Spec fight: New iPhone 6 vs. the best new Windows Phones

Nokia invent NFC

How do?

No, they really didn't.  What they DID do was negotiate a somewhat proprietary application of it that, because Apple's popularity, will likely get more vendors to finally wake up to wireless payment that both Android and Windows Phone have been trying to get going already.  So, on the upside, Apple FINALLY getting on the stick may get wireless payment going fully mainstream, which benefits ALL of us.  On the downside, lemmings will continue to believe Apple invented it.

Well put.

Real downside - I get the feeling their solution contains proprietary crap that'll raise the barrier of entry for others.

Not to mention Privacy issues. I really don't trust them. Apple claim they don't collect anything, and that's what they said with the fingerprint button, a couple of months later I read that fingerprints are being collected by some agencies..

Beyond awesome comment. You sir deserve an applause! Brilliantly said.

Wireless payment?  Wow!  That'll be fantastic.  Like what the Japanese had twenty years ago.  Didn't Apple invent Japan?

Just beat that dead horse.  Somebody might think that you're funny.  

Re: ScubaDog,
Very nicely said.
Thank you.

I 100% agree with you, 100 PERCENT. You are right, and I'm with you on that.

Yes, because swiping a card or handing someone paper money has become SO difficult.

What most people here seem to forget is that this lovely "new" mobile payments system is exclusive to the USA... For the record, most of te world (myself included) don't live in the USA...

You don't say..

Uh, no it isn't. You think Canada is still in the Stone Age? We have had it for awhile. Bloody Americans think they are the end-all. No wonder everyone hates Americans. If they continue to say shit like that, what do they expect?

Well just like Apple losing peoples pictures to hacking, now they will lose people's financial information. So I say good for Apple users. Just like Android users they can have all their shit stolen. I am totally ok with that.

Nope! They held the technology back.

How? Kindly enlighten me? I use for all kinds of data trasfer, images and files. To pay bills? (NOPE)

I'm glad Apple 'invented' NFC because it will force the world to use this technology 

NFC actually was invented by Philips NXP and Nokia by the way Apple have not invented the wheel

But do we see it actually used on a large scale, especially with mobile payments? Now that Apple introduced it in their phones, the technology should improve and expand. It's sad, but that's how it works.

NFC was not  set in  all phones for make differentiation from the higher class phones to the lower- half class ones, so logically nobody expanded NFC  possibilities due a small range of products so   just not market to do it the services based in nfc or contact less RFID system

I was joking. I know Apple didn't invent NFC but since the media is acting like they did, it's going to help all mobile users who have had NFC for years now

I got what you said, Mr. Serious was to busy hating Apple.  LOL

Derek is being sarcastic hence the "" quotation marks.

They made it more useful, just like Microsoft did 2 years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPOQCjgNDFc

Like I said, my 920 has had the technology before, but is it actually being used? WHERE do you actually see stuff for mobile payments to use on our WPs? We have the feature, but we can't use it. So read my comment thoroughly next time before you post a video to what Microsoft added that hasn't ever been implemented for USE.

Yeah CNN actually said it was new and acted like 'pay with your phone' was new too.

In Japan people have been paying with phones for years. Tap and go through train wickets.

Over a decade now, actually.

People say "Oh, Apple copied this, people had this before Apple", but if it isn't for Apple's "coping", many things wouldn't be here today. Because of Apple, I am SURE mobile payments with NFC will become MUCH more popular and more used than now.

This may be true in the U.S., but in the rest of the world Apple doesn't hold enough of a market share to be as big of an influence.

Yeah, like the PC.  Oh wait nobody wanted an Apple.

Are we Japan?

Well they're in America and since to them America is the world, they think it was just invented.

Amricans never did understand that they're a small backwater market just north of Mexico,  They need to get out more.  This has been the case ever since Columbus dicovered Ohio.

Racist much?

No he's just jealous he's not an American. Posted via Windows Phone Central App

Here we go. The 'you da racist bastid!' card used by Americans again. Need I remind you that 'American' is a NATIONALITY, not a race. *rubs my aching temples due to once again dealing with American stupidity and idiot liberalism*

I hate to bust your bubble (no I'm not), but we are the #1 market in the world, if that's backwater I'd hate to see yours.

Apple also invented Al Gore, who then invented the internet. Praise be to Apple!

In Santiago, Chile are   in plans ,  the bus and subway currently are paid via an RFID card which you mrefill with money   are just now proposing    use the NFC enabled phones to  use as  an contacless card, just already was not deployed the project but would be  soon

Lol you made my day :)

Haha. Good news though. More apps and adoption hopefully

What is this NFC you mention?  Whatever it is, I'm so glad Apple invented it.  I wish my almost two year old cheap-ass $50 used lumia 620 had NFC so I can be as cool.  Once again, Apple saves the world. 

Awesome!

Wait..... :)

If you bought the 2-year old cheap-ass lumia 720, than you had NFC and you were as cool.

I was being sarcastic. The 620 actually DOES have NFC. :)

LOL, according to Gordon Ung...if Apple doesn't do it, it doesn't exist! :)

Sounds to me like some guy named Gordon Ung needs to smacked upside the head with 920.

He (and I), were being sarcastic. If you didn't see the MPC livestream, go over to their site and see if they have it posted to YouTube yet...he was really mocking the hell out of Apple. lol

Link?

Dunno if it's still live or available yet, but here it is... http://www.maximumpc.com/maximum_pc_will_be_doing_live_streaming_reactions_apples_big_event  

Sad, but true...

Did they even mention NFC?   Or have we just implied NFC based on the Apple Pay demos?

Hey guy, I didn't see them claim to invent NFC. 

Where's the basemark OS II test?

Getting the 6 next week, it will complement my Lumia 1520.3 perfectly.  

Leave, immediately!

Man, I hope you're being sarcastic.   Otherwise, you're being a dick.

8mp camera enjoy that fail

ask all the 1020 folks feel about the latest phone and it's smaller camera I also not ruled out Apple again and I admit I love the look of the Watch and since I am off contract I am going to weigh all my options but to see the smaller megapixels on the newest Windows Phones isn't so great

I predict the watch will suck thelifeout of your iphone and data plan.

No.

Are you kidding? That watch is worse than the phones!!

Really? The Apple watch is as fat and square as last year's smart watches. The fact that Apple failed to make a round face watch with a thin body shows just how far they have fallen. But I'm sure they will still sell in the millions. What a joke... I'm so disappointed with Apple this year (and last year, and the year before).

I think of all the smartwatches out there, the Apple Watch offers more functionality. It's better than what Android Wear can offer. Let's see what plans Microsoft has.

Hopefully MS holds out on the watches for a while. If you're not the first, be the best

Too late: The Microsoft Band - microsoft.com

8mp camera enjoy that fail

  Shouldn't you at least wait to compare images first before declaring the camera a failure?

You are right but I think even the 830's camera will blow iPhone's camera out of the water!

Megapixels don't mean everything...

The simple issue is this...the New Iphone's will be issued Sept 19 with pre-orders starting Sept. 12.  Lumia 830 was announced and we still don't know when it will be avaliable.  I want to stay loyal but MS needs to get this together.

y that is a downside for ms but then again same goes for virtually all smartphone makers

Can't agree more. MS should learn a thing or two from apple when it comes to product launch. I may pickup the iphone. I have been out of contract for months and there are no windows phones available on AT&T except for the 1520 which is certainly not my taste. Bring at least the 930. I will gladly buy.

You would be better with the m8 both Android or wp version or any new Android like the Z2 or g3 than with the iphone

You would be better with the m8 both Android or wp version or any new Android like the Z2 or g3 than with the iphone

  Why?   Can you please back up that statement with at least some argument?

They currently have 3 models for att. 1520, 1020 and I think the 820 if I am not mistaken.

Same boat here re AT&T phones. Microsoft lost a sale yesterday when my wife's Sammy Focus finally broke and I switched her to an SGS5. Would have definitely upgraded her to the Icon/930 if it was available. By the end of year I'm going to be itching to upgrade from my 920, and unless Microsoft make Icon or another high end available on att I'm afraid I'm going to grab the latest Sammy or even the iPhone 6. Microsoft just never learn, and I'm tired of waiting for something Microsoft to be really proud of.

Why don't you just buy a sim-free Icon/930 and put your existing sim card in it? Simple. It always works out cheaper in the long run. Or is that not possible in the US? Or does US carriers not have sim-only packages? i.e. 1 month or 12 month contracts.

It is possible in the US but the problem is, for reasons unbeknownst to me, they use different LTE frequencies.  The unlocked Nokia devices are using the European frequencies. I'm not aware of SIM-only plans in the US, either.  I researched it, but if such plans exist, the carriers try and make the areas of their websites as hidden as possible.  I was also unable to find any information on plans that involve monthly subscriptions, akin to my own plan.   To the best of my understanding, sales people for US carriers don't get any commission for selling SIMs on their own and therefore the best I could find were 'prepaid phone' plans, where you effectively buy a disposable phone which comes with a pre-paid amount of minutes, data, etc, which I think is highly wasteful on the environment, but whatever. With that said, an existing SIM could probably be transferred to any unlocked device and still work, but features such as visual voicemail would probably not work as they are dependant on carrier-specific firmware as opposed to country-variant firmware.

You can absolutely take an unlocked phone and get a sim-only plan from most carriers, including AT&T. I've done it. It's essentially the same as buying a phone outright from the carrier and gettng an unsubsidized plan, except you bought the phone from someone else. You can even buy a "prepaid phone" (like AT&T's GoPhone 520) and convert it over to a regular SIM. They just don't call it a "sim only" plan. It's more like "I already have a phone, just give me a plan" plan. :)

And a strange note about visual voicemail. AT&T supports VVM on a prepaid Lumia 520, but not if you convert the same phone over to a postpaid regular plan, which supports VVM on my Lumia 920. Very odd.

Took the words right outta my mouth. The 930 is the only Lumia currently that I am interested in. Unfortunately it's not available for ATT. The slow 8.1 rollout & lack of interesting phones is making me want to switch back to Apple.

As above, buy a sim-free 930 and stick you existing sim in it.

So true, Nokia/microsoft always been the same. Great phones, but marketing and distribution awful. I once got through to and got a reply from Elop, when the 620 was released, and it wasn't easily available for so long, and I've still never seen a Lumia (any number) coloured shell available in a phone shop, online yes, but in a shop, no. Whatever we may think of Apple, they build up the hype and then deliver the item when expected, Nokia can build hype then it just fizzles out, and ppl lose interest, cause the phones aren't universally available. I live in the UK, not London, but not far, and I've still never seen a 1520, and I've looked believe me. No doubt plenty here will disagree, but in my opinion this situation needs to change.

You up near Hemel way?  We've got some nokias in our local EE store but they're all budget models and they aren't switched on like some of the other devices.  They just stuck a card on the screen that says 'ask a member of staff for more information'.

Announce and deliver within 10 days is #1 feature iPhone has over ANY Windows Phone. If Microsoft expects to climb above a distant thrid place with 3% this needs to change.

Couldn't agree with you more. That plus what others have said about no upgrade options on AT&T. Lumia 1020 and 920 have been out for 15 months and 18 months respectively, and no replacement for the 1020 has been hinted at, with the 930 not making it to AT&T anytime soon. MS still has a lot of work on their hands to compete. Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android

To add to your statement, the phone model experience accross carriers should also be the same, another thing that Apple has locked down.  MS please stop exclusives.

And how about HTC One for Windows?

You're right.

Even though I am a Lumia and Windows Phone person, I am happy the new iPhone has a whole gigabyte of RAM.

Even the 5, 5c and 5s had 1 GB of RAM, I believe.

iYawn 6

Iphone 6 launch.....yawn i am going to bed...night all.

While I agree with the Apple assessment as a whole, at least they're making clear, proven steps forward. The Lumia 830 isn't even a proven improvement over the 920 from 2012, while only the camera and display resolution coming as true improvements over the 820.   Apple redundantly takes steps forward, while Microsoft just likes to make the minor changes and spin its wheels, rather than getting traction in the mobile space. I sit here on the day of the new iPhones' announcement, wondering where the progress is from Microsoft. I'm on AT&T with nothing but a 6" 1520 to upgrade to, and it doesn't even come with wireless charging or 32 GB of storage, both of which are in my 920.

I have a 32 GB AT&T 1520.

if you don't use LTE you could risk the int'l version.  I say risk because it'd have no warranty either.  That comes with built-in Qi and 32gb storage.

Well, the os for a start has been a huge step up. 8 to 8.1 pretty good. Compare with the stale nature of ios. Doubt ios8 will be anything innovative.

You are correct, the continual improvement and OS stability are critical.  MS has had time to get their act together but can deliver a product.  They have announced but no product delivery date.

Yeah but the 1520 has mini-SD card storage as well so you can bung in an extra 64GB right there for music, pictures or apps.

They DID make smartphones without keyboards and with touchscreens become the standard...but after that one (what, 7 years ago now?) nothing really new.....

Does the iphone6 record in 4k? Can you say Hey Siri? Does it have HAAC microphones? Or able to record in 5.1 Dolby Surround? Does it support DNG? Does it have OIS? Does it have a 5 element Zeiss lens with 41MP? Glance? Parallax backgrounds under transparent live tiles? Didn't think so. Apple, take your bullshit home and try again.

they'll still be laughing all the way to the bank  

They most certainly will. Is there no justice in this world? Apple is proof the USA is a nation of gullible suckers.

iOS 7 added bakground that kind of parallax scroll as you move the phone/tablet around, using the accelerometer. It's great for making yourself nauseous.

Well if you don't like "more of the same" then why are you with windows phone? The only thing wp/ms/nokia is focusing on is camera. I have a 930 so don't call me a apple fan boy ;)

I think it's funny people are excited for wireless payment on an iPhone 2 weeks after icloud had a massive hack. Hopefully they beef up their security cause someone can make this go very wrong.

I wanna see a benchmark test

I think 730 will also kill this... Nothing like high end -_-

Their processors are actually pretty powerful.

maybe not as powerfull as qualcomm 800 when it comes to cpu but gpu is probably on par if not better

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4967&idPhone2=6378

Unfortunately for us, even the iPhone 5s processor destroys the snapdragon 800. Either way, you can't really take benchmarks too seriously since manufacturers can easily cheat the system. But I guess it's not really cheating if everyone is doing it?

Yea I just wanna see em for purely statistically reasons

Yet to see a comparison that shows the 5s processor beats SD800.

http://m.gsmarena.com/htc_one_m8-review-1062p5.php
As you can see, the iPhone 5s beats the HTC One M8 with snapdragon 801 on multiple tests. But like I said before, results vary by benchmark, and manufacturers can easily cheat to favor certain tests.

If you look up the test WPCentral did the overall M8 for Windows beat the overal for 5s by over 150 points.....

Also the M8 for windows while have practically identical insides has a few differences on Windows for example notably better battery life so perhaps there would also be differences in the tests themselves with the differing OS.

Yawn... That's sooo 2012...

I assume you mean the Lumia 830, since the Snapdragon 400 is about the same as the 2012 Snapdragon S4, and the resolution is a downgrade from the 2012 920.

How is the resolution a downgrade? The 400 bests the s4.

Not technically speaking. The msm8960 (S4) is much powerful than the msm8926 (snapdragon 400) However the msm8926 DOES have all the new bells and whistles that modern SoCs have. and it IS quad core after all so efficiency is where it beats the msm8960. But benchmarks for the GPU show that msm8960 running circles around the msm8926 and that's what many of us are complaining about.

920 is 1280 x 768, which is an odd resolution. I don't really consider 1280 x 720 a downgrade.

The 830 isn't the successor of the 920!! How many times will this shit be said? Posted via Windows Phone Central App for Android!

If the 1GB RAM is actually true on the new iPhones, Apple fanboys will continue to be harassed by me. Not to mention the pixel density on the 4.7 inch model. It's exactly the same as on the 5s. Even my 720p 4.5 in Lumia 925 has a higher ppi than that.

RAM does not really matter. It's about how effecient the OS is when it comes to managing memory. Android is really poor at this, so you find phones with 3 GB of RAM. Windows and iOS are better at this. They don't really need huge amounts of RAM.  As far as iPhones are concerned, apps are tailored for them, so 1 GB of RAM does not matter at all.

Yes, that's the typical argument for Apple. What I criticize Apple for is being insanely overpriced. My point is, they charge you premium price for having "good enough" specs. Sure, you don't "need" more RAM, you don't "need" higher pixel density. But, for marketing reasons, they make it seem like it "needs" a 64 bit processor and improved CPU. They also talk about having 64-bit to be "future proof," but I don't really know how "future proof" 1GB RAM is, no matter how advanced the processor is. Then again, both WP and iOS don't have as advanced multitasking features as Android, so it makes sense that they don't need it. I'm sure both will add some sort of split screen app capabilities in the future, but I would assume that requires significant RAM usage, even if the apps themselves use less memory than those on Android.

There is no such thing as 'future proof'. That is a pipe dream, at the rate our technology is advancing. Anyone who believes their product is 'future proof' is a complete moron.

iPhone is the Porsche 911 of cell phones. -.-

Unlike Apple, Porsche crams a lot of cutting edge technology into their new cars. Apple just puts in old tech and then claims it's revolutionary.

Perhaps its just jargon but the screen and camera sensor did sound to have some new elemenents.

What new elements? OIS? Nokia had that first and they only implemented it in the larger 5.5" phone. Otherwise teh camera is the same as the 5S. The improvements were related to faster autofocus and face recognition which are probably just improvements to the software. Same with the screen. It's just larger. They mentioned something about ions being added to make the glass stronger. i will judge that by the amount of iphone I see with cracked screens. They also mention a better polarizing filter. I bet Nokia's is better. The one thing they seem to have an edge on is their processor is isn't always the fastests but has the fastest graphics and is usually near the top of any benchmark testing. They designed it themselves and it seems like the other ARM chips catch up just about the time the next iphone is due to be released.

I thought they mentioned somethinga about the sensor (not sure though and can't put myself through watching it again), extra thin backlight on the screen, and some dual-something-something-pixel-dada-of-the-LDC.. :) And I did not mean in comparison to others, more in terms of what changes they made compared to the 5S. Anyhoo, they are not dramatic changes.

Agree. In terms of technology, iPhone6 is boring. But it will still be a hit for Apple to sale Apple watch and promote Apple pay along side with this boring new giant buddy.

Please do not insult Porsche 911 - Every model year the list of improvements grows.  Besides it has an orgasmic ride - dont think a smart phone can come close :)

I'd rather forget the 996 era...

Your mother is the Porsche of ladies of the night, off with you too!

Hey, Apple fanboy. I should like to know WHY you are here in a Windowsphone forum? Also, how is it you are stupid enough to pay so much money for an inferior product? Apple fanboys are also stupid enough to pay more than twice as much for Apple computers than they would for normal Windows PCs which sport identical components. Only retards do this.

They're the best... ... Until next year!

Camera tech is the area I'd like to see WP take some cues from apple. When I can take 3 pictures on my wife's iPhone 4 for every 1 I can can take on my 928, that's a problem. Lots of missed baby smiles

Buy normal camera. That's what they are made for.

Nice

Really?  /s?

Do you have a camera on you at all times? I sure don't. If you had kids you would realize how valuable this is. I love windows phone however it has its flaws. Be willing to admit there are some things other devices do better. Capture speed on iPhone is second to none :P

Stop taking pictures of your kids.

Even for a joke that's bad.

then  we should all buy nokia 105s afterall phones are justfor calling and texting?  

Really?  Not helpful.  Take the snark and go home.  Normal cameras don't work for what us normal people do.  We don't carry cameras in our pocket so that we can catch all the little moments.  That's the benefit of a camera on a phone.  Way to totally miss the point.

Lumia Denim (for Icon, 930, and 1520)... that's your answer...

Yeah, dream upon a star

No 920 love though...

That's another huge advantage of the iOS ecosystem.  When Apple announces a new version of iOS it is unversally available within a couple of weeks, regardless of carrier.  I have a Nokia Lumia Icon and almost two months after MS released WP 8.1/Lumia Cyan, I have yet to receive Cyan.  If I want to upgrade from my Developers Preview version of WP 8.1.1, I have to downgrade then install the firmware updates (unless MS somehow fixes the Bitlocker issue for the Icon).  And the Lumia 930, almost exactly the same %*$*ing phone comes with WP 8.1/Cyan installed!  So I know there shouldn't be an issue with Verizon's network holding up the updates.   Let's not even talk about WP 8.1.1/Lumia Denim.  I'll be lucky to receive that by the middle of next year.  MS allows the Developer's Preview Program which allows customers to get the software without waiting