What comes next after the Band for Microsoft?

The Microsoft Band is dead. Microsoft is no longer working on any new Band products internally, any Band 3 developments have been canceled, and there will not be a Band 3 release. That's sad news, but that's not the whole story.

There's been a lot of misinformation going around regarding the Band 3 and whether it has actually been killed. Going off what's been said internally, Microsoft has canceled plans to release the Band 3. No longer are Microsoft actively working on new prototypes or testing any new features for a new Band. There are many reasons as to why it has been canceled, but the reason I hear the most is because Microsoft couldn't get Windows 10 running on it.

Regardless, it doesn't matter why it has been canceled because that doesn't actually change anything. The Band has been put into "Sustained PLE," which is an internal term for "end-of-life" support. Anyone who is familiar with Microsoft will know that end-of-life means that product line has been discontinued and that the only work being done now are software updates for the current product on the market. There is no ongoing development on a new Band device.

But that doesn't mean Microsoft are finished with wearables, as that would be a bad move on Microsoft's part. There are whispers internally that Microsoft is in fact looking at taking a lot of what they did with the Band line (in regards to sensors) and putting it into a new product that could possibly be released in the far future. So even with the Band 3 being canceled, it'd be foolish to not release some other kind of wearable in the future.

Microsoft's taking what they did with the Band line's sensors and is building a new wearable product… but that's a long way off.

If Microsoft does end up releasing a new wearable in the future, it'll almost definitely be running some kind of lightweight Windows 10 SKU, which would make sense considering Microsoft wants to put Windows 10 everywhere. The Band product line was never meant for Windows 10, which is an OS that some might argue is too big and complex for the simple tasks Microsoft wanted the Band to be able to do anyway. Whether Microsoft are successful in getting Windows 10 to run on a wearable remains to be seen.

It's not clear what branding Microsoft will give a new wearable, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were something under the Surface banner (that's pure speculation on my part). It will be a while before we see anything official from Microsoft regarding a new wearable, however, so if you're holding out for a new wearable from Microsoft in the near future, you might as well give up and begin looking elsewhere. Or you could stick with the Band 2, as that will still be updated every so often, and works pretty good even today.

Zac Bowden
Senior Editor

Zac Bowden is a Senior Editor at Windows Central. Bringing you exclusive coverage into the world of Windows on PCs, tablets, phones, and more. Also an avid collector of rare Microsoft prototype devices! Keep in touch on Twitter: @zacbowden.

181 Comments
  • I don't think the Surface name would fit well for a wearable.
  • Surface Watch? Sounds good to me, and if other manufacturers can utilize Windows 10 IoT with Windows Store for their wearables, that'd be perfect.
  • Seeing as Microsoft themselves couldnt get W10 IOT running on their band 3 I would bet no other OEM will either.
  • May need to wait for the next major Windows update
  • I don't get why they'd be so obsessed to have Windows 10 running on it to be honest. There's not really a huge advantage to running "apps" on the device and there's many negatives to that. Sure, if it needs to run apps, have them built on .NET Core but there's no reason it needs to be Windows 10 running on the actual device if it isn't suitable. I don't buy into this being the main reason they got rid of it when the replacement rates were through the roof it probably just wasn't making any money and they hadn't solved the issue in their v3 prototype at all by the looks of it. They're smarter than to get obsessed with running Windows 10 IOT on a device just for the sake of it IMO.
  • It will be called the Surface Band, and will have Continuum capability to run a Lapdock, and cell/LTE to act as a phone with Bluetooth accessories.
  • Well, they are known to blend different technologies together....
  • Love the idea of a wearable powering a lap dock through Continuum. I've never liked the look of a band though... Surface Watch for the win!
  • that sounds pretty cool and much more deserving of the Surface name than a mere smartwatch/band.
  • Sure, but lets see them nail it on a device with some actual computing power first....Phones/Phone-like devices ;)
  • That isn't what the Surface brand stands for. How is that any different from an Android Wear device with LTE? We already know Microsoft isn't making a Surface phone based on Continuum integration, because that is a software distinction, not hardware (i.e. Lumia 950/XL). Surface up to this point has been about transforming form factors, not software. Doing what has already been done and calling it Surface Band would be a bad thing for the Surface name, and wouldn't inspire third party OEMs. Since they are already doing the same things with Android Wear, why switch?
  • Surface is about Hardware innovation. Any hardware would need firmware and first party features for the design as a whole to function as it is planned.
  • Not sure I follow. Obviously firmware is an important aspect of the implementation of hardware. What I am saying is that putting an LTE radio in the device and adding continuum is not hardware innovation. LTE in smartwatches already exists, and continuum wasn't enough for Microsoft to release a Surface phone. Microsoft would be silly to release a Surface band that looks and acts like any other smartwatch, with the added ability of continuum. Surface is a vision, crafting new device categories through hardware innovation, and exploiting the software that runs on it. My question still stands, why would third party OEMs already using Android Wear switch to a Windows powered smartwatch? We have already seen Surface Pro/Book clones, and yesterday we got a glimpse of Dell's implementation of a Surface Studio type device. The Surface devices are positioned to take the burden of research and development, and the risk associated with trying new products in the market. Adding an LTE radio and continuum to a Windows powered smartwatch is quite the opposite of that strategy.
  • That's exactly why the Surface brand and manufacture is needed for Microsoft's Wearable and Phone business. Look How it turned the table with Surface Tablet, Laptop and Desktop (ultimately, Studio). It's about being more than what the devices stands for... Why wouldn't an Android or iOS users want to switch to a better hardware coupled with better software. It's all intertwined, that's how HP did it recently. It triggered the Windows Mobile development further more to implement on its Elite X3. Msft as a software company should know this if it's all into introducing variety of consumer hardware. Surface should be the creative head and body for all the hardware while msft takes care of the software part.
  • Android/iOS users didn't switch to Windows Mobile just because of better hardware/software. Those things are subjective, and don't convince people to move once they are entrenched in another ecosystem. Creating new device categories is the way to make people switch, and I promise you won't see an LTE and continuum branded smartwatch with the Surface name. Now if it does something on the hardware end to define a new category, then yes they would call it Surface.
  • android wear doesn't turn into a PC though.
  • No, but was continuum enough for Microsoft to call the Lumia 950/XL a Surface phone? Continuum is more of a software innovation than it is hardware, and device makers have zero risk in implementing continuum enabled devices. No one is stopping third party OEMs from doing it now, since it is enabled by the software when the hardware is powerful enough. ​I fully expect Microsoft to return to wearables, however, if it is a hardware clone (in terms of form factor) of what is already in the market, don't expect it to be accompanied by Surface branding.  
  • It would have been called a surface phone if the surface team was actually behind it.
  • I promise you, it wouldn't have. Windows Central has been explaining that the Surface phone may never come to light, and the very reason for that is because it would go against what Surface stands for. Panay said it himself on October 26 "Surface has always been about more." That "more" isn't continuum, a software feature.
  • They just tweaked an old fashion touch AIO into a Surface Studio. The Surface came out after the iPad was out and iPad keyboards existed. It would be foolish to believe Surface is something completely different, they are not. Surface takes something already being built by others (iPad, Laptop, AIO) and advances it with Windows tech and accessories.
  • Lol, yea they just tweaked it /s. Panay said it himself, Pro/Book/Hub are all category defining products. If you think high end quality and continuum makes for category defining products, then you will be waiting quite sometime for a Surface branded smartwatch that merely includes LTE/continuum.  
  • What is it with all the Surface Brand? You really think that a wearable with vastly suspect build quality would be worthy of that label?
  • I think Swatch is already a brand...
  • Come on, it should be 'Surface Wear' then who wouldn't want a revolutionary Surface wearable that works seamlessly with all 3 Operating Systems like how the Band's doing now ...
  • Surface Wear as in "swear"? Fitting.
    You'd look at it and say every time: "@#$% it, where are all the apps?" :-)
  • Now, there's an another appcounting guy with no clue of what he has just commented.
  • Don't have a problem with the Surface name on a watch either. My major problem with the band its its build quality and whack materials they use in building it. Would also be nice if the face was round but that's me.
  • I think the name Surface Sport could work.
  • Agreed, smartwatches/fitness trackers are a thing already. The only way I can see Microsoft slapping the Surface name on it is if it somehow defines a new category. And from what we've seen in the past, that means a distinction in the hardware, not the software. The last thing they need is to introduce confusion as to what the Surface brand actually stands for.
  • Agreed 100%. Someone suggested that it can somehow connect to a display and you'd have a PC and have LTE for calls. Something like that would definitely be deserving of the Surface brand.
  • Don't forget that just about works in phone-level hardware right now....People are getting ahead of themselves if they really think a watch-like product is going to be doing this any time soon
  • Like the Surface Book? How did that "define a new category"? Don't get me wrong, its a great high end detectable laptop, but it hardly created a new category of devices.
  • It has a detachable reversible screen and can boost with a powerful GPU in the base. No other device on the planet can do all these things, so its a new category.
  • As Mad4beef has explained, it is about being able to use other components (in this case GPU) in the base, as opposed to just adding battery life.
  • I kinda agree. But what could MS do to revolutionize the wearable industry? Release a Surface Coat / Jacket, that is smart, has LTE, Cortana integration, can power up a lapdock wirelessly with continuum, and washes and irons itself? :D It's very difficult to do anything new in the wearable industry.
  • Before October 26th, I'm sure it was hard for you to imagine a revolution in AIO devices as well. Well look where we are ;)
  • I was kind of thinking a flexible oled wristband, based on win10 mobile with wireless only continuum. Wireless charging on plate. Proximity login to devices, bio signature recorded from wearing those sensors.
  • I'd put all the computing in a band-like device, then have a foldable wireless touch screen (perhaps with gpu) that can be used for larger scale interactions (ala continuum). I don't think wireless touch screen technology is there for that yet though? ​Their future visions video had multiple bands that were each a full touch screen and could be clipped together in some manner to make larger screens. That was pretty cool :)
  • Sure that would be very cool but phones can just about run Continuum right now and can get pretty hot when doing it - We have to be realistic that something like what you describe would be really cool but is nowhere near to being reality in terms of the continuum idea. Not suggesting that you are saying this would be coming anytime soon of course :) The new features coming to Continuum for phones will demand even more compute power going forwards, it wouldn't really make sense to make an inferior version that ran on watch sized hardware. It would be as crazy as insisting that a Band 3 needs to run Windows 10 to be a useful and successful device - It was more important to fix the hardware shortcomings IMO. If they really were obsessed with getting Windows 10 IOT running on it then it makes sense it failed because there are many disadvantages and few advantages to it. If they want it to run .NET they could build off .NET core the same way UWP does - Considering how small the display is and the limited "apps" there's no reason to even have the full UWP APIs available to it. To do that it wouldn't need W10 necessarily.
  • Haha :-p
  • Calling it just plain Surface for the smallest device would make sense. Then Surface phone etc. If its waterproof they could call it the Surf lol
  • Call it "Surface Sensor", with rudimentary user interface, and connection to a "Surface Pocket" smartphone -- or whatever they'd call a new category.
  • Moonraker, anyone?
  • No.
  • +1000000. Looked super - too bad they killed it off, along with other Nokia products.
  • I just got a new Band 2 at a Microsoft store in Seattle last week. The one I had worked perfectly, but the rubber was separating as we've seen and heard. They replaced it for free.
  • I actually bought this special glue to fix mine. I'm going to do whatever it takes to keep this band alive. There's nothing out there that can compare to how great this watch is.
  • What is this special glue?
  • Yeah, what glue?
  • I suspect the issue of the rubber splitting is the primary reason the Band is being taken off the market.  It's acknowledged as a manufacturer's defect, and they're replacing it for free, but I'll bet it's costng them dearly.  When I got mine replaced (for the second time), they were offering a Fitbit as an alternative replacement.
  • You do understand that it would be too stupid as a reason, even by MS standards? Botching an entire product line just because you'd have to find some better rubber or make it replacable...
  • My 5th Band just began cracking. These replacement costs are what drove them to cancel the 3. So short sighted
  • It is just rubber, and rubber will eventually wear and/or crack. It's just a fact of life, and I'm sure they were well aware.
  • Yep. Shame they didn't use those plastic straps as seen on 80s digital watches. Easier on the skin, and they lasted forever. Rubber was a mistake. Unfortunately, they made it twice for some reason.
  • The replacement costs issue makes more sense to me, they are smarter than to have some obsession of needing to get W10 IOT working on it, that alone isn't a reason to cancel it. There is no loss of pride if it ran something else, if they wanted it to run .NET apps then build off .NET core the way UWP does (It's .NET Core with UWP extensions that tie you to that platform), it could have ran a flavour of Linux for all I care.
  • Same here. My Band 2 developed a tear in the strap after eleven months. Went into the store on Saturday and walked out ten minutes later with a new one. My first Band lasted eleven months before it stopped charging. Also got that replaced for free.
  • This was sad but the truth from all this is while MS may release a great product, it won't be for a long while now. And this puts it behind competitors where as it was ahead with band. In addition, trust is something that MS is going to have to rebuild as releasing products and killing them is something they have done more than one would desire.
  • Waiting too long and wasting too much time is what cost MS in mobile devices. See the interview Steve Ballmer just did with Bloomberg TV posted this morning
  • Thanks, I just watched it.
  • They're probably just retrenching. It's worked for mobile, they tell us.
  • The biggest problem with MS is not that they discontinue their products soon after release, it's that most of the time every change in windows breaks compatibility with their products, and if they're discontinued, they never get fixed. When you use a Microsoft product, it's for the now, but you never know how long it'll really last, before it's no longer supported.
  • Good thing nothing stops them from working once they're no longer supported.
  • Except for when the battery unexpectedly stops holding charge or the rubber tears. On my 3rd one, they'll likely be out of inventory by the time this one fails
  • I think once they have GATT support in place Fitbit will heavily support Windows 10 / Mobile - They have already stated they will bring all the missing features to W10M soon and I think MS will push people towards them or do some sort of joint initiative to fill the fitness tracker category. I love my Band 2, especially for the Windows specific features like Cortana but there's no reason these things can't come to FitBit devices if they work together, it wouldn't make sense right now as there's basic things FitBit can't do w/ W10M but once it can do it all no reason they can't integrate some MS specific features. They seem close
  • where's Mr. Catfish!
  • You beat me to it. I was thinking the same thing!
  • I think he got tired of arguing his points. At least this article did alude to the possiblity of a new wearable and not anytime soon. Two points I think he tried to get across with previous comments.
  • No he said that a new one was coming soon and there are precise projects while this articles states "something may or may not come sometime starting 2017 and ending 2099" :D
  • Well, the article stated "far future", so 2017 is out. 2018-2020 are probably out too.
  • In Msft's "vision of the future" video, a wearable bracelet is featured so I think that wearables are definitely a part of their long term planning.  
  • Whoa, stop the presses! Microsoft killed a product?!
  • I think wearables will end up a lot like tablets: lots of hype at first, some very quick iterations, and then they stagnate. For tablets, as long as you can still read books/browse the web/watch videos, you don't need a new one. For wearbables, as long as you can track steps, tell the time and the other basic things a wearable does, why upgrade? Somewhat related, Fitbits sales dropped 57% from last year to this year.
  • I'll never buy Fitbit again. I had a Charge HR and it lasted just over a year before the band bubbled and eventually ripped apart. It's not possible to get a new band so it's useless now. My wife's band only lasted 6 months, but was replaced under warranty. Terrible quality control, so I would only consider models (from other brands) with replaceable bands
  • How can we get WhatsApp to make a UWP? The current app just has embarrassing performance on my 950. I asked my mom and she didn't know either....
  • .
  • If WhatsApp doesn't see a viable market for it, they won't make it. Simple as that. 
  • If mstf will push w10m upgrade to Windows Phone 8.1 users (not with force) it will give WhatsApp a motivation to develop an uwp app.
  • it's really not ready for most 8.1 devices, matter of fact I wouldn't put w10m on anything under a Quadcom 210.  Even of my 920, it ran, but it had all sorts of problems, bought a 950 and went back on the 920 to 8.1.  now both phones are extremly fast, they were just designed for that. and keep in mind that most windows phones in the wild are 520s, that's just too old too slow and not enough of anything, memory or storage.
  • Really as the Snapdragon 800 in my 930 begs to differ!!?!
  • my point exactly.... 800 > 210
  • Given the 2 year typical lifespan of a mobile phone, how many Windows Phone 8.1 mobile phones will there be after this holiday season? Frankly, it's a miracle we have a WhatsApp app on Windows phones (all versions) at all, more so given how often It's updated. We should count ourselves lucky. I have a feeling that Microsoft might pay Facebook to keep the app on the platform - I can't imagine many people sticking with a Windows phone without that of the most basic apps (and I say that as someone who has no use for 99.99% of apps). That, by the way, is also a strong reason why Microsoft won't bother bringing those old phones into W10M - too much trouble to gain a very short bump in W10 numbers, only for most of those handsets to be retired shortly after that. PCs on the other hand stick around much longer, and notice the very different upgrade approach by Microsoft for those.
  • Ask your dad.
  • My guess is that it will be the brain for a new continuum experience in the future. Because that just makes sense. Having your data connection on your wrist, that streams to a dummy device. Hells yeah.
  • Thats a very interesting thought. Would make a lot of sense since you would be having it with you even more often than a smartphone. ...hoping not to charge that device too often
  • or, instead of your wrist you could have a 3.5mm jack port implanted in the back of your head like Johnny Mnemonic... cause after all, how much of your data can a device on your wrist handle vs your brain
  • Poor Apple users would never be allowed to get one
  • I don't buy it. They couldn't run a specific OS on it after two generations so they canceled it? They still develop and sell Windows Embedded Compact 2013 (Windows CE) that can (and likely already is) doing the job.
  • I really don't think the OS thing is the reason it was canned. There was no sane reason to insist it HAD to run W10 IOT. If they want "apps" to run on it then it's possible to take .NET core and build some Band specific extensions (Like how UWP works) the OS just needs to be able to run that .NET Core code so the OS is irrelevant to a point, like you say.
  • Well that's a real bummer, I had fully intended to move into the wearable's market and join my wife with her band after seeing how well it performed on the golf course. Still loving windows 10 mobile, but if they no longer make phone as well I guess I just stick with Microsoft on my pc or find a new platform that can offer me everything.....
  • This article reads the same if you substitute Windows phone for Band...
  • Lmao its true!
  • Just sending in my replacement Band 2 for another replacement :( Easily my favourite of the different wearables I've tested, but definitely has some manufacturing flaws. Many have reported problems with the band itself (I've had none) and many others have had the same challenge as I, with the battery apparently dying. Hope it's 3rd time lucky!
  • I'm sending in my 3rd Band 2. All three have had their band crack about and inch left of the screen. A friend of mine is at the same point, 3 cracked in the same place. I really like the Band 2 and would have wanted the Band 3 (especially for swimming), but I have little to no confidence in the long term quality of the device stores. Each of mine had only lasted about 3 months.
  • Microsoft do need a solution for the mini embedded space though. If the MCU only had a few MB RAM and low Mhz then linux is the only option other than straight custom embedded. We need an iot Windows smaller than IoT Windows. Micro framework was targeted for closer to that space but is slow and virtually dead. They have some test projects using cross compilers which are interesting concepts but as someone who works in this space, there is a big hole. And a watch fits in this space which is why getting full Windows on a wearable failed.
  • Would .NET Standard fit into this space? If it needs lightweight GUI then some purpose built extensions could be built. In theory it doesn't matter if it's Windows so much as if .NET devs can write for it
  • Surface watch sounds plausible
  • If you want a $2000 watch that's out of stock and the firmware never quite seems to be right....
  • Don't worry, guys. They're just retrenching and will instead focus on Microsoft Band for Enterprise.
  • Dont forget the requisite keyboard and mouse to get the full benefits... :)
  • With continuum!
  • Will that Band have a pen?
  • It won't have a pen, exactly, but will instead convert to one.  It will be a brand new Band/Pen hybrid product category.
  • Somebody said something funny in the comments a month or so back that they are working on an enterprise focused model called "The Shackle" lol, it did make me laugh at the time
  • Somebody said something funny in the comments a month or so back that they are working on an enterprise focused model called "The Shackle" lol, it did make me laugh at the time
  • Somebody said something funny in the comments a month or so back that they are working on an enterprise focused model called "The Shackle" lol, it did make me laugh at the time
  • Somebody said something funny in the comments a month or so back that they are working on an enterprise focused model called "The Shackle" lol, it did make me laugh at the time
  • Somebody said something funny in the comments a month or so back that they are working on an enterprise focused model called "The Shackle" lol, it did make me laugh at the time
  • Somebody said something funny in the comments a month or so back that they are working on an enterprise focused model called "The Shackle" lol, it did make me laugh at the time
  • Somebody said something funny in the comments a month or so back that they are working on an enterprise focused model called "The Shackle" lol, it did make me laugh at the time
  • I am bored with Windows Phone soon i will ditch this OS. Worst OS for phone. Nothing exciting left. No new phone launched for about one year.
  • HP Elite x3, Alcatel Idol 4, Lenovo in Japan ??? more to come next year from OEM... The only issue is that a big part of WP are/were Lumias, which is no longer, so OEMs have a big gap to fill, hopefully still considering cheaper  / consumers  grade phones... My flawlessly working (lucky one?) 950XL still amazes me daily, especially with the insider builds which tweak (and break) a few things here and there!
  • There is Lenovo w10m in ***?  Serious question.
  • Just launched, called Lenovo "softbank"
  • bye
  • You should ditch yourself because you lack one critical feature: Staying on topic.
  • I have had multiple Band 1's, multiple Band 2's for myself and my family, but that is not necessarily a good thing. I've had multiple for reasons as the band stopped working completely (which they did replace free), and SEVERAL bands had the rubber split in two (again, which they always replaced for free), so that is why I stuck with them. They were pretty good overall, expect for the constant rubber breaking problems. I have since went with the Vector Watch and I am overall happy with it. It's solid and works well with both the 950XL and the Elite X3 and the Anniversary Update, not at all on RS 2 though. The way I did it was instead of replacing my band when it split yet again, was I simply returned it for in store credit and put that towards my Elite X3. Microsoft customer service in the store in Dallas has been superb. Anyways, anyone looking for a decent replacement, take a look at the Vector watch, it's good.
  • Except, the Vector watch and Band 1/2 are two totally different types of wearables.
  • Too bad.  They screwed this.  For at least the next 5 years or so there is no chance to run W10 on wearables.  Wearables need to rely on special firmwares and need special communication protocols. 
    Any OS that requires a bigger footprint or requires an OS that demands way more more computing power than the functions it ought to serve is doomed. 
      What was Microsoft thinking when they started this Band adventure in the first place.      
  • Let's see... Windows 10 runs on things as small as Raspberry Pi and lots of other IoT level "maker" hardware Apple runs Unix on their wearable The Microsoft Band 1 and 2 do exactly what you suggest, a custom mini-OS designed for just the functions of the device. So you're saying that you don't know what Microsoft was thinking when they started the Band "adventure" by doing what you claim they should do?
  • I've had both bands. Loved the second one more than the first one. Unfortunately the second one has constant strap issues, I've gone through 3 already. Sure, they have been replaced at no cost, but once it is out of warranty I know it will break again. So i think that from here on out, I'm going to only use it when I run or exercise.
    I'm sure Microsoft will eventually come out with a watch, and when they do I'll be getting it. I'm a Microsoft guy at heart.
  • Mine is out of warranty and it was replaced once. It broke again today. So I glued it. My local store is out of stock and a send in will result in a send back. But hey a little red and it's good as new.
  • Gloss, please. Poorly Leveraged Expectations? Product Loss Eventuality? I can't get from "sustained PLE" to end of life.
  • Product Life End
  • Whatever it is I won't trust it to stay so most likely I won't buy it.
  • Band 2 was and still is a solid product, I don't see me rushing to replace it for some time. Like many things wearables were going to change the world, they didn't. Microsoft I suspect struggled to make it a going concern and as they don't need too it's not surprising. Unfortunately the logic probably applies to the Windows Phone as well but I think they will have another stab at that.
  • But if I saw one cheap on ebay I might bite.
  • How about a "ZUNE" watch.
  • It took the third release for the surface pro to take off. Here's the problem, they put out stuff and kill it. Puts doubt in the customers mind on their commitment to anything. As a Surface rt, Zune, band 1 and 2 owner, I know my confidence in anything new they put out is not high.
  • Absolutely. I completely bought into the Windows 10 devices and at one time was using a Surface RT, Band 2 and Lumia 735. I did replace the RT with a Surface 3, but I have not replaced my smart watch and have gone to a Samsung Galaxy for my cell phone. Its hard to commit to expensive technology when there is a good chance it won't be supported going forward.
  • Don't you mean,"I completely bought into Windows devices.."?  Of the devices you listed, only the Surface 3 runs Windows 10.   Also, it's hard to commit to any phone now because new models come out every year.  As new technology comes out, whatever phone you choose will be obsolete. 
  • I suppose that would be a more accurate way of saying it. However the Lumia 735 does run Windows 10 Mobile. The Band 2 technically didn't run any varient of Windows 10, so you are right about that one though.
  • This is where I am now...outside of my gaming rig OS there is no need to continue buying MS products as the lack of support continues to cut life short on their products. My family is down to 1 Windows Phone as we have moved to Galaxy in both phone and tablets. It's frustrating as MS makes good products, but then they let them die
  • Expensive to you and me, but also keep in mind that MS's target is the 1%  as seen in the Surface line, yes, it's premiun, but not for everybody.
  • Updated every so often....hahaha. We have been waiting ten months for them to fix the "connecting" issue when trying to text. Complete lazy B.S. more crap under Nutella.
  • That issue is gone on rs2
  • So fix it. Or recall them all. This is ridiculous this long and they act like it doesn't exist.
  • Just wait couple of years until chipsets become more powerful to squeeze more power and storage into smaller die size.
  • The band 2 worked perfect who cares if it runs windows 10 or not? The only reason they stopped was that they made a massive loss as each and everyone they made eventually the rubber would split. They changed mine twice I was about to get a third but I heard they were not making them any more so instead of replacing I had a full refund from Argos UK . So in reality I had the use of two different bands for six months free of charge. Or had I taken up their offer of replacing for second time that would mean I had three bands for the price of one. No one can take a hit like that and carry on as nothing had happened. If I knew for certain that glue should have done it I would have kept the band. It was the best let down by a rubber strap
  • Isn't it this smart watch or fitness watch market is based on people's hypocrisy? People buy these things 90% to show off and 10% to really use for fitness.
  • No.  
  • My Band2 is back in to MS for the third time for the strap issue...I don't want a refund as then I have little to no options for another device that does the same thing and works fully with my 950xl...if they refund then I will 99% sure jump ship to a different handset and watch...which I don't really want to do...
  • But your Band 2 doesn't work fully with your 950XL, either.
  • But your Band 2 doesn't work fully with your 950XL, either.
    Please explain. I haven't noticed any issues with the Band 2 and my 950.
  • Voice commands.
  • That's not a feature I would actually use, but I just tested this functionality. I was able to both launch an app and search for nearby restaurants by using voice commands from my Band 2.  I'm on plain production builds with my 950. I know there were previously some issues with the early Windows 10 builds, but all the past issues I've experienced have already been addressed.
  • I agree completely with this assessment. Also want to point out I think the base surface(rt) line is done. Panos used the words pro device and studio device when talking Surface in that regard Surface device depicts the entire line. Also why build new low end devices when u can sell a mid range one from last year at that price point that is just as good if not better. Example being i5 pro3 @599 instead of a s4 at 799.
  • Because the Surface comes with LTE?
  • Really losing faith in Microsoft. Dropped the ball with utilizing the Nokia division, now killing the band. The band is a fantastic product. I love my band 2, especially the golf functionality. Coming up on one year of ownership this Christmas, no strap issues, no replacements. Was really looking forward to band 3 being the iteration that perfected the product. Oh well, to use the old Charlie Heston line, "from my cold, dead hands". I will enjoy my Lumia 1520 wp8, and band 2 as long as possible. These products are still as good as anything out there.
  • Businesses are in business to make money.  Some products don't pan out.  They may have a cult following but that doesn't pay the light bill.  Often, many products are thrown up on the wall to see what sticks.  Some of them are profiable and some of them arn't.  In many cases the products are great but simply ahead of their time.  Keep in mind that revolutionary hardware can take 2 to 3 years to bring to market.  One would hope to see the results of the Nokia venture soon.  It is bubbling to the surface.
  • With GATT coming soon, the most important aspect of the Band for me can be had on other wearables :) Maybe MS is thinking about something more like Android Wear and the iWatch, with more interactive apps and such...? The Band never got out of glorified fitness device territory, and that territory is being gobbled up by the new waterproof iWatch and other Android Wear devices. I see why MS wanted to get out the Band in that sense.
  • Coming soon (tm). Q4 2018 maybe? Zero confidence in them the get GATT support working properly anytime soon.
  • I was looking forward to finally getting a band as I'm very much into fitness. I hope they do come out with something equivalent in the future
  • Have you looked on ebay?
  • "A long time from now, in a galaxy far, far away..." Where have we heard this before? Like its other Mobile devices, you can look forward to Microsoft's next wearable being an Enterprise-focussed device. Look forward to sharing your exact location, heartbeat, skin galvanic response etc with your Boss - basically a lie detector for the Company. Who wouldn't want to buy that!
  • I'm not sure who is claiming to be your source of this inaccurate information.  To me it seems that 90% of your article is rumor and hear say from the internet blogs.  None of the statements are comming from the one and only team at Microsoft.  Zero.  I especially like the completely false rumor that they are dropping band because they could not get Windows 10 to run on it.  Windows is core to the internet of things and runs great on many devices, most of which the public has not yet seen.  Right now, security is the focus.  It takes time.  Don't give up.  Stay tuned...
  • Mary Jo Foley at ZDNet has also said that MS had still not been able to get Band to run W10 rather than the custom firmware it uses now. I'm sure that's not the only reason there's no Band 3 though.
  • Of course any windows shell they would want to put on it would have to be forked off of windows one core that is used in w10m but seeing as w10m is hardly gaining any traction and lack of foreseeable growth in watch wearables, it's probably not worth their time or effort to make that fork. At the same time, you never know when something hits of and it would be another short sightedness on Microsoft's part to not have any backup alternative for it. Both of their competitors in apple and google have their presence in watch wearables, car infotainment screens and TVs and Microsoft does not. It will be great if Microsoft comes up with the forked off windows 10 shell or SKU for these types of devices to be used as an un tethered stand alone device, if only to cover their bases in this competition space.
    Or they could make more continuum shells for these types of screens powered by your primary windows device like PC, tablets or phones and projected wirelessly onto these screens. We have had virtual machines for desktops for decades, why not put continuum to good use. Continuum- Turn any screen into a windows device. Hah!
  • Band 1 works for me still, only wear it when going for a run, or working out though.
  • "There are whispers internally that Microsoft is in fact looking at taking a lot of what they did with the Band line (in regards to sensors) and putting it into a new product that could possibly be released in the far future." ". . . in the far future." . . . Do you mean like, in the sense of Deep Time?  Stephan Hawinkg, geologic time?    I am conflicted about the potential over-use of "Surface" and with the worship of Panos Panay.  Well done all, so far, but there's just a touch too much looking down the nose at everyone and everything else within Microsoft.  There's a long and sad history within many corporations about this type of corporate palace intrigue. On the other hand, I do distinguish the Surface lines as products that Microsoft is committed to and will loudly and proudly support.  In contrast with Winows Mobile generally, and the Bands, which were always on double-secret probration within Microsoft.  So the company was often uncomfortable and/or reluctant to talk much about them.  Awkward.   
  • Considering even the all mighty FitBit is in serious trouble.. I think a stock drop of 80%... Microsoft may be getting out at the right time in the market and considering a device with wider appeal at a later date.
  • Any smaller company could have taken what the Band 2 offers and build on it and succeed with it.
    Microsoft on the other hand tend to approach things with a single purpose in mind, then tend to think too much of what they are offering and not think of what the market wants (band=fitness, Continuum is the future, 130$ ergonomic keyboard, What! ).
    Devices like the band 2 onward does not need its hardware updated every year but every 2 years, second: devices like this should not be signally focus, let the person that's using it determine how they should use it (entertainment, medical, or fitness). You (Microsoft) should not try to steer the person using it but enhance the experience the user wants, and make you money from that.
    Why they didn't give the PPL What they want and see an opportunity to expand this device into the medical field is beyond me. Instead of killing this device they should sell it to a third party and have them run with it. I have a feeling they could do something more providing they have the capital to make it happen.
  • "as that would be a bad move on Microsoft's part.​" - as if this ever stopped Microsoft before.
  • If one remembers back, the original band was very limited distribution and MS stated it was a proof of concept exercise. Band 2 was wider distributed and more refined but I still think a test of technologies. I believe as many now that they will step back and create the Surface type category variant that blurs where it sits in the market. Using the sensors and research they learnt from the two bands.
  • Proof of concept that, unless you were in the know, you would hand over your hard earned for yet another product test exercise. With all the issues with Band 1, band 2 should have been better than it was! Many threads across the Interweb, where posters *all* have the exact same problems, and that is not acceptable. Can you imagine Ford, BMW or Mercedes failing to take note of issues in the prior generation, and then just carrying on regardless, or releasing products that haven't been sufficiently tested? Not a good analogy, but it does highlight a point. Do you see so many issues with other fitness watch OEM's, that don't get addressed, and then reappear, or new ones introduced? Seems to be the way of MS these days. Nadella "Let's lay off R&D", "how will we know anything is any good", Nadella " We'll just sell them for lots of dollar and get the users to do it". Samsung obviously didn't quality check or R&D correctly with their battery supplier and got, rightly hammered. MS do it to us all the time!!
  • Name any wearable put the word "problem" after it and type in a search engine. You get pages of numerous problems for any product. Apple Fitbit Wear all of them. Impossible to build a perfect product at a affordable price, just keep designing out the worst of the faults you discover.
  • I hope they are still doing replacements.  For some reason, my Band 2 has stopped taking a charge.  Just sits at 0%.  Only works while it is plugged into the computer :(
  • They probably have plenty. If not you need your receipt of purchase, and if you make your point assertively, a refund usually ends up being offered
  • Who cares what it'll be called? :D I just want a new wearable from MS :D
  • So they can't get Windows 10 in a Band to work.... But they can get Windows 10 on a Raspberry Pi and on multiple USB Sticks you plug into your TV? Why do I find it hard to believe that Microsoft can't figure that out?
  • Battery life is probably the issue.
  • Both prior bands are poor, poor devices. The build quality is, erm, suspect to say the least! Battery covers shedding covering, paint around sensors rubbing off and upsetting those who exercise and have a reaction to the Nickle that reacts with salt in sweat, splitting straps, p*ss poor battery life, even with all the 'useful' stuff turned off, which defeats the object of a connected device, for example, lots of emails and notifications lead to one day battery, if you are lucky, and thats with most health sensors off, a clasp system that DAMAGES ITSELF when you remove for charging, the surround of the HR centre has rather rough edges and what seem to be almost as if someone has stuck a drawing pin in there... These are the reasons it should *never* be branded surface! After 4 band 2, and 4 band 1, I gave up with them. MS were very, very good about it and made sure I was happy with the resolution they offered. I got the impression that they had grown tired of them, and would be happy to see the back of them. In the end, I ended up with a Fitbit Blaze. 5 months in and never had a problem. Battery lasts 4-5 days, and no annoying rashes. I do miss the notifications, but apparently, MS and Fitbit are working on it. I do get to control music from it though, which is odd..... Had many updates over the time I've had it, and it's not been a problem.
  • Weird...Still rocking Band 1 since launch day and using it every day at the gym, not a glitch!
  • I feel like the band was a trial product for Microsoft anyways I bet they could release a smart watch running Windows and have a Nokia esque tile interface
  • You scream, I scream, we all scream for pipe dream!
  • Surface Wrist
  • Not having a smart watch is why I ended up having to give up my WP as my daily driver.
  • Microsoft sucks just like Apple. Microsoft kill everything she create and dont give a **** to users, Here maps work better in android than WP, "ignoring the fact that WP has just died :(
  • This obsession with "it must run Windows 10" is pathetic. It could run anything as long as it works with a phone app. Whoever is making these decisions at Redmond is a moron.
  • Microsoft should purchase Fitbit, it should be a 'steal'
  • As an elderly (79) woman, Health is always a concern. My son gifted me a Microsoft Band to monitor my sleep. That alerted me to a serious problem and as a result my HMO put me on a cpap machine and greatly improved my sleep. The band wasn't just a toy to me and without it my heart condition would most certainly have worsened. Needless to say I am very disheartened that they have killed this life improving device.
  • Assuming they do actually make a new wearable line to succeed the Band, I hope its name has Windows in there somewhere.
    "Windows Watch" has a nice ring to it.