Here are the missing features from the Nokia Lumia 730 and Lumia 830 that you may care about

Although the Lumia 730, Lumia 735 and Lumia 830 are impressive from our first impressions, as always there are a few caveats about features that are not there. Now, before everyone gets in tizzy about missing features, Microsoft obviously does this to separate out value between devices, or more specifically, the more stuff, the more it costs.

After playing around with the both phones for a little while, we have a partial list of popular Lumia features that are not available. Although these are not 'make or break' features for most people, for some their absence could be a letdown.

I'll leave the editorializing to you folks as I know you like to vent. Personally speaking, although I would like a Lumia with everything, none of what is written below is taming my enthusiasm for either Lumia. I'm of the firm belief that once you hold and use either the Lumia 735 or Lumia 830, the value and experience overcomes any features left on the cutting room table.

Lumia 730/Lumia 735

  • Glance – No
  • Double tap to wake – Yes
  • ClearBlack display – Yes
  • Dedicated camera button – No
  • Qi wireless – Yes
  • Hide on-screen keys – Yes
  • Cortana passive-voice activation – No (needs Snapdragon 80x)
  • Dolby Digital sound – No
  • Dolby Audio levelling – No
  • Dolby Dialog enhancer - No
  • Virtual Surround sound - Yes
  • Flip to silence – Yes
  • Graphic equalizer – Yes
  • Motion Data – Yes
  • Haptic feedback for on-screen keys – Yes
  • Sunlight readability – Yes
  • Battery Saver brightness – Yes
  • Brightness Profile – Yes
  • Color Profile – Yes

Lumia 830

  • Glance – Yes
  • Double tap to wake – Yes
  • ClearBlack display – Yes
  • Dedicated camera button – Yes
  • Qi wireless – Yes
  • Cortana passive-voice activation – No (needs Snapdragon 80x)
  • Dolby Digital sound – Yes
  • Dolby Audio levelling – Yes
  • Dolby Dialog enhancer - Yes
  • Virtual Surround sound - Yes
  • Flip to silence – Yes
  • Graphic equalizer – Yes
  • Motion Data – Yes
  • Haptic feedback for on-screen keys – Yes
  • Sunlight readability – Yes
  • Battery Saver brightness – Yes
  • Brightness Profile – Yes
  • Color Profile – Yes

As you can see, with the Lumia 830 you basically get everything that the high-end flagships have, except for more megapixels for the camera, 2 GB of RAM and more expensive Snapdragon processor. However, those are some nitty-gritty details that most consumers would have a tough time explaining the value of to a passerby. What matters is the core experience and from that perspective, the Lumia 830 looks to deliver.

For the Lumia 730, the biggest omission is Glance and Dolby audio support. The Dolby stuff is a big cost due to licensing, and it makes sense to cut that where possible, but the lack of Glance is a real bummer, especially since the Lumia 720 did have it. Still, users get double-tap to wake, Motion Data, ClearBlack display and lots of other perks making the Lumia 730 and Lumia 735 great values.

Does any of the above change your thoughts on either device? Where else could Microsoft cut corners to keep the price low on these phones?

Daniel Rubino
Editor-in-chief

Daniel Rubino is the Editor-in-chief of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft since 2007 when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, laptops, next-gen computing, and for some reason, watches. Before all this tech stuff, he worked on a Ph.D. in linguistics, watched people sleep (for medical purposes!), and ran the projectors at movie theaters because it was fun.

490 Comments
  • So the 830 has glance but the 930 doesn't. Interesting
  • 930 was an oversight AFAIK, one they don't want to repeat.
  • Erm a lil correction...when you said about glance screen..it should be Lumia 720 had it...you mistyped 730...last paragraph of the article..
  • T-Mobile US.... ???
  • I think its 720 there... may be they corrected it later (y)
  • This I my phone. This is the phone for me. Not small not big, just right.
  • Here, have the internet sir.
  • Once upon a time, nobody cared about glance, otherwise the N9 would have sold like truckloads. Nokia brings it, everybody thinks it's a standard in wp. I have it on my 1520 but I never actually use it. It's turned off right now. What's this fuss about glance all about?
  • To me at least is that when I'm half asleep in bed and just want to check the time quickly I can wave my hand over the phone for it instead of hunting for the power button
  • Upvote #jedi
  • I have never had glance, but seeing the feature doesn't really do much for me.
  • Double tap to wake is far more useful than glance
  • Personally, double tap to wake is the first feature I disable on every Lumia device I've used and every single time I reset them. I tend to walk around with the phone in my hand, especially when I'm walking in the street listening to music. And then suddenly my music stops because I've accidentally opened a game or an app that stops the audio playing at that moment. Whoops.
  • I've never accidentally woke my phone with double tap to wake enabled. What phone are you using?
  • I have this problem on both the Lumia 925 and the 930. But as I said, it's because I fidget with the phone in my hand quite a lot, not really the phone's issue.
  • It sounds like you may not have a password on your phone.  Also there is the matter of swiping up once you wake the phone. I agree that if you are fidgeting with the phone that much you should absolutely turn it off.  At least the handset gives you that ability. Remember the days of no configurations and llocked roms?
  • you walk on the street while u listen to music ? u belong in jail !!
  • Maybe there is something from the feature that I'm missing, but I don't find it to be very difficult to press the power button to turn my phone on. Its actually a little more secure to prevent against accidental calling and button presses.
  • Where I like it, I have it set to "peek" mode, where it uses the proximity sensor to "wake" the glance screen. I pull it out of my pocket, see the time and notification icons, than slide it back in, all without even having to hit any buttons. It's set to always display when charging, so at my desk at work as well as my nightstand, the clock and notifications are always visible. And the fact that it doesn't take up much battery life at all (standard usage varience day by day is more than the difference in power it may use. IE: I can't tell that it's using any more battery power, or saving more because the information is saved in the display memory, so the cpu is still in sleep mode when I look at the time)
  • Yea, know, I had it on my 928 and used it....but, after a month or 2 moving over the ICON, I dont really miss it that much.... would it be nice, sure but, do I need it....nah...
  • I have glance ALWAYS ON. You could just put the phone in your pocket or just flip it upside down if you care about battery life. What I mainly love/use it for is alerts. The older smartphones used to have some type of LED to let you know you have an alert without turining the phone on. Glance replaces this. Not to mention you know what type of alert by just glancing at it. Picture this: you have your Lumia on a wireless charging stand (glance on) on a table across the room while you have headphones on watching Netflix. Easy to look if you have an alert pending, ya?
  • Double tap to wake is disabled for me. I keep the phone in my pocket and have several butt dials when it's on. Tells you how sensitive the Lumia screens are.
  • I find it useful at the cinema. I can check the time without being obnoxious and lighting the room up
  • Looking at this information, it seems that for MS/Nokia, the difference between a mid-range device (730) and an affordable high-end (830) is three things: Glance support, Dolby Support, and $160 price difference It does seem that Glance is very important!
  • And a bigger screen. And more internal memory. And a much better main camera. And a metallic design (or at least partially). I'd say the $160 price difference is justified.
  • I'm glad you see it that way, but I'm sceptical a lot of people can be convinced to agree. I think it's a really nice device. I'll probably end up getting one. I just think it's missing the wow-factor that is required to get people to say yeah, this actually is an affordable high-end device and I'll be happy to spend $440 on it. The camera is the only "obvious" and functional advantage over the 730 due to having OIS, but otherwise that too is barely above what the 730 offers (at least on paper). I think this device's biggest competitor will be the 730. I think it's just too close in terms of performance/features and too far appart in terms of price.
  • Mabe a lot of peope might or might not agree with him or you, but I agree with him
  • Yeah that's how things are. You make is sound like he's not right when is the other way around.
  • But when both have same processor with same capacity & especially lumia 730 is with 5 MP selfie camera & better pixel density screen, that price difference seems to be severely unjustified.
  • Turn it on and find out. I just glanced at my 1520 and I know it is 10:57am,I have 5 Outlook Emails, 2 Hotmail emails and 2 Work emails.....I didn't have to touch my phone at all. With glance off, you have to touch/unlock your phone to get the information. Glance is for convenience. Sure, I can reach for my phone that is on my desk, even double tape the screen but I shouldn't have to, I don't want to and with Glance, I don't actually have to. Hmmmm...I just glanced at my phone again, my alarm is turned on.
  • You win! I think I like glance as much as you. I have my 810 set to display for a few seconds when I pull it out of my pocket, and always on when plugged in. At 10 pm it changes to red and doesn't bother me when I sleep. At 5 am it turns white again. I love Glance. It's one of the main reasons I'll be getting an 830 instead of a 930. This 830 is going to easily meet my needs.
  • The N9 sold more than 2 million units, with no promotion, a DOA operating system, and no support. How could have it sell, with proper promotion, with proper support and with being present in all relevant markets in the first place is something that remains to be seen.
  • And the N9 had Glance! Wasn't it the first phone with this feature. And actually a feature you could tweak as you would using apps like Billboard.
  • No, my N8 already had glance. Glance is also way better on Amoled like on the N8/9.
  • Use glance and you shall understand the fuss. I couldn't imagine a Lumia phone without"Glance." Proud 928 owner.
  • I built a matched pair of upright Lego stands with Qi pucks in them.
    When I get home I put my phone on the stand on my desk and can easily see what emails are coming into what accounts, and when playing full-screen games I have an easy to see clock. When I was running a small business then it sat on the stand at my office desk and I could easily see how many calls/texts/emails came in while I stepped into another room for a minute.
    At night it rests on the stand on the bedside table and I can easily see what time it is when the kiddos wake me up in the middle of the night so I can decide if it is time to go ahead and get up, or drag them back to their beds.
    Most of the time when I am out an about I just want to check the time, and by the time it is out of my pocket then the glance screen is up letting me know what time it is without having to press or tap anything at all. Or if it is laying on a table then just waving my hand over it tells me the time and notifications without having to fumble about with the device at all. For some of us, the Glance screen is the most-used feature on our phones, and not having it is a bit of a deal breaker. With the last few phones not having it I thought it was not going to be a supported feature going forward, so I am very happy to see it come back. If you don't want it, then turn it off.
  • A) Get a bedside clock. I've got one with DAB radio built in, and its sets the clocks time by DAB and automatically adjust for daylight savings. B) Buy a watch Really, glance is not a big deal. Seriously.
  • OK. So why buy a smartphone? A basic phone can do. And laptops are still available to play games/email/surf net and all. The point is, if you don't need glance, no need to justify yourself by saying whatever you said.
  • Not having to interact with your phone to know if there's anything new (messages, missed calls, skype and whatever else you want) makes a lot of sense. Being able to just look at it to know if there's anything new is a convenience you only appreciate after using it. Of course, you'll need it always on - battery life is not meaningfully reduced, especially if you carry it in a pocket or other closed place.
  • It is a fantastic function. That is the fuss about it.
  • When we didn't have action center, that's was my notification center...actually double tap, glance and ultra sensitive touch are my fav features (clear black to, but only 5XX doesn't have it)
  • Personally I pull my phone out of my pocket to check the time and notifications all day. With glance, pulling it from my pocket turns glance on, so I can see that stuff, put it back in my pocket, screen turns off again. Less battery than fully turning the screen on, and easier than getting pulled into unlocking the phone and looking at things.
  • Glance is invaluable to me. Being able to check the time/miscalls/texts without having to constantly turn on the screen is great in a variety of settings (when half asleep, meetings, etc)
  • I have glance on all the time in my 1520 this way if I'm in bed I can just take a look at my Lumia and se the time or during the day I just talked it out of my bag and it shows me the time :D also I can see how many notifications I have.
  • The should make an upgrade -> 930g  ( g=glance )
  • it will make misunderstanding hence 930g means 930 grams lol
  • Wrong use of the word "hence". Nice try though lol
  • well that's my bad lol
    anyway thanks for telling me :P
  • Yup, it's so annoying right now, there's no one phone that has everything. Well the 1520 does I suppose, but I don't want something that big. The 930 would have been perfect if it had glance (and well was a little skinnier). The 830 tempts me, but the passive voice stuff that's coming would be a big loss. There's always something. Well, let's hope we get a 1030 soon, that should be perfect.
  • Yes, that would finally be a complete upgrade from my 920 that fits in my pocket.
  • Yeah, I really want to upgrade to the 930 from my 920. But without glance, i will pass.
  • I'd say they wouldn't want to repeat it.....I'm going to upgrade from my Lumia 920 to the 830 because of this very reason, love glance screen, have it set so always show when charging, roll over and see time in bed of a morning, love it. Spose I could just buy a clock.....but I mean I'm not always home either!
  • The only reason I have Glance turned on all the time is because there's no blinking notification LED, and with Glance I can see if I have any lost call or pending message to read.
  • I so wish WP had LED notification as an option.
  • Glance is way less annoying if you sleep in the same room as your phone.
  • I thought they skipped it because it would make production and price more expensive? Though, yes, lack of glance kills the 930 for me.
  • So.. probably, there's a Lumia 935 comimg soon. God is good!!!
  • Good, glad the 930 was just an oversight. I won't buy another WP without glance, it's one of the best features on my 928.
  • +925. It's also the one feature that no other phones have. LG and HTC try to make similar things with their circle case and dot case, but you have to press the power button anyway so it's kind of pointless. There aren't many features to make iOS and non nokia X Android users say "cool," but this is definitely one of them.
  • Daniel, thanks for the specifics and the size the 830 looks incredible.  This phone seems to hit the spot and as I’m a “non gamer” I don’t think that the SD400 will make a difference, I have the 920 now with DP8.1.1.  The only thing that that ruins the WP experience is that the same device is different for each carrier ‘Hardware” (Apple to their credit has this locked down).  The carries should really focus on plan pricing and service and a carrier should not dictate wireless charging standards.  As most on this site would agree the built in Qi in the 830 is very welcome, hopefully ATT won't remove it.
  • Given AT&T's lackluster support for WP, I'm wondering if they'll even offer the 830.
  • Icon I understand but they had time to change it for the 930 I'd imagine.
  • Enough of an oversight to send me back to the 1020 after a week. Serious error, although I'm used to glance since the N8/N9, so rely on it instead of a watch. That and the weight and crap battery and overheating and flickering and poor camera and etc. Etc...... Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
  • You think they would make a 931 or 935  just to fix that? that would cool...but expensive.
     
  • @ Daniel "Now, before everyone gets in tizzy about missing features, Microsoft obviously does this to separate out value between devices, or more specifically, the more stuff, the more it costs." This is not entirely true (which is a criticism of Microsoft/Nokia, not your comment). The reality is that there are often compromises on the higher end models as well, like no expandable storage on ANY of the 9xx series, and no Glance screen on the 930. Also, no removable backs or batteries on the high-end models. I consider those compromises because, from a consumer's standpoint, many flagship Android phones DO have most of those features (except Glance, of course). I think this is one reason that Windows Phones have had trouble gaining traction. It's simply easier for sales associates to "sell the specs" of an Android phone. Maybe Microsoft/Nokia is doing this intentionally... you know, to leave room for its OEM partners to offer these things... but, honestly, I hate it. I always feel like I have to compromise something with a Nokia device... and it's frustrating.
  • Yeah, the "high-end budget" phone, the 830, has glance while the 930 doesn't to cut costs. Doesn't make much sense...
  • That was due to the screen used, it does not have display memory which looks like is THE pivotal component on which glance relies on. It is unfortunate they cut on glance on the 730 / 735 when the 720 had it, would have been nice to have.
  • Its due to the 1080p screen in the 930 lacking screen memory. The icon has the same issue, the two phones above have on 720p screens.
  • They're the same in all but name, 930 is the international version of the icon.
  • It is because they have different screen technologies. The 930 has an AMOLED screen and the 830 has an IPS LCD screen. Nokia said for some reason they couldn't do glance with the AMOLED.
  • Nope the 82x series has it. It's the screen memory thing.
  • 925 was also had an amoled display, as did most Symbian Nokias with glance.
  • read what AlastorX50 said...
    it's due to the lack of screen memory and not because of the screen type... the 1020 uses AMOLED and have Glance
    the 520 uses IPS and have no glance
  • My wife has a 520 and glance works just fine on it.
    1520 has IPS (and 1080p) and it has Glance
    920 has IPS and Glance
    928 has AMOLED and has glance The resolution, size, display technology, etc. does not matter at all. The only thing that matters is if the screen controller has memory or not. If it has it, then Glance works; if not, then glance does not work.
  • I have a 520, and it has no glance. Don't spread misinformation.
  • Don't kid man. 520 never had glance
  • So how come you can have sleeping screen on the n series phones with AMOLED?
  • Stop spreading misinformation. Actually, at first glance was only available on AMOLED displays and in fact required it, until nokia managed to do it on LCD displays too. The reason ICON and 930 don't have it is, according to nokia, the lack of display memory.
  • Amoled displays illuminate individual pixels without the use of a backlight. Lcd panels do not and need a backlight. You can use glance on either but Nokia chose not to include it on later lcd models because of the impact on battery life (the backlight needs would need to stay on).
  • Amoled displays illuminate individual pixels without the use of a backlight. Lcd panels do not and need a backlight. You can use glance on either but Nokia chose not to include it on later lcd models because of the impact on battery life (the backlight would need to stay on).
  • I have an 820 w/ AMOLED AND Glance.
  • It sounds like the 930 was ahead of its time, so much so that it would hinder future devices from being considered. I dunno.
  • the 1520 too is future proof. 930 and 1520 will get all the features of Lumia Denim
  • Ya, the 830 checks more 'yes' boxes on this list than the 'flagship' 930. I hope they release a new 935 that fixes these 'oversights'
  • The Lumia 930 support Glance in China
  • I think what's more interesting is that they announce this new "hey Cortana" feature but none of the two phones they announced has the ability....
  • Another marketing misstep. LOL.
  • if you see the hands on video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTcJjM5gdQ, at around 2:02 you can see in app list that it has cortana
  • They are not giving Glance to OLED displays anymore.. 930 and 730 both have OLEDS, 830 uses IPS
  • They can use it just fine, and in fact it works best on amoled displays. The reason it does not work on the 530/630/730/930/Icon is because they bought cheap displays that do not have memory (or enough memory?) on the display controller. No screen memory, no Glance feature. No other factors matter on this.
    It works just fine on previous gen devices simply because they bought more fully-featured displays that have memory. Even the 520 has it, so you know it can't be THAT expensive of a feature to add.
  • i think amoled screens dont support glance...
     
  • Now that interactive cases are supported I would rather have that on my 930 than glance!
  • Still i consider 1520 as my upgrade.
  • I didn't regret buying this beast :) even after #moreLumias at IFA
  • On att, was considering the HTC one, but this event brings me back to the 1520. Lets hope, att is releasing one more high end phone by November.
  • I have one, and really like it. The strategy may make sense. With so many people buying the 520, these are great upgrade options for the typical, budget conscious consumer. Their partners are really jumping on as well, and the HTC One is left to shine as the only new premium device this Christmas. Unless another partner wants to step up...
  • Just got my 1520 last week. Love this phone! I'll take it over any of the newer offerings any day.
  • Thinking about giving up my 1020 for the 1520 now.
  • Wait! They might release a 1530 sooner rather than later!
  • Really? The 1520 is actually an x30 device in all but name.
  • I just meant the next generation 15xx
  • They need to bring the 1520 or its rumored upgrade 1525 to Verizon, I'm so jealous of everyone else getting the 1520 and the best we have for a phablet is a Android based handset... Sad Panda
  • Panda, turn that frown upside down!  At AT&T we don't get the Icon or M8. See, we all have first world misfortunes.
  • I agree... I'm on the 1020, and am ready for a nice high end upgrade. I'm not really a fan of the HUGE screen, but MS isn't leaving me with many options. Glance, wireless charging, and high megapixel camera are absolutely mandatory. My only option still seems to be buying the 1520.3 for use in AT&T... I can't even buy the version from the carrier due to their insipid Qi crippling for no damn reason. What a mess.
  • Agreed, if my 920 were to die today then I would get the 1520 to replace it. I am looking to replace my 920 soon-ish, but am hoping for a 1525 or 935 to be released before I bite the bullet. 930 is just too chunky, and the chunk is the only bit of the 920 that I somewhat regret; plus lack of SD and Glance support on a modern WP flagship kill it for me. Also not a fan of the housing design, but I can get past that if they fixed the other 2 issues.
    1520 is just about the perfect device, but it is nearing a year old already. I know that the 1520 SHOULD get updates and support for a good long time yet... but then again look at the support that the 920 and 1020 are getting with new features now, and the 1020 is just over a year old. I don't want to jump onto a 'new to me' device that simply isn't new and will not receive proper support during the 2 years that I intend to use it. Maybe that is paranoia speaking, but phone tech changes far too quickly to jump on a year old device.
  • Sucks.... I want a phone with glance and passive voice
  • Take a Lumia 1520 ! Lumia 1520 - the year old phone that's better than every new Lumia !
  • LOL
  • It's a bit sad I think... When will we have a TRUE flagship from MS ? What's needed is a 930 with glance support, µSD support and a 50Mpx APN (1020 successor) OR 20-25Mpx with optical zoom. Keep the Qi support (instead of an addon cover like 1020) and add the last version of qualcomm's SOC. Tadaaaaa !  
  • Well, they had McLaren supposedly ready to be in the market before Xmas before.. it was cancelled. :( Hope they can come up with its subsitute very quickly.
     
  • Why did you have to remind me of that.. It's was so hard to forget that. And now it's up infront of me :P 
  • Yeah, with a price tag of $700.. Get real people..
  • What's the problem of having a $700 price tag ? In France, sim-less 64G iPhone 5s has a $1000 tag and sell... I'd be happy (and don't think I'd be alone) to spend $700 in a phone of this kind...
  • That's what flagship means my friend. Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
  • Just keep the same camera because it outpreforms everything on the market , but make it thinner
  • The 1520+930/929 were supposedly them, although the 930 was a bit late, and 1520 is starting to get old. Hopefully an 805 1530 is released.
  • add waterproof to that list and I would glady pay a stupid amount of money for this phone
  • Totally forgot that ! Agreed !
  • +1520
  • I'd rather the 1520 was a 5.5 size at most. Maybe even 5".
  • -1520... I can't go back down in size... I'm actually hoping they make a 7 inch phablet with the ability to us a stylus...
  • +Green1520
  • If only there were a smaller version...
  • If only there was a 1030...
  • Sad but true. If only AT&T hadn't nerfed it. Still it's the best phone I've ever owned.
  • looks like the 1520 will be your device once the new-new firmware hits.
  • Only if they release a Verizon variant
  • Glance! :@
  • For a phone that makes a big deal of having a pureview camera, lack of dual LED is quite poor - especially as the 800 and 820 had it
  • I hope Microsoft continues to make phones with physical buttons. Other OEM's I can understand they use android hardware, but Microsoft should have physical buttons.
  • Flagships will; budget phones likely not
  • Personally like software buttons than hardware ones. Used to software buttons in android as well.
  • Daniel which Is a better buy Lumia 730 0r 830, as I use phone mostly for music.i own an Lumia 720.
  • Comparing 720 and 730, the only thing worthwhile in 730 is ffc for selfies and the new processor imho. Else 720 pwns 730.
  • I don't understand, I find the 730 a good upgrade over the 720, well except maybe for the abscence of glance screen (really Microsoft? it's something even the 620 had)
  • There's no Dolby Audio enhancement in 730 which is a turn off.. 
  • Will they still make flagships? Im starting to worry otherwise.....What ever happened to "1525/1530"  
  • the 1520 already have the latest hardware supported by WP...  1080p screen, snapdragon 800, miracast support, sensorcore...  I believe Microsoft will launch the sucessor when they have something "new" to launch with... like support to QHD displays, 64bits cpus.. etc...
  • The something new to launch with might be Windows 9.for ARM.
  • So they have to have a new flagship coming out to support all the features of denim Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
  • Thanks, that is great news.
  • This is good strategy by Microsoft.
  • I disagree.... The ability to hide the virtual ones is amazing because you don't have to worry about accidental pushes of the search, home, or back button when your moving, trying to take a photo or giving someone the phone to view something. We have all had plenty of accidental touches out giving someone the phone and then having a mini meltdown cuz they don't know what a windows phone is or how to work it...
  • Its easier and more reliable. A camera physical button raise the possibility to mess the photo. Also hardware damage is a possibility with a physical button. I believe an all on screen buttons long last.
  • After losing my power button on a l625 with double tap disabled and nowhere to plug in the phone I the camera button useful. Home button maybe a must have feature?
  • Removing capacitive buttons is really not a big deal, especially after playing with some of my friend's android devices that don't have them. It would be interesting to see a device come to market without any buttons or ports at all. Double tap to wake to remove the power button, swipe up/down on the off screen to replace the volume rocker, and BT/WiFi file xFers to remove USB data. We already have Qi to remove the need for USB charging, BT to remove the headset jack, and miracast to remove USB video output. Just hide a recessed reset button inside of a speaker grill, and a USB 'maintenance' port on the PCB hidden inside the case in the event of needing to flash the device back to the stone-age... buttons are costly and over rated. A phone without buttons and ports could really be an indestructible and waterproof brick.
  • Nokia N9 had no buttons...
  • We need a side by side comparison of the 830 and the 930 please. Performance and looks.
  • I would like to see a head-to-head between the 830 and 920... the 830 may be the true 920 successor with a slightly better processor, slightly better camera, SD card support, and not giving up on Qi and Glance.
  • Pocketnow.com has a side by side specs comparison.
  • It's sad the 830 only has 1MP front facing camera..
  • Yahhhh i also got shocked... At least 2 mp should be there.
  • It has a 5mp front facing
  • Nope it has 0.9 , nearly 1mxpl
  • We are talking about 830 man !!!! Not 730
  • Hell, the 1020 only has a 1.2MP front camera. Which is kind of laughable considering the 41MP powerhouse on the back.
  • I don't do selfies and considering the limitations of transmitting live video, 1.2 MP is overkill for Skype. I have a 920 and love using it for Skype. It's nice not being tethered to a computer while Skyping with family.
  • Wow that's really low, why even bother with a 1mp camera. Posted via the Windows Phone Central App
  • I put tape over the front facing camera, so no bothering me on that. Wish it didn't have a front facing camera, I hate those things.
  • lol!
  • Well most of us aren't paranoid just joking (kinda) and it helps in taking selfies, but honestly snapchat or video calls. (and before I hear it I don't even sext just a fun way to keep connected to friends)
  • Microsoft may be missing the boat on the selfie craze.
  • Yeah, 1mp is silly. I was really hoping the 5mp one meant Ms finally understood. But apparently they are only putting it on one low end phone. Sigh.
  • Both look like great devices! Although I personally thought any device capable of Motion Core would also be capable of passive Cortana listening, I guess that's (disappointingly) not the case.
  • The 'always-on' listening is made possible by hardware inside snapdragon 80x series (I think it's something to do with a dedicated low power chip). The only other phone I know of which has 'always-on' hearing without a snapdragon 800 is the Moto X. the X uses a custom CPU (dual core krait + a dedicated low power core for 'always-on' function) - so I guess from a technical standpoint, it is possible for 'any' phone to have dedicated 'always-on' hearing functionality - it just needs a low power core for it. But from a cost view point, I think it's impossible for MS to add a custom core to non snapdragon 80x devices to enable this function whithout significant rise in manufacturing costs, as it means a custom chipset. The 'sensor-core' is the pedomoeter which is included in the snapdragon 400 and 800
  • I will go for 830 to replace my 720 but Cortana passive it's absent , why MS why
  • read my post above
  • Will Hey Cortana eventually come down to lower/mid end devices....oh, and the 830 lol
  • no, it won't. Only phones with the snapdragon 800 chipset (as of now, 1520,930 and Icon), has the 'always-on' listening capability. Other phones do not have the hardware.
  • I miss glance on my Icon but its not a deal breaker for me. Waiting for the miracast thing XD
  • I can live without glance, but double tap to wake is irreplaceable for me! especially on a large device like the Icon where you have to strech for the power button.
  • Ok.. I can give away Dolby.. Dying to replace my 620 :D .. Glance ya fine... Dat was first thing I was looking after 1k ram nd front nd rear cam
  • Dan, The 830's navigation keys doesn't have backlight, correct? :( Also, I think this shouldn't be there in the Lumia 830: "Haptic feedback for on-screen keys – Yes" Because the Lumia 830 has Navigation Keys, or did I understand this wrongly?
  • On screen keys. The only additional physical button is the camera button.
  • Thanks! :)
  • Don't listen to this guy. He's full of it. The 830 has a physical camera button and capacitive keys, but they're not backlit AFAIK
  • Yeah. The backlit keys are really a downside! I dont get it really! I hated the 1320's navigation keys for this!!
  • Looks like they light up to me, look at GSMArena's photos, the keys are on. The 920 turns it's keys on and off depending on lighting and settings.   http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/nokia-ifa-2014/lumia-830/gsmarena_001.jpg
  • 830 has haptic physical keys for navigation.
  • I don't care, because what features i want at this cost is what i am getting. That's it. (sorry for my bad english)...
  • I'm still holding out for Microsoft's next high end release but these are both solid devices. The missing features aren't really deal breakers
  • The only two things missing in the 730 are glance and a dedicated camera key. And surprisingly a selfie phone has no dedicated camera button. :/
  • Ya actually.,they could have ... But I guess fo lr front cam tapping on screen to take a shot is convenient rather than camera button
  • also lumia camera ..!!! :( rich capture , moment capture  
  • Daniel, on the Conversations Blog they stated that Cortana passive activation was possible thanks to the Sensor Core technology. They are wrong??? And, the Lumia 730 hasn't Qi wireless charging, only the 735.
  • You're right according to Nokia Conversations passive activation only requires SensorCore
  • If I read correctly the article about passive activation for Cortana, both SensorCore AND Snapdragon 800 processor are needed.
  • You are right on the wireless charging too but Nokia site also has an error on the wireless chatting shell. It's should be meant for 730 not 735
  • Yes, 1080p with memory would of cost more at the time or where in low supply. Nokia has their reasons.
  • Daniel which Is a better buy Lumia 730 0r 830, as I use phone mostly for music.i own an Lumia 720
  • obviously L830 is better than 730  rest everything depends on your budget both are great at their price points
  • Everything is "better" on 830 except ffc. For music specifically though, there shouldn't be a difference.
  • Daniel, if I have understood correctly, the new Lumia Camera app enhancements area also not coming to the 830? I did note, however, that Weber said "initially" in his presentation when listing the models (390/Icon, 1520) for which the app is coming.
  • Another reviewer said that it's. Going to come to 830,930,1520 and icon
  • The Lumia Denim Update provides features that are exclusive to Lumia. We always strive to bring new features to everyone, but some of which are hardware dependent and are only announced for the Lumia 930, Lumia Icon, Lumia 1520 and Lumia 830, such as the Lumia Camera. Source: http://conversations.nokia.com/2014/09/04/lumia-denim-update/
  • Great thanks!
  • On the conversations site, regarding passive Cortana it says: “Hey Cortana” Voice Activation - Gone are the days of pressing the microphone button to wake-up Cortana. Simply say “Hey Cortana” while the phone is idle and Cortana will activate.This is possible thanks to the SensorCore technology. Is depending on de sensorcore tech. No mention of SD800. so, are you 100% sure this is not available on the above devices? Not that this would be a deal breaker for me (830 has my tag on it), since Cortana is not yet available in my region anyway.
  • Perhaps they can make it work on more models in later updates?
  • without the hardware required for passive voice recognition (which is only present in the snapdragon 800 AFAIK), I don't see how it's possible to enable this feature in a future update.
  • Thanks for this article. Could you please ask them if 730 is incapable of supporting glance or that it's a business decision? If the latter, will they enable it in a later update by any chance, like they did with some older lumias?
  • No passive listening no big deal... Don't use on my android phones as well. I don't use much of voice assistants anyway so not a problem. Posted via the Windows Phone Central App
  • I will buy a 730 and I will miss glance from my 620! This is alleviated by double tap, just to glance at the time.
  • Well the 830 will be the perfect phone for me since it's got Glance. It's going to be fantastic upgrade from my 520.
  • that is going to be a HUGE upgrade :P
  • Dolby is also one of the reasons a bought nokia. I love Dolby.
  • Seems like I have to hold my L820 for another year :(.
    With no Snapdragon 80X, L830 is not at all future ready.
  • Does that 4k recording feature comes witl 830
    or rich recording feature?
  • I'm guessing both
  • i don't know about rich recording, but 4k is a 100% no. Recording in 4k needs a really fast CPU encoding and only phones with Snapdragon 800 or higher can handle that (Lumia 830 has a crappy Snapdragon 400)
  • Conversations does list it though, if I am not mistaken.
     
  • I'm getting that impression also, seems like there is as many steps forward as there is back with the 830, so I may just keep hold of my 820 for another year
  • except for the lack of passive voice recognition hardware (hey cortana!), the 830 is future ready in my book - windows phone does not need beefy hardware afterall. That being said, the 830 could have come with a snapdragon 610 to differentiate it from the budget/mid-tier lumias.
  • +820. Thank you, MS, for saving my money. :)
  • Correction for Daniel -> but the lack of Glance is a real bummer, especially since the Lumia 730 did have it. Its the Lumia 720 :)
  • Yup, spotted it too
  • Might I ask, how is the wireless charging integrated for each model? I'm guessing a thicker optional back for the 830 and a case for the 730/735?
  • Lumia 730 doesn't have wireless chatting built in but need a charging shell instead
  • Are you sure the 730 supports charging shells?
  • Wireless chatting!?? LOL
  • That 830 is sounding like a possible upgrade to my ageing 1020, all that's left to cement my choice is a camera test of that delicious (albeit) smaller Oreo!!!
  • Why does 830 again like its predecessor 820 have a bad front camera
    You give Lumia 730 a 5megapixel front camera and the Lumia 830 a 1 mp camera
    At least could have a given it a decent front camera
  • Cortana passive-voice - I've seen it mentioned that it needs SensorCore or that it needs an 80x CPU. If the 830 has SensorCore (as it has motion data), then I'm assuming it really is 80x CPU that's required? Can you confirm? Also, the slower CPU - a 400 SnapDragon, perhaps great for battery life but how does it feel in use?  On paper it's slower than my 920, but does it perform better in the hand?
  • It's faster than all Lumia devices except the 930,1520 that have 2 GB Ra and of course SD 800
  • No, the S400 isn't faster than even a 820 or 920. It will only be more-or-less on pair with 620/720 because of 1 Gb RAM. While it is "not bad" i highly doubt it's the package WinPhone needs to succeed - given the fact that this one is going against IPhone 6, Z3 galaxy S5 and others.
  • That's the appeal of "affordable high end", its way cheaper than those phones you just mentioned. If you want super high end amazing specs, go 930.
  • 930 doesn't have Glance though. If they re-released that with Glance I'd buy it...
  • Comparative reviews shows that the L630 is on par, performance wise, with the flagships of the previous generation, even with half the RAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUMMKsVmRXE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8opXHxk2GI
  • Dare100em , why ? , the 400 is a quad core , its faster than a dual core on the s4
  • My next Phone: L730 priced under €200 is a great deal
  • That's BEFORE VAT. The phone will costs you, at least, 250€.
  • That's pity. I wait for a few months my 520 is working fine
  • Glance should be included in in every Lumia. It's a great feature I use all day long every day. I would not upgrade to 930 because of the lack of it.
  • Agreed.
  • Will 920 support Cortana passive-voice activation? seems like 920 wont get anything from Lumia Demin except windowsphone 8.1.1 only
  • The Lumia Denim Update provides features that are exclusive to Lumia. We always strive to bring new features to everyone, but some of which are hardware dependent and are only announced for the Lumia 930, Lumia Icon, Lumia 1520 and Lumia 830, such as the Lumia Camera. Source: http://conversations.nokia.com/2014/09/04/lumia-denim-update/ SensorCore is ONLY available to the current Lumia Phones: 1520, ICON, 930, 630, 635 http://conversations.nokia.com/2014/04/04/tapping-into-your-phones-sensors-nokia-sensorcore/
  • Thought they said passive Cortana would come to all Lumias in Q4, hmmm
  • I'm still happy with my 930. Would I like Glance, yes (very much so). But I've been getting used to it. But ultimately, I'd rather have passive voice commands with Cortana.
  • You forgot another missing 830 "feature": No USA launch carriers.
  • The article talks about missing features "you may care about". The US doesn't care about WP and has turned its back, so MS is returning the favour
  • What about Wireless charging?
  • They have the special accessories for that: 830: http://www.nokia.com/global/products/accessories/?action=accessorysearch&product=4065438 735 ONLY: http://www.nokia.com/global/products/accessories/?action=accessorysearch&product=4128706
  • The 830 has wireless Qi charging built-in.  I don't know why there is a "Wireless Charging Flip Shell for Nokia Lumia 830".
  • I'd go with 830. I have lots of reasons. I'm not comfortable with on-screen keys. I need the dedicated camera button, glance, Dolby Digital sound, sunlight readability, medium sized screen, HD display(1080p not required), powerful processing and all else which is omitted for 730. Perhaps, I do not believe the rumour that passive listening won't be available on the s400 processor as it also has SensorCore.
  • Is a dedicated camera button that expensive to add? I understand removing it from most lower-end handsets, but from the "selfie phone"? What's next, removing it from PureView phones? I'm amazed that they didn't include it in a photography-focused device. It must be much more expensive than I have previously believed.
  • Actaully, when people hold their phone to take a selfie, they grip it with their palm and fest their thumb on the screen.    placing your thumb on the camera button, on the side, on the bottom, probably isn't a stable experience.
  • Am I the only one who wants to see a Lumia 1030?
  • Nah! There's a lot of us wanting to see the successor to the 1020 :) I still love my 1020 except that I haven't used it for a month now because of this
  • I wouldnt miss the Dolby stuff - I have it disabled. Glance and the touch free Cortana activation are worth paying for, IMO.
  • So no Lumia 730, Lumia 830 will be good, but Lumia 730 selfie will be awesome.
    Anyway I will buy phone in another six months, so there will be more phones in that time.
  • No reason to chance my 1520 :)
  • Do either/both of these have a removable battery?  That was one feature, along with the micro-SD, that I loved about the 820/822.
  • I know for sure the 830 does
  • The 735 and the 830 both have removable batterries. Not the 730 though.
  • Am I the only one who prefers non-removable batteries.
  • Nope.
  • Until phone batteries last days, not hours, I would prefer to be able to swap batteries. I had the 822 and now the 928. If the 822 battery died when I was out, I could easily swap out the backup battery that I had ready to go. With the 928, I would just have a dead phone until I could recharge it. I could carry a potable charger, but swapping a battery that is already 100% is just better.
  • Does 830 have sense core?
  • The 830 has a lot of features, given its processor not being an 80x
  • I would like one of those, if not the 1520
  • The 830 is a solid device but not a upgrade for my 925...so I guess ill pick up a 1520 in a few weeks
  • It's upgrade man , all of the features of L830 is better than your 925 !
  • I'd like to see a 930 vs. 830 vs. 820 to get an idea of what I'm ... upgrading to / missing (on AT&T). I have an HTC 8x with a dual core 1.5 processor, like the 820. The 830 will obviously be an upgrade from the 8x, though not as much as the 930 would. I'm over the shock of the 830 having a quad core 1.2 processor, and want to concentrate on "real world" side by side comparisons.
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8opXHxk2GI
    Obviously 830 will be slower than 820. Bravo, MS!
  • That's a VERY interesting video. Thanks.
  • Watch Samsung galaxy note 4
  • Let's look at the price then everything set.
  • Don't get me wrong, those devices are really nice. But I find it a bit odd to unveil passive voice activation when neither of the two devices features it.
  • I hate both these shitty phones and I won't stop complaining until I get a 5inch high end Windows phone on ATT! QHD or even 1080p, good battery life, 13,16,20+MP camera and wireless charging. Is that too much to ask for? Microsoft you are pushing us away with all these cheap phones!
  • This denim software, it supports the wireless charger to blink a light when you have an unread message. So, does the phone have an option to repeat the sound as well for an unread message?
  •  Even the Lumia 620 had glance. And the 720 had dolby support.   Microsoft ruined Nokia
  • Microsoft has nothing to do with lack of glance.
  • Microsoft are the ones who are manufacturing the phones without the glance screen.   
  • Both of these phones were designed when Nokia still owned devices.
  • No glance on 730 ? Like really ?
  • NFC?
  • Yes NFC in all models. 730: http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/device-specifications/nokia-lumia-730-dual-sim 735: http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/device-specifications/nokia-lumia-735 830: http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/device-specifications/nokia-lumia-830
  • My Symbian has glance, that's all I'm going to say.
  • +N8 lol
  • +C7 +N8 +808 PureView :) Nokia went all out with the contrast levels on the 808 screen and the most impressive implementation of Clear Black technology that I have ever seen. The 808 PureView screen punches well above its low resolution.
  • OOooh... this changes things for me. I didn't think the 830 had Qi... it wasn't in your original specs article... I may be "upgrading" my 920 to the 830.
  • I wish Nokia offered a Dual-SIM phone that supports LTE - the 635 and 735 nor any of the higher-end models are available in Dual-SIM variants . . . 
  • I almost thought 730 is the perfect phone ... but no Glance is quite a dealbreaker. I'm used to it so much that I wouldn't even need lockscreen. Also, can you please expand the list with things from Denim like rich capture etc? I am understanding that some devices will not have it but I still am not clear which will and which won't and what is the reason for the inclusion of it or the lack thereof.
  • Nothing is missing from the 830?
  • Backlit navigational keys. Boooo Nokia! :(
  • I also like the keys backlitted.
  • You did a little mistake in the end... It would be Lumia 720 not 730 please correct it. Thank you.!
  • On Verizon?
  • Actually, the Nokia 730 product page says No about QI, while the 735 page says Yes. However, It seems that the 735 still requires a charging cover, just as the 720 did. I'm not sure about the 830 - does it require replacing the default shell to a charging one just as the 820 did?
  • The 830 requires a Qi capable flip cover. No mention of a battery cover, just yet, though. http://www.nokia.com/global/products/accessories/?action=accessorysearch&product=4065438
  • Charging covers are bullpoop. And yet, the product page claims that QI is built in.
  • @Daniel correction - since Lumia 720 had it
  • Please tell me that Motion Data is Nokia Sensor Core right???
  • In essence, yes. The Motion DATA is what's stored in the SensorCore chip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJRCJEdXFNo#t=102 http://conversations.nokia.com/2014/04/04/tapping-into-your-phones-sensors-nokia-sensorcore/
  • Thank you! You saved me from insanity.
  • The best thing these people could do is to make a modular windows phone, then I wouldn't be upset with them.
  • and all Lumia phones got +sms call filter -YES BABY
  • Is the information that the 735 does not have Glance accurate? Even the 720 already hat Glance!   This would be a showstopper for me.
  • No camera button is something I will miss. Glance is something I don't use on my L720.
  • Very useful guide Daniel. Great idea for your readers!
  • My only question is, will the qi wireless charging needs a separate shell or built in already? Thanks in advance for the reply.
  • Built in
  • Well, I just saw the accessories regards wireless charging, oh well.
  • Needs a back shell
  • So, 830 doesn't have hide on screen keys, or did you miss it Daniel? And for me camera button > Glance. If I'm not wrong, camera button doesn't increase the cost drastically for OEM, does it?
  • 830 has capacitive keys, boy.
  • Then why does the check list say"Haptic feedback for on-screen keys"?
  • Checked out the photos again, it has capacitive keys, that was my bad. Still would like to know what that "haptic feedback" thing means.
  • One of this Phones is a selfie phone, so suck it up if you want all the features. For that buy the 830 or a 1520 ;)
  • Microsoft surface pro 3 available in India at snapdeal
  • Even with all the No's, lumia 730 is still a balanced phone with more value for money.
    830 even though checks most of the boxes, could have done away with dolby licensing and rich audio recording in favor of better cpu and gpu and people would be raving all over it. Microsoft needs to implement this policy to force the employees and execs who determine the specifications and price to buy and use these phones as their daily driver. Probably then they will learn the perfect balance btw day-to-day usability features and price. Niche targeting and gimmick marketing needs to stop.
  • The deal breaker is the passive voice Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
  • Great article! Just the facts, ma'am!
  • Does the 730/735 have gorilla glass screen
  • I'm sure it has GG2 at least
  • Yup
  • Love 830
  • How about Miracast? Does the 830 have Miracast? Thanks.
  • 735/730
    Glance -No
    Dedicated camera button -No
    Will I get this phone ever -No
  • Does anyone here care - No
  • Bring a 1520 mini... That would be great..!!
  • I'm impressed with 830. I am waiting for this to release soon in India.
  • I am so annoyed! My Icon doesnt have glance or double tap. My 928 did. I just feel like going from 928 to Icon all the features shoudl be there and then some. Now we have the 830 which has a battery almost as big as the Icon and a lower res screen. That battery will probably last all day! Granted, the internals from the Icon are far superior but I WANT IT ALL!! A true flagship should not be missing any features! It shoudl have extra. Okay, im done. 
  • The main feature for me would me cortana passive voice.
  • I'd go for the Lumia 830 no questions asked
  • This 830 is looking like a great replacement for my 920.
  • 830 was almost perfect interum upgrade for me from the HTC One M8 but, no passive cortana, i so wanted that.  Might have to grab it anyway while I wait for the 1030.
  • I love both phones..doesn't matter those cons..!!
  • Jst 1.2 quad core processor at almost 400 usd....doesn't seems lke an interesting deal to me.....
  • I think 830 is a good package for my 820. Passive voice activation may come to other phones too(With snapdragon 400 or 200) because earlier there was the same issue in Android but later it came to almost every phone.
    So I think MS may develop that later.
    830 is good except the screen size, which is 5 inches and I personally think that 4.5 or 4.6 inches would have been great. 5 inch screen looks a tad big to me.
    Otherwise a good mid range device.
  • did you really used the 730 on the first solo pic? nokia logo is on the side. 830 NEEDS THE 720 FRONT CAM
  • 730*
  • SEVEN-TWO-ZERO SEVENTWENTY 720 in marketing strategy, if they put ffc of 730 in 830 , they will fight each other and thus affect lumia 730 sales. each lumia device should have their uniqueness in their simillar timeline.
  • So basically the 830 is a 925 with expandable memory, swappable battery and better cameras?? I'm sold!
  • I never use glance on my 925 so I wouldn't miss it. The 830 would be a better choice for the Dolby audio though. Tmobile won't get it though, I bet.
  • 830 why not using Snapdragon 600 Quad Core 1.7GHz??
  • It seems like MM wants to spread its sales across devices. How I wish they could make a perfect device for everything. Or go with the Apple route 'release an upper mid range phone every year'. Lol.
  • But those "Dolby" things are used only when we listen to musics through headset or kind of, aren't it?
  • No actually is helpful when you listen to music directly from the phone.... High end headphones can give you true bass and stuff no matter what phone you have..
  • what if my mp3 song is in 32kbps?
  • 830 (thumbs up)
  • Can someone tell me why the phone needs special processor to activate cortana? Isn't all budget android phone can do that with "Ok Google"?
  • You're exactly right! Damn, Microsoft needs to get things done and give all the Lumias passive voice activation for Cortana! I don't even understand why they require a super high end top of the line processor to do that.. Damnit!
  • what android device has the "ok google" and its processor?
  • "Cortana passive-voice activation – No (needs Snapdragon 80x)" Ehh......
  • The processor inside it is pants. Does this clarify it?
  • Plzz...provide Dolby n Glance screen for Lumia 730!! After providing these dis phone will rock!!!
  • that adds $$$ to 730. they try to limit that in mind
  • I'll gladly take a Lumia 830! Hopefully it comes to the US!
  • I want a Lumia 1030 or a 5.4"- 5.7" Lumia 1430. I'll express interest when one or both of those arrive. Not before then.
  • 5'' is already too much, buy a 1520 if you want something that big ;) i'm waiting the 1030 too, hoping it will have 4.7'' screen :)
  • can you guys make a table comparing ..730 830 930 1520 920 and 1020 ...that would be great
  • I wish MS had introduced lossless zoom in 830 and a successor of L1020.
  • These are just more examples of the let down this event was.
  • Waiting for a 1030
  • When you say these have Qi, does it have it out of the box, or do I need an accessory? Also not sure if you put NFC in the list.
  • Glance for 930! Use on board memory, bugger battery life! Lol or make an app that shows glance like state, which turns off capacitive button lights please :/
  • This spec comparison is very handy. Any chance of one with all WP devices, at least the new batch?
  • Lumia 830 deserved to have touch free Cortana activation....
  • Has anybody noticed Lumia 730 has 720p HD "OLED" display ? OLED seriously?
  • AMOLED not oled
  • Will there be Pureview for the 830?
  • Yup
  • Also a 1080P screen, more on board memory, the starter for any flagship should be 32gig. The 920 is better than the 830 and it came out in 2012... 
  • "For the Lumia 730, the biggest omission is Glance and Dolby audio support. The Dolby stuff is a big cost due to licensing, and it makes sense to cut that where possible, but the lack of Glance is a real bummer, especially since the Lumia 730 did have it."   Do you mean Lumia 720, right ?
  • I think it was a mistake to drop the dedicated camera button from WP hardware requirements.  Pocket-to-pic is a great feature.
  • Personally i'm ok with all the other missing features in the 730, but i was really hoping for Glance support. I've been using a 525 for more than a year now and the Glance is such a unique and cool feature on Lumias that i just can't help but be disappointed.
  • I turned glance off - until it gets better there is no need for it. Swipe hand to get glance or double tap to go straight to the lock screen - its all the same thing to me...
  • Its sad these phones have such low specs. TO make it worse, the 930 still hasn't come to India. I have been waiting for that phone from so long.
  • Lumia 920 has snapdragon 800 this means it will get Cortana passive voice ?
  • Wtf ??
  • I hope L830 will be available on T-MO USA :D Recently I bought a L1520, i love the device, but is too big for me, meanwhile is perfect because there is no other Lumia with AWS support available,i has a L925 and change it for a L1520, and i really no regret about the change :D
  • My upgrade is due around December on Verizon and there isn't a high end Windows Phone out right now that I want. There's not much time left to release a good new flagship for me.
  • 830 lacks of s800, so no passive activation while 930 lacks of glance screen, so i cant feel the sensation of updated glance. I stick with my 620 :p Btw, 730 lacks of glance screen, due to its OLED display that no display memory, just the same as 930. And Oled is different with AMOLED. 620 ftw \m/
  • The new "affordable flaghship" phone is nice. But I'll pass and stick with my 1020.
  • Glance is useful to me when on charging. Else I need to wake up just to check percentage left to complete 100%
  • Biggest missing feature is not coming to the US any time soon!
  • If the price is right, I'm looking forward to buying an 830 replacing my outgoing 620 and 925, Lumia 8xx series and up have always been at least > $100 more expensive than comparable phones. I would be okay with $50 tops, > $100 was maybe somewhat acceptable for me in 2013 but not today because that's how much competing Android phones within the price range have improved.
  • The 830 is looking mighty attractive.
  • Also one thing 730 misses compared to 830 is Gyroscope. Lumia 730: Sensors: Ambient light sensor, Accelerometer, Proximity sensor, Magnetometer Lumia 830: Ambient light sensor, Accelerometer, Proximity sensor, Gyroscope, Magnetometer
  • not having those Dolby features, Glance Screen is a letdown for L730/735. better to upgrade to L830
  • Cortana passive voice not available is a deal breaker for me.
  • Is that a picture behind the settings in the small one or is just reflection?
  • 830 with IPS have glance, 730 with Oled don't? wat?
  • BTW Daniel: Thank you so much for posting this article - lots of valuable info for all of us.
  • I was seriously thinking about switching from Lumia 820 to Lumia 730 because of the dual SIM feature, but since it doesn't have glance screen, that's out of option now.
  • Is there super sensitive touch support?
  • Y Cortana passive voice activation is not possible? Even the low end Android like Moto G has passive voice activation of Google now.
    Microsoft you s*** really..
  • wow, that 830 is looking pretty attractive. really wish it (or any other recent wp release) was availible on sprint.
  • They spec'd these out perfectly for the price points.  Cortana Passive Voice might be reason enough to go with a higher end device .. I'd like to see how that works in car or outdoors ex. when I'm biking (w/phone mount).  Otherwise 830 is near perfect.
  • "Cortana passive-voice activation – No (needs Snapdragon 80x)" Daniel, According to Conversations (formerly Nokia Conversations), the requirement for Cortana passive voice activation is the Sensor Core Technology: http://conversations.nokia.com/2014/09/04/lumia-denim-update/ “Hey Cortana” Voice Activation - Gone are the days of pressing the microphone button to wake-up Cortana. Simply say “Hey Cortana” while the phone is idle and Cortana will activate.This is possible thanks to the SensorCore technology. SensorCore technology was also used in the Lumia 630 and 635 due to having the Snapdragon 400 processor that employs the same low power mode as the Snapdragon 800 and that same low power mode is what enables the always on/always listening mode via the newer hardware architecture. http://conversations.nokia.com/2014/04/04/tapping-into-your-phones-sensors-nokia-sensorcore/ I only have a few questions: 1. Was Conversations incorrect in stating that passive voice activation requires sensor core technology (Lumia 630/635 are listed in the SensorCore link above) or is it an oversight by the representatives at IFA that say only Snapdragon 800 processors can have passive voice activation. 2. If the Snapdragon 400 does indeed have the same low-power, always listening capabilities, do you think it is an intentional decision to not support the Lumia 630, 635, 730, 735 and 830 with passive voice activation in an effort to drive consumers to purchase the higher end devices? 3. IF number 2 is true about the S400 capabilities, wouldn't it benefit Microsoft more to have the awesome passive voice activation on the cheapest devices possible to give Windows Phone even more of a value to performance ratio? I like my Lumia 635 and the SensorCore tech/pedometor is amazing in such a low cost device and it would be a shame for Microsoft to simply decide not to allow the low end devices to provide even more value and awesomness when Windows Phone needs every market share increasing incentive that it can get. You are at the show and I am not so you know more than I do about the new devices but I thought I would ask as you may be able to ask Microsoft or a representative questions based on Conversation's claim and the Snapdragon 400's low-power mode. Maybe someone can look into it even if the reps have been told that only Snapdragon 800 processors have this ability.  
  • Does the 830 have LTE bands for AT&T US?
  • How are the base internals "some nitty-gritty details that most consumers would have a tough time explaining the value of to a passerby?" If someone asks me what it means, I can easily say, "your pictures won't be as clear, multitasking might get slow at times, and the device will not be as fast or responsive, especially when gaming." Most customers will understand that just fine, even if those aren't the main concerns of the person. Here's the real thing to be concerned with: Why on Earth would anyone take one of these on-contract when the Icon and 930 exist? Stateside, the only way this appeals to a person if the person is adamant about getting an WP8 device but hasn't owned one before, the person doesn't want the supersized 1520, and the person cannot move to Verizon for the Icon, which is substantially better, but not much more expensive. Damn, I REAAAAALLLLY hope that the 930 comes to AT&T. I don't know WtF I will do otherwise.
  • Why tho over the 930/Icon... MicroSD.
    The real question is why would anyone choose tho phone over the HTC One.
  • Glad to see all those features on the 830... but I'm still pissed that it's 5" and a little let down by the SD400.
  • I never liked onscreen buttons. It is great to see 830 doesn't have one.
  • iam not going to buy this phone because of this  non Glance iam getting angary 
  • Keep a password lock simple as that! Same thing happened to me so I locked with a password.
  • Nokia Lumia 730/735 doesn't has a Qi wireless feature according to official Nokia page
  • I wanted glance in 730
  • Daniel, I know you are around a lot of Microsoft/nokia folks this week. Is there any rumor of a 1020 replacement in the near future?
  • What about the sensors in 730 ? I hope they are not like 630
  • No Cortana
  • So Glance on Lumia 730 is because its a midrange phone. how much will cost will it add to use a screen with display memory if its that? and what the Heck, a camera button is too costly to manufacture that it will substantially increase the phone price?????? Funny, strange, depriving users on such things just to classify a midrange to highend is strange. what is even stranger is that the older generations like even L620 have it. So it seems i have to wait for some more years to actually buy a phone thats worth the price and still class apart.
  • Guys, I think you are wrong. The man on the event used the 830 for the demo of passive voice activation for Cortana.
  • Either have the new broadcom chip?
  • Great new phones but for people (like me) who won't be changing devices soon (because, for example, they paid a lot for the prvious one) the news is the Denim update. Personally I havent heard of it and I would like to know, when will it be available through the Developer Preview program.   Sorry, I forgot that firmware updates do not come through the Developer Preview program.
  • So all of what they touted in the coming features of Denim can't even be used on these new devices. Another screw up from MS. Guess they expect HTC to be the only flagship type phone. Love my 920 but want a new phone to upgrade to. A year old 1520 is not the answer.
    You have the Note 4 & Edge just announced with new iPhones next week and MS only has mid range.
    Ridiculous.
  • I think they both look to be great value price phones. I personal stopped using glance and double the AP to the wake. Using a
    1320 right now and miss
    QI that I had on my 822, but only started using that but cause of the mini USB issues. Sometimes I wonder if developers and manufacturers read these forums and think "holy crap, the WP market can find the bad a in anything, lets pass" I would put these phones up against most androids in the same price point and realize all things said, the phones are amazing for the price. Especially considering the fact that quantity sold is far from what would be seen in the AOS market. The other guy eat thing is the phones will still be relevant a year from now (I would be using my 822 if its screen were larger). My point? I have no idea.
  • Good to know the mini USB issue wasn't just me. I had to get a replacement a few weeks back because it was loose.
  • For the record, not guy eat, great
  • Does lumia730 has gorila glass 3??? Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • Gah... I sure hope that when a 1030 eventually comes along it incorporates ALL of the features of the 930 + ALL of the features of the 808 running on whatever the latest and greatest processor is at the time. That and that alone is a true flagship in my eyes. Even if that means it costs £800. Until that day comes, I'll stick to my 1020. Nokia/MS need to stop shooting themselves in the foot. Stop leaving things out. Give us geeks (and the rest of the world) something to drool over. It shouldn't matter if they don't actually sell many... The halo effect would bring much more interest to the rest of the range.
  • I missed the 1030 announcement, can u enlighten everyone please?
  • I really wouldn't miss glance with the Lumia 730 because I don't have it on my 520 neither. The thing bugging me though is that passive voice activation isn't available for the 730 nor the 830, I would've loved to have it. 
  • I like the 830 very much but the lack of Cortana passive voice activation feature is a big no no for me. But for the rest i love it. I really dig the design. I actually have a 720 wich I love, but the 73x design it's not for me.  
  • Daniel did you get a feel for how much faster the camera is with Denim? In particular, I'm curious to see how much faster the camera app launches and how quickly it is shot-to-shot.
  • HTC Desire 820 mighty be a better option IF they slap WP in it. Dual sim with lte capabilities, 8 MP ffc so that NSA can see clearly what I am up to. Edit: Does Windows Phone support 64 bit architecture?
  • I thought that I read that the stage presenter called Cortana to life on the 830 from the stage.  This article says that this feature is not present on the 830.  Can you double check? Thanks.
  • Hi I am sold for the 830 except one thing, does it have the same display tech on the 1520? The tech that is able to individually control pixels for outdoor visibility?
  • Daniel, am I mistaken, or does the 830 (and 73x) as announced not have the LTE bands needed to work in the US? If that is the case, do you think they're going to release variants that do have those LTE bands?
  • I created a suggestion on Uservoice asking for "Hey Cortana" on every device with Sensor Core. I think it's better to make it clear that we want this feature on every device that can support it. http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/101801-feature-suggestions/suggestions/6393898-make-hey-cortana-available-on-every-device-with
  • It would be great to turn this into a chart for the entire Lumia range, including 920, 930, 1020, and so on.  For users of the 920, such as myself, this would help me decide if I should upgrade now to the 930, or wait for the next flagship.  (Oh, and SensorCore and Memory Card slot should be on the chart.)
  • Then again, there's always these charts as a basis:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Lumia_series
  • No camera Button is perfect, pressing it while taking a selfie could end on a shaky photo.
  • Would be real nice to consolidate this for all Nokia Lumia models into a large table and see how older models (i.e. 800, 900, 710, 920, 1020) perform against time and these newer features... OK, maybe only WP8.x devices...
  • 830 not using SD800/1 is still disappointing, rest all best.
     
  • It's as if Daniel needed to explain to his petulant children that you don't get everything you want for free or cheaply.
  • Great design on both - Yes :D
  • No
  • Oh, and an OLED display is missing from both. That's a bummer.
  • Still happy with 930s 1080p screen 20mp camera and snapdragon 800 :)
  • Good to see 830 will have built in qi wireless charging
  • So dam true..Qi wireless charging for everybody.
  • So does that mean my lumia 820 will not be able to get passive cortana function????? of course when lumia denim arrives....
  • Proximity Glance would be possible on 730 & 930.... Here's hoping
  • 830 also doesnt have wireless charging
  •   Nice update ..cant wait for your full review and daily driver experience. Thanks for staying up to give all the news there..you and your crew be safe.     Daniel Rubino
  • Glance is easily the most passively used feature on my L920. I was disappointed to hear the L930 wouldn't support it, but wouldn't consider it a dealbreaker. I think I prefer AMOLED to LCD screens anyway. I was prepared to sacrifice glance for a better processor, double the RAM and a better GPU, then along came the 830. At that price point and given the available features, it certainly is tempting.
  • Hey Daniel Rubino,I saw on another site that the 830 wasn't coming to the US. Can you find out anything on that? Thank you.
  • New devices released in 2014 with less than 2GB should not be considered "flagship", even if you stick the word afforadable in front of it. Same goes for devices without 802.11AC. I know most people don't have AC routers, but if you're using such an old chipset that it doesn't support it, your device is not a flagship, it's a midrange device. Not supporting all the latest features you announced at the same press event is another "not a flagship" sign. The only reason Microsoft called the 830 and "afforadable flagship" was the cancelation of the actual flagship device they were going to announce.  So, there's no Nokia WP flagship for this holiday season. No 1020 like device to attract potential buyers (who might then choose the more affordabale option)
  • So the 830 is just a little better than the 920? I currently have the 920 and I just noticed the Cyan update is available! If one does not play games, how will the 1GB of RAM affect everyday use? I would think you will see the "Resuming..." message just as often as you do on the 920?   Thanks for your comments.   -Rich
  • Miracast?
    When on AT&T
  • Seeing how Nokia REFUSES to release a 900 and 1000 phone with an SD card I might have to settle for 830. It seems decent enough. 16GB + SD slot sounds very nice. Removable battery is a great bonus too! I'll wait to see how 1030 and 935 will look like, but if those two won't have an SD-card slot as well then I'll be getting 830. Sd-card slot is just too important for me.
  • Thanks for the author of this article because it is these details highlighted in this article that are very interesting, for instance whether or not the glance is available.   I think Microsoft did a great job concerning the software improvements, especially concerning the speed at taking pictures and these software enhancements will be available to all previous Windows Phone users, that is the best news really.   I would have loved to see the successor to the Nokia 1020 but I assume the wait should be worthwhile later on.   I am pretty confident that the Windows Phone OS is now since version 8.1 a better OS than Google Android and possibly also Apple iOS concerning its ease of use, user-friendliness I could say, not to mention the many features provided.
  • Lets see, one phone doesn't have Glance and Dolby Digital and both don't have hands free Cortana becuase of out of date Snapdragon.  Still can't recommend buying these.  They are out of date and the update path MS has leads me to believe these phones will be Lumia 900 orphans when they don't get WP9. I want to give MS my money but they keep telling me they don't want it.
  • No Glance, no sale.  With a Notification LED on the Handset one of the most requested (and ignored by MS) features on the UserVoice site, if they then take away Glance, your Phone is basically a lifeless Brick that you have to keep checking. Other than the Screen lighting up for a few seconds, if you miss a Reminder, that's it, you're none the wiser until you check it. If you're in an enviroment where you don't hear the sound..also screwed. At least the 830 looks interesting, after waiting two years for them to come out with a handset that has all the features and more of my 820. They've always tended to leave something out (sd card, glance etc).
  • The 830 w/ the snapdragon 400 is merely a competitor to the Moto G with a better camera... there's a huge space in between the 830 and the 930 where the mid-to-high range phones rule. Nokia missed a sweet spot there which is easily filled by other manufacturer's old high end devices =(...  
  • 730 = epic Hardware fail
    Why ? Because it has no glance !!
    That was the reason why the 930 was such a epic fail too...no glance. So basically the 730 is comely useless... Thanks ms/nokia.
    So there is only one. X30 phone you can recommend, the 830, everything else is useless because of no glance and no nled !
    Really what's the problem MS ? Don't buy a 730 it's useless !
  • 730 = epic fail
    No glance and no nled = epic fail
    Every x30 Lumia except the 830 = epic fail Thanks for failing MS Nokia
  • Tbh I'd trade glance and more for ' hey Cortana' support, which I'd actually use a lot in the car.
  • So.....Icon/930 or 830?  Seems like you get more bang for the buck with the 830.  Just wish it had hands-free Cortana and a slightly better rear camera.
  • No glance = epic fail
    The 730 is useless without glance
  • Test
  • No glance = epic fail
    The 730 is useless
  • I don't really care for Dolby, but I really care for the camera button. I think just the 500s and 600s should lose it (if any). The 830 is a winner though: Glance + Camera button + exchangable backplates + capacitive buttons + microSD.
  • the only thing i don't like is, for the 830, is the 5" display, why so big? why not just 4.7"? that's my only dislike about this two
  • Do these phones come with Sensorcore? I'm thinking by February when my upgrade is available, I will upgrade to the 830, might even be free on contract by that point. My 822 is still running really well. Sucks that some of us are still waiting on Cyan when now Denim is announced ... hurry up Verizon!!!
  • I don't know what i m missing, but wasn't Cortana passive voice activation demoed on Lumia 830? Then how it comes to be a 'No'???
  • A little provocation …
    When it comes to smartphones, three are the most relevant fundamental features:
    - astonishing design
    - Glance
    - Cortana passive-voice activation
    None of the new Lumia have all The Three of them!
    The L930 lacks Glance (dear Microsoft, I love you, but what were you thinking about when you made that poor decision?); has the other two.
    L830 is extremely beautiful. It has Glance (... of course it has, should we ask?), but no passive-voice activation. Shame.
    What about the L730? Well, it lacks all the Three. Please, I know, you like what you like, I respect that, but let’s say the truth: the design of L730, as that of L920, isn’t good ... no matter how we can love them.
    ... end of provocation.
    More seriously: Microsoft, you can think about an “affordable flagship” when you first have a real “flagship”, more than one actually. Than you can play the game of spec as you like for the “affordable” range; without losing market share.
    PS: sorry for the bad English
  • The 830 is looking even better. Posted via Windows Phone Central App
  • I was totally impressed with today's more Lumia announcements except some disappointments: 1. If Cortana passive-voice activation needs SD80x processors besides SensorCore to work, then all Lumia up to L830 are not going to get it..wtf. 2. 1 MP front facing camera on L830..why not 2 MP 3. No dedicated camera button on L730/5 4. No SD 800 (at least) for L830.  But I have a gut feeling that even with a LITTLE short coming  L830 is going to be a next big hit at mid range like L520 at low end "if it's rightly priced and released as TRUE UNLOCKED GLOBAL PHONE" across all regions and NO hardware customizations except GSM/CDMA are done.    
  • Tmobile and Microsoft seem to be missing a great opportunity with not realeasing the 735 or 830 on tmobile in the US. Tmobile is the uncarrier and does pricing on phones closing in line with europe and everywhere else in the world where the device isnt tied to the contract.
  • I want an 830! 6 months until my upgrade with Verizon
  • I wanna 1030 with 41MP camera. 
  • is Lumia 830 have 2GB of RAM? Nokia.com says 1GB Ram
  • Why on earth did they take out glance screen from the 730? That is a big let down which woudl not save much costs anyways.
  • Glance is awesome. Cant imagine buying any phone without it. Will these new phones have sensor core?
  • Wooow, GLANCE, wow. How can people live without it? How can they press a button every time they want to check the time?! And not rebel to this atrocity?! Wow. I also wonder if there is life after glance...  [sarcasm]
  • Dolby sounds may be lind of big....even my 620 has......
  • i have been avidly reading all the articles emanating from the release of these latest Lumias and while I regard myself as being far from the standard nagging poster, who constantly complains, I must admit I'm baffled by Microsoft's thinking.  It seems the company specialises in taking a step forward, and more often than not, taking two or three steps backward. I'm a Nokia Lumia 720 user and the deficiences of the phone are obvious. All Microsoft had to do was increase the RAM and processor speed and it would have been golden. As it is, the loss of of physical keys,Glance and Dolby cannot be compensated for by the addition of the larger front-facing camera. I'm really confused now, as I have been waiting for this phone and I must admit to being disappointed. I might consider the 735 because of the inclusion of the 4GLTE,though. It is all just a bit underwhelming. P.S, Mr. Rubino,please, could you do a side-by-side comparison of the classic Lumia 720 against the new Lumia 735 when the dust settles? Thanks in advance.
  • I have to agree with Games Goblin, putting the same processor in the 830 that is in the 635 (a phone that can be had for 99$ from the Microsoft store) is not a good move. Even though the 830 has many enhancements they should have at least gone with a 610 to show it was a upgrade from the low end phones. I just bought a Moto G LTE as a backup phone to my 820 (it uses the 400) so for now I am staying with my 820 unless they drop the price of the 830 a bunch.
  • I currently have an HTC 8x. I'm thinking about buying a 635, for a hundred bucks, on Amazon. Until I can get a 4.7 / 5 inch Snapdragon 800 phone on AT&T, I might be using a "backup" phone with a Snapdragon 400. I just can't see wasting a two year contract on an 830 with a Snapdragon 400. Maybe the 635 will get me by until more phones come out in 2015.
  • No one is telling that the Lumia 730 actually has an OLED display. It is a great feature considering Windows Phone UI.
  • OHK...so i want to buy a new windows phone....and some of the requirements for me are- 1. screen size as small as possible....i dont prefer large screen phones(without compromising on the following features) 2. good primary camera and a decent secondary camera......not great but at least a good one(psst..something like the lumia 720 camera...) 3. price is not a problem 4. as thin and light as possible... so can anyone suggest a phone according to my preferences......i am thinking about 730 but it has a 5mp secondary camera....which is not much of a concern for me...and also it has dual sim which,for me, is not required at all....WHAT SAY GUYZ??   
  • lumia 1520 rocks
  • I didn't think Glance was that big of deal until I didn't have it anymore.
  • Just do it!!
  • Nokia X has glance, that's all I'm going to say
  • I'm only interested in the 730 but I am confused! According to conversations.nokia.com it says it is available on the 730 dual sim. I want to upgrade from my 720 that is running the latest 8.1 Black update but the screen is horrible being LCD. So who is correct? From Nokia's website: "Glance Screen – Compatible Lumia devices can now show more at a glance with Bing Weather, or Bing Health & Fitness data, in addition to time and date, notifications and application data.
    Lumia Denim Update will ship with Lumia 830, Lumia 730 Dual SIM and Lumia 735. For all other Lumia Windows Phone 8 smartphones, the update will start rolling out during Q4 2014, following partner testing and approvals.
  • lumia 735 has lumia camera or not ..???
  • lumia 735 has lumia camera or not ???
  • Lumia 730 should have been equipped with a camera button as it is being marketed as a selfie camera phone.
  • for me, it was really the dedicated shutter button... :(
  • Why thet not provide glance..... Really we need it in 735
  • Or 730 alsp
  • Windows and Nokia website says that Glance screen is available of Lumia 730. Here are the links http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/mobile/support/product/lumia730-dual-sim/...   http://www.nokia.com/ng-en/support/product/lumia730-dual-sim/smartguidan...
  • The glance feature was available on the 720,right?The 730 has got to get it.
  • I'm hoping that my next Windows Phone will be a Lumia 830. Or its successor.
    I currently have a Lumia 635.
  • The 735 would be the perfect windows phone if it had a dedicated camera button and glance screen. I don't understand why Microsoft decided to get rid of them. They should be standard on every windows phone
  • I'm on verizon (for now) and was considering the 735 which is suppose to come out finally. Lack of a glance screen kills the deal for me.