Lately, Call of Duty Ghosts has had their guns pointed at the Xbox One – or at least that is how many people around the web have felt. With news that Microsoft’s Xbox One won’t be running the game at native 1080p, and instead a lower 720p, there is question of how the console will be able to handle gaming in the next 5-10 years (the predicted lifespan of the unit). Eurogamer decided to sit down with the developers of the upcoming Call of Duty and see what their explanation is.
Mark Rubin, one of the developers, sat down and explained that the problem had to do with the console’s Operating system. He explained that when using the memory and CPU, it is important to know what portions are in use and not being used internally for the operating system’s background features. Infinity Ward must work around allocations given to it by the system itself.
In regards to why the upcoming hit launch game for the console is running in 720p on the Xbox One and 1080p on the PlayStation 4, Rubin says he can’t “point to one particular case”. He stated that Infinity Ward tried to make the best decision for each console to obtain 60 frames per second.
When asked whether or not the result of the lesser frames on the Xbox One was due to the PlayStation 4, Rubin did not give an exact answer. He simply stated, that they wanted each console to achieve 60 fps and that due to the system’s allocation – Xbox One landed at 720p. He did note that they had it running at 1080p, but the frame rate was not “in the neighborhood we wanted it to be [60 fps]”.
In the end, future updates that help to relocate system resources may be the solution for Xbox One, but the extra side features and multitasking may be pulling the console down when it comes to full 1080p HD gaming.
For now – are extra features, like multitasking, worth a downgrade in game quality?
Source: Eurogamer
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Xbox One's extra features may be bringing down its gaming quality
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Just in the news there are several complaints about ps4 framerate issues. Sometimes the game comes to a crawl.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2013/11/05/reviewers-are-reporting-frame-rate-problems-with-call-of-duty-ghosts-on-ps4/
Looks like xbone will be better for COD Ghosts! I will take framerate everyday over lag!
I actually think this is more a issue of dev error and not the Xbox one. But it is what it is. Let the gaming begin!
That's actually good news. If the problem is in the OS, then it is a software fix, and not a hardware limitation. I'm sure that Microsoft will be making OS improvements continually.
No question the main point should be about games on the Xbox one, everything else second. If the TV, multi tasking features will put a major performance hit on gaming, this will be a big issue for a lot of users, including me.
I'm not taking today, OK, a little disapointed a little bit on the top AAA game new release for the brand new, most expensive console can't even do 1080p but, I am talking 6-8 months the line. If we are seeing games in 6-12 months hanging at 720p (as others get it at 1080p) because the overhead of the other feautres on the console and the fact that Microsoft QUOTED that this system is 4K ready but, if it can't even do 1080p, This will be a epic failure.
Yea, I ordered a Xbox one and looking forward to getting it but, the fact of the matter is, the Xbox One is a gaming console in my mind FIRST over everything else.
Personally, I can't believe after the hype that has been put out on these systems that this is even an issue at this point...
I just hope this is completely resolved through some minor updates....This should be a non-issue at this point. This is starting to be a failure on the Xbox one and a lot of bashing is coming down because of it..
Its a non-issue. Lets just move on from the constant articles about COD running @ 1080p vs. 720p. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
If someone is ready to buy a console, lets just say a family, average consumers. Telling them, "Hey! Get a PS4 its graphics are better, plus it runs COD at 1080p, the Xbox One has to upscale it to 1080p, which isn't the same as native resolution, see when you............" and you already lost them. Your speaking a foreign language basically. Then if we get more technical, speaking about the strengths and weaknesses of GDDR to DDR, you mind as well be an alien.
However, if I approached them and spoke about how the husband could run a NFL game next to his Fantasy Team, kids playing hands free, video chatting with friends/family, plus all the cool games it'll have, the value goes up. The next question will be, "So, does the PS4 have so same features?".
Of course, the lower price will entice alot of people. The gaming community, however makes up a small percentage if the overall sales. We a small, but vocal bunch. When you reach into the $400-$500 dollar bracket, value or features starts to take precedent. My own sister wants a Xbox One, strictly so my nephews can interact with it without controllers. This game running at this resolution versus this game and so on, is a not a factor. It's the experience and how it ties into your lifestyle/family.
Companies like Apple don't sell specs, they sell an overall experience. I think MS is wisely choosing this path for their products, because a spec war is not going to make it this generation. Times have changed. Gaming can be done (and is) on phones, tablets and many consumers are quite happy with that. So, what else do these consoles bring to the table? Why should I put this under my TV? What else will it add to me entertainment? How can it make my life easier? Those are the type of questions that'll be asked, not "So, does this years COD run at 1080p?"
I'm just gonna lay this out there cause i've read alot of these comments, not only do i have a background in computer science but i'm a hardcore gamer. And by the comments i've yet to see anything that resembles hardcore gaming. If ANY of you ever been to a MLG event where the pros play, they use headsets for surround sound and 23" monitors. NOT tv's. And those monitors you CANNOT tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. You probably cant tell it on a 50" let alone a 23". I happen to play my xbox exclusively on a monitor. Anything bigger and you have to physically turn your head to see the entire screen which takes away reaction time and it also makes it extremely hard to be accurate with aim. Nobody that is any good plays on a 50" tv. If you play on one your not good plain and simple dont talk to me i dont care. I've played against pros and i've beat pros and been beaten by pros and you will never find a pro playing a FPS on a 50" tv except if hes screwing around. That being said no hardcore gamer gives a crap about PS4 being able to run 1080p because most hardcore gamers do not care about graphics in the slightest. Thats the last thing they care about. Now the features on the xbox have nothing to do with hardcore gaming i will give you that, but alot of the hardcore gamers would love to be able to get tv features while they are waiting on matches to come up, and they are also posting videos and doing tons with their friends.Xbox is better at all of this, dont tell me to define better PS has never been good in the dept. And still isnt and xbox is only getting better, So microsoft is covering all basis, you might get a few hardcore gamers that buy a PS4 but none of my friends have ps3 even only people that bought the ps3 were using it for a blu-ray player and all the online games which is what hardcore gamers play are better on xbox because of the xbox live features which are miles better than PS. We dont care about 1080p never have. Dont care about 4k either. If i get it then great, but if you've ever seen any of that on a 23" monitor it all looks good on a screen that small. So yeah id rather have 60fps and 720p cause 23" monitors dont know the difference. Xbox will sell just fine once everybody realizes all the games look exactly the same on their pro monitor.
I can't help but roll my eyes at how much people are obsessing over this. Sure, the PS4 is pushing out higher rez and what looks like slighly better shading on its port of these games. If pixel peeping on a cookie cutter FPS running a last gen graphics engine is your thing, I think Valve has a box they want to sell you. I'm sticking with the Xbox One for one: overall experience & quality of the software built into the console.
I had a PS3 for 2 years and hated using it, the UI was awful and the features were half baked, the social experience was subpar, everything about it was a drag to use. Switched to an Xbox 360 and never looked back. The software was much higher quality, the UI was much better, and the features worked much better. I don't trust Sony as a company to make UI & software that is high quality, period. I am fairly certain that Microsoft will come out on top with the overall experience, an experience that will only improve and evolve too! The quality of games will always vary depending on the developers, but the quality of the box & the experience itself is determined by one company.
would like to see a result of the blind test and how many of you would find out which is PS4 and XOne :)
Well, I wouldn't call that remotely accurate. I wouldn't go even near comparing WiiU and Xbox One in this generation. Sure, PS4 will be running the top games at higher res and FPS than Xbox One, but short from exclusives (in which I think Xbox One has far better ones, but thats preference), Xbox One gets the same top title multiplatforms and they will be running just fine.
But I guess you may be right that Xbox One and WiiU might be more appealing to the customer who looks for something else than the same old we have had for a few decades with just better graphics, but at the same time Xbox One is still similar enough to the PS4 that it has a lot of these "core gamers". 360 and PS3 had the exact same setup, 360 was less powerful, it didn't stop it from outselling PS3 in just about every quarter :P
Also, as PC gamer, I rather use Windows 8 for that than Windows 7. Windows 8 is much lighter, has the same features and more of them and personally Windows 8 hasn't had trouble running anything I've thrown at it, but I guess for some games Windows 7 might be a safer bet, but I guess most games are starting to work on Windows 8 by now anyways too.
In other words the ps4 is more powerful
I'm disappointed in the non 1080p for the community, but to me I can care less, I play on a competitive 24" screen setup. 720 vs 1080 isn't that noticeable to me.
Sounds like another thing blown out of proportion to me. I found this interesting - http://m.oxm.co.uk/65474/native-1080p-on-xbox-one-is-very-possible-says-...
Hmm lets see..
Sony has Naughty Dog (Uncharted series and Last Of Us)
Also they had Infamous series exclusive.What did Xbox have?Now Infamous Second Son is coming to Ps4 and the future is bright with Uncharted 4.
PS4 wins it hand down.
RIP Xbox.
Halo? Dead Rising? Fable? Titanfall????!!!! Killer Instinct )arcade junkies are excites) Quantum Break??
Stop speaking out your ass lol
Halo is dead.
So is Dead Rising.
Titanfall is multiplatform.
Killer Instinct is mediocre.
Quantum Break is just hype, most people won't buy into it like with Alan Wake.
Fable is great though.
Not exactly true. Titanfall is a Xbox, PC version exclusive, will not come to PS3/PS4...
@flagz what i am talking about is the future..like Rubios said pretty much all games are done with xbox 360.
While Ps4 has all the hit games sequels lined up (And by hit games i mean HIT GAMES LITERALLY LIKE A 10 ON 10)
You guys should honestly go watch Infamous Second Son trailer first.
Uncharted 4 is definitely coming and hope Last Of Us will make it too.
i did watch the trailers as ill most likely be getting a PS4 after the holiday season.. I do perfer the Xbox titles because I honestly love Halo, and Fable since the first of thier kind. Day one on every game tbh. Whatever the console wars hold, which i dont usually get involved with, I know my Xbox One is a must buy and im not gonna regret it at all.
I don't have the time to play games every week (nor do i want to these days) so I really want more from a console than just games. So personally i don't care if i loose some graphics to get a console that does a lot more than just games.
Sony's PS4 may have bigger numbers on paper but Microsoft has designed better technology. I've got two X1's on preorder, it's all good.
If the Xbox One sacrificed multitasking, I probably wouldn't have ordered one. Despite what the gaming community would have anyone believe, the Xbox One will have a larger market than it would of it were purely focused on gaming performance. And lets not forget that this is one developer for one title. There is a good chance that they aren't leveraging the platform to its fullest given that this is a new release on a new platform. For all we know, they developed the game for PS4 and then tried to port over the code to Xbox. Time will tell but from what I understand, the PS4 actually has more RAM dedicated to the core OS than Xbox does. When other titles are released for Xbox One that are more on par with its capabilities, developers will step it up. Not worth it to jump to conclusions over one title though.
That is the big issue here. some people, like myself, buy a game console for it's primary use GAMES.
The other features are 2nd to me, sure they are neat but, about 85-90% of the time using the system will be for games so that should be the top and everything else second...
A few things, one its not just a gaming console. Two I highly doubt when I'm playing cross platform games I'm going to notice the difference of the resolution on games that gave been upscaled without pausing and analyzing against two big screen tvs with the exact same settings. Three, people spend hundreds of dollars on tablets and laptops that last a couple of years, so the gripe about the cost of a console that does as much as the XBOX1 that will last me the next 7 years is ridiculous. So much fanboy bitching lately.
No worries. I'm getting the xb1 for the entire experience. If you want something that offers much less get a PS4.
Has Microsoft had anything to say on the matter yet?
By the looks of things, my keen eye spotted that the PS4 seemed to running at a measly 59fps!! I sense a boycott :P
That's one of the reasons I am getting a PS4, 720p is not an upgrade, technical reasons and excuses are not enough.
One spec out of many, 1080 or 720.. Not that big a deal guys... Srsly. But hey, its your choice..
This won't affect my decision. I'm likely to buy both just because. I won't buy either before seeing them in action with my games of choice, though.
Sooo, people can't live with good game play, a superior online experience, advanced communication features, voice and motion commands if they can't play a game(s) at 1080p?
THEN DON'T BUY THE XBOX ONE...my recommendation to all the "Doug & Wendy Whiners".
I get a trip out of these posts. This is a brand new, unrelease top end console, that you are paying $500+ for. You should not only to want 1080p, you should EXPECT IT.
Sure everything else is great but, if you cant play games with the best experience possable, it's a problem.
I feel like this is more about growing pains and 3rd party devs have to become more familiar with the hardware. Laziness on the dev more than the console imo.
You nailed it.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2012/03/xbox-more-...
I think the issue is the CoD engine not taking advantage of the multiple cores ability just like when they first came out for PC and many programs were not ready.
I don't own a 1080p television. So this doesn't bother me. By the time I purchase one, I'm sure games would be optimized
I'm no gamer, but I think the Xbox One sounds more enticing, at this point. Granted, a large portion of that is my love of MS talking, but seriously, all the extra features look kickass. I like the idea of multitasking, SmartGlass, not to mention I love the Metro UI! Oh, and who can forget Kinect?
To me, it seems like the PS4 is meant for all the truly devoted hardcore gamers (granted, I thought that's what PCs were for, but again, I'm not much a gamer). And while Sony is trying to capture the gaming market, Xbox One is trying to be a single solution, a sole entertainment device for all your coach potato needs. I don't plan on buying either (I'm still broke from my Surface Pro 2 purchase), but seeing as I'm not a gamer, I think the Xbox One looks far more interesting, I like the idea of having one console to do everything TV related.
Then gain, Microsoft is running a special promotion with Doritos and Mountain Dew, and I've already started saving up codes. Maybe I'll get lucky and win one of these fiend devices? ^_^
Even through, whatever the article says, is only one factor of in the whole universe of gaming. I mean how could MSFT miss this point? From what I know there is no space for error, look back to 2006 the first generation of Xbox didn't have HDMI , and by no way it this 720p error can be justified just for snaping apps into the screen at the same time, if the X1 cost 100$ and consumes more resources, it could be that everyone is missing that the non-swapping HDD could be a Hybrid SSD and HDD (example: Seagate ST500LM000) leaving less loading but more resources in system cpu\gpu?
Launch game, SDK needs to mature. The Xbox will have no problems rendering at 1080p 60fps for the next COD or BF4
I got to play Forza 5 at the Microsoft Store. It was 1080P and 60fps according to MS. Either way it was incredible and clear and smooth.
But more importantly is the new Xbox One controller. Holy crap that thing is awesome with the haptic triggers and rumble. Definitely a game changing controller.
Sit down, shut up and play the damn game.
Sony is Killing Microsoft in this war. I am a Xbox fan but I have second thoughts on upgrading. I will stay with my 360 and see how this pans out. I like the work Microsoft is doing, but I will not excuse them for making a lesser machine then Playstation.
Killing it in something that hasn't even launched yet? I love the alarmist attitudes on these posts. Until we see actual games and experiences from both consoles people need to settle down some. Last I checked the game play footage looked pretty damn comparable on both consoles.
Totally agree.
Yep. Overall experience > gaming. I love games but to think that a lot of my favorite games are about playability vs how they look. I guess I'm weird. As long as the games look good and play good its fine.
I would argue that the Xbox is in a much better position than the PS4... with Steam building hardware (all different types) and making a new gaming platform I would imagine more "hardcore" games will flock to these new custom consoles that can be as powerful as they want them to be and be upgraded over time. That leaves the XBOX One with a foothold on the average gamers who are interested in the other 10 hours a day this box is plugged into their TV that they are not playing video games.
Gaming is my hobby, I research it, spend ridiculous amounts of time and money on it and will be a gamer till my grave. I'll also never own a Steam console. My focus is the games and experience surrounding them, not how many MHz and tflops everything has.
So which one are you getting?
Maybe Microsoft could make it to where there is an option for multitasking to be turned off.
A cool idea other than the fact when you build a console you're going for a uniform platform so everyone can enjoy the same quality in their experience and developers know they are building for the entire platform base. ;]
They better optimize the system for gaming. Microsoft doesn't seem very serious for the next generation. I will wait until they can explain and convince me to upgrade from my 360.
Actually they seem quite a bit more serious.
Its like they have blinders on and only see a small picture.
I'm OK with 720p upscaled to 1080p in exchange for the Xbox's other OS features. With the 360 I hate waiting for apps to load. I want the slow-app-loading-days to be over. Plus I feel that come next round most game developers will get better at sqeezing juice out of the Xbox One. I can't wait to say, "Xbox switch to Playboy channel." :)
Yesss... lol
Exactly, the app load shit drives me nuts on 360. The instant app switching looks awesome. Although it does appear to be only for apps that are currently open.
Either way, multitasking is a huuuge improvement over what we have now.
I like this quote: "First launch, first time at bat at a new console is a challenging one. That's just the way it is. For people fearful one system is more powerful than the other or vice versa, it's a long game."
Graphics alone don't make a game great. Rendezvous with Rama was a great game (I realize that reference is lost on some of you).
For me the answer to the original question is no. An emphatic no. I would not be willing to trade off on the quality of gaming or graphics for any additional features. Personally I want a gaming system, that's all. I want a gaming system that excels at playing games at the highest level. I miss the days when gamers used to want to lock themselves in a dark room at night and get lost in a good game for hours on end. You know, as an escape from reality, not as an additional link to more people and networks and real life. I simpy don't get it.
Having said all of that. I don't think it will be an issue. I thought I remembered hearing MS was a little late in getting final dev kits to developers, they were also continuing to make changes to the final hardware. My belief is if they had a few more months with the system, the game would be running at 1080p and 60 FPS. Same with BF4. I also think that come next spring, every game will be doing that. MS is not dumb, they may do some questionable things now and then but they are not going to release a system that touts 1080p gaming, that's not capable of doing it. This won't be an issue and then we will have a great system that excels at gaming and all the additional features it provides.
If people would figure out that "game" consoles need to die just like rotary phones we'd all be in a much better place. Seriously, this unitasking utopia people are spouting off about are irrelevant to the larger picture.
Let's call the Xbox One what it is, which is an Entertainment Console/Device/System what have you. Gaming is not the only form of entertainment, and shouldn't be. It is one pillar of the living room, and Microsoft is assaulting all fronts simoultaneously (TV, Movies, Music, Gaming). If they lose gaming, so be it, as the loss would be temporary because the other features would slowly push competitors to the wayside.
A lot of folks with low standards on here. 1080P 60FPS should have been the standard this generation. Instead both companies went cheep on the hardware. You can have great graphics and great game play. Don't settle for less!
So one developer couldn't optimise their multi-platform game for a new console in time for launch and had to compromise. It's hardly a pattern of bad performance/tuned downed games is it?
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Honesty i would rather have 720p than slow and crap multitasking. I am a hardcore gamer have a gaming rig that cost me a fortune to build and an alienware laptop if i wanted graphics i go to pc.
But am buying an xbox one for an entertainment device it has everything in one place that matters to me more and for the exclusive titles Halo dead rising etc
Absolutely worth it, unless the multitasking sucks or the ps4 ends up doing it better. But in a vacuum I'd rather have multitasking and multimedia features PLUS great graphics which I believe xbo will provide.
I don't necessarily think this will be a problem moving forward though. Every development studio learns the new architecture each console and uses every trick they can. Just look at how games looked whenthe 360 came out, and how they look now. They'll get over it and things will improve. Games aren't always at their best when a new console generation comes out.
Also, take into account that Ghosts is made for current AND next gen consoles. They obviously aren't gunning for development on next gen only. This probably limited the amount of time they had to research methods on getting the Xbox One to run 1080p with acceptable framerates. When they have to develop for as many platforms as they can, including PC, this limits what they can do to their game within reasonable means.
This may just be an issue for CoD:Ghosts. We haven't seen it come up for other games yet.... whether "no news is good news" or not.
I don't mind tradeoff. I don't think I'm gonna notice the difference. In time developers will get around that problem and games will be even in terms of resolution.
U buy a gameing console for games. Its nice to have added gimmicks(yes that's they are)but it should not impede the games performance. It ruins the idea of a handing console
I don't see what's gimmicky. It was YEARS ago that use of Xbox 360 for media purposes surpassed gaming. All Microsoft did was adjust what they built to better fit what people were doing with the console. That said, I'm a gamer, and I'd use the term "core"if I wasn't going to get trolled for it, but just yesterday a buddy wanted me to get online and I was watching an NFL game. I can't wait till I can simply run TV through my console so I can easily hop in a party to chat while I finish up a game, then get into some Forza right after. It's a really small sacrifice in fidelity to enable more freedom across your entertainment. And like any rational writer or commenter would point out, it's a launch game and they never live up to the hardware.
This times the universe.
Let me help you re phrase that...
"You buy a gaming console in 2006 for games." In 2013 when you are buying a 400$+ console you are going to want it to do more. This is basic human sense people. We want more and more from our tech. Period.
Yall just wait till kids start to see some of their friends that got an Xbox start to snap apps onto the screen and start to talk to their xbox to open up IGN tab on internet explorer. Sony will be playing catch up in two years. Kinect is the future and those of you who don't see it yet, open your eyes. Look how hard multi-touchscreen smartphones hit everyone in the face, Apple is still laughing lol
But seriously, its a simple choice, if you're going to waste more than 400+ dollars on a console, wouldn't you want more out of it? I mean these things are supposed to run for 8+ years
Its a silly thing to debate. Cod is never the prettiest game and I doubt this will be a problem for the future. Its a launch game, launch games are by no means the full capacity of next generation hardware.
Maybe cuz CALL OF DUTY SUCKS BUY BATTLEFIELD 4
Still 720P on Xbox 720...I mean One
Considering the lower res version of a game like BF4 looks better on supposedly inferior Xbox One than PS4, I think it's funny how obsessed we are with pixels counts vs how good it ends up looking in the end.
Multiplayer looks like a current gen title... terrible would be an understatement.
The other features are the primary reason I'm interested in the X1. So yes, its worth the temporary "slouch" in gaming quality. And it sounds like the up scaling may be good enough where its barely even noticeable that its coming from 720p.
Its just call of duty...ive not played one since Black Ops. Im not too concerned. Titanfall on the other hand better play like melted butter.
Should work, we are moving towards 4k 40plus inch screens dropping back to 720p isn't good if they plan to be in the living room for next ten years !
It's a launch game and certain devs are just being bitches about the system architecture. That's all. Both these systems will be running 1080p 60FPS on any triple A title in a year or so. And 4k gaming is probably not happening this gen.
Microsoft made some last minute changes to their hardware. I would be hesitant to blame the devs. The fact that MSFT did this should light up a bulb on your head. Just sayin'
The Devs did the best they could with what they were given to work with. Hopefully the improvements Microsoft made to the console will allow 1080P 60FPS gaming like you say.
This Michael guy has me on the verge of deleting WPC app from my phone. No, I don't want a positive spin on everything, but this sensationalist, anti-Xbox One stuff is really annoying. Instead of the well worded, logical and informative approach almost every other WPC writer takes even with "bad news"(if you call having a stronger feature set that realistically doesn't effect anything beyond the minutiae bad news), you get this end-of-the-world "look how much gaming on Xbox One sucks" approach. Over it. I'd go to IGN or Twitter for that baloney.
Can't handle reality?
Actually it's a lack of reality and rational thinking/writing.
Then leave.
Mmmm... no. The problem isn't on my end for being rational about a device and it's capabilities, unless suddenly WPC is a tabloid.
I was joking dude. :P
Anyways, I love WPCentral. :D
Quite honestly, Michael is the one who kisses Microsoft's a**e the most on WPC.
If there's something you CAN'T accuse him of doing is bashing the Xbox One. The guy even made an article defending the indefensible - the original DRM policies - for Christ sake! What more do you want?
No. Damn Microsoft. I'm still buying the Xbox, but $100 more for a not as powerful console is stupid. -_-
Depends on what you consider more powerful, the fact that you can run more than one thing at a time, or that upscaling is not as good as native.
In the long run, the cloud is going to make gaming absolutely amazing: huge worlds, massive multiplayer games. In fact, the upgrade-ability will make this last console generation seem short lived.
Didn't Microsoft, when they changed the DRM policies, remove that feature?
Nope.
This Is almost identical to the PS3 Launch with Blu-ray game titles. Once The Devs get a grasp of what they can truly do we should NOT be having this mass confusion anymore.
It’s the uneducated comments that confuse the uneducated consumer & angers the ones who know or understand why certain things are what they are. Microsoft has not forgotten the core gamers that’s apart of why the cloud is going to play such a major role & the extras are a great addition but hopfully with a firmware patch you will be able to enable or disable all the background stuff if you want your XboxOne to be less exciting.
Just my OPINION mixed with a little truth so DON’T HATE ME
I don't see why we need any of these gimmicks on the TV. My Xbox is used for gaming, that's it. Don't need other gimmicky shit.
The PS3 also has superior graphics to the XBOX 360.
720p is not that far off from 1080p. As long as its 60 fps (which most games don't achieve), than the naked eye can hardly tell a difference. Unless you are running larger than a 70 or 80 inch, you'll live.
I'm okay with this, instant app switching is worth it. Fyi imagine how much worse it would be if they kept the resolution up and dropped the frame rate??!
Wasn't it clear from the beginning that MS is no longer interested in the core gamers but want heaps of fun users instead? Xbox One was never designed for core gamers. Those that are interested in playing the top titles in top details/resolutions will choose PS4 or a Win7 PC. Fun users will decide between Xbox One and the Nintendo offerings.
Nonsense
I disagree. The fact that the ONE was made to use horizontally and look more like a regular box than a gaming system speaks for itself.
Well, I wouldn't call that remotely accurate. I wouldn't go even near comparing WiiU and Xbox One in this generation. Sure, PS4 will be running the top games at higher res and FPS than Xbox One, but short from exclusives (in which I think Xbox One has far better ones, but thats preference), Xbox One gets the same top title multiplatforms and they will be running just fine.
But I guess you may be right that Xbox One and WiiU might be more appealing to the customer who looks for something else than the same old we have had for a few decades with just better graphics, but at the same time Xbox One is still similar enough to the PS4 that it has a lot of these "core gamers". 360 and PS3 had the exact same setup, 360 was less powerful, it didn't stop it from outselling PS3 in just about every quarter :P
Where did it say that its the os bringing it down? It says its about resources. It also says that they just haven't got to grips with it all yet.
I think the "Next Gen" was rushed. I mean Sony has to have a 300MB downlaod to "unlock" basic features... The PS4 wont even support MP3 or Audio CD playback. I hope Titan Fall can do 1080P at 60FPS with the Cloud on its back :| If not I wonder if MSoft will make a new XB1 with improved Hardware..
60fps and 1020p??? Buy a dedicated gaming PC or box. 60fps 720p will look incredible and I will be able to take advantage of everything else that makes the Xbox One the box to beat.
I have never been a console gamer, but if Win8 had been released and MS had told me I would get multitasking Metro apps and some media services but that I wouldn't have enough power remaining to run my PC above 720p... Well, Linux would experience a bit of a boom in take up I think.
I fear MS may have just lost the console market for good. I am no console gamer, but as a Microsoft user this situation doesn't please me.
Like I said before... This is why I play on a PC. No worries of this sort. Still, I won't be buying COD this year.
If all your care about is graphics then why console game? Get a PC, constantly update it, and you'll win all the dick-comparing contests you get into. You can even HDMI into your TV and use a controller with the PC setup.
Personally, I'd like to see Xbox go the SteamMachine route and give us the ability to upgrade specs, while still keeping the awesome Live experience. Microsoft could truly bring the PC to the television if they wanted.
That would never happen cause Microsoft is tooooo damn money hungry...
Which businesses aren't? If you get over the fact that market trends indicate people are using these machines for more than just games then its easier to understand. MS get loads of hate, some justified, some not but they have to make money. The original all digital Xbox world sounded hugely ambitious and very future proof, because its MS the internet mob go crazy. Kind of sad in a way, but at least MS listened and reversed some decisions. Sony have produced a great gaming console. People act like the Xbox One will be left in the dust...that wont happen. Yes the PS4 is more powerful but are people really going to notice in the first year or two? Why cant people just pick one or both and enjoy them. Remember when games were all about fun?
It's been happening much MUCH longer than the Xbox.
It's called "Windows"
The title is misleading (and so is the article).
I don't get why people are saying that gaming has to be first priority here. Yes, is it important that it can play games with great graphics, but consumers are increasingly looking for an all-in-one device. Consoles that are geared toward gaming are just not going to cut it if Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony (and Valve?) are going to want to grow market share. I think when families go shopping for a console, they are going to find the Xbox One's many features and capabilities in things other than gaming to be very attractive. Families are going to want to buy something the whole family can enjoy, not something that only little Timmy can play. The Xbox One simply gives more bang for the buck.
That would be true if the PS4 and X1 were the same price but that $500 price tags is high for most famil
But $400 is not? A $100 difference can certainly be a stretch, but when you are already dropping hundreds of dollars anyways why not spend the extra money and get something that has significantly more value to your whole family rather than just one family member. That is just my humble (or arrogant?) opinion.
That is true, if Microsoft can make that audience listen to their message.
No matter how you slice it--the Xbox One is clearly under powered for all it is trying to do. I still want it to be the one I buy but the jury is out on it.
The funny thing is, games on the xbox one are looking better when it comes to color and textures than the ps4 even at a lower res..
Let me guess your watching the comparison on ign.com huh??? Thats your first problem. Go watch jackfragz on YouTube his videos show that a ps4 is compared to the graphics on a $800 PC. X1 has to upscale its 720p thats like taking a small picture and stretching it to fit the screen compared to the image fitting the screen perfectly
You must be itching for Instagram on Windows Phone.
The average consumer (who make up most the sales) don't even know what 1080p and 720p are. I don't really care that some games are going to be at a lower resolution than the PS4. IMO the Xbox One has much more features to be admired. I think some people are forgetting that it's an all in One entertainment system. At least, that's how they're marketing it.
Thats where X1 screwed up they made it a all in one box but when you do that you lose some allocation to other stuff thats why the RAM on the X1 is 4/4 instead of 6/2 on the ps4.. I dont mind all those features on the X1 but they are trying to do too many things at one time...
Xbox OS is lighter than the PS4's OS. It's just a shitty port.
But they sure know 400€ is less than 500€.
If your buying a game console for TV features, great, that's for you but, for the top end, most expensive game console should be about to play games at the MAX supported today, if it cant' do that, it's an issue. Personally, My main point of the system is Games, I might not even use the TV features as I have other devices that do a great job with that stuff.
Yea, some people dont know or can't see the difference (size of tv, distance, etc have factors in it) but, that is not the point here.
This is unreleased console, the "best of the best", next gen, You dont only want 1080p, you SHOULD EXPECT IT. That is what the issue is here.
I just thought this was funny but the same team who made the gears of war franchise are making a exclusive game for PS4 now... There's this website I looked at that showed all the games coming out for both systems in the first 4 months of launch and its a landslide for PS4.... http://i.imgur.com/KVX6jb4.jpg
Its almost 20 games for x1 and almost 80 for PS4. Go to ps4daily.com and there's a article that shows all this. Go read it... Plus PS4 gives people free games like war thunder, black light retribution, warframe, DAYZ, and you don't even need playstation+ to download them
PS4 FTW. Sorry guys. Seems like MSFT is rushing the XBOX1 and its showing.
They are both rushing, with incomplete features, etc.
You can't fix mediocre hardware with a patch though.
Its not a problem particularly now but another thing that WILL hurt sales, like the launch PR disaster they will never recover from. What is a concern is that if it cant handle games properly now what will happen in two years when they are trying to push things?
RROD was a launch PR disaster, MS go through it with the Xbox 360.
Nothing, the difference will be even bigger with time but in the worse case scenario they can just drop Xbox altogether... it's not like it is a important or profitable business for Microsoft.
Was the Xbox One cloud not an option for these guys? I'm fairly certain they could have gone another way but why make the effort... =/
The cloud isn't even ready yet. Won't be ready for months. People are still getting used to it
Isn't Forza using the cloud compute to improve the game AI. They could have use the cloud to offload some computations. However, it is probably too new and they didn't have time to really make use of it.
An option for what? Cloud computing won't improve graphics, period.
720p at 60 frames isn't going to look atrocious compared to 1080p. I'd be more concerned that down the road during the 5-10 year life cycle when 4K and 6K becomes commonplace... Shouldn't the new consoles have an absurdly untapped amount of power on launch that get utilized effectively over its life???
720p is 910,000 pixles.... 1080p is almost 2,100,000 thats almost 200% more
You mean, almost 100% more. It IS almost 200% the size.
And it's actually 921,600 vs. 2,073,600. So it's 125% more or 225% the size.
No.
They are mid-range x86 PCs, there is nothing to tap into.
They do. It's called a PS5 and Xbox whatever.
Would be kind of nice to see Xbox go the SteamMachine route ...Make Xbox upgradeable, and make it really easy to do so. Sell the hardware yourself and have it be as simple as remove / insert.
Xbox OS built into Windows 9...
Eww... just let DirectX die, it would be better everyone (especially for WP).
Just let OpenGL die. DirectX is FARRRRR FAR easier to program for and runs better than OpenGL. OpenGL is trash.
and if it wasn't, explain the MILLIONS of Windows only games.
Umm...
You're an idiot.
You don't program, you don't Computing Science; you just talk out of your ass.
Direct X is hilariously easy to program for compared to Open GL...
The problem with this and Steambox is that you trade away perhaps one of the best reasons to do console gaming over PC gaming - it's guaranteed that if the game comes for your console, you run it just as well as the next owner of the same console. With varying hardware, optimization will never be as good and it's the infinite racing of getting new hardware to run the newest games.
I would not want consoles to go this way at this time, as it would mean there is zero reason to buy a console anymore, you can just seperately buy the controller you like and hook up your PC to the TV.
The xbox 360 and PS4 didn't have an absurd amount of untapped power and they served their lives pretty well. The desktop dwarf the 360 in power, but the console is still the preferred method of game play, because it is convenient and the graphics are good enough. When you play a game, you are not really looking at all the detail. The best graphics come during cutscenes and you don't need a lot of horsepower for those.
That's where the XBOX ONE was never designed with the intention of 4K or 6K gaming. Rather, once the processing demand reaches that level, the XBOX ONE will enter what I call, Phase Two. It will be all streamed from the cloud. We can already see snippets of that future that Microsoft has for the XBOX ONE, in how much they are pushing the cloud services to game devs. Sooner or later, it's all going to the cloud. That's why Microsoft isn't so concerned about "losing" this generation from a horsepower standpoint, and are pushing their multimedia features and other services. There's an unlimited potential for horsepower in the cloud, and it won't require any additional hardware to unlock. Software has always been the selling feature of devices. If you remove the need for actual hardware upgrades, it becomes all about the software.
I said it months ago, it was crystal clear for everyone except blind fanboys in denial.
The whole "you are a Microsoft hater" thing was pretty amusing though.
I think there are many that will be switching platforms due to this, which sucks as I haven't been able to find a PS4 preorder available at launch. Guess I should have preordered months ago.
that's ok, those people are idiots. Which means there will be fewer idiots annoying me on multiplayer.
Idk dude, I don't care about these console fighting stuff. Yet I find you comment pretty disturbing.
Nobody is gonig to see the difference between 720p and 1080i -- Nobody! There was a great Ars article with screen shots asking which was which. Unless your nose is right up against the screen and your pixel peeping, most people will be looking at the action and WILL NOT notice the difference. Our brains do not work that way. You will be tunnel visioned for your objective and will not notice the difference. The whole argument is stupid.
Just like many other internet myths, this one will force a change by Microsoft for absolutely no reason than to shutup the internet engineers. I am willing to bet there are some tweaks that can be made to achieve whatever Infinity Ward wants to do, but nobody is going to see the difference in game play.
To this day people still argue that 1080 matters on a 4 inch screen even. Nothing you can do but shake your head.
Marketing at its best.
Thats 1080i not 1080p. 1080i is up scaled 720p not native 1080p. By you saying all this your trying so hard to defend your choice of a X1 but what you just said is irrelevant..
Even on TVs greater than 50", 720p upscaled to 1080p will be hard to actual see the difference from 1080p, depending on the upscaling process of course. Simple upscaling would be going to 1080i which is every other line pulled from the 720p duplicated. I doubt they are using simple upscaling, so it is probably more robust than that and actually creates 1080p output.
The title of this article should read "Xbox One's uber-awesome features may be bringing down its resolution".
Edit: And no one will notice the resolution difference, unless your sitting very close to your TV; like two or three feet away-close.
But the thing is are you paying $550 for a gaming console or a entertainment console. You don't even need half of those features. How lazy do you have to be to press the input button on your remote to change from tv to gaming
Its not laziness. I bet I run more miles in a month than you do all year you condescending knobwit.
Its convenience. I want to be able to change my TV from gaming to TV viewing by voice as that will be really cool.
It will be even cooler with built in Webcam and Skype so I can share the experience. Now please where do you get off with you crummy attitude. I want _features_ not just another console. And I really like what is being proposed. I also like the friends activity feeds, and the Xbox Music and Video stores.
The truth is, as DBAM987 points out, unless you are over 60 inches on the TV 1080p is pretty meaningless, see here:
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
Those ridiculous charts attack again.
>480p
>30" at 3m
nope.avi.exe
How many people buy programmable remotes so that when the push a button the tv, cable box, blueray, theater system, etc turn on. This is supposed to take the place of that remote. A logitech Harmony remote costs more than $100. That alone will justify spending $100 more for an xbox over a PS4. Plus you get all those other features. you might not use all of them, but you will most likely use some of them. How about the multitasking feature? You don't think there are people who will want to watch a football game and play a game at the same time? Where did you get $550? THe xbox is $500.
Since when does buying a product that has a ton of features a bad thing? Hell you don't NEED half of the things tech products offer now. Phones have 1000s of apps and you don't NEED them, but its nice to see tech push the envelope to have new features that you might find useful. Fact is both the current PS3 and Xbox are used for more than just gaming. They are entertainment hubs. Often I log on and see friends using it for Netflix or something other than just games. Sure I don't need a lot of these options but I sure WANT them.
With that logic, why have air conditioning in your car when you can just crack the window a couple inches??? And why do those windows go down with the press of a button?! How lazy do you have to be to not want to reef on that old hand crank to put it down??
It's called technological development. We could embrace it happily, or cling to the past like it's a life raft in the sea of our own nostalgic unwillingness to change. Geez.
Given the overall market for console games has been in a downtrend for several years, making the XB1 a games-centric device would not have been a good move. It also alienates a lot of potential buyers. This may end up being the PS4’s downfall. Sure it can play games like nobody’s business, but the bigger picture shows overall that less people are buying console games.
+1
Watch MS move now. They going tu be strong in a year. Just sit back watch
Not a deal breaker for me. If I want to do serious gaming I do it on my PC. Xbone is meant to be more than a gaming system which is exactly why I pre-ordered. I appreciate that it can do more than play games. And if it can upscale to 1080p without any visible notice then what do I care? But 2 things to be aware of.. Firstly there are infact games releasing at 1080p which tells me the devs are still learning how to develop on the Xbone. Secondly, remember how crappy some of visuals are on games that were released in the first couple yrs in comparison to the games 3-5 yrs into the life of the console? It's almost night and day.
Tempest in a teapot.
I'm not concerned. I currently own both a PS3 and 360 - yet I find the Xbox my go to console. I don't have cable anymore, just Netflix and Hulu, but the Skype calling while gaming has me intrigued. If the internet browsing is quick and simple, I can see not needing to open my laptop or L920 to find how to beat difficult parts in games. It's about the whole package.... oh and maybe that streaming over my network PS4 isn't supporting....
Im glad Microsoft is gonna take a beating this generation. They deserve what they get for trying to turn their game machine into a media box that plays games. They handicapped the xbox1 spec wise and are charging $100 more than their competitor . Foolish .
Yeah, its really not thought very well. If MS wanted to be the same console, but a bit better, they should have matched the price of PS4 (even if that meant they sell X1 at a loss, like Sony does). It should have had the same specs but slightly more features and better integration with MS ecosystem. Xbox fans would have bought it. But now they made a higher price, which makes you think the X1 must have better hardware and software. But hardware is actually worse than PS4 and games run not at the same quality. If they knew that they should have done it the 360 way, having a smaller price to attract more customers. Because in the end, most consumers decide because of the price.
They ain't going tu loose. That's 1080p on PS4 doesn't look that gud. XBONE 1080p going tu look sharper. PS4 all there games is not going tu run 1080p. Y'all people act like XBONE don't have 1080p. But we do. XBONE ALL DAY N IM OUT
Apple sells like crazy and it's not from its specs which are well below that of an Android. I love how Microsoft is trying to do more with the Xbox in addition to just gaming. If you're a hardcore gamer you have a PC, not a console.
XBONE
Good. Maybe Santa won't feel pressure to waste more money on game machines this year. Bah freaking humbug.
That doesn't even make any sense, Xbox OS is lighter than PS's.
It would take 5 minutes to make it in 1080p, just automatically downscale when CPU usage is high...
Their CPU and ram can handle it. Running at 1.75 the cpu isn't fast enough
The Xbox is running 3 os's 10% of the gpu is used just for the os/kinect . So an underpowered gpu is now being cut 10% more.
Or perhaps, the game was written really shitty...
*cough* ANY LAUNCH GAME ON ANY PLATFORM *cough*
the game was written really shitty...
And yet it renders at 1080p just fine on PS4.
Have you never seen a bad port?
Obviously Xbox One can handle 1080p, 60FPS fine. Just look at Forza.
port
I do not think that word means what you think it means...
Just look at Forza
Just look at a glorified current gen game running at 1080p? That's pretty disappointing.
I rather look at Project Cars or Driveclub, which are miles ahead of Forza 5 from a graphics perspective.
Xbox OS is lighter than PS's.
*Citation needed.
Boom.
http://megagames.com/news/playstation-4-games-can-only-use-45gb-system’s-8gb-ram
Xbox One uses 3GB's, PS4 uses 3.5GB
How does reserved RAM indicate OS footprint?
You can have a 50MB OS and reserve 12GB for aplications, in fact the original split was 3,5Gb for games and 500MB for the OS (back when Guerrilla was developing Killzone SF for a 4GB PS4).
Because all other RAM space is used up by apps.
Maybe you should look into a basic Computer Science course, you'd be surprised.
Because all other RAM space is used up by apps.
*Citacion needed, again.
That RAM is reserved, not necessarily used.
"That RAM is reserved, not necessarily used."
Exactly. Meaning programs on Xbox One have more freedom than on the PS4.
...Meaning this whole article is bullshit.
Seems to be the trend.
RAM isn't the only resource, taking up more RAM could release CPU-cycles for example.
You are obsessed with the RAM amount when in fact it is least important aspect of a gaming system (just look at Sony, they were going for 4GB and Killzone Shadow Fall was pretty much the same).
GPU and its memory bandwidth are the two thing that matter most at this point, arguing that 500MB of RAM allocation are a important difference when talking about a system with a budget GPU and a glorified tablet CPU is hilarious, it could have 32GB of RAM, would still be a weak poorly designed (and rushed) piece of hardware.
Not necessarily.
But what's funny is you say the Xbox One was rushed, and underpowered. So is the PS4, they are IDENTICAL. If you're in a spec race, you'd never get a console...
+1 BOOM
Just because the UI experience is more fluid does not mean its a lighter OS. A lighter OS is defined as lower memory and CPU footprint at a minimum. When compared to the PS4, it is going to be better at neither because of the amazing feature set it provides.
Its funny, back in the day, people would complain about paging and hate the fact that more processes on their machines were not memory resident. Now that memory is cheap and software is being written to work this way for a fast seamless UI experience, people are complaining about resolution whose difference cannot be seen until you get abnormally close to a ridiculously large screen.
SMH.
http://megagames.com/news/playstation-4-games-can-only-use-45gb-system’s-8gb-ram
Sorry.
As I and Rubios responded, you are not looking at this correctly.
Sorry.
And also, it completely means that. Would you say Windows Phone is lighter than Android? Of course it is.
I think you are getting caught up in semantics. Like Rubios stated, memory reserved is not same as memory foot-print. But I imagine you are going to argue along the same lines that is not going to make any sense.
Do I say WP is lighter than Android? Yes. But it has nothing to do with the fact that its fluid to use. It has more to do with the fact that I can run a more fluid WP phone using lesser physical memory and cpu-cycles than an Android phone. Case in point: A single core 512 MB Ram HTC Trophy vs a dual core at higher speed and 1 GB Ram Droid Razr.
That would be much more noticeable than constant 720p. Also, it's more about the GPU.
Microsoft should really have put enough hardware into the Xbox to handle all the features. I mean, 1080p @60 fps is standard now, but in 5-10 years maybe 4K @ 200 fps is standart. Microsoft really should have known this. Xbox One comes at a higher price, so you expect it to be more powerful, both in hardware and software.
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