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The beast is out. Microsoft releases Portico update to more Lumia owners

Just as we covered UK mobile operator EE rolling out the Windows Phone 8 update, reports have flooded in from multiple markets, including Italy, Germany and Russia. We're witnessing Microsoft gradually open the flood gates to release the Portico update to more consumers, which is a sign that progress is strong and issues are few and far between.

Unfortunately, we only know of Nokia hardware receiving the Portico update. This is a downer for those who wield Samsung or HTC Windows Phone 8 devices. We previously looked at both Germany and Italy being bumped to the latest version of Windows Phone, but this marks the start of a more global push.

Have you received the Portico update? Be sure to let us know in the comments.

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Rich Edmonds
Rich Edmonds

Rich Edmonds is Senior Editor of PC hardware at Windows Central, covering everything related to PC components and NAS. He's been involved in technology for more than a decade and knows a thing or two about the magic inside a PC chassis. You can follow him over on Twitter at @RichEdmonds.

  • Nothing here yet. Lumia 920, Germany.
  • Same here :(
    " I have checked into this for you the answer is that not all IMEI’s (handset serial numbers) are going to have the update available at the same time this is simply because everyone would try and update their handset at the same time causing the update to crash. I have it on good authority that the update should be available to you very soon however I cannot specify exactly what batch your handset will be in."
  • Are you with any carrier or is it an unbranded phone? 'cause I've a T-Mobile 920 and I'm receiving it right now. Try this: go to "phone update" and do a manual search. The phone didn't tell me I had the update but when I did the manual search it showed up.
  • I have an unbranded device. Did the manual search. Unfortunately to no avail.
  • I have an unlocked/unbranded 920, here is what Nokia told me about recieving Portico:
    " I have checked into this for you the answer is that not all IMEI’s (handset serial numbers) are going to have the update available at the same time this is simply because everyone would try and update their handset at the same time causing the update to crash. I have it on good authority that the update should be available to you very soon however I cannot specify exactly what batch your handset will be in."
  • The beast is awaiting its German visa! ;)
  • Yippeee,  just downloading it now, on EE in UK, i had to do a manual search,
  • Yep Same Here..!!  Downloading it now..!!
  • Heh, Portico all the way to Romania. Granted, the phone's german
  • Nothing yet for Verizon 822
  • Blame Verizon (and MS for changing the way we get updates).
  • WOW! It's now the 6th of Feb. and still nothing. No word on the 8X either (which is what I have). Darn it!
  • Just downloading it now!  Excited.
  • Update to germany coming. Here is the official post from Nokia Germany :
  • Guess Verizon in US is missing the boat.....again
  • Surprise, surprise.
  • I'm on Verizon as well with an 8x. We always seem to be the last to be taken care of. It was also like this when I had an Android phone on Verizon; the updates were always released WAY after every other carrier.
  • Funny, with the Trophy we had updates before everyone else...
  • Is this while on Verizon?
  • yea, the Verizon Trophy got updates faster than any other carrier....but, with my 8X, I am disapointed so far.
    Wasn't the big thing at the MS WP8 press statement where updates would come from Microsoft and not the carriers...another lie by MS, just like the beta testing link where we could test updates before everyone else...still waiting on that..
  • Even more strange is that I saw on the Verizon forums where someone reported that a Verizon rep told them that Portico was pushed out on Dec 22, 2012 but there was some error and engineers were trying to solve the issue....dont really believe that story though. IF it were true, would give Verizon a nod to at least trying sooner than later...
  • Got it a couple of weeks ago for my 8x on Vodafone in the uk!
  • My 820 on VFUK has Portico as loaded by Nokia Care. Doesn't stop the soft reboots.
  • Strange, my Mrs has an 820 - its NEVER rebooted.
  • My fathers 820 doesn't seem to do it, but my mums did when it arrived - had to be replaced like mine the month before.
    It seems I'm the only one unlucky enough to have the reboots so 'active' on my handset. Nokia Care returned my handset repaired and within 5 minutes it had rebooted, then did it in a call which never previously happened. So unhappy with it, but WP8 is great when it works. I missed my WP while it was out at Nokia Care. Used an ipod for my smartphone needs, totally useless in comparison.
  • I want to know when the next 8.1 update is coming?
  • I bet we'll find out about the next version in a few weeks at mobile world congress again like usual.   I just hope they push for faster updates, but I've had portico on my 8x since before NYE in mid December.   Looking at it all, I'd say MS has moved quick with this update.
  • I agree. I've had portico since Dec as well. I'm very interested in finding out what new updates they'll bring. Hopefully there is xbm and sync updates for those that do not have win 7/8. Also call blocker would be awesome too.
  • They spent 2 years changing the core to WinRT, and functionally its the same as 7.x
    They need to mature the platform and add features QUICK!
    Profiles, proper notification centre, more customisation of tones. (LED lights)
    Otherwise, people like me will tire of the Windows Phone experience that hasn't moved on, and I will try something like BB10 instead.
  • nothing on my sim free 820 phone in the uk
  • Same :(
  • Same! :'(
  • Same for me, mines and unbranded one on EE.
  • I have the update. I'm with at&t and have the 920
  • Did you just get your 920 recently? Cuz portico has been out since Dec for 920
  • Yes I got it about two weeks ago.
  • recieved and install it manually. 
  • received in Italy this evening, installed and everything went fine :)
  • Nothing from Hong Kong
  • Nothing on DNA Finland yet... still waiting...
  • Remember when Microsoft talked about creating a program for registered users to get early access to updates?  Whatever happened with that?
  • Just going to ask the same thing.
  • Same here....
  • We should all tweet Joe Belfiore!
  • ^ I Agreed
  • Received uae/middle east.
  • Is yours tied to any carriers? I bought my 920 off the rack, and have not received it.
  • Whatsapp can now remove the fake music stream API because most of the wp8 phones run on portico right now.  If the API is removed we can decide if our wifi will stay on or not on screen lock and don't have to deal with that anoying API anymore.
  • Most of the WP8 are NOT on Portico.
  • Okay I ment 'will be in a very short time.'
  • Shouldn't matter anyway... a dev can always use different methods on different OS's...
  • Nothing for the 822 on Verizon
  • Just received in Italy and installing right now
  • I've just received it on my T-Mobile Deutschland branded Lumia. Wich meas carriers are also releasing it. This is unbelievable. I've got the Portico on my 920 BEFORE I get the 7.8 on my Lumia 800...
  • The T-Mobile update is already rolling out, many have confirmed it. Well i still have to wait i have the unlocked 920. Someone said  people like me that bought the phone off contract are being punished for spending a lot of money for buying it. One would normally expect the people that got the phone off contract to get the updates first, well lets keep our fingers crossed.
  • Received it last week on Lumia 920 in South Africa
  • 822 Verizon, nothing yet.  Who gets the updates and When?  ...Is this a carrier decision or a Microsoft decision ??
  • Bug Fix = Beast is out? Helarious!
  • Nothing in Sweden yet.....
  • 920 orange. Downloading now 
  • Downloading the update here in Italy with locked carrier TIM! FINALLY!
  • Telenor Norway, Update available
  • Indeed! :D
  • Just installing. UK EE 920.
  • Finland/DNA, nothing yet...
  • Update stops at 100% preparing installation section
  • Just wait a while, it will continue
  • Keep waiting, don't worry it just takes abit. Myn was about 5-10 minutes then it'll pop up :)
  • Really? Are y'all on WiFi? If not, that may be the reason why it's taking so long.
  • I think in this stage the ammount of data and stuff stored on the phone is the reason for the long duration. 
    I had to wait 15 min. The download over wifi was faster thou.
  • Just downloading :-)
    (Lumia 820, unbranded, Germany)
  • That's great news, the unbranded 920 update can't be far away. I keep checking for the update every minute :)
  • Worked for me in Norway with operator Telenor
  • Unbranded Lumia 820 - I just manual checked, nothing yet.
  • Portico update installing on my 920 in Beirut, Lebanon =) (factory unlocked)
  • Just installed it on sim free 920 from P4U
  • Same, v quick and no problems. Earlier than Nokia said for UK.
  • Just updated my Lumia 920 with portico here in the UAE
  • Lumia820-Germany... Just installed portico minutes ago!
  • Is there ANY word when Verizon Lumina 822 or any Verizon updates are coming
  • Just got it on Orange (EE) in the UK for my Lumia 920. Phone seems alot quicker now. Also loving the ability to keep wifi online when the screen is off.
  • nothing in Telekom Slovakia, unbranded Lumia 920
  • I have had Portico since December on my unbranded HTC 8X in Switzerland. I am wondering why Nokia is so slow...
  • The htc 8s doesn't get this update right?
  • Anyone knows how do I revert back from early Portico from Navifirm and get this genuine EE update? I can't seem  to find old ROM and firmware on Navifirm
  • Nothing in Australia for the 920 on Telstra.
  • I have an unbranded unlocked Lumia 920, bought in Dubai: RM-821_im_mea3_306. 3 (UK) is my sim card's network but I'm in Italy these days. I went to check into settings if I could update. Yes! Upgraded over wifi!
  • Verizon users haven't actually been able to use the new Nokia phones yet.  Verizon shipped the new WP8 phones with no OS while waiting for WP8 to finish passing Verizon's internal certification.  Verizon hopes to complete this certification later this year or early 2014.
  • Nothing in Austria, either :/
  • finally - arrived in uk
  • Nothing on uk lumia 820 sim freen from phones 4 u. 
  • 920 Nigeria no update yet
  • Portico download and installed. No problems. UK/EE/920.
  • Does anyone have a problem with the sms reject option? I can edit the message i want people to receive, but when someone call it doesn't give me an option to to reject! Lumia 920 orange uk
  • Have you turned on the option within SMS settings?
  • Yep its on, and i don't know why this don't work... Help
  • It only works with incoming mobile calls and only ones that are in your contacts.
  • Yeah, I've asked a few people to call me who are on my contacts list ,but to no avail, doesn't work! Fail. Aarrrgh such is life.
  • Perhaps Orange UK has blocked the feature. Any other Orange users experiencing the problem?
  • I'm on Orange, have this feature working. However mine is unofficial portico
  • Are they calling from their mobile? AND have you saved the number as mobile in your phone? Home or work cant ofcourse be texted back!
  • And you are absolutely right, thanks , the people who called me were not saved under mobile, thanks, this works well.
  • Downloading now on 920, UAE/Middle East
  • Downloaded and installed in Norway (Telenor) :)
  • Sim free unlocked Lumia 920 nothing so far Belfast, Ireland
  • Nokia Lumia 820 on EE, UK update done 2 hours ago, however my wifi keeps dropping off when lock screen is on. Was this not suppose to have been addressed? Anyone else finding this?
  • You have to go in "advanced" in WiFi and tick a box that says keep wifi alive!
  • Thanks just realised
  • Do you have a problem with the sms reject , when i get a call i don't have the option to reject with sms,
  • It works for me, but not all the time. 9 out of 10 times, the reply with text option is there.
  • Got it on my L820 on At&t SC, USA
  • so my wife got it on her djuice (Telenor) phone, but I haven't received it on my developer unit (nokia provided). I'm using Telenor network.
    Both phones L920's.
  • Hmm, couldn't edit on my surface. Forgot to specify we're in Norway.
  • Just realised you have to opt in to keep WiFi on under lock screen. Now I am happy
  • That is like the best new improvement. No more of that wifi glowing/connecting thing every time the phone comes out of lock screen.
  • Got it on Lumia 820 & 920 on both UAE & South Africa models.
    Did not try them out yet, but updates installed fine.
  • Yay, my 'sim free' (but still locked) EE Nokia Lumia 920 has for the update! Did have to manually look for it but probably coz it was on battery saver by time I got home today. Looking forward to always on wifi!
  • 920 ..Nothing ..Malaysia
  • I'm sure Samsung handsets will be updated by the to me WP9 is released :-o
  • Right!! Lol..
  • Screeew Portico!! I want WP8.5❗❗ lol....
  • So how long does the update take? My Lumia 820 reboots and stops at "NOKIA" for quite a while. Is this expected?
  • Unbranded, Australia, Lumia 920. Still nothing
  • Hopefully Australia can get it pretty soon, finger crossed.
  • Just downloaded the update ....took a while....Adelaide, Australia
  • Vodafone Australia, Lumia 820, just finished downloading, wow, before Telstra :P
  • Voda are the best for updates of any kind in Australia.
    Hopefully Telstra, who seem to be the worst, will get this out fast for me.
  • It seems that Telstra will rolling out the update on 4th Feb.
  • You're right cuidia, got my update last night (4 Feb 2013), downloaded, installed and so far I'm very happy!!  Will see how it go over the next few days.  There definitely seem to be an increase in battery life, amongst other tweaks...
  • May get updates before Telstra but Telstra has a better service all round. I can't even use my phone at home cause of the constant drop outs!!
  • I suppose it depends where you are, I moved from Optus to Telstra to get better reception where I am moving to 100kms out of Brisbane, however it has resulted in me getting worse reception where I am currently living which is 10kms from Brisbane. Meanwhile my girlfriend who is with Voda gets good reception at both sites!  Oh well, can't win them all!
  • Got it for my Lumia 920 with Telenor, Norway :)
  • It seems that Telstra will rolling out the update on 4th Feb.
  • Downloading for Lumia 920, Telenor norway.
  • Indiana, HTC 8x, Verizon. No update. Am getting frustrated with the WP8 experience BC of stuff like this as well as the lack of app development :(
  • Russia, Lumia 920, not updated :(
  • 822 VZW, nothing yet
  • I hv got my updates for Lumia 920 for uae
    I hv unlock Lumia 920
  • At last......downloading now!
  • Nothing in Thailand
  • No Portico in Hong Kong yet. :(
  • Unbrand RM-821_eu_euro2_248 on US T-mobile, there is no update yet for me :( ...
  • Same here
  • 920 on EE in the UK. Just did a check for updates and something is installing right now...
  • 920 from phones4u using t-mobile UK. Just check and update in progress. Its waiting as my battery doesn't have enough juice :)
  • Looks like the folks on Easter Island are going to get the update before Verizon pushes it out.
  • Anyone from Australia with an unlocked device seeing it yet?
  • I have unlocked yellow 920. I'm in Perth and still nothing. Oh and I'm using an Optus sim. Any luck your end yet?
  • Didn't we here in the US get this already? Or was that another unrelated update
  • Still nothing for the BUILD 920, kinda pissing me off right now.
  • Nothing here in the UK (Lumia 820 on O2)  anyone else? 
  • Here in India i have got version 8.0.10211.204. Does that mean Portico has come preinstalled?
  • Yep.
  • yes you have it preinstalled :)
  • I do confess that i am a nerd. Feel happy that i have portico preinstalled but miss the joyful process of getting an update & installing it.
  • so right, updating yourself is a different feeling :D
  • lol many updates will be released in the future you will get your chance :P
  • I'm from Guatemala and just get Portico today O_o
  • No "Portico" love from Microsoft/Nokia here in Singapore.
  • Update done here in the UAE. 4G option is now enabled in the settings menu. Now my Lumia 920 is complete. :)
  • same here :)
  • Waited long enough to be anxious about this update. Haven't heard good things about it either.
  • Nothing so far on a factory unlocked Lumia 820 on Voda in UK
  • I have an unlocked Lumia 920 bought from USA : RM-821_eu_poland_360. I believe it is a Poland Orange branded phone. I stay in Mumbai, India and Vodafone, Mumbai is my sim card's network. No sign of the Portico update here for me. Any thots?
  • Polish Lumia bought from USA? Wow, the phony US Lumia shortage just got even more hilarious.
  • Sim Free Unlocked Lumia 920 from Thailand. NO UPDATE as yet :(
  • Nothing yet for my unlocked Lumia 920 - Hong Kong version.  It seems that Asia is always the last to get updates ;( .  Its strange they would not push it to unlocked versions 1st because the software confuguration is both standardized.
  • I'm also patiently waiting here in thailand. I wish they would give a more specific date as to when the asian market will recieve it. That way if its not till the end of feb or march... i can just take it up to MBK nokia care and have them flash the new firmware. 
  • Luckily for me, the phone came with Portico update out of the box. We folks here (India) do get our phones released late, but I guess, this update thing is like compensation for that.
  • Got it in India. No, it was not included coz the phone was bought from Middle East/UAE. :-)
  • Nothing here in South Africa yet, for my Lumia 920. Any idea on release date?
  • Unlocked models still without update in Finland. Waited following problems to be fixed for two months now: Blurry pics, poor battery life, sudden bootups, black screen when calling, tethering cut outs (if 3g drops). Let's see what it will fix.
  • Blow really hard to the upper right corner, where the Nokia logo is. Helped me for the black screen. Kyllä lähtee! ;)
  • Stop complaining and wait.
  • Updated, but nothing really jumps at me about the update. Seems like i did not even update in the first place
    UPDATE- Only visible change i find is under Mobile network where there is now the options of 4G. Was only up to 3G before
  • Got a unlocked phone from Germany iam on telia's Network in Denmark and no update yet
  • Got it a month ago for my HTC 8X in the Netherlands.
  • Same here but ive had one today anyway...
  • Anyone who purchased unlocked from that have recieved an Update? Mine shows nothing.
  • No update yet for unlocked 920 here in Malaysia..
  • Downloading it now....India :D
  • Just had a look at the OS Version  on my 920 and it looks like I already have it. Must have been happened while the phone was in for repairs.
  • Unlocked 920 Model RM_821_eu_euro2_248 with congstar SIM (T-Mobile Germany PrePaid). No Update available.
  • I had an update on my 8x in December and then another today? What's changed this time? Firmware number has changed in about section.
  • No Portico yet for undbranded Lumia 920 in Norway
  • Austria still without update.
  • yeah, I'm in your boat. Royal bummer, too. While I usually don't even care it IS starting to bug me. I mean: Come on, the whole bloody world seems to have gotten it!
  • Got update last night after manually checking prompted by the wpcentral article. Lumia 920 EE UK on PAYG. Prior to update I had a wifi problem where it would not reconnect to eduroam at my University - kept prompting for login details to be reentered. Unfortunately, I've checked, and this update doesn't fix that problem. It still persists, which is very disappointing.
    (The problem with the UK keyboard not auto correcting words also isn't fixed. I still need to use the US keyboard.)
  • Unlocked 920 in UK on virgin got the update last night but am not happy as my battery life has been ruined. Yesterday it showed 50% at 11pm today it's at 80% after 2 hours. Gutted :-(
  • Noel: discarge until it shuts down, restart, drain until it shuts down, restart, etc until it cant turn on again. Then charge it for 12-18+ hours. Should recalibrate your battery.
  • I already did this after i bought it so will try again. Thanks for the reminder :-)
  • 920 Updated last night in Norway. Telenor carrier.Don't know if updates are carrier specific.
    My old 800 was (same carrier). I waited for weeks..
  • Battery power must take a hit with always on wifi. So far, noticed 3G+ and H+ with connections now with EE 920 using T Mob chip.
  • Nothing so far for Lumia 920 Indonesia. Looks like Asia's getting the latest :(
  • Got it last night for the L820 whilst doing a manual check... Am on O2 in the UK :-)
  • Im on O2 UK too (Lumia 820) and got no update...  what does it say under carrier (in the about section)
  • Just waiting for it to update completely on my Lumia 920 from EE whilst manually checking.
  • Still nothing on my sim free 820 in the UK
  • No me neither, exactly same device Sim Free in UK
  • Received in Bahrain on Nokia Lumia 920... 
  • HTC 8x unbranded got portico over a month ago. lol
  • Hi there, nothing on my Lumia 920 here in France.
    Any announcement on the estimated date of deployment?
  • UK O2 user here, manually checking shows my lumia 820 to have the update, downloading now
  • Got it too: Germany, Lumia 820, NOT BRANDED, carrier Congstar
  • US AT&T HTC 8X received update to OS version 8.0.10211.204 this morning. Did not auto install. Had to manually check for updates to pull it down.
  • Reporting no update for my unbranded 820 lumia in Slovakia (Telekom).
  • Unlocked 920 in Sweden, nothing.
  • Same story, no update presented to unlocked 920 on Telia network
  • Hepp. How nice of Portico to finally drop by. Patience is a virtue..
  • Nothing in Vietnam. So boring!!!
  • Is it just me that had my brightness set to HIGH after the update? That's a bit weird, always have it on low and after the update it was set to HIGH, weird
  • I just installed the update. Lumia 920 on Telenor in Norway.
  • updates are on for unlocked Lumia 920 in Dubai
  • Lumia 920 in Dubai..update downloaded but couldn't Open :-(
  • Nothing yet, still waiting in sweden...
  • Lumia 920, EE UK. Update last night. Phone turned itself off during the night and needed soft reset this morning. Network not available for the last 9hours, no emails, messages, tiles not updating. Battery dead in just 10 hours. Others i know who have not updated on the same network have not had problems. Resetting phone now........ AVOID THE UPDATE!!!!!!
  • Woohoooo! Finally portico update on my Lumia 920! Checked for it manually.
    - From Bahrain (US Store Configured) on unlocked lumia 920!
  • Nothing on my att Lumia 920
  • Got it. Installed it. Seems ok but phone locked up again tonight. Soft reset required and time reset to 1st sept again as before. This has been reported as a bug in numerous forums so a bit disappointed its not fixed. Camera seems better in daylight though. Lumia 920. EE. UK.
  • I'm just downloading the update on Telstra in Australia with my Lumia 920. It didn't tell me it was available ... I had to search for updates from settings.
  • Is this supposed to have been released in Canada? Phone says up to date but I was never prompted with a notification.
  • Rogers sent out the update the same day as att sent out the update, have had this on my 920 for awhile now.
  • Got my Lumia 920 updated yesterday on UK EE & immediately noticed a big improvement in the signal at home. Now seeing up to 3G+ where in the past I had been lucky to get H. At work though it's a very different kettle of fish. There the signal was always poor too, but whilst I have again seen a slight improvement I have found that the phone completely loses signal & doesn't get it back. This required a few restarts yesterday. Last night as I was leaving I noticed it was showing 'No Service' again. I drove the three miles home & this did not change at any point on the way. I had to restart the phone to get it working again. I had a look this morning & noticed that the phone was set to 4G for highest connection speed. I don't have a 4G sim so I've changed it to 3G. Can't see this making much difference, but you never know. If not I'll have to head back to the Orange shop.
  • Updated my 920 but the update does not fix the screen blackout bug while/after calling. I thought it would but maybe they excluded it from the Norwegian release or something.
  • I'd the latest firmware and update for Lumia 920. (Portico) but experience unusual battery drain. With full charge of 100% leaving the phone on desk, 1 hour down the load, left 86%! Only 3 email accounts set with sync every 30mins, during the period, no SMS, no call, nothing is on. Including WiFi is off too. Anyone experience it as well?
  • Rocking the Portico PR1.1 update on my Aus Telstra 920 :D
    Screen auto-brightness heaps more responsive now and that Telstra multi-sms/mms bug seems to be fixed now!
  • I totally didn't expect to get the updated pushed down to me today. I have an unbranded, unlocked 920 with a Telus SIM  that I popped in TODAY. It told me there was new updates and within 10 minutes, the package was downloaded, installed and my phone rebooted for action!
  • STILL no update? Unlocked Lumia 820 UK with Orange/EE Sim? :-/
  • STILL no update for me either  Unlocked Lumia 820 UK with Vodafone.
  • Yep still without update, whats happened to us? 
  • Still haven't received the update for my unlocked 920.
  • Hey, I have a branded Orange Lumia 920 from Poland, but I'm using it in Belgium (with a Proximus sim card). Can anyone tell me how that affects when I get the update? Will I get it when other Orange Lumias in Poland get it? (I'm checking for the update through WiFi anyway, so I can't see how my current carrier can affect that..)
    " I have checked into this for you the answer is that not all IMEI’s (handset serial numbers) are going to have the update available at the same time this is simply because everyone would try and update their handset at the same time causing the update to crash. I have it on good authority that the update should be available to you very soon however I cannot specify exactly what batch your handset will be in."
  • Denmark (unlocked) portico 920 just became available for me
  • what is new/changes on this update? Still waiting for FM Radio
  • Although I haven't received the Portico update here in Pakistan, but what I am gathering form Microsoft forums, is that Portico is laced with issues like phone freeze when locked, signal dropping to zero on standby and auto reboot on idle and during calls. If such issues are predominant in the update, I rather stay without it till a major WP8 update for 920 is made available.
  • I have a Nokia lumia 820 on orange or EE, i was wondering if anyone had an ideas when the update would be available
  • I go the update on my 822 on Verizon check your build number you may already have it and not relize it
  • If you got the update build number should be 8.0.10211.204
  • YEP, dowloaded it yesterday and got the pro - cam app and some other interesting apps.   Not a bad time! 
  • just checkin...and wow its rolling
    greeting holland on Hi and a lumia 1020
    mwah its gdr3 why do i get here ??
  • Not even recieved the GDR3 update yet and your talking about Portico, give me a break. 920 owner...