More Treo 800w Details Surface?

Folks looking to win in our Rumortastic Treo 800w giveaway have some more fodder to work with trying to guess the date and win that Treo. A new user in our forums, the mysterious anonuser, has two posts to his or her name, but they're interesting and sound pretty darn legit. Anon claims to have seen an internal document that fills us in on some new deets.

The first gives us plenty of reasons to be excited, as it confirms some previous rumors and gives us hope that Palm has finally seen the light and is dropping their horrendous “Athena” connector:

The Treo 800w (from Sprint) will have a mini-USB plug on the bottom of the device. It's about as thin as a Centro, and actually feels quite nice in the hand. It will ship with WinMo 6, and will be compatible with WinMo 6.1 once an update is released. Not a whole lot of feature upgrades, but does make it compatible with Microsoft System Center Mobile Device Manager 2008. Along with the classic on/off switch for the ringer, there is a convenient WiFi on/off button. I tried the camera out, and at 2.0mp, it took decent pictures, though I didn't have a chance to upload them to my PC to look over. It also comes standard with an EvDO Rev. A radio, bluetooth 2.0 +EDR, and 802.11g WiFi. [...] This device is slated to be released in April of this year.

Nice, eh? The second post confirms that we will indeed get aGPS on this baby plus adds some specification goodness:

The Treo 800W has MicroSD and 256MB memory. I believe there is another 128MB for something else, but I can't remember what the document said. [...]Oh, and there's no more headphone jack on the device, you'll have to utilize the mini-usb plug with an adapter, or use bluetooth wireless.

We don't know anonuser (he or she is, after all, anonymous, but we will say that the info has the ring of truth to it. April is quite a bit later than we'd hoped for, but for a thin, touchscreen, GPS, WiFi, 320x320 power-device like this, we're willing to wait!

...just might be time for you to change your guess in the Treo 800w contest, eh? (remember, kids, the date has to be two weeks out from the day you guess)

207 Comments
  • looks like a new sprint roadmap has leaked and the REAL follow up to the 700w/wx series won't be released until quarter 1 2008. "Q1-2008
    Treo 800w - The first major improvement to Windows Mobile CDMA Treo units. It should ship before CTIA... averting mobs of press questions as to why CDMA still lacks a Windows Mobile 6 Treo."
    http://www.phonenews.com/content/view/2316/1/
  • Well, at least we know that it is coming and when. Pity the date though, but at least I get to start saving!
    Hmm..I dare wonder about the million dollar question, which *may* be related to Q1 2008: Treo Wimax?
    Palm was rumored to be working on that (see Engadget in March)
  • "Palm Gryphon - Treo 500 series, a low-cost, ultra-thin Treo aimed at lower-cost audiences. Expected to retail for $99 with new service agreement."
    Is this different from the Centro?? The Centro isn't "ultra-thin", unless they mean narrow.
  • "Palm Gryphon - Treo 500 series, a low-cost, ultra-thin Treo aimed at lower-cost audiences. Expected to retail for $99 with new service agreement."
    Is this different from the Centro?? The Centro isn't "ultra-thin", unless they mean narrow.
    It is.
    As far as "ultra-thin" obviously marketing. But to be fair, we don't know the actual dimensions. From the leaked pics it seemed to be as thick (thin) as your thumb.
    It could also be a relative term e.g. it's ultra thin compared to Treos, lol.
  • hopefully less thick than the much heralded T680!
    and the wait begins
  • Between now & atleast March 08 it's anybodys guess as to what the 800 will come equipped with. I too was hoping for a new treo this year but with this news they better put wimax into this thing. lol. I just hope it comes loaded like the Kaiser.
    samkim, I'm pretty sure the Palm Gryphon is the Centro. Even Sprint "unofficially" announced it the other day at their technology summit.
  • Between now & atleast March 08 it's anybodys guess as to what the 800 will come equipped with. I too was hoping for a new treo this year but with this news they better put wimax into this thing. lol. I just hope it comes loaded like the Kaiser.
    I'm thinking just because of the relationship that Sprint and Palm have (a very close one) and the fact Palm needs a "wow" device it would make sense that this would be the case. With Wimax aka Xohm announced and rolling out early 2008 (slightly pushed back from the "end of 2007") it would seem the two are running parallel for release dates.
    But like you said, until we hear more...Edit: here is that Engadget story
    "Palm to serve up "ultra thin" WiMAX smartphone this year?"
  • ...won't be released until quarter 1 2008...It should ship before CTIA....
    That's April 1st in Vegas. Wow, if the WM6 full-size Treo doesn't ship until next Spring, then the POS II/Linux full-size Treo will be pushed back even further into '08 (Fall '08?)...Colligan wasn't kidding about its release slipping into next year.
  • the question in my mind will be "what will other devices look like by q108?"
  • That's April 1st in Vegas. Wow, if the WM6 full-size Treo doesn't ship until next Spring, then the POS II/Linux full-size Treo will be pushed back even further into '08 (Fall '08?)...Colligan wasn't kidding about its release slipping into next year.
    I don't think that's the case.
    The POSII project is extremely secretive and is Palm's last ditch at reclaiming their glory (imo).
    They want that device to be their crown jewel and will keep it under wraps for as long as they can, lest they get copied. I'm sure Sprint has a time-frame but lets not kid ourselves, the WM6 Treo is much easier for them to work with and get out faster than the POSII.
  • ...the WM6 Treo is much easier for them to work with and get out faster than the POSII.
    True.
  • The POSII probably won't be delayed too much. They have to release it next year especially with wimax right around the corner.
    However, The 800w could also ship in Jan for all we know but as long as its before CTIA. I just hope the extra wait is going to be worth it.
  • So in the mean time, what can I get at Sprint? I want WM on it and I dont like anything with antenna sticking out.
  • Q1-2008
    That's about 24 months for an update, isn't it (from the original 700w)? Too bad - I will be long gone by then...too many other choices....(OK, not that anyone really cares that I will be long gone, but I was kinda waiting around to see what & when and I felt compelled to post something tonight).
  • I am annoyed that its a long time away but at the same time, its a good thing since my contract with Sprint began on labor day when I bought the 700wx. That will at least mean I will be almost 1 1/2 years into their contract so they give it to me as an "upgrade" and extend my contract.
    Now...I wonder what specs it has and what it looks like.
  • [quote=chong67;1332927]So in the mean time, what can I get at Sprint? I want WM on it and I dont like anything with antenna sticking out.
    Get a 700wx and put a Zoti antenna on it http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=145872
    You can also go with the Sprint HTC Mogul, but it does have a sliding keyboard.
  • I guess I'll be getting the Mogul then for now.. Q1 '08 is better then nothing.
  • I'm always cautious about time tables given by users, but it looks like user "comptech2002" from the phonenews.com forum accurately stated the PPC-6800 of Sprint's release this past July, so this latest news/rumor looks to me to be creditable.
    Going from my Treo 650 to the Treo 800 will be exciting (I hope I like WM6).
    The Post of this latest news:www.phonenews.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2314
  • If I get the Mogul now, then it will be expensive when the new 800w comes out at Sprint because no discount in the middle of your contract.
    I dont know what to do.
  • ....accurately stated the PPC-6800 of Sprint's release this past July, so this latest news/rumor looks to me to be creditable.
    Huh? It was easy for him to be accurate in July since the Mogul was released in June! :confused:
  • If I get the Mogul now, then it will be expensive when the new 800w comes out at Sprint because no discount in the middle of your contract.
    I dont know what to do.
    I always say - "A Mogul in the hand is worth two 800w's in the rumor mill".
    I faced the same thing early last year - buy a T650 or wait for the 700p. I bought the 650 and was glad I did! You might be able to sell the Mogul for a good price and get a 800 when they arrive - or it might worth it to sit on the sidelines for 6 months after the 800 arrives to see what needs to be fixed!
    Personally - I am about done with WM anyway - 8830 is in my future.
  • Huh? It was easy for him to be accurate in July since the Mogul was released in June! :confused:
    It was released in July by Sprint to retail stores nationwide to the public. And he posted in early June.
  • Sigh. I was hoping it would be sooner than that. I can't wait to leave PalmOS behind already. Why won't Sprint just refresh in the meantime with a CDMA version of the 750v? I would swap my 755P for that in a second.
  • I think what we are all anxious for is the fact that even if it is coming in q1 08 then atleast tell us will the form factor be thinner and better and what kind of features, and this way it makes tons of business sense to keep your customers versus how many people have we read about that are ready to leave? I dont understand how palm conducts business AT ALL....how can they let so many customers down....do a teaser like the iphone did ...do something
  • I think what we are all anxious for is the fact that even if it is coming in q1 08 then atleast tell us will the form factor be thinner and better and what kind of features, and this way it makes tons of business sense to keep your customers versus how many people have we read about that are ready to leave? I dont understand how palm conducts business AT ALL....how can they let so many customers down....do a teaser like the iphone did ...do something
    Sprint usually sets the timetable for a device to be refreshed/replaced. 24 months is pretty standard for them. Remember, Sprint is the one who orders them and decides what information Palm can tell us. So Palm may want to share with you the details but they are bound by contract not to.
    I'm not sure why people keep forgetting that Palm, just like every OEM, is a contracted 3rd party. Sprint pays Palm's bills.
    Had Sprint wanted a CDMA 750 WM Treo, they could have easily ordered one. They didn't so you don't get a choice.
    Anyways, if my 700wx wasn't still working as perfectly as before this Q1 date might bother me, luckily I can easily go another 6 months.
  • I got a hunch that this is the unit that is being beta tested by some tight lipped (but peeing in their pants) TC'ers.
  • I'm not sure why people keep forgetting that Palm, just like every OEM, is a contracted 3rd party. Sprint pays Palm's bills. Had Sprint wanted a CDMA 750 WM Treo, they could have easily ordered one.
    You are absolutely right.
    Palm's "Customers" are the wireless carriers. Palm doesn't care if the wireless carriers throw their Treos in the trash, as long as the sale is booked. The end-user is insignificant. The reason why there is no GPS on a Treo, is not because it is not possible (just look at HTC, Eten etc), but because it would interfere with Sprint's $9.99/month cell-tower triangulation location service. Similarly with Wi-Fi and other features.
    From Palm's May 31, 2007 Annual Report, what Palm calls their 4 largest "Customers" (note: end-users are not considered customers):
    Sprint = 24%
    Verizon = 18%
    AT&T/Cingular = 14%
    Ingram Micro = 6% (Ingram is a wholesale distributor)
    So, the U.S. accounts for 62% of Palm's sales. The remaining 38% of sales must be international carriers & distributors. Interestingly, Sprint/Verizon/AT&T represent 56% of Palm's revenues. Those 3 companies dictate to Palm what they want. The end-user is meaningless.
  • Whatever it is, I actually want a Palm WM6 at Sprint.
    But whatever it is, I cant wait because at VZW now, I am getting unlimited data and 0 minute plan for $40 and my 1 yr is over.
    So I order me a Mogul today at Sprint and get on the Sero plan for 500 mins and unlimited data for $30.
    So Treo is slow? Maybe Sprint is not asking Treo to ship the 750w to them.
    I actually want to stay with Palm because its USA. This HTC is Taiwan. Shame.
  • Whatever it is, I actually want a Palm WM6 at Sprint.
    But whatever it is, I cant wait because at VZW now, I am getting unlimited data and 0 minute plan for $40 and my 1 yr is over.
    So I order me a Mogul today at Sprint and get on the Sero plan for 500 mins and unlimited data for $30.
    So Treo is slow? Maybe Sprint is not asking Treo to ship the 750w to them.
    I actually want to stay with Palm because its USA. This HTC is Taiwan. Shame.
    The important thing is you locked in the SERO plan. Just sell the Mogul when the 800w comes out if you still want it then--it'll hold its value. The cost difference should be around $250 max, which isn't great but not horrible either.
  • Q1 2008 for an updated Palm is pretty much a new low for the company. It will continue to lose edge and share if it waits that long. Even if it comes out with a a device with better screens, software and things like gps integrated, by then people will already have bought devices with those features from competitors that have those features right now (like HTC).
    Instead we get what? the folio. Wow--talk about the worst tech management since Nortel in 2001.
  • ...I actually want to stay with Palm because its USA. This HTC is Taiwan. Shame.
    All Palm's products are made in Tapei.
  • Q1 2008 for an updated Palm is pretty much a new low for the company. It will continue to lose edge and share if it waits that long. Even if it comes out with a a device with better screens, software and things like gps integrated, by then people will already have bought devices with those features from competitors that have those features right now (like HTC).
    Instead we get what? the folio. Wow--talk about the worst tech management since Nortel in 2001.
    Well, you could also think of it is this way:
    The iPhone doesn't have 3g for two reasons: the network is not widely available yet (sort of lame argument, since there are 3g AT&T devices) and (2) Jobs said that the current 3g chips get awful battery life and the ones they wants aren't ready yet (this is actually true)
    Part of developing a device is knowing what you want it to and what specs you want it to meet or exceed. Sometimes you want to put a chip or system in that is (a) not fully ready (b) not able to be mass produced in the numbers you need it for full production.
    I'm not saying I know that to be the case but it very well could be. I would hope Palm is going "all out" on this device and sometimes your 3rd party contractors are not ready yet.
    Also, taking the wild assumption about a Wimax Treo and saying it's true, Sprint will not want to roll out any devices till that network is up and running in at least a handful of cities. That is not predicted to be the case till early 2008.
    I'm just throwing this out there in consideration of the bigger picture. While not necessarily true, I sort of doubt it's Palm just dragging their feet, though who really knows at this point.
    I also don't see any amazing new devices coming to Sprint. The Touch is okay, but it'll only work with TeleNav (whoopee do). The Mogul is already there and outdated on Sprint. Another Moto Q rehash (talk about incremental upgrades) and a WM world phone/Black Jack. I think Sprint is hedging their bets now till Wimax rolls out--then you'll see some crazy things happening (hopefully).
  • As long as they release a device that far exceeds the 700wx then I will be happy. I would hate to see Palm release another crippled WM device like they did with the 700w.
  • I wonder if VZW will get it around the same time or even earlier that Sprint, like the 700w?
  • That's a good response. But it's hard to beleive I device I bought years ago has no possibility of being improved at this point?
    Aside from GPS the only thing I care about is better resolution and improved processing power and I'd buy it. The iphone is basically like a portable mac I don't need it to do all that stuff at this point. Just something incremental.
    Wimax and wifi really are duplicative for too many users to be a game changer --at least not for 2-3 years. They need to save market share now--2-3 years from now Palm won't be in business to worry about wimax if they don't introduce new products.Well, you could also think of it is this way:
    The iPhone doesn't have 3g for two reasons: the network is not widely available yet (sort of lame argument, since there are 3g AT&T devices) and (2) Jobs said that the current 3g chips get awful battery life and the ones they wants aren't ready yet (this is actually true)
    Part of developing a device is knowing what you want it to and what specs you want it to meet or exceed. Sometimes you want to put a chip or system in that is (a) not fully ready (b) not able to be mass produced in the numbers you need it for full production.
    I'm not saying I know that to be the case but it very well could be. I would hope Palm is going "all out" on this device and sometimes your 3rd party contractors are not ready yet.
    Also, taking the wild assumption about a Wimax Treo and saying it's true, Sprint will not want to roll out any devices till that network is up and running in at least a handful of cities. That is not predicted to be the case till early 2008.
    I'm just throwing this out there in consideration of the bigger picture. While not necessarily true, I sort of doubt it's Palm just dragging their feet, though who really knows at this point.
    I also don't see any amazing new devices coming to Sprint. The Touch is okay, but it'll only work with TeleNav (whoopee do). The Mogul is already there and outdated on Sprint. Another Moto Q rehash (talk about incremental upgrades) and a WM world phone/Black Jack. I think Sprint is hedging their bets now till Wimax rolls out--then you'll see some crazy things happening (hopefully).
  • ...I don't need it to do all that stuff at this point. Just something incremental.
    Wimax and wifi really are duplicative for too many users to be a game changer --at least not for 2-3 years.
    But incremental updates is exactly what Engadget wrote about yesterday and slamming Palm for and I'd say the overwhelming majority agreed. Virtually no one here wants incremental updates, they want something fresh. I basically agree with you but many others don't.
    Wifi vs 3g is not a game change. Wimax is with 10mbps downloads (conservatively; it can theoretically hit 70mbps) which means you can readily trade whole videos with people and finally get real internet speeds. It'll be pretty huge.
  • I am saying incremental updates 2-3 months ago that should have happened already or put it out now not in 2008. 2008 is way too late. Plenty of other devices are already on the market that do more than what palm wants to do in 2008.
    It really is the worst management since Nortel in 2001. Putting their resources into Folio pretty much guaranteed they'd fall behind in their bread and budder which is the Treo.
    And Wimax may be a game changer but since there Wimax isn't deployed now who cares? People just want the bascis that people like HTC and Apple have introduced in a Treo. They have not done any major changes in 2 years. Take some of the innvoation done by those companies--stop worrying about wifi and wimax and just put a device out there with some decent upgrades.
    Oh an my definition of incremental is
    1) Improved processor power including mulitasking with the same or better battery life
    2) Screen resolution and size
    3) Integrated GPS
    Including those changes now--you'd get a majority of users buying the new one. Which is the goal as opposed to buying crappy folios
  • Im split between dumping the 700wx and getting the Mogul, or waiting patiently for the 800w. At this point in time I am leaning in favor of waiting simple because the 700wx has been such a great phone.
  • I am saying incremental updates 2-3 months ago that should have happened already or put it out now not in 2008. 2008 is way too late. Plenty of other devices are already on the market that do more than what palm wants to do in 2008.
    It really is the worst management since Nortel in 2001. Putting their resources into Folio pretty much guaranteed they'd fall behind in their bread and budder which is the Treo.
    And Wimax may be a game changer but since there Wimax isn't deployed now who cares? People just want the bascis that people like HTC and Apple have introduced in a Treo. They have not done any major changes in 2 years. Take some of the innvoation done by those companies--stop worrying about wifi and wimax and just put a device out there with some decent upgrades.
    Oh an my definition of incremental is
    1) Improved processor power including mulitasking with the same or better battery life
    2) Screen resolution and size
    3) Integrated GPS
    Including those changes now--you'd get a majority of users buying the new one. Which is the goal as opposed to buying crappy folios
    Like I said, I understand I where you are coming from.
    But as I've previously mentioned, Palm cannot just release a device whenever they feel like it. They are contracted by Sprint to deliver a device in a specific time-frame (pending their approval/testing and FCC clearance; a 3-6 month process in total).
    If Sprint contracted them to make a Wimax device, they that's what they make. Palm really has no say in the matter when it comes to CDMA (GSM is more open, so they have some flexibility), they make what they are able and allowed to.
  • That assumes two things though right?
    1) That sprint doesn't want an updated phone to compete with the iphone. A lot of the features I am asking for would make the treo a lot more competive with the iphone. Why would sprint want to prevent that?
    2) Even if it's all sprints fault. You guys assume Sprint is the only carrier that carriers Palm devices. T-mobile, Verizon, and ATT can carry treos also.
  • That assumes two things though right?
    1) That sprint doesn't want an updated phone to compete with the iphone. A lot of the features I am asking for would make the treo a lot more competive with the iphone. Why would sprint want to prevent that?
    2) Even if it's all sprints fault. You guys assume Sprint is the only carrier that carriers Palm devices. T-mobile, Verizon, and ATT can carry treos also.
    It's no so much assumption as just fact. It was nearly 2 years between the 6700 and 6800 and I think we can all agree that the Kaiser is much nicer than the 6800, yet Sprint got that and so did Verizon. Speaking of, Verizon (who still hasn't launched the Mogul) was testing it back in December '07.
    Sprint knows the secret to beating the iPhone will be their Wimax network, which will be open to any device that can use Wimax (there is talk of free access, but limited bandwidth to 364kb speeds; then a pay model with higher speeds). Think cameras, UMPCs, tablet devices, phones, smartphones, laptops, etc. (I also do not think a Treo would compete with the iPhone: one is enterprise, the other is media)
    Sprint is there #1 customer and probably get some exclusives (while they lost the 700w one, they got the better 700wx for awhile). Cinealta posted their numbers:
    Sprint = 24%
    Verizon = 18%
    AT&T/Cingular = 14%
    Ingram Micro = 6% (Ingram is a wholesale distributor)
    I am not saying that Palm couldn't do better: they could, especially on GSM. But currently that is not their first priority. The international market was really just bridged with the 750.
  • I know you are a wimax expert and all--but don't you think that makes you a tad bit biased relative to its importance to the Treo 800 issues.
    If Palm waits for Wimax to be out for the 800, they deserve to go bankrupt. Seriously. People want devices NOW. Sprint has the best data network today and with Wimax-it has the best network in the future for data. But who cares if you have crappy devices today.
    If Palm keeps losing share to HTC, apple and Rim, -it isn't going to matter what Sprint wants since Palm will be out of business or bought out at a fraction of the current already meager value.
    Again. Wimax man. Wow. Like. just wow. If I find out palm is waiting on wimax
  • oh and sprint used to have 100% of the palm market. now its just one of 3 major us customers. Verizon would be more than delighted to take a non wimax palm to challenge the iphone.
  • I know you are a wimax expert and all--but don't you think that makes you a tad bit biased relative to its importance to the Treo 800 issues.
    Probably.
    I'm not even confident in saying the 800w will have Wimax, just that it may be a possibility.
    My main point is that Palm really is not the one who calls the shots here but it's the carriers. I disagree with this model as I believe the carriers should be more like ISPs (GSM is close to this, but you still have the lock/unlocked thing).
    The fact is, the CDMA market has the fastest and cheapest network, yet are always about 1 to 2 generations behind in technology. Name me one CDMA phone that is cutting edge. That new Moto Q on Verizon is barely and upgrade.
    It's the business model that should be vilified, not so much Palm HTC or any OEM. This is what made Apple special: they bullied the hell out of Verizon (who said no) and AT&T (who said yes) and they got 100% control over the device design, specifications, branding, services (none besides Apples), selling, etc. It worked for them but I bet these carriers will not allow that model to go forward, since it's all about them loosing control, and in turn, revenue from their dumb services e.g. Music store, V-Cast, etc.
    Who knows, maybe even with an open model Palm would still be behind. But without that in place it's very hard to say. If you ever speak to these companies, they don't speak highly of working with Sprint, Verizon, etc.
  • ...This is what made Apple special: they bullied the hell out of Verizon (who said no) and AT&T (who said yes) and they got 100% control over the device design, specifications, branding, services (none besides Apples), selling, etc.
    Good point. Reportedly, Apple also gets 10% of the voice/data plan income (for iPhones).
  • The business model is bad but people like Apple and google will change that.
    As far as CDMA technologies that are innovation. The HTC mogul -for about a month was leading edge. GSM tends to have a more open architecture because of simm cards and europe is GSM. What GSM phones are so bleeding edge other than the iphone? The new HTC Kaiser? i admit that's a nice one. It has GPS which would make me happy.
    While I think carrier pushback is a factor, I think its an argument mostly used by Palm apologists. If it's gotten to the point where they can't innovate because carriers won't let them put out new phones, they should return the cash to shareholders and exit the business.
  • The business model is bad but people like Apple and google will change that.
    As far as CDMA technologies that are innovation. The HTC mogul -for about a month was leading edge. GSM tends to have a more open architecture because of simm cards and europe is GSM. What GSM phones are so bleeding edge other than the iphone? The new HTC Kaiser? i admit that's a nice one. It has GPS which would make me happy.
    While I think carrier pushback is a factor, I think its an argument mostly used by Palm apologists. If it's gotten to the point where they can't innovate because carriers won't let them put out new phones, they should return the cash to shareholders and exit the business.
    The model could be changed though. The GSM/SIM thing is one excuse but no talks about the dirty secret: CDMA SIM cards. They exists, they work, they uninterpretable with GSM too. Google --> R-UIM.
    As far as innovation, Palm actually doesn't too bad. They sold 750,000 Treos in the last quarter, which is not bad for a company of about 1,200. They do better than Motorola who can't turn a profit in the business.
    It's not so much "palm apologists" as I think the same arguments can be made about Motorola (the billionth iteration of the RAZR?), HTC (6800 is quite outdated and has low memory), Samsung (only the Blackjack is relevant). Symbian is barely here in the U.S., I don't know why. There just isn't much choice.
    This all comes down to this: if you don't like Palm, buy something else. If you own stock in Palm or Sprint, pull it.
  • What do you mean CDMA have Simm cards.
    I don't think the 6800 was out dated. it did have kinda low memory though and really low battery life imo. Rimm, HTC, Apple, Samsung and Motorola are all providing good substributes. The Nokia N95 is killer. I guess you are just saying people will go to all these competitors, i'm saying it's a shame as palm used to 100% of this market. My point is it will be zero soon if it doesn't do something fast. And it's not the carriers fault..it's up to Palm to change the rules just like Apple did.
    Right now I am looking at the new Kaiser or maybe going back to the blackberry. Especially one with gps in it.
  • Probably.
    I'm not even confident in saying the 800w will have Wimax, just that it may be a possibility.
    I doubt that the 800w will have wimax since there were rumors that it would be released for VZW this month(never panned out), and VZW does not have any WiMax plans announced. Unless they plan to surprise us or Palm gives us two versions one with WiMax for spirnt and another with WiFi for VZW?
    The fact is, the CDMA market has the fastest and cheapest network, yet are always about 1 to 2 generations behind in technology. Name me one CDMA phone that is cutting edge. That new Moto Q on Verizon is barely and upgrade.
    If you count the Moto Razr2 Sprint has it out a few weeks before the others do, granted the CDMA versions get the lower color internal screen while rest of the features are the same. There is Perl2 if you count that. VZW is getting it first, unless the version of the Perl they are getting is not the Perl2, but Perl1.5? You could also say the 700w and 700wx, but that was not to cutting edge. But, yeah CDMA gets the last of everything.
    Personally I am holding out for a device, that is the same form factor as the Treo 700 series, Moto Q, or Samsung Blackjack, but comes with WiFi and is WM6 on a CDMA carrier. The HTC Iris or what ever the new Treo with wifi is maybe the device for me. Then again my friend just got the BB Curve and that looks pretty tempting specially when it comes out with WiFi.
  • I doubt that the 800w will have wimax since there were rumors that it would be released for VZW this month(never panned out), and VZW does not have any WiMax plans announced. Unless they plan to surprise us or Palm gives us two versions one with WiMax for spirnt and another with WiFi for VZW?
    Funny you sa