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Quick take: Samsung Galaxy S4 versus the Nokia Lumia 920

Today here in New York, Samsung finally pulled the sheet off of the Galaxy S4, their next big flagship Android phone for 2013. Due at the end of April, the phone looks almost exactly like the S3 save a few minor differences, but it’s the guts and software that make this a killer device. It will launch on a massive 327 operators in 155 countries for complete global reach.

We’ll spare you all the details of the S4, though it does feature 2GB of RAM, an eight-core Samsung Exynos 5410 running at 1.8GHz, a triple-core PowerVR SGX 544 graphics chip with a massive 2600mAh battery. Oh yeah, it also has a swanky 5” 1080P Super AMOLED display at 440 PPI and various sensors, including Infrared gesture, temperature and humidity sensors, which while gimmicky is still really neat. Finally, it sports a 13MP rear and 2MP front camera, with some new "innovations" like two-way shot.

We briefly put it up against our Nokia Lumia 920 in a video and while this is far from a controlled “versus” battle, you can at least get an idea of how Samsung’s beast looks against Nokia’s.

Should Windows Phone and Microsoft be worried?

As much as we hate to admit it, yes. Samsung is a juggernaut right now with a lot of momentum. Just as the S3 is peaking globally they’re showing off the next version, which nicely builds off of its predecessor. For all of Android’s faults (and yes there are plenty), since the 4.2 1 update the operating system has stabilized with a more coherent feel to it.

The problem is becoming clearer with every release: Samsung (and other Android OEMs) can out maneuver Microsoft and its partners, both for phones and new iterations of the OS (though carrier updates are a separate issue).

Don’t get us wrong, loyal readers, we’re not down on Windows Phone at all and still prefer it. But we’re not blind either to recognize that tonight, the completion just ratcheted up to a new level. And if you saw the money and determination behind the Galaxy S product line, you’d be concerned too.

For more hands on video of the Samsung Galaxy S4 and more information, head to our sister site Android Central for all the details.

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

  • Already an s4 really? That's crazy.
  • I know right.. I can't stand the galaxy S3 because of the cheap feel and the UI is just disgusting. I wonder if they'll fix that.
  • Samsung won't move from plastic for awhile. In my opinion, the Ativ S is the best built Samsung phone.
  • The problem is that Microsoft limited hardware specs. No full hd displays, no quad-core. They also limited some software. No custom keyboards, etc. These limitations shut out Windows phone from enjoying the limelight that comes from the newest hardware and some software.
  • lol why do you need 8 core? oh becuase andriod lags so eat resources so thats why.
  • But that's simply not true.
    I've owned an Galaxy Nexus(a dual-core phone) and I can't remember having any notable lag on anything on the device.
    The last device I ever had any serious lagging problems was the HTC Hero.
  • Not true either, I too had the GNEX and it did lag from time to time and it was 100% stock... WP with half the power never lagged.
  • It did lag randomly that was probably the phone uploading your information to google lol.
  • +100   
  • I owned a HTC One S before getting my Lumia 920. Great phone but there was still quite a bit of lag at times especially after installing a fair few apps. My 920 is just quicker and slicker. Be interesting to see how much quicker the S4 is over the 920. Time for Nokia to reveal their S4 beater yet?
  • My fiancee has a Galaxy Nexus loaner phone right now and she absolutely hates that phone. Says the UI is clunky and unituituve. She doesn't understand why people line up to get Android garbage,
  • Funny my Nexus 7 lags an anoying amount, its usually fine flicking through menus, but if you actually try and start doing things quickly it can become stuttery. Ats thats with stock, overclocked, and all roms I have tried. I even noticed lag just flicking through menus on an Xperia Z, not anywhere near as much as droid used to have. But using it and going back to the 920, you realise just how smooth it can be, and how much improvement there is to make on android. In fact the best least laggy phone I have used was a stock GS3, but the interface is ugly.
  • Liar! I own a GNexus and it lags all the time even with Jelly Bean. Though with Jelly Bean I've seen massive improvement from ICS.
  • I too have a GNex and it almost never lags....
  • Android lags!
    even on my HTC One X, which has very decent specs!
    It's just the way the OS is built.. clunky.
    All Android hardware manufacturers can do is woo people with more CPU cores and more RAM..
    it's just silly. In 2 years is Samsung going to introduce a 20-core phone? and for what?! to browse the web? While the OS UI, performance and the phone design are still horrible.
  • Because at inexpert eyes it looks more advanced. it is marketing
  • At this moment yes. But it will be a GDR2, GDR3 and Blue update for Windows Phone:
    So I suppose  the next Nokia flagship that will replace the Lumia 920 will have all this stuff to.
  • I agree
  • It is effectively a quad-core because it only uses a maximum of 4 cores at a time. 1080p should be supported, but personally I don't want it in my phone.
  • No full HD display ? excuse me ? Lumia 920 has HD man ...
    The keyboard doesn't need customisation has it is already good enough in itself
    Actually your whole comment is just full of completely wrong details ...
  • Full HD = 1080p. The Lumia does not have a display capable of 1080p.
    Your argument should be: "Why does a handset designed to fit in one hand NEED 1080p"
  • Perfectly said, very good points! Samsung is an OEM that wants to win iPhone users and but WP8 is not enough for them. I mentioned the same points to MS feedback about WP8. MS has to feed these OEMs well ahead how?
    1. WP8 can't limit 720p, instead should support 4K ( I am not kidding, there could be Hardware limitations that OEM are forced to manufacture, rather than they wait for MS to release next OS that supports 1080p)
    2. MS should certify Quad core processors as soon available in the markets, not necessary for mere Phone users, but sure it's a futre proof when consumer signs 2 years contract!!!
  • Paul Remember High Hardware Requirments mean OS is heavey. if you will talk about S3 ...even S3 was very high Hardware specs....but still S3 was
    Halted during use
    Restart it self
    Slow apps open
    and many more.
    now in S4 again they use very high specs no doubt but just think WHY....because of ANDRIOD OS.
    if we will talk about Windows Phone OS or Apple iOS they are much mature than Android. that is why they don't need high specs becayse they know their OS can run on midum level hardware.
    ANDROID is OPEN SOURCE you can do whatever you want that is why at the end OS *ucked up.
    iOS and WP OS don't allow to cooking that is why they are stable, non hackable, very very less crashing chances. and very responsive. ;)
  • Well, the good thing about Android is that on Google Play, you can download a number of different launcher skins to use in place of TouchWiz, which I'm not a fan of either.  Nova Launcher and Apex, in particular, are very nice.
  • S3 is 9 months old now, given the speed of changes happening with hardware improvements i think 9 months is fair enough time for a new flagship.
  • Well im not against the galaxy but damn it feels like just yesterday the s3 came out
  • no. the s3 is one year old.except if you are from the u.s. i think they launched it there later
  • It was launched internationally in May 2012.
  • The S4 won't be launched until April 26 so that makes sense.
  • No this is the 118th galaxy phone so its the Galaxy S118
  • Lmao
  • lol! nice!
  • Watching the live event now and... some of their features already exist in windows phone... Just better presentation and i presume, marketing. Microsoft need to really be worried. Hahaha. I love windows phone but i do recognize a good device and featureset when i see it. 
  • I'm watching it too. Their presentation is so classy and grand. The software features are killer though. Microsoft needs to take the limits off hardware and software if we want to keep up. We got our hands full here folks but I'm hoping Microsoft can make a strong counter.
  • I don't feel need of more hardware but software, being an app dev, i'd love a little more power :D
  • As an App developer myself, i totally agree,.
    Android makes up for lack of its OS features with a more flexible API, which allows people to make killer apps. Microsoft is following Apple by severly restricting the API which is a dampner. 
    If Microsoft opens its API a little more and adds true multitasking, nothing can stop WP from gaining huge ground. 
    Open up the API already :D
  • I am watching it...and they are showing stuff 920 has but in a way as if its their innovation.
  • It's called marketing, and my oh my will The Verge just lap it up.
  • What, specifically, are you referring to?
  • Microsoft better be worried. If this comes to Tmobile before a Nokia 920 variant or ATIV S I'm caving in on W8. I LOVE W8 phones but I need a hero type device. A 4.3 screen and only 16 GB want cut it anymore.
  • Fyi the 920 is 4.5 and 32gb. In case you were unaware.
  • I'm very aware... In a lusting kinda way. Tmobile needs something like this ASAP. They have nothing on the W8 front to compete with the Galaxy line phones. People swarm to my sons Galaxy 3 and look right over my puny HTC 8X. What's sad is even I do. Come on Nokia give Tmo a 920 variant.
  • FYI the 920 isn't available from T-Mobile and most people in the U.S. are unwilling to pay $700 for a phone.
  • I know the 920 isn't available on Tmo. That's what I'm complaining about. Tmo don't have no High end phone to complete with the Galaxy line. That's why I'm considering a Galaxy 4/Note 2 if Tmo don't get something like Verizon is getting.
  • yes just look at the effort samsung had done to promote the s4. 300+ carriers or is that 600+ in 155 countries. Just so aggressive and the fact that the way they talk about their features even if it existed three years ago in WP is like they have invented the whole idea (text to speech anyone a la mango?). 
    Microsoft really need to drive their OEMS to make a HERO device, a WP Flagship that just smokes the S4. I have all the faith in WP and i want it to really shine.
    Another note on how sad the situation of Windows Phone. here in Philippines, the two biggest carriers are promoting the BB10 as if it's a godsent phone. BUT I DON'T SEE ANY LUMIA 920 BEING MENTIONED OR OFFERED
  • Your fanboism is too much. You must agree that android has a lot more features than crappy Windows Phone. I know probably someone is going to say android is bad, but you can't change the truth... lol so fuck you all WP fanboys and NokiaMicrosoft ass lickers.
  • Every smartphone has some competition now. Hopefully Nokia and HTC can top it soon. ! Some features clearly copied from Nokia though. Built in Eraser feature to camera? pssshhh, Nokia Smart Shoot. (: Although, some camera apps have done it before, but still.
  • There maybe some truth to Nokia's claim Samsung stealing technology and ideas. Samsung's Galaxy game controller add-on proves it. Looks just like Xbox's.
  • And MS has yet to tweak the WP8 to allow display resolutions higher than 1280x768. In 2014, maybe...
  • No, Microsoft needs to do it this year. We can't lag behind in an uphill battle forever.
  • Yeah, I know. It should be available since Day-1. I was being ironic about 2014, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens.
  • Oh yes we can. It is increasingly apparent that Microsoft's plan is to do just enough to get by. They are not going to be the superstar in smartphone anytime soon and are not doing a lot to change their position.
  • Do you want a longer battery life and a lower hardware requirement in terms of ram, CPU and GPU power?
    Or do you want pixels you cannot see with the naked eye?
    The way I see it having a 720P screen is a bonus.
    I'm wondering if this will be the year that marketing gets trumped by common sense when it comes to specs, 8 cores is ridiculous, okay only 4 active at a time, but even 4 is pointless in a 5" or smaller handheld device.  The XBOX 360 and PS3's are old now, but they offer far more performance and only are equipped with 512mb of ram.
  • It's a very odd thing to argue against technological advances...I'm not sure I can get on board with that, sorry.
  • These technical advances though have no benefit for the user, they appear to instead be driven by marketing reasons.  For the screen for example its either a choice between having pixels we can see or better battery life, people brought into the "retina" argument, but no one has stepped out and made the argument why we need to go beyond it yet.
    Although honestly I expect that unless things change marketing wise all top end phones will require a 1080P screen to compete.  Looking at Nokia so far they have only included a feature if it will have an actual benefit - Wireless charging, OIS, super sensitive screen, fast update screen etc.  Maybe this is the year to start attacking competitors for poor battery life, as its one of the features of a smartphone that effects everyone.
  • I agree about the screen. I have the Surface RT with a lowly 768 display and it's gorgeous. Why we would need more than that on a phone is beyond me. I would much prefer a longer battery life and improved functionality than more pixels.
  • Except the S4 will have a higher res screen AND better battery life than the Lumia. Not to mention the fact I can get my movies and series simply across to the device and play them, no matter what format they are, and play them using one of the many free video players available on the market - including subtitles and alternate audii-tracks. In WP, I have to convert them. Again. I like WP a lot, but let's not pretend it doesn't lack basic functionalities available on Android.
  • ... "will have..."? Are you from the future? AFAIK, that remains to be seen. One would have to do the same day-to-day tasks to see which has better battery life. Also, no one was denying that Android has more apps and openness than WP.
  • 720p is more than sufficient for a 4.5" screen. The S4's specs are plain unnecessary -- 8-core CPU, 3-core GPU and 1080p screen? That's going to kill the battery in a very short amount of time.
  • EXACTLY. The 2600mAh battery is not going to give you what you think it will. With Androids power management, a 1080p screen, 8 cores (although only 4 can be on at a time and Android/Linux has very more multicore support) and gimmic features like that IR beamer this thing will be lucky to get 6 hours of normal use. Then of course there the issue of battery wear. Higher capacity batteries are great for phones that don't chew through the battery, but for ones that do, you will get crap battery life after a couple of months.
  • Intel actually mentioned that even with 4.1(jb) android does not utilize even dual cores to full potential...which explains why a WP with the same processor smokes an android
  • Not a surprise at all, but its clear Intel are not pushing extra cores as hard as the competitors, probably because they know they can smoke them with performance per a core and get a real benefit in power consumption.
    With multiple cores a lot of performance then gets lost in the memory management as the cores try to read and write the same block of memory, coding something to efficiently use multiple cores at once takes a lot of effort.
  • Spec is what drive sales. The first thing that tech sites do with phone is bench marks. Everything else comes second. If it doesn't pass their standards, the product is more or less done.
  • Spec doesn't drive apple sales,  its ux
  • Sufficient = not good enough.  
    Need's got nothing to do with it.  It's about want, and the tech public wants specs.  Give them spects.  Telling the public they don't need higher resolutions isn't going to win WP8 converts.  
  • You say that because you're fanboy. Simple as that, you can't accept the truth.
  • By the time WP gets 1080p Samsung will be releasing a Note with a 4K screen.
  • S4 is ugly as fuck! I should be saying S3, shouldn't I?
  • Depends on you. I don't know about the S3, but I do admire that the S4 has a similar metal frame lining as the Galaxy S2, with a few aesthetic differences like the microUSB port not surrounded by the metal. Hopefully, it makes the phone more durable. Man, now I have to tell myself NOT to think about switching platforms. I don't want to abandon my Lumia 920.
  • I thought the lining was polycarbonate instead of metal.
  • Isnt that lining what all the cheap tuners put round their cars to make it look cool?
  • That's a shock what the specs are but i wouldn't count Nokia out just yet there Nokia code name catwalk or 928 still yet to be shown to the world
  • im really liking that no android fan by any means but damn if windows doesnt top it by august im gonna have to pick one up.(definatly keeping my lumias tho)
  • Same here. I love Windows Phone, but these Android superphones' specs make our devices look like cheap, plastic toys.
  • Does your phone run the programs you have on it smoothly?  Do they lag?  Do you have to reboot on a regular basis?  What will the so called extra "specs" do for you?  How will they change how you use your phone?  If you tell me it's faster, is that .9 or 1.0 seconds destroy your ability to use your phone?  I'm really curious.  And I'm not talking about features necessarily because we know every phone has it own features.  I'm talking about capability of phone usage.  Do extra specs change the way you use your phone?
  • im all for windows phone i really am but the fact is microsoft doesnt seem to care half as much as everyone who buys thier product does. and my 900 is on its way to nokia atm because of black screens and speaker problems so you cant say they are perfect nothing is but atleast samsung cares enough about thier product to actually support it and push it to developers and carriers. I like Nokia and microsoft but i also like Samsung and right this moment its very clear that Samsung and Google care more about thier product then Microsoft. and to think that Nokia can carry WP8 all by itself well come on be serious. All that being said if nokia releases another windows phone better then the 920 i will get that for sure and if this mysterious Microsoft windows 8 phone ever shows up i'll get that too but as it sits right now Galaxy S4 seems to be top dog.
  • im not just bashing microsoft. 8 cores in a cell phone is pretty friging gimmicky what purpose could 8 tiny lil baby cores do for a cell phone that 2 couldnt.
  • Stop blaiming MS. You really have an obsesion against MS. They can't advertise more on windows phone. It's not like you buy a WP cd with license and install it on any phone. Thay can only make OS and make it usable for users and easy to incorporate by OEMs. Im sure they do everything to advertise its capabilities to OEM but in public they cant advertise as they don't sell it to end user so advertising to end users is useless and actually stepping on the OEM toes. And belive me MS cares and tries to make this a better ecosystem for users and developers. It's not MS fault OEM have to keep spec race in order to sell. A windows phone does not need new bigger processors to not lag. A 2 month old android device needs because of how messy it gets when you keep installing apps. Apple and MS don't need huge CPUs for their phones to work good. And google honestly cares nothing for android. They only want you to use their product and grab your data for their bussiness.
  • ugh i just wrote you a huge response but it wouldnt post then copy and paste wouldnt work so screw it im just gonna say your wrong go home i like ms and windows phone i dont like android but i do like samsung (they make the best tvs) but what im saying is microsoft doesnt seem to support windows phone the way nokia supports it. Samsung backs it products on android because they sell. even apple treats its tech like its gods gift. but microsoft is just "like yeah we made a phone you should buy it but if you dont thats fine".
  • when was the last time anyone went to a phone store like best buy or future shop and the phone rep was like you should buy this latest windows phone.. probably next to never. when I bought my 900 from future shop the guy working never seen one turned on before.
  • You are right. And it's not MS fault. Is OEMs fault, carriers fault, shopping fault. They look at charts. See the iphone is best seller and see that samnsung is best seller so they concentrate their marketing efforts there. If an OEM will make better deals with shops and carriers you would see more advertisesment for wp phones. It's manufactureres, shop and people fault. Remember the videos right after iphone 5 launch when users on the streets were given iphone 4 devices and were all asked what they can say about the new iphone 5. And people were saying how better is because it's taller and how better it works never realizeing they are playing with a simple iphone 4. Those dumb people are buying what is advertised to them. And advertising is done by carriers and OEMs who sells phone not by MS who is making an os not for end users but for OEMs
  • Again MS does not sells phones. What do you want MS to do???? Nokia sells phones and they do their support and stuff. HTC makes WP phones and they are somehow trying. MS has some campaigns on WP (the challenge campaign with free phone giveaway). Google is not advertising their android involvemnt. And it's in the same positions as MS. Samsung sells phones so yes they advertise their phones. Blame the OEMs if you want. But better blame the consumer users. Think of instagram and users. Chicken and the egg issue. Instagram does not want to make an app because of the lack os wp users. Users don't buy wp phones because of lack of instagram. Is instagram at fault??? Of course not they are a company and look at charts. Are users at fault? Yes definetly. Do you think an instagram app can't be made by 3rd party developers? Sure it can be made. Would you pay for it? No. So you won't have it. So please everyone stop bashing MS when it's not the case
  • ChMar, nowhere in my comment did I state that Microsoft is to blame for any WP phone's specs. I simply stated that the GS4 is making the phones in our beloved platform look miniscule or inferior. Next time, read one's comment thoroughly before you blatantly accuse them.
  • Still won't perform anywhere near as well as the Lumia 920.
  • They care as long as the product is a Galaxy, at least...
  • GREAT POINT on the mircosoft not caring. i thought i was the only one who felt that way i have had a wp phone since the htc hd7 came out and i love the wp platform and the nokia lumia 920 is the best phone i have ever had BUT with what i feel is lack of support from MS who owns skype but cant get wp a good solid skype app and also they  cant get us what they promised like pandora available in januuary 2013  BULLCRAP! the way i felt was they hyped and promised so much with the windows phone 8 and once they released it theys topped caring. nokia cares 100 times more than microsoft so unfortunatly i have had enough and now i am a proud owner of htc one x on att- the gs4 to me is so unsexy i think the sony xperia z shits on it!  and the conseption that android phones need to be rebooted and lag all the time is all non sense i have had the htc one x for a month and it has been as reliable as my 920
  • Dude, did you ever had a GS3? or an HTC One X/S device?,  those 2 phones are solid phones in hardware and software, I gave WP7/8 a chance (WP8 twice) and came back to my GS3, I have never had to reboot my GS3 other than to install a theme or a side loaded app.  JB on the ONE X and the GS3 is smooth as butter whit no lag what so ever.  I had the 920 at launch but the camera issue and lack of app selection got me going to a HTC One X, then the update for the camera came and I switch again to the 920 only to go back to a GS3 (app selection been the deal breaker here).  WP8 is smooth and a great OS but the app selection is just not there and I can have the same smoothnes and flow on my GS3 with no lag and all the apps and customizations avaliable on earth.  so in short... stop been a fanboy.
  • I actualy have a galaxy s 3. And it lags. And battery life is inconssitent. If I download some apps and don't delete them I'm spammed nad the battery life is drain. It's lagging after factory reset it's lagging in dialer and I had to reset it numerous times. I'm not a fanboy at all. I just say android as a platform is just like windows xp a malware heaven if you keep installing apps. I have a life and don't have time to customize my phone not even once in a month. And about the app selection give me a break. Apps for smartphones are meant to solve problems and user needs. I doubt you can't find an app on windows phone do do that for you. Just because the app you used on android is not present in the ms ecosystem does not mean you can't find a similar one.
  • Says the android fanboy. But to answer your question, yes I did have a Galaxy S3 and still have it as backup. For almost anything in the world, one's mileage may vary. While your Galaxy S3 had the smooth butter-esque experience Jellybean had to offer, I had lags and quite a number of application crashes, due to the fact that the GS3 still had ICS at launch day. Even after the Jellybean update, I had to initiate root on the device to delete the carrier bloatware. Even with all the improvements, the phone STILL lags in performance, albeit less commonly now. The only reason why app selection for WP is a problem is because developers turn a blind eye to the platform. Almost every time, Microsoft has to urge app developers with cash in order for them to develop for WP and most of the time, the applications they release for WP is utter crap. Also, International Galaxy S3 models have a quad-core Exynos processor while us stateside citizens of the US have a downsized dual-core processor. If I were a fanboy of WP, I would be idolizing Microsoft and Nokia, which is quite the opposite of what I'm doing right now. Plus, while android does have its quirks, it is a great platform which offers extensive customization (even more so with root privileges), various OEM's and models to choose from, and quite an extensive app marketplace.
  • Sorry dude but I have a note 2 with jb and it lags, constant rebooting, malware even in my damn # I had to hack the shit out of it now less lag less rebooting still malware heaven but controlled, and it has twice the specs as sg3 and one x,(same specs as sg4). I've had my Lumia 920 since launch never rebooted, never lags and if weren't for some key apps I would be best platform. (also have an iPhone 4s alot better sg3)
  • Yeah.. actually they all like buying Alienware M17x laptop just only for posting " Today I eat 3 bananas" in facebook,
    play some solitaire and watch youtube.
  • Again I said to some else, spec drives sale. Your a living proof.
  • This is the hardware and specs Windows Phone needs now. Where is Juggernaut Alpha?
  • And now we will have to hear from the android community that all other phones suck unless they have an eight-core processor, 2gb of ram etc. Sorry, just tired of the spec war.
  • Well, know your audience, right? It's like pick-up trucks. How many people really need to be able to tow 15,000 lbs, etc.? But it's a spec war that plays on people's insecurity (need to have those monster specs for self-validation), and the marketing people have this dialed in with razor focus. I can say your car sucks because it's not a Ferrari, but that's not true. The reality of the matter is most people buy something much more practical, which meets their needs 100%, at a much lower cost. These specs are interesting if for no other reason than how far smartphones are being pushed (i.e. how much longer before these things, plus a good dock, just replace my PC at home). And while I don't discount the halo effect, at the end of the day whoever makes the best low/mid range devices is who will come out on top. The real thing Microsoft needs to worry about is buttoning up that market ASAP, before Android gets its crap together enough that it's a great experience (universally) on lower end devices too.
  • Except the majority of android users will be sporting S4. Oh and the majority of phones is android.
  • I agree.  The fact that a Windows Phone device on one of the U.S. prepaid carriers---Metro PCS, Boost, Virgin Mobile---doesn't exist, instead dominated by a plethora of Android mid-rangers and feature phones, shows that Nokia, HTC and Microsoft have dropped the ball in the North American market, as that's where most of the growth is.
  • Yeah, the 8-core 1.8Ghz proc is nuts. I have servers with less than that and most desktops don't even go there. What the hell could possibly require that? It's just a pathetic contest for dudes to measure other dudes by. Where does it stop? But hey, whatever.
  • With that 8-core 1.8Ghz processor, the battery life would probably be zapped in as little as three hours.
  • It is not really octa-core. The PROPER wat to label this is a dual quad-core. There is a quad-core for idle tasks, then a second for high-powered stuff, like 3D gaming.
  • Stuff that 90%+ of users won't need.  I have a feeling this thing will get terrible battery life, despite the big battery.  My brother's Razr Maxx with the same size battery can go two days.  I betcha this one will have a problem making it to 12 hours.
    Just seems like overkill to me.
  • I am not judging how the battery life will be, but the unused cores can be put to sleep so that they don't consume power when they are not active.
  • I get that, exactly what I'm saying - more that people don't need.  Sure it's great if you want your phone for games, but a lot of touch based games in the tradition heavy duty graphics genres (first person shooters especially) are terrible of touchscreens.  I don't think the dedicated game control model is going away any time soon.
    So what else are all these cores for?  Samsung packed in a bunch of stuff that most people just don't need - either that or their eye tracking stuff requires a load of overhead so your phone will die fast if you have that on.  It does a nice job driving up the cost and giving a reason why you can charge more for it.  I understand that they can shut down, but if they are shut down most often then what's the point in even having them?  
  • Having power when you need it, having efficiency when you need that. How well it works remains to be seen.
  • It's ARMs tech called littleBIG. Not only quite impressive but it will become the norm in 1-2 years.
  • Wait. So when they say 8 cores they're including the CPU AND GPU? That's bogus.
  • I've just picked up on that, why does the processor need 4 cores to run low speed (idle) tasks though? Why not instead shut down unneeded cores, and then use the extra space for cache. That in turn reduces the number of writes to main memory speeding things up and lowering power consumption.
    Which I guess is why Intel and AMD already do that. It seems like an example of really poor design to me.
  • if oem or people think like you, 1gb pendrive would be the max for what we got today..people said that wp only need 1 core to perform well last year,what happen the following year?
  • Windows 98 is all you really need.
  • Your understanding is way off. His point wasn't against advancement of technology, but against unnecessary resource expense. If you were an employer and paid your employees $x each, would you rather pay 2 people who could get the job done efficiently or pay 8 people who'd do the same job in the same amount of time?
  • Look at all that wasted screen space due to windows phone 8 and that stupid black area st the bottom of the 920 wp8 should cover the entire screen . There's little less than a 1/2 " missing st the top there's about 1/4 combined for both sides of the tiles.. Nokia will never be able to compete while being stuck to Microsoft. There's nothing in windows 8 that you can say out performs any os. Dont say live tiles because half the time they don't work and a tiny percentage of apps actually have them.
  • How awesomly comfortable to hold one hand and use your thumb to hit that button...not. Sorry, but having that space down there and not putting the buttons too close to the bottom where it will be uncomfortable to use is a plus in my book.
  • Really? =/
  • But look at how much more info is on the WP8 screen.
  • Troll troll! Lol
  • All Samsung are the same
  • I love WP and my Lumia 920 but S4 makes it look like an mid level smartphone.
    Let's hope 928 / upcoming 10XX devices along with WP Blue have the answers to this phone.
    Damn now with Galaxy S4, Htc One and Xperia Z in the flagship race our Lumia 920 looks dull.
    but IMO 920 is a 2012 device, honestly comparing it with S4 or any 2013 flagship would be illogical technoligically.
    Lets have better hopes from MS, Nokia & other WP OEM's in 2013.
  • What are you talking about? they put on 8 core processor make L920 middle level? The only thing Samsung is good at is pile up spec sheet. I rather have BMW without auto door than a Chevy with it.
  • The GS4 a Chevy? Come on now.
  • Honestly I feel like what windows really needs is very powerful processors with very powerful gpus. Honestly the only reason I found this processor better than any of other processor is because of the a7s energy efficiency. But if arm is as efficient as it is claimed to be, wouldn't they be able to make a powerful a15 like processor with a7 efficiency?
  • Worse than Chevy in that comparison, I am honest.
  • Unless its a camaro -_-
  • I agree with you but than again that is what helps them sell millions of galaxy smartphones.
    Not everyone knows how many cores are being used when they are using apps on their phones.
    what most of the people understand is that more cores = better performance.
    I have always been a windows guy from gaming consoles to PMP's, i own 920 have used 820, 800 and HTC Mozart along with few android devices with earlier android builds.
    The way i see S4 and samsung is that they know how to market, sell and make profit with marketshare.
    Nokia and MS is working very hard and fast but WP definately needs 1080p and quad cores, it's 2013 for god sake.
    These specs do make look my 920 a middle level smartphone to be honest.
    I never like the design of any samsung galaxy though.
  • How so exactly? 8 cores only really mean anything if the OS and apps can use all the cores properly (and they can't). This is a little retarded. Almost like putting a V12 in a Civic and saying its the most innovative thing ever. Nokia still outguns the S4 because they focused on a broader range of things to innovate upon instead of slapping more horsepower in.
  • My thoughts exactly.
  • Wp8 doesn't need a 4 or 8 core processor because it doesn't do anything. It trickles along with two year old tech right now and missing features. Android has the options and needs the gpu. Just wait, while android is leading edge, Wp8 will be Apple 3-4 years ago. OS will get features, but phones won't handle them efficiently. From what I've seen so far, MS is 2 yrs from having the options and processes necessary to mandate more than dual core.
  • So your telling me that android needs more processing power than our computers? Don't be ridiculous. First of all, the s4 is probably the only s4 that's gonna come with an octacore in while. And while I would agree that the s4 has more features than the lumia 920, that can also be said about any other smartphone there is, including android. Also if you really think about it, most of these features are just gimmicks. The camera, they didnt do anything really different besides the dual record mode (as far as ois or anything like that), besides, I really dont see too many scenarios where that would be used. The gesture features, although nice, have proven to be pretty much useless for most people, or more hassle(battery) than benefit. And well like I said before, these specs are just overkill. True, Microsoft needs to step up the game even harder now, but don't count them, or Nokia out just yet
  • You look like a mid-level phone... =P
  • Daniel, the 16MB and 2MB cameras should read Megapixels ;)
  • Fixed. Was a long, long day ;)
  • Nokia, you should be ashamed of your presentations after this one. Other than that, it's great to see that Nokia put out some great features that are getting adopted by other smartphones now. Overall, S4 has some really gimmicky features that nobody will use after one time, but also has some great features that are already present in L920.
  • This presentation is awful, i am terrified that people think this was a good idea
  • They need every phone on every carrier...
  • +1
  • Really?? =/
  • I agree, it's all gimmick...but you can't deny the hardware. WP8 needs full HD screens, quad-core processors, huge batteries, etc. All that touching & pausing gesture crap doesn't reel me in, but I can't speak for everyone in the world, and unfortunately, this is the stuff that people eat up...the stuff that WP needs to adopt, so they can be taken as a more serious competitor when it comes to developers choosing platform settling.
  • Im sure ones 928 is out Samsung will be sucking it yet again must you wait android bitches ! XD
  • If only the Ativ S had come out, I am going to have to pick this up over the Lumia 920, and just keep my Focus S as a backup...
    Really do not want to jump ship on Windows... But The lumia looks childish, no expandable memory, no removable battery... 
  • Philistine! Clearly you have no head for design and couture... U_U
  • I hope you are being sarcastic. Like I am going to pull out a neon yellow phone in the middle of a business meeting and expect people to take me seriously....
  • Ha you are really picking at straws arent you. Just because YOU dont do something doesnt mean EVERYONE of us does the same. WTF is this? a fucking dictatorship? each to their own. And one more thing, i Have a yellow 920 and i DO pull it out in meetings :)
  • Wow, you are really grasping at straws aren't you... Never did I say anything generalizing at all, I was speaking of my business, and my career. I do not care about yours, theirs, or anyone else's. But please, troll on, and butt out.
  • His childhood must have been such a nightmare that he even despise a crayon box. I feel sorry for you
  • Wow, are you honestly attacking someone personally because of their preference in phone design... How petty, pathetic, and stupid.
    You must be a very small minded person to feel so much fanboyism, that you need to attack another person for their taste in phones... 
    Grow up little one. 
  • My god. The amount of ignorance and hypocrisy in what you just said is too much for me to comprehend.
    I'm going to go cry for humanity now. P.S: Drop the damn act, and grow up. Calling someone "little one" does not make you more intelligent, nor does it make you more mature.
  • Grow up.  Self entitled nitwit. It is funny that you think your opinion in this matters, when you are nothing but a nobody. Seriously though, a 17yr old kid from Aussie land, thinking his opinion carries weight. There is no hypocrisy in what I posted, how stupid is it to insult someone due to their opinion of a phone. If I was insulting at all, it was because I was insulted by this person. No hypocrisy there...
    Anyways, run along nobody, your troll bus will be here shortly. 
  • Speak for yourself buddy.
    There it is again, your trademark hypocrisy, that you are clearly oblivious of.
    Regardless of your reason for said insults, that was STILL hypocrisy and a contradiction to your own statement, that of which you have clearly edited to cover-up your mistakes.
    Also, I have no idea what makes you think I'm "self-entitled" - or a nobody for that matter. But to be fair, your opinions have far less merit than a 17 year old kid like me; your statements are full of ignorance and hypocrisy, far beyond your own sights. Also, a question, are you a right-wing extremist? Because you seem to LOVE talking down to just about everyone who seems to be inferior to you, or maybe perhaps you're narcissistic?
  • /face palm
    Kid it is past your bed time. Stop making assumptions, get over yourself, and go to sleep before you mother and father realize you are still awake and you get a spanking.
    Again, please refresh your knowledge on the work hypocrisy, as you obviously do not know the definition of the word you are using. I stated that he was pathetic and stupid for insulting someone over their preferences in phones.
  • If I insult him, or you for insulting me, that is completely unrelated, as those are personal attacks. If you are too ignorant and small minded to understand that, refrain from using the internet, as you are making yourself look like an idiot.
    I would also like to point out to you how you are talking to people online, as you must then also be a Right wing extremist... 
    Btw, your parents brainwashing is cute, as you have no political bearing either...
    Children these days.... I swear.. 
  • I have no idea how talking to people online would make me a right-wing extremist - heck, do you even know what the term is defined by?
    My parents' brainwashing? Please. Refrain yourself from making personal attacks if you have no knowledge of me personally.
    Also, it's the afternoon here.
    Even if I was making myself look like an idiot, you're making yourself look like a bigger one.
  • Seriously, it must be selective ignorance.
    You called me a right winged extremist for "talking down" to people, yet you are doing the same, which would indicate you are what you are calling me.
    Second, you tell me to refrain from making "personal" attacks, when you initiated this with personal attacks.
    This is popcorn worthy! 
  • My initial words were more constructive than personal, I apologise if it seemed otherwise, but I have a tendency to be frank with my wording.
    You also seem to have confused right-winged extremist with simply talking down to someone.
    A right-winged extremist is one who believes he/she is inherently superior to others dissimilar to themselves - that there is some kind of human hierarchy. Whilst talking down may not always be because one thinks they are superior, it could be because he thinks the other person is being ridiculous, which is the case here.
  • If I insult him, or you for insulting me, that is completely unrelated, as those are personal attacks. If you are too ignorant and small minded to understand that, refrain from using the internet, as you are making yourself look like an idiot.
  • Just
  • Hasn't even been six months
  • I'm not impressed. Samsung is beginning to look like apple.
  • I wanted that two way shooting on Windows Phone for the longest. I've written them about it. I called it "Tour Guide" since you could be talking into the FF camera (Picture In Picture) while the larger image is what you are seeing from the main camera.  No one listened and now Samsung has it.  It could be a really cool feature.
  • I'll make you such an app :) How much are you willing to pay for it?
  • Ha ha...I couldn't afford to make it worth your time, but I think I'd pay a "premium" app rate ($5?) for video apps at this point.  I'm not sure if it's even possible. I don't know if WP8 can record multiple video streams.  It needs both cores just to do HD now. Before that, I'd REALLY like to have a video cam replacement app with manual focus and whatever other controls the OS will allow.  
  • Paying premium will make it :). Just give me your email and I'll let you know when I'll push the app in beta so you can play with it.
  • Can somebody tell me what they going to do with all those cores.... I just don't get it.
  • More cores = better sales.
  • A core sandwich?
  • 4 cores are reserved for cpu intensive applications, that will auto shut off when those processes are not running, while the less power consuming porcesses run off of 4 different cores. It is for extended battery life.
  • At least that makes a little sense....cuz the spec war has gotten out of hand. If it improves performance in a logical way then so be it.
  • I believe it's the BIG.little architecture, look it up it's very impressive technology that will do a lot for battery life
  • Yeah but is gonna be more expensive and there not need for more cores 'cause most of the people is gonna use it for basic stuff and nothing more.
  • It may be expensive for Samsung but I have a feeling this will come out at $199 with carrier subsidies. Samsung can afford to take the hit for the first year or two until adoption takes off.
  • Have to agree with the points Dan raises here.
    Personally I am impressed with the device, it has great specs and the so far I am even impressed with the software side of things. Overall looks pretty slick. I can see that Samsung have put of a lot of effort into this, not just from the main stand out things, like the hardware, but also from a lot of little things that overall contribute to what looks like will be a great user experience.
    I do think that MS and Nokia need to worry! If I can put of positive spin on this, it's that I hope MS and Nokia pay close attention (and I am sure they are) to what Samsung are doing and get motivated to counter with awesome devices and OS. MS especially will need to work hard and fast if they want to stay relevant, but I do believe that both MS and Nokia working together can and WILL do it.
    If the GS IV succeeds and I'm sure it will, then it's because Samsung then all I will say is 'good on em'.
  • I guess because WP is SO expensive for these OEMs they couldn't possibly take initiative to throw all these luxuries on a Windows Phone...right? Right? =/
  • If I remember correctly, the WP OS cost OEMs $9 per phone verse $4 (or $5) for Android + MS fee. So if their going to pay MS anyway, why not do it at a profit with the latest and greatest? This is in contrast to Nokia who does still pay the license but is getting more back for using WP.
  • The problem with Android phones is Android.  Android took a page from Linux and decided they needed to show every option to the user.  Go to the WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC, etc... setting of any Android phone and all you see is a sea of options that have little meaning to 99% of the user base.  Android even makes Windows 7 desktop look simple to use.  Android software like Android hardware is about stuffing every feature into it without taking a step back like Apple or Nokia and trying to look at things from a wider point of view.
  • Honestly as a lot of people have stated already, this phone is extremely attractive given it's specs and Android's newly emerging stability...honestly as much crap as we WP loyal talk about Android, it HAS improved greatly over time and is reaching a point where I may be able to tolerate it. I love WP loads but if Microsoft doesn't shift into high gear and pump out some updates to catch us up FAST, and if Nokia or another OEM can't get us a phone with similarly high specs then (and believe me this is painful to admit) I may have to jump ship.
  • Yeah, except they're only loading android enough to take what they've made to their OWN OS and dominate everyone...THEY MUST BE STOPPED! @_@
  • This is what I think...Once Tizen is released, I give it a year or two before Samsung totally ditches Android.  They are just building a fan base right now with the Galaxy that when Tizen actually does come, people will still buy their products. 
  • We gotta roll with the punches. Anyway the Lumia 920 is the S3 rival. Not the s4 rival. The next flagship will show this phone up. I hope....
  • Guys, I have a great windows phone but let's keep it real. The S4 is one of the sickest devices ever released. We are bound by the OS and development. Microsoft needs to step up.
  • What Microsoft needs to do, is give majority of WP development to Nokia. What Microsoft is doing is pathetic with all these smartphones around. This is getting ridiculous. We've all seen that some features like Eraser and senstive screen that are present on S4 were first unveiled on Lumia 920. If Nokia didn't join WP, Microsoft would be stuck with features from 2010.
    Microsoft, step up!
  • They don't need to work with Nokia more, if anything they need to work with Samsung and HTC. What MS really needs is for Sammy to not only launch the GS4 but launch the ATIV S2 at the same time at the same event. They need the HTC Eight to be side by side with the HTC One and so on.
  • It's pretty clear that Samsung doesn't give a crap about WP. HTC is still lacking in innovation department when it comes to WP. It seems like HTC recycles some of their old features from Android and puts onto WP. Right now, Nokia is the only one who develops innovative stuff for WP. And only Nokia is all in with WP, just another motivation to develop new features.
  • Remember, Nokia is getting paid to be all in with WP whereas HTC and Samsung are only doing it to diversify their portfolios. Both also double pay MS for the WP OS license and Android royalty fees. Would you throw more money to WP with those circumstance PLUS the off chance MS may release a Surface phone?
  • wrong. during the life of the agreement nokia will end up paying more to microsoft. 500 million more. plus all the work they do on the os. shut the f up.all you do is repeat and repeat nokia gets and htc had their chance for 2 years and they didn't do anything with wp.
  • Are you crazy?. Samsung doesnt want to work with MS. they want adriods.. Gget lost man.
  • They don't even really want Android... #Tizen =/
  • They won't want Android either soon so it's a moot point.
  • Right because Nokia did so well with OS development.  It appears no one understands software development.  You have to have a solid base before you start adding features.  I also don't think most people realize how much software had to be written to move WP to the NT kernel.  It wasn't just port the NT kernel and move WP7 to it.  It was basically port the NT kernel and then use Windows 7/8 as a basis for a phone.
    Supporting things like 1080P, multicore, etc... are simple.   They even said the kernel supports 64 cores.  The things MS needs to worry about is having Windows RT apps working on WP and vise versa.  Getting timely updates out.  My W8 desktop and ASUS Windows RT tablet get updates/enhancements all the time.  Why does my phone only get enhancements every few months and only when the carriers allow it.  Why isn't Skpe integrated yet. 
    I guarantee you'll see quad core, 1080P WP devices later this year.  That's the simple thing.
  • Newest, notbsickest. The design is redundant, when compared to the S III. The single-button route sucks. Internals improve all the time, so bragging that this thing is stronger isblike bragging that a Surface Pro is stronger than the first iPad. Tech gets better over time, so I care not that this thing isbmuch stronger, becayse it is EXPECTED to be. The software stuff is nifty, but I don't really care about it. Just like wireless charging, I like it, but if it was nit free in the 920, I would skip it. I am not impressed with this device, nor would I pick it over my 920.
  • Say whatever but i think Z10 and unborn Q10 is dead now :D
  • +1 I forgot the Z10 was available.
  • I doubt that. They target very different market segments, tastes, and their approach to Enterprise pails in comparison to BBRY. Z10/Q10 have a clear focus on communication, multitasking, and ease of use. S4 has some nice new features (I like the look of Air Touch and Group Play) but mostly features that are impractical and rarely used. Samsung Knox? Great if you have an Enterprise made entirely of Samsung devices. BES 10 can manage every OS, every device.
  • I'm curious, though, will this be enough to have the typical S3 owner upgrade? Not a geek or enthustist, but Joe and Jane Average?
  • In the US, specifically bc the exynos 5 is not present.  -But then again, the extra software feats might be able to swing the typical S3 owner.  -The S4 will sell like hotcakes though due to a large fan base already.  However if Samsung keeps pushing the same product designs ... they will fall victim just like Apple did. 
  • 8 cores? and android!!! I'm sure after a couple of app/game instalations the phone will start lagging just like any android device
    the specs of the lumia 920 run all apps fine and without lag
  • Why the hell do you need 8 core CPU and 3 core GPU on a phone ??? I like having a phone with higher specs but this is an overkill.
    That much cores paired up with android is gonna make you wish for even bigger battery.
  • Read about the Exynos 5 before you make assumptions. Samsung's dumb to market this as octa-core, because it doesn't run on 8 cores. It is a pair of quad cores that work together to handle varying tasks. There is a quad to handle gaming and another to handle low-power tasks. It's the solution to adding power to the phone when needed without making it a constant battery hog. The 920 would be GREAT with such a feature, because the battery life of it is pretty mediocre, though I love the phone.
  • Tbh it may have all the cores 2gb ram 13 pix cam 2600 battery but still looks ugly as fuck could at least fix the look the lumia series are stunning and im sure soon when there new range is out IT WILL KNOCK SAMDUNG DEAD !
  • The presentation shows how much effort they put in S4, the whole device revolves around Speech Recognition which is incredibly difficult area to master and they have done it. It is a slick device.
    But I am still fan of Lumia 920...
  • This is one ugly phone with even uglier OS. I can't believe someone even excited about kind of shit. All the author is talking about is specs: 2G RAM, 8 core..., I am just wondering how much engineering it takes to put in 2G RAM than 1G RAM? If Burger King said they can make 2 lb Burger while McDonald can't, I can't argue with that.
    I say Lumia is destroying Samsung. Look at their ugly shit, which can even put side by side with Lumias?
  • 928 will crush s4
  • Really? How? Maybe the next true Lumia flagship release will compete, but not the 928, at least on a hardware level.
  • The 928 is just a 920 refresh for Verizon
  • Such powerful hardware sullied by such butt-ugly software. Touchwiz needs a makeover.
  • I agree that Touchwiz has been awful ever since it debuted on Windows Mobile, but once XDA gets a vanilla optimized rom on this thing, it's going to fly.
  • Oh those buggy custom roms. It's gonna fly for a week or so, then the slow down.
  • I think the whole industry will see another transition, now GS4 will be the standard and others will compare their products against GS4 instead of iPhone.
  • Im not worried its as arse ugly and most likely easy to break as the last one the new 928 is not far away and its going to be a blood barth watch your back SAMDUNG ! lol
  • I would never buy a Samsung product after that presentation, what a piece of ignorat sh%t really. I am blown away how completely insane Samsung is acting up on stage. Poor, horrible, embarrasing, tragicomic and ridiculous.... I really dont know what to say. I'm confident and happy with Nokia because they don't treat like im some complete idiot.
  • But lets not pretend that Nokia knows presentations. Their Lumia 920 presentation was horrible. Their female speaker puts people to sleep and the other guy doesn't even know what he is talking about. This was slightly entertaining to watch and they actually showed how people would use certain features. I still love my Lumia 920, but Nokia needs a lesson in presentations. So far, only Ahtisaari knows how to present properly at Nokia. Watch his N9 presentation, great speaker.
  • Agreed. I saw Ahtisaari video on Lumia 620 and rewound the video a couple of times more. He's something else.
  • That is actually how plays are like. LOL It really needed a story and some emotional bits though or the broadway style just looks terrible.
  • We shouldn't be worried because we already know were not much of a threat to uncle Sam, and that were already stable as an enterprise/business niche. ICrap on the other hand...
  • my gf has a s3 & is very happy with it but when she sees this I'm betting on a upgrade, thats loyalty & familiarity. I'm sticking with nokia
  • At this point, my next phone is going to be a One or a GS4 and I'll keep my Titan II as a back up. MS is really going to have to lift restrictions on hardware since WP8 can scale and lower the WP license fees so that Samsung & HTC can put more money into R&D to get compelling hardware like the GS4 and One to market faster. The HTC One is THE phone I've been pining for to come with WP and now I can only hope that the ATIV S 2 gets specs like this as well.
  • Closed systems like WP and IOS can never compete with an open platform, like Android and the old windows OS.  Too bad MS wanted to copy Apple and gave up the openness of windows mobile.  Time to Open both windows 8 and windows phone 8 up.
  • I see what you're saying, but remember that iOS and WP being closed is to prevent the altering of system level processes and provide more security for their devices. Android is an open OS and frankly, easier to adopt because OEM's can change the look to give their devices distinction against competitors and the openness of the platform allows plenty of development (iOS is an exception, since most application development occurs in that platform, despite it being a closed OS.), but it can also invite malware and such due to the vulnerability provided by Android's commitment to remain open to everyone. Open and closed operating systems have their downsides, it's the consumer's decision on which one they should use and side on.
  • While I was scrolling down home page of wpcentral, I saw the main pic of this article and thought "Another comparison of Lumia 920 and S3 oh its S4".... So design wise Samsung cannot come up with something unique
  • Windows Phone is always the same thing: Respectable (but not top notch) specs at the time of launch, then the next ones are always targeting the mid-range, losing half RAM here, half storage there, alongside with lower resolutions displays and cameras, and that's it over the time. It was there with WP7 and it seems to be the same (failed) recipe with WP8.
  • That's because that has been Nokia's modus operandi even back during the Symbian days; they'd release a higher end device, say, a Nokia N8, then after that, a series of lower spec versions of the same phone.
    That strategy is fine for developing markets like China and India, but in places like North America and Europe where carrier subsidies exist, most customers tend to go for the top spec devices.
  • No way would i choose Samsung over Nokia are by far the best to me soon as there new phones are announced ill simply be saying told you so XD
  • What a horrible sentence
  • Movie is awesome
  • I've got that feeling in my stomach that's telling me I should have gone android.
  •   iPhone 5:  123.8 mm, 58.6 mm, 7.6 mm, 112 grams S4:  136.6 mm, 69.8 mm, 7.9 mm, 130 grams   I don't understand why no company dares to create a premium phone thinner or lighter than the iphone.  I guess they think we all want large phones >_<.
  • The success of the GS3, Note and One X suggest that a lot of people actually do prefer large phones.
  • Just because people buy the larger phones (and for phones you mentioned, sales are lower than sales of iphone) doesnt mean  every single company should make large phones.  They have totally given up on that segment of the market.
  • Of course not every company should make large phones, but they do sell well. Also, companies haven't given up on smaller phones BUT smaller phones don't come with that "wow" factor that consumers fawn over when seeing one up front in the store.
  • :/  How thin and light a phone, laptop, or tablet is not only one of the things that creates the largest wow factor, but it is how consumers measure the age of a device.  When consumers see thick products they think older, thinner and lighter is newer.  Why in the world would a larger screen create a wow factor?
  • That is because 7.6mm and 112 grams is tiny. It is like saying I don't get why no one is more anorexic than Sarah. Because we don't want anyone to be anorexic..........
    I don't know about WP8 oems, but Android manufacturers do not do this because anything less than 1080p and Quadcore and 2100 mah battery gets labelled as a mid range phone. Only way you get a high end smaller phone is if the 1080p monsters did not exist.
    Technically, there are a lot of high end smaller Android phones like the Xiaomi Phone 2, Meizu MX Quad, Acer Cloudmobile, and the Xperia V etc. But they get written off right away so manufacturers do not bother. The iphone 5 is a dual core, 1 gb of ram, 1450 mah, with a less than 720p screen. No way that would fly outside of Apple land. Even Windows Phone 8 you should be at least 720p now.
    If someone released the iphone 5 on Android it would be dead on arrival. The HTC One S has Galaxy S3 internals with Anodized aluminum and a slightly lower resolution screen and that died instantly, for example.
  • I prefer bigger phones the tiny iphone is murder to type on !
  • Apple was confused with the term "the bigger, the better" when they made the iPhone 5, because the screen was only taller compared to the iPhone 4 & 4S. It never grew wider in size.
  • lumia still has a better design!
  • Nokia is king of Design. Followed by htC.. esp their Android designs are very good.
    I am looking forward to 978 and EOS just to see how nokia is deisnging them. I myself am enjoying the 710 and it design. my dad is rocking the 900. sis and brother in law will be rocking 620 soon.
  • If I were to go Android I would get the HTC one over the s4.
  • Me too.
  • This is one of the reason Samsung delayed and didn't even care of their WP..the launch of SGIV..
  • Give Nokia a chance people there not out yet !
  • Nokia beat the s3 with 920 and they will continue with the 928 if that's to be the next lumia
  • Android is still android windows phone has the look they will never ha
  • Tell that to the many android developers who design their apps with the metro\modern UI language...
  • Have
  • Just went to GSMArena to check out the specs sheet and once again Samsung has failed to have ONE model for all markets.  They are going to do the same as they did with the S2 and S3 and that is Exynos for everyone except for the North American market.  The excuse they used for doing that for the previous models was because they couldn't get LTE radios onto the Exynos chipset and we are in the fourth generation of this phone and they still couldn't get it right.
  • If they can't being the Exynos to the US that's definitely going to cut a few sells. They can't be this deep in and still not make it work.
  • I am happy with my Lumia 920... Don't really give a shit about what what HTC and Samsung is doing. Yeah the phones are great and so will HTC and Nokia future phones. I'm not due for an upgrade til September of 2014. Until that time I am going to enjoy my NL920.. Just like those who bought high end Android phones in 2012.
  • +10
    I am enjoying my 710 and i bought my dad a 900 with 7.8 and will get my sis and brother in law lumia 620s and everyone is and will be happy. I dont see anything intresting. I would like to just see new phones from nokia since they give unique and different designs. You see so many designed and all samsung could do is make S4 loook like the same crappy S3 with software gimick and some temp and humidity sensors. Crap.. I wait for nokia to release to see the next appealing design. samsung is dull and boring. htC provides good andriod designs but nobody buys it..  
  • BUT just curious why didnt you go 920 and the rest of your ppl go 820? 
  • Frankly i dont like spending more than 250 dollars for an unlocked phones and i used it for a year or two max and then move on.. I think i will get 920 , 820 end of this year or next and it should be around 250 dollars.. who knows. anyway all of us are enjoying it.. so thats fine.
    Now all i need is 710 to get 7.8 and i am all set for a year.
  • Nokia is the dogs bollocks no matter what !
  • What is wrong with people!
    Lumia 920 runs WP8 - wins over awful OS on S4
    Lumia 920 looks great  - wins over dull looking S4
    Who the F cares if S4 has 2GB memory and a higher res camera?? (lets see if the camera is actually better on the S4 - I doubt it).
    920 does everything you could want a smartphone to do and more.  For those who have one - wait till the contract runs out by which time it will about the right time to get the very latest generation phone.
    Chasing the latest tech and regretting what you just bought is a mugs game.
  • S4 has a bigger screen and better resolution... Higher ram and new sensors like infrared, temperature and humidity... WP cannot even catch up with s4 specs with limitations... Now I know what open sourced means... It is a good replacement for my Lumia 900 which was marked outdated by MS in just two months of purchase... It is the anger and frustration with Microsoft that is making me to switch
  • Enjoy your infrared and humidity censors.
    BTW other than these sensory, all the others are software gimmicks, why cant samsung send the sofware updates to SGS 3?.. and you dont complain about it.
  • You seemed to have completely dodged to part about screen size, resolution, oh and throw in PPI for good measure.  Plus thinner, and muuuuch lighter....
  • Nokia phones had infrared and temperature sensors in the 90's ...
  • Where is my DRM for xbox video MicroShaft!  I mean WTF!  I am going to get the HTC One and keeps my 920 just in case.
  • As expected, an impressive phone but as with every Samsung, it will require a sturdy case. The dealbrdaker is that it will come with CarrierIQ and TouchWiz.
  • Non-techies have forgotten about CarrierIQ already and techies will just root and flash a vanilla rom. Neither of those issues will stop sells.
  • Whenever a non-techie asks my opinion about mobile phone, I give them pros and cons for all platforms but I always list CarrierIQ as the biggest negative to Android.
  • Galaxy S3 became the ATIV S! Galaxy S4 became ATIV S2!
  • We can only hope.
  • Exactly what I was thinking!
  • i dont understand what you guys want from Samsugn. they dont care about wP and their offering as so unimpressive. if you like them so much, get a S4 and be satisfied. We have nokia releasing a ton of phones with very uniquely designed phones and you cannot appreciate it. you guys just want the andriod phones without andriod in it and the one who doesnt care about the OS. enjoy waiting for crappy phones.
  • Looks just like S3.
  • Exactly. I am bored of Samsung phones. Cant they recruit a decent designer which can design new phones?
  • why do you have the 920's screen at such a low level of brightness...   it looks totally washed out compared to the Galaxy 4...   Way to make the 920 look bad...  
  • Samsung treats cell phones as a core business, Microsoft treats them as a hobby. Nokia is a fantastic phone manufacturer using an out dated os. If anyone doubts the above compare updates, apps, events, and advertising between Microsoft, Samsung and Nokia and it becomes apparent that two of the businesses are invested in mobile and one isn't.
  • Microsoft made an outstanding os and it's not for them to advertise it. It's not like you can buy an WP8 license and a install cd and install the os on any phone. So it's up to OEM to do the advertising. So MS can't advertise to people something that OEMs decide or not to bring to their phones. MS OS is the biggest investment on an OS for mobile phones. Live tiles push the boundaries not because they are cool but because of what that means. You get rid of the android background services for syncing (sucks battery keeps using data and hog down your phone especially when a new internet connection is discovered) and you move to real and I mean real push notifications. MS made a great job for developers to create new good performing apps. It's not their fault that people are lazy and unprofessional and just want the quick and dirty ways of the android.
  • Its just nasty, can't really compare.
  • And fyi I love my 920, but we all know for all their faults Android flagships and iPhone 5 out feature wp8 2 to 1.
  • I've been reading some rumors about the Nokia eos and I think Qualcomm is holding there snapdragon 800 for windows, ain't it wierd that no OEM has it being there most powerful it holds up to 55 megapixel's. My guess is that Microsoft already took of there gloves for wp9.
  • I love not being a fanboy anymore. After suckling incoherently on Apple's test for 5 years I finally woke up and left them for my 920. And while I like it a lot, I am nothing but stoked to see Samsung making some awesome phones. Can't wait to see what their Tizen OS is like, and can't wait to see what Apple pulls out for iPhone 5S and iPhone 6. And yeah, excited to see how Msoft reacts and hope they can make WP truly relevant... So many great options.
  • Im happy to wait for the next Nokia my 920 kicks arse ill just be glad when there next flagship comes in to take the thrown yet again done it ones they will do it again!
  • Had a Samsung galaxy nexus as my in between phone ... Wp7(omnia7)-android(SGN)- WP8(lumia 920). Although it was a nice phone, android is garbage. If you wanted to do anything then you had to get an app, with wp7/8 most if the day to day stuff is intregrated. Widgets hammer the hell out of your battery and the apps are so different from each other that I never knew where options where. Apps also had a nasty habit of downloading adverts to your phone too, either in the notification bar or your home screen.
    I'm not blind to WP limitations and the things that bug the hell out of me but on the whole I prefer it... Alot more. With googles recent fun and games towards wp im very close to deleting my google accounts.
    Oh and what the hell is gonna use 8 core cpu... Make project butter even more buttery? Over kill on a device will only ever get apps that use 2.
    /end rant
  • Man I hate android but the darn S4 has some super killer features. Windows phone better jump up not step up. Big leap!
  • which ones are you talking about?.
  • I don't use android or care for it.
  • They will rocket ahead soon enough Nokia number one!
  • The 8 cores are 2 4cores processor, a Cortex A7 and a 15, that changes be
    tween each depending on usage. Try to repeat the specs and feastures loud and it's not such a leap forward.
  • The problem i have is that is not gonna be any support at all in fact the S3 owners they are not going to get any updates or something more now that S4 is out ther and buying a phone each year is not posible for a lot of people right now 'cause the contracts of 2 years with the carriers , My 7.8 phone is getting updates new apps and good support thanks to Nokia , Samsung is not that good when it comes to quality compared with Nokia .... and Samsung copy nokia 920 super sentive screen and the wireless charging i have to say that s4 did not bring anything that good.........
  • 8 core processor, 2 GB RAM..individually they look great and people will buy it. But when combined together will it not limit the processor efficiency....
  • So this means that the note 3 will have octo core with lte and the s5 next year will have this years specs.
  • Far as design goes Samsung used little to no imagination to the next flagship and with all that power that 2600 battery wont last a day!
  • ...or even 8 hours for the matter. With that 1.8Ghz processor, you'd expect a battery with more capacity.
  • This just made me think... Samsung could make this phone into an Ativ S 2 and we are all winners...
  • Yeah, but since big Sammy didn't sell the ATIV S in US shores, I'd expect the same thing to happen with an ATIV S2.
  • Im shocked by the disloyalty of some of the wp community, saying that they would jump ship for a slightly upgraded s3 that looks the same, lets face it android has improved slowly but its nowhere near as slick as wp, its just a much worse experience, we haven't even seen what nokia will counter this with yet either, lets eat popcorn and watch :)
  • +1000
  • Since the only viable Windows phone 8 right now is the Lumia 920, it should not be hard to understand people jumping ship. The Lumia is ok, but a beast of a brick in the hand and pocket, and Microsoft has hindered the resolution, so the screen is out as well. Shoot even the HTC One X has a better screen... All in all I do not see Windows Phones making a stand for awhile... With the infrequency of updates, the lack of solid choices, it is getting dismal.
  • Why whats wrong with the resolution of the L920? Can't see clearly with it?
  • Nothing is wrong with it, but as long as Microsoft hinders the device hardware through limiting what companies can put in the devices, it will stay an almost niche OS. 
  • Most of all, it's still Android...
    Specs doesn't matter so much to me, I want a smooth UI without lag and irritation and WP on my yellow Lumia is giving that to me.
    Why should I need higher resolution on my screen?? It's better than my 21" pc screen... Don't see them pixels anyway...
    And photo beamer, smart shot, rest of the Nokia apps, office...
    All running smooth as silk and think that updates will come :)
  • two things, can it blend????? And does it have native office?
  • Nnnnnnnnnnope!
  • exactly!!!! Samsung can be so called fancy but its still just cheap plastic to me.
  • The thing that got my attention is that some of them will come with Qi wireless charging out the box. I am hoping that will help push for wireless chargers everywhere
  • Good stuff... I think I will switch... Waited for MS ling enough and now I am frustrated... They cannot even catch up
  • I think gizmodo nailed it.  They didn't love it and it left them cold.  Sorry, I'm happy with my 920 and it copies much of what it does.  That's innovative?  I think not. 
  • Just a bunch of gimmicks being added. And before anyone comments on how I am against advancement in technology,I own a 920 so its good. I think we like to consider the phone market a competitive market but actually phones should only really need to do 7 things imo 1)phone calls 2)text messaging 3)music player 4)camera 5)internet 6)emails 7)social networking. Everything else is just extra and not really needed.
  • Stand pat my good fellows. S4 Shmess4. This is the part where people who like numbers and the idea their phone is better excite themselves. We all know Android devices are never the sum of their parts. Until the phone works well and our competitor somehow completely sucks no one should be worried.
  • After seeing specs and options on android, I've learned my lesson. No more small fry. No more BB and no more WP. I like the underdog but I'm sick and tired of having little to no features compared to a+a. There is a reason they dominate: They have the options people want/need and deliver product before we know we want/need it.
  • Another lession you should learn, be happy with what you have, don't get jealous with daily changes. I have a samsung focus (1st version) and still happy with it, and am not upgrading it anytime soon.
  • Amen
  • I'd rather buy an iPhone 5S or 6 when they come out.
  • Oh god, please don't defect to the dark side and turn into iSheep, iFag, etc.
  • iDonkey
  • Way to sound like a Dumbass
  • You don't seem to understand the the comment I replied to states that they'd prefer to buy an iPhone 5S or 6, which in no way relates to Windows Phone. Plus, the mentioning of one wanting to buy a phone running an OS that's significantly inferior to other platforms in every way except for app selection? Oh please, that just shouts "Hi, Apple rules and so does iPhone! All other phones suck ass!". Really though, if you still have that nagging desire to try and provoke my nonexistent anger, consider another way instead to calling me a "Dumbass", which is an ignorant way to start an argument. Is there any way for you to scientifically prove that I am yet a "Dumbass"?
  • From the little we know about the 928 im willing to bet its already better than the S4 because it will have a better camera (complete with xenon flash) better design and build quality. I could not care less about 8 cores until there are actually any apps that make proper use of it. To call that infrared sensor a mini Kinect is a joke unless it does much more than useless gesturing while web browsing ( something that nobody will do because its much easier and more precise to actually touch the screen) the improved voice recognition is the only thing that I applaud and I hope Microsoft caches up in this aspect quickly.
  • This device will wipe IPhone... I think it will hurt it badly!
  • The HTC One is dead. Wp9 better pack something spectacular. Tiles I think need to be more live than ever. For example, allowing tiles to play videos. No matter what I still favor WP for its beauty and ease of use.
  • Same here WP tiles has arts.
  • My bets are still on wp and Nokia no matter what they dish out there going to top Samsung!
  • +! Nokia innovates. Samshit copies and without Android they could have not made it.
  • It seems as Samsung is trying to get rid of Google Apps in their phones. They're making new apps so that, when they release Tizen OS, people choose Samsung (and it's OS) over Android. Also the Galaxy S4 processor is for battery saving, it isn't octa-core, even though the clock is somewhat faster and the graphics are better. It was more about the services. I also liked the temperature and humidity sensor, it's a nice touch.
  • It is your turn Nokia. :D
  • I have four Aces your move :-P
  • Im loyal to wp and Nokia no way would i go for that piece of crap my 920 amazing i used it last night at a metal rock gig band called Wednesday 13 the photos and 1080p recording on my 920 were fantastic!
  • In the end I feel sorry for HTC.  WP is finally starting to move and most of the sales are going to Nokia.  For people that love Android the S4 is going to be the phone to get without question.  If you're an iPhone fan you'll wait until the 5S/6 comes out and you have B10 devices out there as well. 
    Where does this leave HTC? Sony and LG have their hands in a lot of pots so this isn't the end of the world for them.
    the declining manufacturers aren't bringing their own customizations, apps or cloudservices. if HTC aren't going to make their own goodies then they need partners to complement their cool hardware
  • this i recorded on the 920 bare in mind i was fighting to stay still ! Lol
  • That looks great!
  • I sense that Nokia will have Snapdragon S800 and 1080p display screen for the next generation of Lumia flagships. S800 means USB 3 support and wifi ac support. I cannot wait for the next generation of Lumia flagship phone.
  • Sounds good to me if it kicks samsungs arse again then im happy bunch of smug buggers the lot of em lol
  • As far as I know Microsoft has barred WP8 at 1280x768 so it doesnt matter, it will hinder the device. 
  • Podunks you seem so negative
  • Guys, All they have added is a bigger screen a better processor. and some soft ware gimmick.. Will they allow SGS 3 to get the software gimmicks?. If not why not?. We keep complaining that this is not available here and there.. .why are pple not complaining.
  • Sticking with my 920. Not that impressed and I'm sure that our 920 camera will still reign supreme. Love wp8 and waiting for next generation of lumias.
  • Spec race over usability? Smartphone must have become status symbol instead of productivity tool.
  • ^^^^^^ THIS!!!!
  • S4 copied everything from other platforms and packed and presented very nicely. Google itself will doubt android is their product or Samsung’s. Hope all the features work without any crash. I think it is pretty easy to Microsoft to beat this. S4 has only 2 additional feature than Lumia 920. And Lumia/WP has so many features already integrated which people use daily. But Apple and Motorola had a lot to catch up.
  • Can we officially say that Android and its apps require more than a desktop OS right now? I don't even think my desktop, which run W7, has that spec @.@... For god sake, it's a smartphone.
  • Yup
  • Regardless of the specs, design, horsepower or innovations, its not windows phone which means its not for me. I love my Nokia and I love the windows OS, and more and more people will realize that the WAY your phone works is far more important than how much your phone is capable of.
  • Scrolling using your hands is hardly of any use except the cases which they mentioned in the presentation which doesn't happen often. 
    It looked such a slow scrolling compared to natural finger scrolling.
  • I just don't find the S3 or S4 the least bit attractive. That said, the internals are compelling.
  • I am a huge Nokia fan but for me, them being able to do a world wide roll out is impressive. I mean Nokia took almost four months to bring their phones to India. Which is ironic considering how much money they make here. Heck, their entire line up of Asha phones is because of Indian market.
  • when you have a phone which is almost similiar to its predecessor with some upgrades, why do you think it will take time?. these is nothing ground breaking. OIS is ground breaking.
    Also when the audiance will buy any crap you give, you can cooly produce how much ever you want with the tons of money you have.
    NOKIA is cash strapped and does not have that luxury. If they had gone andriod may be crazy guys will buy those and they will be better.
  • Yes they should be worried..
  • I don't think I see the S4 in the same light as you do. I mean S translator ... we've had it on windows phone since forever.... using gloves ..... 920 .... taking people out of images .... 920 ....
    Octa core .... my battery on the 920 already dies fast enough with a snapdragon dual core ..... I'd hate to imagine how fast the battery would die if you actually needed to run something that requires 8 cores.
    the only thing that made me go ... oh .... I could do with some of that .... is the 1080p display, but if thats all thats changed I can live with my 920s screen and enjoy windows phone.
    then you have the fact that not everything was announced, like the wireless charging capabilities, but then again the fact that operators can choose to remove it's wireless charging capabilities sucks.
    I don't know.... for a next gen phone, I am not as aww struck as to say, "the completion just ratcheted up to a new level".
  • The man who used Air Gesture look like he was catching a fly.
  • I'd leave WP for Android only for HTC. That would be after my 2 years is up with my Lumia 920 and if Nokia is still WP and releases the something better. Also After looking at Canonical. Then I would Go Android with an HTC phone.
  • The great thing in s4specs is samsung uses its own cpu, so qualcomm supply constraint is not a problem with other phone makers including nokia, supposely a small player these days and might not treated as fair. Qualcomm s4 quad core 600/800 is more than enough for mobile apps.
  • The S4 specs would probably pressure Nokia to upgrade their Catwalk or EOS specs.  The competion is good for all.  I'm patiently waiting for the EOS model.
  • Should WP & MS be worried? I thought they already were? Anyway, S4 is impressive just like the HTC One, but I'm all in with WP. I don't see how leaving the OS will help it reach the level Android currently is. I'll just grit my teeth, wait patiently and one day I'll be able to say "I told you WP was the ish".
  • If that Imate comes out with windows 8 then windows phone 8 would be a waste of money just have to wait till Nokia make a real windows 8 phone running windows 8 and not windows phone 8
  • "Here's how it goes guys. Tweak a millimeter of everything, bump the specs just a bit, oh change the 3 dots above the screen to 4, ok increase the screen size just to 4.99, not 5 coz that'll look too overwhelming, keep everything else cos it's selling. One more, maybe add a bit of the S2 elements to it so it 'looks' a bit different. Call it the S4. Oh sh*t one more, market it as high-grade plastic aight? Fans will be all over this." - Samsung Executive
  • I am not impressed with this at all. I personally think HTC one phone is much better and deserves more recognition than what the s4 is likely to get.
  • Agreed. HTC One looks to be all around a better android experience. SAMSUNG just has the $$ to advertise the hell out of this phone.
  • Agreed!
  • No matter how we would like to diss the S4 the more pertinent question is will Microsoft finally wake up and make WP truly competitive? Not all this half assed stuff we have like no easy playlist creation on the phone or no access to our Xbox video purchases. If they don't get their act together and give WP some real selling point beyond tiles then it doesn't matter if the S4 is made of plastic or has no new design, WP will continue to flounder and eventually might just as well be non existent.
  • Just seeing infobar UI and how similar it is to WP but so much more advanced shows how slow MS is. Small tiles being biggest change in idk how long to MSs metro UI, sucks.
  • Its butt-ugly next to the Lumia! All function, no style. Its like having the guts of a Mercedes in the body of a Honda Civic. The U.I. is still chaotic, mixing widgets and icons, blah blah blah...
  • No thanks...
  • They add features to add bullet points to their advertising specs. None of these new features, while cool, are really gamechangers. It still comes out to phone with tons of functions, no style. If that's what you want, there you have it.
  • If I was an android fan.. I will buy the the HTC one...but with nokia its just feels right.. So good luck to crapsung lovers
  • S4 on some serious Droidz!!..
  • Here in the US, Samsung wil be using a Qualcomm Quad Core Snapdragon 600 or 800 CPU/Chipset, at 1.9 Ghz.
  • Touch wiz is so ugly
  • You need a Oct core to power the phone?
    Don't you guys feel that, that is totally bullshit?
  • I undertsand this is a windows phone site, but the amount of people blinded by OS sides it astounding...
    I mean really, the biggest refresh to Windows phones since 7 was resizable tiles, and kids corner? When will Microsoft decide to go big, also allow WP8 device makers to go above the 1280x768 resolution it caps them at... Open up developement etc... Shoot how many apps are we missing out on because we are stuck with internet explorer, no flash, no dev access to the phones guts... It is quite sad. 
  • Well said.  Microsoft *needs* to open up development.
    Most of the missing features in WP8, would have likely already been covered by third party applications, if Microsoft had allowed more developer access.
  • Exactly, we would have had a lot of these things in WP7 phones, which would have meant WP8 could have actually been an OS update, and not a WP7.5 update. 
  • Look at all that lost screen space n the Nokia compared to the s4. Its ridiculous that on the top.and sides wp8 doesn't use the whole screen .also the large black area where the buttons are has to be trimmed. It looks horrible. I wish Nokia used something other than wp8 for their devices. The lumias would be much better
  • Meaning your dislike regarding the OS cloud your judgment, how come different OS can make you like the hardware more if not because of that.
  • That's one ugly phone...
  • I really like that you were honest and humble about your opinion. I wish Microsoft could do the same. 
  • S4 is a great gadget. And the software from Samsung also very good. I think Nokia need to keep up with the innovation
  • The only thing I think Nokia needs to take away from Samsung's approach is releasing their top of the line phone unmodified, simultaneously across carriers.  Coming up with something catchier than '920' or some other numeric designation would help too.
  • After watching the releasing of Samsung S4, now I only need to see the iPhone 5S.  I don't know about you, but I have the feeling that Nokia will make the statement with next release.  It's time for Nokia to move up again, because they can delivery new innovations.
  • I'll agree that the S4 does sound nice on paper but how much of it is really needed? 5 inch screen with 440PPI - even at 320PPI the human eye can't distinguish individual pixels so why the need for 1080p? 8 core processor - I have never experienced any lag on my 8X and that only has a simple dual core (OS stabilisation means a lot). 3 core GPU - why? I have never had any graphically intensive games lag on my 8X, if people are playing games so intensive that they need a triple core GPU, they just need to play on a computer/console because that game should not exist as a mobile app. 13mp camera - we clearly know now that megapixels aren't everything, the HTC One only has 4 but it makes up for that with its great sensors, the Lumia 920 as well only has 8mp but has amazing low-light performance. Massive 2,600maH battery - sounds good but is completely neccessary for a phone that powerful if it wants to have a decent battery life. Finally there's the design - I know from the iPhone 4S to the 5 was a pretty pathetic update for a lot of people but at least you can easily tell the difference between them. To be honest when I saw the first leaked photos of the S4 I thought it was an S3 and when it's actually released, from a distance people aren't going to be able to tell really easily whether it's an S3 or an S4. Oh and wireless charging? The S4 might have it but I sure haven't seen it anywhere...
  • Couldn't agree more, well put.
  • used to be a big wp supporter until i got a 620..Its not the apps but the basic os functionalities that i auto rotate task manager or file explorer..yes one might argue that you don't need these things but I certainly do..on top of that there's no mkv support...heck not even a third party media player that can play mkvs. again i can convert them to mp4 but who has got that kind of time..overall not happy...this OS definitely needs more work..
  • the lumia 920 successor is supposedly going to have, a 1080p full HD screen, be completely waterproof(not just water resistant) have some sort of solar screen, that is supposed to increase battery life up to an additional 20%, and have a camera experiance much closer to the 808, if all these things come true, people will indeed be climbing over themselves to get nokia's this fall, as one of the executives's hoping
  • I guess in this spec-hungry world, yes, WP has to worry. Most users don't buy a new smartphone using rational thoughts and proper evaluation (= do I really really need this feature and will the specs really make my personal user experience better), they buy emotionally.
  • These phones are just getting too big for me. A 4.5" screen is really the biggest I want on my phone. If I need a bigger screen I will use a tablet.
  • Why don't they spec a wp8 like that. Gimmics n all.
  • Nokia, please take pureview phase one, OIS, big battery, wireless charging and dont forget to sculpt a nicely designed body because its going to be big and thick. Slap them altogether and I'll buy it no matter how heavy and costly it will be
  • To me it's all about the display: I wish Nokia had a 4.8" display. I know it's personal preference, but whenever I see someone on the tube with an s3 I find myself wanting a bigger screen... And 720p on 4.8 would definitely suffice if you ad me.
  • +1
  • The specs battle is running unopposed. In desktop space software demands better cpu do to more. On smartphone oems advertise their new brand cpu that is not utilised just to drive sells. And people they are the other problem. Instead of using some money to augment their devices to their needs buy buying apps they spend their money buying new phones with more powerfull cpus that won't be used
  • Lumia 920 much nicer.
  • With such rapid hardware upgrades in Android, Microsoft and Nokia simply cannot compete. They are doing the next smart thing! They are focussing on the mid-end phones in India and China and low-end phones in Africa.
    With Lumia 520, 620, 720, and 820, they can target most of the Europe, Asia and Africa and get some sales. There is no way they can compete with Samsung or Android in the Developed world.
    As an example, Lumia 920 in India costs almost the same as the latest Android phones like Xperia Z!
  • Love WP. Put down my Gnex for an 8x...but the S4 is giving me second thoughts. I owned a Trophy before the Nexus. MS moves too slow. Like someone said WP is still lacking core features like notification hub and file management. I love the stability but eventually Android will catch up...then I'll never have a reason to remain with Windows Phone. I don't think MS is serious about mobile...they are distracted by their core businesses. They should quit chasing apple and worry more about Samsung. Its not acceptable to be at feature parity with just the iPhone anymore.
  • MS is involved in the mobile bussiness. Just because oems don't feature more powerfull phones is because they don't have to. As for feature parity there will be a notification center in WP too and it's better that it is not in the current incarnation. Devs have not made their apps wp8 ready and giving more feature will just create more havok in the ecosystem. As for the file management I presume they will choose the windows 8 way so any app can be a file system provider. But you need to give time to developpers to chew and get used to the platform. In this state the live tile and the way they were suppose to work is not understood. Whatsapp is using clumsy background audio hacks. And you cant say whatsapp do not have money at their disposal. It's just that mobile devs are so used to write crap for android that they are too lazy to write good code for wp platform. And I include skype developers here too
  • There doing that at for now dude and will compete soon enough !
  • I have buy Nokia Lumia 920 yellow (4 days) and today i sent back because Always Frozen. :(   So no way for me again WP8 (the nokia lumia 920 is perfect phone but OS WP8 crash anytime). shame Microsoft and Nokia.
    And this is the reason for low % worldwide.
  • Mobile phone is almost mature and not much gains that are actually valueable to consumers. Smart pause, smart scroll... are just for kids to show off, they won't change the way people are used to handle their phones. MS + Nokia should better off come up with something more useable, connecting people better.
  • Most tech blogs weren't really wowed by it including Gizmodo:
    Windows Phone needs more features software wise not hardware.  1080P? I rather have a longer lasting phone.  Design wise, many fanboys were hoping the leaks were just prototypes and that Samsung had some ultra secret new design...
    Microsoft/Nokia actually have some breathing room to up their game now.
  • Great link...summed up here... When flicking between screens, opening apps, and taking photos there was clear lag on the Galaxy S IV, whereas everything was almost instantaneous on the One. To be fair, this wasn't the final production version of the S IV, and who knows which processor was in the model I had. There's a chance it'll be faster at already lags!
  • But even purely from a design perspective, the One absolutely crushes the S IV. When you pick up the One, you feel like you're holding something amazing, both in the build and the screen. When you pick up the S IV, you feel like you're holding an S III with a few extra bells and whistles...lmao for once I am rooting for HTC to take Samsung down a peg
  • This is clever. They have an 8 core that the OS Cannot use. As it flips between 2 four cores. Engadget said performance was worse than the HTC One. Touchwiz is also crap. I'd rather have a nexus 4, or get cyanogenmod on there.
    As usual it will sell in droves because people have no intelligence to go out there and try devices. They just buy what some douche tells them to buy.
  • People who have recently purchased galaxy may not throw it away and buy an S4 simply for eye scrolling or a picture in picture feature. The next billion smart phone buyers are budget conscious buyers. That's where Lumia 520,620 and 720 is going to win. Nokia and Microsoft just have to keep up their good work.
  • Smooth ui and upgraded specs is only part of the story. Currently Im getting the feeling that Samsung is delivering powerful standalone hardware. But Im noy getting a Samsung love feeling. Its seems ti be het anither product and the previous already seems yesterdays news. Nokia on the other hand is giving a feeling of support with more relevant apps, recently acties the Windows phone ecosystem and truing to integrate it with the Windows 8 platform. Dure Windows phonr could improve on specs, but its the ecosystem that makes me stick with Nokia.
  • Android is a mess in so many ways. The restrictions Microsoft impose result in the consistency of the OS and its apps that so many of us enjoy. Windows Phone is control, Android is anarchy.
  • S4 looks good love the 5" screen, but!, i only see white and black with the S4, my Nokia 920 Red is still better :)
  • lumia 920 looks like an oudated brick next to the s4. i hate samsung phones with the cheap plastic and the shapes but i will give them all the credit for increasing the screen size while decreasing the bezel which give it a lot of advanatages and makes it look great. nokia has too many bezels which makes it looks really funny and cheap with all that wasted area...
  • It does make me think that my lumia 920 could do with being on a diet.
    Hopefully the next Lumia flagship is alot thinner and weighs slightly less.
  • Hell I'd even take a bnew HD2 over the S4. I loved WM6.5! Felt really like a mobile PC for me.
  • jeez what a load of short sighted anxiety in this article. wp needs market share before it can throw its weight around at the top level, and Nokia is proving to be a superb partner, selling tons of excellent product at keen prices into vast developing markets while also releasing a headline grabbing high end model that every new phone gets compared against, AND doing what they can to address platform/app shortcomings. the s3 was not an overnight success, it was completely dependent on a critical mass of android market share as its launch pad, and the same is true of the s4. I won't be willing to declare the war lost until wp plateaus at a less than sustainable market share for several years
  • Well said, my thoughts exactly.  I'm not feeling the S3/S4 design of the phone.  Sure the specs might be nice but with the L920 I'm not feeling any envy.  I rather have the Sony Xperia release on W8P platform.  Now that is one beautful looking phone.
  • Same boring, plastic design. The functionality is decent, but really nothing earth-shattering. What is most concerning is the amount of money they are willing to spend to promote it. Then again they will do what they always do, copy everyone else...
  • Samsung really can not build a quality phone. I picked one up the other day, the s3 and i hoenstly couldnt get over how cheap it feels in the hand, not only that but it feels really flimsy, not durable at all and thats backed up by the stories of randomly cracking plastic which can occur even if the phone is being gripped in the ahnd. HTC know how to build a quality phone, as do Nokia. Samsung, no chance. The S4 looks way too similar to the S3.
  • Meh!
    That is all.
    No actually. Nice try Samsung.
  • recognize that tonight, the completion just ratcheted up to a new level.
  • People continue to knock Android but the thing is.. the Operating System has come a long way.  I think Windows Phone was more polished when it was first released but it had predecessors that had pretty much pioneered the user experience that people had come to expect.
    I have a Nexus 7 Tablet and it's pretty bad ass.  Android 4.0 was a muturing of their platform.  They had a simple operating system prior to that that was able to be placed on many different devices and people were buying them.  They didn't limit themselves to phones either.  Now, they're a leader in the Market.  
    Microsoft is really limiting themselves by making such a drastic change and I know something different had to be done because they just weren't as profitable.  I'm hoping the platform doesn't die on a vine... but rest assured when Samsung makes the switch to they're own operating system... it will be they're downfall.
  • Samsung is not remotely committed to Windows Phone, they only did it so they could say they have one available.  When i was in their store in HK, they were actively recommending away from it to Android.
  • This feels like an android commercial and Nokia bashing wow why don't they call it androidwpcentral ??
  • 327 operators says it all, end of discussion. What can Nokia be on, 30?
  • Reading the number of people here arguing against putting better specs, better resolutions and more features in windows phones really makes me wonder whether I'm on the right platform.  
    I want bleeding edge technology, not "sufficient" or "good enough" and I don't want a company telling me higher resolutions or more advanced processors aren't necessary.  I want them.  That's enough.  Put them in your phones or I will move on.  
  • There are a lot of consumer forward features there that really make the S4 unique. The face tracking knowing if your looking at the phone and how you're oriented to your phone is really thinking forward. Then there's also the hover touch, while not new, will get known from thus device, and again consumer forward thinking. It seems like the S4 is what the S3 should have been. I think Microsoft needs to open up the OS more so Nokia can have more phone making features like this too. We've seen it with the super sensitive screen, now they just need to up it one more time this year; don't just focus on the camera, but the overall package now.
  • Iphone 5 is alot better than the shitty Phones Samsung is bringing to the Market. And Iphone 55 will beat the crap out fo Galaxy S4 it wont even be funny. The Only reason Samsung sells more Phones than Apple is because they have Phones at 49$.
    Nokia has the most beautiful Phones in my Opinion, Those Lumias are jaw dropping beautiful.
  • Ehhh... This was inevitable. The Lumia 920 is running on the same hardware as the Galaxy S3 having adopted it towards the end of it's lifecycle. Same as the Blackberry Z10, except that they're even further behind in the hardware game. The fact is that this is all incremental and reminiscent of the CPU clock-speed wars of the 90s. Except that back then if you were crazy you could spend $2000 on the fastest CPU on the market. That isn't possible today. So the Galaxy S4 will be the head of the pack for a few months, and by the end of the year, or early next year, there will be a Windows phone running the same hardware. And either way, it isn't going to be a huge leap for anything but benchmarking tests. With the resolution increases they'll be just above parity. What matters is the OS and software. In this Apple still has the edge, at least in terms of perception. They could copy Windows Phone wholesale and take all the credit like they invented the interface. Based on what I'm seeing in the press, where critics feel the incremental updates to the Galaxy S4 are a disappointment, the incremental updates to the iPhone 5 meant the best iPhone ever.
  • The premium smartphone market is saturated to hell with Samsung's Galaxy S3 and S4, HTC One, Sony Xperia Z, not to mention iPhone and Blackberry Z/Q10. There is barely anything Nokia or even Microsoft do to penetrate this market, even if they put out a beast of a super phone, they'll barely be able to scratch the surface.
    But it doesn't matter. As good as Android is when paired with the right hardware, it's not that great of an experience on mid and low-end hardware. These are the only markets where Windows Phone and Nokia in particular have a real advantage against the likes of Samsung. This is where we're most likely to see market share and user base growth, and where Windows Phone devices stand out rather well (e.g. Lumia 620 and 720).
    Microsoft needs to be more aggressive and prompt with keeping the OS up-to-date, and Nokia needs to aggressively focus on bringing Windows Phone to even lower price-points, e.g. <$150. Sure, keep two premium models with one of them as a flagsip showcasing the newest/best technology, but be mindful that those devices aren't going to be shaking ground.
  • I saw s4 video and 1 feature I saw a copycat of wearing the gloves similar to 920. Yes I love the other features s4 have but having a 5 inch is way to big. I still prefer a 4 or 4.3 inch size. No matter how cool features s4 have I still prefer 920 and still prefer user interface of 920 over boring icons of s4.
  •  Who needs slimmer and lighter design, true HD 1080p, 8 cores instead of two, 2 gigabyte of memory instead of one? I jjust say screw them. I'm happy with my Nokia 800. Its  so much cuter.  Screw instagram, screw vine, youtube etc.  Long Live WP. 
  • Biggest issue here is, Every carrier in the US will have the S4 but, only AT&T has the Luima 920.... and it was the same with the 900....
    and MAYBE Verizon will get a so called 928 but, nothing but rumors at this point and no one really knows the specs yet....
  • lol. definitely just like S3. rubbish and cheap looking. any phone with chrome on it looks like a potential fake phone to me.
    i never liked the OS eversince. so i dont care.
  • I think, nevertheless, that those who have to worry the most are the other android makers and apple. 
  • Microsoft must todo more than wp8. Better music hub albums manegment not good. Tellme sucks. Web browsing there something are missing, element of mobile browsing. And more more
  • Just because you cant buy an S4 because you have JUST bought a Lumia dosent make S4 lame, in any way. Let the sales talk later this year.
  • I hate to admit it but I feel like I'm being pulled to the darkside. Same dimensions as my 920 but half the thickness and a 5inch 1080p display looks pretty good. Not to mention a lot of the "gimmicky" software upgrades actually look pretty nice. Why won't Microsoft innovavte with WP!? After 3 Windows Phones (Focus, Titan, 920) it's hard not to be getting bored with the operating system. The only thing that is really new since the first round is tile size.
  • I still can't get over how fricking HUGE the L920 is. I mean the GS4 is an engineering feat to cram a 5 inch 1080p display into a body no bigger than a 4.7 inch phone and at 7.9mm thinness to boot. But the catwalk better be a lot smaller if the screen is only 4.5 inches.
    I was a huge Lumia 800 fan but they really screwed up the sizing of both the L900 and L920. I would have purchased the 920 if it wasn't a brick.
  • No doubt S4 is very Brilliant Hardware wise....Because this is Samsung NEEDs
    if they will not use Q-Core processor no will buy there Phones. Just look at behind when S1 came then S2..every time most of the time SAMSUNG's PROCESSOR was changed because of ANDROID OS. they produced WP Ative S look at hardware because Windows Phone OS no need such BIG hardware.
    Google need real WORK on their Andriod.
  • I'm just tired.
    I know the WP OS is smooth. It runs its apps smoothly.
    I like Windows Phone. Its safe. It doesn't take risks. Live tiles? Great stuff.
    But what I want and I think we all want what IOS has. Not IOS but an OS that is fearless. We want what Android has. Not android but an OS that is FEARLESS and BOLD.  
    I don't want to watch another demo of Belfiore's kids and him talking about how the kids can't get to the important stuff on his phone. I'm the parent. Kids can't play with my phone unless I give permission. PERIOD.
    Why didn't we get notification in Windows Phone 8? We expected it in WP7, hoped to get it with Mango in WP 7.5 Sure to see it in WP 8. But no notification.   "We  ran out of time"? Seriously?  That's the excuse?  BS! 
    We could get a room for kids on the phone  "IN TIME" but not notification?  What happened to official Pandora first quarter 2013? What of the official FoodSpotting app for Windows Phone 8? They had a developer working with MS on that but suddenly, he's gone. Something is mad wrong.
    I don't want to see another WP demo from Joe Belfiore telling me about possibilities. Show me proof of concept and killer code in practice I can use. 
    Big woop. I can send pics to Facebook with lightning speed. Yay. But we are in 5 months into Windows Phone 8. That was WP 7. I'm not impressed by that anymore.
    I don't even care about the next NEW promise with code name "Blue" whatever that is.  I see it as more dragging of one's feet.
    No more hobby. No more beta test. No more BS. 
    Make WP a reality Microsoft or give the reigns over to Nokia and get over this chatter about fragmentation.
    I'm not an impatient man, but I do get tired.
    I'm tired.
  • The s4 is all specs my Lumia 810 would probably kill it in everyday tasks.
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  • For a minute I thought I was on android central. But it's hard not to feel that way with the love fest that happens with ever new android phone released.  Man, where is the love for wp8. 
  • Where is the love ? Where is WP8 ? Where is Microsoft Surface ? Only o few countries have Nokia, look at Samsung S4, launching in 133 countries and 165 carriers all ready to sell, promote, do whaterver to mae a profit of it. Microsoft is not ready to make money with windows 8, no matter the form. Not enough touch screen notebooks on stores, Surface available only in few, very few countries, Windows RT a poor experince, Windows Phone 8 really coool, but no promotions in many countries, nobody here about nokia htc etc with WP8 in east europe, Nokia 920 appear on Vodafone last week, 5 month after release, hidden somewhere on vodafone website. I have never seen such a poor marketing from Microsoft as i see with windows 8. After 5 month from launch i haven't seen a surface tablet, and i sell a lot of microsoft software, next week i go to a presentation maybe i'll see one. Right now there are not selling any wp8 or tablet through any reseler.
  • The sales numbers won't lie and this phone will probably be as popular as pizza in a frat house. I'm sure the "octo-quadra super extra deluxe" cpu runs Android (and whatever else Samsung has thrown on top) just fine. I just like the look and feel of the 920...subjective I know but one man's "brick" is another man's sculpted art.
  • Great phone -- BUT... It crashes several times a day and I am unable to get the new firmware. My Lumia 920 (open phone) is on the Vodafone network in Hungary. Nokia tells me see my network provider. Vodafone does not have the Lumia 920 here yet, so no firmware. Grrrrrr. Do NOT buy the Lumia 920 unless you can get the latest firmware!!! The nearest warranty service is conveniently located on the other side of the planet, in the Philippines -- no global warranty like with the iPhone. THIS SUCKS!!!!!
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  • I think Samsung galaxy s4 is better than nokia lumia 920. in addition, samsung galaxy smartphones are cheaper than nokia lumia.