Xbox One's extra features may be bringing down its gaming quality

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Due to the quality of the upscaler on Xbox I seriously doubt anyone can tell the difference of 720/1080 on consoles. And in fact since the other version has to push more pixels I wouldn't be surprised if the graphics/performance are slightly better on the 720 version. 720p version can have better graphics/frame rate.

Dont compare minecraft you can play it whit low end phones and pc....

You still need a fairly decent computer to get high and stable framerates in minecraft. And massive TNT explosions can bring even the most powerful PCs to their knees :D  

Nope.
 

There was a day I was lucky if I got 28fps on my geforce 2 ti 64ddr ram video card.. was its no 60 fps?? Odd I thought its hard to see a noticeable difference over 30fps.

It's not really that hard if one is used to 60 fps. Between 45 to 60 is very hard to tell but below there is noticeable microstutters that one can percieve. Above 60 fps is going to vary from person.

considering most people have monitors/TVs/etc that refresh at under 61Hz, it is quite hard to truly notice a difference above 60FPS...

Unless the frame gets delivered to the TV in 1/50th of a second instead of 1/60th of a second, then because it only refreshes every 60th of a second it takes twice as long for the frame to actually get displayed. What you end up getting is occasional stutters to 30fps.

However 30fps doesn't stutter at all and pretty much all TV content is 1080p30 or 720p30. I'm sure about everyone won't see that as not being smooth. Sure 1080p60 is smoother but few TV's support it unless interlaced. The 60p was in the past always interlaced so smooth motion at expense of resolution (since you were combining 2 halves at different time intervals). Not sure if this is 1080i60 interlaced or true full double framerate. I wonder why they didn't go for 1080p30 instead of 720p60 upscaled. Also Forza runs at 1080p60 and graphics demands should be similar (the lightning engine is top notch).

I find this: http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html  to be quite a good example.

No. In fact I'd like it if they removed the Kinect and dropped the price to $350 and gave that reserved power back to use on what the system is meant for: GAMING. 

Nobody said, gaming was limited to graphics. That's boring!

Very true. Then again, GPU -power and bandwidth could be used for other things as well.

The PS4 doesn't have a Kinect and it doesn't cost $350. There was a report that at $400 it was losing money on each sale. So, forget about the $350 price until the component prices decrease and the development costs are recouped. I personal would rather have a console that can to more than gaming. I might play for a few hours a day, but the rest of the time the console just sits there doing nothing. Have you seen the side by side game play videos between the Xbox one and PS4? You can't tell the difference unless you freeze the frames and zoom into certain areas to see the detail.  The xbox upscales the images to 1080p and the games still look good. I'll take entertainment center features over native 1080p game play any day?

The Kinect isn't probably not that much resources as compared to what is reserved for other multitasking goals!

Um the manufacturer gets to choose what they intend their product to be and do? As a customer your input is your purchasing power. Unless you're on the board, you can't unilaterally define what the console is meant for after all they named it the ONE for a reason.

Maybe it was "meant for" that once upon a time but I would say what it is "meant for" now is to be an entertainment hub. Personally I cannot justify this sort of money on Gamiing consoles I need them to do a lot more.   I suspect this issue as the article alludes is the new functionality and the ability for the developers to work arond it. However 60fps is desireable and maybe 720p should be the default but maybe they could offer 1080p with a caveat.

I agree.  I already have an Xbox 360, whose app-switching is slow as molasses.  I don't need another console designed that way.  If Sony didn't also solve the slow multitasking problem, then I'm totally not interested in that console at all, regardless of which HD resolution release title games run at.

The Xbox 360 only has 512MB of RAM, it was not made to be a multi-tasking machine. The Xbox One, however, has 8GB of RAM with a lot of that dedicated to multi-tasking. Multi-tasking lag theoretically should not even be a problem for this next generation.

People forget the XBOX ONE will upscale to 1080p any games running 720p. I watch alot of TV (Hulu+, Amazon & YouTube) on my XBOX 360 so I'm in favor of a all-round XBOX ONE. That been said, I've already preordered CoDGhosts, Ryse & Deadrising III and I have no remorse. Infact planning in preordering FIFA14.

Even a cheap computer can do all multimedia stuff like seriously you would Xbox one because it can play Hulu YouTube? Lol you r silly brother.

I'm sure you're right, but I've never owned a 'cheap computer', so I wouldn't know :),

NO - its a gaming console, so its primary purpose should be gaming.  

Yeah, that should be the main focus of a game console.

Its not a gaming console..... Its an all in one entertainment system. If your looking for a gaming console that just does gaming maybe Xbox one is not for you

It's not really an "all-in-one" entertainment system when it requires the use of a set top box. This is the deal killer for me. XB1 is already $500 and you have to either additionally buy a STB or rent one to use it for TV use.

Sorry I assume most people already have hi-def cable so its not a problem for me. And as I said its considered by Microsoft to be an "all-in-one entertainment system". Their words not mine. Ya its already $500 dollars so what cheapo if the price is the problem buy a ps4. I'm tired of arguing with people over stupidity. I watch Netflix,TV,Movies, I go online YouTube,Facebook,emails ect. Xbox one is a no brainer decision for me. And come on now it $100 more then ps4 but comes with a Kinect sensor and does way more then ps4. I personally wont use kinects motion controls but i use Voice on 360 and i Will continue to use Voice controls on xb1. Im finished ranting

grief, please explain to me how this impacts gaming?  Really.  It doesn't hinder your ability to play a game so how is gaming still not the focus?  It would be different if the console didn't ship with a controller but you guys once again go off the damn deep end with this nonsense.

Exactly. +1 to you sir!

+1

Yes

Absolutely end of!

Gaming should be first and foremost the top priority of Xbox!! End of discussion!!

Haahaa. You jokester!!

Huh... I'd say he's damn right o.O

Im torn on this. Personally im way more interested in the instant app switching, Kinect integration, and using two apps at once. I could care less if the newest cookie cutter release of COD is 1080p or 720p. But I know the "hardcore" gamers will care and ultimately they are an incredibly vocal, entitled, and unreasonable bunch. If MS continues to loose them to Sony, im worried Xbox one will fail.

I'm sorry but any self respecting self labeled "hardcore" gamer who cares about graphics in running this game on PC.

EXACTLY!!!

+100000000

+1  

I have a gaming PC that's capable of better graphics than Xbone and PS4, but do you know which one I'll be gaming on, mostly? PS4. I just enjoy it a lot more. And even now, I prefer most games on PS3. That's just how I like to play. On my dedicated box. Also, there are too many good games that aren't on PC.

+(xb)1

A hardcore gamer should not care about graphics but instead the gameplay. I would rather play a really game with respectable graphics than a crappy game with a little better graphics.

The problem with the logic of a gamer should care more for gameplay and not graphics is really a moot point in this discussion as both the PS4 and XOne will have the same game with same gameplay but one will be 1080p and one wont be.

And even that will be fairly moot because 99% of people buying the game wont even look at the resolution spec, and wouldn't even notice the difference if they were placed side by side, so ...

Please stop saying people won't notice. I can sure tell on PC which movie/game is running is 720p or 1080. Its probably you have 720p tv. And after 3 yrs 4k would b more mainstream than 1080 upscale of Xbox won't b useful cause it won't b as sharp as 1080p upscaled to 4k as opposed to 720p upscaled to 1080 by Xbox & then up scaled to 4k by tvs.

You can tell because your viewing distance is close enough to your PC to differentiate between the two.  Step far enough back and you won't be able to tell.  A lot of people have displays that are too small for their viewing distance to be able to notice the difference between 720p and 1080p.   http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/

Hardcore gamers come in every facet. See me Im a hardcore gaming but crappy graphics are a thing of the past. The fact that this is called next Gen and using past Gen graphics cmon man be a realist and look at the facts. Its 2014 not 2005 games now a days gotta look good and play good...

Often graphics are part of the gameplay, in some rare cases the gameplay is defined by the visuals.

Gaming should be first, if console needs a few more cores or extra memory to support the gaming and multitasking, then the hardware needs changing.

This doesn't effect gameplay. Running at full speed you can't tell the difference between the PS4 and Xbox One. Here is a side by side video. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/10/28/battlefield-4-xbox-oneps4-graphics-comparison Set the video playback to 1080p and compare. The 720p upconverted to 1080p doesn't hurt the graphics at all.

That's YouTube... Can't tell much of anything. http://i.imgur.com/Z7Lq81D.png http://i.minus.com/ibkTxrUV0j959u.gif http://i.imgur.com/HWb79lR.gif http://i.minus.com/ib0gOrDzD8ScKG.gif Either way, much of this doesn't matter, because the worse is yet to come. These are cross-generation ports. The difference in quality will only become apparent in the coming years.

No, I think the hardware is fine. I recall Microsoft saying the XBOX ONE can play 4k, so I'm sure this 720p will soon be a thing of the past. Besides, between my brother's 42in 720p HDTV & my 46in 1080p HDTV I have never seen the difference. In fact, im sometimes envious that my bros 720p TV looks so amazing.

Agreed. All the tv/movie stuff at the reveal event were worthless to me in regards to a gaming machine.

Well, to me its relevant, my children enjoy the extras. The gaming is important to me but I don't see this being an issue.

If microsofts plan was to make a console primarily for playing games they would of but in all actuality ppl play new games for a couple weeks then go back to watching thier fave shows n movies on Netflix. Eliminating the entertainment aspect and aiming solely at gamers would be great for gamers, but this whole other audience of ppl who want tv and movies and an entertainment center that can also play their fave games would be left out.

Xbox one probably won't win the console race... Intact its probably already lost, but as stated over and over Xbox one is an all in one entertainment center not just another gaming console

No. This is a video game, for godsake!

Yes, I use my Xbox for all my media.

Small price to pay given the huge amount of features in the One compared to the PS4

I'm on the border. I still have my Xbox One preordered and can't wait, but I will admit that the recent news has made me surf Sony's website. What is keeping me onboard with Xbox One is the amount of features packed into the unit, but for many... gaming is first - no exceptions. (and that is fine of course)

Don't forget party chat, Xbox live (which did not go down for 3 months), exclusive DLC, new IP's, Skype, multitasking, and Kinect. Xbox far beats the PS4 imo. PS4 is losing more exclusive down the road. Its been going this route for a couple years. For example Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes is now on Xone instead of just PS4

I wouldn't count on it, Sony owns several studios.

Everyone is losing the exclusives except for first party studios (and SCE dominates everyone there).   Developing costs go up and everyone tries to release in as much platforms as possible, it's been happening for years now.

Yes everyone is losing exclusives but Xbox was late to the game and PS3 has been losing IP's ever since.

I totally forgot about SCE.

I'm willing to live with the tradeoff. The video feed is being upscalled to 1080p. So although native 720p, 1080p is output to the screen. I expect the end result to be barely noticable if at all noticable and well worth the additional features on Xbox One.

Unless you are gaming in a 50"+ tv then the difference would definitely show

From 10 feet away or standing right next to the TV. If you are standing right next to the TV, you might see something. From the couch playing fast movie action games, you won't notice anything.

Man, I don't think there's any debating with you. You're too far gone, but I'm going to anyway. Nothing there is worthwhile and most of it just isn't true. PS4 has party chat, which is also cross-compatible with Vita and I'm sure they'll get Skype. Vita and PSP both have Skype. PSN was definitely not down for 3 months. It wasn't even a month and Live has been hacked more times than PSN, so...
PS4 has their own camera, which is close enough to Kinect. Exclusive DLC... Really? PlayStation will have WAY more new IPs than Xbox, by the way... There's also multitasking. No snapping, which is a good feature, but there's still multitasking, which is all I care about for a game console. I'll use my PC for any of the other things. And like was said below me, everyone is losing 3rd party exclusives. They're just not feasible anymore, but Sony will keep pumping out all those first part exclusives. I'm only going to refute your points. I won't even try to list my points. This comment is long enough. :P

Ps eye close to Kinect 2 lol fanboy much ?

Most games I play are like Europa Universalis, so for me Xbox One means HTPC, Fable and Forza. I don't see a reason to buy a PS4 but half of my friends will buy one. I might buy a PS4 if real JRPG starts to show as PS4's exclusives but until then no PS4 or any portable gaming console... I don't believe in screens smaller than 24" to play.

+Xbox 1

How is Forza 1080p and 60fps, its the developers fault not the Xbox one

The amount of data having to be shown during a racing game is far less than that of almost any other game, FPS' in particular.  It's why racing games are always showcases in launch lineups.  They look great and run great to boot. Other than that, I don't mind as I'll be getting a XBOX One regardless ;)

I completely disagree. they are using an archaic engine all the way back from COD4, I could understand if this was something like Crysis but its just plain jane COD. The game should be able to run at 1080p at 60fps.

The fact remains - racing games are always (or at least have been for the last few console generations) used to showcase systems because they are not as taxing as other genres on the system.  Though, I do understand what you're talking about... But, I will say that as a launch title, this won't be indicative of what the system can do.  Go look at the launch PS3 and XBOX 360 titles and you'll see a huge difference between what developers could only do at launch and what they were able to get out of the systems at the end of their cycles...

The graphically superior games always come at the end of consoles' life cycle this  ismore less because as the developers get to know the consoles better thus enabling them optimise and armed with updated SDKs along with what they learned from previous games and with Sony / Microsoft streamling and making the core O/S run better and efficient. It is a two way street, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.

Im not sure it is a fact. Think of all the car geometry and physics calcs going on during a racing game. I have no idea how many cars Forza has on track at once compared to COD soldiers but I am not sure you can claim this as fact. I am much more sympathetic to the idea its engine related. As you say look at launch titles from last gen. Don't forget both systems need new engines for different architectures. Last gen it was more complicated for PS4 until devs got to grips with the exotic PS3 hardware. Perhaps MS has the crinkle this time. But like the majority have said, I'd rather have great Music, great Video, great Pary Chat, Skype and TV control plus gaming rather than a boring gaming device again like the PS4. Can't wait for mine.

Yeah, racing games are also easier to make photorealistic. Car paint and metals are the easiest 3D shaders to perfect.

I think the games at launch are irrelevant to the console (graphics wise) because if you look at the call of duty 3 graphics and the cod black ops 2 graphics, cod 3's graphics are nowhere near to bo2's graphics.

Isn't Forza 900p or is that Ryse? If it is 1080p then yes it is the developers fault. Wouldn't it be pretty crazy if newer games skip 1080p all together and are 4k native?

I completely disagree. they are using an archaic engine all the way back from COD4, I could understand if this was something like Crysis but its just plain jane COD. The game should be able to run at 1080p at 60fps.
Forza is 1080p/60 fps - Ryse is 900p I believe

Exclusives always look the best. Ryse is 900p 30fps not 60fps

That's Ryse

The most ridiculous reasoning I have ever heard. smh

Its cause forza is a first party exclusive games. They always look better

Because it is a current gen game running at 1080p. Low resolution textures here and there, terrible texture filtering (in 2013, seriously...), crappy motion blur, pre-baked static lighting... even Gran Turismo 6 is giving Forza a run for its money on 7 freaking years old hardware.

Have you seen GT6? It looks absolutely disgusting. I checked both GT6 anf FM5 at Finnish DigiExpo, and they were not even comparable. GT6 graphics look awful, but FM5 is one of the most beautiful games I've ever seen...

GT6 looks amazing for a current gen game. What are you talking about? Other than resolution and texture resolution, GT6 actually looks better than Forza 5. Also, Forza 5 is on the Xbox One. OF COURSE it will look better than a game on PS3... Your logic, man...

i want some of what you are smoking Rubios.

I know..either good "weed" or his tv just sucks....

Yeah, that's everyone's argument. Forza is 1080p60, so it must be developers. Forza isn't pushing much of anything, so it can pump out 1080p60. Not surprising. It's a racing game with static everything.

I luvz the graphix!  

Nope. Gaming should be the focus.

Oh look, it's another anti-Xbox One article trying to get web traffic. Come on, man, you work for a Microsoft eccentric website and you have to post this garbage? SMH

We cover Microsoft - the good and the bad bits. If you want to hear just the positive, I suggest watching Microsoft commercials.

Fair enough. It will be nice for the name Windows Phone Central to be changed to Microsoft central. Been saying this like forever.

Yeah, more and more the content is less and less about WP itself.

Lol well said. I think its good for consumers to know the limitations of any system, etc

Its about the headline. Even anti-MS sites worded it better than you did. I love your articles but the title is a miss imo.

Hey Krayzie, Thank you for the compliment and I will take your words to heart. I try to define a headline that gives an overall reflection of the piece's altitude. I do feel that my last piece was titled a bit too strong in some regards and I will take note of that moving forward. Thank you for reading WPCentral and thank you for citing your concerns in a polite manner (seriously, I love that). -Mike

He a writer at the end.. And troll controversy generates traffic to the article...just doing his job. Buy I agree with what you said, I search at similar news on other sites.

Actually sounds like they were saying it was the fluid nature of the software that was the main issue, not the OS in terms of what the users will be using/doing, talking api, dev tools, allocations etc.

Except you got it wrong

I don't expect to hear that everything is coming up roses and rainbows, but I wish you'd make an effort to not spin everything into a controversy for click-bait articles. I purposely read for author names in the WPCentral news feed just to avoid YOUR articles. I really enjoy reading the other guys but your articles really tick me off. I only clicked on this one because of the so-called Q&A with the devs hoping for a legitimate explanation.

Thank you. I'm glad they hired you. Anytime there's bad news, it just isn't reported.

60FPS or bust. Far more important than 1080p. And finally it's starting to happen even with mainstream titles.   Maybe one day Youtube will get 60fps support. Combining that with more 60fps games would make high framerate movies more likely. It could be a way to break the 24fps idiocy that is plaguing modern cinema.

What I was thinking.  Unless you're gaming on a TV that's over 50 or 55 inches, the 60FPS is far more important and noticeable than 720P.

I'm not gonna say it but . . . that's what she said.

60FPS or bust. Far more important than 1080p   Why not both instead of 200€ camera that most gamers don't care about?

+1

I actually do care about the Kinect. I know Im not the AVG. but I think the technology gives me more for my money, PS4 I think is overpriced for what you get, I actually think the Xbox One is Over Priced but I feel like Im getting a better deal than just the box that PS4 is offering and if I bought the camera for PS4 (which I see no reason for at this point) it would be similarily priced.

That's fine too, I'm not against Kinect itself... I'm against making it mandatory creating a extremely mediocre piece of hardware just to be able to fit it into a viable price for a gaming system.   I might have though about picking a 300-350€ XBone without Kinect (or a 400€ one with decent specs).

Because they want this to be a well rounded system that will improve the entertainement center. Let's face facts. The hardcore gamers are a small percentage of the market. The casual gamers make up a far larger number. THey play some games and watch a lot of TV.  That is who Microsoft is going for. The only danger is that the hardcore gamers are very vocal and might convince the casual crowd that the PS4 is better even though most would get far more use from the Xbox.

Absolutely. I bet that the vast majority of people outraged about 720p wouldn't be able to spot the difference between it and 1080p on their TVs.

Activion's old engine can't take advantage of the new architecture of the Xbox and its offloading capabilities.

I think that's more likely ...

Like I've been saying, consoles are never "enthusiast" devices like high end PCs so as long as the Xbone system does a good job of upscaling to 1080P like they claim, then I don't see any downside to this. Developers will get better, the system will get more efficient with updates, and hopefully down the road all the people trashing Microsoft won't have anything negative to say when they realize the features are so much better.

This guy gets it. I'm rocking a 4 year old water cooled gaming PC (i7 920 FTW) and it's graphical capability on three screens at 5760x1080 resolution is still better than these new consoles. At the risk of sounding like a No True Scotsman, actual "hardcore" gamers who care about graphics are on PC. I'm getting the Xbox One for its exclusives and media features. People complaining about the extra features aren't thinking outside the box. One of my two xbox360s with Kinect is going to be moved into my garage for a hands free media device while I work on my cars and motorcycles. I want the new Kinect because it pushes the way we interact with computers forward rather than stagnating at the status quo.

+1 ... I agree. The problem is convincing the average person, who is reading all the comments from people who also don't even know how a PC works, that the resolution of a launch title doesn't matter. Microsoft needs to fight back more aggressively.

+1 but in Microsofts defense everytime they have said anything it becomes a negative for them. Playstation has kept quiet and is percieved to be better because of it. Although most people won't admit it I think several people are holding there breath that Sony doesn't have a huge problem at launch because for some reason I have a wierd feeling about Playstation and their hardware

They have a lot of negatives. Drive Club and Watchdogs have both been delayed and there are swirling rumors about only PS biased journalistic outlets getting review PS4s because the OS and UI aren't ready and buggy. All I know is I want Titanfall

I would agree, except that there isn't anyone playing COD on the PC at this point.  I bought it originally for PC- 6,000 people at peak times on the PC.  The 360 version averages 150K at the same times.

Agreed

No, not worth it.  I'm buying a game console, it should play games in the best quality first and extra features on top of that.  They're just that, extra features.

It will play them in the best quality it can. If you want the best quality that exists invest in a high-end PC. 

Take a look at this http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/10/28/battlefield-4-xbox-oneps4-graphics-comparison and tell me you can tell the difference. The game play is what matters. The graphics quality is plenty better than the previous console for both consoles and the difference between the two during actual game play, and not on a spec sheet, are negligible,

Thanks for that. Most of the time I preferred the XBox one. A few close up stills looked better on PS4 (to me and only in my opinion LOL)   To be fair, once you play for 10 seconds you are not going to care you are going to be immersed in the game

Some of you guys are going to stay stuck in 2013 thinking like this... This is a console that MS has put years of research on and they expect it to be YEARS into the future. In two years you'll have Sony playing catchup because so and so has found out that their friends Xbox can do so much more. C'mon man its only common sense, tech is spreading (and its spreading fast) in the year 2016 no one is gonna want a console that does just gaming, they'll want more. Just like everyone wants more from their smartphones and PCs. Anyway, the console itself can HANDLE 1080p just fine, Forza has proven this. It will take some time before COD and Battlefield developers can optimize those type of games to get 1080p and STILL maintain 60fps, this is the real issue here that everyone on the internet is misunderstanding. Lets remember Battefield 4 is running at 900p on PS4 and the battlefield 4 spokesperson has already said that graphics actually look crispier on the Xbox than the upscale 900p in the PS4. I've heard from a couple developer friends and read online that Microsoft has done some serious magic behind the up scaling abilities of the Xbox one. This is from digital foundry;
“[T]he actual results on PS4 lack the corresponding level of crystal clarity we’d expect of such a significant resolution boost,” Thomas Morgan of Digital Foundry writes. “This should surely be a home run for Sony’s console, but what is likely to be a software-based upscale to 1080p delivers less-than-stellar returns, and for better or worse leaves the Xbox One with an often crisper looking, albeit much more aliased image.”
“What is curious is the level of ‘pop’ given to the Xbox One’s textures, where – bizarrely – artwork often seems to be more detailed than on PlayStation 4.”

It's not just a game console though. It's an entertainment console. To keep saying you want it just for gaming, when stats show people use their Xbox and PS3 for a lot of media is being short sighted. From all the footage I see, the quality of Xbox One BF4 footage vs PS4 holds up quite well if not better on a lot of shots. You really have to be looking for a reason to gripe to tell me that at 60fps you are going to pick up every detail.

Ok i like skype in game or fast switch to tv!!!

But cof host can creat not 60 fps but 45 -50. Becouse our eyes dont see over 30fps!!

You would be amazed how much of a difference is 30 and 60fps. Hell.. I can tell 50-60 difference. And no, your eyes work continously so there are no eye framerates. And finally, your eyes wont tell a difference between 24-60 if the image is still but as soon as it starts moving..

If you think you can't see more than 30fps you need to understand that this is not true in all cases. Read this article. http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm