Nokia Lumia 1020 holds its own with DXO Mark Testing
The Nokia Lumia 1020 camera was recently tested by DXO Mark and received some rather impressive ratings. For those not familiar, DXO Mark is a company that has established an industry standard for testing cameras and lens performance. While DXO Mark does a number of tests on photographic gear, the testing measurements for the company’s camera database are performed on straight-from-camera RAW files.
DXO Mark already has the Lumia 1020 ranked fifth with a score of 74 on their Mobile Rating Scale (opens in new tab). Now that the Nokia Lumia 1020 has RAW/DNG capabilities (after updating to the Nokia Black Update) DXO Mark has tested the 41MP camera through its in-depth RAW-based sensor testing. This allows the Lumia 1020 to be measured up against other camera in DXO Mark camera database.
The testing did not take lens performance into account but instead looked at the BMI CMOS sensor in the Lumia 1020.
The Lumia 1020 scored a 41 and ranks 222 out of 242 cameras in the database. While the ranking may not be fantastic at first glance, keep in mind the database includes some heavy hitters such as the Canon 1DX (opens in new tab) that scores an 82, the Nikon D610 (opens in new tab) that lands a score of 94 and Sony A7 that was rated at 90.
The DXO Mark conclusion rates the sensor performance of the Lumia 1020 on par with a number of current compact cameras. Compact cameras such as the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ70 (opens in new tab), which also scores a 41 and the Canon Powershot S90 (opens in new tab) that was rated at a 46.
The Nokia Lumia 1020's quality camera performance is no secret to those who own or have been around the Windows Phone. It is nice to see industry leaders such as DXO Mark confirm what many of us already know.
Source: DXO Mark (opens in new tab) via: dpreview (opens in new tab)
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then a month later I shut off the new # paid the $325 early term fee still made out good only cost me $500 instead of $650.
I love my 1020 the pics are awesome.
Head on over to the forums and check out my pics I have an awesome pic of the water wizz slides from the movie the way way back I live 10 min from the water wizz.
As a matter of fact Microkia needs to apply this concept to all future Lumia offerings.. Do your best, and then some, on new models, make headlines, and kill the competition!!! Take some risk❕ Shoving that 41mp sensor into the 1020 was taking a risk, to do slight modifications for the next super camera phone is playing it safe... WP has played it safe for to long.. The next Lumia 9xx 10xx, and 15xx need to be much better.. This is the high end of the market.. Those incremental changes only work in the low end, but I suggest they kill it in the low end as well...
Its not that the current 1020 is not sufficient,,,, the Lamborghini Murciélago was sufficient, but look at its successor, the Aventador... I suggest that the WP software, and devices, team learn some lessons from the luxury, and exotic, car industry... You simply must kill it❕❕.. Lol.
There's a ton of work to be done...
Now, your cycle argument.. It's not really relevant at all.. We're considering learning lessons from the exotic industry from an artistic, tactical principle.. Nobody is suggesting that a phone maker technically run a device division as if it were a auto manufacturer. Product cycles are besides the point... But, regardless if a cycle is 2 weeks, or 2 years, if the market is relentlessly tough then you better put up, or shut up... And, thinking small isn't going to cut it...
Comparing analogies is pointless.
My reply to Monica's original comment was that the next Version of the 1020 is going to have to be much better than the current...
Then Reflexx disagreed saying that the next 1020 had to only improve on two things...
My point, which is what sparked the whole conversation, is that new devices need to have much more than incremental changes in order to command the same kind of excitement as the original... They have to stay above the curve, keep being innovative, and different because the competition is always on their toes.. Thinking that the next generation 1020 only needs a couple tweaks to the camera is not going to keep the media talking, and excitement flowing....
But, the camera is only one aspect of how Lumia devices should move forward, and any other examples used within are only examples.. The original fact still remains... There's no need to steer off and start analyzing which examples, or analogies, are the best.. We're all smart enough here to understand the original point, and realize what's important... In other words, I don't care to explain why I used a certain analogy during making a point.. That's why I've been saying that certain comments are "besides the point"" LOL!
Hey, you asked.. Lol
Also, the only hardware "problem" of the 1020 is the processor. If they had placed a SD800 in it it would be near perfection. Also, the Nokia L1020 is a niche device. I don't expect it to be replaced that soon. The closeness between the launches of the 808 and the 909 was just because of the OS in the phones. As for your wishes about MICROSOFT (stop with the Microkia! I'm gonna hit you, Rod! lol) Lumias in the future...Well, I'm not sure how much will Microsoft keep focusing on the cameras...but remember this: they DON'T own PureView nor any of the camera patents of Nokia. They don't even own the R&D teams that develop the camera tech. What does that mean? It means that Nokia will no longer be developing the camera tech exclusively for their Windows Phones. Because they won't have WPs anymore. They'll be developing the tech and the patents for general licensing. Which means...if Samsung is REALLY concerned about blowing the competition away, all they'll have to do is to go to Nokia and license their until-now-Nokia-exclusive camera tech. Microsoft will probably be licensing it...but they won't have it in exclusivity anymore.
Microsoft may try to surpass the Nokia L1020. But with that deal that so many support, they also abdicated from the exclusivity on all the Nokia tech. So they got themselves in a even more difficult position.
And quite honestly...that should be a matter for concern at Microsoft. Because Nokia and Samsung seem to be having quite a nice partnership in terms of patent licensing (unlike Samsung and Apple for example). And so, although I would like to see Sony licensing Nokia's PureView and all the camera tech, Samsung currently stands in a dangerously close position to Nokia. And Nokia's tech on those cheap-build Galaxies would be a crime.
Go back and read my original points... We're talking about cameras, but the point goes further.
And, I use the term Microkia out of respect.. It's just from the fact that the current WP team will be working beside the former Nokia devices team.. I just don't want to forget what Nokia has started... It's similar to us saying "Metro".. Sure it's not called metro anymore, but you're not gonna stop me from saying it.. I ain't MS, I ain't getting sued... Lol❕
So far the innovation comes all from Nokia. And Microsoft will not own the teams that are in charge of that development of stuff that puts current Nokia phones ahead of the competition (the camera tech). I'm not sure how much the WP team and Microsoft will put in development for their devices or if they'll keep relying on Nokia to develop mobile tech for them.
Currently all Microsoft can do is gimmicks like the fingerprint scanners. I recall reading they had patented for development some holographic stuff...Star Wars holographic-style stuff. If they managed to develop THAT into a phone, that would be a splash indeed. But I bet you they aren't spending much time on that (if any at all). To currently make a splash they would have to hit the jackpot and nail the next big thing in mobile phones. As for the term...I get your point. Except it's just employees that are moving to MS. Nokia will still be there. Ex-Nokia employees will become MS-employees and act according to Microsoft's orders and plans. So there's absolutely no connection between Nokia and them apart form the fact that they used to work for Nokia. It's like calling Jollia or Jolkia to the people at Jolla just because they are ex-Nokia engineers (with the possibility of becoming future Nokia-employees).
Also, although I get your point...it does get on the nerves of Nokia-fans like me =P Nokia will be gone from the mobile phones industry at least until 2016. Lets leave them to rest in peace and recall with fondness the good times when there was a Nokia mobile empire. And lets give Microsoft the chance to try and craft a name for themselves in the mobile market, shall we? You know I won't be using their phones, but I want them to try and do it by themselves without leeching to something that isn't there anymore (Nokia).
Dude,,, you need to seriously get over Nokia... Did your great, great, great grandfather found Nokia, or something❔.. Lol... Come on, dude... Cheer up..
It's a freeking smartphone DJCBS!! I just don't what them finding you hung by yourself in your dorm room, or wherever you live... Just get a Lumia device, dude❕❕❕
Hey, maybe that's what MS should do... Copy Dell with those old commercials..... "Dude you got a Lumia!!!"""" lol..
Dude, I've been using Nokia exclusively for over 15 years. It's therefore very hard to say goodbye. But don't worry. I've got my eyes on what will be my first non-Nokia phone already (and you know it won't be a MS Lumia =P). I won't hang myself over it lol (I've left College quite a while ago...and we don't do the dorm thing here in Europe ;P) But I still don't like to see Nokia leave the phone business. And I'll always be crossing my fingers for them to return in 2016 XD
Now lets see what Microsoft can come up with. If they manage to innovate at all in a significant maner or not. Until then, I'll always have my 1020 which is my camera and I'll be using it for some years even if my daily driver has then shifted to other OEMs and OSs. So I'll still be watching what MS is doing to WP ;) Also, my great great great great grandfather was an Earl. He didn't do sh*t, let alone found Nokia LOL
* bigger and/or replaceable battery
* built in HDR features
* faster processor to speed things up
* faster processor to let us work with the full high rez image
* Work on video features
- Simple editing, including titles & text, putting clips together, adding music and voiceover.
- Photo slideshows
- Live, touch-screen focus
- Manual white balance 41MP is more than enough to work with. I'll assume continued improvement of the oversampling and .jpg processing.
Yeah, those are the kinds of things they need to do.. It's not about more pixels.. But, they need to add more innovation like new types of flash, and flash outlets.. Also, it's not just all about the camera. They better come up with other hardware and software innovations to stay ahead, or get ahead.. It's just not all about the camera, but that's a good place to continue to push hard..
"Compared with the more recent Apple iPhone 5S, we can see that while Apple is getting the most from its existing technology but they appear closer to their technical limit than Nokia is with their Lumia 1020."
Just completely and utterly ridiculous...
or even better - from 0-9 Video OIS is the best ever in any phone
you mean the light gathering or speed or white balance or saturation or ???
The iPhone 5S better than the Nokia L1020? LOL!
Not even my friends who HAVE the iPhone 5S agree with that. And I have way too many friends with the 5S.
One of my best friends is a die hard Apple fan. He basically is as surrounded by Apple stuff as it's possible to be. And even he asked me to try out my 1020 and was smashed by the results of the camera. As for the Z1's performance...well...not in my book it isn't. I was majorly disappointed when I tested it against the 920's camera! The results were worse at full zoom. The Z1 zoom was bigger...but the amount of tinkering the image suffered was appaling. I won't even dare to test it against the 1020. God knows I want Sony to nail down camera tech on smartphones as I need an OEM once Nokia's gone. But they're clearly not there yet. The Z1 is, to me, the best camera phone you can buy on Android (well...the Z1 Compact is to me the best Android you can buy so far). But it's not at all the best camera phone you can buy. Only Nokia beats Nokia. I would believe the ratings if they were: 1 - Nokia 808
2 - Nokia 909 (the 1020)
3 - Xperia Z1
4 - iPhone 5S
5 - Galaxy S4 Because I've tested 4 of those phones (the only one I haven't tested is the 808 but I might buy it still so...). And based on MY experience, that would be my rating.
But we will not be seeing a substitute to the L1020 coming from Nokia. That I'm 99% sure.