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A quick look at the new keyboard caret in Word Flow for Windows Phone 8.1

The new Word Flow keyboard in Windows Phone 8.1 has a lot going for it, but there's a subtle change in how you edit words using the caret (aka cursor for some, 'blinking vertical line' for others) that you may have missed. In Windows Phone 8.0, you had to hold-n-press to bring up the caret, but now in 8.1 you can just tap in between words. What's more, the caret now has a little circle at the bottom where you can "grab it" with your finger and move it around.

Curious about how it works? Watch our short video after the break which will compare and contrast it with Windows Phone 8.0.

The revised caret in Windows Phone 8.1 has some of you enjoying it, while others are a little frustrated. In that regard, we're curious as to what you think. Is it easier now or did you like the old method? Let us know in comments!

Daniel Rubino is the Executive Editor of Windows Central, head reviewer, podcast co-host, and analyst. He has been covering Microsoft here since 2007, back when this site was called WMExperts (and later Windows Phone Central). His interests include Windows, Microsoft Surface, laptops, next-gen computing, and arguing with people on the internet.

311 Comments
  • I hate the new cursor.
  • Same here.. Old one was way better..
  • If you touch the bubble and move the caret along, you can also move your finger down, so the caret and words are more visible. As the caret stays put when first selected and moves as above, I really do prefer the updated version.
  • I like the updated version too. In the old one, once you let go the cursor and if you mis-placed it, you had to start all over again. This one is easier and quicker.
  • Agree!!
  • Yes! New cursor ftw!!! While it shocked me at first, I quickly discovered how much better it is. :)
  • Try entering a comment in the FB app. Swipe left to move the caret and suddently you are in the chat window. WTF?   The old caret was great because it had everything that the new one does (including the ability to keep the finger away from the point where the caret really is, thereby not obscuring the screen)   The inability to invoke the caret with ease (the old one had a guaranteed method - long press anywhere) is one my biggest annoyances with WP8.1
  • I agree. Even in the video, you see Daniel has a dificult time envoking it. The old way (once you knew about it) it was great for precise movement. I could move it up and down, left or right, though paragraphs and see exactly where it was going. Now... not so. You need to envoke it on line of the paragraph (trying desperately not to select the entire word) and basicly just move it left or right. Try moving it up a line or two and my finger covers it up, and I can't tell where the frak it is!!!!! I will concede that the old way took a bit longer because of the long press to envoke it. But how about combining the two ways? A quick tap and you get the new caret method, a long press and you get the old caret method?????? For me, old method was why I like WP over iOS, or Android. I could move around to edit text so much easier with my fat fingers. Sadly now I'm back to wanting to smash the phone on the ground when I have to edit text. :(
  • Daniel had no clue have to invoke it, this video is so wrong in so many ways that it makes me angry. There are two methods to invoke caret in 8.1 -
    1) press and hold where you want caret to appear, similar way of 8.0, but slightly different as it will appear right under your finger rather than above your finger.
    2) tap on the word and it will highlight the word, with slight delay tap second time on the same word and you will have your caret.
    This has been pointed out about two dozen times in comments, but in typical fashion of WPC, they have ignored to acknowledge that they have made a boo-boo or update the article with correct information.
  • Discovery... That's why they changed it.  I remember just a few months ago they were doing something and this was shown in a video.  Tons of people were like "OMG, you can do that!?".  I've seen it on other mobile blogs too, where the reviewer would complain about no easy way to move the caret and someone in the comments would point it out.  They wouldn't always update the article. I get that if you knew about the old method it was great.  But considering they're trying to get more people to buy into the OS these types of changes are important.  Say what you will but the new way makes a lot more sense if you didn't know about the old.  And discovering the old way wasn't exactly intuitive.
  • I wish they'd just give the option to choose between the 2 caret methods...
  • Plenty of times I've come across the keyboard being over the stupid bubble. it's terrible.
  • Not suitable at all for multi-line text entry... Where I happen to need it more often
  • I found the new one better..... Mainly because now it allows you to correct a mistake in the middle of a word without having to delete the whole word. Earlier it was not possible and it used to frustrate me a lot......
  • It was entirely possible...
  • I just watched the video and agree with you it was possible. But i'd had my 920 for over a year and had no idea it was. I always felt it was one of the few areas where WP really needed to catch up with Android and iOS, little did I know it had, but it was not obvious. So that as much as anything is a good reason they have changed it.
  • Same here!
  • Lol it was possible, but you had to tap and hold exactly where you wanted the cursor to land.. I agree with most here! The new one is better; especially because you can hold the bottom and move it while keeping the words visible
  • In WP 8.0 after tapping and holding you you could move the cursor freely. How the duck did you miss that?
  • This is the single most annoying thing of Windows phone. Drove me completely insane. Awesome that they finally fixed it...
  • but new seems faster :)
  • Same here. Old one was perfect, imo.
  • Eh I personally think Apple is a bit better in the whole text selection grand scheme of things. Especially when selecting a group of text from a web page, like a whole paragraph or some thing like that.
  • What's hard with 8.1? Select the first word in the paragraph and then drag the circle down. I just tried it and found it very easy. How is IOS better?
  • I agree. Text selection is just as easy on my 920 as it is on my daughters 4S. They are just slightly different. Not really a big deal.
  • ditto!
  • +1 i hate the new one also. It's shitty.
  • Actually it's not bad when you learn to use it :)
  • Same here. Once you learn the hang of it, the new one is way easier and more accurate to use compared to the hit-and-miss of the old one.
  • New one is more accurate for me, but the finger gets in the way of the cursor.
  • Then lower your finger; you can grab the circle from below. No need to keep your finger over the caret line.
  • Same. My thumb always covers the cursor despite the fact I grab it from the little circle. The old one was better because it would float above my finger. 
  • Exactly!
  • All you have to do is to tap the little circle and then drag your finger below the cursor
    It will behave exactly the same as before. You will be able to move your finger around and still see the cursor clearly.
  • Actually you can tap and drag you finger away from the cursor and the cursor will still moving ;) Personally I found myself a little bit odd for the first time but now getting used to it. It's more faster to make any correction. A nice feature imo because it get you sync in experience between using touch screen keyboard in your Windows 8.1 and using keyboard for Windows Phone 8.1 :)
  • It did? It frustrated me!
  • +over 9000 Hate the new cursor.
  • This one too, don't grab it right on the top of the circle, grab it slightly below the circle and it has more or less the same effect.
  • +1
  • I don't like it..also it's not functional in Whatsapp.
  • How is it not functional? Sorry, I am not being funny, I really like to know.
  • Just tested right now, works as advertised on Whatsapp.
  • Having used Android before moving to WP, that cursor was a good 5% of the reason I left.
  • I actually like the new one.
  • This cursor is much better. I could never get the old one to go where I wanted it to.
  • Yeah, me tooo....
  • 2:59
  • Same here. The old one was perfect. I don't like the new one. An option to switch between the old and the new behavior would very nice.
  • Me too.
  • Yup, this is one of those small changes that no one asked for & makes the experience more frustrating.
  • I asked for it.
  • Me too. The new one is more like how it works at Windows 8.1, but I prefer the windows phone 8.0 cursor by far! They should implement the WP 8.0 cursor style to Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 instead of the other way around! Problem with the new cursor is that:
    1) the bubble is too small to select it easily and 
    2) when touching a word it is in 'selection mode' automatically and it is almost impossible to go back to the 'cursor moving mode'
  • 2) second tap on the same highlighted word changes it to cursor, easy as pie.
  • Hi Mayur, your asnwer is not quite correct thugh. It does not checge to cursor mode but shows the carot and only changes back to the blinking cursor when you start typing. So correct asnweres to WPJansens problems would be: Ignore the bubble under the carot since you can easyly move it with tap 'n hold as follows: If you see the blinking cursor: Tap 'n Hold anywhere you would like the carot to apear and then release your finger. The carot will be at the postition your finger was. To move it simply Tap 'n Hold again anywhere and move your finger; the carot will follow. No need to aim for that bubble thingy. If you the carot is already visible in your text field: Tap 'n Hold anywhere you want to move the carot to and move your finger ever so slightly and the carot wil jump to your finger's postition. As Mayur already explained, if you tap the selected word again the carot will apear either at the beginning or end of the word; depending on whether you tapped the word mor left or right of its center. From here you can move it as described above I hope that cleared out your problem you have with the repositioning of the cursor/carot. By the way, this behavior is almost the same as it was with the old implementation, only that the selecting braket is now no longer popping up a row above, so I personaly do not understand why people are now so confused. (ó.Ò)a
    It is much more precise now.
  • Thats sounds well thought out. Have to try it out. I am still concerned that it is again not very intuitive. And it is a very important issue to perceive a device as productive. 
  • Main problem with the new caret is that your finger always blocks your sight. That's why the old WP8.0 caret worked that well! You could move your finger no matter where on the screen and the caret moved at a nice distance above your finger. Suggestion to Microsoft is make the bubble bigger or to place it a bit lower underneath the caret.
  • I hate it infinity.
  • Its different. Similar to the surface online keyboard - Eventually it will become normal.
  • I hate this new method. The old way was more intuitive. Glad this video exists because I have up. The old way was easily more "discoverable" since other phone systems were similar.
  • So you knew intuitively that you had to hold you finger on the screen for a few seconds to appear? The other phone systems are more like this. Tapping to select the word and then draging to select more items is more intuitive. Most people are used to tapping to select items. Tap and hold isn't really that intuitive.
  • +820 on 4.3 es too tiny to select the circle. the old one appears "over" the finger, war the best cursor like iOS cursor.
  • If you hate it, you can ignore it. Just erase everything and start over. That's what I due. Dang.
  • So let's say I've written like 2000 words of an essay and decide to do some quick touch ups on my phone and notice a mistake mid way through it, are you seriously suggesting I rewrite like one thousand words of my essay on my phone?
  • yikes!!!why do u people always beat me?
  • Its just awesome . Super . Fantastic .
  • +1520, lovin' the new cursor! I wish if they add a cursor in phone dialer too! Vote for it here http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/101801-feature-suggestions/suggestions/2294827-cursor-in-phone-dialler-to-allow-editing
  • Daniel, how do you like it.?
  • TBH, not too sure. I think i like the new one a bit, but the difference isn't big enough for me to have a strong opinion on the matter (unlike others).
  • Daniel, it is not that difficult, first tap highlights the whole word and second tap on the same word changes to caret and puts it at the end or the beginning of the word (depending on where you tapped). You don't specifically need to aim for the space between words.
  • But that's what WP 8.0 does too, so there's nothing new here?
  • Yes there is. When you let go on the new one it still stays there and can be re-adjusted till you start editing. The old one would not let you reposition without restarting the whole process of hold and wait.
  • Exactly, the old one was one shot deal, once you let go you could not reposition it and if you made a mistake then you had to start the whole tap and hold routine all over again.
  • Oh, very nice!
  • ^this Plus, if you tap 'n hold, the caret jumps to your fingertip as soon as you move you finger a bit & the carot can be moved without actually taping on the caret. If you have the cursor and then tap 'n hold anywhere the caret apears at your fingertip which you then only can move if you release and tap 'n hold again (I think it is kind of because switching into repositioning mode). This also shows that Daniels' video in the article could use a little refinement; it is just only displaying half of the full functionallity. I personally really like the new style; it is sooooo much easier to use.
  • You are a lifesaver... Just could not figure it out. But now I'm sold, the new method is phenomenal... There just weren't any instructions on how to use it.
  • Omg!!! Thank you for this tip!!! I hated the wp8 cursor method as I used Office a ton on my phone and editing was horrible with that wp8 cursor design. Wp8.1 was a step on the right direction though it was better in windows 8/8.1 in Office. But your tip totally made me love wp8.1 method
  • thank you SO much! i didn't know the thing about the second tap! amazing. now i can work with the new cursor even faster and better than with the old one. before it was kind of frustrating to find the free space where the cursor could arrive. (y)
  • Better, better, better.
  • It's kinda hard to get used on the new corser
  • Try double tapping with a delay. Easiest way to activate it.
  • I'm on the fence. It's nice not holding down and having to wait, but it does seem trickier to grab/place it. There are some times though where the new one has been better, like posting within forum fields.
  • You don't need to click on the circle, you can point and click on the cursor itself.
  • Lemme try it out first :P
  • ...is anything stoppping you from trying?
  • Maybe he was waiting for an invitation?
  • From my experience, it didn't really change, it added another method. You can still long press to get the caret... or just double tap between the words. It doesn't work for me from the first tap. Always 2 taps. So it's a double tap, plus the traditional long press.
  • There is no long press in the new version. Or rather, the long press would start the cursor grab. Now it places the cursor, but that's ultimately useless because you cannot possibly use your fat thumb to pin point where you want the cursor to go...
  • I like the circle, but i don't like that it appears at the end of whatever I've typed and I have to move it to the error I want to correct. It's not easier to edit after typing a couple of paragraphs.
  • older one was better...this will work better if the circle is a little bigger maybe
  • +1
  • It was confusing at first. But once you get used to it, this one is faster actually. While dragging the cursor, you can put your finger slightly below the line, and the cursor will not jump to the next line and still stay on the first line. I have a fat finger myself, and find the new one quite comfortable.
  • From the video, it's quite evident that Daniel was struggling hard with the tiny stupid caret of 8.1. The old one was perfect and quite user friendly.. New caret is quite tedious to use..
  • Yeah, it was pretty obvious he had issues in the video with the new method.
  • He actually didn't know that you can tap and hold to activate as well.
  • Or tap twice on the same word, with slight delay...
  • I don't think the speed of the tap matters. I just did quick (I mean very quick) double tap, it still works. The cursor will end up either at the beginning or the end of the tapped word.
  • I tried again with my normal speed of double tap, still can't make it work :( strangely enough I always need little pause in between. Maybe I am not tapping it right ;)
  • Actually, you were right. On some apps, you have to have a bit of delay. I was using the email app to test it on, where no delay was needed. When I tried on TextNow, that delay was needed for sure.
  • This one is much easier to use than the old one...
  • I thought the old way worked better. I accidentally swipe into another screen now, and have a harder time seeing the caret under my finger.
  • While dragging the caret around, you can place your finger on the next line, and the caret will still stay on the line above it. That will put your finger slightly below the caret too, making it easier to see the cursor and even the little dot.
  • New cursor > old cursor ..... By a mile. The old cursor would almost always end up in the wrong place
  • Love it, but wish they'd have kept the tap and hold as well.. doesn't make sense to remove an old feature that wouldn't affect usability with a newer feature.
  • +1
  • It is still there. If you have nothing selected in your text and the cursor is blinking: Tap 'n hold and the carot will apear where your finger tip is. If you already have the carot: Tap 'n hold anywhere and then slightly move your finger and the carot will jump to whereever your finger is. Daniel's video is sadly not showing the full functionallity. I would wish a little more research would be done before posting these articles nowadays. It is quite annoying having quadrillions of articles popping up for WP 8.1, each only covering one single feature, and then the facts are not 100% complete. :/
  • I swear I had tried it at one point and it didn't work.. but you're right it is still there. In any case, I'll make no use of it with the new way to move it around. I find it to be way more convenient.
  • +920
  • My sentiments exactly, they should have done little more research before making this half arsed video. One of the best new feature of 8.1 has been completely misrepresented.
  • In my opinion, no mobile OS handles cursor management very well. I am on the fence with WP 8.1.
  • LG Quantum with WP 7.x did it very well with arrow keys on the keyboard. All WM devices did it even better with arrow keys AND a proper stylus. Capacitive touch is shit for anything that requires accuracy and the big fat styluses available kinda blow. It's like using a magic marker for everything and makes me feel like I'm in Kindergarten again.
  • Nokia n9 had arrows too, frigging genius.
  • I like it better
  • I think I like it. We will get use to it
  • I am partial towards it. On one hand it makes moving the cursor around a little easier, on the other hand it scrolls a lot slower when you've typed out a huge paragraph. It takes time to get used to and I get that, but the word flow shit I find to be much slower, and interferes with my insanely fast typing skills. Can we have an option to disable it?
  • U can still type normally though, isn't it?
  • There is an option to disable it, in the keyboard settings.
  • I MUCH prefer the swipe keyboard myself, but yeah there I is an option to disable it buried within the keyboard settings on your phone. http://www.wpcentral.com/do-you-swipe-with-your-windows-phone-81-word-fl...
  • I initially hated it but am now getting the hang of it.
  • I'm not a big fan. Maybe I have big fingers or something, but I seem to tap on a place that I want to edit, and it almost always highlights the word instead of moving the cursor to the spot I want. I'll tap again and it highlights a different word. Often it takes 3 or 4 attempts before I get it to where I want it. I liked the old way better.
  • The old implementation had the exact same behavior as you described. To make your life easier: If you tap and a whole word gets selected instead of getting the carot at the end or beginning, than tap the word selected word again and depending on wheter you taped it more to the left the carot will apear at the beginning of the word, or you taped it mor on the right and the carot will apear on the end of the word. It is pretty simple, really. To make your life even easier: To avoid getting a whole word selected where you tap, just tap 'n hold and the carot will apear whereever you placed your finger at (if the carot was already somewhere showing you would need to move your finger ever so slightly to have it jump to your finger) You're welcome.
  • Interesting. Discoverability was definitely a problem, but once it was discovered it worked pretty well. Im sure I will get used to it. I'm glad it's not gone altogether! Arrow keys on the Quantum was still the best method for moving the cursor. RIP WP keyboards.
  • You're right. The old way wasn't all the obvious to begin with, and the new way is even less so! Articles like this help, but think of all the people who will never see this article and will just settle for being frustrated with windows phone keyboard forever...
  • I absolutely HATED the old method and much prefer the new way. Anyone who disagrees is just plain wrong! :) :P Why, you ask? Because before the cursor would inevitably shift when lifting my finger, so being precise was a pain in the ass. Now, although it takes practice to learn how to grab it properly (WATCH THE VIDEO instead of just commenting), it's incredibly precise.
  • I sooooo agree with you. The old one sucked .. 100000.....times!!! I don't understand all this hate.. The New one is super easy to use!!! It's not even necessary to have to grab the circle. Once you get the cursor between words, you can just drag in any direction and it's sooooooo FAST!! (dragging it shamelessly now..up down right left... diagonally lmao) ..
  • Why would dragging a cursor be different in the new "system"?
  • Maybe the accuracy of the old system was dependent to some extent on the screen. I never once had a problem placing the cursor.
  • Both are irritating to use, but for different reasons.  The old one had an irritating delay before you could use it; the new one has too small of a grab region, and it is too close to the actual beam so your finger gets in the way.  The best touchscreen cursor is the one on Blackberry OS 10.  Its cursor has a ring around it that you can tap to move the cursor in that direction, like an (unobtrusive) on-screen d-pad.
  • I like it EXCEPT my finger gets in the way more. The double tap is fine, but liked when the caret was a couple milimiters above my thumb in 8.0
  • Hate it. The old one was much easier to control.
  • Love the old method, will take little to assist to the new, but hot damn do I love word flow
  • I'll have to use WP 8.1 before I can really judge it. I just don't understand why they changed it.
  • The old way was much better and easier. Also expanding the selection was better.
  • Weird I find it easier to move around where the old one would jump around on me, why so much hate?
  • Hate it
  • Its ok not really a deal breaker for me.
  • The ball at the bottom of it should be a bit larger to make it easier to grab. Yes, that's what she said too. The other problem is I keep highlighting a whole word when trying to place it.
  • I like the old cursor better. It was more accurate & easier to place. Once you had the cursor you could move your finger all over the screen, the new one you can't.
  • The old way was perfect. With the new i find myself losing the cursor. Let's have a choice between old
    And new.
  • Today I learned the word 'caret'.
  • lol i too had no clue what this article was about when i saw it on my wpcentral live tile
  • Lol me too!
  • Too bad it's actually the word for this character, '^'. Not another word for "cursor". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caret
  • Just going to post this. Wrong lingo peeps!
  • "In computing, a cursor is an indicator used to show the position on a computer monitor or other display device that will respond to input from a text input or pointing device. The flashing text cursor may be called a caret, as in caret browsing.[1] The mouse cursor is also called a pointer,[2] owing to its arrow shape on some systems"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursor_(computers)
  • Yes, I can't find any use of the term caret where the term cursor is to be used. The term cursor has been used since before electronic computers and represents a marker for position indication and is what the vertical slider on a slide rule is called. Caret has been around since the late 1600's and is the '^' character. Daniel, are you trying to change the definitions or something?
  • I like it much better than the old way, but iOS is still way ahead in this respect.
  • It takes 3x longer to use the new one. That's if I get it to work on the first try.
  • I hate the new version. Especially toward the bottom of text boxes, since it's almost as likely that I'll hit the miniscule dot at the bottom as I will select a suggested word from Word Flow... Boo. At the end of the day, though, it's a pretty minor issue to me...
  • You can still tap-and-hold to get the caret to appear, but the rest is the same as the video.
  • It takes getting used to. I'm so used to the tap and hold method that the trap anywhere method is a little weird...
  • You video is misleading... You are placing the caret on the last line of text on 8.1 and on the second to last on 8. Actually in 8.1 if you're not on the last line you have to place your finger almost right over the text to place the caret, it's horrible!!
  • There one more thing to the new cursor. When it is just beside a word you get suggestions so if you got to change a word you dont necessarily need to select the entire word. It was very tough during the old days to go to the top after you have written a lot and need to change a word you can now easily scroll and get to the word you want to change ..rather than holding for the cartel moving upwards and waiting for the little arrow to reach the exact line you wanted to edit
  • Preferred the old one. With ie11 have had issues where I meant to move the cursor but ended up going back a page.... That is so annoying. Wish I could disable that silly swiping thing, that's something I do have a strong opinion of!
  • The biggest thing I like about it is it lets you select only portions of a word instead of only full words.
  • i dont like the new way now :/ i prefered the old way beacuse i can see were it was and wherei could move it to
  • You still can
  • You still can with the new one. While dragging the cursor, put your fingertip below the cursor, and the cursor will still stay on the same line. That way, you can see the cursor and even the little dot.
  • The new one is way easier to use than old curser. Very intuitive and clear for me, old one was a mess, jumpy and never accurate - new one is perfect.
  • I hate it. Sine apps like Facebook messenger hide it with their crappy UI on their text box and BAM no handle to move it. You're stuck
  • I think the old way was much better. I can't see the cursor now when I try to place it. My finger gets in the way. I can understand why they changed it though. A long press would probably mess with the word flow logic. I would be fine with it if only they put the cursor slightly above my finger instead of under it. They just need to tweak it.
  • They're both fine. You guys need to not have a strong opinion on something. Give it a whirl.
  • It already worked fine. Why did they change it. My thumb covers it up when I try to move the cursor and sometimes it's hard to grab.
  • What i don't like is the position of the cursor that will cause my thumb covering the word, so i should see the screen more thoroughly (I should tilt my phone a bit to see from above my thumb).
  • Much easier to grab the thing and highlight text now too
  • Actually, what the video failed to show was that if you just long press then drag your finger, the cursor them moves with you. You may not get a popup cursor, but it works the same way. Until I literally just found that, i thought the new cursor was crap as well. That being said, the video did an amazing job at exaggerating the supposed "difficulty" of using the old cursor to try to fanboy the new one in. #wp81doesnowrong
  • Its funny how people hate change, no matter if its for the better ;) The new one is awesome when you know how to use it correctly
  • Really miss the old one.
  • I also liked the old one better. It was easier to see since it was a bit above my thumb instead of under my thumb.
  • The circle to move the "Caret" is Just to small, that i would change. a Little bit bigger would be just fine.
  • I don't find it too different to the old one. Just takes a little getting used to.
  • I liked the old caret more that was easy to move... Actually that was habitual...
  • #1: I've decided I love the word 'caret' #2: At first I struggled with the updated keyboard and caret. Now that I'm more familiar with the changes, it makes sense and I love it
  • Agreed. Until this article, I was using it wrong and thought the cursor was borked. It actually works better.
  • The new cursor is much better than the old way! Way more precise and usable.
  • Sucks. I liked the older caret better.
  • That's not a caret. This character, '^' is a caret. You correctly pointed out that it's called a cursor, but that is its only name (minus "blinky thing" for those who don't know what to call it). Anyway, I like the new cursor overall, as it feels more precise to move around your text and doesn't skip drastically when you move it over muliple lines of text. However, I wish there was more of a response when you long press. The cursor just disappears under your finger.
  • "In computing, a cursor is an indicator used to show the position on a computer monitor or other display device that will respond to input from a text input or pointing device. The flashing text cursor may be called a caret, as in caret browsing.[1] The mouse cursor is also called a pointer,[2] owing to its arrow shape on some systems"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursor_(computers)
  • Previous version was better and more precise :)
  • I prefer the up up updated version
  • The old one was fantastic. I think MS is trying to make WP more accessible for switchers, but by doing that the OS is loosing its particularities and its SOUL
  • I hated it, but now that I know how it works, I might change my mind
  • So far I haven't liked the new cursor, but that could be because I've been somewhat unclear on how it functions. I'll have to give it more time, but I will say I had no problems with the old one...
  • I actually find the updated version much better!! I hated pressing down and waiting for the cursor to pop up. The updated version is better cause its right there. However it could be better.
  • Old is gold that was perfect
  • I didn't even know how to do it. But now because of the video I do.
  • I preferred the old way, but I'm getting used to the new one. I do wish the line was longer so I could see more above my finger where the location of the cursor is.
  • I prefer the new one.
  • Thank you! I thought my keyboard had a bug.
  • Bigger better, need bigger circle. Getting used to this one now
  • At first I hate the new one, specially when you have 3 lines and if you are on third line and want to go to first line because the finger blocks the caret and can't see if already moves up. If want to see the caret, you need to move little down your finger and somethimes you go to second line instead of first. Need practice I didn't hate anymore, but prefer the old caret
  • This is my problem too, moving up through text I can't see the caret under my finger for positioning. It should stay floating above the finger while moving and at times it seems slow to respond to movement.
  • Anyone knows of a quick way to select all?
  • I think my main problem with the new caret is that it isn't too obvious how it works. I didn't know I could tap and drag the circle to move it around until I read this article.
  • I got used to the previous method
    Now eventually I'll get used to this one too
    So no big deal
  • Slightly prefer the old one, but getting used to the new. Sure in time I'll have forgotten about the change completely!
  • While I liked the look of the old one, the behavior of the new one is less frustrating, so I like the new one better
  • Way better than the previous one....
  • I like the new one! It's faster to shift if you did not get it right!
  • If you do it right or if the cursor its self was positioned better.. Its works fine if you can see where you putting it. Its not the user this time, its the cursor for sure..
  • I hate the new one, the old one allowed you to see where you are putting your cursor. The new one is right under your finger making it tougher to position the cursor in the correct location. The cursor needs to be positioned above the finger like the old one. Even in the video demo you can see the person having a bit of a hard time. Its clear that the positioning needs to be corrected.
  • I dunno, maybe it's good for big screens, like L15/1320 but on my L720 new cursor is just terrible. It's always under finger, I don't see it, sometimes it's just not working
  • Exactly
  • I don't understand why both of the cursors can be kept. There are many other differences between the new and the older OS but why I'm not able to choose between the solutions?!  
  • I am frustrated and I hate it.
  • Well, on beginning I hated it too but now I am certain that the new one is superior. Is all about habits.
  • I like the new cursor.
  • For writing text messages, increasing the font size, also increases the size of the cursor. So for those with larger fingers, they can give it a try. I don't know , works for me.
  • Until now I didn't even know you could hold down to move the cursor. Its something thats driven me nuts too.
  • This new caret is much better! +1520
  • Most of the time my finger is in the way to see where the f***ing caret is. But anyway... it is better than the old one.
  • Then lower your finger.
  • Took about a day but now I prefer it. Clearly a lot of people here just haven't figured out how to use it. Keep trying guys, you'll get there.
  • New one is okay. Old one was slightly less okay. Honestly, still prefer how Apple does it with their magnifying glass.
  • I liked the old one much better.... It was so much easier
  • I really liked the old one, this one reminds me of how the iPhone does it.
  • It doesn't matter to me at all.
  • Vastly improved editing capability. I hated the old caret controls.
  • New one looking terrible :/
  • Right now its a little frustrating, but I'm getting better with the new keyboard quick. Just being able to swipe text is more than enough to make me love it.
  • Much more accurate now. Scrolls along a line like cursor key not floating and hoping you stopped at the right place. Plus you don't have to keep your finger in the text area and you can even use two fingers for better placement. Anchor it with one then move up lines and then use another finger to move across, like an X and Y axis.
  • I am still getting used to the new one, The old one was a lot better.
  • I can't seem to get the cursor to stop in the middle of a word.
  • I like the new one, but in some apps the bubble gets obscured by other stuff and its difficult to get ahold of it. I guess we just need all apps to get updated to 8.1
  • I had problems with the old one where it would move when I tried to pick up my finger. Drove me nuts. So far the new one seems ok.
  • Once you learn how to use the new method or really is awesome, even better than the old one
  • Swype on Android has arrow keys, and anything less than that is just different sides of the same poop.
    I mean, you could either tap the left key a couple times to delete a character in a word, or you can pretend that using your biggest finger to precisely manipulate the smallest thing on the screen is totally a good idea. After playing around with this my thoughts are: Equally as bad as 8.0.
  • Its okay if you are scrolling through the same line, but its kinda gets difficult if you have to scroll through a paragraph cant even see the caret underneth my finger it goes to the line below if I try to drag it down and see the actual position of the caret.
  • I loathe the new cursor. It doesn't matter how many times I try to grab that evil little circle I can never grab it. I miss the long press to get the I-beam cursor and move that where I want it.
  • I think it's pretty cool!
  • I don't like the new one either.   I understand the discoverability issue of the previous one (although I had no problem finding it), but I found the original way to be much, much faster and more accurate to use.  It's a moot point now, but I'm far less efficient with this new caret. I'm having to change the way I edit my text now to make up for its shortcomings.
     
  • New one much better!
  • I never understood why they just didn't include arrow keys on the keyboard, so that you could just arrow (forward/back) or simply tap the screen and arrow forward or backwards to where you needed to make your edit.
  • The new caret is one of the huge number of improvements in 8.1 but the two things that are still missing (for me anyway) are a "select all" mechanism and some way to do text expansion in the keyboard (iOS does both quite well).
  • I didn't know about that circle thing. I was hating that aspect of the new text selection because I was still trying to "press and hold". Now that I know the new way I do like it better. I just wished that it was clear from the beginning. It would have saved me a lot of frustration.
  • I find it good and bad. The persistence of the caret is nice, but for me it's more limited in how it can be placed. For instance, on most words I cannot place it in the middle of a word: I must first place it at the end /and then/ drag it into the middle where I want it. Compared to 8.0, this is frustrating: I used to be able to longpress to place in the middle of a word quicker. The handle on the bottom of the caret makes It would be nice to be able to turn a magnifying bubble on when you longpress.
  • Im not sure if anyone said this yet but if you long press where you want the cursor to go it will move there and if its a bit off the circle does appear so that you can adjust the area you wish to edit.
  • Love it
  • Is there a setting for Swype to add a space when we lift our finger when swiping a word? It's a pain in the ass to click the space bar after swiping. I thought it would do it automatically like Swype does in android.
  • Mine does it automatically. Swype a word, start a new, and it automatically puts a space in for me. I didn't set it to work that way, it just did.
  • The new one is infinitely better. You can actually reposition it as needed. The old one was just impossible to use. Now it is easy.
  • I liked old better. But I understand the reason for using the new one - its how it works in Win 8.
  •    Just learned something new. Thank you.
  • These are one of those instances I wish I had a Bluetooth keyboard. When will windows phone come with a bluetooth HID certificate support? Still waiting
  • @Daniel...is there any way that i can add my native dialect/words to my dictionary just like swype???
  • type word you want to add then highlight it youll see the word and a + sign by it click on it and its added
  • Ex : Type "selamat" and tap on that word until it's blocked. You will see on suggestion "+selamat" tap on it and you've done adding your own word
  • @ irsyadhhs...@umovies...  tnx guys<..>  
  • new ones better to me seems like the right way to do it, and im sure itll get better when 8.1 is actually out
  • Actually, we have 3 options, tap and hold, tap in between the word, and double tap on text field.
  • Like the new one better.
    Easier to put it where I want it.
  • It took me a little while to completely figure out how to efficiently edit words. Once figured out, I think its a bit easier to use than the old version where you had to press and hold, then move it back to where you needed to edit. With this version it stays put, making it easier to use.
  • The new way is perfectly fine!
  • Since I never knew of the "old way" as you say discoverability wasn't there I struggled to move the cursor. I found it easier on Andriod and now Windows does it more like Android does. Knowing is half the battle with features.
  • I love the new cursor, it's way more easy yo use! The previous was difficult because the finger was always in the middle xD
  • I personally prefer the old method, but that's most likely because I'm so used to it that this new method just feels different (and admittedly more like Android's way of doing it (I don't know how iOS does it, as I've never used it extensively)).
  • I hate the new cursor. I love the old one!
  • Mine doesn't. I have to click the space key every time.
  • Do not like!!!   Daniel had the same problem I always have, in that it's hard to activate it in the first place (rarely can I get it on the first try) and then when I try to "grab" it, I often miss and select a word instead.  So frustrating.  The old method I had NO problems at all!!!!
     
  • Old way was much better and made WP stand out. It was a much more fluid keyboard than iOS. This is a step back.
  • So does anyone know how I can activate the function to add a space when I type a word via Swype? Anybody?
  • The space is inserted automatically. When you swipe you're next word, it adds a space for you.
  • Mine doesn't.
  • Maybe you have to go to settings and activate the keyboard adding a space when using one of the correction suggestions. I think this should work.
  • If it isn't broken, don't fix it!!!! I believe the old way was better. I got so used to it since the mango update that now I'm lost. Just like I get lost when I use an android device. I believe the best pit there is the iOS magnifying lamp.
  • Yeah. I liked the way they handled the problem with you hiding the text with the old one. This is a step back in smart design in my opinion.
  • Old one was clumsy and not very accurate. New version is faster and more precise.... An obvious upgrade. Just use it for a few weeks and you'll never look back.
  • This has taken some getting used to but I think I like it better. It just needs to be tweaked a bit as I've found it almost impossible to grab that little circle handle at times.
  • Old version was pitiful one of the weakest features on WP. New Caret will be a welcome addition.
  • I also prefer the old one, new is tricky to use, it's hard to grab that little circle precisely, but I'll probably get used to it, it takes some time to practice...
  • The 2 is good I have no different when I use it alot .
  • There's no reason why we shouldn't have both.  The old way to position it and the new way to drag it around.
  • Just double tap where you want to edit, then move by grabbing just below the bubble. Also, this one does not disappear like the old one.
  • I know how to use it. It's still clunky.
  • Its annoying, the previous one was way better than the 'Caret'
  • Seems faster
  • I don't understand shit about this
  • Both are cool. However, there was something about the previous one which made it look cooler.
  • Change it back please
  • I pretty much like the new keyboard work all its functionality.... So the new caret is pretty good
  • Maybe some people complained about the old one that's why they changed it... but I have to say I definitely prefer the old one better, i'll probably get used to it eventually, but I thought the original caret works just fine.
  • I agree with you compltely, I was gonna comment exactly what you just commented. :)
  • Yay for mutual agreement!
  • I hate this carot basically. Older one was fine. And easier as well.
    This one is a bit frustrating, as it doesn't work that well.
    I dont know if its problem with only my phone, but sometimes I cannot just "grab" it.
  • Interesting. I have had 100% succes though.
  • I like the new one
  • I'm frustrated, but not a little.
  • i think that the new one is better..
  • At last this is so much better. I never quite got three old style right now I'm correcting with ease
  • So much better than the old one!!!  
  • Peoples. Never say "i don't like it", don't say "i hate it", say only "give me the option to choose comfortable way old\new. IMHO
  • Depends. When it comes to such little things like the cursor, options would get cluttered and as messy as on android. That's not where I want to go, especially with the windows phone settings being already unorganized enough! I'd say why not get the best out of both! The option to simply tap where you want to have it and the option to long-tap for more visibility! Overall I have to say, that I still like the old one better. It was smarter
  • I'm not sure if this existed in 8.0, but you can now select a word and Change the CAPS by tapping the ' shift ' ⬆ key.
  • No, it did not! Thanks for the heads up! Pretty handy :)
  • I think the old caret is better. It's frustrating using the new one. Especially when my finger keeps getting in the way
  • I liked the old one better! Now I'm always hiding the position I want to move ot to with my finger and can't see nothing ...
  • Seriously old one was somehow better!
  • WP8 caret (or insertion point) is still the best for me. The WP8.1 is also better, but on a 5-6 inch screens only. And the new one really sucks when it comes to FB Messenger. F..king annoying.
  • Actually new one is better. Or annoyed me when the old one could not reach the words when I searched with long sentences in Google as well as Bing. Good riddance.
  • Here's the trick for the new caret: DOUBLE TAP a word to put the caret right before (or maybe after) that word, then drag the circle to wherever you want! So, what's the advantage of this compared to the old one?
    You no longer wait for the appearance of the caret! Another trick:
    To put the caret somewhere in the middle of a word, hold your pointer at that word for awhile.
  • I also hate new cursor
  • This is the best change they have brought out there and this it originally should have been.. Thanks for the article..
  • I like the new cursors design it's just sometimes my finger gets on the way!
  • But don't u think the new cursor is less flexible and accurate?
  • For me it's actually been better in terms of accuracy but it might be because of the new fonts... But its been pretty accurate for me, just sometimes my finger gets in the way!
  • The old one is better I think
  • The new cursor is suck
  • On Disqus that caret doesn't work at all. Tapping on the word does no any effect.
  • Since I get almost daily experience with Windows Phone (1020 is my daily driver), Apple, and Android, I will always try to be fair and point out where one excels in design over the other. Best caret to date, unfortunately, belongs to iOS. The way it magnifies and intuitively moves it's a beautiful example of human interface with software/hardware. With 8.1, I see an attempt to get better but must admit to some mild hockey language as I tried to figure out what they'd done. Not intuitive. The iOS caret it's one of the only iOS aspects that I prefer to Windows phone. Other than that, love 8.1 and all of the new features that we get to discover on a daily basis now. :-)
  • Personally, i would love a left and right arrow keys rather than a new caret.
  • I hate the new one. It's less accurate to tap the right place on the screen or in the middle of the word. Also, the little circle is too hard to get a hold of and even when you do manage to grab you can't see where it's ending up unless you've got see through fingers. Old way was better but probably in danger of some patent claim. I think I had a version of Android that tried this way and it was rubbish too. They need to magnify the keyboard when you grab it so you can see where it is.
  • Personally I hate the new one. Is it too much to ask for the option to pick either method?