Nokia GDR3 Bittersweet Shimmer

Screenshots of Windows Phone 8 GDR3 and Nokia’s Bittersweet Shimmer surface

Update 2:30 AM ET: We have secondary confirmation that these images and features are authentic. More information at the end of the article.

Later this year, towards the November time frame, Microsoft is rumored to be releasing Windows Phone 8 General Distribution Release 3 (GDR3) along with alleged new firmware from Nokia named “Bittersweet shimmer” (originally reported by the site Nokiapoweruser). The OS update will once again enable new hardware features like advanced Qualcomm processors and 1080P display resolution, but it will also have numerous enhancements for current devices. The release will coincide with the availability of Nokia’s Lumia 1520 with a 6-inch display.

Tonight, a poster in the Windows Phone Central Forums with the handle xs2k has posted alleged screenshots running Windows Phone 8 OS Build 10484, supposedly taken from a Lumia 920 developer device picked up on Craig’s List.

Windows Phone Central has not been able to verify the authenticity of the screenshots but it does match what our inside sources have revealed to us off the record.

Nokia GDR3 Bittersweet Shimmer
Supposed screenshots of Windows Phone 8 GDR3 and Bittersweet Shimmer

The device appears to be a Lumia 920 with firmware based from India and there are four screenshots posted so far, including the one used in the lead simulated photo (note: that is not the actual alleged device). The four screenshots include Extras + Info (two pages of information), multi-tasking window and screen orientation lock.

System settings in GDR3, including Screen Rotation, Driving and About

In regards to the multitasking window, it is now evident that users would be able to close out applications by tapping a visible ‘X’ in the upper right hand corner. In addition, the app’s name and icon are listed below. We have heard from our sources that the app’s icon will be added to the multitasking window in addition to the ‘X’, lending credence to the authenticity of those screenshots. To further the story, we have also heard that GDR3 is going out to "trusted Microsoft sources", hinting that the release is nearing completion as far as development.

The fourth and final capture is that of the orientation screen lock where users will be able to toggle a switch to disable auto rotation.  Some of these features, including screen orientation lock, were revealed earlier in August on Reddit and later confirmed by the Verge.

GDR3 Driving
GDR3 Driving mode

The person who posted the images to our forums, xs2k, has also mentioned the Driver Mode and silent NFC (no confirmation message) as being present, though a screenshot was not provided at the time. However, more screenshots are expected to posted relatively soon in the same forum thread.

Update 2:30 AM ET: Windows Phone Central has learned of some additional features found in GDR3 through an additional source, unrelated to xs2k, that can be found below:

Additional Features in GDR3

  • Custom sounds for text, voice mail, e-mail, and reminders
  • Restore over Wi-Fi when you reset your phone
  • Huge amount of work on Bluetooth with various vehicles and devices

Update 3 AM ET: More screenshots, including Driving Mode posted

Source: Windows Phone Central Forums; Thanks, John, for the tip


Reader comments

Screenshots of Windows Phone 8 GDR3 and Nokia’s Bittersweet Shimmer surface



The same person that's in charge of the same group that brought you the amazing Windows Phone. Chill.

Not sure where you get 2 years's 1 year coming up...
However, I get your point...I personally don't care about that feature but others like closing programs in multi-task window and a notification centre would be awesome.
I personally believe the delays are because WP "blue" is the start of melding WIN 8 RT with WP8

you knew the limitations of the OS, if you didnt... you shoudl have checked them before getting windows phone and then maybe you wouldnt be complaining about all the features that are missing. you know none forced you to buy the phone.
why didnt you get another OS that had rotation lock already? oh yeah, you just want to complain.

HE just wants to complain? He points out the legitimate point that Windows Phone takes longer than it ideally would to bring basic features to the OS, but you are the one who comes in and speaks so rudely and agrily at people over the slightest dissention from the idea that the OS is perfection and shouldn't be spoken poorly of.

It is one thing to complain about a feature that is missing for a while. It is another to act like a spoilt child and complain even when the feature is added. I hate people like that. It is obvious that Microsoft has been busy with making gdr2 and gdr3 that is mostly to enable new hardware and capture new users. From blue onwards it will be about new features 100%. Stop bitching and just be glad that you are getting some new features even before blue.

They only take a a while to add features because they are first making Windows Phone compatible with a much wider variety of hardware first so they can better compete with android and also meet a better market. After GDR3, they will be pumping out updates much more quickly, but these will be feature updates. Do a quick search and you can find easily this is their plan. And also bring with windows phone for me means that yes, its an awesome system, but does need polishing, but the potential of the system makes it so mu h more awesome. Things take time. There's tons of work to do begins the scenes. Don't freak, just chill and enjoy a solid phone

Why would customers care about that? If people bought WP on the (still unfulfilled) promise of good Skype integration, as one of many examples, I think it's pretty sheep-like to care about MS's device rollout plan.
Care about the product, and you will get a better product.

pfft... please just shut up and if you can disappear do it, I blocked you in forum for a reason (many), you are annoying, ignorant, and not really smart. do the same in comment section "please". it was the point not to read your "intelligence" right?
god... why cant a person stay ignored from forum in comment section as well? (maybe i should complain about WPcentral like people do about win8 and the "disconnection" between some features lol)
But hey, I guess is it not complaining (for special people like you) saying "And it only took them 2 years (ehmm even though WP8 its only 1 year old anyway). Who is in charge of WP division?"? lol please... yeah, right, its not complaining /s
they are adding the damn feature, which not everyone needed, and it wasnt high priority and it didnt make the OS unusable not to have it. (and still they are adding this feature first than other more important fixes and features WP8 needs)
whats next, complain about every big or small feature because it wasnt from release of WP8, and then ask who is in charge of WP division only because YOU wanted a future and it wasnt priority for the OS and not every feature can be added at once? its obvious WP dont have some features compared to iOS or android, and other OS, if you cant deal with how "slow WP team is" and their priorities only because it doesnt have features you may want right now, then there are other alternative, and thats not a secret. often we dont get what we want at the rate we want, thats how life works, if you dont like that, again, its not a secret there is iOS and Android that are apparently fast to add features :)


think of this in another way...
If MS had really worked up lighnting fast, lagdroid would have gotten a serious blow, the Galaxy would be R.I.P and m not sure about Apple, guess it would still stick around.
MS slowed down to let Android survive to actually give it a challenge. Not just get knockout in the first round.
Believe me in this way, I think that this war will be far more interesting. and its Android vs Microsoft, not Apple, I think WP8 will surpass iOS in few years.
I'm actually thinking of keeping a diary and recording what is happening 

This is all wishful thinking, because by the time MS has worked all this out they are already late, I hope the new Nokia developers do something about this and take care of that big backlog of critical features that are just lying idle. BTW the Android team is not sitting idle. They churn out features that customers require faster than M$. The war will be intersting if the Nokia team replaces the lazy current Windows team. If Microsft continues to give the replies that our Joe Belfoire gives, and by doing features like changing the size of tiles, customes will show them the middle finger.
I would like to know the customer satisfaction of customers moving from other platforms to WP8, would it be difficult to get this data from AT&T/Verizone.

This is a key observation.  In absolute values (not proportionate ones) Android is growing faster than Windows Phone, is available on more kinds of hardware than Windows Phone, and is widening, not narrowing, the feature gap.
As Bart Simpson once said, "Let me get this straight. We’re behind the rest of our class and we’re going to catch up to them by going slower than they are?"

Oh sure, If MS changes its strategy after GDR3 (which I'm praying they would) will this Real Time Strategy seem interesting. right now it looks like a Pro player (Google) beat the shit out of the noob (MS).
I'm so sorry to use such language, but I'm obsessed with this Red Alert 3 :p
anyways, what I see here is that MS has the upper hand of the name Windows, the platform or ecosystem is complete, they provide a complete gadget need. so its either MS or Apple in the long run. Meanwhile I want MS to move to the fast lane or this WILL be another death for their mobile OS which I do not want. I simply want them to reach 15% market share only so that we have something to talk about besides Apple and Android, and it will also result in better products coming faster due to competition. Win-win for us :)

well I never said people dont want WP, I just said if someone needs a feature and it bothers them not to have it in the OS, they could just get some other phone and stop complaining when a feature IS ADDED. not everyone need some features, and only because Microsoft had other priorities (because there can be more important features to be added), its just simply stupid to complain about a feature being added when they are adding it, even if it took 1 year for that (yeah wp8 is 1 year old), and ask something like "who is in charge blabla" like if it was easy to develop a OS, and put priorities and what you can be added, what needs to wait. I mean, its not like the phone was unusable for not having a rotation lock and needed this feature for most people (because everyone suffered from that but it wasn't an important feature for most people).

If he is anything like me, such basic features were not even a consideration while researching. Don't get me wrong, I love my L920, and can live with its limitations, but we're far enough in the game that a reasonable person would expect a modern OS to have features like rotation lock and custom notification tones from the start. These things are a huge oversight of Microsoft because the are so basic, and there is really no excuse for their absence up to this point. 

Exactly my thoughts. Coming from S^3 it was a rude shock to me to find out that some very basic things were missing in my L920 (WP8) , but I love my phone and Nokia ( :cries: ) so much that I have learnt to live with it.
I am glad that things are starting to lookup a little

Maybe because Windows only anounces the good points of the OS that makes people go out and get it only to find out later that it's lacking simple features.

It's our fault for not researching and MS should be excused for not publishing limitations?
Alrighty then... glad I went back to Android. You people are f'd in the head.

You are wrong. In my case, Microsoft forced me to buy their phone. In my university, I had to learn Visual Studio, C#,, Windows etc. In other word, all products belong to Microsoft were used in my university. During the test, or assignment, we were forced to use microsoft product such as Visual Studio to complete the assignment. After I graduated, I need to apply those knowledges in working area and again I have to use Microsoft products (the Windows Phone). Why do I need to waste my time to dig on Android or iOS when I already gained knowledge on Microsoft products? This OS limitation is not only bad for normal users but they are bad for developers too. People are complaining to improve their service and that's not a bad thing.
You can see some apps publish by developers on the Windows Store have this description: "Please don't leave a bad comment, this is the limitation of the OS not the app". Developers are suffering with this OS. You have seen it.

Then you should have enrolled in another school if you don't like using MS products.
If you are now finished with schooling then just sell them and buy Android/iOS = problem solved!

Only after a second year of study, I started to realise that I was being forced to use MS products. It wasn't possible for me quit from the school.

If you can do that you can do Java or Objective C. They're not too different; just not as nice languages as C#. If you're going to have a development career you'll be retraining your entire life. I'm currently learning Erlang in my spare time, for example.

But then he'd have to learn Objective C or C++ or java. Oh, the horror of an IT person having to learn more after college!

Wow, what a stretch... Microsoft made me buy their phone....

Maybe it's not the phone, but the college you should have researched better, to ensure that they had an Android track?

Obviously it's a top school. They taught MS tech. It sounds, though, like top isn't what you wanted.

And he said it look him two years to realize he was being forced to buy MS products - could you imagine that, took two long years to know that.

Ah, a bitter student!! I don't mean to belittle you, but you are still learning - the university is sensible to use ms stuff with teaching - most development in the IT world is based around ms products. It is pointless being taught about open office when almost every business uses ms office. Not everyone uses it, and their are other areas you can specialise in later, but if you want a good chance to get a job they are best to teach you the most common stuff.

As for missing features harming developers i really haven't found it an issue at all - in fact some features that are missing are missing on purpose, to make the phone right for the average consumer (which almost no one reading this site will be).

Some things may seem simple to implement - like close a running app...but what impact does this have on the running apps and keeping backwards compatibility. As a developer you should know that sometimes making what looks to be the mist simple change is actually a nightmare - heck, most of us are only developing little apps, not a full blown OS!!

> Ah, a bitter student!!
Ah, a clueless person!!
> I don't mean to belittle you, but you are still learning - the university is sensible to use ms stuff with teaching - most development in the IT world is based around ms products.
It's a good thing at least Microsoft realised that they stopped being the center of the IT industry some time ago. Because if they weren't trying to adapt they'd soon be very shrunk company being stomped on by Google like nothing.
Anywhoo, schools teaching the use of products instead of the concepts and basics of computer science are crap. Makes me wonder what kind of "top university" that should be...

You poor thing. Forced to use a particular product. It's called life, and the same thing happens in the real world. The fix is a different school/job.

It's not a complaint. I love WP over any other OS. OS is amazing, but it's hard for people to buy WP when it doesn't have features that were present on a 2010 Symbian devices. The problem is that Microsoft made a good OS, but they skipped on such simple, basic features that it is hard for people to love it. If they keep on developing so slowly, WP will never get any significant market share. Microsoft preached their usual BS that buying Nokia would speed up the process, but talk is cheap.

Joe Belfiore's is in charge of the Windows Phone divsion. He's the Corporate VP and Manager of the WP Team. I'm following his twitter for news on WP's development.

I don't know why do you want it, I prefer the possibility to switch rotation, not locking it, sometimes it's better the horizontal mode than vertical mode, I think that it's an useless feature

The feature will give users the OPTION to lock the screen. How is increasing customers options "useless" is beyond my understanding.... and this is the reason why I do not like Apple products....

At this point I could care less about new features, fix the damn issue where the Live Tiles stop updating. This has been problem since 2010, it's the main selling feature of the OS and a pain in the ass to fix.

The only live tile I have problems with is the ESPN Scorecenter tile. Since its the only one that stops working for me, I got to assume that its app not the phone.

I agree with the OP.  This is all just moving way way way to slow.  A year from release of WP8 and only now coming out with GDR2 having minor updates? 
They've made improvements in productivity because in the past that would have taken 3 years.  But they only went from 1st gear to 2nd while Google is consistently moving in 5th.   They HAVE to start moving faster and stop losing the battles otherwise the whole war could be lost in as little as 5 more years.   

Thanks.  I got that.  I was just making a general comment, like many on this thread, about the pace of releasing improvements, enhancements, even bug fixes.  
We all saw the Comscore numbers yesterday.  Flat growth in the US.   Yay, bring on screen lock feature!  Not going to win that way.   They need MAJOR improvements to this OS just to CATCH UP to Android let alone pass it.  
I guess I'm a little frustrated because my income depends on people holding and sitting in front of Windows based products.  Sorry if I sound frustrated sometimes. 

I see it a different way. I went from Android (HTC Evo) to WP7 (HTC Titan). Features that I noticed immediately on WP7 that were surprisingly absent on Android were no random phone reboots, no constant app force closes even on built-in features like mail, no gradual OS slow down over time, no need to manage the OS to try and keep it from imploding, and 18 hours of battery life compared to 4 hours on Android. But at least Android had screen lock.

Also, I don't understand the volume issue. On my now Lumia 928 I have different volumes for the phone ringer (currently at 15), music while playing through the phone speaker or headset (set to 10) and music while playing through Bluetooth (set to 30).

Ms is the largest software and OS company, and we don't know why they taking so long to update and adding features in wp. Oh god MS keep doing fast.

Agree with you, now I just want the Nokia's Device and Services Department can bring us fast updates for the windows phone.

I can see your point. Lumping the updates would make sense for phones such as my 820, since GDR2 doesn't really unlock to much for it.

Cool we can be six updates behind with AT&T. They should be legally forced to unlock our phones if they aren't going to upgrade the $800 phone I am paying monthly for. That is like a car manufacturer refusing to w your car for repairs until it is paid off. Some of us have features broken that will be fixed with GDR2 (Many automatic things like podcast downloads. Every Podcast dev you take to say that problem is fixed in GDR2).

Let's all file a class action lawsuit against them. That's the only way to stop these companies from doing and getting away with things like this. I'm not a lawsuit kinda guy but it is ridiculous and I am tired of companies shitting on us.

And like you said, we pay 600-800 for these phones and then get raped on the monthly contract prices. It would be like buying Madden on the 360, EA releasing an update and MS not allowing us to get that update. Wouldn't go to well for them.

Well at least in reality it definitely will. Operator locked phones will need their approval and unlocked phones will need to be certified by Microsoft in that region. In all probability this is bound to happen.

You sound pretty confident Daniel, and you know much more than I but it seems almost unbelievable that some people will get GDR2 at the end of September and then only a month later get another update.
Unless you mean that it will be ready to START rolling out in November, in which case I'll just go stand in the corner.

LOL you guys are talking of two separate but related things. GDR3 will indeed be ready by November and in fact will be inside the new form factors like the 1520. That's one thing. The other thing is pushing it to existing devices already in the hands of users. That one will probably extend to 2014 - but then again maybe it will not. Time will tell. But If I were a betting man, I'd bet on it extending to 2014.

Well, the first devices will be unlocked in November. Add the normal 30 day window plus the holidays.... January.

I am lucky enough to have two at&t 920' stock and waiting and one with the unbranded French gdr2+amber........ill just wait for the flashing to commence and also wait for at&t :)

Yes it probably will, at least for ATT.  At best, ATT will deliver late December. Given holiday time off, that's unlikely to happen.. so indeed, early 2014 for ATT.  I am only saying this from evidencing ATT's GDR2 update timeline. It appears that non essential Windows Phone updates don't get quick attention by ATT  whereas for Veriszon and Tmobile... another story.

Bittersweet Shimmer sounds hilarious, but still cooler than KitKat I suppose. But if the content and pictures are legit, I'm SO looking forward to this update. Multitasking improvement is in the top 3 of my list of needed updates. Really hope they will have a fix for dying live tiles and some sort of better notification system

I love it too.  It makes you think unlke KitKat.  Most people don't know, but it's named after the Crayola shade "Bittersweet Shimmer" :-)

I think its been implemented this way to ensure that users don't accidentally hit the background and cancel the MTasking process.

They get the waste of developer time, unneeded feature they've been whining about, because they miss their androids, and what do they do? Whine.

Yeah, I would like to see the gestures, as much as possible, match Windows 8/RT. Swipe in from the left to switch quickly between apps, swipe down from the top to close the app, swipe up from the bottom to bring up settings (although I imagine this will frustrate people who continually hit the capacitive buttons), and swipe in from the right to get to other pages in the app (note: to get this to work you'd only be able to swip one way in the app, which some people might not like, but I think it could work by encouraging developers to make their apps more like the start screen itself: scrolling downard).

With Metro in mind, it should be a swipe gesture, not a stupid "X".
Not to mention to unify the experience with Windows8.

Just a thought, the ios7 has an upward swipe to close the notifications right? A downward swipe in wp will make it more similar to ios and thats why the X mark maybe?

Actually, this feature for me personally is needed especially as the current method of terminate an app isn't 100% 'works first time' process. Though it isn't the be all end all for the platform, I was a little surprised that MS didn't have it from WP7 as the function has long lived in Windows plus the feature will help to stream the UX of WP.

Actually, it is needed. While holding the back key brings up the tile, it only allows for fast navigation. I get very tired of doing the back key mash to get out of something. And if you have done any serious browsing, forget it. There needs to be a simple elegant way of exiting out of an AP that closes it and release the resources. Of all the features leaked, I think this is the most basic feature that should have been included since launch.

Most basic in your mind, most unnecessary in reality. If you look at the link I posted above, you can see that I have explained in great detail why what you describe doing is nothing more than a waste of time.

I don't find a need for it since applications roll off the list and close themselves. I would rather have the option to lock an app from closing or rolling off the list. This way when I'm on a business trip I can keep my TripIt or Delta app running, or Twitter running while at a conference without them closing as I use other apps.

How about the ability to switch to silent without having to go to the settings and lastly text ringtones. Mine would be the MGS alert noise :)

Do you not know you can silence the phone by pressing any volume control and clicking on that bell? That's like one of the most basic things to know about windows phone. I am baffled that you do not know that.

If u turn vibrate off in settings than u can... But if you have ringer on and vibrate on ur only option is vibrate from the volume rocker.

Thanks JESTER. I've never turned off my vibrate feature but doing so eliminates the vibrate :( So no matter what I'd have to go back into the settings for all 3 options.

No you cant... If you have vibrate on, you cannot switch to FULL silent that way. Which is ridicilous! MS, why there isnt possibility to toggle all options without going from settings?

They left that feature out so they would have time to build in the unnecessary x on the multi-tasking screen.

I already have that on my Lumia 928. My phone ringer is set to 15, media through the phone speaker or headset it at 10, and media through Bluetooth is at 30. Can you not do this on your device?

Oh, and a feature WP has that Android didn't when I had Android is that when I disconnect from Bluetooth music stops playing. On Android it would start playing through the phone speaker after a minute or two delay.

Nokia has repeatedly stated that all WP8 Lumia devices will be updated to GDR2/Amber by the end of September. I'm not sure what the problem is besides individual carriers taking longer to test.

I'm on Verizon and while I was initially excited that GDR2/Amber came so quickly, it seems that they didn't test it really well. Head over to the 928 forums and you'll see that it caused all sorts of bugs, including major 'lock ups' that require repeated soft resets. Seemingly, at least AT&T is being more careful with their update.

The 928 seems to have always had a lot of problems, same with the 920 (my perception anyway). I wonder if the device itself has inherent faults.
I've had no problems since the update with my 822.

True to that. We have three 822s and two 928s in our family. No problems with any if the 822s. Still, I love my 928. Because of its exclusivity it often gets little attention, but it is, unquestionably, the best phone on any platform that you can get for free on contract. For free! It's madness.

Hoping that you are right. I have a Lumia 720 and still waiting for GDR2 in Romania. And I really don't understand why L720 isn't more popular, it wasn't released in US? :). Oh, and I will always choose 720 instead of 920 because of the smaller body. I like them thin ;)

Well, my 920 is unbranded and I received GDR2 + Amber just last week. MS released GDR2 to OEMs at the end of April. IF MS will release GDR3 by the end of September we will not receive it before January.... If we are lucky.

If the same happens with GDR3, i guess the update comes during December or January (hope they roll out GDR3 faster than GDR2) :)

As much as I love WP8 and my Lumia...the inability of Microsoft to add even basic features into their OS is truly ridiculous. It took them this long to add screen rotation lock? I'm glad they're finally adding it but other stuff bugs me. Why can't I cycle through silent, vibration and ring from the volume panel? Is that really so difficult to program? Why do toast notifications not work for 80% of apps? Why do live tiles die and never update even when background tasks are turned on for the app? I really wonder sometimes if Microsoft is even trying to compete. I can't say I'll stay with windows phone when my contract expires if Microsoft doesn't start competing with iOs and Android.

I believe they say that for almost every update. In the end when some of the issues are resolved, new ones pop up.
The thing is most of them are minor issues, which brings the question "is it that hard?".
Other storage is still a major architectural problem, SkyDrive grey albums in phothubs is small, but never fixed. I can't even attach videos from my library.
This is a feature that should be allowed since day 1 out of the box.

You may believe "they" say that for every update... but the fact is "they" don't.
MS has been clear about updates from the beginning.
1 major OS update a year and a small update nearly quarterly for fixes and hardware additions.

That doesn't change the fact from what I said. They'd fix sth quarterly, and like I said new "minor" problems pop up. Another thing is, these quarterly updates haven't fixed much minor issues.

I honestly believe alot of these issues are due to patents/licensing and sue happy companies like Apple and Samsung. I know we had alot of these features in windows mobile but not in windows phone. It's not like MS to not roll something over unless there was a reason behind it.

The big reason is the revamp of kernel from WP7 to 8. That essentially made them almost start over.

I still don't see why this is such a big deal for people.  I don't personally have a need for it (not to say noone does) but maybe they prioritized things and that was fairly low on the list of critical functionality behind bug fixes and hardware support and so forth.  Glad for those who need it but as for me I'll probably never switch it after trying to find a reason to need it at some point.

I agree. Yes, they announced a plan of updates...except that plan isn't good enough for an OS that still lacks so much when compared to the competition. They need to work faster and remove carriers from the equation.

Instead of screen lock you get a stable OS that you don't have to manually manage to keep it somewhat stable, an OS that doesn't slow down over time, and all day battery life. I had none of those features on Android from two years ago, but I did have them even on the first run of WP7.

I guess you never used a Lumia 900, my one suffered of random reboots at least two or three times a day...

So true even with fairly recent androids.  My other phone for development is a Galaxy Nexus - I hate that damn thing!  Apps crash, laggy scrolling and it is a clunky mess compared to WP8.

I think that they should had put the X in the bottom in order for the thumb to reach it easily.

I wish for the multitasking page they incorporated something more elegant like the swipe up to be featured on the ios7. Windows phone really took the swipe and reinvented it in its wide metro UI design for sliding across pages in an app, so I see it as a disservice to just have a large x, besides it is rather ugly (of course I understand this is an early state) and I wouldn't even see it as being a copy of ios7, with sliding up to end apps, think of it as the only logical and rational move for a beautiful UI. Besides ios7 has done so much "borrowing" not just in the flat tiles buts even in app design like their new calculator, and even their use of swiping to the side in apps! Lets go Microsoft/Nokia make it as seamless and beautiful as possible!!

There is nothing to borrow from, Windows 8 has "drag down to close", so if WP would borrow from somewhere it would be straight from it's big brother, even the swipe in from the side to switch Apps is in Windows 8, plenty of features they can backport to WP

Everyone is not understanding that W8 IS A DESKTOP OS. If they could add all the features of W8, they could, but you guys are missing the point. WP8 doesn't nearly have as much processing power as w8, that's why they can't have multitasking like it does. Same with the swipe to close, and apps truly running in the background. Microsoft is trying as hard as they can to unify the two (or three, if you count rt separately) OSes with the resources they have. Obviously, if a task requires more CPU power than they have available, they have to alter it. That said, I still think they are doing a good job of adding features while still making it very similar (but not exact, like iPads and iPhones being EXACTLY alike).

No one is asking for them to make it like the W8 versions but there are certain things they can, should, and are implementing. I'm sad it didn't happen sooner but I have had WP since 7.5 and I have bought 3 total so im not just complaining just trying to further the discourse. But if io7 can add it it can't be something specific to desktop version.

Sliding up to close is a webos feature way before iOS and Microsoft started to us it. I don't know why Microsoft didn't add it to wp multitasking.

I can't believe how aggravated I still get when I think about this. I know non-webOS users get tired of hearing about how great webOS is/was, but the way it handled multitasking with cards, etc. was so nice. It's so bizarre to me that everyone is finally seeing the value in this. And on that note, you should be swiping UP to remove the running tasks, NOT swiping down or tapping an X. It's all about speed and ergonomics. Your thumbs are already at the bottom of the screen and it's much quicker and more comfortable to swipe up from that position.

I agree with you, that's why I highlighted the swipe up cuz it just feels most natural. Its kinda like why is HTC sticking with the lock button on top its just difficult to reach u have to reposition your hand to reach it!

I think slide down to close would be many users would never discover it. I come across people all the time who have no idea how to close open apps on their iphone.

WP has gestures that work because they are intuitive to the user, not hidden.

That's like showing a trailer for insidious 3 when insidious 2 is still rolling into theatres. Still on its way to my theatre.

I'll take 3 anyways if it comes out soon enough :D