eBay's Windows Phone app is still working but that could change soon

It gives a lot of errors on pc..

PC app was garbage, but I use WP app daily without problems. It's fine if someone is just buying things.

I lost confidence with Microsoft as a consumer. 950xl ridden with bugs upon my purchase. Surface 3 showing yellow and burn screens after a few weeks of use and type cover not working, Band 2 HR monitor stopped working. I am so ready to leave this ecosystem. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android

You're just an exceptionally unlucky person.

I don't know that he is. I've had a disproportionate amount of trouble with MS hardware over the years. The warranty service is good, but I've had to use it on multiple Surface devices, Xbox hardware, and even my Band 2. The old Nokia Lumias were bulletproof, but MS needs to spend more time on QA. 

with what testers? Nadella ditched the dedicated ones and deciced to use insiders for free..

I am not. I share the same concerns and issues with people in forums, these are well known issues to those who have bought the devices actually. I am just so invested with this ecosystem it's frustrating how MS lets go of their fans and consumers. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android

Keep in mind people usually only say something in forums because there is an issue and they need/want to reach out. Not discounting your personal experiences with the products, but that what you see in forums isn't necessarily representative of how the product is as a whole. 

Every single Microsoft device I've ever purchased has been warranty replaced except my Xbox One. Surface 2, Surface Pro 2, Surface Pro 3, Lumia 950, Band 1 and Band 2. Their QA is absolute garbage

I lost confidence with Microsoft as a consumer. What a coincidence!  Because unless you're a cloud or Enterprise customer, Microsoft doesn't care about you anyway!

But like Amazon's original app, it worked for its most basic purpose. It didn't crash, it wasn't slow, it returned accurate information, who really needed the extra bells and whistles? So what if it hadn't been updated, it didn't need it to work. Like Amazon, eBay may have ulterior motives and the functionality that their apps afforded, went against the new direction they are heading.

But like Amazon's original app, it worked for its most basic purpose. It did, crash, it wasn't slow, it returned accurate information, who really needed the extra bells and whistles? So what if it hadn't been updated, it didn't need it to work. Like Amazon, eBay may have ulterior motives and the functionality that their apps afforded, went against the new direction they are heading.

I wrote to the support a lot of times for a bug of the app on pc and never got an answer It's really strange that ebay don't want a presence in the ms store
(amazon want even with a terrible app) Is ms as a company becoming irrilevant like ibm? About nadella Developers should use visual studio, xamarin or the bridges, what i feel is that developers (except for the gaming market) are mostly ignoring ms at all Hope not of course

I'ts obvious nobody really wants much to do with it....Android/IOS are the rulers.

Yeah. For buying product we need to open its site in browser! We can only search products using this app.

I use the Windows Mobile eBay app all the time and I actually think it's better and more user friendly than the Android version. It gets the job done. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android

Without eBay and Amazon is getting hard to use W10M. New Amazon app is a joke

The new Amazon app is a joke app

Like I said A joke app. Horrible

Microsoft is not focusing on Windows mobile these are the results !!

That are completely becoming irrilevant as a company since everyone has a smartphone, few ppl a pc nowadays...

Dona and her team are trying. Even if the CEO doesn't give them the support they need.

Go tweet it to Satya, Terry, Bill, and Joe. I expressed that exact sentiment. See @OMG55

They know and laugh about us. The only thing they care is sharehigh and bonus in the end of the year

Which is what they should be concerned about. Microsoft is a BUSINESS, not a charity to "fans".

And what a great way to run a business! lose all your customers! excellent!
​you're wrong anyway. Managements job is to maximze the profits of a company. That's it. What that looks like and what that means depends ​entirely on your interpretation​ of that requirement. Some argue for short term gains, but that's silly, and is damaging to the economy as a whole.  

A crazy business, loose users and become irrilevant like Rim

1 - Their customers are on Android and iOS. In case you haven't noticed. Sorry to break it to you but the niche of people still clinging to WP is irrelevant in the pool of Microsoft's customers.   2 - Explain how "share high" and "maximise profits" aren't the same thing? Perchance you realise that the higher share value is, the more dividends it pays to the shareholders? Because if profits rise, so does share value? You understand that? No? Also, cutting costs with failed businesses and focusing resources on the profitable ones is bad because?
What Nadella has been doing not only creates short term gains (it stops the money bleed that WP is) as well as long term gains (by putting Microsoft's services on the mobile platforms that aren't dead). So: cost cutting by getting rid of dead weight and focus on where the consumers actually are is a sound business and economical strategy. What isn't? Creating phones with a dead OS that no one wants and keep pouring money into lost causes. Well, then perhaps you should avoid saying someone's wrong when you don't know what you're talking about. Or maybe you're some economical genious who can make money by burning money...in which case, why haven't you the Noble Prize for saving the World's economy?

This is probably the third post I've read from you that made great sense. A lot of times you come across as kind of a hater. With that s out if the way, have an upvote for once. I agree with what you are saying but considering that Microsoft is actively working towards an OS that encompasses all forms, I feel that the app model is going to give way to a better web eventually. Yes it has its limitations, but with the advances that have been made and coding for touch first, somewhere down the road the smart play is to keep developing for mobile. I'm sure you weren't railing against that entirely. I mean, you're here after all. I guess what I was trying to say above is that Windows "mobile" isn't a dead OS. It may be in this smartphone app economy but it's still got value.

This is probably the third post I've read from you that made great sense. A lot of times you come across as kind of a hater. With that s out if the way, have an upvote for once. I agree with what you are saying but considering that Microsoft is actively working towards an OS that encompasses all forms, I feel that the app model is going to give way to a better web eventually. Yes it has its limitations, but with the advances that have been made and coding for touch first, somewhere down the road the smart play is to keep developing for mobile. I'm sure you weren't railing against that entirely. I mean, you're here after all. I guess what I was trying to say above is that Windows "mobile" isn't a dead OS. It may be in this smartphone app economy but it's still got value.

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Ok, now I get how double posts happen... And I take back what I said. You have made plenty of great posts, just lately I think the fact that you've soured on Microsoft has been coming through in your posts to other users.

Re: wpn00b,
Could you please share with the rest of us, how you think double posts occur? Why wouldn't you explain?

Agreed... I have seen it on a late edit on the WP8 app, but it was easy to see and delete.

Share prices and maximising profits are obviously not the same thing. I don't even know where to start with that one, but i'd suggest maybe a high school business class. There can​ be a correlation, but there is literally no causation, and that's entry level business stuff. You're welcome to look at the vast number of different markets, businesses, and share prices of each. You'll find i'm right, and you're not. You're response is flippant, over the top and then ​fundamentally incorrect. It's silly.
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​You're acting like underfunding windows phone is a new thing, or that the poor support is new under nadella. It isn't. Obviously if you don't support a product nobody will buy it. You're right there aren't many customers left on windows phone. But that's a result of poor management, not God.​
​As for share prices being all that matters, they could literally fire ​every single employee which would drastically improve the quarter profits likely cause a share spike and doom the company. ​The massive R&D cuts over the past few decades have increased profits short term, but drastically damaged the companies as well as the economy as a whole. You're welcome to look at Dell, Hp, Acer, Compaq, etc. Good management and short term share prices aren't the same thing, and again, your ​interpretation​ that they are is what causes much of the economic issues the world is facing currently. ​I don't have the Nobel prize (not Noble) for economics, but I originally did take business in post secondary, and am now finishing up an economics degree. I am also aware that there are other schools of economic outside of Chicago style economics, and I'd suggest you look up some alternatives. You're stuck in the 90's still.
     

Well stated! Too bad some CEOs (Well actually they do because their bonus and leaving is all they care about) don't understand this. This is exactly what is wrong with some corporations these days.

You know for once, I actually have to agree with your post DJCBS

They have plenty of good paying clients and did not lose then all. You or I just happen to not be one of those customers. Read their past earnings reports. Solid financial results. They know what they are doing, they are extremely client focused, but me and you are no longer the target market. Sad.

Well said. Good leadership gives assurance to shareholders, employees and customers alike that there will be something worth investing in down the road. All three are "investors" in a business, and all three matter. 

For how long has MS been making Windows Phones? Has the phone division returned a profit? I would consider 5 years to be 'short term', so from the short term into the medium term, the phone business has not been returning a profit. It makes sense, then, to rid the company of this mobile millstone. It is a shame, because those Lumia phones were fantastic, and the camera (software/hardware) were unrivalled.

It would depend. Since they're not shutting down the mobile division, and the one OS and UWP hinges on it, they're just chronically underfunding and under developing it. if they had​ shut it down it would make more sense.

According to Nadella, Ms is waiting for a drastic change in the consumer mobile market.  When such change happens they will jump in.  Which means they will restart their mobile again, leaving behind all W10m users in the dust.  There is no short term or long term reason for entering MS's mobile ecosystem.  BTW, besides Office, the usage of MS services on iOS and Android combined are probably only equal to their use on Windows Phone.  There's simply very little benefit using a third party service over a first party one within a mobile ecosystem.

Third party developers are just following the lead of Microsoft HealthVault.

I didn't know they're was a new Amazon app; last I knew, Amazon was removed, but I'm in agreement, guess I'll finally be getting an iPhone. After this, the surface phone isn't even appealing to me anymore. I never thought I'd say that but it's true. I better hear something good soon.

You are not missing much, its like a handicapped webpage with bad formatting.

It isn't even an app. it's an awful web wrapper which is actually unusable. Not in a hyperbole kind of way. it's literally unusable.

I don't know why an imaginary phone would be appealing in the first place.    I would rather actually have a phone that I can use instead of a figment of one's imagination.  Surface phone.   Pipe dream 

Since the word is out now that MS is waiting for a change in the mobile world to re-enter...there won't be a surface phone this year or the next. There's no point for them to make a phone like the HP elite x3, because making such phones for the enterprise is the only thing that might attract OEMs. MS doesn't want to make hardware.

I'm with you here. No October announcements and I jump to iPhone.

Why you guys need an app for basic stuff that works in web browser?

Yeah, the Amazon mobile site is just as good or better than the app was. I hope this is also the case for eBay.

eBay app was terrible and severely outdated. I always used the mobile website. Same can be said about the Amazon app. If a company has a great mobile version of their website, then I'm all for using it. However, if said company such as eBay and Amazon utilizes push notifications then it changes. Using a mobile website is great until you count that fact. For instance, Mint.com doesn't have mobile friendly website so an app is pretty much needed in order to use it on phones. So while it is yet another app that is gone, eBay should have at least did what Microsoft did with the YouTube app back in Windows Phone 8 and make it launch the mobile website in Edge. One would be surprised to know that even if the app pointed to the mobile version of a website, the average end-user would be happy because they most likely didn't know eBay's website was mobile friendly. The only thing they would be missing out would be the push notifications or in Amazon's case, the scanning feature. That would be better then removing their presence completely. After all, even if a lot of the apps in the store pointed towards the mobile website, the average person has this idea that in order to access a service, it must be in the form of an app. Of course apps are great because they can take advantage of the devices hardware but again, it would keep more end-users on the platform. But at the end of the day, I choose to use my 950. People are interested in it all the time but get turned off due to the lack of apps and many apps do not have mobile website versions. I tell them if they cannot live without check scanning due to lack of an banking app, Pokémon Go, Snapchat, Clash of Clans, etc. then don't bother as they will feel left out. I honestly tell those people to get an iPhone sadly because those users get to enjoy just about everything.

Because eBay used to send push notifications to you when you were outbid on items it was extremly usefull.   We never had the proper Amazon app, but the other OS's apps get lighting deal alart push notifications (extremely useful for Black Friday) and access to Amazon music.   I would normally agree with you, but sometimes apps are better than web pages. =P

Notifications about bids, shipping, etc..

All the fanboys say this when it comes to the mobile OS then how much more relevant is that statement on a desktop with several full blown browsers to choose from? so basically there is no future for UWP, right?

But what about notifications on my Xbox, or other devices?

Because it's not about website being better. It's about us not having an actual app. Nobody is using browsers when you have an app. And Edge is horrible, at least in its current form.

Ebay app is good for notifies and much good for reasearchs than the web page

I am a fan boy, but this is getting old. I really depend on the notifications from this app. Is it all over for the OS?

Holy crap, you were still getting notifications!?! Mine stopped working about halfway through this year.

It seemed that it would work when I was selling something, and not buying. Pretty sure. Oh well, it all notifies via email anyway. Who even needs apps??? :(

Actually, now that you say that, I think you are right. I do remember getting item paid notifications or best offers I couldn't accept through the app.   I guess I was thinking about buying notifications.

I think its time to call it quit. RIP Windows Mobile.

The apps are slowly drying up. When the companies that depend heavily on mobile apps for success aren't invested, then there isn't much hope left, I'm afraid. BOA came back with a good app, but they are the outlier. Amazon came back with junk and many others just haven't come back at all, leaving only ambiguous hope of a UWP app possibly arriving someday. Of course, one major problem is the complete lack of choice for W10M devices, and the many WP8 devices left unupgraded only alienated the existing fan base. Lumia is being retired, leaving it to "corporate" devices to take the charge. Even the biggest media supporters of the platform--Thurrott and MJF--have walked away. Heck, Paul pans the platform on the regular, and he was the reason I got a WP in the first place back in the day. I don't know what MS hopes to do with the platform, but it doesn't offer much for the modern smartphone consumer. Sad, but it is death by a thousand cuts. MS will tell us they are committed, all while things get worse. They will get to walk away once market share reaches essentially zero. 

its been all over for the OS for months.  Just the fanboys don't want to hear the truth.   

Fearlord you have it wrong.    Windows 10 and 10m is the joke. 

Win10 It's certainly no joke. It's one of the best desktop and Mobile OSes around. What is a joke is the lack of apps available for it.

Beg to differ,  w10 is no where near what 7 or 8 was.  w10 is just a data miner.  Why would they give it away for free?  MS has NEVER done that.  I always had to pay for their new OS...and was glad to do so,  but when they gave away the OS for free, I knew something was up.  NOW WE KNOW!  Give the data gatherer away for free,  and we will sell said data collected for our profits.  We can fire all our dvelopers, testers and team, and get the silly "insider fanboys" to do our testing for us.  Hence the steaming Pile of crap we have now called w10.

Can you elaborate on a single case of MSFT selling our data? Their privacy agreement started that they will not provide data to a third party with the intent to profit. That would expose them contractually. Have you read the agreement or are you just throwing around accusations to let out your frustration? If the latter, I won't judge, I promise.

Please provide example where google does the same?   since all the fanboys here scream about it with google.  MS is doing it just ten times worse...

Microsoft: https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/ Google: https://privacy.google.com/how-ads-work.html I've read them both, and thoroughly. Same as Apple, Microsoft tends to collect your data to sell you primarily their own products. With Google, you are the product. I hope you see the difference.

of course they use insiders. why pay testers whe guinea pigs are free? Nadella knows nothing about quality, all MS delivers on windows 10 is crap. worst OS ever.

It does have Amazon? It maybe not as good, but it works. I have come to terms with what WM is and isn't. If you can't accept it, time to leave.

Getting there. If I could return the investment that I had in 2 950.

You will never be able to return an investment on something you buy and use. If you want to leave, you would have to cut your losses and go.

Can you even call ir an app, It's more like a wrapper.

Agreed! EBay and amazon are the only apps I use regularly. The Amazon "mobile" html 5 app is so bad its unusable and EBay app has become next to useless since they broke push notifications. FKUC Microsoft. They are a lost cause. The only OS that matters is the one in your pocket. Nutella is too stupid to figure that out. That pocket OS will soon beam or cast to dumb slave screens everywhere. Your car, your desk, your TV. The desktop OS will become extinct. Now Windows mobile top apps will be siht like flashlight and lameweather app of the week. What a stupid fcking waste. I was a msft employee for 5 years. They probably have one feature team of 10 developers on Windows phone. What happened to mobile first, cloud first? And even basic functions my my 950xl have been buggy as hell lately. Pinching to zoom on the photo viewer causes it to crash. Wtf? So done with these losers.... I've been a staunch supporter of MSFT products, but at this point, there's no excuse. We are fools to believe they care anything about mobile. Only question for me now is IOS or Android...

The description and image sample in the store also updated with discontinuation news

yep that's what we posted..but again, we downloaded the app and at the moment its still available and still working

Lets Hope for a windows 10 app *_*

It is not working for me shows no feed items, no daily deals :/

Was a crap app, never used it. The website is better anyway.

I disagree. Even for a limited feature app, it was one of the better WP 1st party apps.

That might be true, but this is hardly sustainable. While websites can do in many cases, sometimes a proper app is needed for notifications and the like. eBay is very dependent on notifications for the full experience. 

The original WP7 app was a perfect example of why Metro was such a brilliant design language. It's a crying shame that MS diluted it with hamburgers and the like.

Guess they got my message.

Never used it, is a US thing i guess. Same for Amazon.

not just US. Ebay and amazon both are in many regions

Mostly US app. In Europe we have equally as good or better auction services.

What are you talking about?! eBay and Amazon are the market leaders across Europe!

For instance there's Allegro in Central Europe. Ebay tried to enter the market years ago but failed miserably. Their service is just interior to that of Allegro in so many ways and no one was interested. And Allegro has an excellent Windows Mobile app.

First time I hear about Allegro. Checked their site, looks ok.
Did not find find a W10(M) app. Maybe Allegro is a big hit in Poland, I do not know. .

Allegro owns the whole market with eBay trailing far behind with negligible market share. You can call that a hit. Actually eBay is now in line to buy Allegro as this is the only way to get a bite of the pie.

Not a good time to jump ship to Windows I presume, I've been a long time Windows user now myself but I think there is not much left for consumers here. And it was a crap app, I never used it, never heard of it, those are some terrible excuses.

Even enterprise mobile users expect third party apps. It's easier to go with BYOD managed devices and apps. There is no measurable enterprise only market.

Enterprises will soon be like hey we asked you to bring your own device, but bringing a windows phone, you are pushing it too far buddy.

Many companies are already there, and the remaining holdouts for Windows are leaving now. Enterprises will only support iPhone or Android. Nadella has really shot the Microsoft Windows franchise in the foot.

My work uses Office 365 and inTune for BYOD, and even they don't support W10M. How sad is that?

Ask your Intune team. They can push apps down to iOS or android, but Intune didn't work as will with Windows 10 Mobile. So much for the "enterprise" mobile strategy. Outside of a new mansion and writing a book about how great he is, I don't believe Nadella has a strategy. Before people mention the stock price, (a) the entire market It's breaking records, (b) the price today has nothing to do with the future.

Exactly, nadella has not a future strategy he only fixed some problems at the moment..

Yeah, I tried to set it up on a 950XL, but it didn't work. Fortunately, I was still able to return the phone. 

Same here.

It is not sad,  it's reality.  Windows mobile brings absolutely nothing to the table.  Nada.  Why would they support something that is so far behind in everyway,  that its users would always be complaining to the tech department.   Better just to not support it and say get either an iphone or android phone...you know...real phones.

That was Ballmer and his denial of Mobile apps from the get go. Nadella was just left behind to face the music. Ballmer is where this app train wreck started 5 years ago.

Ballmer made mistakes, but WP was gaining market share up until Nadella took over. Ballmer had fight in him, commitment, dedication, Nadella pee's himself and runs from a fight. Ballmer kept grinding when everyone was saying Bing would never be profitable. Nadella ran away screaming from mobile, and will run away from Band, etc. You can't trust Microsoft or their products with Nadella in charge because he'll leave his customers behind in a heartbeat.

@infosage and don't forget Ballmer agreed and was prepared to put money into xbox during the rrod saga which was alot. Ballmer saw the long view, I admit he did make mistakes. Never the less people forget when the iphone hit Microsoft had windows mobile phones and pdas being sold by oems.

Yeah my company issues iPhone for work because they just work. We can request for an Android phone instead though. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android

iammakii,  Your company is very very smart.

My work uses iphones (mainly), android and I'm the only one using Win10 Mobile They use mobileiron for their enterprise requirements. Not sure how Nadella's Enterprise strategy is going to work there.

Ya nothing left ms doesn't want to release their apps..they doesn't want to update their existing apps on par with ios and android...many companies are killing their long lasting apps(ya ya there was no updates still they are present)...hope Nokia made android phones so they would be alive windows phone dead...hope steve Ballmer re-signed before Nokia deal...where is my time machine?

And here goes the dillema again - jump or not? This ship is really getting close to water for me. I really hate that Windows is experiencing this ****. I hope its because they are going to make a new app.

The ship has sunk, mate. At this point, all that's left is people swimmimg around in the ocean, hoping another ship will rescue them before they freeze to death.

Oh there are other ships, it's just that the other ships are really mean and asking for money to save their lives, but you see they spent so much on their previous ship they have no choice but to die.

I love Windows 10 Mobile and my 950. Yet, I jumped when stories surfaced MS was pulling phones from its stores.I get that the company exists to generate profit, but there is something to be said for loss leaders and perserverance. MS ran and hid in a corner when the going got tough, rather than dig in and fight back. I never expected the company to go from 3% market share to 10% overnight. Slow and steady based on a manageable investment, modest hardware sales, and investment in building apps. If it lost a bit of money, at least it would protect the rest of Windows. Instead, even loyal customers are exposed to other alternatives and might just decide to abandon Windows altogether in order to be in one ecosystem. When I see stories like this, when I read the bleaker news that MS is committed to current enterprise customers in mobile but not new ones, I know what MS will offer me was insufficient. They don't see opportunity, and so it was time for me to see opportunity elsewhere. Hello iPhone 7+. MS, I just bought a new PC this year... but in three, when that decision rolls around again, I may look at Apple, something unthinkable as recently as six months ago. I still have my 950. It's a wonderful device and it doesn't deserve to play second fiddle, but second fiddle it now is.

They made the right decision to exit. They did the math and realized that the money it would take to build up would not pay of by the time the app model was dead 2-3 years from now.
It pisses me off same as you because I can't get work email, my bank or train pass app on my Lumia, but I can't blame current managers for it. They are focusing on building mobile foundation for post-app era. Isn't it weird that although they pulled out of Mobile market their W10M builds are arriving at a feverish pace?

That makes sense, and I'd agree their plan is to build for three years out for whatever they see as their market. Three years out built on speculative anticipation might give them hope, but it does little for us in real time. Meanwhile, their competitors build on their experience and their own market research. MS is headed toward a future where it will still face fierce competition. I've seen too many companies try for quick scores and cut and run from market niches when the scores don't pan out, or that repeatedly enter and exit markets (not talking tech markets, but business in general.) They do enough to draw people in and then disappear from that market, leaving people to scramble for alternatives. I admire how Apple doesn't seem to sweat market share. They built an empire on 15% of the market. There's a lesson there... money can be made with fractions of marketplaces if a company gears itself to service that fraction by offering it quality, consistency, and stability. I spent $900 on an iPhone despite never having used one before precisely for that reason... the best quality experience I could get with a smartphone. If I was going to do this, it may as well have been for the best. I felt damn guilty even doing so because of my commitment to Windows 10 Mobile. Still do.

You are one step ahead of me with your switch. My entire household reeks of Apple devices, yet you won't find a single iPhone in it. I just cannot stomach paying $1500 every other year for my wife and I to have an iPhone for both of us. What our Lumias cannot provide in the app segment, our iPads make up for, but those are not truly "mobile" as a phone is.
I too would feel guilty to let go of my 640XL with 2-day battery life, huge display, excellent camera and sub-200 price tag unlocked.
 

I get that. Buying for more than one ratchets up the cost, where I'm divorced and my kids are adults. There are things I wish this iPhone had that W10M (and my 950) has. and perhaps something simple iPhone has that W10M does not. I wonder what Apple would do if it suddenly owned W10M. What would we see?
 

I will pay whatever the price for the iphone.....it works.   Just as I would pay any price for the 1020 i had (before windows 10),  because it worked.  There were new apps coming in,  excitement in the community, a general push foward.   Windows 10 hit and it all went to crap.  just like hitting an iceberg!   I am on all apple now,  and its so refreshing to have everything work as it is supposed to,  no bugs,  no lag,  no constant nagging from the OS,  No constant freezeups, or lock ups.   etc.  something that is prevelant in windows 10 on both desktop, tablet and mobile devices.   Shame on MS for letting this total yahoo destroy everything that was built.

Sell your old devices on eBay to get some money back, as iPhones hold value better than most devices. Even then, you may not actually need to upgrade every two years. iPhones get better long-term support and don't get that sluggish with age, and the battery can be user-replaced. My wife is still happy with her 5C that she uses heavily everyday, and I've replaced the battery on it three times now. Amazingly durable device. 

All my windows devices are gone!  sold for pittance of what I paid because they are not apple or android devices.

My 950 is more valuable to me than to anyone else. I'm not selling it. So now I use two phones, and I'm hardly someone that gabboons on my personal phone all day.

Exactly!

The ship broke in half about 6 months ago,  and it's under now!  all thats left is a few fanboys clinging to the debris in the ice cold water.  While Nadella is back in his office counting his money.  He cares nothing about windows or its users.....just his bank account....

How about the newly released Kodi app (W10).
It's awesome. I never cared about the ebay app, I uninstalled it because it was more of a placeholder than anything else.    

Actually the famous Steve Jobs quote from All Things D conference about Apple when he was reinstated as a CEO is fitting for Windows 10: ...."Apple is a sinking ship and my job is to steer it in the right direction..."

funny,  Jobs righted the ship....unlike this incompetent.   He has put windows in a tail spin.  windows 10 < Windows ME!

This is ridiculous. I dont care what they say, if UWP are as easy as they claim, there is
more than enough users in the whole ecosystem to warrant apps. And I dont want to hear the crap webpage stuff...almost everyone I know prefers a well working app over a web page....and yes on Windows 10 desktop also. Ridiculous.

I think this whole UWP thing was started by Ballmer and for which he bought Nokia to make it succeed. And it would have really worked had they continued their focus on Windows mobile, but, alas, it looks like Nadella had already made up his mind to get out of the mobile market even before he became CEO.

I think developers just prefer having 2 OS's to develop for. iOS and Android is all they want/need - so the faster they hasten W10M's demise, the better in their eyes. Annoying because I just invested in a 950XL and a Continuum dock for my sight impaired mother. She only uses WhatsApp, Skype, email, text, navigation and the browser....so she should be able to get by regardless of how bad things get. BUT, it's a crying shame...because the 950XL is a fabulous phone. Fortunately, it only cost me £165 for a pristine/boxed 950XL and brand new Continuum dock. So if this is our families last hurrah in Windows Mobile, then it's not a v.costly one. What on earth were MS thinking with the whole retrenchment thing though?! And WHY did Windows Central get behind the concept. They should have kept pumping out 950's/XL's at $250 price point and just flood the market. Microsoft are a crazy company.

I like that you brought up the opinion that it seems developers are actively trying to force Windows out of the mobile market. Some after more obvious than others but they almost seem invested in it and what you said makes sense. It forces users to where they already are doing work. I don't want to be a part of that so I'll use mobile websites or another service if they don't super Windows, but it makes a lot of sense. Edit: And yes, they definitely should have just flooded the market. Numbers are the issue, put out enough product to force developers hand, and provide them with tools that make it easy to include W10m in the app narrative.

That would be a great plan, if these companies or developers cared that we don't use their apps. I do think it is a good point about why it seems we are being 'shunned'.

Ok my laptop I don't want yet another app if have to find, install, manage and take care of, including storage. Web is fine on desktop

You're one of the few that think that. Kudos

I'm another. I like apps in my start menu, but honestly a pinned website works nearly as well. Funny thing is, as long as it isn't Microsoft doing this, people will eat up the concept of apps on a desktop. Head over to androidcentral and see what they say about "Andromeda" or whatever. I don't believe that a mobile OS like android can ever become a desktop class OS in regards to several things like versatility, connectivity and robustness but it seems that the cried over there logged the idea. I personally think MS is doing it correctly, but we shall see.

I do agree, but some times apps are better when they let you do things a browser and website can't do. Like push notifications about missed bids, or they let you deposit a check.

EBay already emails me about bids and ending items, but I agree with you on the check deposit feature

I can't see Windows losing the desktop/laptop/tablet market anytime soon. Apple are Google have no real alternative in it. What those 2 do own is the Mobile market between them. I currently have a 950XL. Unfortunately it looks like I'm going back to Android for Mobile. It's a shame as the 950XL is an awesome phone in itself. Apple's iPhone isn't even a consideration for me.

I don't know why the iphone is not a consideration.  Its the fastest phone, the hardware is top notch and has everythigng available for it.  Android is great too,  but just the stability, long term updating, and overall smoothness of the apple ecosystem are no brainers.  

I am considering iPhone, SE. I wouldn't go higher than that, especially with 2 Macs, 3 iPads, 3 Apple TVs already in the house, I gave Apple my share of cash.

whoa :)) and I thought I was crazy having 3 ipads, a mac, apple tv4, apple tv3 and two iphones :)) I currently have the SE 64gb. If you like the smaller screen, it's all good. Fast, stable OS!, great apps and support

But if it gives you the best phone,  why not!  I have the 6s and its the BEST phone I have ever owned.  The camera is not AS good as my 1020,  but you know what,  its 10000 times faster,  has more features,  and its much easier to use!   So,  The overall user experience with the iphone is miles and miles ahead of the windows phones.   Dumbed down OS or not...who cares....you use a phone to be productive and do things,  iphone gives you that.  I dont want to be constantly fiddling with this or that...i just want the stuff to work.  again,  APPLE gives you that!

Because the OS flat out sucks. It has been dumbed down for monkeys.

Yep.  monkeys that want fast, easy reliable os's....not ******,  slow, laggy Os that the lemmings want here!

uOS is not faster than W10. Have both in my house. The two with iOS readily admit the OS is awful compared to W10 but are with iOS because they want games. Keep your head in the sand.

Fanboy dillusion again!  IOS is most certianly faster than windows 10.  by a good margin as well....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtBHW5Nn2zI  

This is one app that will make me jump. Glad I didn't buy the 950 last week or so when it got a price drop.

Yea, I agree, I use the ebay app a fair bit, if it goes, this is a a rather big loss, a bit too big continue with the platform.

Now I cant sell L950xl....just skidding I'm stuck with it till next yr..gonna watch S8,S8 note(unexplode),I8...going to buy 1 from those 3(which is best)..never going to buy another windows mobile that said I still support platform I'm not going to sell L950xl...

I think I'll give the new LG V20 a go. Looks interesting.

At one point when I was on WP8.1 my 620 had 2 different official ebay apps installed, one of them was regional to the UK the other was regionless it may well be that they have several apps and are phasing them out one by one??

Great...so my options are a mickey mouse OS and its crap camera with an iPhone, or use a garbled mess of an OS while dying in a house fire with Samsung. Wonderful choices.

We are only talking about EBay here! Its your decision to leave but the more that go the worst it will be for the rest of us. I just enjoy the phone. I don't care about apps myself

Thanks for telling me what "we" are only talking about, but unfortunately for you that's not up to you. Secondly, what I mentioned is all part of the ebay app going down with the rest of the apps doing similar.

No problem, glad I could help :)

There are Androids beyond Samsung. Even if the S7 is currently the best all around Android phone you can get, there are a sh*t ton of VERY good devices from TONS of manufacturers to choose from with a wide array of prices. From Sony to LG to HTC to Honor. What you don't lack is options.

Everyone I know with a non-Samsung android phone, doesn't say much positive things about them. On the flip side, thinking about having to use iTunes is already making me sick to my stomach.

Check out the Sony XZ. It even looks more like a Lumia than current Lumias. I preordered one a while back.

The hardware might be nice, but the Android OS is a garbled mess.

No? Well, then I'll do it: S7 - The best all around phone. Samsung's version of Android isn't the most stable of all and occasionaly likes to freeze and reboot your phone out of nowhere. But that's the price you get for the tons of functionality they add on top of Android.   LG G4 - A very good phablet with an extraordinary camera and a removable battery. The LG G5 is also a nice device although the "modularity" thing leaves a bit to be desired. And since with LG you only get phablets, you also have the V20 which is a much better version of the G5 but with an even larger screen.   Sony - Sony's cameras aren't great, unbelievable as that may sound. Sony fell asleep in 2014 and hasn't woken yet. The cameras are capable and on a day to day use it's enough. However, if you're into photography or accustomed to Nokia's supperb cameras, you'll meet nothing but frustration. That said, the rest of the devices are very very good. All their flagships are waterproof, come with a sleek design and run the most stable version of Android available, being now closer to stock than ever (I personally hate stock Android but many people love it).   Honor - The Honor 8 gives you a dual-camera set up (without OIS though), in a beautiful glass design (specially if you go for the blue one) that takes really great pictures...and it costs 399€. You'll have to put up with Huawei's UI which is an iPhone clone, but being an Android device, you can simply replace it with another launcher (including for example "SquareHome" which emulates the WP UI and expands it).   OnePlus - Everyone I know who has tried a OnePlus device is pretty satisfied with it. The phone is smooth and has some extra customization available. Cameras aren't amazing though. They're serviceable.   HTC - HTC is in a bit of a conundrum. Their HTC 10 is an all around very good device but the price they ask for it is still too high. The camera isn't amazing but it's the best HTC has put on a phone and it's quite acceptable for the average user.   These are just the ones out of the top of my mind. And then you have Nokia. But since the Nokia phones haven't been released yet, it's hard to pass an unbiassed judgment on them right now. But I think you can expect the quality of hardware and technology that existed on Lumias. Which means, great cameras and great build quality.

Man you can type, Android phones are really good for like a few months then they start showing their true color, the hardware is always good and ages well, but the software never ages well on an Android phone

I just typed almost exactly what you said below. Everyone I know with Android devices, all have to take their phones back every month when they either bog down to being unusable or the hardware just fails. Sounds like a ball of fun.

The G4 does not have an incredible camera.

What? The OnePlus 3, and Honor 8 are both great. The Honor 8 is amazing. I'm slow, I guess. But what Djcbs said.
Posted via the Windows Central App for Android

Even if you find good hardware, the OS is a mess. Awful to use.

Describe with precision why you say "the OS is a mess. Awful to use." Because no one I know thinks that. And if you're talking about stability and things not working...well...you might want to reconsider your statement given the pile of dog sh*t that W10M is (specially compared with WP7 and WP8).

First, it is ugly as all hell to look at. And as far as its stability, as bad as you may say W10 is, everyone I know with Android does nothing but complain about reboots and having to return their phone every month. Begging for updates is also always fun. So on so on.

Again, this is OEM dependent. Not all have the same experience. For some phones yes, but I have had no issues. I haven't had to hard reset for any reason. By the way, I have an Honor 8. Honor has promised updates for at least 24 months. I have already gotten a update, and the phone just came out a month ago. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android

First, it is ugly as all hell to look at.   You have no idea what a launcher is, do you? No, you clearly don't. I'll explain it to you very simply: a launcher is what you look at on the screen. You can literally reproduce the ugly look of Windows Phone on Android with a launcher. You download a launcher like the one I mentioned from the store, install it and done. You have your screen cluttered with tiles back. Good luck doing that on WP or iOS.   everyone I know with Android does nothing but complain about reboots and having to return their phone every month.   I highly doubt that. The majority of the people I know use Android and not once have they had those problems EXCEPT on Samsung phones. And that's why I gave you a list of OTHER phones that are much less likely to do that. W10M is great isn't it? That's why you can't open the Elite X3 selfie camera without crashing the OS right? Oh, wait... ;)   Begging for updates is also always fun.   You mean like the W10M update that Microsoft promised would be released for ALL WP8 devices and then only released it on those released by Microsoft Mobile (and the Nokia 1520 because they couldn't find an excuse)? Android updates depend on the hardware you buy and the OEM you buy it from. I'm using an S7 and I've had Samsung releasing Google's security updates monthly since March. And all my other previous Android devices received updates. The only thing that changes is how much you wait. But guess what? Don't want any of that possible OEM delay? BUY A NEXUS. Nexus devices get their updates directly from Google without OEM intervention. See, even THAT you can choose on Android. Well and let's not mention that Android updates are far less critical to the OS competitiveness and stability than WP updates.   Admit it, you're just an enraged fanboy who just refuses to admit there are merits on Android (and iOS). Well, I have bad news for you...you'll sooner have to make your choice between them. Or return to dumbphones of course.

Windows 10 Mobile as an OS is not that bad, it's beautiful to look at, offers more security and privacy, clean, simple, the thing is that if you buy a Windows phone and it takes you 2 seconds to open the dialer, it will always take almost the same amount of time to open it, with android it takes 2 second with one app installed, 5 seconds with 10 apps installed and so on.

Again..until everyone goes nuts and demands the idiot at the helm be removed, then you are going to get nothing more than a great OS with no backing because the CEO knows nothing but cloud, cloud, cloud.

This. I might not agree with the term you used but the OS is just fine. I hate to say it but it really depends on what phone you use. I have tried a lot of phones this year and the Honor is the best out of all of them. The OS has felt different with each phone I have tried. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android

I reckon W10M works just fine. Every platform has their OS problems bar none.

W10M honestly is the best OS for user experience if you remove the app situation. Its just the app situation that just won't get any better, because of once again, one giant **** that won't get behind his own product. It doesn't look like he will do the right thing and resign, so our best hope at this point is his plane going down over the Pacific.

OnePlus, Mi, Honor are releasing better phones than MS and they have their own custome UI's.... OnePlus 3 is killer flagship....

I've had Samsung, Motorola, LG, & HTC. They all had their pluses and minuses so I don't really know where this pro samsung call comes from.

It is just blind people that don't want to admit short comings and back a product no matter what. We are hear telling the problem. Its idiot CEO and lame duck board members. You talk to Android and iPhone people, they have just as many problems nd often more but refuse to admit it. Their biggest advantage is they were just the first one to the dance....poor excuses for OS's, but first one none the less.

You are taking things too seriously, seriously. .  

The same could be said about you. Refusing to admit android is majorly flawed

I will use whatever I consider is best for me
at a given time. Could be W10, W10M, could be Android, could be Ubuntu. As is happens to be, I use all of the above plus an iPad (an older one) to various degrees. Maybe you should not fret too much, not good for you.
Carry on. No system nor any company ever
will have a perfect piece of hardware or a
fully rounded, smooth piece of software
that will comfort and pacify you. Too much too expect from a life on this planet. 
Could be much worse however :-) .  

Samsung is the worst android phone you can get. There are many other good android phones.

That's like naming the best Fiat's.

asus zenfones are awesome mid prices phones too.

Why what's wrong with iOS? I think among the three mobile OSes, iOS is the best overall. Unlike Android, it is smooth and have better RAM management, and unlike Windows 10 Mobile it is a healthy app ecosystem, bug free and stable. I have iPhone SE and it is a great phone for the price.

You may pay more for iPhones, but they retain value like nothing else, which helps quite a bit when upgrading. 

How it's the battery on the SE?

???

For battery life compared with other models, see this: http://static.diffen.com/uploadz/thumb/1/1f/iPhones-battery-life-compare...

It's great! You have to really try to run it down to finish the battery in less than a day. Once upon a time, my 640 was the same way. :/

IPhone camera is actually very decent, but good analogy with the Samsung! LOL

Unfortunately, I've had some of the best cameras with Windows phone, so decent is going backwards.

I agree, my 6s is worse than my 950, but the thing is, at the 6s/7 level, its "good enough". Most places you upload pics to anyways compresses them and make em look crappy anyways. For legit photography, get a mirrorless or DSLR, its just so much more fun (and better).

No, you have the option of a solid fast os that has everything you want or need,. A fast stable customizable os that has everything you want or need.   Or a third choice of w10 that is a total mess, slow laggy, garbled mess that still does not even run correctly after a full year of release and has no apps or accessories, wearable tech etc.   I would pick either of the first two in a heartbeat over this **** that ms has released  

Get out. Even most Android people that are honest will tell you the OS is a hodge podge with no rhyme or reason. As well as the most honest iPhone fans will tell you that it is just bare bones. People like you are the problem. For some reason you have your head so far up Android or Apple's ass that you you just deny all the issues. Take a hike, clown. W10 biggest problem is the idiot CEO.

ha ha ha ha.  You are too funny missionsparta.  No,  people who are honest will give the FACTS.....like i am.  People like you are not into facts.   I agree with you on one side,  the biggest issue with windows 10 is the CEO.......But the design mentality of the developers,  where one OS to rule them all....its flawed from the get go.  Actually,  if they pushed on with windows 8.......oh......excuse me......8.1,  They were MUCH closer to that realization than they are with the steaming pile that is windows 10.  I have android devices......STABLE, FAST and NO restarts.    I have apple devices......STABLE FAST and no restarts.   The argument over barebones,  or hodge podge is rediculous.  Both OS's are stable,  can be used to actualy do things,  unlike windows 10...

stable, fast, no restarts ... and oudated hardware

what has outdated hardware?  Apple?  I don't see how,  its the fastest phone and OS...specs are for fanboys trying to see who has the bigger....you know what!

Apple has always 'seemed' like they were using outdated hardware (especially in early PC days) because their clock speeds weren't as fast. It was just due to the fact that they were able to do more with less. I would imagine it is sill the same way in the phone arena.

Id love to see Android apps run on windows hardware it will save them.......

Lmao. Its hysterical that you act like such a slave to a product that you just deny everything. Keep your repeating your opinion as fact. It appears u have the two mixed up.
If Android is so stable, how come the majority of people with them have to return them monthly? Sounds like a great system. I get to use my phone for four weeks, then a loaner for a week, then a refurbished model for four weeks, then start back over with the loaner.

Again,  you must be thinking from like froyo or something.  since ICS,  it has been great.....A hell of alot better this windows **** I have used in the past...and I am no slave to any product...unlike yourself.  You are blind by the windows.  serious...jump through the window.  I did,  and its MUCH MUCH BETTER outside instead of stuck looking through windows.

I've messed around with some of the newest phones. ThebOS just was meh and was sluggish at times.

Well, then you aren't honest, because everything you stated is OPINION, little boy.

ha ha ha!  too funnyl.....little boy....you are the one who is dishonest.    I was using windows 10,  and then jumped ship....unlike yourself who refuses to do so becuase of some inner pride that would be stripped from you because you cannot admit that something is better.

I've messed with android. Same boat, little boy

Apple and Android do "things."  By "things" do you mean games, snapchat, horoscope, and efficient malware vectoring?  Just wondering

I currently use a SGS6 with Android 6.01 as my daily driver, and I have no problems WHATSOEVER. Sure, the icons in Android are a mess, no visual style and so on (sorry, don't have enough time to play around with launchers). But the system itself is good, stable (no apps crashing, no random reboots, no freezing) and fast (no stuttering, no lagging), at least on the HW that I'm using, and even with the Touchwiz thing on top of it. The camera makes decent images and videos. Android used to be laggy and buggy, but now it is a decent mobile OS. That is my experience. I'd love to get back to Windows, but it's simply not possible in the current situation in the Store.

There are good points pro and contra every thing or topic. Guess, the above discussion is getting out of hand. .

Agreed... Everyone has valid points here. I am sure everyone can agree that EVERY OS has their pluses and minuses. Just like every device, and every manufacturer. There is no point to defend anything to the point of basically name calling because of it. Especially when that makes you seem like the 'fanboy' that you are trying to call out.

I'm having the same dilema. I was watching videos of Ubuntu on YouTube. It is not the best (in fact is HORRIBLE) but is better that iOS and Android.

Ubuntu is great ... but for different reasons. Check out elementaryOS. Quite nice if you like the style.  

Apple and Samsung are making fine phones. Things happen, and they always will. iOS and Android are good operating systems. Make your choice and go with it.
No need to be unhappy because of a dynamic smartphone market.
"Get a life!" as a famous actor once said.   

New MS CEO    Coming SOON™

Nope....Customisable?? What about it is customisable? Lmao

bad news the app was rubbish but I love windows phone !

This is all falling on the idiot calling him self a CEO. They either announce they are totally out or they fire this idiot. I'm tired of the secret one foot in one, foot out, guess what we are doing garbage.

Oh no, he is not failing as a CEO, he is doing good, Windows Mobile is not Microsoft. This app gap however is really annoying I must admit.

He is failing the consumer market. If they want out, just say it and be done. He knows many if us have invested into this system quite heavily and just keep hanging on because of the cash and time we have in it. If you're killing it, just announce it so we can cut the loses we spent on this crap and move on. This is a dick head move by him not saying anything either way, but speaking in code so no one really knows what the deal is. He is treating his loyal consumers like a dirt bag.

Yeah that's true mate. Although they have made it clear that will be focusing on enterprise only, I myself am regretting my new Lumia

They didnt fully say that was all they were dealing with. Again this goes back to the clown running the ship speaking in code. If he is out, say it is over and stop trying to sucker people into buying the remainder of the stock. If they plan on pushing forward with something new, say that then. This hush hush crap is disrespectful to those of us invested and even worse to those unknowing buying one of these devices.

I totally get what you are saying, you seem quite frustrated, I think most of us are now.

I'm tired of having to remove stuff from my home screen. When I have to replace half my home screen with weblinks to crappy running websites, and all I'm getting from this token CEO moron is "blah, blah, blah"...yeah I'm pissed. When you buy all this stuff from them, it is under the faith they are going to back it to the fullest. Do I feel they have? Hell no. I also think the people that are actually working hard on trying to get this system to fly is being handed the shaft by the highest up at Microsoft. Horrible leadership. And they are being plan disrespectful to the loyalist. The board needs to march this clown up and stage and to actually say something for once that is truthful and actually means something, or fire him and get someone in that would. Who would have thought this idiot could be so bad that he makes Balmer look like the Messiah.

I blame fanboyz too.... These people blindly supported M$ crap. Didn't gave chance to others to express their issues. Now they are dreaming of Surface phones lol....

totally LIke Wise.   Fanboys of this crap platform do not help the situation.  If they all did what I did,  pull from MS products and services completely.   Speak with your dollars,  not with your mouth.  Money rules business...and if more people want change,  pull from the ecosystem....what how fast things change....but probabaly they wont even do anything then because they are just an enterprise company now...

I understand your frustration. Edge pages are so ugly when pinned to the screen. In the end, you have to use what works for you. It seems like the choice is to be a loyalist and pin many pages to your homescreen, which affects your experience, or just use any of the other 2 OSes that rarely need pinning, but you don't get the visual design you want, even though you kind of can on Android with Launchers. It's important to weigh what is most important to you.

I actually make my own tiles in Pixelmator as transparent monochrome png, then use the Start Perfect app to make transparent flipping tiles out of them. Looks lovely with pinned websites

Wow, you are a smart one. Never thought of that.

@BluetoothFairy1. Try Skinery Themes. Decent tile making app.

Thanks @TechFreak1!
I'll definitely give it a whirl.
So far, I've used Start Perfect adn Transparent Tile Pack, both decent in their own way, though showing their age as many new UWP apps are not on their lists.

OMG ... just let W10 go
if that gives you the peace of mind
that you seemingly need.  

They have said it, several times, we just may have not wanted to hear it. They are focusing on enterprise, even if the surface comes later next year, it will be an enterprise focused phone.   Hopefully the 'plan' for other OEMs will bring about the customer focused phones we need. 

Focusing does not mean they have dumped the consumer. That's the problem. No one knows what "focusing" means for the public consumer....its all in Nutella Code.

Agree. All this uncertainty, doubts and vague statements from the company is what made me jump ship eventually. If I am to use some technology as a base for operations, be it for business or private purposes, I need to know that I will not be thrown overboard within at least the next five years.

  This is the biggest thing for me. I was a major Microsoft supporter and was pushing their devices and services for quite some time. But they kept removing features that were useful and made them unique, they were supporting other platforms while neglecting their own, and never give information to reassure their fans and regular consumer that they are really in it for the long haul. Why should I tell a client that a Microsoft device is worth buying if I don't even know when or if they are going to cut the cord. It's just like all those who were buying WP8 devices thinking that they were going to get the W10M upgrade. Then they backtracked on that. Unlimited storage in OneDrive with O365 sub, is what was getting people to hop on board when I told them about it. Then in W10, placeholders went away with vague statements about it's future, not "hey we are removing it and will be adding it later. It will probably be a year before its added back but we are doing it". I bought the L950 and it's still much buggier than my L1520 is on the same build but it will probably be a year before that works like it should. The consumers want a reassurance that when they buy a MSFT product, they can look forward to having the best MSFT experience on that MSFT product. Not constantly watch them launch app after app and even give more features to competing platforms. They are selling a product they are really not standing behind. And that is what is making this technician that's all-in MSFT products point his clients towards other products and platforms. If I don't even know how long something is going to last, I cannot make the conscious decision to suggest it. Honestly at this point, if it werent for Halo, I would probably be either a PC gamer or bought a PS4 instead of an Xbox One. And since Halo 5 Forge is on PC, I am sure Halo 6 will be Xbox PlayAnywhere so Xbox One will probably be my last console and if W10M is still neglected over the next 6 months with no Surface Phone in sight with MSFT actually standing behind it and marketing it like I see Samsung and Apple marketing their products, then once a nice deal comes along, my wife and I will most likely be switching to iPhones. I hate even saying that but it's true. The both of us have been getting more frustrated with it and Microsoft is just taking everyone's money without any reassurance. That's bad business.

How can we reach out to that dummy called Nadella just angry that have loved Windows even bought a Lumia 640 for my bro n now all this not interested in consumer market even in the pc world they have more os ,don't u ever ball out on us Windows mobile 10

Contact him on twitter, but his ass will just ignore it. Also reach out to Panos and tell him all his work on the Surface is pointless because most supporters are leaving that market when they leave the Windows Phone market. Panos needs to get up Nutella's ass. The guy is ripping of consumers buy selling these things knowing damn well he has no intention of supporting it.

Why don't you just jump the ship? Would be the easiest for you,
you would not need to complain anymore and be a totally happy person.  

Because they have suckered me and many others into buy phones, tablets, pc's, laptops, bands, and video game councils all under the notion of one for all. I want to hear that POS CEO once and for all say he lied. The amount of money many of us spent isn't easy to "just walk away". I guess the only gratification at this point would be him admitting he is a lying sack and the board to ditch his dead beat ***.

why not have a look here: http://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MSFT/?p=MSFT If you had bought some Microsoft shares some time ago
instead of the stuff you now fret about,
would you refuse to cash in on the financial gains you made
and donate it to an NGO or something? Just a question.
.  

make a third party ebay, they are always better then original.

I can see how they will announce Surface Phone, we have removed the app store, we got rid of the app gap altogether, and it comes pre installed with a calculator and you can use that with continuum on a supported monitor.

I'm this close to saying screw them and screw the surface phone. We are only speculating they dont want this sold to consumers. But if they have any intention of it being used in that aspect, they are ******* off most of the people that would be in the market for one.

I hate to laugh but hahahaha

No big deal to me. If get the urge to look at stuff on the phone, the website is perfectly fine, but when I buy stuff from EBay or Amazon, I always prefer to sit behind a nice big screen at home.

Goood fooooor yooooou.  I buy when I feel like it whether it be on my computer at home,  my tablet,  my phone,  I want to do things on all my devices.  Somehting that can't be done easily on windows now.  

I actually wanted to say that earlier! I agree with you, but hopefully with MS's vision, it will become a reality. I understand it is a long way off, and MS will probably fail like they normally do, but one can hope.

Why I don't receive any notification?

R u kidding me? What r they doing? I thought Apple was doomed when Jobs past away but this is ridiculous. I'd like to beat up the guys that r coming with these solutions like extinguishing Lumia. I still have guts that r saying that my 930 camera is the best...

All the ebay emails I get have promotions to use the mobile app but only for ios and android. So I've stopped using ebay all together for quite some time now.

If you boycot all the companies that don't support Microsoft, how do you live or eat?

Yeah, that would be a major inconvenience to yourself.

@avatar_of_apathy. Well you can cook without the aid of apps. In terms of living, people got on just fine without smartphones :P (let alone high speed internet - not too long ago we used to wait a week or so for a movie to buffer on dial up...).

Of course its possible. But some people inconvene themselves SO much by backing MS with their undying love when MS has just left consumers out to dry... IT'S UNHEALTHY PEOPLE...

Not using eBay is not an inconvenience. If they even showed a little support I would support them. But as it is, if windows mobile does disappear i will go to a flip phone again. Because I really don't like iOS software/apple or android software/google. Back in the day I thought of going back to blackberry, but when they moved to android that stopped me switching. So yea.

Enjoy your startac in a month or two.

Maybe you could live without high speed internet! =P I realize you were joking, but I wasnt really joking about just smartphones.

Very easily actually.

That did start off as a joke, but because of your silly response to it, I will now give you a serious response. I will not pretend to know you or your life situation and how easy it would be to live without companies that don't support MS with apps, so I will compare it to my life. I will cover eating first since this is smaller, but it does go with living my normal life so it is really all one thing in the end.   For eating:   I would not be able to shop at any chain grocery stores or retailers as Wal-Mart or Target around me because they have an app that is not on WP. If there was a locally owned store around me (which there is, but it’s a glorified convenient store), then I could get food to cook. I can, however, shop at a convenient store so I do have a way of getting a limited selection of stuff to cook or eat. As far as fast food, none. Restaurants, some chains are limited because of apps, but we always have local ones that don't use a reservation service that doesn’t have and app that doesn’t support us. Ok, in the end I can eat, I will give you that one, but later I will cover why this would be difficult.   For living there is so much, where do I begin? Let’s start with banks:   I would say that I would have to drop my accounts at Capital One and have no alternatives, but Bank of America now has a WP app and they do have branches ‘near’ me so at least I would have a bank to use. I would have to refinance my mortgage and car notes to them because my current mortgage bank does not support Windows. Refinancing the loans would be quite difficult (along with paying the bills afterwards) because I would have to quit my job as I work for a utility company that doesn’t have an app for us. What is my alternative for work? I can’t do fast food, or most major customer centered corporations, so I guess I would have to work for some locally owned store that doesn’t have apps (way, way more hours than I currently do, which is a lot). I can’t live off the government because most programs utilize a bank card that is from a company that doesn’t support us. I also couldn’t live off of my credit cards because I believe all of them have apps that aren’t on WP. So it looks like it is cash only to buy things, and perhaps you could say that goes away too because the federal government has apps that probably aren’t for us.   So even if I could keep my house by paying in cash at the one bank I can use, there wouldn’t be much to do in it. I can’t get mail delivered because USPS has an app that WP doesn’t. This means I can’t get bills in the mail. This is fine, I can do electronic right? I can, because thankfully T-Mobile just put out a W10 app, so I can pay that bill and keep mobile internet. I can keep home Internet, TV, and Phone if I switch to ATT because they have an app too. However, it is hard to do anything without electricity, which I now drop because the Power Company that I used to work for still doesn’t have an app for me. I think I can get water because they don’t use apps yet, but they barely have online bill pay and I can’t receive an electronic bill, so that’s shut off. I would have to kill gas to my house too because of no app, so I can no longer cook the little bit of food I can buy. So if I do manage to keep my house, I guess I am grilling outside only and on my phone for entertainment that I can’t charge except in my car or at work.   So that’s it…. I am sure I missed a lot, but as you can see, it would be VERY hard for ME to live without these companies. I would assume that it would probably be equally hard for you, but once again, I don’t pretend to know your situation.  

Maybe instead of stopping use of the services,  you stop using the crap microsoft products.....get an IOS or Android phone,  you will be much happier,  when you see something and say I want to give that a go,  YOU CAN!  Hell even blackberry and amazon stores have more in them...

I really like the eBay app, a bit outdated but does the job. Could do with a nice new UWP app though, as the iOS and Android apps are really good. Windows really needs big brand apps to curb the app gap image.

One of my favorite apps. Sad days for win10 mobile.

This is the end...it was good while it lasted (well, not so much the last year and a half). If only Microsoft gave a darn about mobile...

I use this crappy app regularly. Old UI and slow as hell. Also can't always get high quality images of products. It still works, although notifications stopped working for me over a month ago. I reinstalled once and fixed it briefly but haven't bothered again.
So....yeah this is an abandoned app and anyone who uses it could tell. It would have been nice to hear news of a revamp, but oh well. Windows Phone becoming less and less relevant for normal consumers.

Lol, still there is no way in hell I am using my Android experia Z as a daily driver. I've literally started to detest part of my work only because I have to deal with Android ;).

What i don't think this idiot CEO understands either, is that when many of us switch OS's for phones, most of us will do the same with tablets. I dont need to be buying multiple version of the same app because Microsoft cant get behind their own phones. And if we are moving our phone and tablet business, im just going to finish the move and do the same with laptops, especially since Microsoft keeps saying they are blurring the market. So bye bye Surface sales.

Typical halo effect. I agree that if I'd switch to iPhone, I too would stop looking at Surfaces and XBOX. 
Pretty sure MSFT is aware of this. These are truly dark ages for MSFT devotees.
Now we know how BlackBerry fans must have felt :-)

Exactly. They want it to be one on all. Well, its hard to sell us on it, when they are bailing on part of the all.

I find this comment chain to be interesting because I know a number of people with Android phones and an iPad. It's to the point where it;s not even strange at all.

@libra89. Most households you fill find have windows pcs, ipads/+android tabs and android phones/+iphones.

They were making some good ground with tablets and laptops. This will kill it. So much for one on all. Its now all here maybe there, not do much over there a little here today, not so much tomorrow. Moron of a CEO.

Exactly what I did,  I moved to Apple for everything.  it's a much better computing experience than this pile of crap.  I never thought I would have said that,  and would not have on windows 8....but 10 is just pure sewage.

This better be because a UWP app is on its way

Unfortunately we say that all the time and it never is true...or at least the few times it is, we get the crap we just got with the "new" Amazon app.

Very doubtfull unfortunatly.

In fact, this would make perfect sense in terms of effective impact in Win OS segment. Great thinking, mate! They can't ignore the desktop market and I am certain that next mobile device iteration will do just that...run desktop grade apps hence no need for any phone replication.

f... any company that will not support Best OS

I must agree. F...'em all ;P

Most every company does infact support the best os.   OSX and IOS are the best at the moment!

Witt a well optimized web and a good browser who needs an app for every thing... The important is that MS dont stop in supporting windows mobile

I use the phone app quite a bit, but the one on desktop (which has the same message) is complete rubbish. Actually the mobile app is not much good either.  Hopefully they are doing a propper new app.  But I suspect not.

Move on guys. Microsoft itself want US to move to iOS and Android. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android

From your phone go online and then pin the EBAY home page to your start screen. Simple. Believe me. The app will come back to Windows. Cheers.

Believe me. I'm the biggest Windows fan. The app isn't going to come back. Nothing is going to get better until everyone gets on board and scream until Nutella the token Indian CEO is gone. He is a train wreck. Believe me.

No amazon, no eBay, no paypal. What's left in Microsoft app disappearing list. Reasons why people are going apple and android, now a days.

Don't kid yourself...there's simply no way you could enjoy using the competition after the windows experience. I dread every day I have to use my work Xperia Z phone. The phone is great but the OS won't ever be...

I used to say the same thing,  until I got my apple products...having every app, wearable, accessory,  software, etc at your fingertips is very refreshing instead of the constant,  "we don't support windows apps"  or "we are maybe going to develop" or "we have a windows app which is just a webwrapper (which by the way is useless on every device besides a desktop)".    I don;t know if there are enough life jackets for all the fanboys in the fridgid waters.

I think the cause and effect are the other way around. They pulled the apps because people were not leaving this platform, or more precisely, not onboarding onto W10M platform in large enough amount. Once that death spiral started, existing dedicated users started finally leaving too. But it was the lack of critical user mass at the very beginning. That and a long line of other reasons back in W8 days.

Quite unfortunate. I've been using the app to sell some things from time to time.

What I have been saying for the past six months.    Ms is going down.  The windows ecosystem is pure sewage created to data mine.  Win8 and win phone 8 was way ahead of win10.   But they wanted a rewrite to data mine 

Win8 and WP8 was "way ahead"? Can I smoke some of that stuff you're on!

Yes,   they were....windows phone.  Stable, fast, Growth.....windows 8,  the same as windows 10 on the desktop but with real touch control unlike that slop that is windows 10 "tablet" mode.   YES......windows 8 and windows phone 8 were way ahead of this **** that is called windows 10....Everything that supposedly made windows 10 better is crap.  Universal apps = FLOP.    Continuum = GIMPED RT = FLOP.   ONE OS to RULE THEM ALL......= FLOP!..

You should try it, it's great, lot's of smoke, nice smelling! windows 8.1 was a properly tested OS, with it's debated start screen, but was tested by testers, not guinea pigs insiders. It was way more touch friendly. So yeah, all quality ended when Nadella came on board. I work with this junk windows 10 every day at the office and is a total pain, glad that is only a pilot now and we have not rolled it out to everyone...piece of junk OS.

Tbf the android and ios apps are very far from great. They don't offer a full experience, and the website is inconsistent and buggy! Posted via the Windows Central App for Android

The major selling point for a Windowsphone could now be security. After all once all those insecure apps become unavailable it will almost be app free!  

Good news! I stopped using ebay and PayPal completely a few months back due to security issues. Ebay is doomed to mediocrity. Not needed anymore, goodbye.

I guess you never sell anything then. Or if you do, you use Craiglist. I don't see this working out in the long run.

Microsoft should refund all the people that bought a x50 phone.

Or at least issue an apology for how buggy the OS is!

by Nutella's vision it's a great piece of quality work...:))

Or even give a formal thank you for being beta testers since they launched.

It does not matter what MS says about Windows Mobile.  When all app developers are gone, you do not have a platform. I hate Android and I hate iOS but at least those platforms will exist in the future and have useful apps.  Even if the Microsoft platform was better, Microsoft did not treat it like it was the best and the strategy was never there to win.  Even if there is a surface phone and there is still doubt there will be, without the proper apps, who is going to care to switch to the platform?

Nadella frutella is such a failure.

All my previous comments would tell you that I am in fact a windows fan.  I am most certainly happy with Windows 10 and think it is an excellent O/S. After 3 diffrent Windows Phones and a MS band 2, I am beginning to get tired of it though.   I thought Ballmer was terrible for the company, not just becuase he missed the rise of Mobile, but the fact that he didn;t just put a phone on the Zune HD.  That device is still one of the most beautiful pieces of machinery I have ever used and was simply easy to use.  Unfortunatly, the right people at MS didn't really ever get a chance to show what they could do. I am starting to sour on Nadella.  I feel like he's trying to make MS a software company again, and with that will come their failure.  Google and Apple are not hardware, software or internet companies, they are invention companies.  They are making things that let you do things you could do before, or make things you did before a whole lot easier.  MS was starting to follow down that path.  Now they are pulling back. My band 2 is a great peice of machinery but the rubber part on the wrist keeps cracking and breaks.  I recieved mine as a gift from my wife in February.  By the end of March the band broke so I took it to the MS store and they would not swap it out in the store.  They sent me to a site where I had to ship it in and wait for one to come back.  So I did, and then in May it broke again.  Then again in June.  Now it's October and my band is broke again.  SO I go to the website and it wont let me send it in.  The site tells me something is wrong on there end and to try again later.  Every time I've tried for the last 3 weeks I've gotten the same message.  SO I go to the MS store and now I have an appointment for Monday to have it looked at while I have it held together with electrical tape. Maybe I am wrong about Nadella.  Maybe it's the board over there at MS that is demanding that R&D or new products get shelved.  I don't know, but it seems like they have good ideas before most, they just don;t follow through.  I was hoping for a Band 3 so I could turn trade up on this band but I'm hearing that it might never come out.  So I'm thinking about just jumping away from all of it.  So sad too, being able to manage their products has provided me with a livelyhood for a while now.  It sucks that I am losing faith in them like this, but their lack of commitment is killing me....

I was annoyed about this for a few mins, but then I used the mobile website for the first time ever and it's far better than the app was.

Microsoft is platform without future. They kill their own apps without warning. Few days ago I realized that Weather app don't work anymore on my Windows 8.1 tablet. And I don't upgrade to Windows 10 on my tablet. I tryed it and it was total crap. It was slow and sluggish and finger gestures was very very bad. I don't see any reason to stay with it anymore. Sorry about my Lumia 950. If I see modern cars rolling out with multimedia systems supportin only Android or iOS supported devices, then in near future Microsoft ideal enterprize customer can only call, send SMS and emails with his phone. For this is no need for hefty $999 price tag phones. Even if also camera is a crap.

What about sachet Nutella lol don't what OS to switch to since i don't like ios or android that much maybe Ios will b fine cos i don't like android used that os n damn wrong choice

The ebay app was like the Amazon app: useless  

ebay app has always worked fine for me.

Wow... wtf are you doing MS? Things need to change NOW or we are yesterdays news. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android

You were yesterdays news over a year ago when windows 10 was announced.  they had this plan all along!

Dw guys they are just planning to update it to make it Windows 10 friendly in terms of interface and functionality. Give them about 2 months top, I bet you.

Yeah, like their Paypal app, which disappeared and has not reappeared? I use the eBay app every few days, this is very disappointing.

Omg! Another app

This App was always a POS for Windows Phone... I normally used the browser to do what I needed. I do a lot of stuff on ebay, selling and buying so I use a lot of the features of ebay. For the life of the WP app, you could NEVER do best offers and there was other features that I needed. It was only good if you were going to buy something at full price, or check on your current auctions... With this gone soon, it will be the final nail for me on Windows Phone.... too many apps not being updated and going away for good. It's really too bad, From someone who used Android and iOS, I love Windows Phone the most (features, OS, life tiles etc) but, apps are expected to extend the phone...and Windows Phone STILL does not have it... never reallly did... Windows Phone/Windows Mobile... no matter the re-name, the problems dont change...

Whoa! 270 posts and counting. And all of that just because of decommissioning of an already outdated sub-par app.
Was this the preveribal last straw sending people over the edge or am I missing something else?
If either of you had to write 2 bullets as a joint message to Microsoft and eBay: 
1/ telling them why a new app is needed?
2/ telling them why you don't care about this? What would your top reasons be for each scenario?
I'm just curious...

It's not the about an outdated app being pulled from the Store. It's about yet another app that is no longer supported by a major player in the given segment. It's yet another sign of how the platform is being mistreated by Microsoft, and thus by the developers. Nadella is aber the stock prices, but in my opinion his vision, if the guy has one at all, is a very short-sighted one. And above all, he is a liar. And I can't do business with liars.

Exactly. Its about the fact that its yet another app going away that was functional enough for those who still used it. Its the same thing as the ESPN FFL app being pulled. The paypal app that was useless, and the amazon app before that... It just keeps happening.

I dont use so much this app, but it's sad to see so many apps leaving this platform. Hope to see the UWP app soon.

I dont use so much this app, but it's sad to see so many apps leaving this platform. Hope to see the UWP app soon.

I dont use so much this app, but it's sad to see so many apps leaving this platform. Hope to see the UWP app soon.

MS is going to make mobile for business use.  They have given up on the consumer side.  Buying a Win 10 Mobile phone at this point is just throwing money away.  Move on.

Re: TechJunkie81,
Businesses use Amazon, EBay, and sadly social media. They take pictures too.

The eBay app on PC was always rubbish but I thought the mobile one was useable. Anyway, think this might be the last nail in the coffin for me. There have always been a few apps I would have liked to have had but the lack of those was outweighed by how much I liked Windows Phone. Seems however that the writing is on the wall. Much as i dislike Google, I'm jumping ship to Android and my 950 will be making it's way to eBay. Very much hope I have a reason to come back one day.

:)) Honestly, I am happy to see this happening, and enjoy watching MS's mobile platform fail! Why? Because only this way, Nadella will understand all the pathetic decissions that he made so far. He thinks that by delivering lies and mediocre quality, MS will simply go by, and users will bite the donut again? Not a chance! And more popular apps will exit this bug plagued platform, this is only the beginning.

Nutella will never understand....You need the board of directors to understand......that way they can fire is ass all the way back to where he came from!

Soon to be gone from the mobile app store also. On desktop windows 10, it is no longer available for download. http://imgur.com/ZBizS8c

Unrelated to the app (I think it's needed on W10M honestly) but I just don't need to use eBay anymore. With Amazon Prime for delivery and prices on there being really good I never bother buying from eBay. Even for brand new items on there they rarely beat the Amazon price, even if it does by a few quid it's worth paying that little extra for the Amazon purchase experience being so smooth. Just need a decent Amazon app now (Bardcode reader and notifications on order updates is all I really want that I can't get from the site as easily)

It's not a big deal for me.  I find using a browser just as easy as the app.  It would be nice to see Microsoft define a mobile strategy and begin executing it.  I have no desire to use Android and I will go back to a flip phone before I would use Apple anything.  I suppose it's an irrational preference.  I can't get past the memory of the black turtleneck wearing legend who "changed the world."  I had all kinds of unpleasant emotions when I read about the supposed wunderkind CEO of Theranos who patterned her early image on Steve Jobs by dressing like him.  She turned out to be a scammer and a fraud, her product malfunctioning vaporware.  Her story, and what Apple has become are everything that is wrong with Silicon Valley.  Innovation is becoming a rare and distant memory overshadowed by self promoting out of touch "visionaries" who inhabit a bubble where they throw money and compliments at each other.  Thank you for your attention to my tirade.