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Report claims Microsoft's desktop Start menu won't appear until Windows 9 in 2015

A new report from ZDNet, citing unnamed sources, claims that Microsoft won't release its previously revealed new desktop Start menu for Windows 8 until sometime in 2015. The report claims that the the desktop Start menu was supposed to be released as part of Windows 8.1 Update 2, which is still due to be made available sometime in August.

However, it now appears Microsoft has decided to hold off on that much requested feature and will add it as part of Windows 9, code name Threshold, which is currently rumored for launch in April 2015. The article did not give a specific reason for Microsoft's change in plans.

Microsoft showed off a mock up of the Start menu as part of their BUILD 2014 keynote in April, which combined the familiar menu UI with Modern app icons. The news was greeted with mostly positive comments from Windows 8 users, who have cited the lack of a desktop Start menu as the single biggest issue with the OS since it first launched in October 2012. There are a number of popular third party programs that have been released that add a version of the Start menu to the Windows 8 desktop.

If this report is in fact true, what do you think of Microsoft deciding to wait until Windows 9 to finally add the Start menu back to the desktop?

Source: ZDNet

235 Comments
  • Why can't they add it in second big update of 8.1? Mix between desktop start and metro elements just look beatiful and I want it in 8.1 :(
  • I'm back on win 7
  • This mentality confuses me.  You can run Win8+ exactly the same as 7 with the new boot options ect, but it comes with some pretty big desktop benefits like the new task manager, faster boot times, quicker loading times and better memory management just for starters.    
  • Exactly! I honestly don't see the point of the Start menu at all. What a lot of people don't get, is that Metro (homescreen, whatever you want to call it), is an expanded / upgraded / more functional Start menu. It's a Start page. People just want to learn how to use it. I don't think MS should bring back the old style Start menu. It's a step backwards.  
  • I agree!
  • I also agree. The Metro start menu has a lot more functionality and is a lot more easier to use. I also don't understand why people hold on to something which is outdated and worse and are closed minded to something new even if that new thing is a lot better.
  • My thoughts exactly
  • I also agree, but also don't. It's good to give people options, even if what you are giving them is better some people find it hard to learn new ways of doing things. Most people recognise that Windows 7 is better than XP, yet many cling to XP because they are used to it. So same for Metro in Windows 8, for some it's confusing and they just won't give it the time required to learn how to use it.
  • I kind of agree that we should have the choice. I really hope they don't use the old Start Menu to replace the Start Page, though. I know a lot of people want that, but personally, I'd pick the Page over the Menu any day!
  • Agreed, why bring that hideous thing back? Def a step back.
  • Win + S does 90% of what I ever used the start menu for. The rest I pin to the taskbar.
  • +8.1  
  • Couldn't agree more.
  • ^^^this is the truth ^^^
  • Thankyou! So glad to see someone else sees this! Since I first used Win8, it's annoyed me that people can't tell the difference between a change in design, and a change in functionality. It's so refreshing to know I'm not alone in loving the Start Page! ^.^
  • The metro screen is a great big galumphing mess more suited to a playskool toy than an operating system. Leave it on my cell phone and tablet where it belongs, thanks :P
  • + Ativ S
  • Thats like making a decesion that you hate fun.
  • And if you absolutely must have a start menu there are plent of good (or even better) third party alternatives.
  • Waiting for Windows 9 means that when websites report on Windows 9 it gets hailed as 'The Return Of The Start Menu', which is the kind of publicity they need to remove the stigma caused from Windows 8. Smart move.
  • Or they realized they could hold it off and instead of giving it for free in the .2 update they put it in windows 9 and charge another 100 dollars, since so many people want this they will update and pay, obviously.
  • There are many substitute for the Start Menu right now. I'm pretty sure they wont shed out another 100 dollars just for the StartMenu. With that, I'll definitely get Windows 9 because my laptop is dying. I hope it still holds me for another year though! Posted via Windows Phone Central App for Android!
  • They wont shed 100 dollars for the start menu, they will coff up those 100 dollars (probably even more) for W9 with this "new" amazing start menu. Otherwise, it would be kinda hard to sell W9 to someone who just bought 8.1 in 2014.  
  • Why do you think that W9 will cost anything ? As far as I remember, it should be a free update.
  • The .1 updates are free. I don't think they ever said the major updates will be free. Historically, they charged when they released a major update.
  • The .1 update is basically what service packs are now, so they are free.
  • Windows Updates are only free to the version of Windows that you already own. If you own Windows 7, you get all of the updates to version 7 but you have to buy 8. If you own 8, you get all of the updates to 8 but you have to buy 9. The mobile OS update model is not the same as the desktop OS model. Windows has a licensing model and you buy the license to use whatever version of Windows/buy that version of Windows. Your license is what covers that version of Windows but you are not licensed to use a different version of Windows (7,8,9) until you buy a license/copy.
  • Historically it has been so, but there was an article about going the "Apple route" in terms of updates, right here, on WPCentral.
  • Did you just call something on our favorite OS "new, amazing"? Where do you think you are? BGR?
  • Good point.
  • I have this feeling that windows 9 will be free.
  • Well yeah, obviously.
  • Great points Marco and Zeem, both the publicity it will give Windows 9 and the incentive to buy the OS, since new revenue channels will be essential since the OS is being given away on devices 9" and less, and less expensive versions are being sold, Windows with Bing. The down side is it gives the non enthusiast crowd who have been less receptive to Windows8/8.1 and the enterprise customers who have employees who are not warming up to Windows 8/8.1, with the missing Start Button being one of the BIGGEST complaints, more time to be go without this"fix". Additionally it adds fuel to the competitors who are courting these customers to play on this particular frustration. Since Windows 8/8.1 seems so alien to many people who have not given it a shot and don't understand that it is still the same OS we all know and love with some changes, switching to another platform if persuaded with a good pitch(playing on already poorly founded assumptions) may not be to difficult for some since they FEEL Windows is now just as unfamiliar as a new platform. I'd hate for the Microsoft camp to lose users because they waited too long to bring back a highly desired feature in the Start Menu.
  • I'm sure I'm dating myself pretty bad, but does anyone remember New Coke from 1980's? Windows classic? Pretty soon they will break out the old NT logo and everyone will celebrate
  • Exactly, same sort of principle. Overhauling changes are always a problem when introducing something new in marketing. So with Microsoft going back to something classic, this pushes people back to the software they need to keep running. Microsoft was smart on this one :)
  • They release it now and wont have anything dramatic for Windows 9.
  • They need a reason to sell their W9..
  • Exactly.
  • Hopefully Microsoft brings back the Classic theme, or at least the Windows Basic theme, just in case some people don't like the Windows 8/8.1 interface, like me.
  • yes. the return of the startscreen won't cut it. the return of the startscreen seems more fitting as an 8.2 update together with the windowed mode of modern apps. windows 9 should be seen as a huge step forward.   graphics-wise i believe ms should hire a sophisticated-minded designer for win9 UI. as windows 8 develops into 8.1 and 8.1 update 1, i feel it's getting less sophisticated aesthetically. for example, the title bar that appears on the modern app when hovered, is black and covers the items/ buttons on that part of the screen, looks ugly and not-so-thought-of. and the same taskbar that appears at the bottom of the modern app doesnt look congruent with the modern app. now that we can pin modern apps to task bar, the icons pinned are classic and modern mixture and does not look good aesthetically. in the start screen, there are now two types of context menu that you will see. one modern that appears when you click on the power button for example, and one pseudo classic/modern when you right click on the tiles. they appear different and it looked ugly. overall, while the updates greatly increases productivity esp to desktop users. the design feels like patches over another patch. the design mantra of modern view (not the desktop) of windows 8 was well-defined, strict and sophisticated. but as the updates come in, the productivity is rising and we're loving it. but i believe the sophisticated mantra is being defiled little by little.
  • I want noodles
  • Marketing
  • Don't care much, I like the metro start screen better.
  • Same here and we still don't know if this will be forced on those of us who don't want it either.
  • Doesn't this sound familiar? ;)
  • certainly is
  • Me too. Feel comfortable with this metro style
  • I agree 100%
  • Agreed.
  • +8
  • Same here, hope it's optional.
  • Start screen > Start menu. Reading being, it's much more functional
  • Agreed, every time I have to use my work computer (Win7) it feels like I took 3 steps backwards. Nothing is easy about Win7. Got so use to typing to find stuff/apps/ web searches that it has taken me longer to find stuff.
  • Agreed! I like my Metro.
  • I agree, much prefer ms to be working on new features than bring old outdated stuff back
  • Preferably interactive live tiles like the ones demoed earlier in the year! Also bring wp8.1 style customisation to the start screen. On a completely different note Microsoft should give us a set amount of free skype mins per month and make xbox music / give us free xbox enabled games a la games with gold if we have xbox live subscription. That would shift a lot of windows devices
  • Is there someway to prevent w8.1 from going to the desktop after exiting apps. I hate this.
  • Tempting on both fronts...and backs.
  • You have to turn off the option to show desktop apps in the taskbar.
  • This was the solution. How stupid is it that if you show store apps in taskbar, you will be forced into the desktop even if you specifically opt out of that in the navigation tab and never had the desktop open... Annoying...
  • Yes right click on the task bar and go in properties. Go to the navigation tab and uncheck the first box under "start screen"
  • Yep me too. Don't want the stupid start menu back. I'm happy with the start screen.
  • Yes, me too. Now I just feel like I'm wanting this Update 2. And I hope, deep in my heart, that this menu is optional for non-touch and mouse and keyboard devices because I'm looking to buy Windows 9 when it's out, buy I'm not really into this shhht old menu on my table pc, I WANT MY START SCREEN TO REMAIN THE WAY IT WAS ON 8.1 (without context menus either).
  • Agreed, if it isn't optional, I'm still sticking with Win8. Love my start screen, never even used my start menu in Win7. Always kept my favorites in the taskbar, and everything else on the desktop.
  • i agree with you. i wanted to see interactive live tiles than this one
  • Can I be a content creator in WP central :)
  • Can I meet Daniel?
  • Seems later.
  • Seems unnecessary
  • yucks.. so ugly..
  • Probably just a "mockup" in the sense of "we are working on something that mix the two things and this is a bad Photoshop"
  • Actually it's real, they showed a demo at BUILD/ and its real cool, dynamic and customizable.
  • The actual design is kinda uninspiring. I Know they showed off at BUILD but it really looks like shit in a pure aesthetical way
  • Makes sense that they would want to make this a key feature of Windows 9 as opposed to Windows 8 so they can get the good press of the "good" OS release with a much "wanted" feature.
  • I want new desktop icons! Tired of modding!
  • Care to share what you're doing with modding the desktop? Much prefer the metro look but haven't found any good ways to apply it to the desktop.
  • +1
  • Using iconpackager mostly, over at deviantART there are quite some icon packs and visual styles that really fits Windows 8 metro
  • I really wonder why they didn't change it in Win 8. Familiarity?
  • I wondered that too. The current icons have been here since Vista, and no one likes that. Windows 9 needs new icons.
  • Would rather not have it at all to be honest. Why do we NEED a start menu?
  • The enterprise users generally upgrade very late and usually consist of an older demographic who are too set in their ways to change or adapt to a new way / method of working / being productive.
  • I am the "tech guy" for our organization and it's not only the older generation.
  • Im the tech guy for my organisation and windows 8 has been adopted really well and have found even the older generation are finding it easier.....
  • So you can easily start programs. As it is now it is a pain in the ass and virtually undiscoverable.
  • Without focusing on you personally, but it's funny to see how more and more people got used to the new start screen, while Microsoft isn't noticing that... I agree on your comment though.
  • Am sure they'll give us an option to have it. Like what they did with the start button /s
  • I doubt the veracity of "unnamed sources".
    It would be a massive error for Microsoft to keep delaying the reinstatement of the Start Button menus. Windows 8 already has a hard time convincing people to pick it over Windows 7, to wait until Windows 9 means Windows 8 is done for and Microsoft is giving up on trying to fix it.
  • Probably they have nothing to show on Win 9, so just using "the new start menu" as the "boom" for release, you know "the big" change.
  • I hope not as Windows 9 is supposed to bring RT and WP closer to Windows...but I wouldn't be surprised it, in the end, the only difference between Windows 8 and 9 was the start menu. And honestly...that would be enough for me to upgrade from 8 to 9.
  • Metro overall is a better start menu. Stop catering to the decaf coffee drinkers. Change is inevitable and for the better.
  • I would've hoped that these updates would come earlier, but I'll wait patiently to see this. I just really want to see some huge updates next spring. What I'd like to see: 1. Start menu promised 2. Windowed Metro apps promised 3. Further refinement of Metro for tablets and phones 4. Remove all vestiges of Windows 7 and Vista from Windows 8 desktop. Icons, program styles, etc. 5. Optomize underlying Windows platform to compete better against OS X when it comes to battery life.
  • I like all but #1
  • couldn't agree more. However instead of 5 (OSX isn't really a threat), I'd much rather see them focus on the universal app concept. Often there are WP apps which aren't on the win store and I'd like to run those. Imagine how sweet it would be to have floating WP apps on the desktop for things for which there is no desktop app. It would be like the old widgets only way more versatile and way more.
  • It may not be a threat in the desktop space, but there's no doubt that it does much much better with regard to battery life than Windows does. That's why I want them to do what it takes to take Windows to the next level in terms of efficiency.
  • well actually, try and run only metro apps, surf on ie, stuff like that, and you ll notice your laptop wont get that hot and lasts way longer than using desktop programms! so they've done quite impressive work on efficiency! :D
    at least o my machine i notice this :D
  • That's because they are dealing with one set of hardware. Microsoft is dealing with thousands of different hardware configurations. They would need work with hardware OEM's t create a standard that will allow hardware components to power down when not in use. Thet are also dealing with legacy apps that weren't designed to be efficient. Apple can stop supporting apps that aren't updated to support a new standard. Microsoft can't do that without evryone complaining. 
  • you nailed it. I'm sure MSFT can match apple but I'm sure dell, HP and Acer with their crapware, and tons of legacy win32 apps designed for a nuclear power plant powered outlet just don't help the story. Seeing 9-10 hour ultrabooks makes me think the debate is over. Sure apple can get a bit more but ultimately once you're talking 9+ hours basically an extra hour stopps making much of a difference.
  • No problem here, corporate customers won't even consider Windows 8 or 9 until 2015/2016. Most are on 7 or upgrading to 7 as part of their normal refresh cycle.
  • It's probably to drive sales/upgrades after losing customer trust with its disappearance in W8. Unfortunately it's really just eroding trust more by leaving it out when they could put it in an update this year.
  • Most corporate customers and healthcare sites are barely deploying Windows 7 now, and acting like Microsoft just "sprung" it on them that XP was ending. I've been dealing with that wonderful fall out for 4 months now.
  • Some are still on XP! Heck my former place of work still had machines running on Windows NT lol.
  • Well hey, if they offer it as a $40 upgrade like they did with 8, I'm all for it. Otherwise, I agree that it doesn't help with the trust.   Of course, that's assuming Windows 9 actually has more than just a new start menu...
  • doing the right thing for customers never errodes trust. http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-81-surpasses-windows-8-market-share-windows-xp-still-strong-at-25
    Windows 8.1, according to Net Applications, has surpassed the marketshare of Windows 8.
    See what happens when you give people a taste of what they want? Imagine if they shipped the start menu v 2.0 and windowed store apps.  
  • Nope we are onto windows 8 and have been for  over a year now. We are IT service provider and are in the process of rolling out W8 across our clients including schools, buisnesses and government.
  • John moved from Neowin here than. Wonder how is attitude towards Microsoft will suddenly change :)
  • I think it's stupid to shove things into little boxes... Maybe if they made it look like a Tardis it would be clever =/
  • I think they could focus their attention on making the desktop and for system more modern, pretty and functional, as opposed to rushing to go to ideas that they have already advanced beyond. There needs to be a unification between metro asked desktop, it still feels like two OS's in one.
  • I don't want that shit Microsoft, I don't fucking need it
  • I like how people here don't want a start menu forced upon them but they act like everybody who doesn't want the start screen alternative needs to deal with it.
  • I still say that what they should've done long ago, is the give the option: Start menu or Start screen
  • @Tense - I totally agree! We've had the start screen forced on us, and all we're asking for is a choice. On a desktop I just don't see any benefit at all over a start menu.
  • TBH I'm not devastated by this news. This will just make Windows 9 an even bigger hit when it releases!
  • I hope you can choose between start screens. I want this on my laptop but not my surface. Oh and people who prefer windows 7 are stupid
  • And people that judge people on the count if their personal preferences are assholes. Know anyone like that?
  • It's like saying i like my old Ford truck because I don't need the better suspension systems, more powerful engine, better fuel efficiency, better stereo, more leg and head room and better box system because its new.
  • It's not. Very simply, many many people don't like the Metro UI. I hate it and I'm on W8.1. The only reason I moved from 7 to 8.1 (I skipped 8) was because of the deep SkyDrive integration (yes, it was still called SkyDrive then) and since I was already switching Office 2003 with 2013, I might as well take advantage of the integration. But I've done everything possible to completely erase the Metro UI from my PC. And the sooner I can get the Start Menus button back on Windows instead of having to rely on not-that-good 3rd party options, the better. Windows 7 was amazing and if it weren't for the deep cloud integration I would have never moved to 8.1 ;)
  • +1. I always jump to the Desktop and never go to the Start Screen now. To me the Start Screen is like a throwback to 10+ years ago when everyone had shortcuts to everything on their desktop. A giant mess of icons all fighting for attention. Sure we could organise the mess, but it was still difficult to find things effectively. When you have hundreds of apps & games it's much more efficient to store them in folders in an organised tree structure - exactly like the Start Menu. The Start Screen is great on mobiles and tablets, but offers me nothing on a desktop.
  • That's a bad analogy. People generally like everything about W8 (performance etc) except for the Start Screen. A better car analogy is W7 has all the controls (wipers, indicators, steering wheel, pedals) exactly where they've been for the last 100 years, but W8 has now hidden a lot of the controls underneath the dash or under the car seats so you quite often don't even know they're there and don't know how to access them while hurtling along at 100 km/h. They've also replaced the dash with 100 blinking lights that you need to be able to individually recognise in order to display the right information - sure you can search for the required light, but you need to remember what the light was called to begin with :P :P
  • Can't wait for Windows 9.0
  • Is W9 a new purchase or an upgrade?
    Seems like Windows 8 only came out 2/3 years ago.
  • When was ever a new OS version from Microsoft free?!
  • They did say at build this feature would be available to all windows 8 users as an upgrade. They never said free upgrade and do they consider Windows 9 an upgrade? They obviously picked their words carefully to be as vague as possible.
  • It's ugly!  And I hope we have the option of not using it!
  • Hm, sounds familiar...
  • I know it does, but this time it's the truth!  Lol!  :) I don't know why Microsoft would want to go backwards.  I don't even use the start menu on my Windows 7 computer.  I never have!  I just pin my favorites to the task bar.  At work and home.
  • I thought they made that in 8.1 update
  • I'm wondering what WP 9 and W9 RT will look like
  • hopefully win9 RT will not be a thing. There is no OEM support, and even MSFT didn't bother with surface 3. I'd be fine if it goes away now that intel chips are just as good on tablets.
  • I still want 9RT. Because I see a strong double standard here. Apple and Google can have ARM tablets but when Microsoft does it they get universally panned. I want a dual digitizer RT tablet. I have zero interest in full Windows on my tablet. I don't want the option to run legacy apps. I'll only consider full Windows if it has an option similar to Android to only install apps from the Windows Store.
  • #4 Please. I do want Win 9 to be more like WP and bring all native apps like podcast, files to Win.
  • Keep the new....the old was great... But things have changed.... Adapt people! Microsoft is to supportive.... They should have cut XP off years and years ago and it's the same with this... Keep it gone... Force the change... People will adapt
  • Why such a stupid retro idea when metro start menu and app search is easier than ever.
  • the current start screen is mostly broken for desktop and laptop users. it is too jaring and low sales of windows 8 reveal that a compromise is in order if MSFT wishes to remain competitive. Tablets will off course be able to keep what they like. But this is about sales and the current "idea" isn't selling.
  • The current version isn't sell because no one is buying new machines. But IMO its selling fine most of the other windows versions never sold except on new machines, this one has sold as a OS to add to an existing machine.
  • Do you really believe all is well? really? Well MSFT doesn't, which is why they are fixing things. It's a shame they are not continuing with the progressive policy of not holding back for big releases because I think the warmer reception of win 8.1, which just overtook 8 in share is a direct result of them listening to customers. So while some people seem to be in denial about windows 8 by trying to explain its failure as result of external forces, while ignoring the near univeral criticism it has, MSFT certainly didn't buy this answer. Thus they delivered 8.1 and then 8.1u1. We know the start menu is coming, we know windowed store apps are coming. The debate is over, the question is not: was win 8 such failure it needed fixing, but when is the fix going to ship. There is one point however which I must acknowledge. Windows 8 itself, the name has as bad a reputation as vista. The  8.1u2 changes under the guise of win9 would do a big reset in the minds of consumers just as win7 did. And given windows 8 near universal status of "the new vista", maybe they are right to go for the nuclear option: erradicate windows 8 for good by shipping what everybody wants in 9. 
  • MS y'all funny, y'all pushing errthing Tu 2015, BC DirectX 12 ready Tu come ready come out..... So all tha gud GAMES, n WINDOWS 9
  • Y'all need to go back to school and pay attention in English and grammar. Your post is atrociously bad.
  • Indeed, i never thought i would need a translator for another's English :/
  • Same rumor I've been hearing since Build. Not surprised.
  • Well, I like it ...and yes, I do hope this feature is integrated into windows. :)
  • Don't care for it,
  • Windows 9 should be with Cortana and many pretty apps in loneup to gain the popularity....
  • I just bought a new laptop with windows 8 after living with my old one for 5 years (dual core amd and vista...soo slow) anyway I have to say I dislike the tile interface because it feels like its the content consumption portion of all this and the desktop is where the work gets done. I downloaded a start menu app and hid the start button that takes you back to the tiles and turned on boot to desktop so I can live with it. I do however enjoy the full screen immersion of Netflix and Hulu and such the tiles provide. Anyway I look forward to the return of the start menu in 9.
  • Choice is the key thing here. That classic menu on a tablet would be awkward and the full Start Screen, whilst I'm used to it, can be a bit much on a large display. Windowed apps are definitely needed although I imagine that creates scaling issues for developers. Its a long road ahead, I'm just glad they have a better team in place now to get things back on track!
  • The classic menu would also be awkward with touch screen monitors. Of which I have one for my desktop.
  • Really not that necessary. I like how it is now.
  • I agree with you. 
  • People keep whining about the lack of start menu but the start screen is so much better. I think most of the people complaining have prob not given it a proper chance. I don't use a touchscreen laptop and I don't find it a chaw to use at all. So much more information right there for you its great. I personally love win8.
  • I agree with you. I have a Surface Pro 2, so there's no way I can complain since I have touch screen, but I do into desktop mode for my work, y'know with separate screens and the docking station, and the keyboard and mouse isn't hard or bad to use at all. It works plenty fine, and it's no doubt gotten better since Update 1.
  • I believe adding the Start Menu back would be a giant leap backwards.
  • sadly if windows 8 sales had been better, you'd be right. And remember it isn't the old start menu. It is one that embraces the promise of a laptop/tablet replacement. And the current one does not replace what was left behind.
  • I would disagree with the statement it doesn't meet the promise. Its hang up our the end users who can't embrace the new start menu. I'm more productive than ever with Windows 8, 8.1. All thanks to the brilliant smart search the new start menu brings to the table.
  • while you may be more productive, windows 8 is considered a monumental failure for productivity users like businesses and professionals. There is an exception to every rule, you're just it ;) Take note of how the more they change win 8 to be friendly towards hybrid users, the more they succeed: http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-81-surpasses-windows-8-market-share-windows-xp-still-strong-at-25 at some point you have to embrace the fact that while it would be nice if everybody could start over, most people aren't.
  • Considering I work for medium to large Company's IT department and the entire department is on 8.1 and loving it. I think its hardly an exception.
  • You know how I know it is an exception? MSFT has many customers like you, and their rush to fix windows 8 tells me they are not hearing you as loud as they are hearing others saying the opposite :) you don't fix that which isn't broken. MSFT hasn't said it but their actions speak to the reality: windows 8 is a problem, not a solution.
  • You misinterpret their dedication to make changes as an admission of failure. You should really read the Gizmodo article on all this. They hit it right on the head. Microsoft is attempting to navigate from a Software only company to a Devices and Services company. So what does that mean? As a software only company they could get away with only caring about the Enterprise, but with the shift in direction they have to be more cautious about what the consumer thinks. Unfortunately, the majority of consumers dont adapt well to change, which is why there is so much crying. The OS is forward thinking and achieves what MS had envisioned. Unfortunately, the majority of consumer are resistant to anything they dont understand is causing MS to make steps backward away for their ultimate vision. Its sad to see
  • Personally, I'm fine with both the traditional start menu and the start screen (my laptop is on 8 and desktop is on 7). I can easily transition between both, heck, sometimes I wish I had 8 on my desktop, because it seems more fluid and smooth. However, what I don't like about 8 is that there is the 'divide' between Metro and the Legacy desktop. For example, why is there 2 settings scree (one PC settings and the other is Control panel). This makes it especially frustrating at time (AT CERTAIN TIMES ONLY). Theres also the feeling that metro apps doesn't fits in with the legacy desktops at time, even with 8.1 it did solve some of that issue, but it is still there. I hope that whatever updates that they bring in future can unify both metro and legacy desktop, and bring more of their metro design language to play, instead of some features that you feel is just carried over from 7 and they didn't bother changing. 
  • WHAT is the big deal about a start menu button?? I just don't get it.
  • I hate to say this, but START MENU is no more a headache to me AT ALL. I have thought to give the 8.1 hot corner a chance, and now I find the Start MENU Useless. Actually, I have found that the most common things I need to click is already under the HOT CORNER. I right click it and can directly go there.  Get out of the START MENU hunger, give the 8.1 a soft look, and see for yourself. Most often used things are there already. Starting a Programme is faster than ever. Earlier I had to click, click, selectand click; now I press the windows key, stary typing and ENTER.  NOT IN NEED OF A START MENU, REALLY. 
  • Windows 8.1 interface is fine.  I got used to not having the Start Menu.
  • Windows 8.1 has (2) start screens technically.
  • am i the only one who likes more the current start screen?
  • I still haven't figured out the problem.  The whole Metro screen IS the Start Menu.  How tough is that to figure out and use?  This "issue" is just weird.
  • Exactly.
  • It. Already. Has. A. Start. Menu.
  • This is just getting ridiculous; just split up the OS among device types; Windows 9 Pro for PC desktops and Windows 9 Mobile with hybrid WP/RT for tablets and phones; and Windows 9 Ultimate for those who want both; not sure this will help the PC market but it may end the complaining
  • C'mon it's only a rumour it's may come in the future updates of windows 8.1!
  • Lol
  • They'll be releasing an update on sure for that as consumers complain about that. That's like a primary Windows desktop experience.
  • win 8.x finally seems to be taking off thanks to the tweaks that did not wait. To wait until 2015 is a mistake IMO given a new start menu would be received with the same positive reviews for the back to school season and it is even more important for the 2 in 1 device class that is about to take off. We already saw Asus fire the first shot an no doubt others will follow the 12+ inch laptop/tablet replacement rush. Best of all, given we know MSFT doesn't get UX right the first time, and doesn't get it until users tell it all that is wrong, we actually want this thing in win 8.x so that when they ship it in win 9, it will have been polished by the reviewers and community feedback.  
  • Good if it's true. Microsoft are making u-turns with the Xbox One and Kinect, they don't want to complicate things further or damage their reputation.
  • I want metro apps in windows, start menu - probably not, I'm fine with 8.1 start screen.
  • This would be a terrible move. I like how Windows 8.1 is right now but there are people who want a start menu. They need to add it this summer.
  • Selfishly, doesn't matter to me... It will still be a welcome addition and it will spur on sales of the platform but for me it no longer matters... I am proficient without it.
  • Don't need it
  • What would be cool is if you could pull them out of the tiny menu and have them on the desktop, much like the old widgets, but keep that user customizable and flexable.  I wouldn't want to see them just put the modern UI as the desktop.
  • That's a great idea hope they give you the option!
  • DONT ADD THE START MENU BACK! Stand firm MS!
  • I am with you.
  • I am used to metro as this point...
  • I've yet to meet anyone who thinks MSFT got it right with windows 8 interface.. Except for the people on wpcentral. Seriously this move is coming way too late. There was no reason to ever take out the start menu. Of course anyone could eventually figure out how to work it, but it just confused the hell out of so many people. MSFT also forgot that most Asian retailers don't have the benefit of fantastic salesmen who can help customers acclimatize. This needs to happen yesterday.
  • Excellent news, won't need to update to 9 now bringing it back is just a step back for Windows.
  • Start menu to cater to its enterprise users who are set in ways while others who don't know how to use a computer/PC are supported. End-user support is the big one; how do you explain to a person who is accustomed to Windows 98SE how to use their mouse for charms, or worse, Metro? That would be an IT Helpdesk's nightmare. Tis a sad day because I LOVE Windows 8.1..
    But then are those who hold back true innovation because of lack of support. I feel this is the main reason things don't change as quickly as you or I would like.
  • I find no need for the start menu anymore. Everything is so fast and easy to get to now.
  • I love windows 8, WITHOUT the start menu.
  • Vista was the test ground for Windows 7. So let Windows 8 take all the heat so Windows 9 launches to fanfare.
  • Fanfare? I don't think there has to me more focus on fanfare, the priority should be development. Coz people started loving start menu coz Microsoft made them know about it on the first place! If they hadn't introduced it, then people wouldn't have been obsessed.
    So I think there is no need of start menu. If u really want, make it an option.
  • But... But... No!
  • I also think it's a smart move, just like they saved their assess from Vista problems with Windows 7 which really isn't much different than patched up Vista.
  • I can't find a news source for this, so I am just going off memory, but I distinctly remember the tech press and consumers bashing the Start button when it was released, saying things like, "Only Microsoft would have a Start button to turn off a computer, der dee der...", and now those same folks cried bloody murder when Microsoft changed it from a menu to a screen. Not to be flip, but how does one get out of bed each morning when changing from a button to a more functional screen causes them to become completely unproductive as they seem to claim? Push on with the Screen Microsoft, I would rather computing move forward.
  • As much as I love Windows 8 on my surface, bad choice Microsoft. A whole year of selling less copies. Dumb choice. Dumb Microsoft.
  • +1 I love the win8 tech: modern apps. Cloud sync. Low power and memory usage. Lower storage reqs. Maybe they know people will pay for this update and this is a way to milk the windows cow one last time before they have to give it away for free to keep android in check.
  • If W8 was bombing so badly they would release this change earlier.  The fact is, W8 is selling well and the general public are getting used to the changes.  MS can afford to hold off on the change.  Only the media and the squeaky wheels claim that W8 is the worst thing ever.
  • W8 remains a sales let down from every metric imaginable. This is a terminal patient. They just put a rag on the patient to stop the bleeding but I'm affraid amputation is required. So in fact the best way to ensure win9 is a hit is to make win8 suck a bit more by not putting this fix in place. In other words, you know it is a lost case when they give up, not because it suddenly fixed itself as you suggest. quite the opposite: I think we can start making room for win8 next to win vista as MSFT top disaster OS.
  • No need for start button, but give us a powerful fileexplorer in modern UI
  • There are many users who need the old start screen; it's more for usability for previous Windows users. Sure if you're a WP user then the Windows metro variant is very intuitive. But as an OS, it can be cumbersome for people just needing to use internet, email, and basic functions. This would be smarter for them to do this sooner rather than later.
  • Marketing decision.  Windows 8 is already a lost cause, like Vista.  They need to show all the people who wrote Windows 8 off as crap that they learned from their mistakes and fixed things for Windows 9, just like Windows 7 after Vista.  It's a lot harder to tell people "well give Windows 8 another chance, we fixed all the problems in Windows 8.1 Update 2" than it is to say "forget Windows 8, Windows 9 is something new and you should give it a try".  By the way, "Windows 8.1 Update 2" is truly awful naming.  I know MS takes pride in their tradition of horrific product naming but they can't afford to screw around with this stuff anymore now that they're sliding more and more rapidly into irrelevance.
  • So you want the start button back......well go to the windows store and download one, there are a bunch of free ones and some you have to pay for. Pick one and stop crying. The metro page is the start button.
  • That pic looks stupid. I love windows 8.1
  • This looks like it's almost straight out of Jay Machalani's Windows 8.2 proposals.  I heard Microsoft invited him to Redmond to discuss his design and ideas, and it looks like they are actually implementing his start menu concepts.
  • That's good. They are listening to us. Maybe they will get back Zune player when windows phone 9 comes out :P
  • I think its a step backwards.. if anything they should remove the desktop entirely and replace it with the start screen tile interface, keeping the start bar at the bottom.. just my opinion
  • I just want a shut down button when I press "start" icon
  • Right click it.
  • Right-click on the start icon... it gives you the shutdown options right there
  • Desktop apps and icons need to be flat too
  • From what I understand (talking to a Win dev at BUILD), the new start menu would be released sometime between update2 and Win9.
  • MS is playing smart by not bringing the Start menu back in Win 8.1. MS knows that whatever damage Win 8 has done won't mend things much comparatively if it throws in the Start menu in the next iteration of Windows. Ppl will have a 'big' reason to upgrade to Win 9..
  • The right time for Microsoft to as the old Start menu is never. There's nothing wrong with the Start screen, and backing of more than they have will just undermine their efforts with Windows Store apps and getting real buy-in from developers.
  • read the article. this is not the "old start menu".
  • Not quite, but close enough. Still a dumb move.
  • Exactly. And more so, they are pissing off those of us who actually liked their product the way it originally was and paid for it. This is not the way to do it. You can't please everyone, MS. Are you working for your detractors or for your customers?
  • This would be a very silly decision for Microsoft to make. They've demoed it (along with modern apps in desktop windows) to almost universally positive feedback so they need to push it out asap. It doesn't need to be perfect, or a complete modern reinvention of the start menu, it just needs to work. The features shown at the demo were absolutely fine and no more is really needed as a 1.0 release. Sure it needs to be updated and refined further for Windows 9 but right now, there's a lot of people out there that want this and deserve to have it sooner rather than later. That this is a consideration has me worried for Windows 9 as it needs a heck of a lot more going for it than the return of the start menu to get MS back in the mindshare game.
  • +1. Everybody who has seen this at work loves it. You don't realize how much people dislike windows 8.1 until you give them a way out of it. Even our staff which was on 8.0 and 8.1 from day one get excited about the possibility of getting back to the windows they love while having the modern UI options.
  • I Think We Must Accept The New Os Which Is Gr8. What Is The Difficulties in Metro UI It Should Be Solved By Proper Knowledge. I Also Think That We Have To Certainly Learned Firstly What Is PC And After That What Is MS-OS. So, Think For Future And Accept The Changes With Greater Respect Towards The Developers.
  • Man is this ugly!!! Windows 8 is getting uglier with the versions as they start giving in to the weird requests of those who are attached to the past. Or whatever reasons to not learn to like W8. Windows 9 is going to look like that car Homer Simpson helped design.
  • I really don't see the point of adding it back, its better without it. They are only doing it for old people or people who can't learn the better way of doing things. Go run to apple or linux if you don't like it. You can't say that you can do it because you only have a mouse and no touch screen because you can do everything with a mouse and actually more. Just learn how to do it, heaven forbid someone learn how to do something, especially when its more efficient.
  • it is hard to decide for MS - Many Pro users does need old start menu but many low lvl users need to have the same menu...I know MS always do the right thing. by the way Windows 8.1 Update 1 is GREAT!
  • No rush. I prefer no start button anyways
  • Start menu, windowed apps, etc should be an option, just like boot to desktop and PC Settings should include all these options. I like it how it is right now, but I understand some people want this update. I can see marketing speaking why it would come in "W9" instead of Windows 8.x, but W8.x users have just recently paid, it should be a free update for Windows 8.x users and do all the markenting for this W9 with start menu and the usual charging. Honestly, this doesn't seem like a major update to me.
  • Why should it be? 2015 is 3 years windows 8 has been out.. Release date Friday October 26 2012. This I not XP land..
  • I wont use it. I hope its optional. I enjoy the new experience.
  • I see the possibility of synced start screens between WP8.1 & W8.2/9 with that new start menu.
  • I don't get it. Wouldn't Metro be that much further along in Win 9, so why would we need it then...?
  • Sounds like a decision driven by their sales team rather than their customer service team. "Why give them back what we took away when we can sell it back instead?" Idiots. I now like the Start screen (after hating it for many months) but many people still don't, so just give us the *choice*.
  • Still don't get the need to have a start menu inside another start menu (the entire Windows 8 Modern UI is the start menu).... 
  • I know there are those who want changes to the Start button and I glad Microsoft is listening to them. Still, I find the Start button debate pointless. Since I don't use it, I could care less what they do with it. Including changes in Win9 works for me.
  • I really don't miss the start button. Back on Vista and then 7 I was using it pretty much like I do now with W8; type and open.
  • what people hate is separate feeling of metro and desktop, and constant move and back between them. So what ms NEED TO DO , either make metro app run on the desktop in windows or get rid of the desktop and windows app run always in full screen like metro apps.
  • I'm hoping Microsoft will make non metro app tiles look sexier. Right now they look horrible. They also need to update all non metro ui to look sexier as well. For instance when you right click on the desktop. That menu that appears is code from windows95. All menu systems need to be modernized. Straight up.
  • I'll also add this thought. There are a lot of different sized windows 8 tablets out there. I'd love to see the option of vertical start screen scroll like wp. Call it orientation scroll. This could be optional. I'd love to have this on my dvp 8. My 2 cents.
  • That move certainly makes sense.
  • I think they should hold off indefinitely. I love the start screen. I love to see innovative change. I also hate Windows 7. Its old tech. Windows 8.1 update 1 is almost perfect. Its far more stable than 7 or lmao XP ever was. I can understand the computer illiterate complaining about the start menu but it is sad how many power users are just following the crowd. Its sad. I always install a new OS on the day it is released and adapt to the changes. Microsoft knows what is best for Windows. Accept the change so that we can move into the future. I just hope they leave an option to disable the new start menu for those who can accept change. I wish people would just take the time to learn how to use the start screen and all the other shortcuts in 8.1 and they would see how the changes would benefit them.
  • The start menu sucks c**k.