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6tindr receives extraordinary update before being pulled by Tinder

6tinder was an impressive app that just launched a little over a week ago in the Windows Phone Store. It was Rudy Huyn’s Tinder client for Windows Phone. It just went to version 1.2 in the Windows Phone Store earlier today, but has since been pulled by Microsoft at the request of Tinder. Details below.

First off, let’s go over what you’re going to be missing out on. Besides missing out on Tinder on Windows Phone, version 1.2 of 6tindr brought an impressive set of new features to the mix. Here’s what you would have enjoyed:

  • Review last passed persons to like them if you made a mistake or changed your mind
  • Select manually your geo-location on a map without GPS
  • Send message using voice recognition
  • Be able to save photos of your contacts on your phone
  • Open directly your friend profile from a picture saved on your phone (rich media extensibility)
  • Sort automatically and dynamically all conversations by date of the last message
  • Open directly the chat page when you tap the notification toast
  • Optimization for 512Mb devices: smoother animations, less network and CPU usages
  • Access to Facebook tagged photo

That’s pretty incredible. 6tindr, an unofficial Tinder client for Windows Phone, had features that the official apps lacked on other mobile platforms. Most notable was the ability to change your likes in case you made a mistake or changed your mind. Another cool feature was the ability to manually select your location. Update 1.2 of 6tindr was awesome, but it’s no more.

Head to the Windows Phone Store and you won’t find the app. Tinder has asked Microsoft to pull the app. Unfortunate news for users wanting to become new Tinder users or those wishing to continue their experience on Windows Phone. Rudy has sent a letter to Tinder in hopes to appeal their wishes and work together. You can read Rudy’s letter to Tinder on SkyDrive.

We’ll update you all on whether or not Tinder is willing to work with Rudy or if they have their own plans for a future Windows Phone app. 

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6tindr receives extraordinary update before being pulled by Tinder

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Give up the smallest viable smartphone market until you get there on your own and not have an unlicensed 3rd party taking profits while using your companies community, content, services and likeness in the meantime - sounds reasonable. yep.

Taking profits? What are you talking about? Do you know some secret monetization scheme that no one else has figured out? Their only real asset is their userbase which just grew without any investment on their part. Yeah, it's a dumb move

Facebook has an official API that they license to developers. Tinder specifically bans this activity in their terms of use(license).

I recommend calling them out on Twitter: @Tinder. They deserve to be publicly rebuked and that's the best way to do it. I plan to use the hashtag #MobileEquality.

How's this:

@Tinder How about an official WP app then, seeing as you just had the unofficial one pulled!! #MobileEquality

Exactly! Rudy is a symbol of pride for us wp users, He is one of the few who truly makes the best of the modern UI design language.

Even though his name is Rudy, his letter seems to be polite, respectful, and straight to the point.
If I was running tinder, I'd definitely let him onboard.

I understand the need of a company to protect their (whatever they are trying to protect).

 

But then make a damn app before being a bunch of assholes. I didn't even care about this service (have a girlfriend) but this kind of stuff is ridiculous!

I think it is here, here. This steams from the 1600 and 1700's when people would agree with a point being made in some type of session = here, here... Or I agree.

I have zero interest in this service either, but yeah. A solo developer makes an app in a couple months that was as good or better than what their best and brightest team could produce in over a year. Maybe if their devs/management weren't complete tools it would never have been an issue. :P

Sometimes I wonder if this isn't often the issue. The last thing they want is their Roid and Fruit users, not to mention their Investors, finding out they've spent months and millions and built a sub-par App. Nor do they want to have those users finding out life is better on Windows Phone and jumping ship. Think Google or Apple want that getting around. Probably not and I don't imagine they would be shy about punishing a young Company that embarrassed them.

Man... We should all be very proud to have a developer like Rudy so committed to our platform of choice. All this hard work on a 3rd party app to fill a gap in the marketplace to make Windows Phone all that much better. Even so, knowing that it could all be pulled at any given point and time. Its people like this that help gain market share.

Thank you so much Rudy and keep up the great work.

Agreed !!!

I have his wikipedia app. I dont use it much but I am thankful for his skill and support for the platform.

 

Even though I haven't used more of the applications he's developed, I MUST agree with this statement! It is because of people like him that we, WP users, have what we have (besides Nokia, of course). :)

6tag and 6sec are far superior to the official apps that its ridiculous. I have much respect for Rudy and im amazed that nobody has snatched him up to develop their apps.

I have been thinking the same thing. It seems like it would be very worthwhile for ms to employ Rudy (if he would be willing) and give him a team to work with.

Honestly, I agree with you 100%. MS should just employ Rudy and give him a team. They can also hire him to help on the official Facebook app which has significantly improved but still can be better. I'm sure they won't regret it. That guy is a beast....the whole Instagram, Facebook, MS and Nokia Team did that "stuff" called Instagram Beta in over a year and Rudy alone has 6tag running and still updating. Someone should just swallow up his pride and give Rudy some role!

I suspect he is able to do more as an independent developer rather than officially representing MS - especially when it involves unofficially using 3rd party APIs with out permission. We dont know that he hasnt received any checks in the mail...

Seconded! Thanks, Rudy! TVShow is my most used app if yours, but I've downloaded and reviewed every app of yours to show my support. Bought a few as well because they are fantastic.

I bought the add free 6tinder and don't even care if I can't redownload it because I know Rudy will work on bring some other big name app to WP

I would recommend everyone goes and sends an email or tweet to Tinder, and let them know what a mistake they're making.  Either make an official app for us, or let Rudy's stay.

I second that: @Tinder is where tweets can be send. Perhaps use the hashtag #MobileEquality to keep track of each other's tweets and retweet them.

The latter. Using their platform and API to make an app that don't officially support. They don't want anyone else using their brand without direct contact.

We've all reach that conclusion based on the article and the lack of support from tinder for windows phone. There's no other real reason unless they are going to release the official app which is unlikely.

I paid...and I definitely won't be requesting a refund! The app was/is great, as is your support for this platform. It's just a real shame that Tinder behaved in such a way towards you.
Hopefully this is just the first step in a successful resolution that sees you building an official app.

What's crazy is that this one guy built an app by himself for a new platform that already equaled and surpassed its equivalents on iOS and Android. According to CrunchBase...Tinder has about 35 employees... I'm not good at math or anything..but since when did 1 > 35?

I hate to be that guy, but in every similar scenario, somewhere deep inside me believes that the likes of Google and others are the master minds behind it all. There's isn't any question that if WP had every single popular app available on other platforms that WP's market share would experience an exponential growth. This fact must have the competitors shaking in their boots!

Well, Sam, not to get too into quantum physics, but you see.... Rudy has 5 big-time apps (the '6' series and Wikipedia). 35/5 is 7. 7-6tinder = 1tinder. Now that tinder is gone, that just leaves the 1. So it's really 1≥35. Hope I answered your question.

So the developers from the official Tinder also developed instagram, vine, Wikipedia, snapchat, AND 9gag??? Damn they're talented.

And here I thought we were going to go into a HL3 reference. I was slightly dissapointed that you didn't work that in :)

Rudy should have updated it, just to beat the competition and salt the wound, then pulled from the store ("like a boss") before tinder could do it, lol.

Although rudy didn't have to write all their backend services, all he has done is written a client for the service which in many cases is the smallest part of the work that needs to be done.

I cant moan at the work rudy does, or the quality of his work - but he seriously needs to stop ripping off other apps, i don't think it does the platform any good in the longrun

It helps the platform. When instagram wasn't available on windows phone and people knew that they automatically saw something wrong with windows phone. However when Rudy started making apps for us (6tag, 6sec, 6snap...) I was proud to show it off and people were impressed by the quality of the app. That equals to interest and possibly a potential customer. Obviously it takes more than just an app to buy a phone but at least that's no longer the reason on why not to give it a try.

The point is understood, but Rudy is also filling gaps that make it easier for people to come on over. This is his thing and he's good at it.  If I had all the programming skill in the world, it doesn't mean that I'm going to come up with the next big thing.  Besides, the same people that scream "official" all the time don't care about WP only apps.  They have platform envy so if it's not popular with iCrowd, it doesn't matter. Fhotoroom is original and awesome and lots of people don't care, as an example. Foundbite is original and WP exclusive and struggles to get noticed because all anyone seems to care about is whatever iDroid has.

I'm sure google is behind this, who wouldn't want their service on a platform and not have to use any company resources to fulfill the need? Unless they are just Microsoft haters, which is still asinine

Yep: hit them up @Tinder. I suggest using the hashtag #MobileEquality because we've used it before to cajole other companies (e.g. Grindr, Geico, etc.) to make Windows Phone apps, so it can be a general theme for us and will make it easy to find and retweet each other. Let's not just limit this to Tinder. There are lots of companies still giving Windows Phone the finger.

I don't think Rudy needs a job. He is likely doing far much better as a solo developer than if he worked for any of those jokers. Btw, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Rudy has grown to the point where he has now hired an additional developer as his business has taken off. So it wouldn't be in our best interest to have Rudy join on with an outfit.

Does Tinder have an API for developers? Or did Rudy violate the terms of use defined on Tinder by reverse engineering the service into an application of his own and thereby hijack their popularity and intellectual property for profit?

I don't know Tinder or the situation with this app, but if thats the case, it's bad behavior and violates the certification requirements (3.1) of the Windows Phone store.

 

And I don't think its the first instance out there... right?

Unofficial does not always equal licensed. Companies don't have to be nice and such.

As much as I hate to say it you could be possibly right... I sure hope Tinder gives Rudy a chance. I mean, that could help Tinder (get more users, save time since Rudy already has a head start, and so on). Sure hope they can come to an agreement.

From my understanding of it, it's a form of piracy. It's weird everyone is coming out and supporting this developer's efforts in piggybacking where he has no license to do so. Tinder was 100% in the right to have the app pulled and would likely win in court if they decided to sue Rudy. Seriously, what is wrong with you people?  

 

Because it's an arse move. Just because they have a right, doesn't make it right. They get to expand their user base with no investment. This smells of anti-WP spite.

So if Apple were to grab the API for, lets say, Here Maps and didn't pay anything for the use of them that would be perfectly fine I mean it would be more people using the service after all.

I doubt Rudy actually did anything wrong but in Giant Veggies example he is absolutely right in what he says.

Completely different scenario. Here Maps has a clear monetizing strategy that includes licensing. What revenue is Tinder being robbed of? They likely have an exit strategy of being bought by some bigger fish. If that's the case, then they should embrace the addition to their user base and/or make their own app.

I never denied their right to protest, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. You can exactly what's in your rights and still be an ass.

I amazed at everyones inability to recognize this as piracy. Rudy reverse engineered and was using a companies services without permission. They have to chase after him to protect their property in the Windows Phone Store, perhaps they now have to hire lawyers to recoup the profits that were taken. It's a burden. How hard is that to understand.

Tinder is being robbed of their brand, their intellectual property, the electricity and hardware costs for the services Rudy used without permission, and Rudy was taking money directly from users.

HERE Maps may have a monetizing strategy and licensing available to 3rd party developers. While Tinder specifically bans this in their terms of use. Monetization by the original business owner is irrelevant actually... Monetization by the leech is to me, what crosses the line of any fair use protection, it sounds like piracy and a form of theft no matter how noble it sounds in your WP heart. I don't see how Rudy in the right other than appealing to your WP desires. I can see how this happens, even Bin Laden was a hero to many.
 

Can I pour half a can of coca cola into a glass, and start selling it as 6Coca~cla? See what I did there? I left off a vowel and added a 6, as an user, you can still recognize it as Tinder (the brand), and when you use the app you get the Tinder product (the girls/guys) just like downing a glass of my new cola brand 6Coca~cla, I mean Coke, that I both repackaged and rebranded (only slightly, because nobody wants VeggieCola). To make the analogy more complete, let's replace the can of Coca-Cola and I'll install a hose into one of the bottling facilities.

 

 

hire lawyers? why not better hire goddamn PROGRAMMERS and release an official app before starting crying for "lost" theoretical profits

You have some valid points, but I don't think it's fair to call this piracy and I don't see it as unethical.  You can already access Tinder's content via a webpage or by iOS/Android apps for free.  Piracy would be like stealing from a grocery store and then selling the stolen goods to others or giving it away.  That would obviously hurt the gorcery store.  What Rudy is doing is more like providing transportation so that people can get to the grovery store and use the grocery store's services.  Those people can already walk to the grocery store anyway (i.e. use the webpage), Rudy is just providing a more efficient way to get there (an app) and that is the service he is charging for.  It's a win win situation for everyone involved.  I fail to see how having more users is a bad thing for Tinder as long as the user experience is good and there are no security issues.

 

The only aspect that could be considered potentially bad for Tinder is trademark/brand issues.  However, Rudy's app is clearly third party (he didn't name it "Tinder") and it's not trying to hide the fact that the content/service is from Tinder.  It clearly states that it's a Tinder client.  Your Coke example is apples vs. oranges because in the example you are talking about taking a company's product and claiming it as your own (stealing their brand).  That isn't the case here.  Also, it's a bad example anyway because people resell Coke all the time and as long as they make it clear where the product came from Coca-Cola is more than happy to let them do this.  It's pretty much their business model unless I missed something and consumers are buying their drinks directly from the Coca-Cola warehouse by the pallet these days.

 

I would agree that it may not be stricly legal, but what Rudy is doing is not unethical and comparing it to piracy or anything more than a violation of Tinder's arbitrary terms and conditions is not an accurate comparison.

Completely agree, i think it only ends up giving wp a bad name, and now a bunch of people slating the company, it will give them a bad taste for wp

You are right, but the thing is: the fact that you have a right, does not mean you SHOULD reclaim it. Look what Instagram made when Rudy lauched 6tag: they could demand the app to be pulled over, but instead of that, gave him their blessing after analyzing the code and approving it. Its good publicity, and great for the company image. 

I think it is sad that they refuse to make an app for windows phone but someone is willing to do the work and they can't seem to worn together to let a third party app come through .

Once they agree to let the app back in store, will you release the update, even for 1 day to let WPcentral tell everyone, then downgrade before tinder pulls it again? :P

Damn I really needed that update! I don't really understand why Tinder would do this, considering the app is better than the clients for Android and iOS. They are crazy to have this app pulled - they reached the windows phone community and didn't have to pay a dime to do so!

 

You do realize that companies exist to make money right? That is the entire purpose, companies do not do things as a public service. Why is it wrong for a company to want to make money and why does it surprise you?

Post it on SkyDrive or Twitter so we can re-tweet it a bunch of times to @Tinder. #MobileEquality, baby.

I think Tinder probably didn't like 6tindr is ad-supported.  I wonder if the open-source "tinder unauthorized" app still coming.

I dont think I've ever heard of a developer putting out so many quality apps as fast as Rudy. Truly amazing. I hope they're willing to work with him in some way. Work as great as that shouldn't go to waste.

Rudy, You sir are a Rockstar. I say WP community fund Rudy to create his own service bringing the best of all these services people like into one and a WP exclusive.

It's encrypted.  It won't do you any good unless you have like one rare phone with an sd card slot.  We need him to post the unencrypted XAP.

I have like that one rare phone (Ativ S) but the store gives me a "Store error", "Error code: 80070057" when trying to update from sd.

This error seams to be a server-side problem, any ideas?

probably they managed to block installation of pulled apps via SD?

It's possible there's some kind of callback.  I know next to nothing about the SD card installation flow.

Put your phone in airplane mode, then try installing it from the SD card again.

That was a really shitty move by Tinder; just shows they don't care about their users. I guess they were jelous that one guy did a better job on an app overnight then their whole team could in 15 months.

 

Rudy, regardless of this move I can see your building a hell of a resume by producing better quality apps than the official companies. Don't stop! Your superior work ethic and true professionalism will eventually pay off.

Deleted that anyway. Sucks. Don't know why he made that app. Ppl are demanding more important apps Rudy should make. Dropbox should be easy for him. And it wouldn't get pulled. Who cares about tinder

We already have a better cloud storage app on Windows Phone called SkyDrive. That void is filled. Rudy should continue to fill gaps in the ecosystem, not waste his time making apps for inferior services. Dropbox sucks.

Oh so that's y so many companies provide the option to save to your dropbox...because it sucks...whereas only Microsoft provides an option to for SkyDrive.idiot. Whenever there's a poll for a missing app ppl ask for BBM and dropbox, didn't even know what tinder was till Rudy made it

I can use dropbox on WinPhone: BoxFiles and FileBox are two that I know of. Unless you're in the cult if "official", you have options. SkyDrive is still superior. Just because something has a mire famous brand doesn't make it better, but go ahead and keep using insults instead of logic.

I've had to use Dropbox for work. I'm very familiar with it; it sucks in comparison to SkyDrive, especially for personal use: 2GB free vs. 7GB free, access across more devices, cheaper to buy more storage, built-in Office Web Apps that enable you to edit Word, Powerpoint, Excel, etc. files on any device with Internet access, a better UI that makes it easier to manage files, share them, and co-collaborate on them, etc. Dropbox has no business being name dropped alongside SkyDrive.

Don't quote me on this but skydrive is 25GB free for WP users. This could be a set limit or UK only but I recently got an email to inform me as such from MS.

BlackBerry said Windows Phone isn't popular enough.

Yet, Windows Phone is over 3x as popular as BlackBerry. Lol.

BlackBerry is jealous.

Aww man u need an app to get dates or someone to show an interest in you? I'm sorry man. I didn't know. My sympathies

Who are you to decide what an independent developer is doing with his time?  Who are you decide that one app (that already has third party options) is more important than another (which doesn't have a third party option)? 

 

Maybe you should get up off your ass and write your own Dropbox app.

This is why WP is going to fail. Make the fans mad and remove the app, or make the devs mad and keep it. No win scenario for the platform.

WP is NOT going to fail because the vast majority of users are not idiots who make such moronic comments like yours, thankfully.

This is why we can't have nice things.
Original company/devs don't give a damn about WP8 users, but if someone does and brings awesome functionality to boot with replacement apps, they go all greedy corporation assholes on us users by forcibly removing said apps.
And I highly doubt they'll be bringing an official app anytime soon, and if they ever do they'll make some crap app that's far less functional than Rudy's version, and then proceed to never update it.
Plenty stupid move imho. The service would be getting more users and fans, do you have to be so greedy to not let the dev get a little ad money? I mean, they guy did all the job you weren't able to.
By dev standards that's plenty cheap you know?

Anyways, kudos to Rudy... don't let stuff like that demotivate you, we WP8 users appreciate a lot your work - even those who don't use the apps. You could say that some companies out there are only bringing their stuff to the platform because they realized someone else is doing their job brilliantly.

Read Rudy Huyn's letter to Tinder on SkyDrive and one can't help but understand why he is one of the classiest and most adult human beings on this planet....not to mention his pure genius! We in the Windows Phone community are blessed to have a developer like Rudy on our side.

I'm pretty sure he didn't actually violate any of those.  And even if he did, I doubt he agreed to them.  They make the api available for public use on the internet, so they're going to have to deal with the public accessing it.

To those who have the XAP file with a dev unlocked phone (I think you have it if you have the Preview for Devs), download this and try to update your 6tinder app.

https://wptools.codeplex.com/ (Assuming you have the SDK tools)

It may or may not work.

Perhaps the app offered features that Tinder didn't want? Or perhaps they tried the app and had errors and decided that it was not an experience they wanted people to relate with Tinder! I personally downloaded 6tindr, and I signed in with a facebook account, entered my phone number, got the SMS code, entered it and all it did was say loading for ages and then "oups, an error has occured". Tinder have an image to protect and its highly understandable that they want to ensure that an app gets proper testing etc before being released to users. It's not such an uncommon thing actually.

What platform are you talking about? 6tindr so totally doesn't require you to fill in a phone number, nor get an SMS code to make it run. 6tindr for Windows Phone 8 is very stable on my phone, so what on earth are you talking about?

Signing in with a facebook account might trigger the 2 step SMS authentication if you have that enabled on FB.

Quality aside. The bottom line is Rudy did not have a license to use Tinder's services. He reverse engineered it and is essentially stealing their service and brand from them - for profit.

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