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Apple underwhelms with the iPhone 5. Here's why the Nokia Lumia 920 is better.

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Today, Apple finally took the wraps off of the long-awaited iPhone 5 (you can get all the dirty details at our sister site iMore). Funny thing happened along the way though to the announcement: many leaks came forward early on that turned out to be highly accurate, taking the punch out of a lot of the new features. What’s more, even the media started to get a bit bored with Apple’s plans for the next-gen device.

The question for our readers though is in terms of raw technology—who came out on top? We say that because we know Apple will win the PR and hype war, but for the first time a Windows Phone has gone toe-to-toe and in terms of specs, has beat out the next-generation iPhone.

Specifications - iPhone 5

Here is what the new iPhone 5 packs for the main features:

  • 112 grams (20% lighter than the 4S)
  • 7.6mm thin
  • 4” in-cell 1136 x 640 display (16:9; 326ppi)
  • 8MP rear camera with F/2.4 lens, BSI sensor and Sapphire crystal
  • Apple A6 Chip
  • 4G LTE, DCHSPA

The crux of the update is this though: the iPhone 5 increases the display vertically to show more, but does not make the phone wider thereby making it easier to hold. In turn, Apple have also made it much thinner and lighter, going for the super-temporary title of “world’s thinnest” blah blah. We’re sure that will change in like 3-6 weeks, knowing how fast technology moves these days.

They also added 4G LTE, re-did their proprietary connector and gave it a faster A6 processor.

 

The Lumia 920 and the Lumia 900, chillin'

Let's compare

By comparison, the really thin Samsung ATIV S is 8.7mm thick and weighs in at 135g. Of course the simply massive 2300mAh battery on board makes up for that in our opinion. The Lumia 920, meanwhile is a monster, coming in at 185g and 10.7mm thick.

So if you want small and nimble, yes, the iPhone 5 is your choice and let’s not deny the fact that many people do prefer small, thin phones.

But it was the rest of the news that made the presentation, soporific. That’s because Apple either didn’t reveal anything new or what they did say was quite unexciting.

For instance, the in-cell display is neat—they put the touch sensitive components within the display directly, making it super thin. But it’s not Nokia’s Super-sensitive display. That means you have to take your gloves off to use it. That's sooo early 2012.

That's a killer commercial right there for Nokia: Show someone wearing their gloves while using the Lumia 920. Next, have the iPhone 5 with someone mashing their gloved phalanges on the screen in frustration. Sold.

Lumia 920 looks good on paper

What’s more, Nokia’s PureMotion HD+ has a 60Hz refresh rate, making it “blur free” and the fastest display on a phone.  Throw in ClearBlack for super saturated colors, 4.5” inches in size and a massive 332ppi that dwarfs the iPhone 5 and we know the winner.

But that didn’t stop Apple from exclaiming, "This is the world's most advanced display and I couldn't be prouder of it."

Sorry, but bullshit.

Next up was the camera. Here, Apple could have snuck in some new tech that none of us would have predicted. But no they gave users an updated iPhone 4S camera--a very solid camera—but not ground breaking. With an F/2.4 lens, BSI sensor and an improved chipset, the iPhone 5 will be good but it's not pushing the boundaries.

Nokia though has an F/2.0 camera (more light for the sensor, more ‘bokeh’ blur), 1/3” BSI sensor and optical-image stabilization (OIS) with that last one being a first for a smartphone. Toss in Nokia’s algorithms plus Scalado’s software and in terms of raw specs, Nokia crushed Apple.

Yes, we need to do side-by-side comparison, but any photographer worth their salt would reach for the Nokia’s PureView camera over the iPhone 5 just based on specs.

Even on battery life and talk-time, Apple did not fair so well. Talk time over 3G is just 8 hours versus the 10 hours claimed by Nokia. When it comes to standby time, it’s even worse: Apple – 225 hours versus Nokia at 400.

The new iPhone 5. Not bad but not great.

Where Apple wins

Apple of course does win a few areas—super thin, super light, as mentioned above. They also announced a pre-order date (September 14th), shipping date (September 21st) and of course prices starting at the regular $199 and up.

For many, that’s a huge win for Apple as they always out do their competition that way. And while it would have been nice for Nokia to do the same, the fact of the matter that probably won’t happen. Ever. Microsoft makes the software, OEMs make the hardware and carriers have to sell it.  To get all three of those to line up to make global availability announcements is just too hard, especially since Windows Phone 8 has not been RTM’d (released to manufactures aka final build).

The fact is, Samsung, HTC, LG, Huwaei etc. all play by those rules on Android and Windows Phone too. Sure, it’s not ideal but Nokia is not the exception here—Apple is. And Apple can do this for two reasons (1) they strong-armed carriers, who will never allow that to happen again and (2) they have the clout to demand things.

Microsoft? Not so much.

Having said that, look for a November release for Nokia.

Nokia's PureMotion HD+ is real innovation

Where Apple loses

Excitement. There, we said it. The new iPhone 5 with its longer look is not that sexy to be honest and the new features did not cause us to have a ‘wow’ moment. Not once.

Maybe that’s too much to ask from Apple. Not every Pink Floyd album can be Dark Side of the Moon, right?  But Apple has set the bar for magical technology and the iPhone 5 failed to impress. Not because it's a bad phone, it just didn't push the industry that forward. Thinner and lighter with worse battery life? We went through that years ago.

No NFC, no inductive wireless charging, no OIS for the camera, no Super-sensitive touch screen, no Gorilla Glass 2, no exciting colors, no HAAC rich recording.

Lower pixels-per-inch (PPI) on the display, smaller display, worse battery life, mediocre camera specs, slower display refresh-rate. And you can't wear gloves while using it.

Will it be a nice phone? You betcha', we’re not knocking that. But will the media and fans be impressed with this when it is eventually put up against the Lumia 920 (or even other high end Android devices)? Probably not.

The fact of the matter is Nokia showed that their research & development team has a lot more up their sleeve than Apple and Nokia is just getting started.

The Lumia 920 in grey (via our Forums)

The Take Away

The iPhone 5 will sell well and will be reviewed well but it’s losing its power to impress, to set the bar for technology. It's starting to feel old. For the first time, competitors have a real chance to blow by Apple and we’re excited to say that the Lumia 920 is leading that charge.

Will it matter for sales? Not immediately but this could be the start as people begin to get excited for something different, again.

Read more about the iPhone 5 at iMore.com. Tell is comments what you thought of today's announcement and the chances for Nokia.

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

345 Comments
  • Woo! I knew you wouldn't let us down, Daniel :)
  • +1
  • +2 now I will wait for the nokia
    Consulting since 98
    enterprise management software
  • +2 good review. Daniel does the new 920 still have the least reflective screen in the world like the N900? Its something I love, to be able to see my phone in the sun. And its another thing better than iPhone.
  • Yup, have been waiting for this. Lumia 920 come to me!
  • Definitely... I've enjoyed reading other articles on WP Central but this has got to be the best one yet... He even said "Bullshit."
  • kind of the exact reason i didnt like the article. i like the site, love the mobile app, but honestly cannot stand the way daniel writes. every article hes involved with comes off as an angry fanboy rant. its silly. leave that kind of stuff to the angry pre teens on the boards. 
     
  • Keep on keep'n on Daniel!
  • Too much tech blog writing comes off as angry fanboy ranting. 
     
    Why?  It gets hits. 
  • Here's why I think Apple will succeed where Nokia and MS fail. Go up to any teen pre-teen or just about any young person between the ages of 12 and 25 and ask them if they would rather have a brand new Iphone5 or a brand new Lumia 920. And I can almost guarantee that atleast 99% percent will say Iphone5. Why? Because they recognize the brand. Specs,,,screen,,,camera don't matter. All that matters its a NEW Iphone.
  • I guess that makes my kids '1-percenters'  then...nice!
  • That's not true in my kids' circle of friends. IPhone is their parents' phone and they don't want any part of that!
  • I have to agree, my  girls and all there friends not one of them have a iPhone. macpro laptops yes. my three plus another three all have WP7 devices the rest android and of a few of them they want the lumia 820. They like the bold colors, they like the live tiles feeds, so WP8 is really going to have a great fighting chance the only ones who can screw it up will be Microsoft and not the users.
  • Well you need to teach ur kids about better choice in life, and writting comments like this doesn't help. There are much better phones than the iPhone ,920 being one, so educate them on better specs, not just iPhone sh*t
  • I wasn't refering to my kids,,,I don't even have any. I was making an observation of what I see while out and about shopping and what not.
    I tend to notice that most young people all have iphones along with a few android.
  • This is lame, the phone has not even been reviewed or tested and everyone is already trashtalking it???   If they made the Apple logo glow you would all be stunned in aww and would drop money on it just because it has a new feature. 
    I like the 920 but it will probably not sell very well, they innovated a ton on it which is great!!!, messed up on marketing and presentation, then messed it up by not making it thin and removing the premium feel with a glossy case.  They should have come out with a few more guns blazing, making it thinner, using an aluminum casing, while going edge to edge on the display to make it smaller while maintaining a huge screen.Awesome phone but they need to provide a realse dat, pricing, and show how it will integrate with Windows 8 and the Xbox, not leave us with the hope that it will.
     
    Apple puts all of their ducks in a row and gets it done then and there, no uncertainty.
     
  • Yay, im that 1%!
  • Not true with me, people see me titan and their like "damn, thats big, what phone is that?" and I explain and they like to look and the smoothness. :)
  • I'm 15, and I'm the smartphone expert. I know more then the shit staff at AT&T. And I want the NL920.
  • go get 'em son..
  • So we bested Apple when it comes to technology, but now it's up to Nokia to tell everyone. Relax.
  • uhh... are you the guy who collect the statistics?
  • Ahuczek... You're so ANAL.. This was well written and the opposite of lifeless:)
  • Common you exaggerating, its not that bad.
  • I had to agree. This article is full of anger.
  • +1
  • Lol I chuckled at it
  • Yea, I even said...OH to that one... lol
     
  • +1
  • Put excellently
  • Is it bad I'm more excited about the update for WPCentral, then for the iPhone 5?
  • +1
  • +1
  • Daniel I think today's best news has been the fact that Nokia (indirectly WP8) has been in the news without effort from MS and Nokia. I was very happy to see the Iphone 5 been compared to a windows phone. I do not know when it ever happen, maybe you can help me with that Daniel.
    Now most tech journos will look at the Nokia 920 first for comparison purpose. I think that was a benefit of announcing great tech before Apple.
  • I agree completely. I was pleased to see the Lumia 920 in comparisons all over the Internet.
  • Most tech journalists don't have any interest in Windows Phone. The ones who follow MS will certainly compare the 920 favorably to the iPhone 5. But NY & Silicon Valley tech journalists who write for the largest publications won't even regard the 920 as an iPhone 5 competitor, much less believe that anyone would want to buy it instead of the iPhone 5. That can only change if WP8 succeeds, and puts many Lumia phones into the hands of mainstream consumers.
  • I will agree, look everyone wants a Lumia 920 but not everyone will go to AT&T
  • Good point, I noticed the same in major sites and newspapers.
  • +1
  • +1
  • What's missing is a comparison against the lumia 900, iphone5 seems to fall short of many wp7.5 phones. Im shocked, they've exposed their queen to a double attack!
  • totally!
     
    boring OS
    and boring Phone..
    This round goes to Nokia!
  • Ha ha ha same thing again but different model number. VIVA NOKIA 920 my money is yours!
  • I absolutely refuse to get the iPhone because its "what everyone is doing". Look how they mind f*** their customers. Somehow they turned having to buy new adapters into a good thing. That's nothing but money in their pocket. I'll be getting myself a 920 so its a pass on this thing.
  • This is taken from my Facebook:
    =======================================
    My post: iPhone 5 = Dud. Friend 1: Not bro. Me: Yes, bro. Thinner, taller, faster but beyond that it was more of the same. You want a killer phone get the Nokia Lumia 920 later this fall ;-) Friend 2: Comes with LTE. Not excited about the taller screen, but the new processor rocks. I have the 4S and I'll just stay with that. The new iOS 6 upgrade will be nice. Me: My buddy ...... will likely answer: "I don't care." ;-) (see note below) Me: @Friend 2: LTE was an obvious addition. Other phones have it already. Friend 1: well I have to say I like apple and I stay with it because over all is a good product. Friend 3: I have no idea what any of this talk means. I have an iPhone..... Don't ask me what type or any other specifics because I don't know!!
    ============================================= Note: The "I don't care" is a reference to the HTC EVO vs. iPhone 4 YouTube video from 2 years ago. Feels like forever, no?
     
    I haven't even brought up the camera or PureMotion to the discussion, hahaha!
  • Lumia 920 CRUSHES the iPhone 5. Be mine, Lumia 920!!
  • ^^^^
    THIS!!
  • Hey Daniel,
        You forgot the battery life  Nokia has 10 hrs compare to iCrap 5 8 hrs. That is why Nokia is a little thicker.
  • Actually, I mention battery life. Maybe I'll bold some terms...lot of stuff in there.
  • I love how they brag about the thinness and weight. Thin doesn't mean it's comfortable to grip. Thin is going to cause more structural problems and ease to crack the screen. And the aluminum back plate might just cause more signal degradation.
  • Well as i said on twitter, lumia920 beats the retina out of the new iphone. :D
  • Lmaoooooo +10000000
  • +1 good one!
  • +1
  • +1
  • let's just say, 'we'll read some online newspapers under the glaring sun'.
    AMOLED vs Retina
  • Compared with Iphone 5, Nokia 920 is better by a long shot across the industry.
    Now, if we have more powerful apps/games and multiple payment methods..
  • ^^^^^
    this!!
  • Good one. Where's all that hype about the iPhone 5????
  • Go to imore, cnet, the verge, and other shit websites.
  • CNET actually sided more with android today. After comparing to android only, a flood of tweets came through about Lumia 920 and they finally responded with the positive aspects of the phone.
  • Awesome.
  • http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Pdi%2Bic9hL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
    http://www.blogcdn.com/de.engadget.com/media/2012/09/apple-iphone-5-live...
     
    Nokia should go thermo-nuclear..
  • Looks like YEPP-P2 & YEPP-P3 from Samsung
  • Hey Daniel, good work on the article... I just noticed a couple of typos - "loosing" instead of "losing". "But it's Nokia's super-sensitive display" is missing a "not".
  • k thanks, fixin!
  • BOOM!!!! The smell of napalm is just lovely
  • :-D
  • Well, if Anandtech is correct about the CPU being Cortex-A15 based, the iPhone5 CPU is much better than the competition.
     
    But honestly?  None of this matters.  It's all about mindshare, and Apple is in a position where they dominate the market and they can do iterative upgrades to 'perfect' (to them, I can't stand it) their interface. I'm almost definitely getting a Lumia 920 (unless HTC shocks me).  So are a lot of people here.  I just don't see this changing anything for the public at large.
  • Sadly I'd agree
  • iPhone 5: Lumia 920, you win.
  • of course its better but really know one knows about it 
  • Nokia needs to do a huge worldwide publicity stunt tomorrow before the iPhone preorders begin.
  • Yeah they need like a redbull event or something, where a guy on a motorcycle has to jump 1,000ft over a giant Lumia 920 or something. 
  • On a side note...new iPod comes with a "loop". Heads up electronic manufacturers... If you made a device in the past ½ decade that has a tether on it, Apple is going to sue the hell out of your $@#%ing ass.
  • That would include just about every phone sold in Japan, which have a "loop" for hanging charms.
  • Did he mentioned Wireless Charging on the Lumia?
  • Yes.
  • "Sorry, but bs." Took the words right out of my mouth. Hahaha. I think not announcing price gave Nokia edge. Just put the 920 out at $150, I think you have some roasted Apples on a stick.
  • XD
  • Are you saying that the only wins of the new iPhone are shipping dates and availability plus that is lighter and thinner?...I understand that this site is bias because is WPcentral, so why even worry about the new iPhone. A lighter and thinner phone is better, made of metal instead of glass or plastic is better. 28mpx panorama...way better, 700.000 apps and support at least until the iPhone 7(im making this up, but since 3gs is supported...) way way better than the months that the L900 turn into legacy. Can't wait to get rid of this legacy brick called L800... No matter what you guys say the legacy thing still burns like hell...the no multitasking in this piece of crap is driving me mad.
  • 28mpx panorama is just a marketing thing.  It's really no different from what a million apps can do on every platform.
  • @ migueltoro
    "Are you saying that the only wins of the new iPhone are shipping dates and availability plus that is lighter and thinner?"
    Oh c'mon, the first thing I mention is how much thinner and lighter it is, especially compared to the L920. Look, I heap a lot of praise on the iPhone but we're talking INNOVATION. The creation of NEW TECHNOLOGY. Thinner, faster, lighter are nice. They're also the same things everyone else is doing. Motorola started that craze with the Razr.  The iPhone 5 did not add 700,000 apps from this announcemnt. That has nothing to do with physical technology. What you're doing is confusing your preference for a phone with the thrust of my article: that there was no "wow" technology invented or introduced by Apple today. Nice phone? Sure. Pushing the boundaries on mobile technology? Not really. 
  • Support until forever? What exactly do you mean?  You certainly aren't saying that every feature updated between iOS updates is available on every phone version from 3G > 3GS > 4 > 4S > 5?  Especially those that are dependent on hardware that can only possibly exist on the newer models.  Nokia didn't leave pre-WP8 devices behind and neither did Microsoft.  They are just not using the same trixie dixie naming to pretend that they are offering everything... after all, pre-WP7.5 devices that didn't have gyros, NFC, microSD, etc, when they launched won't suddenly grow them!  For features which are strictly software and that can be made available, they've committed to doing in-as-so-much as has been announced.  This is logical.  They just are calling it a different version number (for better or worse) - that is what is confusing you.  You clearly don't know anything about prior or newly announced WPx phones with all of the other "home-run" points you mentioned.  I'll add that the SaaS company I work for is full of iPhone developers and though they have had plenty to say (criticisms) about WPx over the past few months, they are all mysteriously mum on this launch.  Sorry, my friend, the overall message is that this iPhone iteration is and was a total bore.  
  • The only new, valid thing in there you pointed out was the app count. And I guarantee you won't feel any apps lacking in the WP Marketplace after the OS is out there for 6 months.
    Native code support and the interest boost that the Nokia hardware brings will get everyone drooling and developers will be porting their apps to WP in no time.
  • so, im going to call u a troll based on a few things
     
    1. 28mpx panorama? marketting term that lies in your face, just use photosynth and it achieve the same if not more, and if u really want to compare, the lenses feature is much better and much more important than these mega pixel non-sense
     
    2. watch the old ones burn as they update their software, mark my words
     
    3. really? wp has the exact same type of multitasking that ios have, talk about a joke
  • just good marketing? yes, but it works. I've just seen an article about the iphone and they wrote this: "new iphone bla bla bla...with a camera with panorama function that takes pictures with 28! megapixels." and they even added the"!" in the middle of the sentence, so it's just Marketing, but it works. everyone reads this and consumers believe this.
  • Do they not realize that is just the combined resolution of the 4- 8MP photos that were taken? Technically that isn't a 28MP picture, but I guess it could be. I keep forgetting that Apple is the greatest and innovate everything. 
  • Well there has to be some overlap to stitch them together correctly, that's probably what shrinks the 32 to 28.
  • I remember back to when the camera industry made the switch to plastics, everyone was up in arms. However, so many of those old metal cameras got banged around and dented. I like when a maufacture uses the proper material for the job. I think the apple looks great, but do you really think the Nokia is somehow weaker because its made of polycarbonate? So many proffessional cameras are wrapped in polycarbonate, it's a very durable material.
    Sorry about your issues with the 800, I had really wanted one. I have the 710 and love it. If I had to buy a cell phone TODAY and couldn't wait another month or two. I would buy another 710. I enjoy haw the phone works, It's not perfect but fits my uses.
    Displaced WebOS lover
  • We are happy to have you on WP
  • *Sigh* - I am quite pleased with Windows Phone, but still find myself trying to swipe close applications in WP 7.5s pseudo multi-tasking screen. When I see a text message at the top of my screen, I continually try to swipe away the notification. I hear the "ding" of a new e-mail and look to the bottom of my screen for the topic, only to see a little "1" pop up next to an envelope. Nothing else comes even close to WebOS. Best mobile OS ever. RIP, WebOS
  • Since I had my Palm Pre I have had an Android, Blackberry and 2 Windows Phones. When I am in a hurry I still make WebOS gestures all the time.
     
    Glad to hear I'm not alone
     
    Having said that, there's alot to love about WP, reaally looking forward to a WP8 phone when my contract comes due, sometime in January. I don't think I would switch but I will give Blackberry an honest look, I have heard great things about QNX and I'm not a power app user anyway
  • In windows phone 8 I think they  are adding task kill button on the multi-task screen and if you swipe the text notification to the right it goes away
  • You can swipe away text notifications, just swipe the notification bar to the right
  • I'm not trying to throw fuel on the fire and as an HD7 user I too have experienced my share of problems, but who hasn't?  Has there ever been a perfect OS or phone, no.  If there was it would be the only one.
    Finally, before you decide to twist words from an article and quote fictitious specs about a phone that only a handful of individuals have had hands on time with look to see how the article has been labeled... Editorial, I'd sure as hell hope there's at least some bias there.
  • By 'support' for years you mean NEW accessories with a different iP5 plug?
  • Lol. 28 megapixel panorama doens't mean anything. It's just taking 4 8 megapixel images and mashing them together. The Lumia and virtually every android phone out there can already do this.
  • Nice now get to advertising early Nokia
  • I5=zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  • I5=zzzzzzzzzzzz (dreaming of 920) :)
  • The iPhone 5 announcement was more than underwhelming. The only positive coming out of the entire event where the new headphones (think they'll work with my Lumia 900 or the 920 later this year?? ;) ).
  • I'd rather get a set of these http://www.puritybymonster.com/en/#page_in-ear than those earPods thanks all the same and in the color to match my Lumia 920 (Yellow)
  • Come to papa nokia 920.....im still want to see htc new phones,.. To decide.
  • The presentation was nothing over the top.  Nothing was "wow".  Some "pretty cool" moments but the 920 presentation, dull as it was at times, had "wow" moments because the tech was so nice.  Media is gushing and fawning over this I'm sure but nothing really stands out that other guys aren't already doing.  Now, lets hear something about a 920 release date eh? :)
  • I don't care for that two-tone design on the back, but otherwise I'm sure it'll be the best, and best-selling, iPhone yet. Decent specs boost, and probably excellent build quality. iOS still looks as boring as it did nearly 2 years ago when I switched over to WP, and there's nothing that was revealed today that would make me switch back. It's a fine phone, but my wallet is waiting for the Lumia 920.
  • I wish they would have announced NFC and wireless charging. iPhones with NFC would have skyrocketed adoption and accessories for the masses including the Lumia 920. Sux to be an apple fan boy today... Still wish the 920 was thinner and has a higher battery capacity.
  • That's probably why Apple didn't go with NFC: No need for a proprietary connector so no way to make money licensing the connector to device makers.
  • Haha, nice point!
  • hello.. Lumia got more power capacity than the IP5.. 2000 mAh
    P.S. The more thin you are, the less durable to drops you'll be
  • Surprised the 920 will have more pixels per inch, but it is a hefty thing really at 185g. Pretty sure I'll still love it!
  • Yes, I wish it was thinner and lighter... 920 might be too bulky for me, wish it was the size of the 820
  • JAY!!
  • plus aren't apple phone users sick of buying a phone that can't be insured by thier carrier. Sucks to b them. Nokia 920 for sure babyeee!!! :D
  • Damn the iphone5 is RUBBISH... I find people to be dumb to buy this phone.... Omg apple is done... They don't know what to do any more no wonder they really want to ban the hell out of Samsung..... Now after seeing what 5 does and has.. Im very proud to say I'm a LUMIA!!!
  • You'll love it.
  • How about chances for WP instead of Nokianokianokianokianokia? I feel like this is Nokia experts rather than WPCentral.
  • That's because Nokia has manufactured the FLAGSHIP Windows Phone.
  • So what? You don't know that yet, HTC could blow us all away next week for their announcement.
  • I wouldn't bet on it, bro.
  • Loll
  • If HTC comes up with something really good, we'llbe like "HTCHTCHTCHTC".
    I promise!
  • Exactly. You don't expect us to fawn over something non-existent. Nokia is getting the props that they deserve atm.
  • Great article daniel
  • One thing that drives me crazy is that Nokia completely fucked up their event by giving presentation duties to people who make other people fall asleep. Nokia could've really gotten world's attention by having a presentation worthy of their phone.
  • +1000
  • +1
  • Lol, that Jo girl needs to go away - it reminded me of a 30 minute clear eyes commercial.
  • Indeed, I went crazy every time I watched the keynote.
    Apple can present a trashcan better than Nokia presented the Lumia.
    Some key points Nokia had to put on the slides: 332 ppi LTE 100 Mbps 60 Hz refresh rate 400 hours stand by (almost as twice as shown today by Apple) 10 hours of 3G and 17 hours at 2G talk time Navigation (although a known feature, nice to show again) On the camera, put actual photos and video from the device Front camera at 960p (compared to 720p on the i5) And finally, also make sure all demos work.
    The guy presenting NFC was so nervous he didn't wait enough for the phone to pair with speaker (twice!) and it looked like it was the phone's fault.
    The gloves demo was a good idea but maybe a video made in some ski resort would have been better.
    They have to learn it's all about the presentation, not the device itself. At least not during the keynote.
    If you look how the VPs talk in the iPhone video that is now on Apple's home page you might think and believe the iPhone 5 is the only smartphone out there. (Well, if you are completely blind to other facts but we are mostly talking Apple fans anyway :) )
  • +1000. Enough said.
  • and... Ad-Gate. Now its hard to defend/debate with iSheep friends on facebook status comments :D
  • Wow what a surprise, the iphone 5 and UI look the same. Again -_- and people accept this crap...
  • I agree that is my biggest gripe with the iPhone, the os is just old and plain. I think the hardware is great though, just imagine an iPhone 5 running wp8!
  • +1
  • +1
  • This device will not help it with its war with the SIII in fact those sitting on the fence may now jump towards the WP or Android devices. I have been saying all along when November comes and the dust has settled you will finally be able to select a phone and tablet that can not only complete but overhaul Apple in almost every department.
     
    The iPhoneStretch will sell yes but I do wonder how much more the Apple fan can take. They complained bitterly about the 4S and then we had AerialGate but still they bought it in even greater numbers. It is diffilcult really not to label them iSheep because from the outside looking in this is certainly what it looks like.
     
    I think the 4S could do pretty well out of this as well. Lets face it if you have not already purchased the 4S and you are dead set on an Apple device now is a good time to snag that phone and save some money.
  • iPhoneStretch, that's pretty funny :)
  • Brilliant article, eagerly awaiting lumia 920 in ireland whilst converting all my friends to windows phone
  • what do you say to them everytime they bring up Ad-Gate? the commercial where they "simulated" OIS and Low Light pictures but the media calls it faked and Nokia lied?
    :)
  • I say, yes the ads are faked and that was stupid of them but the phones are for real. They didn't promise anything that the phones can't actually do.
  • I wonder if I asked Siri what phone has the best screen,  would she lie to me?!?!?!  Whatevers in november I'm getting a Nokia 920.  What happened to Apple's innovation?  I was not surprised in the least.
  • I think the lumia is a stong choice for me.  i have the benefit/curse of my upgrade becoming availble on Christmas this year. i have the ability to see what else comes out and hoping for some out of the blue price drops. (but to be clear, i fully expect a $199 phone) 
    I am a samsung focus user now and I am like 90% leaning towards the Ativ S because i want a larger screen.  If they some out with a note version on WP8 i would be leaning towards that too.
     
    I like the lumia and the tech. i am a tech guy so i like the specs.  i like a nice camera, but i dont really care too much. as long as it is not blurry and fast.
    the iphone bothers me in general. i mean they proect it as the best phone ever.  personally, my samsung focus can rock an iphone 4/4s hands down.  alot of this has to do with the efficency of the OS.  WP just rocks.
    i love when apples used the terms "we reinvented this or that for a smart phone"  one example is the facebook integrations.  Hello, WP7 had facebook and twitter.  way to finally catch up.
    Not to knock on my wife, but she was so giddy when i was watching the live blogs when they announced the phone. the problem with her is she like the simplicity of the iphone.  and it is just that.  she needs rows of icons, she needs the lack of custimzation.  the folders  on iphone are good, but i mean, its so...stale.  live tiles is so much cooler.  the gestures are cool for iphone.  But in the end if that is why your iphone is better, you need some new comparisons.
     
    maybe i am talking out of my ass an i have no clue what i am talking about. but to me, the iphone is so over rated.  give me a real phone.  like WP8
  • +1
     
    Also, you make a very important point about the price. The 920 HAS to come out at $199 (subsidized) or less. I don't see how Nokia can convince people to pay more than the iPhone 5's base subsidized price for something a lot of people aren't sure about.
  • $199 would be great, but given that it will have all of that innovative technology included in the device, not to mention the 32GB of on board storage, I think that $249 would be appropriate (albeit, not welcomed in this economy).
  • Nokia should definitely try to close the gap in weight (<150g) with its next version of Lumia.  That is the only thing iPhone 5 impresses me.  Merging the 808 Pureview specs with 920 on a Quad-Core processor would ensure the superiority.
  • While not magical by any means its impressive they managed similar specs to the Nokia 920 in about half the volume, which is impressive engineering. That said ios just looks dated to me. I would love an iPhone 5 with wp8 instead of ios. A high end thin and light phone with a 4" screen. Not everyone wants a giant screen. Do you think apple will release boot camp for iPhone?
  • Similar specs? Did you not read the article?
  • I did, and its a bit sensationalistic about small differences. For example, the two phones screens are both high quality IPS LCD screens. Nokia' is a bit higher resolution and a bit bigger. Monikers like "pureblack supermotion +" mean about as much as "retina" does. Pureblack refers to an antireflective polarizing filter over the screen, I'm sure the iPhone has an antireflective coating. Also puremotion plus just means a 60hz refresh rate which is pretty standard for any lcd display, its been the gpu that bottlenecks the framerate of devices. The cameras of the two are also similar, both have the same sensor size and megapixel count. The Nokia has a 1/2 stop advantage which is nice, and ois is a huge deal if you are taking photos of things that aren't moving, but the cameras aren't that different. I'm not saying the Nokia isn't better all around, but it's also way bigger and designing a compact phone with high end specs will result in compromises.
  • 60hz is most definitely not standard for Phone LCDs.
    And the only thing similar about the cameras IS the sensor. The Nokia camera is far better.
  • A couple of problems with what you said. I agree that the superior resolution won´t be very noticeable, but pureblack makes a great difference while outside in the sun. Weather or not the iphone has a antireflective filter over the screen or not, tests have shown that even the lumia 900 reflects considerably less light than any screen out there. Also don´t forget the fact the the 920 besides being much brighter than the iphone´s screen, will also automaticaly adjust its brightness to sunlight. The screen can also be used with gloves and fingernails and is considerably more resistant than the iphone´s. I might be mistaken but i´m pretty sure 60 hz is a first for smartphones. The biggest problem with your post however is thinking that the cameras are comparable when they are not. Nokia´s pureview camera, despite only slightly higher count of megapixels, is far superior to the 4s because it has optical image stabilization and superior software. The different will be very noticeable
  • 60hz is and has been standard for LCD displays in smartphones, but there is much more to a phones display then refresh rate, pixel ghosting can lead to a blurred look and it may well be that the Nokia 920 is much better in this regard then any phone on the market, but we don't know yet. My point was that you can't tell much about performance from specs, as nobody releases actual performance measurements on consumer devices so comparing two unreleased devices based on press releases is futile.
  • Ofcourse we all think the 920 beats the pants off of the iphone were all WP fans,,,but I'm sure iff you look at it from an apple and iphone fans perspective its the best thing since sliced bread. I can just picture the apple fans asking there friends,,,,"soooo when are you getting your 920 because I already preordered my iphone and its on its way".
  • Actually, the buzz is that a lot of folks are dissapointed. Watch the media over the next few days.
  • Remember the 4S was REALLY disappointing. Then Steve Jobs died the next day, and some of the tech press said Apple limited the improvements to announce it while he was alive. No such excuse for the iPhone 5. But regardless of what improvements it had, it still sold in the scores of millions. iPhone 5 will probably be the same.
  • Yes, the early bird gets the worm. No thanks, I prefer to wait for a full lunch.
  • The Lumia 920 reportedly will have GLONASS just like the 900. The chart is wrong
  • Do you have a link for that? I know the chipset supports it and Samsung has it but I can't find any documentation for the 920 that says it has it.
  • http://www.nokia.com/us-en/products/phone/lumia920/specifications/
    Navigation -> Positioning Features
  • +1
    I was just ready to post :)
  • It's been updated, thanks guys.
  • This is not the thinnest smartphone. What about the Oppo Finder phone with android ICS and only 6.6mm and huwawi Accend P1. Both are below the 7mm mark. Apple FAIL MARKETING
  • everyone will say "damn this phone is the best, it gets better every time, apple phones are the best phones" then I will say "did you here that from nokia, they made a phone that's better in the most ways than the iphone" then they will say "nokia? what do you want with that? the iphone has a retina display" me:"the nokia has a sharper display then the iPhone" them:"but it's no retina."
    but in 2 or 3 years nokia will be on top, when they've got more awesome devices like the 920 and more great features like maps, and their fu**ing cool design.
  • I don't know if non-geek Apple iSheep really use the Retina argument. Most of them don't even know what it is.
     
    Yeah, it's going to take a while.
  • If Nokia doesn't market the shit out of Lumia 920 before iPhone launch by showing that 920 is better, then Nokia and WP in general will have serious difficulties getting new users.
  • Better yet- Nokia and MS need to ramp up the completion of the Lumia's and get them to market - work 24/7 if need be, hell, ill come help to!
  • Why would they market a phone that's not even out yet?
  • Because this is a crucial period when majority of consumers start to look at new phones and given the fact that many people will look into iphone5, now is the time to strike showing that Lumia 920 is a superior phone
  • Lol!  Market what?  The device?  Well, they can't exactly do that at the moment given that the fire is just beginning to die down over the supposed 'faked' images.  And they can't market the image stabilization as it isn't finished yet.  And those things aside, what else can they market?  WP8?  Well, WP8 isn't finished yet, either.
     
    Yes, they need to market their offerings, but when their offerings are finished, fully backed, and soon to be available for purchasing (which we know won't be until WP8 is ready for launch).
  • Apple smart. Making little additions to keep "them" coming back for more. Why change what the masses want and love. They'll have plenty of ammunition for years while others will soon run out of trick, besides WP. Apple will never disappoint with the millions of its dedicated and uneducated user base.
  • Must. Get. AT&T. (T-Boringphones costumer)
  • I have the iPad and the HTC titan, making it the best of both worlds... I will skip the iPhone 5 ...
  • Very good assessment, Daniel! :) My thoughts exactly!
  • I was thinking the same exact thing...Just didn't get to the bottom to post it :)
  • Apple has made some really nice improvements to the iPhone 5, no question. I've had three iPhones now, and they have all performed flawlessly for me, so I can't complain. I also have an aversion to knocking products that other people seem to like, so I just wish everyone the best of luck with whatever phone they choose.
    I'm choosing the Lumia 920, cuz it is gorgeous, fresh, and I think will provide for an awesome experience. 
    So Nokia, please please please, give us a release date soon, so's I can decide which family member gets my 4s, and skeedaddle myself to the AT&T Store that very day.
    Why no Cyan Blue on release, only Nokia can say. But white'll be fine.
  • I feel the EXACT same way. My first smartphone was an iPhone 3gs and now that I'm on Android, I still use that phone as an iPod Touch (And it still works fantastically in spite of being 3 years old). The iPhone is a good product. But what impresses me about the WP and the Lumia line is that together they're showing me something different and exciting. Today's Apple press con was very underwhelming. Just basically reiterating that they're still rock stars of tech with sales numbers, and saying, "Oh, BTW, the new phone is coming out in two weeks and you should get it, because...ya know...rock stars over here."
  • so did Samsung already sue apple over LTE patents? :)
  • I am wondering about that too. I know Samsung hold patents on LTE. If i'm Samsung I will sue them and that will kill their iCrap phone for not having LTE.
  • Nice article.  The L920 wins in all respects IMO.  One thing worth mentioning as ar as wieght and thickness goes.  The L920 may be thicker and heavier then it's competetion but then it wont require the body armor most people will end up putting on thier phones.
  • One thing I found annoying about the iAnnouncement was inability to find a direct web cast. All I could find were a faces of commentators watching the event. (Sorry, sister site iMore, but yours was the worst. Don't plant your gaping-mouthed faces so close to your web cams.) Was there some kind of Apple restriction that only screen shots of the web cast could be posted on Twitter-like feeds? If so, at least Nokia had the testicular fortitude to let everyone see, even if their presentation skills are lacking.
  • Apple rarely does a livestream of their announcements. Last time I remember they allowed a video livestream but you needed to be using an Apple device (how fitting). That was about a year ago, I think.
  • Nokia is an over achiever, and today Nokia crushed Apple. It's a good day.
  • The iPhone 5 will no doubt be the no.1 smartphone worldwide. You can't stop the masses from picking what they know and are comfortable with.
    I, however, will go for Windows Phone. IMO the best software, now within undoubtedly the best hardware. My current WP7 suprises a lot of people in terms of functionality but hardware-wise the iPhone was better.
    That is gone now, Windows Phone closed the gap and even created a small new one. So that's one less reason to ignore Windows Phone. So not just a win for Lumia but a win for the entire platform.
  • Just read an article that said one of the great additions is that you can sign into Facebook from the settings and will never have to sign into the app to get notifications and your Facebook calendar will be linked to your calendar!!! What?!?!?! You going crazy over that?!?!?! One thing that Microsoft should be envious about is Apple can get away with everything and sell crappy sh*t whilst they can't.
  • The FB integration in ios 6 is way better than in WP. Facebook provided new private API calls for apple. You can activate/deactivate fb for ALL apps using it over the phone. No more need to sign in with a new app. That's way better than the WP Facebook integration where you have to manage your account in every single third party app again.
  • Can't wait to upgrade to the 920. The 800 has served me and continue to serve me well. Nokia is just way ahead. But they really need a good marketing strategy and shoot canons instead of bb guns.
  • I think the tech savy iPhone users are going to jump ship.  Macrumors.com's forums shows a ton of comments from users that are quite disappointed with this "iPhone spec bump", stating that they are going to pick up an S3  or Lumia 920 instead now.  This could be a great thing for Windows Phone. 
  • Macrumors people were disappointed when apple introduced the first iPod. The thread about it is still there: 'What just an ordinary mp3 player?'
  • It's not even a real contest. The latest iPhone is just garbage. And yet it'll probably still sell millions and there will no doubt be idiots camped out in front of stores for it.
  • Too bad we don't know when new Window Phone 8 devices, Windows Phone 8 software, or Windows Phone 7.8 will be released. 
  • I was more exited about the iPhone touch they announced. I think it will be a great gift for my son's 11th birthday.
     
    NL 920 beats not only iPhone 5 but even iPhone 6 anyday... 
  • wow, i just found out Lumia 920 is going to be thinner than my Lumia 800 ( 10.7 vs 12.1 ) and only a bit heavier than my 800, and heft to me actually means quality build :)
     
    so this essentially means that im going to get a thinner phone lol, iPhone 5 totally underwelming, going to be great getting the 920 and convincing people to join wp!
  • Do you guys believe this?  from KNowyourMobile.  Apple wins in screen display??? whaaa
      Display
    As was previously rumoured, the iPhone 5’s screen has expanded from the earlier models’ 3.5-inches to a full 4-inches, it’s not a huge leap, but it’s enough to make a difference in terms of visuals, usability and the overall look and feel of the device.
    The screen is an IPS LCD Retina and its resolution clocks in at 1136x640 pixels and with a pixel density of 326 pixels-per-inch (ppi).
    The Nokia Lumia 920 uses a 4.5-inch IPS display which can even be operated while wearing gloves.
    It has Corning Gorilla Glass, an improved version of Nokia’s ClearBlack technology to improve dark colours, blacks and contrast, and Nokia’s new PureMotion HD+ for supposedly ‘better than HD’ image quality with a faster refresh rate than conventional displays.
    The 920’s display has a 1280x768 pixel resolution and a pixel density of 332ppi.
    Both handsets are on the cutting edge of mobile display tech, but we think Apple may just have the advantage here.
    Regardless, we doubt many users will be disappointed by Nokia’s display if they find it placed alongside the iPhone 5’s.
    Winner – iPhone 5
  • um... ok.... how the hell did they end up with that conclusion after listing the spec of Nokia's PureMotion HD+??? someone is drinking on the job again...
  • What the.... How... (lost for words)
  • I have come to the conclusion that these guys don't let facts get in the way of their opinion.
  • Should be called "Don'tKnowYourMobile"  LMAO
  • And you can see here: http://www.knowyourmobile.com/comparisons/1586078/iphone_5_vs_nokia_lumia_920.html
  • I haven't seen the screens side by side but there is way more to a screen then it's published specs. I'm not sure if this site actually measured things like color rendition and accuracy though, so im not sure why they even said that
  • Smoked by L920....love it!
  • And this one from the same site..  Apple wins with its 8MP vs 8.7MP purview camera??  Whaaaa?? Camera
    The Lumia 920 is the first Windows Phone device to sport Nokia’s Pureview label, but it’s not a direct import of the 41-megapixel oversampling camera tech we saw on the Symbian-powered 808 Pureview earlier in the year.
    No, instead what we have is an 8-megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss optics and a large aperture.
    Nokia says it’s designed to allow in as much light as possible and the company has paired this with some advanced stabilisation technology to ensure high-quality imaging isn’t compromised. It also sports a dual LED flash and 1080p video capture.
    The iPhone 5 features an 8-megapixel camera with Panoramam mode. it also includes the Sapphire lens which goes some way to improve pictures. Around the front, there's a camera from Facetime HD which can now be streamed over cellular data.
    Winner: iPhone 5
     
     
  • Boggled, mind... Um... Ugh...
    Daniel said it best in the article, "bullshit"
  • Shows you how diluted people can get to tech media. And anything Apple puts out.
  • Gorilla Glass 2?
    Where did this information come from? I check on Nokia website under display features and no mentioned of GG v2
    http://www.nokia.com/us-en/products/phone/lumia920/specifications/
     
    Even on Corning's website no mention of GGv@
    http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/products-with-gorilla/nokia
     
    Can someone point me to alternative sources to put my weary mind at ease :-)
  • The media makes the iPhone seem like a REVOLUTIONARY product .. always did.
    The 920, is one of the best phones in the market.
    iPhone lost its touch, and it's no longer the phone that it was before.
    It's so boring. I say that, because I have an iPod Touch 4th Generation, and my mom and sister has the 4s.
    I want the 920 thou !
    The only thing that pisses me off, is how Nokia never announced a release date =/
    I guess I have to wait on that one.
  • I read that first part as, "You can get all the details from our dirty sister site..." hahaha
  • +1
  • Steve Jobs has left the building.
  • And the planet.
  • Well...  Apple has spoken.  Now the masses will decide that they don't need new features and they just want a slim phone for the next couple years.  :p
  • Made of aluminum and GLASS.. Glass, I read that in another article, And it won't be thin when people put cases on them. LIKE ALWAYS.. Nokia wins in that department too, I've heard they're sturdy phones. Oh wait depending on which website you read iPhone wins by default.
  • on a different site they said the new ipod colors are so amazing and nokia was copying it.. Helloo? with the first series of the lumias they did colors to smartphone that are awesome and the second generation is amazing too and i was saying he guys the colors looks very like the new lumia line.. so they said oh come nokia copied it aplle hat patents for it,,! so i said nokia has also patents for it .. so they said nokia is bullshit becaus apple has worldwide lte and i said nokia either. and then they said noithing more.. simply without words
  • Site name?
  • iPods in different colours came out in early-to-mid 2000's. Nokia may have had coloured phones back then too, but you definitely can't say Apple copied the Lumia
  • I figured Apple would have about 2years worth of new stuff that Steve Jobs left them...they're Blowing it sooner than expected.
  • I am really surprised that the iPhone 5 came in with JUST a 4" screen. The specs look good but to echo what others have said, other than the thin spec, it's been surpassed already. Nokia has really nailed the 920, though we don't know pricing and availability yet, do we. The camera can't be beat, wireless charging is unmatched in ease of use and WP7/8 is consistently smooth. I know which will be my next phone, and it’s not the iPhone 5. Thanks Nokia.
  • this iphone just makes me want my new red 920 that much more. that being said I am sure apple will sell millions of em.
  • oh i forgot to say the iphone 5 body looks good nothing really new with aluminium and glass only but who cares about it because when its dropped to the ground iphone always broken or thick sretches in it and so scretchless unibody is more worth. so the iphone all cost for a phone so 180$ and a lumia 900 costs for all so 310$ i wonder how much is the difference between 920 and iphone because iphone is always too expensive!
  •  
    I like this blog a lot. But i can't read this article without taking it as an attack at Apple with a hint of fanboyism. Be it for the company I root for or against it, I don't like fanboys. And you could have just pointed things out, highlighting what's better (and what's worse) on the 920 without angry comments at Apple's way of saying things. "Most advanced", "better", and the like are things that Apple likes to say to "brainwash", if I may, the audience. Like we usually say where I'm from, to throw the clay to the wall and see if it sticks.
    The Lumia 920 is the most interesting device announced this week, you _can_ and you _should_ point that out, bit by bit, but this... This was unnecessary.
    I apologize for my criticism.
  • While I choose to take the civilized approach, I have to ask you sir, have you ever visited CNET, ENGADGET, THE VERGE, etc? If so, you should read the forums concerning windows, WP7, WP8, etc and see how the slader an attack anything windows. Did you ever think that Daniel get a lot of flack from his cohorts at iphone central, imore, and all the other places? There's two sides to every story no matter which route you choose to take. Walk a day in his shoes before you convict him; He did state the iphone is good, but maybe not the best for everyone.
  • I understand that. And believe me, I also wanted to rub a nice and way more interesting Lumia 920 on Apple's face right then, but If I were to write an article on a website like WPcentral, I would let it wear off first.
    And no, I don't expect the same level of fanboyism from WPcentral's writers I expect from Engadget's or CNET's or whatever.
    I completely agree with Daniel on every damn word he wrote, and I'm not understating him as a writer, on the contrary. What I'm saying is that he should've steamed down a little before writing this article.
  • I am an Apple fan but this is normal. You are on a Windows Phone site and people will be rooting for a Windows Phone. Be glad that WPCentral is really fair with their articles compared to WMPoweruser.com but still view it from a Windows Phone user's point of view.
  • I'm a Windows Phone fan myself. What I don't think is necessary is this kind of... Let's call it, emotion, when writing an article like this. This is what make a blog lose it's credibility. And I sincerely hope WPcentral doesn't get to that.
  • Samsung just sued Apple for use of 4G LTE - Samsung owns many of the LTE patents. I hope Apple has to pull all devices before they hit the market =)
  • Wouldn't you rather want Windows Phone devices to beat the iPhone when it is on the market? Sounds really cowardly.
  • I didn't see Windows Phone mentioned in his comment. Please stick to the facts.
  • I'm sorry but what site are we on? Is it not a Windows Phone site with an article saying why the Lumia 920 beats the iPhone 5?
  • Let apple have their fun and sell their 6 year old desgin... iOS 6 is nothing new, just a sea of iCons (just incase it's copyrighted, I dont want to get sued)..
     
    But, to be honest with you, that would be really funny...
  • I'm going to buy the iPhone 5 on my sprint employee line and sell it to fund the purchase of a lumia 920.
  • I couldn't have put it better myself. Well maybe, but I was too busy sleeping through the iPhone announcement.
  • Is it just me or I apple going to get a lawsuit from Nokia!? Apples new ipod looks like a lumia?
  • Lumia 920 just destroyed the i5 and you did as well in this article good sir :-)
  • Apparently you have tried both devices since you clearly states that the 920 is better? Why dont you rename the site to wpfanboy.com? Cant we just be happy that we finally will get a really nice WP phone? Is it really needed to talk down the iPhone in such unfair way, only to make all the unsecure fan boys here feel good? You dont know about the iPhone CPU and GPU yet, which probably will be quite powerfull. And until recently it was forbidden to talk about specs here. "Why would you have a dual core in a phone?" "HD displays is for TVs" etc... Just because WP now will get some decent specs it is all that matters? Unbelivable. I think both will be great phones, but since the iPhone is yet to be released and WP8 isnt even finished yet, it is kind of hard to tell which will deliver the BEST EXPERIENCE, right?
  • You have some good points but I don't think anyone is being unfair here. I am an iPhone user but the article is good and keeps its point of view from an Windows Phone user while at least still agreeing that the iPhone does have good features. You won't find many fair sites like this.
  • Daniel, how much longer do you think the hype with ipods/ipod nanos will remain? And do you thing the can sustain profitablity when your cell phone can perform the same duties? I personally use my cell for calls/internet/music/turn-by-turn (Nokia Drive), etc. I personally find it hard to beleive ifan have decided they can use their cell for double/triple duty and save money
  • Clearly it's winding down. But since Apple owns that entire market, it's their's to bleed. It's about their service anyway.
  • Daniel answered it perfectly. I have a 160GB iPod Classic, and there's absolutely no reason for them to keep making it except they have no competition so every sale is pure profit (no marketing, etc). Same with the iPod Touch.
  • The only thing that interest me was "Passbook" app. Nokia & Microsoft needs to get together and make a similar app for Windows Phone. Huge $$$ potential. I can also decrease my wallet size in half.
  • WP8 has a wallet hub that far surpasses Passbook.
  • I see. Nokia should've highlighted this feature.
  • It's not nokia's, it's Microsoft's, and it was highlighted at the wp8 thing
  • Fantastic article, Dan! Bravo!
  • Lol! Engadget Is blowing up right now! I see many are looking for the Lumia 920 now! Thank you apple! You may have helped Nokia today.
  • Apple fan here! Don't hate please. First of, I wanna say I really like reading WPCentral. Unlike the guys at some other blog (wmpoweruser.com) you guys keep your comparisons fair but still from a point of a Windows Phone user. Over there you would never find a "Where Apple wins" section. I salute you for that!
    Now I just want to comment on a few things from my perspective. Just so you know, I do have experience with Windows Phone and I own and have use my Lumia 800 plenty of times.
    Now regarding the "Where Apple loses" part:
    - NFC isn't a big deal yet. There won't too many areas where you can use it as far as I know (I may be mistaken) but certainly here in Europe I have never seen any place where I can use and apply NFC. Cool that the Lumia 920 has it but consumers won't say that they aren't going to buy the iPhone 5 because it doesn't have NFC. Also, I don't know how well this works since the when Nokia demoed it in NY it failed miserably when trying to connect to the speakers. 
    - Wireless charging is cool, yes. I'd love it if the iPhone had it but there have been accesories for various devices for wireless charing but I don't think they have been a success. Okay this isn't a fair comparison because these accessories always added bulk to the device. So yeah I agree that this is where the Lumia 920 wins.
    - OIS seemed to work really well on the Lumia 920 and the camera will definitely beat the iPhone 5's. But hey, the iPhone still takes gorgeous pictures and the stabilization is not bad. It is not as good as the 920's. What should also be considered is that Nokia has worked on PureView for 5 years so it is no suprise that the camera is more advanced. Nokia has a headstart on camera technology, just like Apple had a a headstart in the smartphone market.
    - Super sensitive touch is defintiely awesome. I do wish I could use my gloves and iPhone in the winter! I think the iPhone would look like shit if it was available in the same colours as the Lumia devices (which all look nice in the different colours). Still, Apple's black & white iPhone are gorgeous nevertheless.
    - The iPhone PPI is 326! yes it may be lower than the Lumia 920's but honestly, you will NEVER be able to see the difference. At a PPI of 326 you CANNOT see a single pixel!
    But most importantly, the Lumia 920 is not ready. It will go on sale after the iPhone. Many people will have bought the iPhone by then. Of course people who really want the Lumia 920 will buy it. But Apple does have an advantage here. 
    The Lumia 920 has great specifications, but specifications are not what wins market share. I love Windows Phone and the Lumia 920 is a gorgeous device, but until Windows Phone 8 is ready and the Lumia 920 goes on sale, it may be too late to beat the iPhone.
  • NFC is not just about payments. You can share data over NFC like contacts, photos, etc. and connect devices to play games together through NFC. You can stream music over NFC (like the speaker that they showed with the 920) . The list goes on.
  • I know that it isn't just about payments. Don't you think that there are many better ways sharing contacts, photos, etc. than via NFC? If I want to share a contact I just send the other person a message with the contact card and the other person can easily add it. For those things the physical contact is really not needed. 
    I can stream music with my iPhone to speakers without NFC and without even having to be near my speakers (AirPlay). The big thing are payments. And give me the list.
  • And you can sync you iPhone to those speakers wirelessly and without opening an app or settings? That's what NFC does, it's "tap and you're connected." no fiddling with Bluetooth settings, searching for available connections, pressing buttons and accepting connections. Tap and play, while it's charging, without wires. That's just sexy.
  • You double tap the home button, and select a speaker. You can have speakers everywhere in your house and select where to play music to.
  • NFC is quite common... Credit card companies are rolling out NFC cards (i.e. Tap-and-go), and public transport has used it for year in numerous countries (i.e. Oyster card in London). Imagine storing all of that on your phone and never needing to carry around a bunch of cards. I have 4 I can replace at the moment.
  • Hey has anybody noticed this?
    I think I read somewhere today that the iPhone camera's resolution is 3264 x 2448 pixels... which is the same as the Galaxy S3 and the Lumia 920. Both the iPhone 5 and Galaxy S3 are described as having an "8MP camera" while the Lumia's is "8.7MP". 
    Is there something I'm missing here? 3264 times 2448 = 7.99 million. Is Nokia's website wrong about the Lumia 920's camera resolution? Or is this something to do with PureView... ?
  • Interesting point. I think it's more of a marketing thing but Nokia really doesn't need that with their great camera.
  • Of course. It's not a big difference and the PureView stuff is clearly more important, I'm just trying to figure out the math so I can have one more reason to talk up the 920
  • I was wondering this too. Perhaps the data collector just made a mistake? Either way, it needs to be explained.
  • http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/1824212/data/2/-/Download-pureview-820.pdf
    read this... might explain things a bit...
    From what I understand, you won't be able to take an actual 8.7mp photo, (in the same way you can't take a 41mp photo on the Pureview 808 - 38mp is the maximum). The sensor is deliborately oversized to give a true 16:9 or 4:3 ratio picture, rather than the cropped affair you get from most other phone cameras.
    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. :)
  • you are tottaly correct ... even NOKIA N9 and the Lumia 800 have the 8.7 MP cameras for true 16:9 mode... not sure about the 900 but it may also be the same
  • Apple had a better presentation than Nokia. Nokia had the better phone.
    How does Apple get away with a proprietary connector? and now another version of it. That alone is reason enough for me to avoid an iphone (and I had a 3gs prior to owning a Palm Pre)
    micro-usb and wireless charging please
  • I know, I was thinking they would go with a standard....Yep it's Apple a company who forces people to have 2 chargers in each car, One for the iphone and one for a real phone...
     
    Ugh...
  • For me, I don't really care about the weight of a phone, and I think the thinness of the iPhone 5 is too thin, I expect it to feel weak as a result.
    It's a little harsh to criticise Apple for not having inductive charging etc though, as these are not standard by any means. We already knew it was not going to be as good as the Lumia 920...
  • Regarding wireless charging "as these are not standard by any means." Sure there's a standard. It's called 'Qi' and it's a standard just like USB. Nokia uses it.
  • Good job Daniel, if a smart person lines the specs side by side its obvious which phone comes out on top. Its just to bad that most of the WP critics have never picked up a Windows Phone. Keep up the good work Daniel.
  • To be honeat,is the 920 really such a wow? For WP users it is but outside this world? Sure, the display looks really good. But... Innovations? Wireless charging? Palm had it, Samsung GS3 has it and no one seems to care.
    Still same design as the old N9 Meego device?
    Hardware thats been around for a while in Android phones? Same goes for NFC.
    A probably fine camera but not the best smartphone camera. I have a hard time to find all the innovations you talk about...
  • PureMotion HD+ with a 60Hz refresh Super sensitive touch so you can wear gloves OIS hasn't been done on a camerphone Dual-layer polarization for the display Unibody polycarbonate design and pure-white color Software - CinemaGraph (combines still pics with motion) & SmartShoot (removes moving objects automatically) There you go. All firsts. All signs of innovation.
  • I think the rotary phone suit you well.
  • To be honest, yes. Yes it is. The only gap in the 920 is the absence of a microsd slot.
  • Live Tiles-something iOS will never have..
  • Its funny to me that the thinner the phone get, the thicker the armor. What's the point if I'm afraid to show off my new gadget because "it's thinner." Yea, give me the thicker heavier but sturdier phone, that way I can show off the cool colors and even have it stand up on its own two (literally). I love when people realize that the cyan on my Lumia is not the casing, but the phone itself, then i stand it up to showoff the one of a kind design
  • +1
  • I honnestly wouldn't even use the wireless charging even if my phone did have it because I like to use my phone while its charging.
  • That is actually a really good point. I'm sure you can still charge the Lumia 920 with a cable though can't you? I don't think it'd be good if you couldn't..
  • You can still charge with a cable.
     
  • I believe the phone comes with a standard cable charger. The wireless charger is an accessory.
  • LUMIA 920.....BE MINE!!!
  • Daniel you forgot to compare the maps.. Which was prob the biggest upgrade to their os... Which is really sad, i wanna know where these 200+ features are
  • And it will still sell 10 million units in 10 days.
  • Jim Beam still sells more Scotch Whiskey than Laphroaig. But I can tell you which one is better ;-)
  • Jim Beam sells bourbon, not scotch :)
    But I completely agree that this is basically a six month old phone. But specs matter very little to sales. 
  • Reminds me of a fight I once saw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv4mRPBeL6Q
     
    With out Jobs Apple is done.  My money is on the fact the no way in hell would Jobs have put out this version of the iPhone and did you see the "Nano"....it's larger.  LOL
     
  •  
     
    First, and most importantly, thank you for another fantastic article.  While Nokia may not have put on a "WOW" showing last week as far as presenters the tech surely was a 9.2 on the Wowza scale (look it up).  In fact, while I sat there reading all the mind blowing advances Apple has been able to make with the iPhone 5/iOS 6 combo the more I realized how technically beautiful the Lumia 920 is and how Apple is now pilfering WP functionality.  It's humorous if not a little frustrating that the lamestream media and iPhans will see this as another instance where Apple is advancing the industry by leaps and bounds.
    If Nokia, or any other OEM, rereleased one of their earliest smartphones I'm pretty sure they would have no problem touting thinnest and lightest as well.  It's one of the inevitable truths when it comes to the tech world that as weeks, months, and years go by the technology becomes smaller.
    In any case, I wanted to leave you all with something that I had to post on Facebook, which is getting a lot of "likes" from my friends who own and love the iPhone... I should warn you they aren't the brightest as I am essentially calling them out:  “Is anyone else super excited for the new iPhone 5, iPhone 4Ss, iPhone 4 rehash 3.0… I mean Lumia 920!”
    Just a quick aside, after reading a lot of comments over the last week, I see a lot of people feeling indifferent about the Qi wireless charging.  Nokia, if you're reading this, throw Bluetooth into one of those charging plates for those who would normally plug into their computer for wireless charging and wireless data syncing.  I know with cloud storage it's not a huge sales point but I do know for some it would be nice. 
  • Your comment really already becomes irrelevant by implying that iPhone users "aren't the brightest". If you have to say something then say it without offending anyone.
  • Sorry if I've offended you iMaddin.  No, not all iPhone users are followers and I'm sure most can read into the sarcasm.  I just found it to be a funny observation that I wanted to share.
  • To be fair, he said his "friends who own and love the iPhone" "aren't the brightest" not all iPhone owners or fans. Maybe all his friends are dumb, and he was just clarifying which group of his dumb friends. :)
  • I just wish the 920 could be a little thinner, then I would be excited about it. Because it's so big I'm thinking about the ativ..
  • iPhone 5 just got smoked by a Nokia Lumia 920 ;D
  • No matter what we say... The iDrones won't will line up for miles cause the shine new fruit is out and your not cool if you don't have one. The 920 could have renewable power, and be the only green powered phone. It won't matter cause its not from the fruit company ;)
  • If Nokia can somehow release there phones mid October, that could help them.
  • Daniel! It should also be noted that Europe's primary 4g frequencies will not be supported in the iPhone 5, just like with iPad 3. No 4g support in most of Europe is a HUGE minus.
  • I could not believe what I saw today, and this is the new iPhone ??? LOL
     
    Talk about a major disapointment. Anyone who knows my posts would know I am a WP fan, no question but, I always looked at Apple to see new tech. This is just a 4S streched and flattened a little with a feature that EVERY modern phone is coming with now (LTE).
     
    NFC ? No, Wireless Charging ? NO.... anything new and different from EVERY other phone out there ? NOPE...
     
    it's a joke in my eyes,,,
     
  • Look at my post before yours. Iphone 5 does not have 4g in most of Europe.
  • Great article, put it so succintly!
     
    I say Daniel for President!
  • Its not able the specs, Apple wins because of the infrastructure in place. It just all works together...Iphone, ipod to airPlay to TV, to the store, to iTune it just all works.
     
    Yes I have WP7, yes I will be staying with it. Why I can get achievements on it thats the big draw for me as a Xbox gamer.. They need to make more of this..
     
    As a phone, WP7/WP8 devices do what i want - they make a call, can send a text, access facebook etc thats a phone..BUT i also get to play games and intergrate into Xbox live..Thats the winner here for me.
     
     
  • Apple has the right idea with keeping the phone sensibly sized for easy one-hand use. I've had my Lumia 900 since launch day and I love it, but the one thing that bugs me consistently is the size of the thing. It's just not comfortable to use one-handed without feeling like you're going to drop it, it's a bit bulky in the pocket too.
    The Android world has gone insane with these stupidly large screens and it seems we're all along for the ride. Does anyone else even miss the the idea of a phone that actually fits in the palm of your hand and that you barely notice in your pocket?
    When Nokia makes a true replacement for the Lumia 800, that is around that SIZE but without some huge spec penalty like a 800x400 screen, that will be my next phone.
    Until then, I'll stick with my L900. The L920 gets a pass from me. I don't want a phone that big next time and I definitely don't want a GLOSSY finish.
  • I use my Titan II (4.7") with one hand, but just barely :) Then again, I'm 6' tall so I can see how it would be an issue... 
    but the bigger screen is definitely nice for web browsing. I watch netflix and read Kindle books on it sometimes too... can't imagine doing that on my old iPhone 3GS
  • Lumia 920 vs iPhone 6. iPhone 5 is history.
  • "This is the world's most advanced display and I couldn't be prouder of it." If I was in the audience..... "PURE MOTION HD+!!!!!!!!!" And I would walk out with a large grin on my face. :D
  • Wow, 214 comments
    anyway to me a thinner phone is useless If you're gonna buy armor to cover it up, so yea give me a thicker heavier but sturdier phone so I can showoff the cool color and don't have worry about my phone breaking into pieces when it falls on concrete, plus I love when people realize that the cyan on my Lumia isn't a case but the actual phone
  • I'm no iPhone hater. I'm not a fan of Apple culture.  Most of the people that use the phones don't know of what else is out there, and those that state they tried another product (usually a low - mid range Android phone) say the iPhone is so much better. I rarely find someone that has used a high end Android or Windows Phone 7.5 that say that. Those that I personally know that left Windows Phone did so because of lack of apps. They never stated that the phone was an issue. Again, suckered by the more is better. I've stated this before on the forums, but I used to carry around like 170+ apps on my Android phones  but why? I never used most of them. It's a shame that's a factor for people.
    My Lumia 900 has been rock solid, dropped on the gun range many times with no marks, very fluid and quick, and reliable with great call quality, screen in bright sunlight, and it's just different from everyone elses' phones. The 920 will only improve on an already great device and I'll be lined up with my $600+ to get my next one. The sheeple can have their 'like everyone else's' device. I'm an individual and I choose Windows Phone every time.
  • iam really sick of it to hear that the 920 is the same old design as N9.. the iphone exactly the same since 2007 nothing really changed. and also yeah the iphone si very thin but glass and aluminium will break easily and get even scratches easily! what do you then sure yoa are buying a cover or something but with that it destroys the design because nobody sees it and also the thinnes of the phone is gone with a cover. At least 50 of my friends uses iphones and  at least 40% of them have to repair because of something and then even more than once i never ever had a broken nokia phone since i use since 2002 and why because the materials are not cheap like th iphones producitons cost of the iphone include al others cost way lower than on the lumia 900 but the price is almost double so high.
    iphone is a very good phone but it tont deserve such high prices!
  • iam really sick of it to hear that the 920 is the same old design as N9.. the iphone exactly the same since 2007 nothing really changed. and also yeah the iphone si very thin but glass and aluminium will break easily and get even scratches easily! what do you then sure yoa are buying a cover or something but with that it destroys the design because nobody sees it and also the thinnes of the phone is gone with a cover. At least 50 of my friends uses iphones and  at least 40% of them have to repair because of something and then even more than once i never ever had a broken nokia phone since i use since 2002 and why because the materials are not cheap like th iphones producitons cost of the iphone include al others cost way lower than on the lumia 900 but the price is almost double so high.
    iphone is a very good phone but it tont deserve such high prices!
  • Fun parody of Apple's announcement
    http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6823327/apple-coasting-keynote-with-ch...
  • I loved the "One more thing..." part :)
  • Regarding the camera: most people will like the iPhone pictures more simply because Nokia fails with the post processing. Apple puts in lots of vivid (increased contrast and saturation) while Nokia makes the pictures look more natural. Though most people like the vivid pictures more.
  • Harika!!!! Translation: excellent as in excellent article!!! Well said. Every dog has its day. iPhone, while a good product, just doesn't excite any longer... Time for a breathe of fresh air.. Move on in Lumia!!! Even HTC & Samsung is failing to excite with rehashed designs from Android platforms. This is your time Nokia. Time to rise from the ashes...
  • The thing that irked me about the Nokia presentation is the fact that they could not tell us when the phones will be available nor which carriers will have them.  I can order an iPhone this Friday.  I have no clue how long I'll have to wait for the new Lumia, not to mention whether or not it will be available on my carrier.  These are key pieces of information that they should have provided.
  • No contest. But sheep will be sheep.
  • Would have thought Apple would revamp the iOS UI at least, actually very surprised.
  • By far the biggest problem for me is the date. Why is MS waiting until November? I just don't get what is wrong with them. I want to support Windows Phone so bad but they are making it so hard to wait. 2 months? 
    They were late to the game to begin with, came out with decent but lacking first round, improved with 7.5 and now going to be super late to party again? 
    They don't need Windows 8 to be out to release Windows Phone 8. It is just a huge failure on their point.
    One thing they most definitely need to learn from Apple is --- Never hold a media event that doesn't include pricing, release date and production models. This is why Apple marketing kills it so well. 
  • is it just me or is the tech media not drooling over this as much as usual?! most are underwhelmed and I think we may find they not gonna have their usual millions pre-ordering it.....
     
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    Good for Apple that their iPhone 5 will be taken at least seriously this year as they're catching on with many features but it is really unorginal after two years and speaking of looking old you can add iOS 6 update to that statement which makes it a pretty boring keynote. Don't worry next year it'll be AGAIN the same iPhone with 10mp camera :-) so it's all downhill from now on.   
  • IPhone 5 = LAME
  • And despite all the spec comparisons in the world it will still outsell the 920 by a long shot. You know it and I know it. Every time there's been a new iPhone announcement in the last few years just about every tech blog has proclaimed it iterative and predicted it would be the end of Apple's dominance. And not once have they been correct. Just more whistling past the graveyard....
  • For all of those that say screen,camera and the rest don't matter. They say that because their lame phone will have them
  • You're absolutely right. Apple is just for kids who need to do nothing more than recognize a brand.
  • The Lumia 920 crushed the iPhone 5, Gangnam style.
  • I know this is a WP site, but hot damn.... the 920 really did crush the iPhone 5.
  • Great article Daniel!
  • Nokia really rocks....:)
  • Ok MS, now it's your turn. Nokia has the hardware, all we need is the software and apps. Don't drop the ball now. Apple is asleep at the wheel. ;)
  • Agree
  • IPhone 5 big screen w faster this, better that but ios is sure looking old and booorrriinng!
    So glad to I'm looking forward to the 920, I'll keep my iPhone 4 till instagram and interest arrive in windows marketplace. Love my 900
  • Never going back to ios, marrying metro os and keeping android as a mistress :D
  • +1
  • Nokia Lumia 920 FTW!
  • I still don't get how apple got away with that new connector. That alone would be a dealbreaker for me if I wanted to buy an iphone5. And apple wants $29 for one adapter? Over my dead wallet... Apple can fool their isheep, but not me.
  • Daniel, I am envy with you with all of your big boys toys! Simply, Lumia 920 brings back my lost love of Nokia since childhood! Yeah, iSheep and their iPhone are completely bullshit and blind! :D
  • What's surprising is that the Lumia 920 trounces the iPhone 5 in almost every possible way imaginable. It's been a fun day reading all the iSheeps comments across the internet, trying to convince themselves as to why they don't need NFC, wireless charging, or how it's perfectly ok to take off your gloves in a blizzard to use your phone. lmao.
  • Did everyone not know that Apple invented LTE today or that they invented voice guided GPS today or that they invented panoramic stitching today?  No matter that we've all had these features for months now. No one brings up that Apple really badmouthed LTE...until now when they're ready to take money for including it as a feature.  NOW they are saying that NFC isn't what consumers want and wireless charging is "confusing".  That's until NEXT year when they'll come running for the money again and people will think that Apple invented these things.  This time though, they'll be late since I think with Android and WP8 on the NFC bandwagon that things will pick up rather quickly after the holidays with that technology.  Apple will clearly be playing catch up again in 12 months. I get to write way more here than I do on Twitter, but sometimes forced brevity says what I really want to say better than an essay.  These are my two favorite Tweets that I wrote today: 1.  I think even Siri yawned at #iPhone5
    2.  Apple served up #iPhone5 with loads of "CatchUp"
    I'm looking at a 920 in white.  I considered the red because it is bold and stands out, but I wonder if I'll tire of that color, especially when it will limit what colors I'll want to use for my tiles.  I really want that NFC/Wireless Charging speaker thing and one of those pillow things.  I'd love the pillow thing to be leather or black so it will look good permanently in my living room.
  • I wonder if you gotta hold the iPhone5 a certain way to get a strong signal.
  • I'll just leave this here: http://m.ak.fbcdn.net/a1.sphotos.ak/hphotos-ak-ash4/423864_442548879117943_1845172147_n.jpg
  • Top article hopefully WP8 and Nokia do have improved sales - can't wait to get my 920!
  • The 920's display may work with the gloves on but they took them off to hit the iClone5 square in the jaw.
    I will take a unlocked 920 FTW!
  • The iPhone 5 is ugly.
  • So basically Apple put out a slightly updated iPhone 4S with a new connector and called it the iPhone 5. Great business move! They will make lots of money off of the fanboys that run out and buy it then have to buy all new docks and cradles and connectors and chargers.
  • The Lumia 920 is a better phone in every aspect. People will see. The marketing will come! This is it,the whole picture of windows is painted. A storm is coming!
  • The iPhone 5 has gained popularity despite all the negative talk. See http://bit.ly/O1xlbn
     
  • I think it should be pointed out that the S3 has a Quad-Core CPU in the international version.
  •  
    They both good devices. However, the Lumia 920 is a better phone. Heck, it's better than the Galaxy S3. The problem is your "review" is too biased. You can make an objective case by mentioning the camera superiority,  NFC capability, exclusive Nokia apps, better integration of social networks (thanks to WP8), MSFT Office (also thanks to WP8)... 
    We know the S4 is excellent. We don't anything about the A6 yet.
    The Nokia Lumia doesn't win the EXCITEMENT battle, so stop saying they do.  That is THE ONE THING apple does better than anybody else. To say they lost on excitement is just ridiculous!
    If you make an objective case, those who know will agree and those don't know will see the light.
  • The is NOT the thinnest phone out there.
    There are two phones that already beat the iPhone 5. These being the Motorola Razr XT910 7.1mm and the Huawei Ascend P1s 6.7mm
  • The Lumia 920 is a great device as is the iPhone 5, but lets be honest, and I am a Microsoft fan, but they are a joke when it comes to marketing, and mobile OS in general.  Lets' make an announcement 2 months in a advance to beat apples announcement???? Good job dumb asses.  Everyone already forgot about the Lumia and is onto the iPhone that they can actually get.  I would have went with Windows phone if Microsoft could get there shit together.
  • Apple user here, I'm from México. And 4 months ago, I bought a Lumia 800, I told myself , let's give it a try. And I can say, I don't regret buying my Lumia, I'm really pleased to have it. I hope Microsoft keep it up bringing us the best user expierence. The change from iOS to WP7 was really hard, trying to find my daily apps on Marketplace. But the truth is, that WP is a pretty good looking, working iOS.
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4
    Thats so dam funny :P
  • The iPhone suckage continues.  No voice and data on Verizon and Sprint and even on AT&T, no LTE while talking. http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/9/13/3328492/iphone-5-simultaneous-voice-data-verizon-sprint?utm_source=loopinsight.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+loopinsight%252FKqJb+%2528The+Loop%2529
  • no single word about OS comaparison. Have you ever seen Cydia loading or used iOS appz, miles away from windows phone
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  • Cool story bought an iPhone.
  • My friend loves the lumia actually. It has good features though and efficient software. - Brenda  Lee Reed
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