Nokia announced the Lumia 2520 Windows RT 8.1 tablet at its conference in Abu Dhabi earlier this month. Microsoft had already unveiled the Surface 2, but which tablet is more appealing? According to Qualcomm executives, the Nokia RT tablet is the one to invest in, with a "clear advantage" over the Surface 2 with regards to the speed of the processor, graphics power and wireless connectivity.
Here's what Raj Talluri, senior vice president of product management for Qualcomm's application processors, told CNET:
"The performance on [the 2520] is brilliant. It's really at the next level. It's not even really a contest [compared to Surface 2] ... In every area, it's much bigger, faster, and lower power."
Now, of course Talluri is going to big up the Lumia 2520, especially since it's sporting a Qualcomm CPU. Nvidia is behind the processing power in the Surface 2 (just like its first generation of Surface tablets). But no one can ignore the specification sheet.
Both chips are more than capable of running Windows RT 8.1, there's no questioning that. However, in terms of processing power, the Lumia 2520 is slightly ahead of the Surface 2. You've got the Snapdragon 800 2.2GHz chip inside the Nokia tablet, while Microsoft lags behind slightly with the Tegra 4 1.7GHz - this isn't a deal breaker, but it's a significant difference in speed.
Whether you're a Surface fan, or an avid Nokia follower, you'll not be disappointed. Both quad-core processors are able to load up and run both apps and games from the Windows Store. Microsoft's choice of CPU is also an improvement over the original Surface RT, which wasn't sluggish by any means.
That said, Nokia's packing an improved Qualcomm chip, but how much of a factor the CPU will play in consumer decision making between the two is yet to be seen. Does the speed of both processors affect your decision as to which Windows RT 8.1 tablet you'll purchase? Side note, remember that Qualcomm is the company behind one of the most bizarre keynote presentations:
Source: CNET
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Nokia Lumia 2520 has 'clear advantage' over Microsoft's Surface 2, says Qualcomm
I would love one of these, even if it wasn't WiFi only. But an important (to me) question still remains; Will it have Cortana?
I know it's coming to Windows Phone, but what about Windows? I'd love a tablet to have the same personal assistant utlity as that.
WiFi only or gtfoh
I'll be honest. Because I was on the fence, a red color made the choice for me. That and I like Qualcomm more
Surface 2's processor's benchmarks beat the 2520.
I love Nokia and I'm sure the 2520 is a great device but I'm going to side with MS on this one. The design of the Surface is superb. Even without the keyboard, having a stand is a really major thing, as tablets come.
I heard that the 2520 is thinner and lighter but I still don't go much for a handheld tablet, I like the convertible aspect of the Surface more.
And I love the VaporMg finish, I like how it looks and how it's cool to the touch :)
Availability for Portugal?
2520 outsells Surface, Nokia's fortunes recover, take over tablet market, Lumia sales go through the roof, Microsoft takeover deal is binned.
Hurrahs all round.
Maybe
Well ofcourse they are going to say that lol. The TRUTH is you can't just compare clock speeds because the processors are completly different and you will hardley be able to tell the difference when running them side by side. I have gone for the surface 2 over this tablet purley because I like the design better. Other than the screen of the nokia being a bit brighter and some nokia apps I can't see any significant differences in terms of performce.... the surface 2 is PLENTY FAST.
The best thing is you will NOT be dissapointed which ever tablet you choose, there both brilliant.
Where the 2520 will shine is as a laptop replacement for people on the go. Lawyers like the iPad because if they go to court they can read Word and pdf docs all day long. The Surface 2 fixed the battery problem but no 4G. You can't count of insecure WiFi away from the office.
The downside is few business people will invest in the 2520 until we find out what MS will do with it.
The Surface 2 is going to fail except with enthusiasts until MS comes clean on the Office Home license
Trust me im a fan of rt but i have window phone 8 and cant used sdk for it i hate with a passion android and ios but if im to fully replace my laptop i need a non rt device like the new dell venue pro 11/8 or Lenovo miix 2 i cant afford a surface pro 2 out of choice id have an ativ tab to go with my ativ s but it wont be able to install sdks apps are great but i have windows phone for that and ill never change
And GPS! Plus set of Nokia's apps. Lumia is much better value for money.
I like Nokia Lumia 2520 first window RT tablet. The tablet looks pretty and slightly over priced. Wherase Apple tablets are know for its cutting edge technologies but very expensve. Currently the tablet is available for sale in only UK, US and Finland. When will <a href="http://gizmog.com/2013/10/nokia-lumia-2520-first-windows-rt-tablet/" title="Nokia Lumia 2520">Nokia Lumia 2520</a> available in India?
That's Nokia for you
I just read every comment, and not one other comment (aside from one left by me in a reply) mentioned that the Surface 2 comes with 1 year of free Skype-to-phone (calling any North American number since we don't have "caller pays", and landlines in "caller-pays" countries). And what about it giving you the two year upgrade to 200GB of SkyDrive? Add in the kickstand, the fact that the Tegra on the Surface 2 is a five core (vs. the Nokia having a four core), and of course the kickstand, to me the Surface is the no-brainer. Larger screen on the Surface too.
Yep the Lumia is beat
i like surface 2 design more plus kickstand, power cover keyboard with extra 5 hours battery life to the main 10 hours battery , full size usb, 32G or 64G storage, touch covers 2, type covers, music kit so many options
We really don't know the speed differences between the two until the devices are out.
You really can't compare two different CPU designs by comparing gigahertz or clock speed. They're different designs. That would be like saying a 3.6 GHz Pentium 4 is faster than a 3.2 GHz Core i7 Haswell processor.
That said, the Qualcomm does have LTE capability.
I only wish the 2520 would launch somewhere in 5-10 days from now. My sister will be in Miami during that time, so she'll only be able to grab the Surface 2 for me. Oh well...
Surface 2 kickstand is a game changer. It is really that good and makes the tablet a breeze to use.
Kinda hard to decide: both devices are good, I like the keyboard of sf2 and the screen of 2520 :S
Just fyi guys, the clock speed mentioned isn't the actual clock speed of processor but the maximum allowable clock speed. Qualcomm runs at a constant clock speed of 1.33ghz. Even intels bay trial runs at 1.4ghz.
The max speed is the speed to which processor is pushed when extreme processing capabilities are needed. But every 100mhz approximately needs 20% more battery.. :)
Mind blown.
Add to that that the Nokia tablet has LTE, GPS, NFC and other sensors + ZEISS camera and its really no contest with the severaly lacking Surface 2.
The only thing going for the Surface 2 is the full USB port, and I kind of like the Surface design better with the full metal construction, but thats more of a personal preference.
The bottom line is the internals of the Nokia tablet blow away the Surface 2 by a mile.
Absolutely.
Yeah no and why would you want a Zeiss camera on a tablet your gonna look like a right twat waving that about
It's better to have it and not need it then...you know.
Still besides the camera the other specs speak for themselves.
Haha such BS marketing the Surface 2 is extremely fast at doing anything the 2520 would do well just to keep up.
So a company is claiming the tablet using their chip is better than the other tablet that uses a competing chip? shocking.
While the new Nokia tablet looks great, it probably doesn't have a future once the Microsoft deal goes through. So the selection and availability of accessories will be limited compared to the Surface. That might be more important for people than a small difference in CPU speed on a tablet that can't do too many CPU intensive tasks anyway
Well we wont know for sure until we see some decent benchmarks. I think they will be very close. But Surface got much better design, and MUCH much better keyboards...so the choice is easy. The only advantage i see in 2520 is the LTE for all models
Lumia 2520 for full apps support (Nokia apps, exclusive third party apps), Surface is just a random OEM tablet without much love from its manufacturer.
Will wait for Surface 3. :)
Let's just all wait until it's released before you make rash decsions. I must admit I'm a huge Nokia hardware fan, but saying that it's a Surface 2 for me just because I'm worried about the support after MS takes over early next year. I would assume MS would want to kill it. Unless of course it sells well.
It appeals to a different set of people, I am sure it will do well, and a version 2 of the 2520 will do even better. Can't put it past Microsoft for taking a shotgun to their own investment, happens often enough.
Surface 2 for me the FFC, the keyboards, the kickstand, battrey life...Just so much about the Surface 2 has me sold I admit I was initially sold on the 2520, but when I went and researched the Surface 2 I feel in love for some reason and I can't escape it.
The thing I find most interesting is that the 1520 and the 2520 are running the same hardware underneath - Snapdragon 800, 2GB of RAM and 2.2 Ghz. The only difference is WP versus RT.
Didn't see it that way.
The 32 GB is the killer for me. Ugh
The design is really really cool!,
But, I need the Windows 8 version, not RT, with stylus pen with pressure control.
Maybe the Next product.
I've already got my eyes on the Lumia 2520! I'm going to get it this holiday season!!!
I really like the surface 2, but I wish it had GPS...seems like something that should be in every mobile device at this point
I like the name Surface and its ergonomics. But, I also like the smaller screen and wireless connectivity of the Lumia 2520.
I'm waiting to try out the Lumia 1520 before making a decision to purchase.
So who wants to be forced to buy a keyboard to have a kickstand. Not people with a Surface. Hahaha sorry had to say it.
Surface 2 is sooo slow. Just try copying things from IE to OneNote. Even three letters take 5 to 10 seconds to copy. ... So disappointed...
Ima get the 2520 and surface pro 2 ..... Why get the surface2 when you can get the surface pro 2 idk that's just me and Nokia tablet suits me just fine sexy and fast 2.2ghz is my kinda thing
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I completely disagree that Surface RT wasn't sluggish. It is extremely sluggish running multiple apps, or anything with the web browser. It became very painful to use until the Windows RT 8.1 update came along and improved things. Surface 2 has been a delight to use in comparison.
Odd, my Surface RT has never been sluggish, even running multiple apps and music. I've even been playing Halo: Spartan Assault and snapped Messenger and it was fine. This before 8.1, now it's even better.
I would love to buy the 2520 but I need full windows. So I will go with the surface pro 2
Biggest difference is usability outdoors. 665 nits and low reflection should make the 2520 in theory best IPS tablet outdoors.
I noticed Surface RT screen is decent outdoors but I always get overheating message after just 10 minutes at >80F and then screen shuts down. So not that useful unless it's just my model. Hopefully that's solved with Surface 2 and Nokia.
I'm having a hard time making up my mind between the 2. I'm leaning more towards the surface 2 because of the kick stand
All I can say is that it is great to have 2 great options. Anyone have any thoughts on those new Dell Tablets?
I'm actually interested in the Dell Venue 8 Pro due to its digitizer and form factor. But it just seems too difficult to give up my thinkpad tablet 2. I mostly use it for VEVO and pulse. Speaking of "Pulse," I could also use my Pulse headset on it with all its features. Just plug and play. It has a normal USB 2.0. The Dell will come with a microusb if I'm not mistaken, but you could get a dongle adapter. But yeah, that's the only one I'm truly interested in. Hopefully we'll get more 8 inch with digitizers.
I have the surface 2 and I feel the form is such a big part of the experience. My vote is for S2.
wow just awsome I am born mobil :-)
If I'd get to choose between the two, I'll choose lumia 2520 especially because of Nokia Care and I won't think twice. It's about product support and services. Especially outside the US.? No contest, Nokia is preferrable.
That is SUCH a deal breaker! Never saw it that way. Jesus!
What makes NokiaCare so great? I'm about to have my first experience with them, my Lumia 920 is going back for warranty.
The support they give you; the assistance; the support for the platform (take the Lumia brand, for example. Nokia is doing a better job there than Microsoft). And like he said: especially outside the US. Here in Brazil their work are phenomenal!
fullsize USB Port, 2-angle kickstand are enough to me to choose surface 2. i dont want to hassle with some extra cover to get kickstand and usb.
but it is great to have options and to see that nokia joins windows rt. will help the platform to evolve for sure, just like wp i hope.
I currently have a Verizon Mifi. Would it work if I take the MiFi sim and put it into the Nokia Tab?
this is bullsh!t article... Its been proven time and again that Tegra 4 beats snapdragon 800 in performance on most benchmarks... And oh btw, the article says that surface 1 was no slouch, well yes it was. But Surface 2 definitely is not. Tegra4 makes surface 2 a real treat, especially in browser and video and multitasking and game performance. Really nice... And I seriously doubt this Lumia tablet with snapdragon 800 will perform better....
How does reporting on what someone else said make this a BS article?! Now what the person said could be argued as BS, but not the article. And yes, the surface 2 is faster than the Gen 1. However, Gen 1 was still better than the vast majority of weak android tablets out there.
He's right. This is a typical, horribly written Rich article. Absolutely no analysis, just a lengthy re-telling of a fairly mundane quote. What is the performance impact? How about citing one of the numerous tests between the various processors' benchmarks? What specifically is unique among the two tablets? Why must every article need major copyediting?("with regards to"?) It's like reading a school newspaper where every kid has to contribute.
Which one is faster depends on many things, choice of benchmark being one, but at this performance level I'd say they are both fine choices. The differences in performance should be minor.
Surface line is focused on full productivity and Nokia is more focused on mobility and consuming, more like iPad. Thats good, because last time I checked many poeple wanted iPads.
No kickstand, USB, touchcover and it's on VZW... I'll stick with Surface.
Well, the kickstand and USB are part of the keyboard cover. Doesn't have a touchcover...but then again, you're probably in the minority of Surface users who prefers the touch cover to the typecover (hence the new covers having switched the colour offers)
Anyway, the Surface is a great tablet. You won't be losing by sticking with it.
Price to add Nokias Keyboard/cover?! Its already listed to start out higher just for the tablet itself. Price WILL be a big factor for many consumers.
The price is around 140€. The price for the Surface power cover is 200€.
So you have the Surface 2 costing minus 50€ than the Nokia 2520. But the power cover costing 60€ more.
In the end, it's cheaper to buy a Nokia 2520 with the power cover than a Surface 2 with a power cover.
The only problem is that Nokia doesn't offer any cheaper versions of the cover yet, and the Surface has the advantage of having available the 1st gen covers and the 2nd gen ones.
I still think Nokia should have opted for licencing the Surface covers to use in the 2520. They decided otherwise. Pity.
As far as consumer goes, however, there's a fair chance a Nokia tablet, outside the US, will end up selling better than the Surface. Again, because just like the phones, Nokia is an established and trusted hardware brand, and Microsoft isn't.
Yeah but I had Surface for over a month before getting a keyboard, and had kickstand and USB all along, no extra, bulky cost. Surface just more a PC, 2520 more like an iPad.
Now it comes down to price. It's as simple as that
For me, it comes down to value. The Lumia 2520 gives you 3G/LTE and is lighter. The Surface 2 gives you the kickstand, a larger screen, nicer housing (magnesium), the 2 year upgrade to 200GB of SkyDrive, and the one year of unlimited Skype-to-phone.
What do we learn from their keynote? None of them is able to properly pronounce "mobile". Darn rebelious colonists...lol
Jokes aside, I have no intention of replacing my RT with a Surface 2. However...I'm definitely going to check Nokia's tablet. And will probably buy it to use as an entertainment tablet (since I use the RT to actually work...believe it or not)
Ah, so you are British eh...
It's safer to say "not from the US" as most non-US English speakers would say it like "mo-bile" instead of "mo-bil".
Mobill:)
Oh yeah, that's horrible. They seem to forget there's an "e" on the end of the word and say it like "mobil" instead of "mo-bile".
Perhaps i don't know my stuff i want a tablet but am determined to stay away from rt as it seems like a 'half os' a full os i want to replace my craptop i need windows8.1 for sdk's etc not another compact mobile os ? advice and research says no to the 2520 simply because of RT?
To be honest, I kinda feel the same way. Not sure why, but I do.
RT is a full OS. It has functionality and security that iOS and Android could only dream of.
RT is not half an OS, it is a full OS and should be focused on as the lighter, simpler, desktop free future.
Spouting this same BS twice in the comments for one article, that's good going. Doesn't get your point across any better though!!
RT 8.1 is actually a very good consumption OS, I absolutely love my Surface 2.
If I could get ahold of one I'd actually choose the Surface due to a slight loyalty to Nvidia. It was around the time Slackware 7 was released if I remember correctly, and I'd just built my first tower from scratch. I had a Geforce 2 Ti literally given to me for nothing and I quickly found out that at that time, getting hardware accelerated graphics was short of a miracle with regards to ATI, whereas Nvidia had modules ready to roll. Quick kernel recompile (I chose to build it in instead insert at boot) and voila. Ever since those days, I've always appreciated Nvidia. Probably not the most valid reason given the differences, but if I ever afford one I'm betting that, as said in the article, the quad core Tegra shouldn't exactly be a let down or miserable experience.
I know how to keep Qualcomm happy....
I'm waiting for the Snapdragon 800 powered Surface Mini.
Perhaps i don't know my stuff i want a tablet but am determined to stay away from rt as it seems like a 'half os' a full os i want to replace my craptop i need windows8.1 for sdk's etc not another compact mobile os ? advice and research says no to the 2520 simply because of RT?
Actually that's a misconception. RT is a "full" OS. It's not meant to run full windows. That's what the pro version is for. RT is meant to be a consumption device in line with an iPad and/or Android tablet. The Windows store already has about 100,000 apps in its first year. I'm not sure how many apps android and iOS had after the first year, but 100k isn't too shabby.
What? My tablet with Windows RT is awesome.
Then get the Surface Pro 2, that has a "full OS", whatever that is supposed to mean. As others stated, Windows RT IS a full OS the only thing it can't do is run desktop software and lacks some of the components that 8.1 Pro has for businesses.
You need to decide what you want to do with it. If you want to install steam, desktop games or software then stay away from RT. You might be able to find equivalents for some things as apps, but only you know your own priorities. If you want Visual Studio and SDK stuff then you need pro.
Microsoft made a mistake calling RT Windows. They should have called it iWindow because it seems that the public has no problem telling the difference between OSX and iOS. Just drop the last letter and add an "i" and suddenly people get that this is a moble OS.
RT is perfectly usable. So far my experience is that it is better than iOS in many,many ways. Yet like iOS, I don't expect it to run my desktop apps. Whis isn't generally an issue on my tablet anyway.
Sure, it is cool to run Photoshop on the Surface Pro. And the Pro's ability to run legacy software does allow it to serve as your only device if you need legacy support. Legacy apps are hard to use with finger input, so that's important to take in. The Metro apps are way better for a tablet interface.
However, MOST people will find Office and a solid browser that support many Flash sites plenty. I love that so many websites just work on RT that on my iPad I have to download the App because iOS doesn't support any Flash nor does it support HTML5 as well. I love multiple apps on one screen.
Of course, RT might die because of misperception. But it is a full OS and very useful.
According to the articles I've read about the tegra4 vs. SD800, the Tegra4 is no slouch at all. Actually several comparisons put the Tegra4 ahead of the SD800. I for one will def. Be getting a Surface 2. The kickstand, build (i love metal) and the touch cover are clear winners in my books. Sure the 2520 Looks fantastic, but having to add bulk for the keyboard and lack of built in kickstand are not for me!
Posting from my Lumia 1020, but still got the surface 2 pro. Still need to run programs, but love the design for the Nokia, and may be good for the house if the surface becomes my main work computer . Will a pro version be coming?
We are planing to get a tablet soon, I am using 920, my wife always has a concern about flash player in wp8, is this new Lumia tablet built in browser support flash? Thanks
Flash is not available for any phone (anymore). Yes, flash player is built in to the browser on the tablet.
Yes. The tab has full flash support in the web browser.
All Windows RT tablets support flash player. This was corrected by Microsoft early on. Initially there was a white list of sites that were supported, now almost every site is. Buy ur Windows tablet with no worries
Internet Explorer has built-in flash support on Windows RT (Surface/Surface 2, Lumia 2520 etc.). It's a very capable browser.
Yeah all windows 8 and Windows 8 RT browsers have flash embedded in the IE browser
Windows RT is best for viewing Adobe Flash websites and videos at cheap price. Every flash website I have tried worked. You can also block ads through host file.
yes windows RT supports flash websites and they run great.
Like the 2520. But I prefer the industrial design and USB inputs of the Surface 2. Can't wait till next year to see what comes from both sides working together.
The 2520 has USB inputs as well.
2520 has a micro USB.
Right, but two full USB 3.0 ports on the power keyboard cover. Which I would assume being a possible purchase if you were to get a Surface 2 with a keyboard cover as well. If you weren't planning on getting an optional keyboard cover for the Surface 2, then I get what you're saying.
Why dont people understand that difference???
Cause if you just day USB port, it's not specific enough as saying full or mini USB. Some people may not even know there are distinctions. Especially when you consider the iPad doesn't have a full or mini. At least the average consumer may not know.
Right, like some people don't know the difference between mini USB and micro USB.
The Surface 2 has a USB input. I used it yesterday on mine.
Y didn't Microsoft just put the best and most powerful chip in the surface 2? It would have drawn in them spec freak and loads more Imo.
The people that care about specs are the minority.
This is a bias opinion by Qualcomm the maker of the chip. Look at all reviews and test between the Snapgragon 800 and Tegra 4. The Tegra 4 wins everytime. But I agree the 2520 looks amazing. And I really enjoy my Surface 2. Read the review: http://www.mobile.pro/index.php/benchmark-battle-exynos-5-octa-vs-snapdr...
Really? Most phone makers have gone with the Snapdragon 800, so there has to be a good reason for it...
They are minor but the scores show it. The Tegra 4 is faster.
The Snapdragon uses less power and it's more integrated. With Tegra4 they still need additional chips to add the same functionality.
As I started writing my comment, this guy stole the words from me.
Snapdragon uses less power to conserve battery, which I feel works better in a smartphone setting. Tablets...well then there's Tegra 4..
The test was also done with the Nvidia Shield, which needs active cooling, and it is using a 720p screen, while the other phones are running 1080p screens.
He's right. There are a number of comparisons that show performance is pretty much a wash between the two. The choice to go with the SD could be do to other factors - cost, power consumption, volume & availability, etc
The integrated antenna for cell transmission and reception plus the chipset that supports GSM/HSPA+/CDMA/LTE that is built in. the nVidia does not do this, so you'd need an extra chip.
However, the nVidia is technically a five core CPU. Background tasks are loaded to the fifth A15 core, so they do not need to performed by the main four cores. Couple in the the GPU on the nVidia which is faster and more sophisticate than the very good Adreno 330 on the Snapdragon.
It's important to not merely look at the speed of the CPU, especially when you figure that the nVidia is designed to utilize all four cores to achieve performance. It's not a shock that it performs better than other ARM SoCs.
But the Tegra 4 is not really built for phones while that's Qualcomm's bread and butter. So the Qualcomm makes sense for the Nokia since it has LTE while the Tegra 4 is a better solution if you don't need built in LTE capability. The tests mostly all declare that the Tegra 4 is a better chip for day to day performance. But it wouldn't make sense on a phone due to the need to add an extra chipset to support the cell signal. They do have a lower power Tegra 4 coming for that.
Great info. Even though I have the Surface2, I still read reviews and comment threads because I learn about a new feature with every one published.
It's one reason why I bet the Surface2 will be faster for most all things. MS went with the Tegra 4 because of its design. They could have gone with the Qualcomm and added cell data, but didn't.
Frankly, the Tegra 4 is the most impressive design of the current ARM chips because of that fifth core. It is ideal for a tablet. I would be very interested to see how it could handle the backend for something like Photoshop Elements with a new Metro front end.
The Surface 2 will become an even better tablet as more apps come into the Windows Store and as MS works with software makers to create RT frontends. Most of the backend stuff on big applications like Creative Suite, etc is .NET, which makes the backend fairly portable. Optimizing the code for ARM and building a new touch centric front end will allow more serious applications into the Windows Store. This is where Microsoft is going with this.
I a couple of years, most productivity apps will be moved off the Desktop. Legacy will be supported, but the new Windows will firmly take hold.
Thank you, sir. Now I'm not concerned about getting the Surface 2 over the 2520 anymore.
Qualcomm has fully integrated LTE radios/chipsets on the SoC's, NVidia hasn't integrated it yet on their highest end Tegra 4's which puts them at a disadvantage for phones from a cost and battery standpoint
They choose snapdragon for the phones because they bundle the radios
Yeah and ignored tegra 4 for phones cause its power hungry.
Its like Nokia fighting itself. . .
Microsoft fighting itself...
Microsoft didn't buy Nokia. Just the phone business. The 2520 doesn't count.
Microsoft bought the hardware division of nokia aka "devices and services" and yes it includes the 2520. They left the "here maps" and nokias networking business alone.
And Nokia "future innovations" R&D, but yeah tablets are in D&S.
Please read comments and posts before writing something, Microsoft bought the Nokia devices division if Nokia started making a camera for your butt its Microsofts business, if they make a tea cup it stays in Nokia.
It would still be faster than Tegra even if they both sported the same clock speed. MS just doesn't want to lose NVIDIA I guess.
Sorry but you are wrong. The Tegra 4 is faster. Look it up,
At the same clock speeds Tegra 4 is faster, but also requires (quite a lot) more power. 800 is still the most efficient one. With these 2 devices, only time will tell for sure, but I'd expect the 800 to be a little faster.
I love Nokia but that design and build of the Surface 2 is the winner. The GPS on the 2520 is tempting but I could care less about the cam, which ironically the Surface 2 has the better FFC.
Technically it has a higher megapixel count. We don't know if it's actually "better" until it's been tested, but one could assume so.
As I'll eventually be getting a Surface Pro 2, I'll probably get Nokia's tablet if I ever decide to get an RT device.
+928 its a shame Nokia doesn't have a "Pro" version. Now that would be an absolute deal breaker for the surface line for me.
Nokia is not a PC manufacturer.
That's why I am a big supporter of MS....there is no difference between tablet and PC if you ask MS.
Already got my Surface 2 and I love it! :) I still love Nokia though.
The kickstand does it for me, Surface 2 ftw
My sentiments exactly
True but I like the attachez/ folder keyboard style on the 2520
Totally, I don't want to be burdened by carrying case/keyboard just when I want to lay down or watch it at an angle and comfortable position
I don't have any problem with the surface 2 very fast and responsive
That is what's most noticeable about the s2, fast and smooth. Its faster than my 3 month old PC.
Na, I'm going for Surface 2.
I'll wait till next generation for the 64-bit ARMv8 version.
By then it might now be "Nokia" Lumia. Who knows if the line will continue once the Microsoft acquisition goes through. This could be a one off product. I'm hoping that doesn't happen though.
Interesting thought but I am not sure MSFT's deal with Nokia includes tablet devices.
Nokia won't be able to make mobile phone devices if the deal goes through but they may still be able to make tablets. I say"may" because I haven't studied all the fine print but from what I have read I believe Nokia can still produce devices that are not mobile phones.
You make a fair point since I don't know the ins and outs of the deal either.
The acquisition was the Nokia phone division. Not the entire Nokia company. The 2520 wouldn't be part of the Microsoft thing.
The acquisition was for the devices decision so I assume that would include tablets
Are you sure about that?
Well would you call the surface a device? If so then yes the 2520 would be under the acquisition too I guess
Yes. Everything involving their mobile devices and services, except the HERE mapping technology and apps.
I doubt it will be, but its possible. Lumia 2520 in my mind isn't going after the same people the Surface 2 is. It's clear MS sees the Surface brand to be a laptop replacement. While Nokia Lumia 2520 is more about being completely mobile. Always connected. And being creative (look at the apps being built in).
Includes the tablets...
Yes, the deal is for the devices division. I doubt that after the deal closes, Nokia would have the infrastructure in place to build a new tablet or the people to get it done.
I'm curious now. What exactly are you looking for from a 64-bit ARM tablet?
Will they sell a WiFi version only?
No.
So you have to buy and plan with the tablet or can one purchase out right without a plan?
Likely either way. Usually Verizon gives you a $100 discount if you get it with a contract. $399 for a LTE enabled 10" tablet with 32GB would be a good deal. The only cheaper 10" tab that they have now, brand new, would be the Galaxy Tab 2 with only 8GB.
I also understand that the Verizon discount program will hold for things like the keyboard accessory. So if you have a discount due to your employer, you'll get around $22 off the keyboard cover.
It's also possible the Nokia tablet will have a slightly better price. I've heard that the 929, the 2520, and the 525 will all hit close to Thanksgiving for VZW.
I can't see saving 100 when its in contract for two years which you have to pay monthly for.
Usually you already have a contract. I believe the extra non-phone device costs $10 a month extra on Verizon to share data.
It largely depends if it's worth it. If you want the LTE data with it then getting the $100 back is good because you'd do the data plan anyways. If not, buy it unsubsidized and don't get a SIM for it.
Really don't want to add an extra bill to something I'm only going to use at home about 95% of the time. If I can't just walk in and buy one and walk out, then the Surface 2 it is!
You'll be able to buy it outright. If you don't care about mobile network compatibility then you can buy it from anywhere in the world and ignore your local carrier offerings.
Do we have any pricings on Canadian stores yet?
I had already chosen the Lumia 2520 because of the superior screen, of it being lighter and easier to hold and because of the extra 5 hours battery that come with the cover, this is just the cherry on top.
Absolutely. And you didn't even touch on some of the other advantages.
Side to side there shouldn't be much difference between screens. Nokia might have a leg up with their screen in direct sunlight. Surface 2 is a major improvement over RT. Everything is fast and with no lag. WebPages load faster than my wife's iPad and my PC. Not sure how the extra speed (on the Nokia) is going to make a difference in real world performance. Engadget's review rated Surface 2 as 14.5 hours of battery life- I've almost matched it. With the keyboard plus battery attachment, the Surface 2 will have even better battery life. I dont need a wireless radio either so I wouldn't trade mine in for anything.
No doubt Surface 2 is worthy of your money. But, with all the Nokia apps, the Lumia design language (a Lumia 920 owner here), wireless charging NFC and all the other advantages... I just personally don't see why I would buy a Surface 2.
Only way is jump to a Nokia is if they (cause someone has to) is bring some sort of video editing app to the rt tablets. Doesn't have to be anything like Sony Vegas but something would be nice.
The most important Nokia apps never stay exclusive. Considering Microsoft bought them (at least their hardware team) the rest of these so called exclusives will be on Surface soon enough. Wireless charging on a tablet is gimmicky imo and the minimalism of the Surface design appeals to me. Different folks, different strokes. I love Nokia and my 822 but the excessive zeal towards their products borderline reminds me of apple fans.
I thought wireless charging was gimmicky too until I got a charging plate for my 920. Now I don't know why I went so long without one.
I dont dislike wireless charging. I bought an charge pad and charging backplate for my 822. It doesn't charge as fast. For the purpose of having a charged tablet faster, I think its unnecessary.
Understandable. I charge my phone on the wireless charger overnight, so my situation is different. I do like that the 2520 uses quick charge and can get 80% battery life back in an hour.
I bought a wireless charging plate that AT&T had on sale. Def not a gimmick. Aside from the fact that it works, it saves wear and tear on constantly plugging in the USB.
Truly Snapdragon 800 is the true winner in terms of processing power...
Ha Ha Where Apple & Nexus processors are nowhere near to SD800 (See this graph that demonstrates) http://
bit.ly/1azk6H3
The chart has Tegra 4 as the overall winner (by a small margin). It would appear the Surface 2 and Nokia 2420 have a lot of grunt on comparison to the non-windows competitors. Win
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Wirelessly charging on a tablet is gimmicky? Not so; you obviously never used an HP Touchpad. It worked perfectly for me. Combine that with not having to plug it in, reducing the wear and tear on the charging port is awesome.
200MB of free Tmobile data might seal the deal for me since I value that more than unlimited skype and 100GB of skydrive.
Who's offering 200MB of free T-Mobile data?
T-Mobile is. Everyone gets 200MB of data for free.
And because it is Nokia.
Personally I choose the Surface 2. Not because I didn't know about the superior performance of the Snapdragon over Tegra 4, nor the LTE, but the Surface 2 is a bit cheaper too, and I didn't have to buy another keyboard because I could re-use my first touch cover from my original Surface RT.
And I have to say, I am in love with the kickstand. Never want something else again.
That kickstand would rock on the 2520. Once Microsoftowms Nomia maybe they can add it on.
Amen!
If I didn't get the Asus RT last year, then I would have gotten this tablet in a heartbeat. But there is really no need to get a new 10.1 inch. I will however get the Lenovo Miix 2
Im gonna get one
If there is no WiFi only available, then are we able to purchase this without having to subscribe to carrier plans?
Doesn't look like my dream of a yellow one will come true, so cyan for me! Prefer the matte finish and cyan over black any day!!!
I hope you don't live in the US. Preliminary reports say it is only be sold in black on ATT and red on verizon with a gigantic VERIZON 4G LTE logo taking up roughly half of the back.
"gigantic VERIZON 4G LTE logo taking up roughly half of the back. "
condolences to all.