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T-Mobile ends online sales of its Lumia 640 two months after launch

On June 17, sales of Microsoft's Lumia 640 smartphone started at T-Mobile's website. Now, the wireless carrier has confirmed to Windows Central that it is no longer directly selling the Lumia 640, just over two months after it started.

After receiving a tip that the Lumia 640 was no longer available on T-Mobile's website, we contacted the company for more information. We received this response from T-Mobile's Twitter support account:

"We are no longer selling the Microsoft Lumia 640. Our stock/inventory changes based on the demands for particular phones."

While the T-Mobile Lumia 640 is no longer available from the carrier itself, the phone can still be bought via Walmart's website for $99.76. In addition, the phone can also be bought at MetroPCS for just $39 after a mail-in rebate, on AT&T for $79.99 and on Cricket Wireless for $99.99.

Update: A T-Mobile spokesperson has sent us this statement with additional information:

"We work closely with phone manufacturers, including Microsoft, to continually adjust our device portfolio based on supply and customer demand. As a result of this, we no longer have inventory to support taking online orders for the Lumia 640 – and Microsoft will not be providing us with additional inventory. We do have limited quantities of the Lumia 640 still available in select T-Mobile stores – customers can call their local store to check availability."

Check out the T-Mobile Lumia 640 at Walmart (opens in new tab) ($99.76)

Check out the MetroPCS Lumia 640 ($39 after mail-in rebate)

Check out the AT&T Lumia 640 (opens in new tab) ($79.99)

Check out the Cricket Wireless Lumia 640 (opens in new tab) ($99.99)

Thanks to Marek for the tip!

  • As long as they carry the rumored City/Talkman...
  • They won't, iPhone being announced in sept.... That's what going on and it's not a coincidence!
  • As if this phone was any kind of competition for an iphone. Guess next thing will be to find some way to blame google for this as well.....
  • Who said anything about it competing against the iPhone? It's for the budget conscious stupid!
  • So whats the correlation between this being cancelled and the iphone announcement in September, genuis? You're the one who claims its not a coincidence.
  • You'll see the advertising and special offers on commercials. Oh yeah, I guess you're not aware of the deal T-Mobile made with Apple a couple of years ago..... That's the correlation.... They're getting ready
  • Money. Apple has been paying these carriers for a few years now. Remember a couple years ago Verizon had to pay a penalty to Apple for not selling enough iPhones. I think it was Verizon. So how do you make sure you sell enough iPhones, you only push that phone to people. Based on recent stats, the 640 is doing pretty well. Should not be a lack of demand issue.
  • Thats really stretching it. Are we realy to believe that with Galaxy S6's, Note 5's and LG G4's available the lowly Lumia 640 that was only sold online is the one seen as an impediment to selling iphones? Really?
  • Theefman, You are missing the big picture. Apple is trying to stop Microsoft from gaining any ground, because once Microsoft starts gaining ground it will only be a matter of time before they start to cur into profits for Apple along with several other reasons.
  • Every time WP fails you fanboys blame Google or Apple. 
  • Um, no.  The carriers are the ones the fanboys blame, and totally legitimately too.
  • Is it the phone or is it really the carrier?
  • 640 is an awesome phone for the price and it should come as no surprise that it's selling well to those who do not need high end gaming and 4K video. iPhone is 5-10x more.
  • Apple isn't paying the carriers. They are requiring a minimum sales quota for the privilege of carrying the iphone.
  • The correlation is that T-Mobile made an idiiotic deal to get the iPhone a few years ago and now they have to push and push and push the iPhone just to make their money back. If people start buying Windows phones, they won't be buying iPhones. Get it?
  • If that's the case, shouldn't we be seeing lower-end Android phones being dropped as well?
  • If people start buying Windows phones, they won't be buying iPhones. Get it?
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! The Lumia 640 is going to stop iPhone users from buying iPhones?! LOL Not the Galaxy, not the HTC One, not even an LG. The Lumia 640?! What is sad is some people here genuinely believe this is why T-Mobile is pulling it.
  • POOP is better than iJUNK. FYI 640 for being a budget phn, still way better than overrated, garbage iJUNK6/6+, with horrible battery, crap camera, limited NFC, 720 screen res, Bends in your pockets, NO MicroSD slot, NO 4K video, NO Wireless charging, have to be an absolute moron/idiot to buy this overprice piece of trash and fall for CrApple's marketing BS. I guess Tim Cook's poop in aluminum foil for $1200+, is a trendy thing to have for bunch of brainless iSHEEP. Even Nokia 520 is better than iJUNK. People, there are mental hospitals, check yourself in, and find out what's wrong with your dumb brain that only sees EVIL CrApple's logo, like this idiot lady(typical iSHEEP buying iJUNK, what do you expect).
  • He was talking about the 940/940XL..
  • Well, John Legere is the kind of guy who would straight up say "I really don't give a f*** about Windows Phones. Nobody uses those." Just like how he made fun of Blackberry. I have very low expectations for T-Mobile, as usual since the Windows Phone 7 days.
  • They'll crash and burn like sprint soon, especially with Verizon getting ready to abandon contracts. ATT will follow suit and people will migrate back to ATT or Verizon from whence they came.
  • Exactly. ATT is probably the best bet so far. Verizon seems to be on and off with Windows Phones.
  • Saying that AT&T is the best is not saying much. They're all poor supporters of WP. AT&T and Verizon go in spurts.
  • Uhhhh Tmo isn't going anywhere. Verizon has done away with contracts but they're still sky high. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • After they pulled this crap with the 640, about a month ago I said goodbye to T-mobile and went to cricket. I got a dual sim 640 XL from Amazon and me and my family couldn't be happier. Coverage is better, we're paying less, and I got a great phone. Bite me LeGuiere.
  • Tmobile is currently seeing explosive growth, and they are now the 3rd largest US carrier. Your "they're going to crash and burn" comment is stupid. 
  • call me back when another carrier gains 1M+ subs for 9 quarters consecutively. LOL. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Which is why I went with Cricket for their service instead. I was with tmo for a bit but they didnt sell the 640 fast enough so I switched.
  • I do not give a f*** about Aple and Iphone!!! the components and manufacturing cost of a 16GB iPhone 6 cost Apple $200.10. The device is selling for $649 in the U.S.  without a contract with a wireless carrier. That gives the device a profit margin of about 69% The $349 Apple Watch costs just $84 to make      
  • Yeh, they should sell it ai $199 free of contract. Because you know, engeenears, designers, testers, workers, importers all work for free. I am not justifing the price of the iPhone (expecially charging $100 more for every memory increase), but I'm saying that it doesn't make much sense saying that the components costs $200.
  • This is pretty funny a TMO salesman was just trying to get my job to switch to them. They didn't have any Lumia XL phones though, so I renewed the contract with AT&T and ordered 20 640 XL black devices to replace iPhone 4s because people were locking them to their apple ID which encrypts the handset T-Mobile's loss. This is why AT&T stays near the top they have the largest variety of handsets than any other carrier.
  • I could do the same for T-Mobile. Suck, they do.
  • Wait, they're releasing ANOTHER iPhone?
  • Yes, every September is the beginning of iPhone season. And this is the "S" model year. It's like a freaking holiday.
  • Lol!.... Positive
  • Even if they do these sort of moves just hurt the windows phone eco. We need there to be a good choice of Low, Mid and High end phones to help expand. I think the 640 was a great low end phone for people on a budget and is the one I suggest now. This sort of sell it for 2 month and then stop with windows phones lately is getting crappy.
  • The 640 is a midrange phone at lowend phone prices.
  • What do expect? Do one was buying it. If it was selling they would keep it.
  • Let's see the lumia 640 for $100 or the lg Leon for $50 Spec wise they are about the same. App wise the Leon wins. Price wise Leon wins. So which one would you recommend to your customer. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • A phone which won't self destruct 3 months from now. So .. The 640.
  • Completely wrong. First, spec wise 640 is way superior than Leon - which does not even have an HD screen, 640 does. Also, $50 for Leon is a promotional offer after coupon - you can't compare the lumia at full price with a temporary sale on leon. You are just biased
  • It's not bias.  Any phone running Android is better than any phone running Windows Phone.  The reason is that Android is a powerful and flexible OS with a thriving ecosystem and Windows Phones are featurephones with no support from anyone!  Just because the 640 has decent hardware for the price doesn't make it desirable. Think about it: Would you rather get a free $300 laptop running Windows 10 or a $3000 laptop running OS/2 (assuming you could never change the OS)?  It's like that...
  • I'd rather have the $300 laptop running Windows 10.
  • I disagree. Especially for your reasoning. Basically, the phone that works with what you own, and what you like, is the better phone. Period. I have an HTC m8, a phone that actually has an android counterpart, and yeah, mines better because its windows. Maybe the world disagrees but some of us are not sheep, and could care less.
  • Please tell me what your M8 windows phone can do that the android M8 can't?  Your WP M8 is a sheep with about 2.5 legs that just got shaved. Most of Microsofts services are available for Android and Android has significantly more apps that people use.  When you can periscope, snapchat, buy a cup of Starbucks, and bank on your WP M8 you let me know. Take the blinders off, WP is great and I would prefer it if the app issue was equal between Android. It's not, wish people here would just accept that.
  • Periscope, Snapchat and Starbucks aren't apps that are integral to my business which pays for my technology expenses so I'm quite satisfied with the availability of more substantial apps on WP. But if that's what is most important to Android users, it definitely explains why they are so satisfied with their phones.
  • Any computer running windows is better than a chromebook theoretically. But there are people who prefer a chromebook to windows because despite a more powerful laptop they want a fluid and consistent experience. Your logic is screwed
  • That is a retarded analogy. A better analogy would be saying to have a $3,000 laptop loaded with Ubuntu or suse Linux. Similarly the same market share percentage as Linux is to desktops thereabouts. You picked os2 which doesn't really exist anymore. The wp8 is is not but a few years old. ​
  • I am sorry, but what? Anny phoe running android is better then any phone with wp? :))). The only phones that are good enough to keep in your pocket with android, are the ones that costs the most. The mid rage and low end ones are pieces of junk, garbage, crapp, disposible!!! Just looking at Xperia aqua m4 makes me wanna puke. And is the new hype in mid rage devices. 640 crushes that crap in everyway posible. Battery, stability, reliability build quality. If you buy a phone just for apps, you got to be a bit of am "dungy". But well, with people like this i can create a mobile company that makes cheep crapp androids to sell to them. Hey, it has apps!!!
  • Gimme OS/2.
  • That's the problems right there. I can't recommend WP. Sad as it is. I helped two people buy phones and apps they needed were not in WP and wasn't going to be. So Android it was. :(
  • If they are selling it for $50, they are, most likely, losing money.
  • No one is buying it because the punks that work at T-mobile stores do everything they can to discourage people from buying Windows phones. When  I bought my 925 I had to ask for a manager and threaten to leave to get them to sell me the 925. They have a bunch of kids working for them that know nothing about technology.
  • And its been this way for years and STILL Microsoft doesnt do anything about it so if they cant make carriers treat theier phones equally isnt it time they went at it solo? That seems to be whats been hinted as the way they are going in the future but it remains to be seen, but at some point Microsoft is going to have to step up and fix this themselves.
  • Make crap products that don't sell. Why should any carrier waste their time and money. Cityman and talkman are cheap looking plastics that are DOA. I'll give them six months at least until EOL status. Lumias are now seen as crap, even to the fanboys. Continuing this line will just make MS look bad. Give it back to Nokia. The world is ready for the surface phone or frankly surface mobile .
  • I call bs... but sales people will recommend what they typically use themselves. There's no high end windows phone that can compete with the 6plus, note 5, edge plus or g4. If you upset at least focus it on Microsoft. How long has it been since there was a real high end phone? What's sad is the leaked photos of their new ones are ugly. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • They reccomend whatever they get a spiv (kickback) for.  I was in the phone retail game for a couple of years (well before smartphones) and all the staff from my store and the others in my city pretty much sold ONLY the handsets that generated an additional $5-$10 per sale being added to our paychecks. The phones might change, but human nature and greed will always stay the same and trump customer needed every time.
  • Thanks for bringing that up my mother is a blackberry user and we went in the store to ask about the classic the negative vibe we got from that almost made me flip on them but I was already expecting it since im on Windows phone something else they cold careless about so when the guy went into the why do want a blackberry speech I told my mom lets go I know I seem like a bitch but I hate people trying to tell us what phone we should have because "bb Is dead" and "wp doesn't sell "
  • I couldn’t agree more to this.
  • This is exactly the reason. I am in tech support and people at my call center bash Windows phones whenever they can. I mention the low prices of the Windows phones when someone needs to replace their broken phone with no insurance and no upgrade and other reps don't even offer them. They tell the customer to buy a Galaxy S4 for $400 full retail as if that's reasonable. People are addicted to Google (as a brand) and only want Android. The thing I don't get is why they are unwilling to try Windows phones at all without ever trying them and why they also bash Windows 10 over "privacy concerns" when the brand they love (Google) mines the hell out of their data far and away worse than Microsoft ever could dream of with all settings set to ON. I don't get it, but I'll keep on keeping on. Until my Lumia quits. I really think it comes down to Americans and our want for "premium" everything. People like Samsung because they are told they are "the next big thing" as well as the anti-iPhone, and people want iPhones and Macs because they are told that they are "special" and part of the upper crust for using them. Windows phones don't say that.
  • Unfortunately Microsoft does a piss poor job of creating sexy drool worthy phones. They also can't seem to figure out that not everyone wants their home screen cluttered with flipping tiles in only three sizes. The big problem is still the lack of app support and current apps found on the other two platforms. That had always been the problem and Microsoft isn't making much headway in narrowing that gap. Oh and plastic phones aren't helping their cause either. They just don't seem to know how to design premium looking hardware outside of the Surface group.
  • So remind me how many icon sizes the apple phones (under 15% marketshare, but close to 90% of smartphone profits/revenue) offer...   Oh, thats right.
  • Tmobile all but claims lack of sales. Let's count the ways TMobile itself contributed to lack of sales:
    1. WP displays in carrier stores very minimal (completely gone now)
    2. Zero WP advertising in carrier stores
    3. L640 (and others) never available in stores
    4. L640 (and others) hard to find on web site
    5. Only iPhone and Android phones promoted I really can't imagine why the L640 (and other WP phones) didn't sell at TMobile. I truly do not expect either Lumia 950 to be sold by TMobile. This longtime customer (since Aerial) may be jumping ship in a few weeks.
  • I jumped ship from T-Mobile after the Lumia 710 debacle and have enjoyed the 920, 1020, 635, 1520, 640 and One M8 for Windows on AT&T and I have better AT&T coverage, 15GBs of rollover data and more than I ever had on T-Mobile and thats after being a T-Mobile evangelist for 7 years, even leaking/providing some of the first hands on of the HD2 in video, the Nuron and other devices working with several TMo stores to get info, passing the info, pics and videos on to TMonews. T-Mobile has never cared about Windows Phone and they will probably take the same crummy attitude with Windows 10 Mobile. US carriers and their biased reps (along with selfish and biased media) will forever doom Microsoft's efforts with phones.
  • Then again, why would T-Mobile spend millions of dollars advertising a phone that sells for less than $100, when the majority of Americans don't want cheap phones? T-Mobile makes more money if it sells flagship devices. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • They also showed very little attention to their 925 and m8 windows.
  • Which brings up the point that it seems that most Android and Apple users are adamant about the status of owning the latest flagship device. Personally I enjoy paying $100 or less for a phone that has the ability to seamlessly integrate with the majority of work environments while being enjoyable to use without having to be tied to any single provider. It pays for itself over the first month of ownership.
  • Why waist money on a crap plastic that doesn't sell?
  • Except from the stats it appears that it does sell and has been selling well.
  • Or english classes where idiots don't learn the difference between waste and waist...
  • When I went into the Tmo store the sales people tried to flip me to an iphone. I asked the person do you know anything about a Windows phone? It was like a deer in headlights. Since they where clueless, they just went got the phone. Anyway, I have been with Tmo for over 10 years and it is time to move on as it is clear they don't care or want Window Phones. They try like hell to make me happy, however, poor coverage in areas that I need, makes strike two. I will be jumping after the W10 announcement if Tmo doesn't step up.
  • Sooooooo, why is it not selling boatloads in AT&T or Verizon?  Could it be that people just don't like WP as much as we always make ourselves believe here in windowscentral?
  • Unfortunately, I have to agree. If there was demand, I doubt they'd stop seeking it.
  • "No one was buying it?" It was hard as hell to even find one. Many got snapped up by wannabe scalpers to sell at 300% profit on eBay, and when that didn't work, I guess some of them got returned? Took me weeks to find one at Walmart at a reasonable price, to give to my wife.
  • I don't think att is having any problems selling theirs.
  • It is a midrange phone from two years ago, maybe. It is definitely low end these days. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • No it isn't, I replaced a 928 with a 640 and lack for almost nothing, it is a mid-range phone right now. Two years ago it was practically high end.
  • It has a Snapdragon 400 a 720p display, it's kind of hard to call that midrange.
  • On Android it would be. But for WP that will run better than "midrange" devices on Android any day.
  • I blame gangster rap.
  • LOL
  • LOL!!!
  • I love my 640xl it's a great phone. I would go back to a dumb phone before I even consider an iPhone. YUK I hate Apple. Never Never Never.
  • I'm starting to think they should simply give up on phones. They've failed to bring any innovation to the field for two straight years, and the next models look to be little more than a spec bump and an OS mod that's more like an Android knockoff than modern Windows.
  • Screw T-Mobile, just in time for the iPhone announcement...... Typical.
  • Lol.
    Sep 9, the world will see another half eaten work.
  • What does the iPhone have to do with this? Windows Phones don't sell. End of story. They always get axed early because of slow sales. That is why carriers do not usually bother selling them in the first place. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • exactly. nobody uses or buys windows phones, and somehow that's apples fault? 
  • What about all of the low end Android that don't sell? And there definitely plenty of them out there
  • How can they sell it if they didn't even carry it in stores nor even advertise it.
  • Your right windows phone currently is know as a budget phone which is why the two flagship devices should have been something else instead they look low budget even though the specs are good. I think T-mo will carry 5 2 but then they also could be exclusive right now I'm sitting back hoping HTC brings something good but overall Windows phone problem is solely Microsoft fault
  • nobody is going to buy the flagships either. they're DOA, just like the 930, 920, icon, 1520, etc. 
  • I bought two L920 flagships. I then bought two L1520 flagships. So, people DO buy and ARE going to buy the Microsoft Flagships.
  • Hmm... While I don't blame Apple, I still don't agree it's due to solely low sales.
    It is a lack of marketing, and a lack of equal treatment by sales reps. End of story.
    You can't tell me that anything Pantech does in Android sells in high volumes compared to Apple, Samsung and probably Microsoft.
    Hell, even HTC sells low volume Android devices(not referring to HTC One) and probably costs the carrier lots more money to keep in stock when they don't sell. Why are those still around?
  • They are still around because they do meet their sales expectations. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Android buys space in the Sprint stores.  I don't know about Apple.  At least my local Sprint store had the Lumia 635 displayed like every other phone.
  • Due to marketing? LOL Microsoft spent billions marketing the initial Lumias. They did not sell. Equal treatment by sales reps? LOL You should go work as a salesperson in one of those cellphone shops, you will come back here and apologize. You will hesitate to recommend windows phones too when you realize that the return rates for them are very high. A user that has researched and walks into a store seeking a windows phone is more likely to keep it than one that is talked into buying one by a sales rep. When he/she gets home and realizes he cannot get certain apps that his peers have, that phone would be returned with a quickness and you, the sales rep, would take the hit.    
  • Pantech is bankrupt. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Week this got no support from tmob from the get go. None in store, only online. Hell WalMart supports it better by actually stocking the tmob prepaid in store. How does it hurt them to leave the website page up and still some more? The MS store near me had the att go phone but not the tmob version when they previously had the 521 and 635s
  • Exactly. And by the looks of things, Microsoft is doing next to nothing to change this. The rumored new models, if accurate, are an underwhelming spec bump at best, and if the final version of Windows 10 mobile is anything like the preview, it'll be a usability nightmare and a major step backwards.
  • Fanboys, meet reality.
  • Had nothing to do with fan boys because Tech Data companies pointed to the 640 as selling very well. Speaking of fan boys, let me guess your an iPhone or Android fan: Hence your comment! And oh yeah how about t mobiles Apple fan companyism ( new word)
  • Agree with omg55
  • It was selling well in regards to other Windows phones
  • No, the reality is that beyond the little fanboy parties thrown on this site WP has a real issue appealing to users. Tmo has seemingly been ok with their WP sales previously so for them to stop selling this phone after just 2 months signals something is seriously wrong. But reality seems to be completely absent from any discussion here and everyone just nods and praises Microsoft when events like this tell a completely different story.
    And again, your patented response calling someone an iphone/android fan because their view doesnt follow the yes-man template employed on this site amply demonstrates my point about being out of touch with reality.
  • Plus Nadella probably told them TMO is not of their "productive relationships" and MS would pull out. Mastermind. ;) Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • As I said in another comment, Tmo employees do their best to keep from selling you a Windows phone. After I bout my L925, I recommended it to several other people and they all went to different Tmo stores but encountered the same problem I did. They actually harass you about buying the phone. I've been with them for eleven years, but I actually considered leaveing because of their stupidity. IKt's hard to get sales when the carrier is actually fighting it.
  • And we all know this is nothing new, so really we have to see if MS is true to their word and stops dealing with carriers detrimental to the platform and take on sales themselves.
  • Considering Tmobile employees trying to sell you iphones and Galaxy phones, I wouldn't be suprised. I haven't seen any marketing for this phone from Microsoft. Other than that, this phone gets good reviews from consumers.
  • Tmo employee's try to sell you phones that are popular, phones that they know won't get returned. They want to get you in and out the door as soon as possible, and that's all there is to it.
  • Exactly.  Retail employees on commission don't want customers returning Windows phones because, "....Hey!  There's no Snapchat, or Instagram or Hangouts, or Youtube on this!  And Facebook sucks on it!"
  • What is the return rate for WP? I am calling BS on that. You dont know the actual return rates of phones.
  • Daniel Rubino has said more than once that WP has a high return rate, and that this fact affects sales. 
  • There is Instagram on WP. Have you even used WP? Instagram is Instagram Beta or popular third party app 6tag, and for youtube you have TubeCast, Metrotube, myTube... And don't get me even started with Snapchat and their stupid CEO and the stupid developer of SnapSaved(Android app) from which server data got leaked.
  • If they wanted to get you in and out of the door fast, they wouldn't stand there and argue with you and then get another sales rep to do the same. The last thing I need is some know-nothing pimple faced kid telling me what phone I should buy and what is the best. I'm a high school technology teacher and most teens know nothing about tech. They just want what their friends have. Then they come asking me if I can fix it, or how to get something to work. If Tmo wants their kids selling iPhones and Galaxys, they need to quit pretending to even carry Windows phone. Unfortunately, MS isn't in a position to dictate to carriers the way Apple is.
  • Or could it be something as simple as getting higher commissions expensive phones?
  • Former Tmo employee here. I never told people what phone to buy. We were trained to ask what people wanted out of a phone and then give reccomendations. The majority of people wanted things in a phone that WP didnt offer. (snapchat, google services, popular fad games, etc) I wouldnt reccomend a WP to someone i know wouldnt be happy with it. If i did, it would most likely be returned, and employees dont get the sales commision if a device is returned. If a customer didnt need a lot of first party apps, or tons of games, i would certainly reccommend WP. In addition, samsung, LG, and a couple other manufacturers offered sales incentives to sell their devices. Gift cards, free phones, clothing, even offering a higher commision on occasion. While i worked at Tmo, Microsoft/Nokia never had any incentive programs (neither did Apple to be fair). In my experience, most employees i worked with at Tmo were sales driven. They dont care what they sell, they sell what can earn them the most money or what they know will have a low rate of return. 
  • Thank you. 
  • Well, I wish I and my friends had encountered sales reps like you. When a sales rep starts arguing with me and telling me what I need and want, when I know what I need and want, it makes me angry. I know a lot of Windows Phone owners who've had a very similar experience at T-mobile.
  • I feel lucky (now). When I went to a local TMO store to buy a 925 (Nov. 2013) it was hassle-free. I walked in: "How may I help you".  ... "I have a 521 and like it so well I'd like to buy the 925." ... "Sure, let me see if I have any in stock." ... They had 3 in stock, I bought it ... easy peasy. No attempt to lure me to anything else, no "You don't need that one, here let me show you blah blah blah" ... They had a 521 and 925 on display there.
  • I use all devices and you have to be blind not to see the difference carries display when advertising, salespeople's lack of knowledge of devices outside of Apple and Android. I can sell any phone to anybody because I talk to them to find out several things: 1. There use case
    2. Knowledge level
    3. Do they want to be locked into a multi year contract These simple questions would help me determine what device I should be offering, budget, etc.
  • Same here. Galaxy S5, S6 Edge, Lumia Icon and iPhone 5 all in my stable of work phones and I recommend what I think best for the user based on what they tell me. The ones that use Windows phones tend to love them. The only people that give me negative comments about it are those that haven't used it at all, they've just spoken to other people who heard that you can't install apps or other such nonsense. I don't go around punishing myself every day by using this Lumia, I genuinely prefer it. I consider myself a "power user"... Mist people that think they are power users assume that means downloading and installing a ton of apps. I think it means maximizing the usage of the device at your disposal as efficiently as possible... You know.. USING it. It's frustrating that having 12 apps for 8 tasks is the new normal. I would rather have 3 apps for those 8 apps, and would prefer the OS do it on its own. That hurts adoption though, hence Microsoft pulling stuff from the OS and letting apps do it instead.
  • ^^this^^ +925 :)
  • I could have not said it better myself. I see people all the time with bogged down phones, hundreds of apps, that never used and these people think they are guru's. I change phones all the time and have a core of small apps I install, and that's it. Because like you, I am the master of my device, not the other way around.
  • I was a wp user, and an android user, and an iphone user. I have dropped wp for many reasons: lack of quality in apps, no quality in service from customer support calls: called in uk, answer was from India,  MS's crappy policy over their own apps which get removed leaving users with a beta horrible experience: lumia camera in win10 for most models case, lack of proper quality control for devices before releasing them:930,830,1520 had all of them with issues such as screen popping off the frame, scroll issue, overheating. aand on a mobile phone I want an OS for mobiles not a replica of a desktop OS as win10 is now.
  • @OMG55 - Do you know if the data was for the US or global? I'm wondering if the phone is selling considerably well everywhere else but not in the US. Wouldn't be the first time this happens with Windows Phone if that was the case.
  • Tell him!
  • The 640 sells well relative to other Windows phones. And for what it is, it's decent at the $79 at&t price, but I wouldn't pay any more than that.
  • Hmmm... Thought all signs pointed to it selling very well?
  • Relative to other Windows phones. If one is extremely generous there may be about 5 million Windows phones in circulation in the US. 5% of that is 250,000 between several 3rd tier carriers, MS and T Mo... not exactly setting the world on fire. OK performance in Windows world perhaps. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • If 9 million Lumiaa are sold each quarter then that is 5 million Lumiaa each quarter for the us. Might want to change those stats
  • I have no idea what you are saying. If 9 million Lumias are sold globally each quarter, how on earth does that convert into 5 million sold per quarter in the US? :D
  • I am on Tmo.  The fact that it was being sold on their site for $129, plus the cost of the obilgatory new SIM for $15, probably goes a long way to explain why they had so little demand.  Why on earth would I buy from Tmo when I can get at at Walmart for $99 and use my existing SIM?
  • Hell, the one from WalMart comes with a new SIM in it.....included in the price. Nice to know that my "Carrier" is WalMart. Then of course at my WalMart, t-Mobile's display is exactly 1" wide. And they don't even know what a 640 is.
  • Yeah that's what I was thinking too.
  • Exactly
  • Tmo doesn't make you buy a new sim if the one you currently have is the right size. Jeez
  • That's a good point
  • Rough. Doesn't look good for the new flagships if they can't even sell a dirt cheap phone. T-Mobile probably won't be in any hurry to sell future Windows phones. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's not the case at all.
  • Windows phone is as good as dead. In five years, it's made almost no progress. There's no reason to think that will change.
  • Tmo doesn't waant to sell Windows phones.
  • But, but, everyone here loves the uncarrier.
  • I did love the uncarrier until I found out that I can get more data for much less, AND better service areas from cricket. Then I dropped the uncarrier and saved more money for a better service! =)
  • Could you please explain how so? Not being argumentative! I'm about done with t-mobile, but cricket can't even begin to touch t-mobiles pricing. I'm currently paying $100 ish a month for two lines with unlimited everything including data, including hotstop use, including international.
  • If people actually wanted to buy Windows Phones, American carriers would keep them stocked up. They push the devices that they know are popular, and you are in denial if you don't believe this.
  • You'e correct, but also have the whole thing backwards. They don't sell because the carriers have NEVER offered them with anything like the same amount of staff training, advertising and ungluing their lips from the apple teat. I use all 3 platforms, well I say use but thats sort of a lie with android as all but the best handsets are shit slow and crashy and prevent users from actually doing much with them anyway.  The iPhone is so overhyped and expensive its amazing.  They have a really good marketing team to be able to convince so many people that a low-to-mid range phone is worth paying top dollar for. And they never gave MS the time of day right from the start.  MS made some really dumb moves (inc the change from 7.5 to 8) but even their most 'affordable' handsets are far more fluid and un crashy and bug/spyware laden than all but the top androids.  They'd easily sell WP if they wanted to, but they are addicted to the huge profits made on iPhone, and the ignorance of customers that somehow still believe that google is a 'good' company instead of the real world embodyment of Mr. Robot's EvilCorp.
  • ATT go phone has it for 79.99. My favorite phone right now even over my galaxy s6 edge. Runs windows10 great
  • What! But how? You can do that?
  • Much like the desktop, there's also a Windows 10 Insider Preview for mobile.  It's been available for a few months now.
  • Yep att has it 79.99 Tmo prepaid its 99.99 both at WalMart
  • I have a 640 and my first attempt to put the Insider Preview on it failed where I nearly thought I just bricked it. How is Win10 on it so far?
  • Great
  • I have Windows on my 640 and it runs great.
  • Wow, your 640 runs Windows?? How did you do that?
  • You seriouse or are you joking?
  • I bought the 640 last week at the Microsoft store for $69.99.  Installed windows insider, updated to Windows 10 and it works great.  It's a great phone and the price CAN NOT be beat!
  • My local supermarket had a deal a couple of weeks ago for the low end Lumia 532 for $49 (australian, about US$38).  I bought myself one (to test WP10on, no way would I sacrifice my 820 or 1520) and was probably responsible for them selling out of the rest of their stock to people I told about them. For a sub $50 phone its freaking amazing, and even runs WP10 insider with no major issues.  The equivalently priced androids were ones like the excremental Galaxy Young, and a couple of ZTE and Alcatel pieces of shit.  But guess which ones were advertised and promoted in-store?  Actually, you don't need to guess.
  • The carriers are still not trying at all  
  • True, they're getting ready for the iPhone announcement and will have all kinds of buy back offers along with free upgrades for exiting users. Apple pays them a lot of money for this type of service!
  • No they don't. No carrier on this planet will abandon all phones just in favor of the iPhone release. IPhones will sell no matter what, you don't see carriers axing Samsung in time for iPhone release. The only reason why WP is getting killed is because T-Mob never sold that many WPs in last several years with lack of demand. No demand = no point in selling the product.
  • No, they didn't sell because they actively try to keep you from buying it.
  • Keep telling yourself that. Anything to deny reality, right?
  • He has reality pretty spot on.
  • They are actively trying to not sell it because the experience is subpar for the majority of consumers. It sucks. Period. Why try to sell something that is just going to get returned? Android and iPhone are popular and people like them, the risk is low. Windows phone carries a risk and sales people have no reason to take that risk. Why would you? Is it worth your job? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's ignoring the very real risk Google represents to the carriers themselves.  Why risk your job when you can risk the whole company? Here's hoping the world wakes up and WP10 is finally the success it deserves to be.  Hopefully Microsoft has a long memory and if they find themselves in the position will block T-Mobile from carrying Windows devices once popularity is achieved.
  • Grow up, seriously.
  • The User reviews on T-Mobile tell a completely different story  LOL
  • If your statement is true, then why did they even carry it in the first place? As you stated, they wouldn't even have bothered? There was a major out cry amongst there use base. I remember the petitions and twitter page posts.
  • Sprint did
  • @OMG55: Any suppport for what you said? 
  • Cricket is trying. What every WP user must do is to switch over to Cricket. All other Carriers don't care about WP. I dropped T-Mobile last month because of this.
  • Who uses cricket.....i hear crickets! No cricket advertising here in US..... Southern Texas anyway.
  • Actually lots of people use cricket and windows phone is doing very well with them.
  • Cricket is one of the best providers. I get 20GB of data per month for $55 flat. Quite cheap, especially for the AT&T network. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Nope, what people should do is buy unlocked, unbranded phones and give carriers the middle finger. You praise cricket now but remember the phones they have already left behind and its obvious unlocked is the best way to go.
  • NOPE! Cricket may sell many Windows Phones, but that's all they do. Personal experience: AIO/Cricket Lumia 620; Only ever had Amber. No Black, no Cyan, no WP8.1, no Denim, no hope of Windows 10. Cricket Lumia 630; Came with Cyan, no Denim.  Smart money is on no Windows 10. Keep in mind, Cricket is owned by AT&T, the same company that hasn't updated the 830 to include advertised features. Buy carrier free whenever possible.
  • I dropped them two months ago. And my Cricket rep HAD the Lumia 640. I was sold!
  • Wow is so difficult be a windowsphone user :/ every is against us even Microsoft
  • Even MS... Lol.. Hahahahazzzzzz
  • The second most popular Windows Phone in the US gets virtually shelved in less than a quarter? Sounds like hidden agendas to me. /tinfoilovertruth Oh well, buy what device you like and enjoy it. I was just thinking about buying a second 640 with ATT as it is an amazing phone for the price. The removable battery, expandable storage, 8MP with flash, FFC and 1GB RAM with a quad core processor and a Windows 10 future is hard to beat with a $79.99 price tag with ATT.
  • Cannot go wrong with a phone of that quality that is the same price as one month of AT&T service.
  • @deaconclgi Buy the ATT Lumia 640 gophone and purchase unlock code on ebay. Buy the phone at microsoft store, att, wherever, unlock it and then use any carrier you like for voice and data.  Download Windows Insider and update to Windows 10.  It's too easy and $80 is a great price for a phone.  
  • People still need to buy unlock codes? Is this because they are indentured to a carrier via a contract? Madness...
  • In two months time, the 640 has become the second most used Windows phone. Everything being relative, it seems to be selling just fine.
  • It sells fine compared to other Windows phones.  I bet the new Moto G, in the same category, probably did Ten times the sales numbers.
  • I disagree. Its not pushed very hard from anyone.
  • Wtf sense does this even make. They sold the 635 way longer. As long as they get the city man I'm good
  • I'd be worried about the cityman only because if they stop selling it what's to say they probably support it with updates.
  • now lets see the Americans crying cause their daddy wont sell them the phones they want
  • We aren't as fortunate as the rest of the world. Here in America we are beholden to put corporate overlords. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Not really, using a Lumia 1520.3 on Tmo. Go unlocked and be free from the evil carrier overlords!!!! :)
  • What did you pay for that 1520.3?
  • I'm still using my "Unicorn" (1520.3) with no plans to replace it anytime soon. I just hope when the time does come, there will be another unlocked high end phone that works on TMo bands.
  • I genuinely feel for you guys. The carriers in America have way too much control & they meddle too much with the hardware and software of phones. It's quite ridiculous. Is there no way to pursue some sort of class action to curtail their power?
  • "Here in America we are beholden to put corporate overlords." Only if you choose. I haven't used a carrier branded or locked phone for 3 years, and I'm under contract with Verizon. I'm hanging on to the contract because I have an old unlimited data plan. I also take advantage of the subsidized phone since I get no price reduction for being out of contract. There's nothing stopping anyone from buying an unlocked phone and using it on the carrier of their choice. Of course, with Verizon the options are limited, but on AT&T and T-Mobile you can get pretty much whatever phone you want.
  • The fact is not every American is rich & when given the opportunity to pay $100 for a phone + sign a 2 year contract, many people will. Also, not every carrier in the U.S. discounts your monthly rate if you pay full price for a phone so better to sign the contract in that case. Europe is smarter: One standard spectrum were all carriers compete on service/price. US is dumb: Each carrier on a different spectrum, monopolizing through phone exclusivity
  • That doesnt make sense and seems to be rather rude. Watch your mannors Sir/Maddom.
  • T-Mobile is so full of crap very few even knew they carried it and since it was online only people going into the store for bought something else 9 out of 10 times unles they really wanted the 640
  • But you go to MetroPCS, and they have them.
  • As great as they did for the nexus line for android, they have been horrible for Windows Phone support. I say this having owned the 810 and the 1M8 4 Windows.
  • Come on Microsoft just kill Windows Mobile already!! There is no future for it!I​ Continnium will not make it survive.
  • Why because you said so ?
  • No because of facts. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • What facts?
  • Actually there's a chance that Continuum will take off in the enterprise and windows mobile will succeed in business (like the old,old version of windows mobile did). Not a big chance, but there's a chance. and Windows Hello could be very cool on the phone (if it's as good as the desktop version)
  • Shut up hater!!! Leave the people who enjoy WP alone. It's been 1 year since I switched fron Android to WP and I couldn't be more happy.
  • I got my son the att go 640 and have it on my att post paid acct. It's a really nice phone. The size is right on the money. The battery last quite a while too.
  • T-Mobile is the worst.  I have started getting dropped calls and "unable to send" text messages in areas where the phone shows a strong signal on my T-Mobile handset.  T-Mobile customers (especially of the WP variety) would be better served saving money and gaining coverage on one of the ATT MVNOs if they can find a plan that works for them. The ATT Lumia 640 works on all of their MVNOs and is only $70.
  • And T-Mobile works perfect for me, plus I get unlimited data.
  • You also get unlimited data with att gophone. Your point?
  • Never had that issue with TMO where I live.
  • The coming soon landing page was up longer than the thing was actually available. That's just pathetic
  • It is what it is, but I don't get how Americans let themselves cornered by the service providers. Here, most people, buy the phone we like. I couldn't care less if Vodafone loves pr hates Windows Mobile, I get what I want.
  • Here in the USA people are used to buying phones from the carriers, especially because we were getting them at a cheap prove in exchange for paying more money every month.
  • It's not that simple. The carriers in America are aware that people can just buy an unlocked device and so they meddle with the firmware and use odd network technologies so that the phone won't work on the network unless they approve it and it has the right bands for it.
  • We don't pay full price for phones. Only recently have carriers been offering installment plans to buy phones full price. Pretty much nobody pays $400-500-600 upfront for a phone-it is what it is in this country.
  • Now you know how the ICON buyers feel.
  • At least that lasted 6 months....
  • Correct me if I'm wrong but TMo never offered the 640 in stores, right?  Given the already low demand for Windows Phones, did they seriously think they were going to sell any 640s by only offering them online, especially when they're likely buriend beneath a mountain of iPhone and Galaxy advertisements?  Years later and AT&T is still the place to be for new Windows Phones.  Sucky.
  • I believe that is correct.  I had to purchase it online but they added it to my monthly bill and didn't charge me for a SIM even though it came with a new one. 640 is the best phone for the money on the market right now.
  • As a Tmobile rep that is correct
  • Lol how do you expect it to sell when you never offered in your stores, have to dig through a pile of Android and iPhones to find the Lumia 640 on the website, no one knows about the phone (lack marketing), and your price is higher than AT$T and Walmart.
  • So the most important thing is that with the new devices Microsoft would change the strategy to more a Motorola like one with unlocked phones at reasonable prices
    The success of wm10 in the USA is much needed for the platform
  • And yet is has the best reviews for any budget phone on the entire freakin website. I call BS. Tmo hates windows phone almost as much as Verizon. 640 will never get windows 10 on tmo. Ugh. Im very close to jumping into Android, but these damn live tiles are keeping me from doing that. If MS wants people to use Windows phone they should just release a ROM for Android so we can dual boot, since us cell carriers treat Windows like ass.
  • You should leave T-Mobile instead.
  • If Tmobile or any other carrier hates WP, it's only because they sell poorly. I'm sure they absolutely love phones that are popular. 
  • No demand equals no's just that simple.  It has absolutely nothing to do with the phone being a Windows device.  Even though it is the second most popular phone in the US, T-Mo is the smallest of the Big 3 when it comes to phone service in the US.  Add that to the equation and there's a legitimate reason for T-Mo to eliminate phones that aren't selling for something that will.   Economics 101.  
  • Exactly
  • No demand because it was priced way higher than WalMart. Everyone bought it there...
  • Yay, budget crap!
  • Whats crap about the 640? Have you used one to make such a bold statement?
  • It's a budget phone. By my standards of phones, that makes it crap. I'd put my 920 up against it gladly, given the SoCs are about the same (despite the 920's being 2 years older), and the 920 has wireless charging. I don't like the flooded budget WP market, given how barren the high-end has been for 2 years, really. So, I say good riddance to a pointlessly redundant model. The 600 (or 500) series shouldn't even exist, same for the 400 and 700 series.
  • Not everyone have shitloads of money. The only thing that kept Windows Phone alive was budget phones.
    Tell me, who will ever buy a 500-600$ phone when they can't even use their basic apps on it (Facebook, Messenger, Snap chat e.t.c. So many bank apps are not even here, several apps like LinkedIn, IMDb and shitloads of more are broken and hasn't been updated in years), and yes, it might not matter to you, but for the rest of the world, it does. If I'm spending 500$ on a phone, I'd prefer something that gets shit done.
    Now this is not the case when you're buying a budget phone. Because for a mere 100$, you're getting a solid 5" HD screen, solid 8MP Camera, Front Camera, 1GB RAM & a powerful Quad Core CPU & with all the major sensors as well. If you're getting all this for 100$ along with a stable OS, then the deal doesn't look so bad, does it? Even if you're missing apps and stuff you'll put up with it as other features+dirt cheap price more than make up for the main flaw.
    Remember it wasn't the 920 that made WP popular, it was 520.
  • The money matters of others doesn't make the 640 a better phone. I don't use Facebook as it is. I've never touched, or had interest in, Snapchat. I dont' do mobile banking (pass on THAT identity theft waiting to happen). I have no issues with the IMDb app, so I can't take that complaint for anything. For a mere $100, you get a low-end CPU and GPU, limited storage, limited RAM, a so-so screen, and a mediocre camera. That's why I don't touch those things. They're like the Acer budget laptops--if you're not needing it for anything major, it's fine. If you're going to use it heavily, you can do much better. For the record, I'm in the U.S. I got my 920 at launch for $50 on-contract with a free wireless charger. The savings on a mobile contract are pretty small when you upgrade here. Oh, and if you want a stable OS, steer clear of W10M. It's far from that now, and we already know for a fact it's not goign to be feature-complete at launch.
  • "They money matters of other doesn't make 640 a better phone"
    But just because you didn't like it does makes it a bad phone. Flawless logic!
    "I don't use Facebook as it is. I've never touched, or had interest in Snapchat. I don't do mobile banking"
    Wow you're one spoiled self-center prick. The world doesn't revolves around you, mate. "I have no issues with IMBb app."
    It hasn't been updated in years. You can't login, it crashes randomly and it doesn't even show any info for some movies.
    "I'm in U.S and got my 920 for 50$"
    Windows Phone are not US specific, and even in the US some people don't like carrier contracts.
    "For a mere 100$ you get low end CPU & GPU, limited storage, limited RAM & so-so screen"
    640's GPU & CPU are better than 920. The camera isn't bad, considering it's 8MP. 1GB RAM is more than enough, and 8 GB Internal Memory is solid too, not to mention that you can expand memory using SD Card. 5" 720p Screen? I wouldn't call it a "so-so screen".
    "Oh and if you want a stable OS, stay away from WM10"
    Windows Phone comes with 8.1, not WM10, not to mention that WM10 is still BETA. I don't think any normal user will install it, unless he/she is a tech savvy.
  • Your points don't apply to my usage, so I'm a prick? You're just a whining assclown who can't have an intelligent discussion, so GFY, I'm done with you.
  • You're the one saying that just because budget phones don't meet your requirements, they shouldn't exist, and you're calling me whiny? Nice.
    Yes, I can't and probably never will be able to have an intelligent conversation with dumb people like you.
    The fact that you said that, "I'm done with this conversation" means that you are unable to counter any of my argument thus you're acting like a 7 years old child. Grow up!
    TL;DR: I win.
  • See, you're an illiterate, assumptive jackwagon, so you didn't actually get what I was saying. I didn't say budget phones shouldn't exist. I triple dog dare you to find THOSE words. I said that two of the budget lines shouldn't exist, and it's because there are FIVE OF THEM, and they overlap horribly. It fragments the work of the hardware division. It confuses the consumer base. It's a freaking mess. I said I'm done because you're a freaking tool who wants to call opinion fact and leave it at that. The "I win" proves it. I'd rather go back to playing Halo than argue with a dipshit who can't comprehend simple sentences.
  • You said the 600 (or 500) series shouldn't exist, same for the 400 & 700.
    While the numbering of the phone is a bit messed up, I don't see how anything else is a mess. Again Windows Phones are not U.S specific.
    The 400, is absurdly cheap and is obviously a very solid option for anyone who is looking for a phone replacement or is new to WP, for example in my country you can get a 430 for around 30-35$.
    Same goes for 500 series, Lumia 640 in many countries costs around 170$ while you can get a Lumia 540 for around 120$ without sacrificing any specs. It's actually a good thing to have this many options. I don't see how it confuses anyone? I mean people usually do a bit of research before buying a new phone.
    It's also great that Microsoft has made 1GB RAM compulsory.
    Lumia 400 series - Low end
    Lumia 500 series - Low to Mid end
    Lumia 600 series - Mid end
    Lumia 700 & 800 series - Mid to High End
    Lumia 900 series - High End
  • You also shouldn't ignore the fact that other OEMs don't make any budget (Samsung, HTC e.t.c). Yes I'm well aware that Blu and others are making WP, however, they are country specific.
  • and not to mention those BLU phones are utter garbage in comparison to a lumia. I bought a BLU Win Jr LTE for $99 and the 640 from walmart at $99 smokes it in every single way imaginable (outside of that snapdragin 410, but in reality it doesn't seem to matter in the slightest).
  • That's exactly it. 635 still going strong why upgrade to 640. They should have sold the 640xl to at least vary it up a bit.
  • 1 Gb of ram, actual sensors, and a higher res screen are reason enough (for me, anyway). I had a 635 and a 640 and the 640 is so much better it's not even funny.
  • As long as the other resources' phones will still get WiFi calling, then I don't care.
  • "Status" People, Status.
  • The fact that that it was being sold online is largely to blame in my opinion. They never had one on display at any of the T-Mobile stores I frequented. On the online site you had to go through a sea of phones before you even got to the 640. Combine that with the general public's lack of knowledge/awareness of Windows Phone and bam! Recipe for disaster.
  • And that's another reason why I'm lookin to leave them and go to AT&T... First reason is that their coverage sucks
  • Coverage is why we left after 7 years, superior selection of Windows Phones on AT&T was the icing on the cake.
  • That's why I went from Verizon to AT&T, to get the 920. OF course, then AT&T never got the, there's no carrier that isn't crap on the WP front.
  • Coincidentally I just physically met a guy who walked into my job with a glossy white 640 that he got from Metro PCS for $40.
  • It's not really that surprising since most consumers apparently didn't like Windows 8/8.1 and want 10 but don't realize that the 640 will upgrade to 10. I imagine T-mobile just ran out of stock and had to make the decision, still restock a phone that people may see as outdated or let it stay out of stock and wait for new which should be announced soon. Just my guess.
  • This is probably the best answer yet. I don't know how T-Mobile and associates feel about Windows Phone. For them to stop selling them all together doesn't sound like they like the phone too much. However, that's me jumping the gun and could possibly be that they just sold out of them.
  • Most consumers don't know what Windows Phone 8 is let alone 10. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Not enterily true.  Speaking from personal experience, I had my mom ask me if I had the new Windows 10 phone.  This is a women that has no tech knowledge and though she has an iPhone 5 only knows how to dial, text and play a couple of games.  A women (ripe for Kimmle mockery) who if you showed her a Galaxy 6 phone and told her it was the new Apple phone she believe you.   Another friend,  who is somewhat more tech knowledgable, and also an iPhone user asked when new Windows 10 phones are coming out.  Even more shocking, I had somebody come up to me a month ago while I as food joint working and ask about Windows 10 on my laptop but, then noticed my Lumia Icon and asked if it was a new Windows 10 phone.   It was and I gave her run through of the device andwe  talked about it more than the Windows 10 desktop she had originally asked about (of course making sure she understood that she seeing a development version of the OS)   I think people have been getting inuadated with idea that Windows 10 will be on all devices by both the various news stories and Microsoft ads.  Will that mean stronger sales, I don't know but people (not just those that follow tech news) definately have some idea of Windows 10 Mobile more thant I ever seen in the past.
  • This pisses me off. The 3 difference tmo stores i went too never carried the phone in my city. How can tmo expect to sell the phone if no one other than WM fans know about it.
  • wow I totally predicted this, except I gave them three months, way to lower the bar tmobile! They sold the phone for a minimum of 30 bucks more than EVERYONE else, didn't advertise it or have it in stores, but OH WINDOWS PHONE SUCKS NOBODY BUYS IT! Well how the f888 can we buy it if you don't even f'ing have it! I mean, whether or not it's popular, it's still a product in their inventory, I can't imagine why they would actively try to prevent people from giving them their money, other than sheer disdain and asshole-ishness. As an avid Windows Phone user and developer I'm used to being a second-class citizen, but you don't have to also take a huge steamy shit on me everytime a new phone comes out...
  • Not to mention there are four year old+ devices still being sold as freaking REFURBISHED. What do they do? Cut the Lumia 521 REFURBISHED as well. Way to go carriers, you "won" this time.
  • @selaronmdotnet Clearly, T-Mobile did a bad job at selling/pricing this phone.  When I researched the 640, their pricing was high compared to Walmart and ATT gophone. How can T-Mobile compete when I could buy a ATT gophone on sale ($69.99 @ microsoft) and get an unlock key for $2.00. Now I can use any GSM carrier and even use in europe. As a developer, you should be building multi-device apps that will work on Windows, Android and IOS.  There is no doubt being a "second class" citizen is a pain. However, pain is the only way change is made.
  • Good idea. Build a rigged together, crummy app so you can have access to 2% of the market that only buys economy phones. Why bother? The other platforms give you powerful tools to create native apps that already access 95% of the market including the premium buyers. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Have you ever developed an android app? Their tools have been AWFUL for years. Honestly they are only now jsut becoming decent as of late. Microsoft offers some of the best dev tools on the planet.
  • Microsoft Stores need to just start bundling these things with any PC with Windows 10 overb$xx.
  • It seems the whole world is against Windows Phone/Mobile...   The 640 had a 5 star rating with 43 reviews last I checked on T-Mobile's web site.  When I tried to get one, most Wal-Marts were sold out, or had like 1 or two on hand and quickly selling.  It is the 2nd most popular Windows Phone in the US after just two months?  Maybe it wasn't selling like iPhones sell, but it must have clearly been doing well... Was the LG Optimus F3Q selling more?  It's $324 on T-Mobile, with a 3.0 rating with 30 reviews.  My general experience with low tier Android phones is that they are horrible.  I have not see or used the Optimus F3Q, but I'm going by past experiences with budget Android devices. Those of you that have used the 640 know that it is a great phone for the price.  Not flagship level, but pretty darn close... Maybe it's the end point sales people at all of the carriers.  We have all heard rumors of them actively discouraging customers who specifically asked for Windows Phones to Android or iOS.  Most of the time, WP is put in the corner of the store and is ignored by the sales associates. How much more helpful would it be if when asked: "Does WP have SnapChat?" They responded: "Not exactly, but you can use 6snap to use Snapchat on WP, here let me show you..."  Sadly that is NEVER going to happen!!! Their last hope maybe to hit the business crowd hard as the defacto replacement for BlackBerry.  Features like Continuum, and this rumored x86 Surface Phone might finally resonate with that crowd. Another option, is maybe make an Xbox Phone.  Utilize MS Game Studio's IP for it.  I am talking about a graphical powerhouse with dedicated controls that is also a phone.  Admitting though this might not work either as the casual gaming crowd is already on iOS and Android, and traditional handheld gaming is not doing to well.  Sony all but abandoned their PS Vita, and the 3DS, well it's Nintendo and they have their fans and the kid market but even that is not doing as well as it used to.  Personally I don't know how ANY would want to play a GTA game or FPS on a phone with touch controls, but I guess I am in the minority on that one. I don't know what else they can do beyond giving them away.  Buy an Xbox, get a phone! Buy office, get a phone...  It's been how many years since Windows Phone 7, and every year it's always, oh wait until next year, next version, etc...  Sadly I just don't think the world gives a rat's a** about Windows Phone.
  • I mentioned the Xbox Phone 3 years ago. Add a docking controller, etc. Problem is, the idiot board members hear great ideas from us, and strip all the greatest parts out of it then wonder what went wrong... Example? We all said to rebrand Zune to Xbox Music or Media. What did they do? Ripped everything out of it, made the most useless media player, called it Xbox Music and Video.....and then wondered what the hell happened.
  • You know you cant mention Zune here as you'll be accused of crying.....
  • Zune HD had force touch on it. The problem with Zune was Microsoft couldnt advertise it because of the stupid monoply rules they were under. But it was way better than the iProducts of the day. It even had music subscription services... Zune was too good for people during its time. It was too early. Sad really.
  • Lol seriously. They started from the ground up and didn't even copy it, they just started over and made it worse. I'm ok with it currently, but I would LOVE if they made it work as well as Zune did. Or at least make it LOOK like Zune did.
  • Well said. I agree with the fact that the phone is one of the few that had/has mostly great reviews on Walmart's website. There have always been limited quantities though.
  • Many tweets were sent to people like Joe Belfiore, Greg Sullivan, Don Mattrick, and other WP execs back in the day suggesting all these things, they were all ignored and day after day we heard tales of WP basically being harder to buy than finding a spare ice cream cone in the desert. Microsoft did not care about WP for years and they are now reaping the fruit of that. Plain and simple.
  • Just to clarify, you can no longer use 6snap for Snapchat.    Snapchat banned all third party apps using their API, due to a security leak, including 6Snap on Windows phone.
  • Wow. I can't say that I saw this coming. I'm disappointed, but HeyCori upthread has a great point. Not only was a release date in the air for a while, it was also not at any T-mobile store physically. 2 months is seriously pathetic.
  • Why would I buy from tmob if I have to pay 50% more than from WalMart? I love my 640 and WP, don't care about market share. Also, I bought the MS flip cover for $20, love it, makes the 640 feel like a flagship to me...
  • As soon as I received my T-Mo 640 for a backup phone I immediately flashed the LTA CV firmware. I am always skeptical of T-Mo support. They have done well with my nieces’ 521s though the updates usually come quite late.
  • I'm puzzled. I thought this phone selling excpetionally well. Isn't it already one of the most used Windows Devices on the market?
  • I kind of regret jumping to T-Mobile because of this. I bought the Wal Mart 435.   The suck is real.
  • This should be some kind of breach of contract.
  • The only company in america that doesnt at least market 1 windows phone, and actually push it or advertise it, seriously i love windows and if i knew they had it i would have bought at least 2 of them.  they are extremely horrible when it comes to windows sales, they know next to nothing about windows and if someone shows and interest in the little model they have in the store they steer you away from it into samsung or apple product. They push their employees to do it because the other products make more money in the long run and microsoft cant do anything about it if they dont want to pick up their product.  id rather it be like in parts of the other world where you can just buy your own phone and go to which ever company suits your needs the best at the time, its better in the long run for consumers instead of the company.  i dont think it will change anytime soon though. 
  • Just like what happened with the HTC One M8 for Windows
  • I think Microsoft have given up on the carriers. Or they have given up on Microsoft. Big box and online retailers only from here on.
  • Yeah, just that is not how you sell flagships in the US. They need carrier support if they want to push their new phones. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That's ridiculous.......I was just about to get this phone on Tmo as well I just looked at it the other day. I understand there are other sources, but seriously what's the deal Tmo, they've done this repeatably....
  • Love TMO service, hate TMO attitude towards WP. I bought my 640 at Wal-Mart, and I'm an Insider; this affects me absolutely zero, but still irritates me almost as much as my $500 L925 depreciating faster than Ross Perot's election potential. I'll stay a TMO customer, but I'll never buy hardware from them again.
  • @zhris, did you buy your 640 from walmart and then unlock it? 
  • WalMart sells the phone and the service for T-Mobile. It's a T-Mobile phone so there's no need to unlock it.
  • I would vote for Ross Perot without hesitation if he ran. 
  • Also looks like they removed the pre-owned lumia 521 as well.....and now only lumia 635 is available....which is wierd. Why would they cut the 2 other phones, and keep the 635?
  • I seriously don't like T-Mobile but I have to leave At&t for awhile the plans suck I'm sure I'll be back though
  • Look at one of ATTs MVNOS, like Cricket.  Same ATT coverage, less expensive than T-Mobile.
  • Better yet. Use MetroPCS. T-Mobile service with a lower bill.
  • T-Mobile service is worse than ATT service, by a long shot. and Cricket is cheaper than even MetroPCS.  Why use a T-Mobile service only to get less for paying more?
  • I hope the launch the surface phone or something like it. Cuz they are being selling the surface very well and they should take advantage of that using same design or name. I've being using WP since day 1 using the htc hd2 (best smarphone on earth) and to tell the truth im not to exited with the next microsoft flagship phones and if they are going to follow the same line of design i dont see a future for WM. They seems not to notice that people like metal colors and dark colors with brushes edges, somehing that looks it being crafted with dedication, not something that looks its being in some chinese shelf wating for a buyer.
  • For MS to have ANY chance in the future, they HAVE to, I repeat HAVE to sell the 950/950XL and or Surface Phone as unlocked devices at reasonable prices.  If those phones have any carrier exclusivity, then it's game over.  NO casual customer is going to switch carriers to get a phone.  This isn't the iPhone back in 2007!  Carrier exclusivity kills platforms... The most recent, the Fire Phone.  Yeah who in their right mind is going to buy a $600 phone, that is locked to ATT, just because it's an Amazon phone?  Oh and it doesn't have any of the Google Apps that make Android what it is? Another example: Remember the Palm One?  At the time it was a brilliant OS.  Lightyears ahead of Android back then, and even iOS!  But NO ONE was going to switch to Sprint to try it... You know why the Samsung Galaxy is so popular? Because it was available on every carrier! T-Mobile dropping the 640 sucks, but its not like the other carriers do WP any favors either.  The only phone that was sorta promoted was the 1020 for a short time at my local ATT store, but as soon as the next iPhone came out, it was plastered on all the windows and inside.  Verizon?  Yeah how well did they support the Icon?  The last flagship that oh yeah neither ATT or T-Mobile or anyone else got!!! I heard Elop was responsible for this strategy, maybe now that he is gone, they can just sell them through MS direct.  And promot the hell out of Continuum! Set up kiosks at BestBuy, Malls whatever... Hey can your phone run Photoshop?  Can your phone become a PC?  It's the only play they have left...  
  • GMS is so different, so closed and proprietary and restrictive, from AOSP they really shouldn't share the name Android.  Google should have to rename GMS.
  • I think they are moving that direction. Selling the phones unlocked with all bands to give us the ability to bypass carriers. Thurrott mentioned them doing this during the what the tech podcast this see. Maybe part of this is pushback from T-Mobile because of that.
  • Nandela doing his best to kill Windows phones.
  • I have no idea what this response has to do with T-Mobile removing the Lumia 640 from their website.
  • Agree with final. What the heck are you talking about?
  • It's unfortunate as it's a good budget phone. Personally I like Windows Phone O/S and can't fault my Lumia (735)
  • If you want to maintain a product offering that spans the low to high end spectrum, they all need to be released and kept current at the same time. New low end phones and 2 year old high end phones won't cut it.
  • amazing phone.  needed exposure.  doing my part around town full if phones and galaxys
  • Business are business
  • Why are US still prisoners of carriers? Even here in Brazil that changed a long time ago. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Good question!
  • Same freedom here in Denmark. US tech freaks should be rioting carriers demanding a free consumers market
  • Because we are prinsoners of our wants. Carriers are king when you need a phone now so you buy a $600 phone for $100 dollars and then they make up that profit over the course of 2 years. The borrower is slave to the lender. AKA, Carriers to US Consumers.
  • As long as US carriers give people $700 dollar phones for no money down, people will keep buying from them. You can buy unlocked phones in the US as well, but people would rather not pay up front for their phone. 
  • Living in America, I can say that most American consumers are sheep in that they have a herd mentality and are easily led by popular consensus (be it ill informed). Most, but not all.
  • Another plastic down the recycling bin.
  • Not T-Mobile but I bought a AT&T 640 a few weeks ago at a Microsoft Store.  Totally satisfied with it.  My kids (all iPhone) saw it and they were impressed.  They would have said otherwise.  I don't have the answer to the WP problem(s), but wish the tide would change in their favor.  Maybe WP10? Maybe Universal apps?  Maybe Continuum?  Maybe making carriers more aware of WP?  Lots of maybes........  
  • High end exciting devices speak volumes
  • I might as well just get the AT&T one then, don't really need their stupid cellular network anyway...I have a phone to make calls with, you've really helped me out! =)
  • Microsoft needs to start producing higher end phones,to compete. I have the Nokia Lumia 1520,still the best windows phone to date,and it's obsolete!
  • HTC m8 for windows is good as well the camera stinks but other than that its good
  • The 1520 is too big for most people, and the touch screen problems ruin it. 
  • The 640 was released just as the news was flooded with Microsoft giving up on phones stories.
  • Too bad because it's a really decent phone.  My wife's Lumia 925 was stolen out of our car but we were able to find a 640 for $99 at Wal-Mart.  Maybe if T-mo sold it in stores and at the same price as Wal-Mart they'd sell more.  I think I'll be buying my phones unlocked online from now on anyway.  
  • Windows phone can never catch a break
  • Oh well it's tmobile. The 640 is going to be most popular on Prepay networks. It will be on Gophone and Cricket untill this time next year
    Tmobile prepay is almost nonexistent. Also At&t people will buy it to replace lost or damaged postpay phones. I messed around with the 640 XL at at&t recently. That phone ran SMOOTH. Better than the 830 which i thought was a little touch unresponsive. Anywho.....screw T-Mobile.
  • Wow, two months... Sad for the people who were saving up to get one. Never heard of such a thing as giving a product just two months. The product can't even get known by their customers in that time.
  • One of the best selling Lumia's in the US. Clearly not very many.
  • I'm not an expert but I love my windows phone, but the app game has to be a lot better.
  • I am very close to abandoning TMobile for our company. We are up a creek at this point as we just moved ot TMobile and bought every employee a Lumia 640. I cannot provision more 640's now and were having lots of issues with the ones that we have out there. I am wondering if they killed off the 640 because there are issues with the device on TMobiles network rather than slow sales. They have plenty of phones for sale that have to be selling less than the 640, hell there was an article the other day about how well 640 sales are doing.
  • All the carriers suck in phone support
  • Damn US such low prices!
  • Whatever... I wish carriers did not have any control on devices the consumer could use. Look at windows phone market share in other countries besides US where the consumer buys what they want instead of being told what to buy. Windows does a lot better. Oh well...
  • Not suprise.  A typical dick move by T-Mobile.  They did the same thing with Nokia 810.
  • (This was in reply to someone above but I accidentally canceled it and don't feel like finding that post again) Those of us that are the loyal ones... (lots of people say...OMG it looks like THAT?! iPhone 6S, here I come! To which I say, well what kept you from jumping on the iPhone 6 then?) WP continue to find reasons to stay with Windows phone. I also don't care about market share but I do understand that me using the phone contributes to the numbers somewhat.
    I don't get why people love Android or iOS over Windows phones. I've used them on a daily basis for years and still can't find anything that those OSs do any better than my phone does, and I've installed Snapchat on my work phone.
    I like the keyboard better than Android. It's more accurate. I've factory reset and not signed in and the WP keyboard still predicts faster and more accurately.
    The camera is better in MOST situations. The S6 is faster shot to shot, but the resulting images are more clear, and more detailed, especially in low light on my Icon. My friends with iPhone and Android(Droid Turbo, Samsung) ask, why are you even bothering to try to take that, and then are amazed.
    Integration with my desktop and Xbox are second to none, but there are apps for allowing your iPhone or Android to work with those so that's not exactly a selling point.
    I don't even know where I was going with this. Basically, Strat string, do what you like and don't let others influence you. If it works for you, keep using it until it doesn't.
  • It's not about the OS, in the smartphone world it's about the app store, and WP app store is lacking BIG TIME. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Well if it wasn't doing the numbers t mobile wanted out it goes. Hope they have the w10 mobiles though!
  • But the 640 got announced months ago and they started selling two months ago. What does that tell you? They don't really give two hoots and most of the US carriers don't either it seems. Microsoft would be better of selling unlocked devices only. This is where a partner centric focus falls flat on its face. So sell unlocked in the US only and focus on markets that they are doing really well in.
  • Agreed. I personally buy all my devices sim free, carrier unlocked and offline. It's more expensive up front but I prefer to be able to change Sims without restriction. But then it does cost more and I can see how people would rather rely on subsides, leaving the consumer tied to the whims of a mercurial carrier who may or may not give a hoot about the product. That said, wp sells low enough that not caring may be financially justified, especially in parts of the first world. Money talks. I don't know. This all just seems misguided. I hope MSFT have s better plan for the next iteration of their mobile os, and better carrier support and/or a means of delivery.
  • Tmobile is selling the phone for $30 more than WalMart. I like Tmobile but for $30 less WalMart is my new sweetheart.
  • That is for the AT&T version.
  • The T-Mobile 640 in Walmart is going for 99 which rounded up obviously when you include taxes to 108 dollars while the T-Mobile variant sold in stores and online sell 30 dollars more Posted via the Windows Central App on my Lumia 640 or using the Android Version which is free*
  • Nope. ATT version is $80
  • Omg. I was just looking on T-Mobile's website yesterday for this phone while price shopping for daughter and couldn't find it. What a shame T-Mobile's putting the plug on it.
  • Why do they even bother with Windows Phone if they have no plans to support them? Same for Verizon and the Icon. Either sell it and support it for the lifetime of the phone, or don't pick it up in the first place. But this way you create orphans and people get screwed.
  • People need to stop buying subsidised, I know it's easier said then done but as long people buy subsidised Carriers can do pretty much what they want. Every where else people buy unlocked and here carriers know if they don't maintain a good standard people will just go elsewhere. Furthermore pretty much all countries don't have to deal with this CDMA and GSM malarkey.
  • I don't think we should be worried about big carries stocking wph phones I have l1520 l640xl and a nexus 6 with android m using Microsoft services on cricket I love my Lumia phones I buy them out right plus expansys has great geals on b stock Lumia's waiting on the new Lumia's and the surface phone if it's made.
  • I found this image to reflect my thoughts on this perfectly...with apologies.
  • The poor 640 just can't catch a break. Even Walmart's online listing claims the phone is "Disturbed."  
  • After all this I still wonder why on earth people buy carrier locked phones? Buy unlocked! You guys in the US need to stand for your consumer rights, you're getting ripped off left, right and center....
  • Americans buy carrier phones because they get them up front. Most people don't even care about all the things being complained about here. 
  • Wi-Fi calling is available only on T-Mobile phone. So need to buy locked for now
  • Being a T-Mobile user I'm holding out hope that the latest Windows phones get some love. I'd purchase the 950XL, but I have an inkling I'll be played, as previous WP phones have never hit the carrier. If not, this could be the straw that breaks the camels back. Sigh. There is always the unlocked versions, but lets be honest MS is about to price these out the park. If they aren't, well that'll be a great day.
  • So what does that mean for the Windows 10 update. Will T-Mobile be pushing the update. Posted via the Windows Central App on my Lumia 640 or using the Android Version which is free*
  • T-Mobile sold them for $130 and the few stores I went to in Chicago didn't carry them in stock. Since they were $99 at WalMart I'm not sure what we lost here
  • The reason is, no one is buying WP's, who in their right mind would buy this mobile operating system that lacks all the essential apps that people use on a daily basis, without an app store you are pretty much done, and no we are not taking about half baked apps "hacks" that Microsoft is trying to sell to it's masses, yes Bing is also a joke as is Here maps. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Exactly which apps are missing?
  • Look at this from a different view: if 100 people walk into a TMo or any carrier store, 97 of the 100 are walking out with an iPhone or an Android device. Do you really think that the store reps are making that much of a difference? Sorry, I don't. It's that Microsoft has done a crap job of creating demand, giving people ANY reason to walk into those stores and ask for a Windows phone. I have a 640 that I'm playing with, and it's one of the few phones that support TMo's LTE band 12 and has wifi calling. Killer deal for $100. But as long as I continue to see Microsoft offer more and better apps for other platforms and no reason to get a Win phone (start with no Google apps), it has no chance in the US of any success. Perhaps in developing countries, some niche in the corporate market, but not a mass-market, consumer device. And corporate IT has been consumerized: the users demand an iPhone or a Samsung device, and they have no choice but to comply. That's the Blackberry story, too. You can't blame TMO, Verizon, or any of the carriers, or Best Buy, etc. They just respond to the demand.
  • WIndows Mobile 10 (W10M) is coming soon. Microsoft is developing for the current iOS and Andriod market AND FOR W10M. These better Microsoft apps will be available to users with phones running W10M. This will be after W10M is released. AVERAGE USERS will get W10M by puchasing a new ohine or by carriers pushing the update. It looks like W10M is going to be released in eaarly to mid October, 30 to 45 days from now. Any 640s sold in this time frame may be stuck on WP8.1. That will look terrible.
  • T-Mobile never really supported this phone they didn't even carry it in the store. I gotta tell you I am worried about T-Mobile......i really hope the new window phone 10 devices come to T-Mobile if not I will buy the at&t version and have it unlocked I'm not waiting on T-Mobile......just saying
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  • Personally... I do not think MS cares much about the deletion of the 640 @tmo. The rep from tmo stated that they don't have enough quantities to sell online and MS wouldn't be selling them any more...probably to make way for their own launch of the 950/XL. MS has made some positive changes since ELOP departed... We never heard of these phones and now Suddenly. MS is feelin Surface Phone...i think MS is on the track to make W10 as big as possible..while minimizing w8 failures although it was a polished OS. The deletion of the 640 is of little consequence since you can get it in WalMart. And quite possibly MS is testing availability In other outlets to see how they can circumvent the carriers.... I dont think this upset MS too much
  • Why blame T-Mobile and 640? It's a business decision for T-Mobile and L640 is a victim of poor windows ecosystem and piss poor Microsoft marketing research and product development. I mean you go online or to carrier store right now, what motivates you to buy a windows phone? Nadella, if he has kids should be asking them if he wants to grow market share. They are the future users.
  • Smart move not offering it on their web site. I mean why would almost anyone buy a phone on-line unseen first hand and unheld and wait for it to be delivered when there are WalMarts everywhere.
  • Well, ANOTHER phone that was EOL'd on T-Horrible prematurely. I can't wait for those who have the 640 on T-Horrible to realize that they WON'T be getting any O/S or firmware updates and be left for dead. Unless they sign up for WP insider. So this is anoher reason to quit buying subsisides phones from carriers. I just wish MS would just sell unbranded unlocked phones from the get-go either on their website or at their stores. I'm getting due to replace my Lumia 810, and the Cityman and Talkman look intriguing, but the rumors of a "Surface" phone have really caught my attention. I'm really hoping that the "Surface" phone will just be sold by MS, bypassing the carriers, like the Surface PC/Tablets.
  • What makes them T-Horrible for you? This is a disappointment, but I don't understand why you say that.
  • Its a foolish decision to market phones under microsoft brandwagon instead of nokia. Nokia had created a brand image for product quality and innovation. Since the introduction of microsoft mobiles, hundreds of models have introduced across the globe but not a single has sustained in the market. The reason contributing to this is the irrelevant model numbers that confuse the buyers. Microsoft has to decide on what is the relevance of rhe phone features to model name. Please learn from Samsung or apple....
  • What does that have to do with T-mobile's decision? I'm missing the relevance here.
  • Carriers are the scourge. It is a typical self-fulfilling prophecy. "We told you it wouldn't sell." "See, we were right."    
  • John Calliham, can you find some good news about the platform or is this death by a thousand cuts your thing?
  • My guess is this is preparation from Microsoft for whatever direct upgrades for the low end or business segment that are to be released with cityman and talkman phones
  • Therre is no reson that Lumia 640/640XL can not be re-released as "Lumia 640/640XL with W10M" This could be a MID-RANGE companion to the FLAGSHIP CityMan TalkMan Phones.
  • What is going, the waves are getting increasingly choppy out here.
  • Read the updated story. TMO ran out of stock and MS is not able to supply additional units! So once again, you guys read too much into little things including standard customer service replies.
  • It took them half a year after the announcement to finally make the phone available anyway. Who cares. There's always eBay and other places to get the 640.
  • I was in Fry's Electronics a couple of weeks ago and they had the TMo 640 on the shelf for $79, everyday price if you're looking for one.
  • You have to assume Microsoft is clearing the decks for windows 10 mobile
  • The whole US concept of having to use certain operators to buy certain phones and vica versa is so dumb. I really hope, for your sake, that I have misunderstood how this is actually working, and that you can choose a phone regardless of the operator you wish to use.
  • Microsoft must get better at making announcements and getting products out faster than talking and delivering years later
  • microsoft smart phones folks through it''s Windoes 10 mobile OS is going to create the Micro mini PC/Smartphone hybrid. something that has never been done before. The Windows Mobile 10 OS will make  windows smart phones the most  powerful on Earth. alas however  people are creatures of habit and rarly change their ways or what they use. Microsoft's real strenth in the Mobile world is PC Tablets not general tablets like the Android and Apple Tablets are. Microsoftshould concentrate in PC Tablets and make a PC Tablet that sells for inder 400 usa dollars to gain more mobile market share.         pc                          
  • It has been done before. See the Motorola phones a few years ago. They even had a laptop dock for it. This is also something you can do with Android already. Bluetooth keyboards and mice are supported as are wired or wireless displays. All the Microsoft apps are available and Android will scale with device size. No one does this because it is pointless. PCs are dirt cheap and the cloud makes your data ubiquitous. It will not change Microsoft's standing in mobile. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • T-Mobile (US) following the same process as T-Mobile (UK) when it comes to ditching phones on the sly...
  • ATT has always locked up Windows phones in exclusivity contracts, so the other carriers have had to get Nokia to design exclusive high end phones ie. ICON for Verizon or settle for lesser spec phones ie. everthing T-Mobile has offered other than the Lumia 925. Windows phone hasn't taken off because unless you're a ATT customer you havent had accces to the entire range of phones thereby limiting you potential customer base. You can blame Nokia for this and they had to do what they could to survive. After the Nokia buy out by MS, CEO Balmer tried to overwhelm the market with low spec phones which increased market share and destoyed their bottom line. I think this is just T-mobile getting rid of their remaining stock in anticipation for the Cityman/Talkman release and you can still get the 640 from their MetroPCS division. MS dosent care about exclusivity already stating that if the carriers dont want to carry our phones we'll sell them directly so I have a feeling these new phones will show up on all carriers.
  • All 4 carriers have the flagship HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola phones without exclusives because they are successful enough. Windows Phone cannot do that because no one bought them. Microsoft has to sign exclusivity agreements because it is their only choice. Until they have at least one successful high end phone, they will not be able to get that status. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Maybe there's a Windows 10 version of the 640 in the works.  Any year now would be great.
  • 640 is getting Windows 10 and is the first phones to do so
  • The reason carriers don't sell windows phone is because they cant sell them the workers are very biased and don't know anything, it's not Microsoft fault its these carriers and plus Microsoft are not giving phones out they are getting rid of stock before windows 10 mobile arrives
  •   I still don't get the logic. If Microsoft can't get people to buy an inexpensive but good phone like the 640 why do people here keep thinking high end phones are suddenly going to be the savior of windows phone?  I just have this feeling this time next year we will be talking about new Microsoft phones running a Tile launcher on Android.   
  •'s sold out?
  • It's probably simple ... Microsoft may not have any more to sell them as they are gearing up to windows 10 launch
  • I wonder if it has anything to do with the COMPLETE lack of commercials on Microsoft's part. I mean can consumers buy something if they don't even know it exists? Can't wait to drop this Icon for an android that actually has support from manufacturers, service providers, and developers.
  • I bet you the Microsoft stores never carried them either...
  • T-Mobil knows nothing about Windows Phones. They dropped the Lumia 810 just like this 640. They chase sales leaders not technology. They need to get out of the hardware business and deal just with Carrier Data and Cellular Voice plans.
  • LUMIA 640. 1G ram smartphone only for $80.  you can play almost everything.  and 5inch HD screen. 
  • Doesn't t-mobile sell these for more than they do at AT&T? Its a wonder people don't get them from tmo
  • T-Mobile did the same thing with the 810. Then they stop supporting the phone. After paying a small fortune for the 810 for an additional 150.00 customers could upgrade to a 925 (?). So kind of T-Mobile to once again dis their customers.
  • All you said like phone is very excellentphone. but one thing that the touched screen of nokia - microsoft lumia phone is not very good. sometimes even you have to need to touch 3 times just can success. so iritating people.even if the phone is better than others but touched screen problem is not improved properly,even worst than sumsang/iphone/ asus zenfone..... and so on.useless touched sensor... dissappointed..! i am not saying all new handset lumia have such problem ,but mostly it has such touched problem , lumia need to learn touched from others like sumsang ,asus or iphone. improved it first. dont come out new model again. because it will only spoil the reputation of window 10.....11. 12... only..... frustrated....!:(. also look at
  • Such a shame. The 640 is absolutely fantastic for its price. I wonder if the 640 was cannibalizing T-Mobile's sales of other devices that cost more and weren't as good.
  • Isn't it possible to make Windows owned apps / games to be free on Windows Phones for a market strategy? Also, people here are disappointed with no Clash of Clans download for WP.