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Microsoft's Windows head: New premium Lumia Windows 10 phones are coming 'soon'

Just in case there was any doubt that Microsoft plans to continue making Lumia smartphones, the head of the company's Windows and devices division, Terry Myerson, confirmed that it still plans to launch new premium Lumia smartphones in the near future.

Myerson made this statement as part of Microsoft's first Worldwide Partner Conference Keynote address in Orlando:

"Last week we announced a focusing on our Lumia lineup, but let me be clear: soon you will see premium new Lumias designed for Windows 10."

Myerson is referring to Microsoft's plans to lay off 7,800 of its workers in the next 12 months, the majority of which will come from its phone division. CEO Satya Nadella has already revealed that Microsoft is still "committed to our first-party devices including phones."

It's possible that Microsoft will make its official announcement on its new Lumia phones at the IFA trade show in Berlin in early September. The company has already announced plans to hold a Windows 10 PC device press event for that show on September 4.

Source: Microsoft

418 Comments
  • Can't get here soon enough, although my 1520 is just hitting it's stride with windows 10.
  • Just take my damn money already, while they're at it, go ahead and release the SP4 and Hololens so I can give them even more of my monies.
  • I dont have much spare money right now, but I've got a soul they can take.
  • LOL
  • Sell it on eBay, I heard a guy got like $10k for his on there. That's more than enough to buy ask off those products.
  • Lol!
  • Lol
  • LMAO!
  •   LMAO!
  • mine too! did you post any of your start screen images in the forum windows central yesterday?
  • Me, no.  I love technology but find myself somewhat out of touch with participating. These comments are about as much as I can handle. Non-Facebooker over here.
  • Same here, just posted because it's WC and they hosted it!
  • +1
  • Yes yes yes yessssss. Can't wait my Lumia icon is getting old already need a upgrade. 940 XL with pen stylus yes
  • Same! With pen stylus... Microsoft hear us.
  • i so dont want to see the pen come back.  Thats the best thing apple ever did for the mobile world, get rid of the pen.
  • Then don't use it. I won't, but my dad moved to Android (Note) just for the pen support. People still want it, and Microsoft don't cater to that segment anymore.
  • Please bring one to Verizon, at least one.. Oh please!
  • You're asking the wrong company. Make a note to yourself to ask your Carrier to get their head out of Apples *sses! That's the only way they'll get and advertise any Windows phones.
  • Microsoft could sell unlocked phones compatible with any carrier in their own stores if Microsoft just chose to pull their head out of the carriers' (mostly AT&T's) donkeys.
  • Nokia made all of those exclusive deals, Get your facts straight!
  • No they can't. Because Verizon (and Sprint) are CDMA networks, its device based, not SIM card based, meaning Verizon needs to allow the device access the network fully. Posted from the Nexus 6, Nexus 5, or Surface Pro 3
  • "No they can't. Because Verizon (and Sprint) are CDMA networks, its device based, not SIM card based, meaning Verizon needs to allow the device access the network fully." That's not entirely accurate. The unlocked Nexus 6 works perfectly fine on Verizon, and I read that the unlocked iPhone 6 and 6+ do too. Microsoft could do the same with the 940/XL or whatever is incoming by including the necessary radios. Verizon is an important carrier to support in the US, due to its size and superior coverage.
  • Well then you do not know correctly about technology then... CDMA & GSM both can come on SIM cards and can very well function on the same phone provided the manufacturer fits in the correct radios. Here in India, you just need an OMH (Open market handset) SIM Card for CDMA to work flawlessly on any phone that supports cdma. Just pop in your cdma or gsm sim in the supported handset and voilà, you have perfectly working calls text and data
  • Not SIM based?? My US Sprint htc8xt windows phone HAS a SIM card.
  • I disagree, of course us carriers are going to cater to Apple, but MS and their carrier exclusive devices was a bad strategy. MS needs to position w10 mobile with a unified front, with the same top end device for every carrier, like apple, Sammy, HTC, etc. When that happens, MS can promote all over the place and it wont matter if the carrier backs it on their own. MS needs to position its iPhone "killer" as a device the carrier doesn't have to throw a huge investment into, and that they will be the ones missing out if they don't stock it.
  • Re: ZackTheNever,
    Buy your Verizon phone at Microsoft. That way you won't have to listen to the Verizon sales person quiz you about why would you want to buy a Windows Phone, xyz phone is so much better.
  • Mine just crapped out on me. I'm sitting with this blu win HD that isn't getting the TP any time soon. Going insane, I want to use win 10, but I don't want to buy another phone before the new flagships are out (unless I can trade in this one for an 830 or 640 xl)
  • You're not missing out. Windows 10 for phones is AWFUL right now. Removed it from my 635 because it's slow and utterly broken. A massive downgrade from 8.1.
  • The latest build 10166 is actually pretty good... My phone is super responsive, battery life is great and it hasn't crashed once yet. Only downside is the fact that Lumia apps no longer work with this build
  • Running 10166 on three devices currently, a 1520 being my daily driver, and I've had few issues whatsoever.
    Folks that are having problems the newest build - remember this is a BETA TEST at best and you need to be up to speed on the ways to get a proper install on your device.
  • How do I get win 10 beta on my 1520?
  • If you're asking that question on the comments of an article about new phones then the Insider Program is probably not for you. I'm not being snarky, I'm just trying to prevent negative reviews for when you realize that things aren't going to work right 100% of the time in a beta program.
  • No, we ain't running beta... Still alpha... Posted from my obamaphone
  • I agree this latest version is good enough that I put it on my daily driver phone. Still some quirks, but passable now.
  • I've been playing with W10 on my spare 635 since the first release. I agree... the very latest build is finally not crashing left and right, and is MUCH more responsive. Many more apps seem to be functioning in this build (USA Today, NBC News, etc). Still not good enough to put on my primary 1520, but it has been making VERY large leaps of progress quality wise with this latest release. However, I am not seeing anything too compellingly different yet. They are getting to the point where I can visualize it being as smooth as WP8.1, with a few nice little features tacked on. Universal apps should be neat. But I do really wish we could see some things that make us go "wow". I went to show the new build to my brother who uses WP8.1, and I couldn't really come up with much to show him other than "see? this looks slightly different. And you can put a picture BEHIND the Start screen... and... hmmm. I guess that's about all I can show you." I suppose the new email app is fairly different, and the calendar. Though I'm not yet convinced I like either of them better than the WP8.1 versions. Photos still seems like a disaster to me. We'll see... I am finally feeling like they may not totally screw up Windows Phone with 10 though, so that is progress for me. :-)
  • This is exactly how I feel. I'm keeping my eye on Windows 10 because I would like to come back but it has to do everything for me to do so. I use a Lumia 635 to keep track of progress but so far it isn't close to giving me what my Nexus 6 does. I like the Windows ecosystem and UI and hopefully can come back soon. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • I would also like to come back, I just want to be at least 51% sure they are not going to dump Windows Phone. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Get a bottle and a phone with adequate specs before complaining!
  • When was the last time you tried it? The last and current builds are pretty good. The first one were horrid, but seems like Microsoft is starting to hot their stride with windows 10 mobile. The first builds weren't good enough to be Daily drivers even 10149 wasn't completely ready but 10166 seems to be pretty good.
  • Relax, it's still in preview. The current build is actually pretty stable. Bugs are still there of course but they're slowly getting fixed.
  • It's running well for me, but it genuinely didn't run as well until I did a hard reset after updating. It ran "ok" before that but is pretty fantastic now. The start screen is gorgeous, an improvement over 8.1 in a number of subtle ways that all add up.
  • I am really impressed with build 10166 on my 635 and am contemplating loading it on my 920 (daily driver).
  • 10166 was performing horribly for me until I did a reset.  I couldn't even get the start menu to display consistently!  I don't know if it was necessary, but I also didn't restore a backup.  With a clean install, it is performing very well on my 920.
  • what phone are you using?.  Im useing a lumia 930 and even though i prefer 8.1 windows 10 mobile for me is very reliable and has been ever since last update.  The one before that caused my phone to restart 1-2 times a day but apart from that worked fine.  The build i have now is incredibly reliable in every way, id say the smoothness of the device is nearly equal to the butter smooth of the 8.1 on my 930.  I defo recomend installying it on a lumia 930.. But email is still terrible, plse get rid of outlook mail and calender i dont like them, and the app store doesnt have any sustatutes i could use, but haveing to click seperatly on my email acounts to read my email sucks.  I need all mail from all email adresses to be seen and linked into my 1 inbox, its definatly a phone killer if its like this on release.  android have 1 inbox in out look already, iphone have all mail in 1 inbox and if microsoft wana sell windows 10 phones they need to make sure either outlook has all mail in 1 inbox choice or just affer outlook as app and bring back 8.1 email system, it was so much beter anyway.
  • Re: Jason hendry1,
    I have one email for personal, one for business, one for Continuing Education & professional organizations, and one for spam/junk. I would never want to comingle the in boxes. Having the choice would be great.
  • Can't wait to throw my 1520 out a 10 story window. #worsttouchscreenever
  • Agreed, the 1520 is a terrible phone. Every person I know with one has problems with it.
  • Must be trolling because my 1520"is still purring like a kitten even with wm10 build 10149 and now with build 10166!
  • The 1520 is not a terrible device. It's a device, just like any electronic device in the marketplace..meaning some rock and some don't. I know many happy 1520 owners. I also know many apple and android users who's devices are bunk. It's all the same man, all the same.
  • Sorry to hear that. I never had issues with mine.
  • 1520 is a fantastic phone. The early versions did have issues though. I got the last version eventually and have been very happy with it. Oh and Win10tp 10166 runs great on it.
  • Hi. Nice to meet you. Now you know someone that doesn't.
  • wow really.After reading and going to articles and forums for about 8 months and posibly reading hundereds of thosands of peoples comments, including my 4 friends who have 1520, they all said the same thing, they are awsome, actually you and the guy above you is the very first time i have seen anything negative about the 1520 lol, so you must either have a bad phone, or your just trolling or something else.   I cant stop laughing so loud.  I have also played with a friends 1520 and it feels every bit as smooth and lag free as my 930 and in my opinion thats one of the best if not best touchscreen experiences i have ever had.  But who am i ive only uesd a galaxy s4 for 6 months and hated it and 6 years on all the iphones which i loved.  Id still put the 930 on top.
  • Except the three I own...
  • My 1520 with build 10166 is actually quite excellent.
  • My 1520 is more stable on the 10166. Only beef and a bit irony(since sooo many ppl oppose WPs due to lack of apps) is that some of my apps don't work. I needs myAtt app!
  • Agreed..It's virtually flawless on my 1520. :)
  • This.
  • Haha. It better be better then the 1520 or im keeping my 1520 and ill wait for better lol :)
  • It will be better than the 1520.
  • Don't forget to mail me your current phones :)
  • Hope it's not as soon as they make it sound...w10 mobile still needs heavy work on it just to be usable.
  • The latest build that came out last week has moved it way ahead. Its good enough now, that I put it on my daily driver 1020. Still a few quirks and snags, but its fast and fluid again. Previous builds have been terrible - just enough to let you see where things are going.
  • yeh they need to delete the new calender and email app they rebadged as outlook and return them to 8.1 style and version, its reall that bad.
  • @Irrelevantone:
    Can't they just quit the teasing?! Announce dem ducking Lumias already! Even Samsung is poised to show their new devices pre-IFA this year and in contrast to Microsoft they have a tradition of releasing their phones at IFA.
  • More than likely they are just reaffirming the Cityman and Talkman. This feels like an effort to shut up the naysayers.I will be glad just to see what comes out, love me some newness.
  • They need to write "Gluten-Free" on the phones so they outsell Apple.  
  • First belly laugh of the day. Thank you.
  • really, Irrelevantone? is 1520 struggling with Win10? I am been toying with the idea of buying a 1520 to replace my 1020, as I feel it struggles from time to time. but if 1520 wont run Win10 smoothly, I rather wait.
  • That person is a anomally.  The 1520 is awesome in itself, and Win 10 is just fine on it.
  • Agree
  • @Jose The latest WIndows 10 Mobile build from the fast ring is working smooth as butter on my 1520 (ok, to be fair, my alarms aren't sounding 100% of the time but that might be something I'm doing). Everything else, is great. The new Groove Music app is not working right in my opinion. Even though it imported all of my music (I watdhed it count down "importing music from SD card"), it keeps saying "Music is not available on this device and no streaming option is available." Why should I have to stream music if it's already on my device? And why can't Groove Music find music on my device? But those are my only two issues with Windows 10 Mobile on my 1520 so far. Everything else is beautiful.
  • No struggles for me, mine 1520 is running great. I have actually been thinking of getting another one just to have around in case i break this one. Not having another viable 6 incher to go to would kill me.
  • I agree. I installed the latest Windows 10 Mobile build and I fell in love with my 1520 all over again!
  • Yes and not surprised.  The announcement was pretty clear. They are moving the Lumia lineup to be like the successful billion-dollar Surface strategy (i.e. 2-3 high quality devices per year, rather than a bunch of random similiar devices like Nokia did).  Just like Surface and Apple, it's better to release 1-2 high-quality devices.
  • The announcement was clear and it was always obvious this was happening. Teases, product leaks, advertising data, new features being shown, etc, etc, etc - of course they were going to come out with new flagships. But given how desperate people are to bash WP it's good they are coming out with a clear message about new phones.
  • Still, though, the tech "blogosphere" is on a rampage, running with "Windows Phone is dead!" headlines. Even Microsoft evangelists like Paul Thurrot are doing this, meaning that no one has confidence in the Windows Phone platform and therefore these flagship Lumias launching this year are going to fail unless Microsoft clearly states their long-term commitment to Windows phones. Everything Satya writes is cryptic. He needs to say: "We have no plans to stop making Lumias, not now, not in a few years, not in a decade. We're committed to the Lumia line and to the Windows 10 Mobile OS. We will launch new flagships this fall and we will market them as ardently as we market the Surface line." He needs to say that.
  • Tech writers have been dreaming of the day they can declare windows on a phone dead. Unfortunately for them, they will have to keep dreaming...
  • Re: coip,
    YES, I agree.
    Microsoft is so poor at communicating their messages. They seem clueless about how they can be misinterpreted. We need some clear messages and great advertising.
  • I disagree - the announcement was not clear. The big announcement was a 7.5 BILLION DOLLAR write-down. Next to that, a couple lines describing their commitment to windows phone is just noise. If they really intend to grow and make something out of the platform, they need to demonstrate it and shout it from the rooftops. From a business restructuring standpoint, what MS is doing makes sense and is quite sound. But the messaging is all wrong.
  • The announcement was already clear as limpid water!
  • Its all about the context. They did not write down a phone business they had grown and built themselves. They wrote down a bloated, failing smartphone OEM they aquired in self-defense in addition to their own R&D and production resources. They've been cutting and slashing since acquisition, but once everything already in the pipeline had run its course, they got out the chainsaws.
  • I think the trouble here is that the news was really designed for the financial media and not the technology media. The $7.5 billion write down is really in regards to improving the finances at Microsoft. They've been spending too much lately (if you're a fickle "investor", that is) and really gave no proper financial reasoning or results of these acquisitions. To be fair, this is not that different from other "write-downs" that the company has done in past. It's just that there is news being made out of it because they're laying of a good chunk of the people from the mobile division. Again, we don't know in what capacity or where these lay offs are actually happening apart from them being in the "phones division". Financially speaking, this was good news and the stock actually crept up a few points so that did the job as far as Microsoft is concerned. I don't expect them to come out and clearly illustrate what they're going to do with phones here. They're really out of their element with these things (being direct and upfront with people).
  • No, my friend. All the analysts are in agreement: Windows phone is essentially dead, and market share should plummet to 0% in a year or so. Forbes just published an article about Windows mobile going the Google nexus way rather than galaxy/iPhone way. They say that Microsoft will release phones in low quantity to demonstrate the experience of the OS, so it might attract OEMs, but... it doesn't look . Sadly, Android is my next phone.
  • Analysts are fools. They've predicted windows phone's demise at least 3 times now but it's still hanging on. The day I consider windows phone dead is the day that Microsoft themselves announce it. Just watch, once Microsoft releases their flagships they'll all immediately forget about the negative "nail in coffin" crap they've been writing and begin to grow more comfortable to the OS and say positive things about it, assuming Microsoft's strategy pays off in the long run like they're hoping it will. The brand "Windows Phone" may die, but Windows on mobile devices will continue to thrive. It's funny because you hardly hear any of this crap about something like the Fire Phone but if it has anything to do with Microsoft people will find the smallest thing to complain about and make them seem like the devil. They have a horrible bias against Microsoft and won't admit to it. It's sad. That's the only reason I come to Windows Central to get my news. These guys do a pretty good job at keeping biases out of their articles.
  • eyaleng matey can i sugest if your leaving windows phone swhich im not then go to iphone matey android is garbage compared to iphone and windows.  Even all the apps in the world cant help that.
  • Re: Joshua Coy,
    Thank you. Very nicely said.
  • Let's see how long it is before you miss a Windows mobile. I always want to switch back after a week or two.
  • Nah I think it can maintain market share at least in the 2%. Microsoft never promoted windows phone nor did it do any marketing.  Most people had no clue about it when I showed them my 830.  They actually usually end up liking it.  My parents watch tv from europe and they have advertising and everything, hence their larger share there.   Here's an interesting tidbit: [QUOTE] As the Wall Street Journal reported on Monday, citing a new report by industry research firm Canaccord, in the first quarter of 2015, Apple took in 92 percent of the total operating income of the world’s eight largest smartphone makers. That figure jumped up from 65 percent during the same period in 2014.[/QUOTE] Do you know what happened?  The iPhone 6.  The design, the fashion statement.  It's a beautiful phone.  It doesn't have much features but it makes up for that with a vibrant app store and speed. See Microsoft can pull off features, but I don't know if they could pull off design.  That's really going to be their downfall. They do need to make better looking phones.  Fashion statements with features.  If they could do that I think they can pull it off.   
  • well im a fanboy of my 930 with 8.1 i think its the best phone on the market and os but i loved my years on iphone too, and sorry mate but one issue windows phone has is it doesnt have anywhere near the features of a iphone, and to me thats not always a bad thing.  your iphone, ipad laptop and desktop can all talk together and be used in ways that well still be waiting for in windows 10 release date, skype intergration anyone.  You then look at notification area the action centre, iphones can add speed dial on thir action centre and even some app ahotcuts as well as those same toggle type switches, a brightness bar al;l much more feature packed than my lumia 930 and this is just the start.  Im just nopt a fan of ios7 or ios8 and to be fair i dont like the fact they hare that heavey in features, i think theyve put to much in, its one of the reasons i moved to windows. And i have not regreted it yet.  Outlook mail might change that though.
  • Well i was gona say learn to read but i think you have just in a different language.  Try looking over google news for tha last 3 dasys and try repeating the paragraph you wrote with a straight face lol.
  • Ok, and what is the down side of a Google Nexus strategy for Windows Phone? That means Windows Phone enthusiast still get the phones we want in a more pure form. Where's the downside? I don't agree, however, that it's all gloom and doom. As others have said, the announcement wasn't to the tech market but to the financial market. Those lines in there were to let investors know where they were going hereafter, and they clearly said they are paring down but staying in the Windows Phone market. Last, but not least, I don't buy phones every six months, why do I need a constant stream of new Windows Phone devices if the phone I choose is working and satisfying my needs? How many phones does the average person need anyway?
  • I guess you will miss out on the twelve Windows phones to choose from, year to year.
  • shhhh! you're gonna piss off the people in here who don't want to tell the truth about Nokia, but blame microsoft for Nokia putting out 1k phones that are basically the same except the 1020 & 1520. All the others were basically the same with different names or should I say numbers. Ex. the Icon & 930.....and being on the same carrier means nothing!
  • And you keep forgetting that the majority of WP community are here only because of Nokia.
  • True that..
  • Not realy, I am here because of the Os, meaning I am not married to Nokia, If a reliable OEM comes up with good HW to showcase the Os, I am in. Please don't get me wrong, Nokia is one of those that did that for Windows OS. I will even argue that Microsoft improved better over Nokia in the mid / lower end of WP devices after they took over because Nokia was almost crippling them with 512MB Ram, No front camera etc. BlLU and HTC had good showing and my kids have BLU HD and wife have the M8 windows version while I use the L1520
  • Okay, that still doesn't discount the facts about Nokias confusing numbers and poorly spec'd phones. And for the record I'm on WP because of the OS and my first wp was the Samsung focus; I currently use a1520 and give Nokia credit for the old days of Candy bar and flip phones , but they dropped the ball with all of their OSes before WP and as stated, failed with all of the similar Windows phones!
  • Not me. I'm here because I really like the WP OS. I dont care who builds the hardware. I'd love to see a Sony WP.
  • Exactly.. I switched to Windows Phone because Nokia switched to it. And the only reason I bought this Microsoft Lumia 640 was because my old NOKIA Lumia was dead and Nokia isn't yet producing phones. I still can't love this phone over my 625 just because it's not Nokia. I guess, by the time I have to switch again, Nokia may be back in business, and I'll buy whatever phone they make, regardless of the OS. Sure, I've been loving windows phone ever since I switched, but whom so ever I know that switched to, or I convinced them to switch to WP, was because of Nokia's amazing reliability and after sales services.
  • But I think we have seen more similar looking phones(read 630,635,530,535,640,540,640xl) after Microsoft took over. Correct me if I'm wrong. (I can be wrong in assuming that x3x phones were formed under Microsoft's leadership)
  • It may seem that way, but devices take a long time to develop. Many of those could have been in development before MS took over. Heck, they could have already been in production.
  • Then, shouldn't we be appreciating them for designing 73x, 830 and 930 ?
  • Again, still doesn't excuse the fact that the numbering schemes are confusing and there's no major differentiating factor between all of those devices which confuse salespeople and non-tech users alike, but keep making excuses for them!
  • Amen. Numbering scheme was always something that was "Broken", similar to the former Microsoft naming scheme for products and software. Keep it simple enough for sales associates to keep it all straight and for the general public to be able to distinguish between devices when they see them in the wild.
  • The 530, 635/630 were Nokia's work, not Microsoft. The 535, 640, 640 XL, 540 are Microsoft's work since taking over.
  • My guess is it takes 18 months or more to design a phone and get it into production.  My feeling is the 830, 630, 530 were all close to completion when MS took over. Even the 640 probably started before MS took over.  Mclaren was supposed to be a premium phone out about 6 - 9 mo ago but MS probably looked at it and said it wasn't good enough for all the investment to bring it to market. Really the 940 / 940 XL will probably be the first real all MS phone introduced.  I am looking forward to it. I hope that there are at least a couple gee whiz features to get some possitive vibe (a la Samsung Edge) going for it.
  • Exactly. Once the Nokia pipeline was cleared out, the gutting begins. The only thing that suprises me is that they are taking a total writedown. You would think some of these pieces of former Nokia would be worth something sold off.
  • Bruh.... 630/635 and 530 were from Nokia. The others are from Microsoft, and they're all quite different.
  • The 640 series, 730, 830, etc were also. The upcoming devices will be the first true Microsoft designed phones. The above mentioned were delayed because the branding on them had to be changed to Microsoft before shipping due to the Nokia d&s buyout.
  • Not sure about the 640... It was a such an improvement and so different spec-wise from the 630 I can't see them both being designed by Nokia. The 730 and 830, sure, but I'm unsure about the 640.
  • Microsoft actually does not design or make phones. It's Microsoft Mobile, or what's left of it, that does that. Microsoft Mobile is fully owned subsidiary of Microsoft.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Mobile Note that wiki article is as always full of errors.
  • I would love to see Microsoft launching a Vapor MG phone instead of polycarbonate with better display quality (like Surface Pro 3). It would have much premium feel and durability. The problems I see with Lumia 640 and 640XL is that they look as 2 year old Lumia's, no AMOLED or high quality display like Surface Pro 3. And this is not what Samsung is doing, Samsung is making their starter/middle range devices to have a premium look (no removable battery, metal, and AMOLED).
  • This ^^^
  • VaporMg phones would be cool until the dark gray coating wore off on the edges from being slipped in and out of pockets and tossed about like everyone does with their phones. Although, the new Surface models have a light gray finish that may be more durable that the older dark gray, but I really don't know since I don't have one.
  • Yeah, I love the look of my Surface, but I dont know if that material is durable enough for a phone.
  • I can't understand why don't they do this.. Basically a Surface-esque design but as a high end phone. I love the dark titanium VaporMG and it never wore on my original Surface RT. I now have a Surface Pro 3 but I still long after the dark titanium coloring every time I look at my old Surface. The new lighter color is just so... bland, boring, common.
  • Thank you for speaking up!
  • Your problem with the 640/640XL is they're not as high quality as a Surface Pro 3? What you smoking?
  • Amoled high quality? Lol the best display ever used in a lumia was the 920 lcd
  • I was an early adopter of windows phone 7. At that time there were too few devices and people complained. Now there's too many and people complain. People are far too fickle.
  • There is nothing automatic about "ok this seems to be working for Surface, therefore it will work for phones" though.
  • Don't forget about the trend at Microsoft of when they do a write off of a hardware unit, success immediately followed.  In 2006 MS wrote off $1.5 billion on Xbox and the Xbox 360 turned out to be a massive success.  A couple of years ago MS wrote off $1 billion  on Surface and now it's doing well. The days are gone when Microsoft just throws bags of money at the wall hoping that one of them sticks.  What usually follows these write-offs is a focused, coherent strategy.
  • ^^This^^
  • I believe the xbox thing wasn't a writeoff but a one time charge to cover the RROD issue it was having.
  • No, Xbox lost tons of money early on. Wasn't the 360 the one with the red ring issue, not the Xbox? I think you are correct about the charge, it was just on the 360.
  • Now maybe all of these Windows phone is dead people can shut up now! I also wonder how many of the site like Computer world and the other will report this story today...... Probably none!
  • Exactly... people overreact and speculate everything.  The announcement was clear... they are not killing off Lumia, it's really important for Windows 10 and universal app strategy and especially the IoT to suceed.  They are simply doing what worked well with their billion dollar Surface line, and I think it's better this way because that's what Apple does too (i.e. 1-2 phones per year).
  • They are not killing it yet. They are starting to roll it back and will kill it within the next year or two. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • If so, why would they even bother with W10M?
  • That's never stopped them before.
  • At this stage of the game it would be a huge black eye on Microsoft. If they wait a couple years, they can claim the want out of the phone hardware business and turning over production of all Windows Mobile phones to the OEMs. A statement like that would probably be choreographed with one ore more of the OEMs, to lessen the negative impact.
  • That is microsoft's business model, to create the software and let other's create the hardware. They had to make the hardware for windows phone because the OEM's were already using android and were just putting out 2nd rate android hardware and install wp on it. Nokia was the only OEM that was producing quality phones and they were about to start using android. So, the strategy right now is to try to build up the ecosystem so that the it will attract more OEMS and slowly phase out their first party hardware. I doubt they will completely stop after 2 years though,
  • Trolling!
  • Why would they kill it slowly over two years?  If they know it has no future, it makes no sense to keep losing money for two years on something you plan to kill.
  • Because it takes time to put all the services working well on other platforms and they've already invested a lot in R&D for some phones. Might as well release them while people move to other platforms.
  • I am here because of the OS, not because of Nokia.
    Nokia was and still is (to extend) massive liability to MS.
    MS is slowly clearing the Nokia mess. It will take some more time (18 months?) before we see the results.
  • Most likely, as when it comes to Microsoft - doom and gloom sells for these so called "Journalists". It's all for data traffic.
  • Wait till you read them saying, "Microsoft U-turn their strategy to kill off Windows Phone Lumia. Now will only makes limited numbers."
  • It is pretty clear MS smartphones was not dead on the short term, long term it is a different story.
  • There is no long term or short term, you can't be mobile 1st, cloud 1st if you don't have your own mobile (hardware) solution. Before they bought the d & S division they had windows mobile and oems made phones with custom skins. Most people have "conveniently" forgotten about that.
  • Yes you can, if phones are not successful, MS can still be the mobile and cloud company they strive to be with their catalogue of app services which doesnt necessarily need a windows based smartphone to run.  Would it be better to have their own smartphoen hardware?  yes, will they continue to run out new models when their market share is 5% or less over the next 3-5 years?  not likely. 
  • Re: TechFreak1,
    I remember. My wife and I had HTC Windows Mobile phones for years.
  • If that the case, HTC and many other Android OEM's are shutting down too as they've been loosing money for years now even on Android
    , so I guess everyone except Apple, Google, and Samsung better close up shop. Even Sony isn't making major profits using Android and some how all of you thing Nokia can succeed making Android...... Good luck with that next year Nokia : |
  • Actually! Every damn publication was coming up with same headlines, like Microsoft was gonna give up that easily. Windows 10 is that great start what was needed for Lumia long ago. Eagerly waiting for these devices.
  • Ha yeah, not likely. Too many people just waiting to twist things and bash WP. It's a shame tech sites have gone from being places where people impartially reviewed things and you could get an opinion on something to just being fanboy sites. Well, with phones anyway, for printers or normal electronics it's still mostly ok but phones it's just madness. I mean I like my Lumia, but in the end of the day it's just a phone* and it's function is very similar to an Android phone or an iPhone so it's really not worth getting so involved and yet people do.   * - of course it's much better than the others!!!
  • Dead doesn't mean non existent in this case, rather, it means irrelevant in the big picture.
  • By that definition, it was never alive so why would it be news now?  Also by that definition, Macs are dead.
  • Ouch!  Owned by logic.
  • Fact is that Nadella fired most of R&D. Surely a few phones that are already baked will come out of the oven but that's it then.
  • Many ex Nokians have told me they spent way too much in R&D and, if you haven't noticed, they messed up five years ago. Microsoft simply cut the fat. That's doesn't mean "that's it then" after a few phones.
  • Nokia did produce some amazing designs back in the day though. Oh for those sliders, twisters and candies. All phones are just big glass blocks these days, it'd be great to see someone putting some innovation back into phone design. Right now (weirdly) it looks like the only company with anything different might be Blackberry with their rumoured Android slider. But people need to get crazy with second screens, foldable displays and suchlike when the tech gets there.
  • I like the Blackberry one, but prefer the Turing phone.
  • Those dual screen phones are ugly and a nitch product. Remind people too much of old keyboard sliders from back in the day. Besides cases for them will be limited and ugly. I'm calling them failures right now.... You can tell me I was right later!
  • How do you know most of the employees laid off were from R&D?
  • They closed whole R&D sites and downsized others. Basically all R&D of smartphones is in Finland and 2300 of 3200 Microsoft Mobile staff will be fired.
  • He doesn't.  He is just trolling every article making baseless claims.  Even if it were true it wouldn't matter much anyway.  MS spends more on R&D than any other tech company by far.  They could make huge cuts and still be at the top of R&D.
  • They have adopted a hobby- Hate Microsoft in any case
  • Including Forbes, another bias technology reporters in the leading business press...
  • Forbes is pretty bad. Full of clickbait.
  • And BGR, and Business Insider, and Mashable.
  • @lzimmerman I've to agree with you. Recently BGR's been such a naive with their articles, reading them is as good as watching a comedy show. They're all based on short-sighted speculations against Microsoft. It's like they make up a new story to show the negative impacts for every step Microsoft takes. Fortunately, the readers (as judged by the comments) ain't as idiots as the writers of the blog they follow seem. And this recent article... speechless. http://bgr.com/2015/07/08/microsoft-layoffs-windows-phone-restructuring/
  • Yeah, I've been astonished at how bad Forbes.com is. For some reason I thought they would be a credible outlet, but their video game coverage is appaling (why even try if your writers clearly are dilletantes, at best?). They're articles are often factually incorrect, specultative rather than informative, and full of grammar errors.
  • Absolutely, I hate it.
  • I always wonder why a lot of tech sites or magazines don't speak positive about Microsoft? I mean Apple and Google/Android has their fair share of blunders as well but most media coverage speaks highly/positively of them and none or negative about Microsoft? I like Microsoft, I'm a Lumia 1520 user. I'm a Windows 8.1 user they're solid if not perfect.
  • The Register is a great site frequented by IT types so there has often been some MS bashing. Recently, they have been good and the reviews have been great too. I notice more positive comments as well.
  • The Register writers have some facts wrong though. Just today, and not the first time, they claim that non-Lumia Windows phones sell more than Lumias. It seems that they mix feature phones MS sells with Windows Phones OEM's sell.
  • That Microsoft owes to the 2000s when it ruled the world. People hate them because of the Windows-Office monopoly they had. Common complaints range from "not innovative enough" to "make changes all the time". Basically, they have no reason but hating Microsoft became pretty common after Vista was launched (late 2000s) and ever since the whole Apple iProducts have taken off. Google seems to be heading the same way. You can't win with people.
  • I'm pretty sure pocket now wont report either, they only report when its bad
  • So true OMG55. People went crazy over the layoffs, thinking straight away that they're giving up on Windows Mobile. THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON. I wish people would stop talking nonsense.
  • Come soon, Lord Jesus.
  • Coming Soon™
  • *Jeebus
  • Kanye West be like:
    *Yeezus
  • The key word is "still"? Because you used it twice.
  • These will be great phones, I'm sure!
  • I'm sure too!  Even Daniel seemed confident and excited for them.  I have a feeling they will be game-changers and that's why it took this long.
  • Harware wise the new things are likely the iris scan and continuum required bits. Otherwise wouldn't expect anything game changes per se, from hardware that is.
  • Not sure they would be...based on the leaked specs, they seem pretty average for what has been released lately (a one year old Sony Xperian Z3 has same specs - possibly a little better even). I'm hoping they do have something great lined up on the software side but not entirely confident that will live up to the hype. For it to be a game changer, it really has to pack a punch as an idea (original Surface Pro). Based on what I have seen so far, I am not convinced this is it. However, in this scenario (and as a prospective buyer) I would love to be proven wrong.
  • Hopefully they're good, but I'm not holding my breath for great. I don't think there's really been a Microsoft-designed high-end phone yet, and coupled with the fact that MS has and is cutting phone staff it will be interesting to see if the quality is up to past Nokia standards. The fact that the camera sounds like it is just a carry over from other phones and not a continuation of the 1020 camera is disappointing. Personally, the camera is much more important to me than gimicks like biometric scanners like the iris scanner or even if they went the apple fingerprint scanner route. I want improvements that I'll use everyday. Of course, I DO realize I'm in the minority on that! ;-)
  • They should name it Lumia Surface 940 XL Windows 10 Mobile Edition 2015.
  • Lol... Heck no haha. Then again with Microsoft's naming sense... I wouldn't rule that out.
  • I'd like to see them called Surface Mobile or something along that line. So there would be Surface Pro, Surface, and Surface Mobile lines.
  • Honestly, lumia to me should be seem as a springboard for Surface....It's time for a new horizon called surface phone! they can keep the lumia for low-end or as Satya put it, "budget phones" and surface should represent the enterprise and high-end segment....period. While I love my 1520, Nokia tainted the general public's perception of Lumia by producing too many low-end lumias. On the other hand, microsoft did just the opposite with the surface wihich has established itselft as a premium brand yet MS won't make a phone which i think is just plain stupid....just make the DAMN phone already and put me down for four on day one if it's good enough!!
  • Right... Low end phones should be named as Lumia and premium phones should be named after Surface... Like Surface Mobile Pro for XL(940 xl) version and the normal (940) version like Surface Mobile
  • Microsoft Surface Mobile Pro XL with Windows 10 Mobile for Phones Pocket Edition
  • I now think that Surface phones should be called the Surface with a L & XL for size indicators. Consumers will know their phones when carriers advertise them.
  • with Bing
  • New name for budget range. Lumia for ala project nexus style with different oem making a lumia every year. And surface phone for Flagship and enterprise line. Whatever!
  • With the Continuum capabilities the Surface branding makes sense.
  • You forgot "Pro"
  • Sounds like something you would name a Harley Davidson not a phone.
  • That joke is old now. *yawn*
  • Dear Mr Terry update first my NL1520 and then talk about new devices
  • It never works that way
  • New devices come out first, OTA software updates to older devices come later. Always.
  • Soon is in less then a month in my opinion, but i think Microsoft thinks different
  • Soon isn't less than a month.
  • Lol so why did they buy nokia????
  • Nokia is still alive and kicking, get your fact's straight :P.
  • They didn't.
  • *gives DJCBS a high five! Just like the good ole days, I was just about to jump in and say the same thing you did. It is a shame that after all this time, people still think that Microsoft bought Nokia. :)
  • DJCBS, s you know, Nokia is still kicking. Kicking themselves in the *ss still trying to sell here maps yet no had taken the bait; Apple, Google, Microsoft, uber, no one, but as Jessie Jackson would say, "keep hope alive" : |
  • You're so far from reality that answering your comment would be wasted time. If Nokia wanted to sell HERE at any cost, they would have already. And if they sell, it will likely be to a consortium of the BEST car manufacturers in the World (here's a tip: none of them is American).   You should be worrying more about your precious dying Lumias. Enjoy them while it lasts...which isn't a lot of time ;)
  • To kill it.
  • Nokia is doing well on network equipment and server enterprise services (like Cisco or HP), they also have the HERE mapping services which is doing great The Nokia consumer business is what was sold to Microsoft, and IMO the next flagships from Microsoft are going to need a lot of marketing since they are going to be central part of Internet of Things industry in coming years.
  • Everything you've said today until you mentioned here maps was good. Can I ask you, if here maps is doing do well, why is Nokia selling it and why has no major Tech company stepped up to purchase it?
  • Because of liquidity, HERE itself is probably valued in more than $5 US Billion dollars, it's much better than Google Maps navigation, Bing Maps navigation or Apple maps navigation, due to the fact it supports downloading maps for full countries. This is great for people traveling to foreign country where they don't have a cellular phone foreign data plan and all they have is a smartphone with a GPS and Here maps.
  • Nokia is NOT trying to sell HERE. There are people interested in buying HERE. It's different. Nokia evaluates the proposals. If none of them matches what Nokia wants, they don't sell.
  • Ballmer did, not Nadella. Anyway, I don't think this is bad. It was always too confusing, too many models and variants. Strip it back to basics and the phone division might actually make a profit.
  • Because if they hadn't then Windows Phone wouldn't have even gotten to this stage.
  • Where can I watch the keynote?
    Will it be available on 9Channel?
  • Channel 9
  • Cityman and Talkman I believe.
  • And then the successor to the L1020. That's my next phone!
  • My 1020 is so painfully slow now I am not sure I trust them to buy its successor. Really dissapointed with the camera. I convinced my wife to get one and lately her camera doesnt hold focus. I really love WP but the experience with the 1020 had been very very frustrating.
  • Nokia made that device and the cameras Tech in it. Remember Microsoft has made a deal with canon for camera Tech which i think might be included in future devices
  • According to Daniel, there's no 1020 successor in the works. Of course, he's just a blogger and could be wrong, but he's normally a pretty well informed one when it comes to Microsoft. And the 1020 doesn't fit within Nadella's plan of a more focused line of phones.
  • Maybe we'll finally see one that you could add a external lens
  • Unfortunately I have to agree. At best some of that tech may trickle down to the next round flagships late 2016, if they ever come.
  • Next year's April flagship?
  • The Lumia 1020 was too niche to ever be commercially successful, but it was invaluable in getting people talking about Lumias and Windows Phones. That alone would make a successor worth it.
  • Coip has a point, Lumia and Windows Phone garnered serious publicity due to the imaging hardware on the 1020.
  • That's true. However, the major complaints about the 1020 was precisely Windows Phone. Many people loved the phone but hated the OS and its limitations (that includes Nokia's engineers who were deeply frustrated by the amount of stuff they couldn't do because of WP's limitations). So unless Microsoft releases a successor on Android or on a proprietary OS exclusive for the phone, I doubt it will make it worth. Specially when they've already admitted that they won't be able to make WP relevant.
  • There was a recent MS email quoted saying there "will be hero phones like the Lumia 1020 in the future"
  • The sucessor of Lumia 1020 is probably going to be launched in 2016, but as I said in other threads, this must catch up with Samsung and Apple's new video recording tech. I think it should support 1080p at 120fps, 40 megapixel pureview camera, ANT+, USB Type-C with MHL 3.0 support, Spectrometer, Heart rate sensor, Fingerprint sensor, Xbox One controler dock, Xbox One Streaming, HoloLens integration, 4GB RAM. The big question is if this phone will have Intel CPU or Qualcomm/Nvidia CPU based on ARM.
  • If it is high-end it is bound to have an ARM CPU. Intel only has mid-range offerings if we exclude CoreM, which are not designed for phones. Unfortunately Cortex A-72 most likely will not be available from Qualcomm for that timeframe.
  • Hell yea. Give it to me babe aha aha ^_^
  • My soon and their soon are way different. Mine is within a week, theirs is in November...at AT&T and 6 months after that, other carriers.
  • you're crazy if you think Microsoft will do an exclusive deal with any carriers on any of these phones. keep in mind their goal here is market share, not profits from exclusivity. 
  • Nokia had to worry about making profits from their phones. Microsoft is making their Lumia's with better specs than before with better value. They also have the money to advertise Lumia and Windows (Mobile) 10 themselves and do not need the carrier's "help'.
  • I'm really hoping to see one 4.3" inch device, with 2 GB ram memory, 13 mpx camera (5 mpx frontal), 32 GB of storage + SD card support and at least 3000 mAh battery.
  • That's a lot to pack into a 4.3 devive.  Don't think it will happen.
  • Not really, Sony already sells the Xperia Z3 Compact with above specs on a 4.5" device, not sure about the 3000 mAh battery though.
  • @gwinegarden I don't like that, it means if they continue to make stronger and more powerful phones they will need to be bigger. Just NO! There are more people that want some flagship which fits their smaller hands instead big ones.
  • 4.3"! It better be over 400ppi..
  • With the "more focused" portfolio that is guaranteed not to happen.
  • At least 5" screen. 5-5.3" is just the right screen size for me.
  • Hey....it would be kinda cool if they called one of of the Lumia's a
    Lumia surface.
  • Drop the Lumia and call it simply Surface phone then a load of numbers and throw in an XL GTE injection, AWD, etc. :D
  • All those Apple and Android fans masking as journalists have every reason to be scared of change!
  • This is actually true, and such a shame! So much of consumers' perception is shaped by their friends, their relatives, and word of mouth in general. Enough people read the numerous online sites to easily perpetuate a negative perception of a product, and it can be almost impossible to overcome that ingrained negative perception.
  • Great news! There's a shit-storm coming and its name is Windows10. I believe MS is truly running a well scripted strategy that will benefit alot of people by simplifying the UX across multiple platforms. It's been a long hard road but when you think about the big dominos that had to fall to get to this point it's been a spectacular effort from MS to declare a vision and then do it. Well done!
  • Lol when you said "shit-storm" I thought it would be a hate comment. But I agree with you, 10 is the last version of Windows, so it has to be good from the get go.
  • Please!!! It can't come quickly enough. My Icon is in great need of this!
  • Hopefully the availability will be soon after announcement. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Just got a lumia 830 yesterday to play with windows 10 in prep for these new devices. Got a carrier upgrade ive been itching to use
  • So big question is, will Verizon have one of these by Xmas 2016?
  • What's Xmas?
  • Christmas.
  • It will by allahmas
  • Sure hope that when these are available that they will be sold unlocked through the Microsoft Stores and not through carriers only, sure wasn't with the 1020 and the 1520
  • May actually be mostly through the stores. We'll see soon enough of course.
  • The masters of "coming soon"
  • Lol
  • Yes Coming Soon™
  • Nokia trademarked Coming Soon and Microsoft paid for the license to utilize Coming Soon with their devices for 10 years. Microsoft can say something is Coming Soon even if that means 2 years later. /s
  • That wud b great if the bring new design and a new name [No more LUMIA lineup]
  • I agree. They should let Lumia go the way of IE and put a new name up to go with Surface and Edge. Maybe something like...
  • This would be great news, except I think last week's announcements have scared off any future third party development of Windows Phone apps on a broad scale.  Microsoft has a lot of contacting and hand-holding to do if they even expect to keep the current amount of apps fresh in the Store, let alone convince banks, social media sites, and others to program new ones...
  • That's conjecture. A more focused plan won't be a reason to scale back any more than tons of budget phones couldn't spark interest in the firt place. Remember that there are now tools making it easier to port iOS and Android apps, web apps can act as Live Tiles (allowing banks and patrons a simple workaround for now), and a friendlier market for OEMs to exist in.
  • "Now"... I will definitely check those tools out once they are released, but so far not much is known about them.
  • No kidding - the messaging from Nadella last week was just weak. The write-down may have been totally necessary, but in the face of such, a couple lines about MS' continued commitment to their platform has no weight. The common refrain "Windows phone is dead" is totally natural. Nadella should have made a point of anticipating and rejecting such sentiments, even painting this restructuring as a positive move, anticipating the unleashing of Windows 10, the best mobile OS ever created.  I don't expect Windows phone to go away any time soon, but I do anticipate the continued failure to bring on developers. Which sucks. I'm still rooting for the platform!
  • Agreed. Certainly could have been delivered better.
  • Re: Adam Desrosiers,
    Agreed. It's as though it doesn't occur to them, exactly how, what they are saying, will be perceived! They should have given Nadella's "statement" more thought before delivering it. Poor communication.
  • ....premium phones are coming "soon". Windows 10 will be closing the app gap "soon". You know what else is coming soon? Depending on your scale, the eventual heat death of the universe. Now, I just traded my LG G3 in for a 640, so I'm by no means a Microsoft basher, but it's getting really hard to stay positive when MSFT is vaguely pinning all our hopes to the other side of the rainbow. The "things will get better when X happens" has been playing in our heads for almost half a decade now; it's starting to get old.
  • Couldn't agree more
  • Well they are coming soon. They haven't said they're closing the app gap soon either. Just making it easier for developers to port their code and also make universal apps. I think it's the most complete strategy MS has had since Windows Phone launched. All made possible with Windows 10 and some awesome hardware.
  • Just wished they would lunch products around the world in a more synchronized and earlier... For example..im Brazil we are receiving updates and products way to late... I just can't keep going back to the states to get my upgrades...
  • Yep, it's the biggest issue with MS. They announce all the features with great fanfare, roll them out to the US and make everyone else wait 6-12 months to get less than 50% of the features. Then another 6-18 months before 80% of the features are finally available with the remaining 20% abandoned because "no one uses them"
  • Well they have said they will focus on fewer markets so perhaps the roll out to the remaining ones can be faster.
  • Brazil was mentioned as one place getting heavy cuts. Not sure if that can mean anything else than shutting down domestic manufacturing. Phones may still be available but import taxes added to price.
  • Exactly. Which will be a HUGE hit to WP's nascent success in Brazil.. hopefully at least a little bit of Manaus will be saved to circumvent those taxes.
  • Manaus makes also x-boxes. Sorta hoped that it would be the lifeline for phones also. But is there anything else mobile related they could cut in Brazil?
  • Don't really know. Does Manaus manufacture feature phones? Perhaps those will get cut (or visa versa the smartphones) - if not both. Besides that, perhaps there are some Latin America markets specific corporate functions there, e.g. on supply side, marketing, exports and imports management etc.. I recall Nokia being at one point in the top 12 exporters of Brazil, thanks to Manaus manufacturing being exported to all of LA and even the US (my old Symbian phone was made in Manaus). Besides staff cuts, MS/Nadella may also reduce marketing, carrier engagement etc. in Brazil if he feels that its not one of his priorites. Hopefully not, given that Lumias have done well there (but again, Manaus has been the key to that success, probably).
  • Ok Windows Phone loyalists, prepare your money. We'll make history by purchasing the new Lumias later this year.
  • I can get on board with this notion. If everyone complaining buys the new flagship at least some hype will build up
  • You might need to order one from the US.
  • The 830 was coming soon too......
  • my Lumias are literally breaking down. They better hurry up. It is not acceptable for them to leave us hanging this long
  • Blah blah
  • Watch... These phones will suck. Hype for nothing. They're gona be lacking features and be disappointing. MS better have something groundbreaking
  • Rapid charging. Killer camera features that don't lag. SD support. Continuum. These are just the basics it needs to have.
  • Curious as to what features you think they'll be lacking. The leaks for Cityman and Talkman are pretty good (not the latest-greatest processors the OS isn't so demanding). USB Type-C, dual-LED flash, one of the best cameras available...
  • Camera needs to be at least 41 megapixel
  • No they won't. It will be the most feature packed phone available I'm sure.
  • My contract ends in December and my upgrade is ready in October. There better be a Microsoft flagship by then in Ireland
  • Hopefully MS considers it one of the better markets.
  • They should be aiming at near-global availability. Like what Apple does every year.
  • Now, if we only could define "soon" a little more in detail. Soon as "September announcement" means probably about 6 month from now to availability and in my books, there is nothing soon about it.
  • IF you are lucky enough to be in a market Nadella considers worthy. ;)
  • I know I'm late to this party, but how do I get the preview builds of WP10M? I currently have the 1520 with Demin.
  • Download the Windows insider app from the store and sign up then you will be able to download the preview directly to the phone.
  • Download the Windows Insiders app. Start it up. Sign up as a Windows Insider. Select Fast or Slow Ring (fast if you want the latest and greatest build). Then do a phone update... Have the Windows Phone Recovery Tool ready in case it doesn't suit you as a daily driver. Also be ready to re-set up your start screen and settings, especially if you go back and forth like I have... Getting ready to try out 10166 build... I hear its pretty good on a 1520.... Available in the fast ring.
  • Microsoft is skipping Mobile World Congress Shanghai? Well Nokia is not and CEO is a keynote speaker. Probably a bit early to get any device news from Nokia.
    http://www.mwcshanghai.com/2015-keynote-speakers/
  • Nokia still needs to announce the "Nokia Supreme" which was developed together with Meizu. As Meizu is a Chinese company it makes sense to announce Nokia's new Android phone in China first.
  • Last payment for my wonderful 925 is this month. Hopefully whatever new high-end Lumia comes to T-Mobile too!
  • Dear Microsoft please stop giving names like lumia500000 to your phones sorry 'our phones ' cos we use them not you.
  • Microsoft Germany already said last December that new phones will be presented at IFA 2015. So that's hardly news. The Microsoft booth at IFA will concentrate mainly on Windows 10 Updates (there will be an "Update bar") and Windows Hello. That's how it'll look like: http://www.drwindows.de/content/attachments/128163d1435764032-microsoft_...
  • John, besides Terry's comment they also did a longer demo of Continuum than we saw from Joe during which the comment "its a phone" (looked like a 640XL) was repeated many times.
  • I have a 1520 I'm still quite pleased with (except the occasional ghost-touch issues) but really, if MS has something in the pipeline they should do everything in their power to reveal it sooner than later (unless the announement is followed by a release 30 days later). Realistically a new flagship (new Lumias in general) should be released day and date with Windows 10 Mobile.
  • As usual..."coming soon"...but I hope they do release real premium devices and not just another numbered phone. That whole system just irks me.
  • Add glance screw for more devices and hide navigation bar.
  • This is what I gather: Right now, there are a total of 20+ models of currently supported Lumia devices on the market worldwide. That's a lot. Trimming this down to 6: 3 tiers, 2 phones per tier - same model just different radios - eliminates a lot of overhead to manage it. That makes more sense so MS can refocus on the software side with 3 platforms to work with. As with any client OS major release, there are a ton of other releases as well: Office, Server, SQL, refreshes for Xbox One, etc. No, WP is not dead. The iFanBoys are still posting hard and heavy about that is is all over Twitter and Facebook, if not forwarding links. The damage is done. If MS wants to fix that, they need to come up with a smart strategy - "Windows Phone is dead. Now your phone runs the same version of Windows as your desktop. Windows 10 Mobile is the next generation smartphone" and blast that far and wide. And then we need to push for getting apps on the platform. In reality, this is a full OS, and more complete API set to integrate. Anyone not on the bandwagon is missing a huge boat - one code tree and now it's on your xbox, desktop and phone combined. Apple? No - desktop and iOS devices are still two separate versions. Android? No real desktop version, just the same OS installed on a desktop with the same limitations in the mobile space. I really think what we all should do is buy our phone PLUS a 2nd phone for a friend. Keep Lumias out of stock for a while, Make the iFanboys cry watching it eat away at their marketshare. I'll gladly buy two phones if it helps drive up marketshare and makes iFanboys cry. :)
  • Don't worry - the flagships will be out of stock in many places but not because of massive demand. And those markets are lucky as Nadella is at least letting be sold there at all. ;)
  • Microsoft does the damage itself with empty promises and poor time to market for quality devices and no differentiators.  I hope Continuum delivers but it will be probably a niche market and not something everyone will run out and grab a new phone for. Their marketing sucks and they don't understand the difference between hyping up a product and simply leaving people waiting vs people salivating for new technology. Windows 10 across all devices is exciting but there is not really that much when you look at a phone as a phone in terms of functionality day-to-day wise that makes it stand out (yet) to consumers. Maybe another super camera phone or something attention grabbing will come but the COMING SOON™ mantra for Lumia and Windows 10 functionality is more harm than good right now when Microsoft needs to deliver something awesome to gain some attention - and market it properly!!!
  • Development for the Mac and iOS are a lot more similar than you're giving credit for. It's not code once, run everywhere, but it's pretty close to the way Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 work.
  • Told u guys they might show a lumia in September at that event
  • I should of held off on the L830. My L920 is still going strong. I got another year left on this thing...
  • Then we will be envious of you when you're able to get next year's flagship phone and we're stuf with the 2015 model lol.  My 920 is going strong too, and now runs the Win10 preview.  I'm using a 930 until the next flagship phone comes out.
  • There was never a question on whether they would announce new flagships this year. The question is, given Nadella's (IMO I'll timed moves) 1) how much effort and money they will put into marketing them, will they ever be available in most markets and carriers etc. 2) will new flagships be developed beyond next 18mo and significant R&D put into the 3rd and 4th rotation flagships?
  • That's good. I hope to find out what other OEMs will bring out to, because input from them is just as important. Don't need flagship myself, but would consider changing 640 for something by LG or Sony. Hopefully bringing improved market share.
  • Not as important but vital now that MS pairing down its portfolio and global market presence. Nadella better have secured a few phones from HTC, Sammy etc. before making those drastic cuts.
  • So we might hear something new in the next quarter? Yippy Skippy.
  • This shouldn't even be news. I mean, the article is, "head of Windows states nothing about the release of Windows 10 Mobile devices." There's nothing "soon," about a likely wait of 3-4 months.
  • I hope September 4th is when we at least hear about the next flagship phone, and pre-orders should be open on the same day.
  • Hoping for something higher then 1080p in a 5" package(really dont care about weight as i just ordered a mugen case for my icon)
  • Its that phrase again, "coming 'soon'" need I say more.......?
  • Don't get excited it will be exclusive to A&T lest the better one.
  • Being an AT&T customer, I'm ok with that, lol. Carrier exclusive phones needs to stop if Microsoft wants to grow their share of the mobile market.  It sounded like Satya agrees with that idea from the restructuring info they sent out last week.
  • C'mon, why can't they just announce the phones now and let people pre-order it? That method works very well in the video game industry and is quite profitable. I would happily pre-order the new phone, SP4, and HoloLens! Please take my money Microsoft!!!
  • Exactly. Unless they want to see even more Lumia owners defect, they  need to formally announce the new phones and a release date.
  • announcing something is a bad idea unless you have a reasonable expectation that it will hit the market in a reasonable timeframe (about a month in mobile).  So, the reason they're not announcing anything now is that it's likely not even going to be available for a couple of months still.
  • Hear hear
  • I think that we will hear more soon, particularly as some employees may have somewhat had their loyalty dented following the redundancy announcement
  • Kis chutiya ko head bana Diya phele windows 10 mobile ko toh released karo abhi se Lumia windows 10 mobile nikal ne wale hai
  • Soon means jack squat coming from Microsoft.
  • MS should release one flagship phone now...and I mean now! If this release coincides with Win10 PC, that would be a nice surprise!
  • That would be great if the mobile version was ready.  I'm running it on my 920 (2.5 yearrs old) without any major issues, but I don't think it is ready for worldwide roll out yet.  I agree that they need to get at least one of the flagship devices out as soon as they can.
  • Why the flagship need to have Win10 mobile on it?? Release it with Win8.1 Update2. It can easily be upgraded to Win10 mobile. This way everyone and critics alike would know that MS is serious.
  • I have thought that same thing. From a business and marketing standpoint it is better for them to wait to release the next flagship phone(s) until windows 10 is out. I was one of the masses demanding they release one in April, but we knew there would probably be a new and possibly beter device a few months later.  The resources (aka people) might not be available to push out the device(s) any faster.  Only recently were some of the Windows 10 (desktop/tablet) staff moved to the mobile version to help speed up development.  MS is taking their time, but I'm hopeful that it will be worht the wait. Waiting this long is an eternity for the smartphone market, but at least they're acting on customer fedback in their hardware and software. Daniel wrote an article that explains MS's decision to hold off on a smartphone a few months ago that probably explains everything better than I just did.
  • Also Windows 8.1 relies on carriers to push out updates.  Microsoft will have the majority of the control with updates after Windows 10.  If MS released a flagship phone now there isn't a guarantee that Win10 would be pushed out to it.  For example, I don't believe AT&T has pushed 8.1 update 1 to their 920 owners yet, and that model in the rest of the world received it ages ago.  AT&T only released it to 2 Lumia devices last time I checked.
  • We've known they're coming "soon" for months now.....
  • Coming sooner!!
  • I don't consider September soon, but that is netter than November.
  • I lost/broke two phones in the past few months and used my insurance replacement rather than my 2-year upgrade because I am waiting for the holy grail flagship phone!!  Hurry up pls.
  • New naming schemes for Lumia please..
  • Microsoft had to trim the fat at Nokia. There was WAY too much overhead.  Too many phone designs. Unfortunately none of the press would report, "Microsoft Restructuring Phone Division to Be More Competitive."
  • September doesn't mean soon
  • Does that mean 2 high end Lumia a year? I was hoping only one high end a year otherwise I'm constantly going to be waiting for the next one.
  • Surface Phone mini, Surface Phone, and Surface Phone Pro. That's it.
  • But are they going to seem faster...
  • Increased velocity guaranteed.
  • Its about dam time. My Note 4 feels generic and slow.
  • Hope Microsoft doesn't lose their customers, they have to do better with their Lumia lineup as soon as possible.
  • Don't even care at this point.  After the Lumia Icon debacle, they lost me. You'd think this company was headquartered in Baltimore.  They're always on BPT with their device launches.
  • Once again it's too late, they totally blew it again. It's just amazing to watch how they completely fail on this mobile thing over and over and over again. There should have been a flagship Lumia to match IPhone 6 and Galaxy S6. I wonder how many people ditched Windows Phone for the android and IOS flagships that came out a few months ago. I know I did.
  • I got hte 6 Plus.  I was going to get the Lumia Icon, but it was discontinued so there was no choice on Verizon since the only other devices they  had were 2 year old Lumias, mid-range Samsung Ativs, and the One M8 for Windows.  I already have the Android version as a backup, and the camera is worthless in addition the battery life being very mediocre.  So, yea, I wasn't about to make that mistake.  I was coming from a Note 3 Daily Driver and just wanted a change of pace (I went from WM to Android to WP to Android and then to iOS because there were no decent WP devices available). I've since bought an iMac so I don't even see myself moving over anymore since I've decided to give in to Lock-In.  Windows Phoen won't work as well with Windows as iOS does with OS X for another 2 years or so, and iOS has like 40%+ marketshare in the US so even if Microsoft comes out with a decent service or two the chances of it being actually useful to me out in the real world are slim to none.  No one I know uses Skype, for example.
  • iPhone has 19% of the worldwide smartphone market and OSX is about 4%. Windows Phone is over 10% in some markets and Windows OS is currently 91%, and that's before the release of Windows 10. Microsoft will continue to be more successful in the majority of their services than Apple dreams of achieving. WP will be successful with the new release strategy and streamlined workforce. Xbox had a big loss then became successful. Surface had a big loss and is now successful and profitable. WP has just made a big loss so just watch it become successful like the Xbox and Surface did.
  • Good for you. I picked up an S6 and it's faulty even after being returned to Sammie twice. iPhone 6 also picked up and sold within a month due to it being dull as hell. Good luck. I'll be laughing when I pick up a 940XL.
  • Its about dam time. My Note 4 feels generic and doesn't sync with my PC.
  • The Note 4 Syncs with a PC.  I had a Note 3, Samsung Kies worked more than fine enough and they completely revamped and rewrote the app so I don't want to hear B.S. about its performance or something stupid like that. It Syncs with Outlook, WMP or iTunes Libraries.  It Syncs Music, Photos, Videos, Podcasts, etc. It does FW Updates, and it can even back up the apps on your phone, like iTunes does with iOS devices. Inability to Sync is the last (and possibly the dumbest) reason to cry about any Samsung device because they've actually done pretty well at making sure they have a decent solution in place to manage their devices on your PC - which is more than some other Android OEMs can say. As far as feeling generic - any device will feel generic after the "new" rubs off of it.  Welcome to the real world.
  • Samsung Kies is the worst bit of software I've ever used!!
  • I refuse to install Kies.
  • Not surprised , waiting on fire for cityman
  • Music to ears.
  • I can't wait to have a Lumia "Cityman" ! W10 FTW /o/
  • None of this will mean a damn thing if Verizon doesn't even sell the thing in the store.  I'd love to see Samsung come out with a "Samsung Universe" Windows 10 Phone.  What the fuck is an "ATIV" besides VITA backwards?  They need to rebrand their Windows line with premium devices.  
  • Offtopic-guys, Happy Pluto Day in advance ... :)
  • I just ruined my 1020 yesterday by getting into the pool with it in my swim shorts pockets. It will not power up now.....sigh. Wish I was more careful so I could run it till the new devices are out.
  • Let it sit in a dry place with battery removed for at least 48 hours.
  • And put it in a cup or pot covered in rice. That'll suck up the moisture
  • It's dead. Sad times.
  • Can someone tell me how to get windows 10 beta on my 1520? Thanks
  • Join the Windows Insider program.
  • Please give me 1020 replacement or provide a fix to produce beautiful sharp non-blurry pics again plz!!!!
  • Buy the camera module from the interwebs, pretty cheap
  • Sure, the new devices may be premium, but will they cost a 'premium' like an iPhone, as reported by an article?
  • Can soon be september? My 920 is literally falling appart. the side buttons dont work and the battey barely holds a charge. Its only usable because I have double tap on, but I would pefer if I got another device
  • #going broke soon
  • I Predict that Windows Mobile 10 smart phones will survive even if Microsoft if the ONLY one who makes and sells them, Microsoft is the only Aternative to the Iphones and Android smart phones, There are enough millions of People like me who do not want to buy a android or an apple smart phone to keep Microsoft smart phones on the market place. a good thing is that windows 10 smart phones that have continuum will behave more like a pocket computer bridging the gap between a smart phones and the desktop/Laptop Computer. thrpuogh MS Universal apps this is possible. and is a very unique thing about windows 10 smart phones that make them the best smart phones to integrate and work with windows 10 devices  
  • Hope they release the new flagships with the Snapdragon 820 chipsets. ARM based 810 & 808 are outdated, defective and worse will bring down the new Windows 10 Mobile with them......These phones require the top of the line, bleeding edge processor to showcase the full potential of Windows 10. Hope Microsoft will grow a brain this time!
  • 808 & 810 are very good processors. There's nothing outdated or defective about them.
  • 810 is a disaster
  • So we hear nothing new to what we already know and people are still acting like it's new information. You people are crazy xD
  • like the lumia 640 was coming soon ... for months ... don't tell me things about crap i cant have Microsoft.
  • Please release one soon, and make it available on all NA carriers.  At the same time, Its the only way they will make a big splash in the market.  Also release the Surface mini please!!!  My 920 is hanging in there, but it is so time to upgrade.  I bet they hold a separate meeting like they did for the Surface reveal.  Just do not announce it in September for November delivery, must be within two weeks to capitalize on the hype.
  • Midrange Phablet please!    840XL or 740XL
     
  • I really hope they do use something other than the Lumia brand since the bad press narrative after last week's announcement on the change of strategy has labeled (and rendered)the brand dead.
  • Well my 920 just died.    I WAS waiting for these >.> What to do now :(  
  • Buy a cheap unlocked/off-contract phone. When the new phone comes out, you can upgrade to the new phone normally via the carrier incentives or buy the new phone outright, and give the temp phone to a family member or whatever. That's what I did
  • Bring on the 1020 upgrade.
  • Haha!! That picture is priceless You gotta love terry
  • September isn't soon enough
  • I want,I want I want!!!
  • Will only buy brand new on release date if it is a 1040, or else I will keep rocking my BLU for a while.  Com'on MS.
  • Well, I'm somehow more interested in Lumia 830 successor... Hope so they give us 6 rumoured devices THIS YEAR.
  • Need to upgrade my 1020 badly!!!
  • "New premium Lumia Windows 10 phones are coming 'soon'"   A camera that shoots circle pictures and a hardware hamburger menu key?
  • Is this the new head of devices, the 1 of 20 that they didn't just fire?? lol
  • Don't you mean Nokias dying Lumia's (they introduced that line); I personally think Microsoft should simply make Surface phone and kill Lumia ASAP; it wouldn't hurt my feeling like it hurt you guys when your beloved Nokia board chose to sell the d&s division to Microsoft (they could have killed the deal at any time but didn't. While the jobs cuts are being blamed on MS, the real culprit is Nokias board because had they killed the deal, you guys think everything would be great in Finland). As for the here maps division which was announced as being up for sell some time ago, I see no takers American or otherwise stepping up to the plate to purchase it. Not a whimper of a consortium looking into its value to make a perspective offer. Enough said Mr. I'm a lawyer...... Why don't you put together a deal for them so they can get rid of that burden just like they did the cellular business?
  • Cool story, 5+ for the effort
  • Soon we will seeeeee them ?   Cool can't wait to see the pretty pictures. When will they be launched and will I be able to buy an unlocked version from MS store free of carrier red taped gift boxing within two weeks worldwide ? Therein lies the rub..... hoping for an improvement on all fronts, but start with a date please.
     
  • Bring the phones, but first I want to upgrade my 1520 to W10. Greetings from Portugal
  • I have read so much bad news lately, my brain automatically converted the headline: Microsoft's Windows head: No premium Lumia Windows 10 phones are coming 'soon'
  • I don't care if its called Lumia, surface toilet bowl, or poopy, and long as they have a 1020 replacement.
  • Release unlocked phones, without any Carrier exclusives. Microsoft needs to by pass carriers who are no help to Windows Phone.
  • Wish they would make some smaller and thinner Lumias. They're mostly huge and chunky bricks. Not what I want in a phone.
  • So, can people stop bitching now?
  • He says premium Lumia phones are coming, but will they be available Stateside (typed while looking at my 930 international version).
  • Worldwide release?
  • Worldwide release!!!! Please!!!!!!
  • Lumia 940 XL + surface pro 4, if both are released on same day with bundled package, I will buy both at heartbeat.. Hopefully they release it worldwide.. Love from Singapore..
  • T-Mobile please : )
  • I hope that the new devices get Band 12 stuff... lol where's the Band 12 guy? 
  • Hooray for premium Windows phones, boo they are being called Lumias...
  • Lumia flagship? A brand new premium design with very high quality. The best camera ever made(like previous flagships) stylus,and many software features that can not be found,in other lumias.
  • Microsoft need to take control off the phone networks, I haven't even had the denim update yet. If Windows 10 doesn't support pptp then I'm afraid it's Android for me.
  • You cant stil use Windows 10 on mobile normally. Its so laggy buggy and hangs for no reason. So how can they lie that they can releas Windows 10 phone soon? Also they have kicked out over half of their mobile division....
  • Email and Calender is ok. I really like the dark theme better. I wish Microsoft wouldn't change the good stuff from 8.1.
  • I am already saving money for that
  • Microsoft can go to the open format policy(unlock) with their phones. That can put them on the shelves in nearly all the Walmarts, Kmarts, Sears, Targets, Walgreens, CVS, Amazon, HSN and so many others. Consumer can but the sims from the carrier of their choice. It will work because the carriers want as many customers as they can possibly getl. It's money to them yet Microsoft can update the OS to their liking and at their rate. Another marketing tool Microsoft can do is partner with some like Sprint or TMobile for these unlock phones. Even those who piggyback off the big carriers but we will have to see how aggressive Microsoft strategy is.  This is where Skype can play to their advantage from a consumer standpoint because those calls are route through the internet and can cost the user far less than paying a carrier on a monthly basis for minutes that may not be used.
  • Help!! My 920 is dying and I don't know what phone to have next,looking for help from you guys
  • I thought Uber was buying HERE (Formerly Navteq)?
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  • Why would I want to pay a premium price for a Lumia phone if I can get a Lumia 430 for $70? Sure, the specs are different, you're not getting my point. I'm talking about marketing and positioning. What's going to be the first thing that comes to mind when someone says Lumia? What do you want it to be? Because let me tell you something, Apple has done that right from day one. Say iPhone and everybody knows right away you're talking about a top notch smartphone. There's no $70 iPhone.
  • I can't wait for a new flagship Lumia - I am bored of my 1020.