Microsoft responds in detail to Google’s blocking of YouTube; cites HTML5 and unfair treatment

Last night, Windows Phone Central broke the news about the new Microsoft branded YouTube app essentially breaking. We investigated the problem and concluded that it was due to a revoked developer key. Such a scenario could only happen if Microsoft forgot to update it or if Google yanked it.

That latter situation implies that Google did not authorize the app and was taking direct action of their own by disabling the video player on all Windows Phones. Indeed, just a few hours ago this was confirmed when Microsoft said as much in a note to the press.

Now, David Howard, Corporate Vice President & Deputy General Counsel at Microsoft, has taken to TechNet, Microsoft’s blog on legal and public policy. Needless to say, the nearly 1000 word statement is chock full of information and more details on the matter, making an excellent read.

HTML5, branding and unfair requests

Presenting Microsoft’s side, which of course is expected to be biased towards themselves, Howard finally gives the details behind the current situation with Google.

It’s noted that for a few years now, Microsoft has been striving for a comparable YouTube experience that is found on the iPhone and Android—something for which we see as reasonable. Redmond reiterated that claim earlier this year soon after Windows Phone 8 launched. Google, however, was reportedly not willing to share certain data with Microsoft on to make that happen. As a result, up until April 2013, Microsoft had a much inferior YouTube experience.

This past spring, Microsoft released their version of a YouTube app and it was very well received by the community. However, Google took issue with it and asked that it be removed. Microsoft obliged with the condition that they can work with Google to release an app of comparative performance with their competitors (iOS and Android).

Microsoft agreed to Google’s terms and in version 3.2 of the YouTube app, released earlier this week, they had enabled Google’s advertisements, disabled video downloads and eliminated the ability for users to view reserved videos.

But there was evidently one more thing Google wanted: the app to be coded in HTML5.

"It seems to us that Google’s reasons for blocking our app are manufactured so that we can’t give our users the same experience Android and iPhone users are getting. The roadblocks Google has set up are impossible to overcome, and they know it." - David HowardCorporate Vice President & Deputy General Counsel, Microsoft

Microsoft notes that this was an unusual request since iOS and Android are currently not encoded in HTML5 and moreover, after investigating whether it could be done both companies agreed that making an HTML5 app would be technically difficult and time consuming (and perhaps that was Google’s intent).

This was the breaking point as Microsoft decided to release the non-HTML5 version of the app with the intention of returning to the matter later with Google.

Other lingering issues

Other problems that Google cites are ads “based on conditions imposed by content creators” aren’t always displayed. Microsoft claims that they need more data for this, something for which Google reportedly won’t share.

Finally, Google evidently now has a problem with the branding i.e. it seems like an official Google app when it’s made by Microsoft. Another reason is that according to Google, this new app provides a “degraded experience”, something for which most users have not objected too, making it vacuous.

Where to next?

It is clear Microsoft is ratcheting up the PR war by releasing this statement. From their perspective, Google has set prejudicial requirements for Windows Phone that iOS and Android are not obliged to meet. To that end, especially the request for the app to be in HTML5, it does seem that Google here is behaving rather dishonestly.

However, we should note that Google has yet to go into as much detail and surely they have their side as well. Regardless, this dispute has clearly crossed a line and Windows Phone users are suffering at their expense.

Source: TechNet (opens in new tab)

Daniel Rubino is the Editor-in-chief of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft since 2007 when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, laptops, next-gen computing, and for some reason, watches. Before all this tech stuff, he worked on a Ph.D. in linguistics, watched people sleep (for medical purposes!), and ran the projectors at movie theaters because it was fun.

548 Comments

This is absurd.
Absolutely. Makes no sense.
Its disgusting that any company behave this way. Let alone google, the supposed bannermen for unity and constructive behavior. Spoil little petulant children. Fuck google.
You didn't have your upercase locked... -_- You should have said
FUCK GOOGLE THEY FREAKING SUCK. :)
In other news Tube Pro continues to be immune to these issues, with no ads, HD streaming, and the ability to download. I never even bothered installing the MS app.
The average joe who is new to the platform is going to be looking for a Youtube app.
Not MetroTube,Tube Pro or whatever. Google are just be an ass about this.
My only issue with Tube Pro is the control bar and buttons take up half the screen. Is there a way to turn it off? I was using Mytube previously, but that no longer works.
YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT!
FUCK GOOGLE THEY ARE FREAKING SUCK!
I cant belive that, even after having more than 70% Mobile OS market, google are so insecure and afraid of competition that they are behaving like bigtime loosers...Perhaps they are aware that their 'lagdroid' dont have chances to sustain the healthy competition....
GOOGLE .......YOU NEVER HAD ANY QUALITY.....NOW YOU DONT EVEN HAVE REPUTATION...!
SHAME!!!
+1
Like a sir! ^
Good. Now. I don't have to say it out loud.
Well, that's Google, Anti-Competitive bastards.
At least there is MyTube and MetroTube
dont forget about the apps youtube hd... even its better than tube pro.. try it..
It makes sense dude,
Both company hate each other. Microsoft always bully Google services(e.g.- Privacy)
I don't know why Microsoft come-up with those apps which always violates Google terms and condition and give them chance to block. and where as Google just need a reason to do this.
Google is not going to make apps unless WP get resonable market shares.
So, I see this is fault from both Microsoft and Google for this mess.
and we as WP users have to suffer.
Don't forget that Google has done everything they could think of to put Microsoft out of business. Google was a search engine that everyone loved until they created Google Docs, now Google Drive and of course Google Chrome. Now Google is being overly difficult. I don't fault Microsoft much on this, they are just trying to stay alive.
Google Docs is a joke compared to Office. There is no evidence that Google's promise of stealing 90% of Office customers has even got started. Microsoft has something like 13 billion dollar businesses. Google can only threaten Microsoft on the mobile front.
And also don't forget that Microsoft also done everything they could to put Google out of business.
Still Google search engine is loved by everyone holding approx 90% market share. Google beat Microsoft almost in every service which provided by both companies.....Smartphone OS, Search Engine, browser etc..... I am still saying that its both companies fault. Both companies hate each other so much that they don't want to see there existence. Microsoft always build app which violates Google terms and conditions and Google always going to ban for this.
And we as WP users have to suffer for this
Chrome only beats IE because no one uses IE due to reputation. The only issues I have with IE 10 are with management web pages for network equipment and some really old vBB forums I view, and then I use nets.. i mean firefox :P I just have chrome around for the odd time neither IE or firefox works. They were good till about a year ago and then it just became a crawl to open or do anything and it was always trying to do crap in the background..

I've switched Bing, good for 90% of my searches, the more in the weeds technical searches I still use google.

They aren't better or worse, but for my needs I don't have a pressing NEED for google services. I still use the email, but I never was a big personal email user, so I can take or leave what ever free email I can get.
Well, IE looses to Google Chrome because of support. Take an example of Window XP, which support IE 8 but not 9 &10, where as Google Chrome is available with its latest version which is even better and secure than IE10. So, why use IE when you get a better browser which beat IE in all aspects.
Google Search engine is far better than Bing, I used Bing and leave it. Because search results aren't good as Google search engine neither the presentation of data.
Lets take other services like
YouTube vs. Bing Video
Gmap vs. Bing Map
Android vs. Window Phone
All above services Google beat Microsoft by very large margin.
Why??????
Because Microsoft have a habit of not listening to customers and they provide what they want not what the user want and they are very slow on that too.
I think you're on the wrong forum to say Android is better than Windows Phone.

And MS "not listening to customers"? Are you kidding? I have never seen a company be as responsive to customers as MS has been recently with the XBox One, basically, reversing position on many of their initial plans due to customer feedback.

In contrast, Google makes money from advertisers, not from paying users, which means they don't give a crap about us as end-users, as long as the experience isn't so bad that we stop using them completely. Google is a vile company.

Unfortunately, YouTube, Google Earth, and a few other apps have no equal (at least that I know about), so we go to Google for those. I hope this babyish behavior of rejecting the app and refusing to offer their own causes MS to offer than own alternative to YouTube or some other company to step into the gap.
I am not here to talk about Android.
All I am saying about market shares .
Sorry, to say but Microsoft don't listen to customer......I said this specially for WP.
GDR2 and 3 are full of craps features. We as WP users need basic features which are missing on WP.(Auto-rotate screen on/off option, better brightness control(since battery back-up isn't good), centralised notication etc)
Where as what did microsoft provide -data sense..totally crap.
I don' t know how it is more useful that those basic features.
They might provide some feature in WP blue but ......wait is too long. Microsft intentionally launch half baked OS and they have habbit of provideing those features very slow or might not provide at all.
I would much rather Microsoft take their time and release a feature that is not only useful, but fits with the UI and compliments the OS. Live Tiles serve as a relatively decent substitute for Notifications (obviously not a replacement) there are some really good ideas being thrown around on the WP User Voice.
I would prefer Microsoft work on certain things, but they know best where they are heading and how they can get there. It would be a fools arrand to attempt to appease everyone and as the XBox One fiasco has shown, listening to customers isn't always the proper course of action.
Joe Belfiore at MS has specifically spoken to many of those features and the timing. He has said that they know these are needed and they're working on them. But, he points out, the single biggest complaint from Windows Phone users is lack of apps. The way to get apps is to scale the # of users. That means adding features first that support the hardware needed for broad reach. The 1040 the 520, the upcoming 1080p 5" systems, these all required additional OS support for Nokia and other manufacturers to add the hardware. The 520 is finally causing Windows Phone to reach the masses, which will solve the single biggest deficiency: apps.

This has all been well-covered on this site.

Therefore, I don't believe it's reasonable to conclude that MS is not working as hard or fast as it can, albeit slower than many of us would like, to add key features to is fledgling OS that address the needs of its customers, even its current customers (more scale means more apps).
Hmmmm ...Let's see, Android running on a quad core processors and still lags. Windows Phone running on a single or dual processor and runs perfectly. Half bake my a$$. Sometimes you have to look beyond the features, and look into what it can do for you. If you are looking for features that a device don't have, then that just mean that the device isn't for you. Plain and simple.
So way the hell are you using WP?! Besides that, Chrome IS NOT better than IE 10 or the new IE 11 in any way, shape or form. I`ve ditched Gmail, Chrome (Wich now SUCKS) and android is next, since im geting the Lumia 925. Remember when google catch phrase was "Dont be evil"??? Those days are long gone and actually google is acting way worst than apple.
WP can't get good market share if Youtube is deprived from the platform. Google knows this.
@ Sepatown Other than intentionaly trying to stifle windows phone growth.. it does not as they are foregoing revenue and increased user base...
and childish.
Even more than the Scroogle ads? I think not.
The Scroogled ads were terrible.
They were indeed. You don't go out and ask someone for something you badly want, whilst simultaneously spreading misinformation or FUD about them.
Google potentially has legal obligations here. These are anti-competitive maneuvers. Is it worth it to risk punishment over this when there a dozens of YT apps which are more popular than Microsoft's?
Uhh no it's not 'anti-competitive'. YouTube isn't an essential tool for doing anything. It's just a video service, which happens to be very popular.
It has nothing to do with being an essential tool. If you stop a competitor in one market from accessing your software/platform when you\ve allowed numerous others access for the sole reason that they're a competitor (which is becoming very obvious here) it's illegal and is a breach of antitrust.
Then why doesn't Microsoft make software for platforms like Linux? They make a SkyDrive sync tool for Windows and Mac, but not Linux. Is that anticompetitive?
I'm honestly asking because I don't know for sure.
It's not illegal for Google not to release the app for Windows Phone. It is illegal to block it if Microsoft used publicly available APIs.
There's a terms of service attached to the APIs though, right? And Google says MS violated those?
True and according to Microsoft, they violated them because Google never gave them enough information to enforce them. .Google hasn't said anything more on this issue, so we don't really know their side of the story,
I agree.
And you probably won't because Google doesn't engage in the sort of PR wars that MS and Apple seem so fond of starting. MS's app got shut down because they didn't conform to the TOS. End of story.
Well, at least someone has all the facts. I was going to wait for both parties to provide their arguments, but I think reading your comment renders that moot. Thanks. ;)
The TOS that Android, iPhone and BlackBerry don't have to follow? Give me a break.
Google is making BS excuses to cover up the truth, otherwise they would be blocking those other OS' because they don't use HTML5 either.
The SkyDrive API is public and can be used by anyone to make a linux version with no restrictions. So it is not the same. MS is also one of the largest contributors to the linux kernel and hold a lot of pattents which they stated they do not want to use. So it's not the same. Linux problem is fragmentation so doing that for linux by MS would mean doing it with source code available which is understandable an issue
It's true that microsoft didn't make any software for linux (let's says, office). But they didn't ban any document compatibility where user of libre office can freely save their work as docx, xlsx, pptx compatible document. Another example was, windows shared folder which can be accessed using samba on linux. They didn't block that too.
Linux is free, a nonprofit based on open sourceness. If it was intending to compete with MS, that is anticompetive. But it isn't.
Which do you think is more threatening to a business -- a competitor who charges for the work or someone else who gives it away for free? No judgement on the merits of open-source, just that MS has potentially more to fear from free software than a competitor like, say, Apple. If I opened a burger joint, and a competitor opened one across the street, I'd be concerned and fight for market share, but if third company started giving away free food, even if it sucked, that's harder to beat.
Linux doesn't matter on the desktop. Never did, never will. Yes, I said that for all to read.
+1
Windows doesn't matter on the smartphone.
Never did, never will.
Yes, I said that for all to read.
It's beginning to pick up, especially outside the U.S. and China, so it's beginning to matter.
Your "never did, never will" is just so a-hole!
Yes, I said that for all to read.
His "never did, never will" is as a-hole as mine....
After all, I just took his troll comment and turned against him, 'cause someone who uses Windows Phone really doesn't have much moral to talk about Linux desktop market share....
You must balls of steel.
Linux isn't really a paid product in the consumer world. It's free. And, Linux users can still use SkyDrive via the Web. And the API's are available, so one can make an app if they want to. But I doubt Linux users want to use a Microsoft service.
Microsoft owns Skype... Which has a public API... Apps like trillian connect to Skype and it works fine. Microsoft makes xbox smartglass for android, ios,windows... Etc... If the iOS app didn't exist... Then YouTube could be android only
anti-competitive?? how?
All users can access it through browsers, and it's not an 'essential' part of any OS/mobile OS.
over that there are dozens of unofficial youtube client already in WP market. google didn't stop them even though most of them are violating google's TOS.
So by that definition Chrome can be blocked on all Windows Desktops.
It's not an essential part of the OS and there is Explorer and Firefox to replace it. But if that were to happen, what do you think Google would say?
If Microsoft blocked Chrome on Windows it isn't Google's reaction that Microsoft would have to worry about.
That's not the point. The point is that it's clearly not fair to block Microsoft from releasing their youtube app for not meeting requirements that don't apply to ios or android. Just as it would not be fair for MS to block Google Chrome.
Unfortunately, Google can easily afford whatever they would be ordered to pay if a judge found them guilty, and they know it. In the meantime they are hurting the winphone platform which is much more valuable to them in the long run.
That's a valid point. There are non HTML5 third party apps out there. Those aren't being blocked. So how is it anti consumer? Google is blocking an official app made for them and for their customers. There are people who don't want to use an unofficial app, because of problems like with Instagram and this case where it is being blocked. Microsoft is trying to help Google's customers, but they aren't allowing it. Google doesn't care about me - or other Google fans - who used their products most of our lives and choose, for one reason or another, a different mobile platform. I was right, a long time ago, when I said to a friend Google is becoming the next Microsoft. I just didn't realize it would be negative. And now Microsoft is making their apps available for other platforms. You can use Skype on all major platforms. Sometimes the app is better on competing platforms. What does Google do? They say we don't care about our customer base on Windows Phone. That is anti consumer.
1). How was it misinformation?
2). FUD... Really?? Like Samsung paying people to scour other non-samsung device forums and troll people?
Yes, you don't punch someone in the sack and then ask them for favours.
Sure you do if you're a narcissistic sociopath.
If it weren't for Windows PC's where the hell would google be today?

And before you take that particular stance look up google's patent violations and why Microsoft and Apple (mainly Steve Jobs) were gunning for them so hard.
Moving goal posts are we?
An apt description to what Google is doing!
The scroogled ads were super informative!
Those ad's weren't giving a middle finger to Microsoft's customers. Google doesn't care about YouTube fans If they choose another platform.
Unless that platform is IOS.
Scgroogle ads run on the internet only tech geeks see them and care about them. THey are irrelevent. Youtube is an essential app for any platform. I don't think you can compare the two. MS and Apple have made ads attacking each other too and you don't see MS pulling MS office and Apple still decided to use Bing in ios. Google is just acting incredibly immature and I think its about time MS filed some complaints with the DOJ regarding Googles anticompetative behavior. Maybe that's what MS is doing. They are just gathering evidence to present for an antitrust case.
I think on some level MS is happy to see Google behave the way it does because it gives them more ammunition in their future court battle which there is sure to be. However, they would probably still prefer Google to play nice.
I don't even know what to say. It just doesn't add up... Can't wait to see how Google constructs its own press release on the matter - if they even decide to come out with one, that is.
They won't make any such statement. In those situations where they act like scum they never do.
I usually don't have a problem with any vendor and actaully use Gmail and Google Voice as my primary personal accounts. I am even onboard with Google openly saying that they will not develop any of their apps for Windows Phone - it is their decision. But Google throwing a fit about Microsoft developing this app and revoking it just plain turning me off. And I dont even use YouTube on my phone more than once a month. This makes me think twice about what rules Google want to play with and seriously make me reconsider my decision of using Google Voice and GMail. Who knows they may yank out support for GMail and block MetroTalk some day. Switching from GMail is easy - Google Voice not so much. How much I wish that Skype adds support non VOIP calling like Google Voice does. Feeling right now - Scroogled!
#Scroogled
+1020
what is absurd is sites that bitch about goofle and then continue to post their videos there.
That's what I was thinking, Windows Phone Central should upload videos to dailymotion instead.
the problem really is that WPC is part of Mobile Nations and Mobile Nation's sites all use the same "engine" to run their site, so I don't think this is really out of choice
Still posting videos to Youtube?
I'm not
so:
Google will pay a HUGE penalty because of breaking the antitrust laws
I think US of A should pay special notice on the privacy issues, too.
Privacy should be only broken by CIA, not a private co.
That should be constitutional
Google gets tax breaks in exchange for giving Eric Holder whatever he wants.
Google is strongly anti-privacy, which is why I avoid Google whenever I can, and CHOOSE to bring my business elsewhere. But users agree to their terms of service when they are foolish enough to use gmail. Google and its users are absolutely within their legal rights to agree to free email service in exchange for data monitoring for targeted ads. That's absolutely not un-Constitutional. The Constitution sets limits on what the GOVERNMENT can do, not what private parties can contract to do. The Fourth Amendment specifically prohibits unreasonable search and seizure and monitoring (aside from what I do in public) without a warrant. That has nothing do with Google's terms.

They may be violating anti-trust laws by blocking MS like this (not clear on the facts with this yet), but that's a whole different issue.
+1 I also hope WPCentral will find a different video service soon to make a statement.
I suggest to pull out all MS app in the play store im fine with the browser ex .... Skype,MS office,skydrive , etc.
I m proud be 100% Google Free from 04/2013.
Same here. Gave up on them months ago.
I totally agree!
Lets see if we can get their attention with this:
http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/google-youtube-unblock-the-current-official-youtube-app-for-windows-phone-by-microsoft-2
I don't see how this doesn't trigger an anti-trust investigation. The principle of antitrust is to ban abusive behavior by a firm dominating a market, or anti-competitive practices that tend to lead to such a dominant position by means like predatory pricing, tying, price gouging, and refusal to deal. Microsoft, for many years, has been handcuffed on many fronts for this. For example, Microsoft is forced to open up Office API and its proprietary document format to allow third party developing office compatible products, including Google Doc. This is to prevent Microsoft from further dominating the OS market should it choose to leverage one of its monopoly product (office) and intentionally create a sub-bar experience on other platform (by not developing any office product for other OS and not publishing necessary API’s to allow others create substitute products).
What Google did is a perfect analogy of what Microsoft could’ve done but not allowed to do due to antitrust regulation. Google, in order to sabotage the wp platform, it leverages one of its monopoly product (youtube web service), and intentionally create a sub-par youtube experience on wp platform (by not developing a youtube app for wp, AND not publishing necessary API’s to allow Microsoft create a substitute app). It doesn’t matter what excuse google uses, the intention is loud and clear: Google would do whatever it takes, whether it’s unethical or even illegal, to stop wp, or any Microsoft platform, from having a youtube experience on-par with any other platform can offer. It’s clear that Google doesn’t care the consumer experience of the wp users, and they don’t even care their youtube content creator’s value.
Or, Microsoft can take a simpler approach. What if MS offers an OS level ad blocker that blocks all Google ads, or all online ads? Would that pretty much kill Google all together? OK, Microsoft may also lose their own ads business, but if they go into a full-fledged war, which seems to be what Google wants, it’s not a bad deal for Microsoft. I know what you’re thinking. No, it doesn’t necessarily trigger antitrust law suit, as 1) Microsoft doesn’t really block Google service. Users can still use google search, youtube, gmail, most likely with a better experience. And 2) Microsoft can make it user configurable. But I’m not sure, other than the diehard google fan boys, how many users would be willing to unblock the ads.
Plus it has a really nice icon.
Just what I though
Google sucks
Pure evil...
BIG Brother needs to GTFO.
I hope this doesn't end up in a courtroom, because it could be a looong time before it works again.
In the meantime you have Metrotube which works just fine.
Exactly
Does Metrotube have Vevo videos yet?
i think there is a Vevo player... i could be wrong, just remember there was one
Lol. Yes there is, it's called "Vevo". Available in the msft store. :-)
It's not available to most of the countries :/ so Metrotube it's not so useful..
I tweeted google. Check out what I wrote on twitter @kevinjtro
Retweeted, I'm @sunneschi
LOL, what a stupid attempt at getting Twitter popularity. Not going there.
I could care less about getting popular on twitter, I have found that going to twitter is better than email or a phone call.
FYI, the expression is you "couldn't care less" otherwise you're stating you want to get popular on twitter... unless that IS what you meant. Why do people butcher common expressions...
It's because we are human and prone to make errors. I did not proofread my comment so an error was made. I want to thank you for correcting me.
That's not why; it's because in the US that's what they normally say. I've never spoken to or seen on TV an American who says the logically correct, original form of the phrase.
hahahaha I retweeted as well @luiislp lol
retweeted
Did my part and retweeted!!!
retweeted @sankha_tweet
Done.@thisisrakesh
RT...go Kevin! :)
Watch out fi dis
Bumaye!
You beat me to it by a frigin second!
Dancing some Jamaican steps. Nice one
Boomaye.
Lol
II guess it is time to Balmer show the MS claws. How about deny the use of their technology (patents) on android? Deny office and other things? How about that? Deny Skype. Deny Office. Google is a kindagarden compared to MS when we talk about patents and know how.
I agree 100% with you.
Reminds me of Arnold in End of Days.... You want to F with me, you think you know bad? You are like a choir boy compared to me, a choir boy!!!
Best part of the Arnold quote, he said that shit to SATAN!
The problem is that Ms would be screwed by the courts. I think they may get away with breaking chrome or something. But they would hurt themselves legally and in the public eye. Opening a petition to the eu is probably the best idea.
Yeah, that's the problem. The courts have long been biased against Microsoft (particularly in Europe, in my opinion), so if Microsoft did to Google what Google is doing to Microsoft, Microsoft would get fined while Google got told it was in the right for doing the same things.
The difference is all about market share. Because android is now creeping above 80%, they'll be under special scrutiny in the eu. Their day in court will come,
The problem is that Android has a huge marketshare. Taking things like Office and Skype away from Android would just push more people towards alternatives like Google Docs and Google Hangouts. The marketshare of Android is large enough that this would hurt MS.
Youtube is one the most watched sites on the world. We are suffering by Google's denial. It is our time. Or kill or u die.
Metro tube is right there man you will be OK
I would then be angry at Microsoft. They care about their customers.
I agree. I am finding Google a very poor company though in terms of what they do and there support. We had a company we support go to googles own cloud for emails and documents and when we asked there were there any issues with using there current Microsoft office software and any up coming Ms software we were told no. We then migrated them from there Exchange which granted was very smooth but that is where all the good stops. We have had issues with outlook not minimising when in the Google sync profile but works fine on the Exchange profile, we then had issues with calendar and tasks being shared and when we spoke to Google about it we were then told that it was not googles issue it was an issue with outlook yet it works fine with the Exchange account.
We then went a head and setup some windows 8 pc's that the company wanted and they bought office 2013 with them and we could not get the Google sync installed and again the said that the software dose not work with outlook 2013 and they don't have a way of fixing the issue but they have said if the customer upgrades to 2013 office pro it will work. Now I can't work out why that would make a difference. In the end we ended up moving them over to office 365 and since then we have not had any issues. For me Microsoft get a lot of stick on the web but I have tried all the other Systems out there and every time I've fond my self falling back to Microsoft Systems as the support is always good and for me anyway there devices just work and work well together for what I need them for. I hope Microsoft and Google can get this sorted out but I am starting to find my self using YouTube less and less and it would be funny if someone managed to take the market away from them over the next few years but I don't see it happening.
Give them a poor Skype service, a html5 skype app. Or html5 office app. Or worst.
Google apps sync is crap. I had problem with them with outlook syncing, the sync connections is alway dead. I left them and gave them the finger now I have exchange server and all the employees are very happy, sharing calendars, and Contacts with no problem.
I've been saying this for a while now. But while some ignore googles actions and shitty ways, if MS actually did something like that they would be vilified till the end of time!
A sudden update to internet protocols breaking all Google services on Windows products, and watch the world burn.. That would be fun to watch. :)
I love the smell of Napalm in the Morning.
I hope they start with Exchange first. xD
Hmm, I like that idea a lot.
I agree.
As pissed as I am about Google's action, I don't agree with the idea of punishing Android customers for Google's actions. Maybe there is some kind of legal action that MS can take against Google for anti-trust violations of some sort, or anti-competitive actions (I'm not a lawyer). Google is the wrongdoer, not their customers.
Google Is Just Jealous From Microsoft Cuz Were Getting A A Better Experience Than iOS & Android....!
Not really.
We were, the original update was hands down the best YouTube app on the market.
OH! I thought you meant overall smartphone experience
well the overall smartphone experience to me is also better on WP then ios and android.
Google can gaggle on a dongle.
Google is pure evil.
while it had said long before: "don't be evil."
i dont use a windows phone. But i agree with you. Google is just doing this because they can. Microsoft even tried to make it so that advertisements worked on the system but they disabled it anyways. Google does evil stuff like this. Locking a competitor out of the game is something microsoft would try.. Google's not above it either.
Hey come on. Schmidt is saying the truth. Don't be evil. Because he IS the one who has the right to be evil :p
We are in the middle of a war. These giants are going to go at it for a while. I anticipate Redmond to go rogue and get nice and dirty.
-_-
Sounds like the federal government needs to investigate the anticompetitive behavior
This isn't something that could legally be considered anticompetitive. Google makes a YouTube app for iOS. That's proof that they'll support rival platforms.
Calling Google anticompetitive for not making a YouTube app for Windows Phone is like calling Microsoft anticompetitive for not making a SkyDrive sync tool for Linux. Both companies chose not to support operating systems that have a small marketshare. It sucks for users of those operating systems, but it's not anticompetitive. There's no law that says you have to make software for every platform out there.
Except google has a YouTube app on bb10, an os with a fraction of the WP8 market share.
It sucks for us, but that's their choice. It may look unfair, but it's not illegal. They can make software for whoever they choose to make software for.
That's an HTML5 app though
I think the more fundamental problem is that Google is trying their best to keep WP's YouTube experience inferior. Indeed there is no law that says you have to make software for every platform out there. HOWEVER, it is Microsoft who is developing the app, not Google. The "official" YouTube" has been around for a few years. But, why only NOW does Google start raising issues about it? Google didn't do anything to develop the app. But the moment a very good-looking YouTube app appears in the store, they put a roadblock to it. To me, that is a very strong sign of anti-competitiveness.
+920
Yes, it can be.
If was just Google did not wanting to do an app, it was fine, but Google does not let Microsoft creates and YouTube app.
Just imagine Microsoft blocking the Google Chrome in Windows because it was not done using Delphi.
Or someone doing an SkyDrive for Linux and Microsoft ban it because the app wasn't pretty.
This treatment of Google is a lost-lost deal, but Microsoft lost more on this. Google prefers to have less Ad than lost users of Android to Microsoft.
And, for the last, it can be an antitrust action because Google is using a service to monopoly another one. And just remember, there is no “Low range” IOS, but there are plenty of “Low range” Windows Phone.
Its one thing to not make an app for a platform. Its another to demand that they take down the app after a 3rd party went through the trouble to create it and making ridiculous demands that their own app doesn't even have to meet.
Office didn't exist on iOS for years (until recently.) Was Microsoft being anticompetitive that entire time?
Trickym81, you actually stupid? No one is saying google is at fault for choosing not to provide a youtube app (just as MS never provided an office app on iOS), but they are at fault for deliberately pulling an app for little to no good reason.
I'm not saying Google isn't at fault. They're obviously at fault. They're screwing Windows Phone and everyone knows it. I'm also not saying they're not acting in a less than optimal way. Obviously they're being the "bad guys" in this situation. I'm just saying that they're not breaking any laws or acting in an anticompetitive way. People who claim that they have some sort of legal right to a Windows Phone YouTube app are being ridiculous.
Thanks for calling me stupid though. It really added a lot to the conversation.
Ofice is software not a public service like youtube. You can't market something as beeing public to everyone and then doing this. If you have this service public use the same measure for all. So if you ban MS also ban all other apps that use the youtube and allow downloads or whatever. Ban Metro Tube and so on. If you just ban MS from using the service but not the rest then this is anticompetitive
The Microsoft app was called "YouTube." It wasn't called "MetroTube" or anything else. That's the problem.
You think if Google wrote a program for Chrome that worked just like Office and named it "Office" Microsoft wouldn't get upset and demand it be shut down?
It has nothing to do with the name. Google already agreed to let MS use the name. MS clearly states who has copyright on youtube so again no fault here. And remember there are similar cases like opensource LIbre Office, Star Office, etc, etc. MS does not own the name offse. Google demanded to be shutdown because they are anticompetitive. I'm not saying that Google should let MS do native apps because google themself make native apps. That their right to make native apps and not use the API as they own the service. I'm saying you can't block MS and allow the rest of zillion of sites, apps and so on to break TOS. I mean all the apps that download from youtube should be banned. Metro Tube and the likes banned and so on. You are either correct and enforce the TOS to everyone or you are anticompetitive. And the HTML5 restriction is total bullshit and uther bullshit. HTML be it 5, 4, etc whatever version it's just a standard to represent documents in a tree like fashion. It has nothing to do with communication which is done over http protocol. So once I make the http request and get the data who cares how I display the html????? Isn't browser just a program that initiates http request and draws the html on screen? How is not the MS progam a html5 browser? Does it makes http connection? Sure. How it displays the info next is not defined in any html5 standard to enforce that restriction. Is pure lawyer stupidity is simple flash over substance. MS was criticized and fined all the time that they have hidden api in their own operating system that gives them an edge because competition can't interoperate. Years after years MS had to defend itself and explain how they achieve faster loading times in office so competition steal their ideeas and their work just to please the courts. Now google is doing worse because they lie. They pretend they use open protocol say that so you use their service then they screw you. It's not just anticompetitive is pure marketing and PR scam. And they should be made to suffer. But only the people can make them suffer by refusing to use their services anymore.
Its not about making the software, Microsoft made the software within the terms of service and a-hole Google is blocking their access for the SOLE PURPOSE OF COMPETITION. That is anti competitive. Nothing here says they won't make an app, google is blocking an app made by Microsoft but yet let others on this platform exist outside the TOS. You need to actually READ the article.
Except microsoft didn't close the API access to their services like skydrive so anyone interested (if any) can make skydrive sync client on linux. While google blatantly revoke the key to access their API. Well .. It still not illegal though. It just sucks. I clearly don't want to use this kind of service for my personal needs.
Exactly. It's not illegal, it just sucks. That's my point.
The problem is that Google is using its platforms to attack a direct competitor in Microsoft over Bing. The problem is not one where Google is being forced to make an app, but instead allow use of a public API. Why not break MetroTube? Why not break other apps? True, they may allow it if MS doesn't call it YouTube.

That said, I think MS has intentionally engaged in this battle to highlight issues with Google. They do something for their customers that Google refuses to do and Google lashes out. Google's chief also has lashed out at MS for including Google Talk capability in Outlook, even though they made the API public and encouraged it.

One problem is Bing, which has been growing its search share. Another is Outlook.com, an equal to Gmail, and the big one is Office, the juggernaut that Google is trying to make inroads against (Forbes reported at the beginning of this year that Office still controlled 95% of the productivity market). Truth is, Google isn't all that good at converting things from Office and wants greater access to that market because it'll give them more data to sell to advertizers since that is pretty much what Google does.

So they lash out where they can.

I expect them to also lash out at Samsung when they ditch Android for Tizen and attempt to break Google apps for Android's functionality on Tizen.

I can tell you from sources inside the industry, everyone HATES Google, but they need them for now. However, they see a time coming when Google will get theirs.

So why specifically lash out at Windows Phone beyond the other issues? Because you want to thwart growth. Samsung will abandon Android, but not WP. A growing WP8 user base may move more manufacturers over, limiting Android's own growth (actually, Samsung leaving guarantees a massive implosion). You can bet that MS would like to aggressively woo others to the platform. A problem for now is the benefits that Nokia reaps, but those benefits are necessary for the platform to grow. Even so, Android without Samsung, without the bleed effect from them, will be a shrinking platform, not a growing one. Eventually only Moto might be left if the cards can be played right.
its not about google making and app for WP its about google blocking the ms app only out of all the fucking youtube apps that are available in the world. Do you get the point now??
Google did indeed make a youtube app for IOS, because at that stage IOS marketshare was bigger than android's. Back then Google/android had a lot to gain. Right now they're trying to keep WP marketshare small by denying WP a youtube app experience that's on par with the android/ios version. They know MS mean bussiness with WP8/W8 and regard them as a potentially seriously dangerous competitor. Unlike their view of BB I guess.
Youtube is nothing but advertised filled garbage.
+10000
since that I will only use YouTube just for getting links and download those videos via KeepVid.
Obviously this is a "degraded" experience because they themselves blocked us from viewing videos! This is outrageous!!!
Lol, Google is absolutely mentally deranged.
Is anybody having troubles with metrotube? I hit play and nothing happens. And Google can gobble deez nutz.
Metrotube still works for me.
Yes, same issue here when I was trying to use it last night.
Watch the bot comments, don't believe people saying "x" YouTube apps work. They don't. Just trying to make quick cash by exploiting this down time.
I just watched RayWilliamJohnson on Metrotube, without problems, and I ain't no fckn bot.
IzaacJ on XDA/Twitter/WPStore/everywhere else so... Yeah, MetroTube DOES work.
If you say so
It's completely possible that Metrotube isn't working for some people. But I downloaded it after the Youtube app broke, and Metrotube worked for me just fine. For how much longer, I don't know.
I am not a bot. Metrotube still works fine for me. I believe metrotube has a free version. So not many $$ for metrotube if you do that.
Metrotube is donationware.. so the trial is a full fledged app having said that donate to keep them in buisness!
Bot???? Check my profile, been here along time on WPC supertube is fully functional, mytube 1 vid then errors, not trying to sell anything, one caveat I own both apps, don't know if free version of supertube is fully functional but my paid version works just fine, I don't use metrotube so can't comment on that, so Orlok be careful what you spout, alot of WPC members truly do try to help other members
I had been using an app called YouTube HD and liked it well enough, but it also broke yesterday.
What the hell Google?
Its a greedy ass company that like to get rid of competition like us.
Does anyone who never updated who has the original still work?
No, it does not. Used the same key.
I'm also having intermittant problems with MetroTube and MyTube. Can you confirm that they should not be affected? Some videos work OK, but others will not play (and it isn't the standard, "this video will not play on your device," type of error).
My original is still working. And I have update pending for YouTube. I didn't ofcourse.
Mine still works. I didn't update it.
I wish Microsoft made a video service like YouTube.. That way I wouldn't need any Google service anymore.
They did..it failed miserably...forgot what is was called
Soapbox.
But maybe it is time to try again? Integrate the 360 and One DVR, WP, surface, and iOS with it. Maybe it will get traction on attempt 2.
Terrible name. Microsoft is really hit or miss when it comes to naming products (Xbox, SkyDrive, Surface = Awesome; Windows RT, Soapbox, not so much.

That said, yes, it's time for them to make a competing service again. I think it could work if they bought out Vimeo and gave it a new paint job (and a new Terms of Service).
I wish nobody made a video service like YouTube.
Lol
Well they could buy one like google bought YT. But nothing really compares to YT...except.. daily motion? :-/
RedTube, anyone?
:D :D
They did make one. It was called Soapbox. They pulled the plug in 2009 after less than 3 years of operation.
They tried with Soapbox but it never took off.
One more reason i refuse to go android. Cannot stand google. Youtube is the only google service i care about.

- Typed in Google Chrome.
LOL nice!
YOU BASTARD :)
Well, I'll just stop using YouTube. One customer less for Google
Well, I actually have a host file blocking all ads on Youtube. I'll just browse around and play eating their bandwidth without them getting any revenue from me!
Unfortunately, YouTube is really the only site that does what it does, so we're kind of stuck with it.
#boycottgoogle Microsoft should officially remove all google apps from windows 8 n should not allow any user to use any of Google's products n the search engine through anuly of the windows computers
I just posted on Google+ with that hashtag :P
Completely ridiculous. If Android and iOS were HTML5 compliant I could understand it, but this is just anti-competitive.
I don't get it, apple is moving away from google. They use Bing now, seems like they should block them also?
Google just hurt android might become third tier is cause WP is prevailing
And I just updated my YouTube app 10 min ago....Eff. You. Google.
Just makes me want to boycott google even more.
Even after being a fan boy I'll say its so funny of Google to give them a hope to MSFT to look up in the Sky for YouTube and they Slap MSFT and run away!! :D
For the time being FUCK YOU BUNCH OF BASTARDS AT GOOGLE, FACEBOOK & INSTAGRAM for not creating or not letting create an offical WP8 apps. However, Unofficial apps of all 3(FB, Instagram & Youtube) are better than official as they allow us to *Download* the videos or images! So in a double meaning Fuck you!!
Windows Phone's Facebook app is made by Microsoft with Facebook's collbaration so that there will not be a need for a real Facebook app for WP. Instagram did not wish to release or approve a app for a still immature smartphone platform and I can respect that but WP Blue is still months away. But Google revoking Microsoft's YouTube developer's key after a agreement with them? That's just pure nonsene and a underhanded tatic and there was no such HTML5 restriction for the iOS version of the same YouTube app! For a company with the fan-biased slogan of "Don't be Evil", Google's actions is not only anti-competitive, it's also considered that Google broke a sealed non-restricted agreement and also placed restrictions after the agreement was sealed.
So, to your knowledge, are any of the 3rd party youtube apps working now? I'd like be able to use one in the mean time.
MyTube, and MetroTube are also broken. I tried again today. Errors after first video.
MetroTube seems to work for me, I tried to watch some videos without any problem :-)
I'll try it again.
MetroTube working 100% here (Brazilian 920 user).
my supertube app appears to be working ok, just watched 5 vids in a row with no problems, haven't tried to download a vid yet but playback seems ok as of right now
Update: just tested the download feature and its working as well, so ya, as of this posting supertube seems to be fully functional, which is good since its my favorite you tube app Update2 my mytube app will only play 1 vid, then error after that
I hate that. 1 video than ERRORRR!
Getthemall works fine. It can even download AND copy downloaded videos to windows desktop :)
I wonder if its possible for Microsoft to disable Office, Outlook, Hotmail & SkyDrive for just the Google Nexus series of phones
Microsoft can disable all windows service's in any platform but they probably just lose money by doing that so don't wait for that to happen.
Does anyone honestly believe Microsoft would be that childish? Do you think they'd treat their customers that way? Google yes, but Microsoft?
Their requirement doesn't make sense.
Google just seems to be moving the goal posts. Why do they feel they can dictate how the app is coded, if it fulfills the other objectives? And if they DO want to dictate this, then they should just release their own app.
Google sux balls
It sucks, but Google's tactics are working on me.
I use Gmail. A lot. I like Gmail. A lot. I also use and like YouTube a lot. However, I also like Microsoft and Nokia a lot. Google has set it up so that I can't properly use Google services on Microsoft's operating system or the phones that Nokia makes for that operating system.
I can, however, use a lot of Microsoft services on Google's mobile operating system Android. Microsoft is currently supporting Android in a way that would let me switch to Android and keep using a lot of the Microsoft services that I love (Skype, SkyDrive, etc.)
I love WP. I really do. But Google's tactics are working on me and I think my next phone may be an Android phone. I don't want to switch to Outlook.com. I don't want to miss out on YouTube and other Google apps. I want my phone to work properly and I want services like Gmail and YouTube to work properly on that phone.
Honestly, the only things keeping me on Windows Phone right now are Xbox Music Pass and Nokia. However, it's starting to look like the Nokia phone that I really want (the Lumia 1020) might not even come to Canada any time soon. That's yet another issue for me.
There are just so many roadblocks and difficulties that I'm facing as a Windows Phone user right now. Switching to Android just seems so much easier. I'm sick of battling.
Sorry for the long comment.
a lot
For me is working in other way. I used to love Gmail, Gmaps, Google Earth, Google Music and even the G+. I went to WP after a long period on Android and iOS. I switch back to iOS and now I'm back to WP. I never liked the Scroogled campaing. But right now, I don't care. I deleted my earth, my chrome, I am using Outlook, just in a week. Hate google more than ever.
I went the same way. Used almost all their services, but since this all started, I've quit using everything except gmail (my WPDev account is bound to this, and not possible to change) and youtube (the only channel I actively follow is only available on youtube, no videopodcast)... Left everything else.
Sadly, my workplace only allows searching with google, all sites related to work (gsmarena, retail stores, manufacturers) and wikipedia + google are allowed, everything else is blocked by proxy. Sadly, bing is included in all that blocked stuff.
That highlights the problem. Google services are popular and almost everyone uses at least one of them. Even if you try to quit their services, you'll find that other people use them and that you'll need to use them from time to time. It's starting to feel easier to give to Google than to keep fighting.
I'm currently waiting for a response from the support on anyway to change the bound account. And at work, I do all the searches om my phone instead.
Only "basic" thing I want MSFT to improve now is desktop IE (ModernUI works fine). At work, our main system (Oracle Siebel) crashes 90% of the time, works fine in all other browsers except Chrome.
You sound just like I've always imagined the Tories of Colonial America sounded.....just sayin
If you really want the 1020, you can pay in full and get AT&T to unlock it for you or orderone off of Amazon.
Fuck Google!

That is all...
Those bastards. That is all!
Google is trying to be like apple now...
What really pisses me of is that I updated to this version without thinking about it, I had the previous version with ability to download. Damn u google....
+920
Daniel confirmed the old version no longer works either. Same key.
Google would be wise to just make the app and get this over with. Why the hell should WP be the only platform to be coded with HTML5?! This is really getting old.
google really turned me off over the past couple years. i only have one thing left with them, adsense. might be time to cut the last thread.
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what just happened?
I reckon you don't understand southern accent.
not sure what was more work, writing that or reading it.
Did Boomhauer join WP Central?
Wtf. How did you even will yourself to even type that much? lol
Drugs.
Time to switch, im using dailymotion now..itz amazing .really i missed DM..thanks to youtube
We all need to boycott Google. They don't offer a single thing that we can't get somewhere else, and without being Scroogled.
+925.

(except youtube)
I agree. First order of business is to abandon chrome. Uninstall it and don't use it. Its spam anyway. Make sure you remove it from that HIDDEN directory it installs in. It will continue to do its dirt even if you uninstall it.
Get your friends and family on board. Start a Facebook / Twitter / Instagram movement. Use Firefox, IE Opera, Safari on the desktop ANYTHING but google chrome.
I'm using an amazing"tube pro" from us region
Another anti consumer choice by Google.
If Vimeo didn't limit upload sizes like they do I would have no use for YouTube or Google. As a former Android user I hate Google with every ounce of my being.
Fuck google
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
So as suspected it's not about the ad revenue or the content providers, because if it were google would be jumping at this, html5 or no. This proves it is some petty anticompetitive vendetta against windows phone. If this doesnt cause infinite bad press for google then microsoft is doing something wrong.
Really unbelievable. I hope Google gets a BIG black eye for this!
And this is EXACTLY why I'm rocking with Metrotube. Ridiculous that these companies are acting like children fighting over M&Ms . For Google, more people using YouTube will only HELP the company they bought. To alienate those who willingly choose a different mobile platform, surely wouldn't have me running into the arms of Android. Its about choice and my choice of WP as my platform should not be used against me. If I was MS I'd just forget it and make it very public what's happening to them and their consumers.
+1 for MetroTube
Move the WPCentral youtube channel to Vimeo. This in all honesty is ridiculous. I can't believe Scroogle is allowed to use these types practices. If this were Mircosoft a few years ago this would be on every tech site, but since it Scroogle it makes it ok for them to do this. Complete bs.
yes, vimeo
+10000000
Just modify windows 8.1 to make it impossible to use chrome,gmail,youtube and google services on computers.
Remove all the office,skype and other support from android and chrome os
Exactly..

Dont need to remove office and Skype... but give error while installing chrome, while using gmail, and google services.. just say it is OS bug. lets seee what happens.
Well google, you effin suck. Will officially be migrating from Gmail back to my old hotmail for good. W.e way I can hurt them, I will
OmG, what a bloated pile of self indulged kunds ;) has google become. I thought that only the movie sucked!!!
If Google was playing Fair they would hand Microsoft an HTML5 Client and say "Here: modify the backend APIs for Windows Phone. The Web Service Calls and Look and Feel are complete and uniform across all our platforms.".

The answer is to create a better platform than youTube. It's so over. It looks and smells like it was designed in the MySpace. era. It demands replacement.
That answer only works if you can get YouTube's CONTENT. Without that, you can have the best interface in the universe and you still have nothing.
WRONG! Here in China we've had a Google-free zone ever since they ran away squeeling like a stuck pig when a little Chinese company beat the crap out of them. You don't "need" all that content. In fact you don't "need" anything from Google. But I'll bet somewhere in your life, school or office you'll "need" Microsoft.

So if we all have to choose, there's no point in choosing Google. RIP.
Where you miscalculate is that most of society could not care less what Google is doing or not doing to Windows Phone. Asking them to take a stand for an operating system they don't own and most likely don't want anything to do with is pointless.

What is their incentive to stop using YouTube? Why would they NOT watch all the content that is on YouTube? Why would they even TRY something else, when all the content is on YouTube already?

I don't specifically know the situation in China you are talking about, but it wouldn't surprise me if the government had a hand in it one way or another... but in the US I don't see any way to stop YouTube unless they introduce something that is so unpaletable to the average viewer that it drives them to alternatives.
Well, fuck you very much Google!
I'm very curious what Google has to say about this.
Google is just plain evil. Period.
Best thing Microsoft can do is ramp up a competing service. In the mean time they should release the old app and tell google to stuff it.
They had one, it was called Soapbox, and it went nowhere.
I'm not suffering. I love WP and am happy to have resurrected my old MS email. Down with Google's fancy spam!
just launch a new video platform to compete with youtube or buy an existing one and make it better! im sure azure servers can commit to that ;)
Who's right ... who's wrong ... who killed Roger Rabbit....
The only FACT here is that Google is clearly biased against Microsoft...kinda nice to see that Google views Windows Phone as a big enough threat to resort to such shameless tricks...
This is getting ridiculous
How does html5 makes any difference to google as you tube app is running on windows phone. For accessing youtube api, it does not matter whether you are using html5 or flash
Just advised my IT department to implement a complete Google block for my company. No more chrome allowed on any computer, google blocked, Gmail blocked, YouTube blocked and I will replace all current android phoned with WP devices. The reason is simple: if one of my vendors forces me into exclusivity, I will go exclusively with the one who doesn't. And I will happily tell my customers about the reason, should they ask.
Let the revolution begin !!!
You mean like Microsoft with Exchange? Windows Phone can't sync with my Cal/CardDAV accounts (the open standard).
In the newest update Windows Phone can
No.

You can only set up a Google account.
Google is giving us more BS as WP marketshare starts to grow however slowly.. More will come peeps, that's to be expected. It's almost like a war..
Sure glad I took the stance I did... I decided to avoid this app BECAUSE they were "working" with google on it.
Instead of squabbling they should work together. My 3 year old and 8 year old nephews get on better than Microsoft and Google do and that's saying something!!
While I get your point, your nephews don't have billions of dollars invested in keeping their world-leading platforms alive. Unless they do, in which case they're totally awesome.
Spot on, Bailey!
Google should be kissing Microsoft's ass for taking the time to make this app. Google sure as hell won't.
Not right now, but if Microsoft adds the YouTube blocking in the recent case against Google and win, Google will be kissing Microsoft's backside to unblock their YouTube develpoer key and not slapped with a heavy fine. (Google knows that US Dollar's higher than the inflated Euro)
Fuck Google. That is all.
Glad I never went the Google route.
Me too. Apparently that road leads straight to hell.
#pureevil needs to be started as a label for Scroogle. Just like Larry Ellison said they were.
No win situation. Plan b
Google are starting to release that windows phone is going to become a threat to them! Bunch of ***kers! I done work in their building in Dublin a while back, sorry I didn't do a shit job !!!
Google can go fuck themselves. Not fair is an understatement! Why does Android and iOS get YouTube but not us? Pure c*nts.
Google today is what Microsoft use to be......that is true.........with market share comes a lot of corporate thugs always trying to one up on another company but not through fare competition but through greed, laws, loopholes and excuses.....these type of act do not create innovation but create only copies
If I wouldn't have updated the YouTube app would the error still appear?
Yes....
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure the previous app didn't use a developer key, and I have seen people saying that the old one still works.
Reason #3423 why I hate google
Maybe for once the EU can be useful with their "competition and monopoly" BS?!
Damn. This is fucking retarded instagram. Vine google. Wtf. Lets all block windows phone. Lol
I'm starting my move to Vimeo. YouTube is the last service I use from them.
I tried that, but its not that great....i do use Bing more then google now
I don't know about vimeo, but for bing, not just most of the time, i use bing ALL the time :)
MS: stop it!!!!! Just re-release the app you did two months ago. Done.
Just deleted my Gmail account. I can live without You Tube on the internet, there are plenty other options!!!
It's bad enough that Youtube is basically the only useful video plattform. And it sucks that it still doesn't support more than 30FPS and that the GUI is getting more and more idiotic with every iteration, not to mention the atrocious touch support of their video player.
But this just makes it plainly retarded.

I really wish there was an alternative to Youtube. A GOOD alternative.
You tube will die out one day to another.....question is will we still care in 20-30 years
Ah, the more pressure on Windows Phone, the higher it can fly!
Yep. All press is good press in the particular scenario.
Except most people read things like this and think "shit, I can't even watch YouTube on WP? Forget it!"
Finally. It's nice to see Microsoft taking the initiative here and sticking up for their users. I wonder what Google's response will be.
"Windows Phone users should learn their place", probably.
Burn in hell, google!
Google is scared that microsoft may rule mobile aswell.... Loosers
No they won't. They are the evil ... Ruler of hell :p
Microsoft doesn't know how to fight a war with the likes of Google, so here are my suggestions.

1. Buy up some up and coming EA and Gameloft titles, I'm thinking, the most hyped up games -- e.g. Asphalt 8, Modern Combat 5, Real Racing 4, etc. Release them on Windows Phone, Windows, iOS, Xbox One -- skip out Android.

2. Stop updating the Android Skype app, beyond basic repairs.

3. Try buying up Flipboard Inc, and take it off Android (except for Kindle, let's just F with them).

4. Stop licensing Windows Phone, make it free to all OEMs, but be extra aggressive about patent fees on Android.

5. Identify start-ups with lots and lots of potential and promise, buy them up, the next FB/Twitter/Flipboard/Vine/Instagram will be among them.
Some old timers at google hate Microsoft....from the time Microsoft came out with Bing.....that was the end of there friendship....
Actually, MS has more OS marketshare than Google if you add in Windows XP/Vista/7/8/RT, so I think it's a move MS could take, with most of their services, but the smartest thing to do would be to make native apps (Office, Skype, Skydrive, etc, etc) unavailable to Android and Chrome OS, and force them to be HTML5 apps.
Or, preferably, Microsoft could totally continue doing it this way and make a statement that says "THIS is how you treat your users! Not the Scroogle way!"
That would hopefully do some difference if that would spread to all major techsites.
You took the words out of my mouth, I couldn't agree with you any more. I was thinking that Microsoft needs to fight back by blocking Skype, Office, Skydrive & block Outlook integration on Android/Google/Motorola devices. Enough is enough & this Google versus Microsoft nonsense needs to end. This will only lead to bad press for Google that they want to monopolize the market.
Does anybody know how much Facebook or tweeter is worth....hey Microsoft buy one of them and then change the API or whatever so it doesn't work on android....lol....oh wait that would be a law suit.....
“degraded experience” Caused by your luck of support for Microsoft's app, much less an official app from yourself, Google! Get over it.
Whilst Microsoft has clearly broken the rules Google put in place - something they openly accept - those rules were unnecessary in the first place.
Google has no reason to insist Microsoft develops the app in HTML5, when their apps are native. No HTML5 app on any platform that supports it has comparable performance to a native code version, a point proven by Facebook last year when they ditched their HTML5-based app on Android and replaced it with a native code version. I used Android at the time and, needless to say, the performance difference was night and day.
The advertising issues are beyond Microsoft's control. They've had to reverse engineer the APIs as it is, if Google just gave them the data it would be fine. Plus bear in mind that even in its incomplete state, Google are receiving ad revenue via the WP app, something which Microsoft implemented at their own expense!
As for the trademark complaint and performance... the old web bookmark with vastly inferior performance was okay, then?
Google owns youtube service so is their right to make a native version for iOS and Android. This is normal if so is stated in TOS. The problem is there are lot of apps not using those terms and google only chooses to go for MS. If they insist for the TOS to be respected Metro Tube or whatever other apps and services must be brought down as well. Otherwise is proof of bad intent and is anticompetitive
What about all the third party youtube clients on Android that are native code and let you even download videos for offline. Google plans to revoke their developer key too??
Hell is for you google!!
Well i had enough, I just deleted my Gmail account & YouTube, I'll take my stuff on other services
I used to dream about working at Google, and I really looked up to their way of doing things. That time has passed.
Bye bye google.
To be honest it was pretty stupid from MS to release a client called YouTube which looks like it's something official without getting the consent from Google first. A company that sued Lindows over name infringement has no right to complain about Google now.
Not surprised, it was expected after so much time has passed since MS pulled.

I think ms figured the app would be ready to go weeks after, but google pretty much just bait and switched them and forced their hand to release.

I dont think google had any intentions to make this easy for MS at all.
I'm sorry, but what's the need for a YouTube app? I mean, you can always go to the mobile website and play videos from there, right? That's what I always do.
Still, I agree, Google is evil and we really need a Microsoft replacement.
Same here. It just that most people still want them, and google know this. That's why they cripple this.
+1 reason why i don't buy android or iphone (iphone NO more :) ) or scroogle search. Windows phone 8 is amazing. And Microsoft Bing is amazing now with perfect result. Maybe all customers see NOW what going on.
I think Microsoft needs to start screwing with its Skype app for Android!! Give them a taste of their own medicine.
That just means there will be few Skype users, which is bad for Microsoft. Android has a huge marketshare that Microsoft doesn't want to lose. Windows Phone has a small marketshare that Google is apparently fine with losing.
How about making sure Chrome stops working on every Windows desktop after next set of Windows Update!
Make Chrome slow pathing the Windows OS
I still say screw 'em. I wouldn't be surprised if Google is around the corner of releasing their own Android, Google-branded video messaging service of their own. It's probably near. But in the meantime, screw 'em.
Google = #pureevil
Google has become the Microsoft of the 90's... Time for the goverments of the world to start antitrust claims against Google. #googleassholes
That's it guys. This was the last drop. I will now officially end my business with any google service. I will never use any of its services from now on.
'Where to now?'
Did a fellow welsh man write this?
If Google keeps this up by the time I upgrade I might just swtich to Windows Phone and Microsoft's services to stick it too them. I know it's one drop in a giant ocean but this crap makes all the great stuff from Google I love feel really fake. As much as I love Android I won't stick with a Google that breaks the "no evil" policy.
Microsoft does not have numbers in mobile to make a dent by removing their apps on android or removing google apps from windows phone. Where they dominate is desktop. Make Chrome break in the next set of windows update and Google will play ball!
Yup, that's a great idea. Block chrome from all versions of windows until it is rewritten in html5!!

That would learn them. People can still use it on Chrome books (all .000000000000000001 % of people out there) Seriously MS should throw their weight around. Block Chrome from windows, block gmail, youtube from IE because it isn't written in HTML 5. Just cut that crappy advertising company out.
no blocking means it is open to law suit.. just introduce a bug or a virus which makes chrome dead slow and die in 2 minutes. or something like that..
Well Deleted my Youtube app, Haven't used Google in a year and a half. Don't miss any of their products.
How annoying. People want to use your service, Google. What do you really have to lose by letting them? This is the same kind of crap we're getting from Instagram and Pintrest. Twits.
That's it for me for now on no more google fucking services!
Yeah this is bull shit im done with google. Fuck their YouTube I'll stick to the video apps I already have.
Metrotube is all we need..
Microsoft should pull every app they developed for android. EVERY APP
This is a bit pants, but to be fair the old mobile app on wp7 wasn't to bad, it was just so many videos were unavailable. I've got youtube on my Sony Blu ray player, a Tesco tv, Playbook, laptop etc. Still got metro tube on my 920. It will do until they both get their act together, had a youtube account using my hotmail account for years. I was given a gmail account but had never used it.I never knew I'd had any gmails until I bought my wife a galaxy tab 2. She isn't set up with email so I set it up has me then saw loads of mails from youtube and google, Haven't read them yet.
Just deleted chrome from my puter and having my Gmail forwarded to my outlook. I used to like google... Now its history for me. I have no issues dumping the two services I used from them. My partner has agreed to dump his android and get a Nokia 1020. I'm jealous.
Myspace > Google+.
Google = #pureevil
"it does seem that Google here is behaving rather dishonestly."

LOL this must be a joke. Everyone knows, that Google itself is a dishonest company. It is a thief and spy. It uses "a stolen product" and offers it for free. Not everyone knows that Google tracks everything you do. Your whole life in internet will be saved and sold for anyone who is willing to pay for that information.
There is one fresh statement Google brainfarted out recently:
"Google: Email Users Can't Legitimately Expect Privacy When Emailing Someone On Gmail "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/13/gmail-privacy_n_3751971.html
Not sharing all the resources needed and then complaining that the app offers a "degraded experience" is a bit crazy of Google. I hope Google tells their side of the story so we can can see the full picture. Or they should just make the app themselves... That would work. Heh
I really can't see why anyone would think that google wouldn't take this sort of action. They are feeling superior to everyone out there right now, including the consumer. Any company that is arrogant enough to feel this way about the consumer (read article below) shouldn't have anyone's business. So glad I dumped gmail.
http://gizmodo.com/google-gmail-users-have-no-reason-to-expect-privacy-1...
Its about time anti-trust laws hit the cyberspace. In other words you have a monopoly over video streaming service you have to make it available to everybody and every platform, you have a monopoly on email service you have to make it available to everybody to every platform and with the same experience accross the board. Same should go to Google, MS, Apple, etc.
As of right now Google could easily pull all their official YouTube apps and make it Android exclussive and Apple already is doing something like that with iTunes.
Google's motto: Don't be evil. Oh the irony
You reap what you sew. I am just happy I lived to see the day when companies are doing to Microsoft what they did to everyone else in the market for so long. :-)
MS should update Windows to include an ad blocker (that alsk blocks googles text ads). Make it so that it also offers to automatically install an ad blocker on any popular browser one might later install too. Then watch google squirm. I mean, I would reckon that 80%+ of googles advertisement revenue is generated through ads on windows computers. Hit google back where it hurts. Cite "a move to protect our customers privacy on our computer" or something like that.
This plus a 1000. MS could easily put unbearable pressure on Google thru simple system and browser updates that would give users warning about their data and privacy being at risk for any Google service they use. Google would soon find out the bitch of the truth that MS owns the desktop.
It appears to be a banner week for Google. They start it by acknowledging in legal depositions that gmail users do not have a reasonable expectation to email privacy (as in Google violations not NSA). Now it looks like they will end it by re-engaging in the anti-competitive practices that had them put on notice by the courts last year.
I can't believe Google is being this stupid.
Ms, just launch a competitor to YouTube. The end.
HTML5 is just not up to the job. Google are demanding an inferior experience if they are demanding that. That is anticompetitive. There is a reason apps exist.

Started moving my Google App accounts to Microsoft today... they finally pushed me over the edge. All the changes to gmail, adding promotion tabs etc. just add to the desire to leave.

Once a Google evangelist, now a Google antagonist.
Apparently ms is an honest company lately?wow this is news..like calling the kettle. Black.or something.
How long will Microsoft keep their sissy-attitude? Jesus Christ, you have a legal team...USE IT!
Lame... Even in Chrome on desktop, YouTube does not run fully in HTML5. All videos with ads are shown in Flash. So clearly an impossible task for Microsoft to provide an app without "degraded experience"
You know what i jsut did. I just changed my default search engine from Google to Bing. I can't believe i did that - i NEVER care about companies (i.e. i'm not loyal to any) but this behaviour made me think twice about using any of google's services.
Good job Google, you were my default search engine for >10 years!! (previous was altavista), thnaks for making me make the switch to bing.
Its time for MS to retaliate. Block everything Google from installing on PC's.
So, Google gives Microsoft "permission" to finally have a proper YouTube app only to pull the rug out from under them to make them look bad.
Fuck u google!!!!! Bastards!!
google every day push me to drop my Samsung galaxy to the toilet and get a nokia lumia 925 screw you google
... just block all Google services on all windows platforms and leave them with their shitty android devices...
Google is really starting to piss me off but all the news this year don't bode well for Windows. It's those small standard basic things that are scaring people off, when you take into consideration everything it looks bad for this platforms future.
Once again Google is being both anti-competitive and anti-consumer. Maybe Larry Ellison was correct.
You know, I used to love Google because they were the company that supported all platforms. Windows, Mac, Linux....they were there. What happened?
Sue there a$$
Fuck you, Google. I'm just about done with YouTube at this point.
I tweeted to those fuckers too smh
This only solidifies my decision to get out of the iOS and google ecosystems and into windows and wp. I'm deleting my google accounts ASAP.
I love the windows OS on my phone, but once I get my upgrade, I don't know if I'll be keeping it. Its a great platform for phones but its just becoming too much of a hassle not being able to do things that I can very easily do on an iPhone. I will not be getting an android phone if I do end up switching though.
I am on the same boat as you.
Android is a big joke, so no questions theere... I love WP, but with all these tirades from competition, the pains of being an early adopter is becoming more and more manifest. iOS suddenly become even more stable than it already is. Congrats, Tim Cook!
Don't be evil: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/14/google_cloud_users_have_no_legit...
That would be pretty cool if all google services got blocked on pc's hahaha I'm not really a part of the google eco system either way i only use YouTube
I figured that Microsoft forgot to do something, obviously not the case. Google are real SOBs. Shame on them for forcing Microsoft hand and pulling this garbage. Microsoft probably should have just put out the press release without re-releasing the app, but having Google block the app obviously made for a bigger news story and makes Google look bad. I was never a big Google supporter, I never setup a Gmail account or anything, and I don't really use YouTube much directly, but I am done with them.
I love it how google said trust us with your information and everything should be open for everyone. I'm happy Microsoft is making more on android then google is. I hope people start realize how full of sh.. Google is.
Take to twitter with @Microsoft @msftnews and @windowsphone against @google. #donoevil
Lets make a scene.
Its very obvious why Google is manufacturing these hollow requirements. They genuinely see MS as a threat and will do everything in their power to prevent any growth from them in the smartphone market. If MS gathers momentum Google knows they're fucked.
Exactly.
Apple has a grip on the high end smartphone market, MS has a firm grip on the desktop and enterprise market. Now Nokia and WP seem to be going after the low to mid smartphone market, something that was previously android's bread and butter. Google sees MS as threat with the full ecosystem of devices, services and software that MS offers.
Come to think of it, YouTube is Google's only weapon against Microsoft.
I mean, Microsoft products are now way better than the Google products we all had in the past (take Outlook.com's premium-feeling webmail to Gmail for instance).
Don't be evil! Ha... There's a load if ever there was.
Since Google clearly doesn't want me to use their YouTube product, I have decide to block YouTube.com on my router. Seems fair.
Looks like Microsoft is now getting Scroogled... LOL... but seriously, Google is really behaving like children! it begs the question... why? Could it be fear of a soon to be very competitive opponent??... mmmm
It's really looking like Google are Scroogling themselves. They'll eventually be an official, working Youtube app on Windows Phone. By hook or by crook. Google are really just looking like assess for delaying the inevitable. And then all would ask, wtf did they gain by it??
YouTube letting Google buy them was probably the dumbest shit they could have ever followed through with. They really haven't benefitted the platform at all IMHO
This is OUTRAGEOUS !!!!
I've wanted to do it for years but this finally gave my the guts too. Google account for YouTube deleted. Free at last! Free at last!
What an embarrassment Google. At first it seemed like fair game tactics. Now, your making yourself look more and more despicable the more lame excuses you come up with. Seriously, WTF is going on?? The feds need to step in and slap them with an antitrust before it's too late.
Surely this cross' monopoly line. Certainly in the EU this is questionable and MS have been stung for less.
+1, so true.
Burn Google. I hate you so much right now.. I use Chrone for my p0rn sessions (don't want to degrade my classy IE) but it seems I'm switching to Opera now! All kidding aside though, fuck you. I don't like swearing but this is ridiculous..
Microsoft never works well with others yet expects everyone else to comply.
Unfortunately the users suffer, but ms crying fowl is pure hypocrisy. MS has always bent the rules, threw out standards, and played hardball with competitors. This is nothing more than a song and dance.
Yep. Sad but true.
Go back to your Droid site. Last I checked, Microsoft products work near universally. If you can't see the fault of Google here, then you are too blinded by your fandom.
I've never used a DROID, in fact my first smartphone was a windows phone, you know what they say when you assume you make an ASSout of you. That said Microsoft products don't work well universally they work well on their platform and sort of on an other platforms. Not only that their halo apps only work for the xbox and windows
What Halo apps, you mean the single game Spartan assault? HALO Waypoint is available for both iPhone and Android. Either way, that is a completely different matter.
If a Microsoft product isn't working well on another platform then its probably that platforms fault.
Microsoft apps are often better with more features on iPhone & Android, case in point - Skype.
You would have to be blind or ignorant to not see Google's fault in this situation.
Fuck google. Closed my accounts year ago
So first Google just told Microsoft to take down their app because it had too many features and too few ads, which is dickish but not altogether odd, and now that they've collaborated on the new app, Google has rendered it useless just to irritate Microsoft (especially when they didn't comply with their counterproductive demands)? This has crossed the line from anti-competitive tendencies to full-on corporate bullying. Get bent, Google.
be aware the m.youtube mobile site still works for my 1020
+1020 = FUCK GOOGLE !!!!!!! :-P
Already deleted the YouTube app from my phone, and my Gmail account:)
Lots of folks commenting on here about there not being another service like YouTube. I have seen mention of DailMotion. What about Vimeo? Of Viddler?
As important as Goog is to tech advancements / R&D, etc., there is LOTS OF LIFE TO BE HAD WITHOUT THEM.
I have also seen folks comment that there is even a YouTube app for BB10. Just curious - anyone know if it is just a port of the Android app?
Anyway, BOO GOOGLE, and please MSFT - PLEASE - keep your head. Don't retaliate and get into a PR nightmare with the general public. There are still sooo many tech consumers that have no clue - they just know / use what they hear is good or they can get for cheap, and I gotta say - there is waaay too much anti-Microsoft press out there.
Let's go MSFT... don't lose momentum with the WP platform!
It would be nice if someone would remove those stupid web wrapper apps clouding the view of any decent apps that don't run solely through a web frame. You'd get people using these stupid apps that are just a shortcut to m.youtube.com versus using something decent like metrotube.
Well damn. I never knew MS went through so much trouble for us. Thank you Microsoft! This app, while a failure, does show that you care about us. Also sticking myTube in the future.
Funny how the fandroids come out of the wood work to try and turn the tables.
Microsoft should take off the skype from google play. Just saying.
I'll stop to use Chrome, Internet Explorer is now good enough for use.
And in the 8.1 IE8 has synchrony of favorites, so it's enough for me, I don't use extensions, so it simply.
I never liked google...ever. Any company that touts so loudly about doing no evil immediately sounds off alarms for me. Google was never about being a kind and friendly company, it a pr ploy that worked very well. I never liked google search, I always seemed to get more spam in my Gmail account, google maps was ok, and never really used any other service from them. You can't tell me the google doesn't favor sites over others. And it really bothers me that google tracks everything I do on their services and the sells that info. The funny thing is Microsoft got in to huge trouble with the EU because it didn't offer a customer a list of browser options when windows was installed. Which was really stupid considering Microsoft never blocked installation of other browsers. And lets not forget the whole windows 98/me mess here in the us. Microsoft has done some shady things in the past, but they never outright blocked an application. So far google has been made if Teflon, nothing has stuck yet, they already got off with a handslap from the EU. But, I suspect this will soon change.
Google's Evil! Apple is Greedy! And MS is just Stupid!.... Nuff Said!
This is so pathetic, I can't believe Google is still doing this kind of crap. I can't stand it. We should boycott them and drop all of their services altogether. It was indeed bad news when they bought YouTube. Google is the cancer in todays technology world.
Microsoft should do the same to scroogle...

block outlook.com to all chrome broswer... ask google to make a lot of change to there broswer and then, ask for more...

and why not, blocking all android device form using skyp...

if Microsoft play the same game, Scroogle mith understand some day..
That is not the best way to get at them. The best way is to make Chrome break in the next set of security patches. Ask them to write Chrome using JavaScript app that runs inside IE to get Microsoft approval!
Sue the hell out of the bastards!!!!!
Google shows everybody that they are OpenSource, etc... but they are they real EVIL trying to be a Angel in front of Apple and Microsoft. Lying to the customers...
MIcrosoft should patch windows to Make Chrome SLOWWWWW as hell.
Microsoft needs to break all of Google's apps/products on Windows (maybe just for 24 hours). Show 'em that Google needs Microsoft to survive. Kill all their stuff on Windows, again, maybe not permanently, but just for a little while. Until they cave...
Wow... I actually had some respect for Google up until yesterday (when they killed the app). Fuck 'em.
I'm sorry but I have to blame MS for this one. The app worked great right before Google had a fit. They were pissed because it was the best YouTube app on any platform. That's the version I had. Then came the update. Revert the damn thing back to when Google started crying. Then sabotage the Google PC search engine and make everyone use Bing. Lets sit back and watch like they do us.
I use Windows Phone and Windows 8, but taking sides with Microsoft over Google? Not happening, at least not in this case. I have Gmail and a YouTube account. I have not been Scroogled. Microsoft, on the other hand, is Scroogling itself purple with delusional advertising, and now they want a functional official YouTube app? It's going to be a while. Google is in no hurry.
Scroogling deal is more them proved...
Stop freaking using YouTube altogether.
I believe when this first started Google said they haven't programmed one for Windows Phone because there aren't enough users... But apparently a 0.0002% market share is enough for them to keep programming for Chrome OS.
Uh, wut? First, Windows Phone doesn't run HTML5 apps natively, which I'm sure Google know (and this is probably the reason they chose this specifically). Sure you can use Phonegap or something similar, but I'm sure (educated speculation) that Google would have an issue with those too. Second, HTML5 experiences are 99% of the time largely inferior to native experiences (again, I'm sure this was also a factor in requesting it). They just don't work, and HTML5 is still a long way from being a viable development platform for high quality mobile apps (I speak from experience). Lastly, where in Google's developer ToS does it state that an app must be built in HTML5? They even offer non-HTML5 libraries (albeit none in C#). They can't revoke a developer key unless the ToS have been violated, hence why they have given the vague issue of 'some videos don't play ads' which sounds intentionally vague as to slow down any resolution as much as possible.
I don't need no stupid YouTube
Bless me, father, for I have sinned.
I read the AndroidCentral post about this hoping they'd have something on Google's reply (I got nada). Then I scrolled through the comments section and could not contain myself, so I JUST HAD TO COMMENT TOO. Now, I feel as if I have opened the gates to hell.
#notetoself: NEVER POST ON ANDROIDCENTRAL AGAIN.
Fuck Google. They have become the new apple of the internet. Don't be evil, sure Google sure. I hope they choke to death
All Microsoft needs to do is block Google Ads on Windows PCs for a month and watch them burn.
Seriously, coded in HTML5?! What's going to be different from watching from I.E and watching from the app??? This is insane.
Microsoft needs to go back and re-release the older version of the youtube app (the one that they voluntarily pulled a few months back) that blocked the ads and allowed users to download the videos until Google stops acting like a little bitch.
Google is JEALOUS.. I wonder if Samsung,apple have something to do with this..
Ok I know that most people are aware of YouTube app problem on WP, but that shouldn't stop people from buying a WP.. Hahahaha
Download metro tube its a lot better than the MSFT created.. Ad free
Thats why I hate google...Its like Hitler is reborn in the form of google founders...They block anybody who's making money or is ambitious.they ruin and sabotage small company by imposing thier own rules and criteria,let alone big companies..this is how cheap they are..
For me, Lumia900 wp7.8 none of the YouTube apps seem to work. I normally use Metrotube with limited success and it stopped now just as the MS Youtube app, and TubePro also refuses to play video. Only the mobile website seems to work.
I moved from android to windows phone because google was giving me the shits, and now, they're still haunting me!
I won't forget how petulant they are acting. If I ever have to leave Windows Phone, I will choose an iPhone over an Android handset.
pick Firefox or Sailfish. Go from one evil to another evil is no good either
I use Youtube. There are things that I like and dislike about it. However, I am a Windows Phone user. I am not going to get upset that Google has blocked the Microsoft developed Youtube app from functioning on my platform. That is their choice to do so. I am a consumer and I also have choices. I will just find another service that works for me on my chosen mobile platform. However, it is downright sad when your competitior offers a genuine helping hand to promote your product to the consumers on their platform and you turn around and block them. Strong message sent there. We don't need you and we aren't concerned about our users on your platform. Then...to Microsoft....maybe you need to work with other companies interested in users of your mobile platform? Vimeo...dailymotion....etc? Just my cent and a half. :)
Very interesting to see the way Google treats their customers. Quick shocking really.
I hope this influences people to decide whether to use Google's software at home, school and office. Seems to me they just plain can't be trusted. Then again, we all already knew that.
I say return the favor on the desktop. UNLOAD GOOGLE CHROME. And get to the hidden crap they install as well.
In Windows XP it will be installed in
C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Local Settings\Application Data\Google\Chrome
Local Settings folder is a hidden folder, to see hidden folder go to tools -> Folder Options -> View tab -> and make sure show hidden files and folders is checked.
In Windows Vista it will be installed in C:\Users\UserName\AppDataLocal\Google\Chrome
AppDataLocal folder is a hidden folder, to see hidden folder go to tools -> Folder Options -> View tab -> and make sure show hidden files, folders and drives is checked.
In Windows 7 it will be installed in
C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local\Google
AppData folder is a hidden folder, to see hidden folder go to tools -> Folder Options -> View tab -> and make sure show hidden files, folders and drives is checked.
Only live video section is Working. google- idoits.
They will make me use bing ffs... I hate Google cause they punish WP users not MS. Microsoft was only try a here and now solution and Google proved they are douchebags
What happened to the good old days when you could run your Microsoft products with Google services just fine? This is fucking stupid. Nice try Microsoft, Fuck you google.
Yeah... Google can kiss my ass. We're moving all of our private domains away from gmail and google docs, and over to Microsoft. I refuse to buy ANY Android ANYTHING. And the new Google Maps? What a bloody POS!!! HATE IT!!!
Remember when Microsoft and Bill Gates were the bane of the world? Now Microsoft allows and even encourages "hacking" of Windows smartphones, while Google and Apple sue anyone and everyone. Bill Gates is now one of the world's greatest philanthropists. Apple and Google are now the shameless greedy bastards.
I think we're all forgetting recent history here.
Wasn't it Microsoft who went after *every single* Android OEM with patent infringement suits, like the neighborhood mob enforcer visiting a local business establishment?
Look who's 90's Microsoft now...

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Google with all its philantrophic balloon internet shit, can't allow another company to develop a good app. That's BS.
No more using Google from now on, only Bing. This is war people.
Fuck google!!!
Google said Microsoft hasn't made the upgrades necessary for the app... Sounds to me like they want Chrome on windows phones.
Am I missing something here? How come MetroTube can deliver functionality that Microsoft doesn't seem to be allowed to?
Just when I thought we could all be friends... We just got Scroogled.
Its a Ego war Now between these two company... and we are paying for this.
They want to kill windows phone and ms themselves who for the first place led them to popularity. Greedy they are one day they fall. MS is willing to offer xbox and office to non wp users and yet others are just unfair.
I'll keep saying it: Google sux arse.
Personally don't use Google, G+, Docs, Drive, Voice, Chrome or any other G product because of their autocratic attitude toward users: Google : "We'll share your info with anyone we see fit" "We don't care a fig about Windows Phone users, because Android must succeed at all costs". The latter attitude merits regulatory action at the anti-trust level...
Google should change its company motto to "Be Evil." It's much more accurate.
MS should pull the plug on Skype for andriod.
I would love to pull an update, which would block all G on Windows
Maybe Microsoft should make their cloud services in search & video better so that Windows Phone users do not feel compelled to use Google? Nokia HERE maps are almost as good as Google Maps & Navigation, so that's taken care of. But Bing is not even close to being as good as Google Search and Youtube literally has no competition. Google is going to strangle the life out of Windows Phone if they can.
Fuck you joojel...
Huge disappointment from both companies. It should be about making the users happy, but no they are all acting like children. Same as in the patent war.
Google is mad because microsoft let us watch youtube vids without ads.
Scroogled ads?
Going after Android OEMS with patent infringement suits?
I mean, really, come on. For Microsoft to cry now about unfair tactics is a bit absurd and hypocritical.
The Scroogled ads might leave a slightly bad taste in the mouth but they do make important points that the majority of the public are sadly unaware of. As for paying for patents, why should Google be treated differently than anyone else? If I was to launch a product that used someone elses intellectual property I would expect to pay for it.
Microsoft are far from perfect but Google are just plain evil.
I think if Microsoft wants this turn things around they need to wake up and smell the coffee. They need to work harder and make WP an undeniably awesome platform for users and developers. They need to address all the shortcomings and pay attention to their eco system and not just the competitor's. Eventually things will fall in place,.
Agree 100%
I don't know what to say, i thought google were not this evil. Perhaps it's the right time to say FUCK GOOGLE!!
Microsoft should block Google from Windows OS. Goodbye google.
Well, as a result of this bitching around I'll use Bing as my primary search engine. I don't want a company tell me what plattform I should use, to use their shit 'cause they make it unsable on one plattform, even thought I could use the Internet Explorer to watch videos there, but the app is 100x times better than the shit mobile site of YouTube. But thought I can't give up on YouTube, 'cause there's nothing which could really replace it, which is sad.
Lets see if we can get Google's attention with a Change.org
http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/google-youtube-unblock-the-current-official-youtube-app-for-windows-phone-by-microsoft-2
Makes me even more determined to never own an Android phone or anything google. They obviously don't give a shit about other platform users. I've got better things to do other than look at YouTube anyway. Goodbye Gmail...
I have an android tablet and now I'm going to use it as a Frisbee for my cat. That's right, my cat. That shows you how useless I think Google is. Screw them.
I think google had a taste of revenge against Microsoft........
What revenge? Google used Microsoft's abandoned patents for improving Android and they were sued to pay for using them.

What if you created a software product and someone else used patents you abandoned and claimed that you no longer used them? Of course you'll sue that someone to pay for these abandoned patents! Patents, whether they're used or abandoned always belongs to the patent owners (in that case Microsoft) and nobody or no other company can use them without permission or payment.

So it's not truly Google taking revenge against Microsoft, but Google going against Microsoft and us the Windows Phone users and don't think that Google can patent the name YouTube and the associated app, YouTube is a public video service and cannot be patented.
Microsoft, you were Scroogled!
If Microsoft blocked google and other google stuff in all windows PC, GOOGLE would be shitting their pants and crying for Microsoft help. Probably 90% of people use windows in their PC so...
The comments for M$ to pull or disable every M$ service or license from Google are not only thinking with their emotions, but obviously do not work in this very competitive business. With M$ at the bottom of many of these services and products (with little market share in the phone community), it would be disasterous for them to pull such a knee-jerk reaction. Furthermore, the media would have a field day. Many of them are still very anti-M$, regardless of how much Google has started to be seen as a tech bully.

The best thing to do is stop bitching here and voice your displease at google; be it Twitter, Facebook, email support, blogs, whatever. If YOU use a google service, tell Google to stop the immaturity. YOU are the customer.

In the mean time, stop using YouTube and use services like DailyMotion, Blip.TV, Vimeo, ZippCast, or Metacafe.
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Shouldn't there be a class action law suit against this kind of thing. The whole idea of open standards and services is that we should be able to consume information in any form we choose and any platform we choose. Google's behaviour is attrocious and they need to be taught a lesson. Unfortunately, it's the public who have enabled them and only we can stop them by not investing in there technologies if it's too restrictive. This is the same beast that Microsoft was 15 years ago... and I'm glad to see how Microsoft have changed to become more supportive of open standards. Now we just need Apple, Google, and others to do the same!
In the meantime... I'd like to see the Youtube unblocked by Google immediately or I will most certainly move away from there services and won't be recommending them to anyone. Alternatively, most quality videos these days tend to be on Vevo anyway - and there's an app for that already.
They should block Skype for all android devices..not all android devices uses Skype anyways.. Let the war begin
+1020
Great point! Let the war begin!
phuck google. they are the enemy.
I haven't searched on google in over 3 years.
Haven't used google docs, email or any other offering of theirs.
As Cartman would say "How would you like to suck my balls Mr Garrison?!"
http://mostplays.com/play/A_Cartman_Soundboard_5328
MS should start MyTube. Forget YouTube (GooTube). Make it GoTube. People will eventually add content to it. Give a better ad profit share than Google. People will definitely post their content.
Unistalled youtube. Quit Google+ too. Gmail is next... Why?? Because I can... !!
And Google's slogan is "Don't be evil"...Isn't that ironic at this moment?
google is such an A** h***
Fuck google!!
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/08/16/tech-smackdown-google-microsoft-a...
FUCK GOOGLE AND THE ASSHATS WHO SUPPORT THEM.
Just download metrotube..
Hey Google, you've changed. You're evil now.
As much as I love my Nexus 7 and am tied in with so many Google products (granted I've been with Blogger & YouTube since before Google owned them), I'm just getting sick of them.
This was a cheap shot with the app. But it doesn't stop there for me.
Many changes with Gmail I absolutely despise, and I find the mail is now worse.
The new/future Google maps is brutal. The current/original one is IMO perfect.
The last batch of changes with YouTube have me going there far less.
Laziness is keeping me from switching my blog over to WP.
Chrome updates are hit and miss. Some are great, some have me using Firefox.
I actually like Google+ (mainly because I hate Facebook).
The lack of a Google Drive app for Windows Phone has me using Skydrive on my Lumia 520, Nexus 7 and PC.
And lastly the search, which I didn't truly realize until today. I was searching for a product and simply couldn't find it on Google. When I went to Bing, they didn't find it initially, however had a suggestion on the side of alternative search terms, which found it instantly. When I tried Google again with Bing's suggested term, they still couldn't find what I was looking for.
I remember now why I switched from Android to WP8, and this makes it more evident. Google is playing bully to competition, and is going directly against their own mission statement of openness and freedom of data with the Internet. Shame on you, Google, and go Microsoft!
Can you confirm if this source is real as Microsoft's answer to Google? http://bit.ly/17sN7Aj
Confirmed.
Thank you Josh Harman. We will see what Google has to say.
Agreed fuck Google.
509 coments lol never thought id see wp users so fired up
Now its the time to make a own video service bingtube or something:
http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2013/08/07/bing-apps-released-for-windows-phone-8.aspx

Google will always try to make things hard for Windows Phone users.
@google @youtube #donoevil @Microsoft @windowsphone
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2013/08/16/7348019.htm
Don't be evil
I'm glad MetroTube fit my needs :-) This way i don't have to spoil my Phone with Google things :-)
All these are what MS want.
At one moment Google is fighting internet censorship and at the other it censure a certain community. How hypocritical? They have contradicted their own idea of free and fair internet access to everyone! That too for silly reasons. #disgusting
this is a disgrace. its gone to a new low that they are happy to make their customers lives a misery.
Youtube/Google is enjoying an unnecessary monopoly. Microsoft should team up with Yahoo, or other big name to launch an alternative to Youtube. I think we the users deserve it. Maybe an unprecendented alliance with Vimeo might be the course of action.
I am so sick of Google and their anti Microsoft attitudes. Microsoft made the effort to make an awesome YouTube app for Windows Phone and Google thinks it's funny to crush it. In my opinion, Google is scared of Windows Phone and it's future success and wants to crush it now before it really gets going. I have been using Windows Phone now for a few months and I have to say that the Windows Phone is awesome.
http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/google-youtube-unblock-the-current...
It's fun to watch the little petulant 6-year-olds at Google try to flex their "Search Engine Muscle" against Microsoft. Pitiful. Microsoft can end them at any moment by blocking Google's search engine on all Windows devices.
All I can say is, use this https://adblockplus.org.
All I can say is, use this https://adblockplus.org.
Child's play at a high level!!
If you block 1 platform due to regulations.....let at least 2 others continue whilst all 3 are using html5....is beyond my comprehension!!!
Bring google to court for discrimination.....!!!!!!
Still no signs... App still broken...
This is silly and will backfire on Google.
That's very interesting: if Google want's Microsoft to base the app on HTML 5, why don't they make a HTML app themselves for Android and iOS?
Greediness runs in the veins of Google.
wow what a dick move
ms should yank the skype app on android
Utter rubbish both arguments are lame, to code a video player in HTML5 is not as hard and time-consuming as Microsoft is trying to make it out to be! I mean, they make Windows, Office and other crappy software so why would making an HTML5 Youtube video player be so hard for them? Rubbish on that claim right there! I could make it for them if they wanted and free to boot! Now, Google is being a dick (as usual) for pulling that one on old MS, but their position is a bit more defendable, they want to slowly phase out non-HTML5 Youtube players so 'every new player that comes out has to be HTML5' is an argument they can use to support being the dicks they are over there at Google! Talk about 'being evil.' Wonder what Firefox OS is like - gonna get me a phone that runs it when me Nokia E71 (running Symbian) stops working. I am steering clear of iOS, Android and Windows phone - all made by horrible irresponsible companies who view users as dollar bills.
maybe its time for a monopoly commison to look at you tube and googles ownership of it. Its definatly cause windows phones issues and well business. Maybe theres a presedent for both these issues, either way time to sort it out not only for microsoft but also any future companies that google might prevent haveing you tube, after all you tube really belongs to the internet or at least should.

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