The Lumia 925 – Hands on with Nokia's new flagship in video and photos
We’re still here in London, playing around with the recently announced Nokia Lumia 925. We’re talking to Nokia about the device and learning all sorts of bits of information, which we’ll share later today. For now, you can feast your eyes on our hands on video and some high quality shots.
For those of you who dismissing this as just another 920, we’d suggest you reconsider. The phone feels like a Lumia 720 (which we love) but it has the 920 guts inside, making it a very compelling device for those who want a thinner, lighter phone. It’s not an iteration of the 920, but “another expression” of it.
Do you like the 925? Tell why or why not in comments and we’ll toss up a poll too in another post to measure your reaction!
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Daniel Rubino is the Editor-in-chief of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft since 2007 when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, laptops, next-gen computing, and for some reason, watches. Before all this tech stuff, he worked on a Ph.D. in linguistics, watched people sleep (for medical purposes!), and ran the projectors at movie theaters because it was fun.
More to the point... I would love to see some colorful anodized aluminum from Nokia. They took plastic and made it look premium. Now they should take aluminum and make it look more warm and fun.
I was in the verge comments reading all the people moaning and groaning about how this isn't a suitable 6 month refresh. I came here expecting different.
Who the hell else does a six month refresh that they're comparing against? I think this is brilliant, it's like in console market, like when the Xbox 360 s/PS 3 slim updates were released. Just improving on a good thing, at least we're getting some lofty promises for the summer, and with today's excitement I'm really looking forward to it.
And objectively, it's at the very least taking the Lumia in a whole new area of design, trying out new things. Which is a lot more than I can say about the 12 month refreshes a lot of the competition makes.
The amber update is awesome, nothing groundreaking, but lots of nifty stuff. Jumping straight into a lens when turning on the camera application, that's going to be huge! You can completely replace the default camera on the phone, which would be an insanely bold move. Even if it was customization as the result of Nokia's preferred status, this is still cool, no reason other OEMs couldn't get it.
A WP flagship on Verizon, and a WP flagship on tmobile, how can anyone downplay this? The fans on big red and tmo should be ecstatic. And they seem to be tightening up the dead time from announcement to release.
Honestly, they packed a lot of announcements in to that one event, I don't get how this is being downplayed.
And all the software goodness comes to the rest of the Lumia devices, I wouldn't expect less, but nice to get a confirmation.
Wah?!?!? THIS IS HUGE!!!!!!! I always found he lenses nice but cumbersome as you needed to access them separately making them more of a "let me show you what my phone can do" thing than something I would want to use on a daily basis. THANK YOU for pointing this out!!
Granted not everyone uses their phone like I do and they can be content with streaming apps like Nokia Music, Pandora, Slacker etc.. It just comes down to your device use for me 16gb is too anemic for my purposes. I am not on T-mobile though and I will snag a 920 when my contract is up or when I see one for the right price. :P
920's weight and thickness was a deal breaker for me, not too sure about thos big bezels again on this device but on the plus side the screen is OLED which is a + for me.
> Vodafone is getting the 32GB version
That's great because everyone in the world uses Vodafone
StevesBalls, StevesBalls. Hmmmmm, that says... 15?
Seriously get over yourselves guys & girls and yes some of the post people make are dumb & uneducated remarks. half the time people post without even reading the articles.
I would have like to see the 928 & 925 with expandable storage to increase its value even more.(for us storage hungry)
Another thing is that T-Mobile has unlimited data. Sure they will scale down your speed at some point, but Skydrive storage is a more feasible option. And we must remember that Lumia Storage Check deals with the terrible "Other" storage bug while GDR2 will likely take care of it permanently in the OS. I've got a lot of apps and games installed on my phone and am using under 4GB of storage on my 822's phone storage of 16GB. Granted, I do have microSD, but even with the music I'ev stored locally there, I'd still be under 16GB total if not for the "Other" issue. I clear out my photos every so often because the phone backs them up to Skydrive when I'm on wifi.
Regardless, the 925 and 928 are both very nice evolutions on the 920 design. I'd prefer the 928 due to the Xenon flash (and I'm on Verizon anyways, so what can you do?).
Back on the phone, great for non 920 users. Don't like it? Wait for the next big thing.
1) To most technical people (Who are probably less than 1% of the market), more storage option might be more appealing compared to a slimmer design with a metal casing.
2) Most other non-technical people will go for a slimmer form factor any day, i've never heard my girlfriend complain about the12GB non expandable memory on her phone, she always moans about why my 920 is so heavy though when she has to borrow my phone when we are out and about and her crappy Android HTC can never get a decent reception for viewing maps.
There has to be a trade-off, slimmer components, aluminium casing, better screen will increase the cost per unit production for the phone, hence it looks like size of memory has taken a hit here. I still prefer my 920 as I’d rather not do without wireless charging, but’s that’s just because it a form factor that appeals to me.
completely underwhelmed and disappointed, the only thing i like is the build material
Great read, Daniel, in spite of dummies.
So, what may be relevant to a bunch of geeks on a mobile phone forum, is not necessarily relevant to most people purchasing the phone. You and I are in a very small minority, my friend. But, I'll probably grab the 925 myself. I even thought about getting a 521.
Also your claims of CPU, and GPU power are almost as irrelevant an argument as total number of apps is. What matters to most people is, "does whatever I bought run?" That's literally it. While you can pull up tests and data that may tell you a story I will simply tell you that any WP device runs better and handles IT'S OS better than the most powerful android device out there. Prove me wrong.
If all that you speak on mattered then the iphone wouldn't be the top seller. It would be the strongest android device out today.
Even though, the majority of SG4s won't have octa-cores and even with it, its performance, while good, is not off the charts. Samsung uses specs as marketing tools. Apple never used specs as part of marketing, they focused very effectively on the entire user-experience.
What my concern is whether 925 be able to position itself against the specs being shown-off by the likes of Samsung and HTC....thats all
This phone is coming to Europe in 16GB and in 32GB exclusively for Vodafone, now I have a question that I couldn't find an answer for online: With WP7 it was possible to force the update with the cable trick, which I made extensive use of with my LG E900 which, altough bought free on the market, had Vodafone in it's "Info" (altough it didn't have any software branding) and wouldn't get the updates on the first day of release. Now, is it possible to force the update with WP8? When I google for it I only get descriptions for WP7, and I need to be on the safe side when I buy a phone with carrier-branding.
What I note is a fair amount of rationalization for what is in effect a "poor" decision by Mr Rubino.
Maybe unfair to call this a premium device and cut storage short, but Nokia isn't the only ones doing it. Doesn't the Nexus 4 only come in 8 and 4 gb?
Man, you're such a Vag. (hint, using the entire word is definitley NOT cool, Bro.)
I only WISH I had your vocabulary.
In case you didn't notice, I'm not using sarcasm this time. I'm actually being condescending because I think I'm like, you know, WAY smarter than you, Bro.
If I had a tenth of Daniel Rubino's intelligence and self control, I sure as hell wouldn't be giving you the time of day. And, no, I don't know Daniel Rubino from Adam but you can say whatever you like to me. Just leave him out of it. Or, just go away.
You have the floor, Bro! I'm outta here. Gotta find something to do with all of this sand, Bro.
well whatever generates him some ad revenue.
The point of all this wireless charging technology is to INTEGRATE it into the phone.
The necessity of a cover is just a step back. Weight and Thinness may be an advancement but 1cm and 180grams shouldn't even be considered a liability in the first place. I'd say maybe a good optional 920 choice that is in metal. Not an advancement for sure.
I am torn between this and the 928! Im leaning 928 though.
Nokia has several patents/IP on their telephony and antenna's - they know what they are doing with this Lumia 925!
but tell me how this phone is supposed to be better than the 928? hmm? even then, the 928 has a huge shortcoming in that it doesn't have an SD card slot either. big fail.
You asked how is it better than the 928, I never said it was I said it was variation of the 920 (not 928) with some advances in hardware. Again if those advances are not important to you just move on. This phone is far from worthless as you stated in many areas and some have nothing to do with the specs at all.
Most people don’t buy phones every six months so a company like Nokia or Apple even doesn’t plan their releases around a six month turn around. If that was the case than yes this phone would have been completely different. What Nokia is doing is getting their money out of this line of phones first then they will move on to the next (and I am sure they already have started or nearly completed that) phone but today is not the day to release it.
Again you calling this phone totally worthless is assuming they made it just for you but we all know that is not the case.
I have been around this site for a very long time but I don’t write much because there is so much crying and carrying on here sometimes it just get downright boring. People think companies are suppose do what they say when they say it that is not how the business world works.
I didn't plan on replacing my phone every 6 months- i kept my last one, a Tour 9630, for something like 30, but if Nokia had a flagship phone WITH SD CARD SUPPORT, i would have paid the extra $$ to get it.
honestly, my 822 is getting the job done, though its shortcomings are 100% due to the OS itself. for instance, i've discovered that i can't run Pandora and record video at the same time.
Which makes me hope the coming devices will look nice again, because otherwise I just can't see myself buying a Nokia phone this fall. Bummer, really.
I guess I justed wished the same for Nokia with today's event, i.e. another 920-like design with regards to media praise, hence the disappointment on my side. Now, don't get me wrong - I sure hope Nokia will find loads and loads of people who think like you rather than me, as I strongly believe in WP8 and wish the platform the best HW support it can possibly get!
Would love to see articles on WPCentral about these updates. Do you know when you'll have detailed informations about GDR2 and other updates?
There isn't wireless charging while navigating in car....
Still, it's a bit of a dull design. Very sober and business like and certainly not as fun as other Lumias. You say it feels like the Lumia 720, I wish it looked like the Lumia 720 too! The 720 body with the 925 innards would have really tempted me.
I'm not thrilled about the position of the MicroUSB port on the 925/928 as that makes the phone useless when docked, I thought Microsoft had dictated ports needed to be bottom centre from WP8 onwards so they'd all work with the muriad "Android" docking stations around?
Also, where the heck is Micro-SD support?! It's 2013, they shouldn't be cutting storage down to 16GB anymore, it's absolutely ludicrous to not at least keep 32GB and then give Vodafone a 64GB exclusive instead.
I don't mind too much about them leaving out wireless charging but the covers they've designed are dreadfully distracting, that they are the only way to bring Lumia-style colour to the device is also disappointing.
I think Nokia hyped this even far too much, while it is an international release and the Smart Camera and Hipsteramtic apps are nice, the phone is an incremental update to a six month old device, it's not available for another month, and the new apps are coming to those of us already using WP8 devices "at some point over summer".
I don't understand the need for an event for this? All it did was generate hype and expectation that Nokia knew it couldn't match (unless they seriously thought what they showed us was genuinely amazing stuff) that will lead to disappointment that will lead to more bad press.
The 925 looks like a great device but Nokia should have just announced it and released it like they did with the 928. There was no need to make such a show of something that doesn't really push them into new areas.
1. Top/Bottom bezel symmetry. I prefer the top bezel to be much smaller than the bottom one (as in the 920)
2. Nokia logo centered. I'd prefer it if they moved the logo to the right (920) or even better below the screen!
On a different note, I wish they had announced more software stuff today. Was kind of let down on that front :/
Does any other 920 owner feel a little betrayed that Nokia released the 928 and 925 so soon after the 920?
Maybe it's not the final cover?
The same phone, minor tweaks. No reason to feel betrayed.
Were I to buy a new one today I would maybe go for the 925 over the 920, but am not sure. Really miss the colors of the 920 in the new designs, though. Love seeing cyan in Nokia's designs.
At least Verizon got Xenon, which I would have potentially viewed as an upgrade. I still wouldn't feel betrayed in the slightest, as it's good to see, and I damn well expect the platform to move forward. This just feels like a half step backward for T-Mobile. Definately better that not having a high end device, but I'd have been pissed if this was my only choice
Come on Nokia, you can do better than this. I think it is time for you to duct tape Microsoft's mouth closed, put them in your pocket and bring out the big guns! Do what you do best and give the world something NEW!
I mean... you do know this, right?? :-o
The 925 is a solid looking device to me and one of first that would tempt me to give Windows phone a try. One thing that has impressed me about 920 is the camera and this one seems to take that a step further. As for storage - I've never owned a phone with more than 16 GB and I've never come close to filling it. With multiple cloud storage options plus a NAS with 6TB of storage that I use as my own personal cloud and media server, I just don't keep that much media on my phone - all I need is enough for a plane ride.
The 925 may not be a giant advance over the 920, but it still will appeal to a lot of people like me who didn't like the design of the 920.
White one not so much in my opinion, looks like Galaxy. Plasticy and flimsy..
In my 920 is perfectly placed on the bottom center.
I love the idea of the slimest / sexiest version anyway.
As long as they announce a proper flagship in fall.
It wouldn't be a deal killer certainly, but I've grown to love my wireless charging and not sure I want to have to buy another accessory to make it happen.
On the flip side if that's the worst I can say about the phone, It's pretty dang good.
As for the wireless charging, at first I thought this phone should have this natively. However, now that I see how the wireless charging back clicks on, I think it is genius. It doubles as a protective case for the phone and gives it some color to boot. I haven't bought the wireless back for my 822, because I want to have a protective case (wouldn't go without one on any smartphone). I don't think the wireless charging would work if I have a case over it, I could be wrong. But if there was a case like the one for the 925, I would get it.
There's only ONE mistake Nokia made here. That is not releasing the 920 to all carriers at the same time when the "buzz" was really going. But this is in essence what you are seeing here. T-Mobile, and Verizon's version of the 920 and I really don't see what the issue is.
Those that say, "No thanks I'll keep my 920..." Well, good for you. If you're in the US you probably got it on ATT so you most likely don't have much choice.
The rest of you seem like you're trying to earn an olympic medal in ignorance. This isn't a new device, it's the latest version of a previously released device on a carrier that I'm sure most of you don't have. So again, your options are limited. If you can't look at this and come to a conclusion along the lines of, "Great! Another WP 'flagship device' on another carrier which makes it available to more people which is always great for WP as a whole", then you just don't get it. Your short-sighted tunnel vision and ignorance is annoying.
What's truly amazing though is that this is also another indication that Nokia, and Microsoft are in fact listening to people, and reviews. Those weak armed weenies who feel the 920 is too big and heavy for their delicate little hands that are only good for typing scathing "reviews" of mobile devices now have a lighter, thinner 920. What's your complaint now?
2). We don't know 100% yet that TMo won't get the 32G version. We're all speculating, but they haven't said anything yet.
I note that the speaker grill on the back is covered by the wireless charging shell.
It's a pretty phone, but does have weaknesses. I also do not like that it seems to be a carrier exclusive here in the states. I've been ever so impressed by T-Mobile's handing of the 810 (and the 710 before that), that I view a carrier exclusive on T-Mobile with a certain jaundice.
Am I the only one in the world who charges his phone when driving and a call comes in ? Putting a charge port on the top is a joke for this use.
I have a long USB cable in my car so I can talk on the phone while charging, If needed. With it on top just gets in the way and I need a longer cable...
As far as i know, they have released this and made sure 920 is also being sold.. if 925 is awesome, then 920 is going to tank.
Thanks for nothing Nokia. On the bright side, my 920 will be in use longer.
Pretty disappointed in this. They abandoned the extrusion form factor and iconic front view.
*Maybe* if they eliminated the huge black stripes, had colored versions, etc.
Is that case supposed to match the phone design at all? Because it doesn't....
Less color. I still love the 920 and 900s unibody polycarbonate body in it's technicolor glory. The 925 is bland and the case isn't a good substitute for that. Durability. The 920 is basically bulletproof. The thickness and shape of that unibody case make it the perfect all-around real world phone, I barely flinch when I knock it off a table, miss my pocket and drop it or put it into a pocket with coins/keys by mistake. The 925 seems like it's going to be much more fragile. The case. I suppose Nokia is throwing a bone to people who love color with the case, but functionally it's a bit of a head scratcher. Nokia basically put the Qi charging tech on the outside in order to get a thinner, lighter device. Size and weight were never big complains for me, so this case makes the phone less attractive, less durable and creates more spots for failure.
I'd like a thinner, lighter version of the 920 at some point but I don't want it to be less durable in exchange. And I'd hate to be walking around with my Nokia is a case like iPhone users do.
Frankly, I'm surprised by the lack of the xenon flash. With the 928 (Verizon only) having xenon, and with Sony and Samsung rumored to be introducing xenon flash phones, I'm surprised that Nokia chose to omit a xenon flash on the 925.
As a 920 user I don't see reason at all to upgrade to it. I believe this is another "flavor" of 920 just for the users out there that don't like some 920 aspects. I do hope the 930 will be a better device. I am in love with Windows Phone, specially in Nokia devices.
Six months later...
"The Lumia 928 which weighs just 139g but is otherwise very much like the 920... is awful."
Wait, what... ?
I can accept it only if it wil remain just for T-mobile and noone else, and if it is not a new flagship as 920. What I like about it is the size and the covers.
LOL! No wonder they are in last place among major U.S. carriers. Just plain stupid!
Nevermind that moving the microUSB to the top of device provides an easy entry-way for moisture in wet weather. I suppose as it is I will be buying a used 920 to unlock and use on T-Mobile instead of Nokia getting my money.
While I think Nokia's hardware and design are far superior than what I've seen come out of HTC (even considering the HTC One), I would hope that Nokia takes a hard look at HTC to ensure they do not fall into the same pitfalls--putting out carrier variants of the same phone iteration, i.e. HTC One, One XL, One XT, etc. I can easily see this being the first of many Nokia Lumia 9xx varients that in the end dilute the brand and cause confusion within the WP8 community. It's one thing to change bits and pieces, no flash, different flash, different camera, different memory etc, but to have a redesign (and quite dramatic one going from a polycarb shell to an aluminum one) and only release this for a carrier (I'll say as a disclaimer I am currently a Tmo customer and thinks an aluminum shelled Nokia Lumia 9xx exclusive to Tmo sucks the big one) suggests to me that Nokia may be trying to do what HTC did (and failed at) to try and gain further marketshare. What Nokia should do is to have carriers get the aluminum shell design and put the polycarb online as an unlocked version that can be bought outside of a contract. Gives some incentive to those who don't mind getting something through a carrier subsidy, but also allows the brand to proliferate users who just want the device and not the carrier. Just my 2 cents.