, 2019 chipset, 2010 every thing else.
  • Woo-hoo! Only ANOTHER 2 YEARS and it will be somewhat OS/application stable operating with year old hardware specs, AGAIN.
  • It will be stable day 1. This isn't a new OS.
  • This is a new format. The same could have been said for the SurfaceBook I bought and then fought months to get good firmware with no BSD to the extent I bought a used MacBook Pro and reverted to that.
  • Android is unstable right now? Or are you just tripping ?
  • Yes? Android has been unstable for years... 😄
  • You literally just made that up
  • Don't pretend this wasn't sold on the promise of Win10X dual screens. If I want Android, I'll stick with a Note and a company that WANTS to make phones as their continuing business, instead of Nadela and his Cloud fixation with Panay now having to run the Windows business, too.
  • The surface duo WAS NEVER sold on the promise of running 10x. How about this? You show me where this device was sold since this announcement and I'll give you $100 through cashapp. You show me where this device was sold with the promise of 10x since its announcement and I'll send you a $1000. If you can't, then you send me that money.
    Like let's just bet.
    Might as well just put money where our mouths (fingers typing) are.
    I'm here for facts. Let's REALLY see who's pretending
  • I think I'll stick with an iPhone 12 this Winter. I'll wait and see if Microsoft cancels this project and stops updating it. If they are still making phone hardware in another 2 years, then I would look at switching. I've been burned too many times by Microsoft giving up on products early.
  • If they ever get around to building a Neo, I'll get one. No Android device for me.
  • I'll get it when someone manages to run W10x on it...
  • Same for me.
  • With people pressing forward on practical folding screen devices, why would any company like MS pretend The Future is Two Screens to the point of keeping a dedicated development team for the OS, much less trust MS to keep a dedicated development team for the OS for a 3rd party device? I'll stick to a Note and a Go 2 in a shoulder bag that doesn't depend on MS NOT abandoning an OS or actually developing for what will be an orphan OS in a couple years.
  • Win10X is Intel, not ARM. So you will never get it.
  • Ditto. But I think I may have to wait for GPD or another crowd funding company to make a foldable phone with 10x though.
  • It feels like this is a keystone moment for future of Microsoft's consumer product offering. Interestingly I see lots of people on here being very negative and reserved (I'm one of them, we've all been burnt before right...) but far more positivity from comment sections of general tech sites. If the device ends up getting more positive mainstream exposure the Microsoft has to hit the ground running. I also think Microsoft have been VERY open with leaks and photo ops from execs. Maybe too open... Do you think there's any chance they're trolling us with the form factor (hello 2014 bezels) and the missing decade old standard features (NFC, wireless charging)? I know I'm going to be wrong but I'm still holding out for a Surface Book moment at the reveal where they surprise everyone...
  • In some ways, I hope there are no pleasant surprises. Because if there are, that means Microsoft/Windows Central have been lying to us for years. As a Microsoft fan, that would be the last straw for me. This would not be clever marketing by exceeding lowered expectations. It would be lying. Trust is important. Don't let me down Microsoft. Don’t even get me started with the whole “leaks” thing.
  • You mean kinda like the 2019 reveal when they surprised everyone with this device?
  • This was supposed to be a reply to Bobofgold two comments up lol
  • Was really hoping to see the Microsoft Launcher taken to a new level and get a UI that more closely resembled Windows 10 mobile.
  • This Duo is sexy and I'm very curious to try one on. :)
  • You know there's someone in the world that feels the same about you? You have a great day! Now go be awesome!
  • Sure the outside looks real pretty, but beyond that, I don't understand why anyone is excited about this phone. Those 2016 bezels, and the 2019 specs. Good grief. For ~$800 you can buy an LG V60 Duo. You get much better specs, no bezels, and you even get to remove the second screen. On top of all that you get two years of warranty. If this wasn't made by Microsoft, I think that a lot of you would be laughing at this device.
  • This is going to flop really badly, but I suppose MS is releasing it as a halo product. It's just odd even as a halo product with its outdated design, hinges, bezels, outdated hardware, etc. Personally I'm considering a galaxy fold 2, but was enticed by the Duo for a second because it's so much thinner and has pen support, but those aren't enough to get me by those bezels and seeing a hinge all the time.
  • It hasn't even been released and in my opinion it's a big failure - new highend device with last year's specs for the cpu and camera. I would never buy it. I might have considered it if it launched with an 865+ chip and a decent camera. It could have been a great device, but ultimately it's just another big MS failure. I can't imagine what pea brained person decided on these underwhelming specs for a 2020 device. The majority of people who will buy this device want to be on the cutting edge and the hardware of this device is far from cutting edge. I'd be shocked if it sells well. I feel the same way about the new surfaces. I would like to upgrade my LTE version of the Surface Pro 4, but would never buy an underpowered X that can't run regular programs and MS no longer sells an LTE version of the Intel powered Surface, which leaves me looking for a viable alternative to a Surface.
  • The only Specifications I can think of that I would like personally on the first generation Duo, would be NFC for Google pay, as I do honestly use that feature on a Daily, with my current smartphone, and the ram, it could have been at least 8 gigabyte, instead of 6, for a little bit of longevity, and allowing more apps to be open or in the background, without crashing, we all don't know how well Microsoft optimisations are with the software yet for the Duo, as anyone who has used even Google's pixel smartphones will till you 6 gigabyte ram is the minimum amount of random access memory, that should be installed on a modern smartphone, I guess time will tell. The system on the chip 855 is more than adequate, 5g is still years away from being a common place and by the time it is, hopefully version 2 or 3 of the Duo will support it, I'm still super hyped for the Duo even if I have to carry my wallet 😂 again like a peasant!
  • It seems a lot of proponents for this device are Android patrons. There are a few MS fans here and there, but not too many. This is disappointing as many MS users have been wafting for years for the Surface Phone only to presented with hardware that runs Android. I doubt that those on the Android side will stick to the Surface Duo when there are other Android dual screen devices out there with better specs. As for me, the specs wouldn't have mattered as much as long as Microsoft believed in itself and made progress towards its vision. After owning various PocketPC devices, WM devices and waiting for a store to open to buy the first Lumia, I am going to sit the Surface Duo out. I will skip this device as it doesn't come close to the all-in-one Microsoft device I envisioned when Nadella mentioned the positives of Continuum articled on this site on May 3, 2017. "which is a phone that can even be a desktop." -Nadella This is not the Surface Phone I was looking for.