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Travelling with Continuum: A verdict, and what I want next

That's the top line verdict from my own little experiment heading on an international trip and seeing how far you can get with your phone and a few accessories.

When you're away from the office, Continuum gives you a surprisingly good experience. That experience will still depend on what it is you want to get done, but assuming you're not getting too heavy you should be able to get by pretty well.

While travelling, I had both good and bad experiences, all down to the fact I wanted to see if I could pack a USB-C hub and utilise the televisions in the hotel rooms I was staying in. In one, no problem; in the other, no way.

NexDock

That's where the experience will always fall down if you ever plan to travel a lot and use continuum. A solution like Acer's Extend, the NexDock, or HP's suite of accessories for the Elite X3 will be the way to go.

At that point, though, you have to ask yourself where you benefit over just taking your laptop with you. If you have something small, like my Dell XPS 13 (opens in new tab), the question becomes tougher still because you're not travelling any lighter. That said, if you only use a desktop PC or some large, gaming notebook, it perhaps makes more sense.

What'd be the ideal outcome is if Continuum develops to such a level where you might not need to have a laptop at all. Packages like the Elite X3 are certainly geared towards this, but there's still work to be done on the software I think before that can become a reality. But I do think there could be a time where I could leave a full laptop at home.

HP Elite X3

So, what do I want to see next? The biggest thing I want right now from Continuum is being able to use more than one app on the screen at a time. I'm probably not alone there, either. Universal apps are fantastic, but there's never a situation where I just want to focus on one at once. An example: When I'm filling out expenses spreadsheets, I don't just want to see Excel. I need to see OneDrive where I record receipts, or my inbox. Just even being able to snap two apps would be a huge improvement. I'm sure it'll come eventually, and it'll make a big improvement.

I'd also like to see more hardware accessories, such as the 'dumb' laptop docks like NexDock. A Surface without the internal hardware, perhaps? Microsoft's partners getting involved and pumping out versions of their laptops without the computer hardware. It couldn't hurt to have more choices available.

But there's a lot of promise and I can particularly see how enterprise customers could go down this route. In my past life I carried a Lenovo ThinkPad and a phone and all I ever really used the laptop for was Excel, Word, looking at PDFs and using Outlook. A Continuum based solution for such a purpose would be much more cost effective.

If you've got your own Continuum experiences be sure to share them with us in the comments below!

Richard Devine is an Editor at Windows Central. A former Project Manager and long-term tech addict, he joined Mobile Nations in 2011 and has been found on Android Central and iMore as well as Windows Central. Currently you'll find him covering all manner of PC hardware and gaming, and you can follow him on Twitter and Instagram.

136 Comments
  • I could do so much more with Continuum if Edge were faster. I think ad block would make a huge difference. Glad to see someone else enjoying it. I'm traveling right now with my dock, & equipped with Remote Desktop, its a really neat tool.
  • If you get a compatible ethernet adapter, perhaps it will speed up edge overall. And yes, if the extensions DO come to mobile edge...all the better.
  • The problem also is that Edge tend to have memory leak issues on some sites and may crash, though this actually happens on the PC more often in my case. Stability and reliability are the biggest issues on Edge at the moment. Sent from Turing Machine
  • Nausky I didn't see your original comment before I posted mine. So you can run remote desktop on Continuum/W10M? I didn't know that was possible. Wow. How do you find the experience? Can you control all programs on your home PC via Continuum?
  • RDP works particularly well through Continuum. :-) Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10
  • Yes you can use remote desktop. And if you know teamviewer that one is available too as a universal app and can be used as on the desktop with exactly the same experience. It is great :). And of course as it is with these programs, you can run all the software installed on you desktop on it with no limitations.
  • Wow this is amazing. I'm now seriously considering the new HP Elite X3. So, if I get that device with the "Laptop" extender, I can in theory, be sat on my sofa with the laptop "extender" on my lap while remotely connected to my personal desktop PC in the office via remote app & continuun and use all my full programs such as Notepad++ and File Explorer. I know that would mean leaving my PC switched on but its totally worth it for such awesomeness.
  • Yep
  • Note that the version of RDP that supports Continuum is in preview and only runs on insider builds at the moment. Clearly this will be mainstream soon (Redstone?). Just don't be dissapointed if you go to the store and get the stock RDP app and find it doesn't work with Continuum.
  • That's not true. The remote desktop preview works also on .318 version on my phone (non insider). MB
  • You are right. I went to the store to see if I could get it for my production 950, and searched for Remote Desktop. the preview didn't show up. Added 'Preview' to the search and there it was. Nice. it does work quite well. I have even started up an Azure VM and loaded Office onto that VM all from my 950XL.    
  • Tried it a few times here and it was very usable.  Just purchased a BT folding keyboard to try and use it for real on a trip.
  • Intel's cancellation of Broxton having any impact on 'vision' ?
  • No, but Wanda Maximoff certainly did have.
  • Seems that Intel thingy is still don't ask don't tell at Windows Central..
  • Yep. Not sure who is making the editorial call...but it is CRAZY for a Windows tech website to ignore that news.
    They should stop churning out the irrelevant news, and instead give some insight into what the future holds for Intel
  • Sometimes they know stuff under NDA and can't just play the guessing, rumor, panic game.
  • You are saying that Windows Central is not journalistic blog / news outlet but contract PR bureau for MS? It would explain selective editorial policy yes. Lets add that fe Jason Ward has stated that no material compensation of any sorts been received from Redmond. Intel-gate is strange though.
  • No. You are saying that. I'm suggesting that they aren't in the business of gossiping about what might be. If their sources have them under NDA for something, I'd rather they wait and give the real scoop.
  • You can be a journalistic blog/news outlet and still get information under NDA. If you know something under NDA it is dangerous to promulgate rumors around that same subject. It would be silly to repeat what you know is false, and a violation of the NDA to confirm what is true. It's a tightrope for sites with a good relationship with MS.
  • How can one be journalist and under NDA? Embargo is normal but NDA? Does not compute..
  • I hope that Msft could one day make the display dock have a projector built-in. That way, it makes the requirement of having a separate screen optional. Just project Continuum mode on a wall or something. Also, maybe have the projector project both the screen and a keyboard at the same time, removing the need for a user to bring their keyboard along just for the sake of Continuum. Another feature, make the top-part of the display dock as a track pad when in Continuum mode maybe? By having these features, all a Continuum-ready phone user needs to pack for travelling are just their phone, the display dock, the cables, and their phone charger. Portable, compact, all in one light package. Just my opinion though.
  • That'd be ridiculously expensive to pull off, especially to make it seamless and if decent quality. It's certainly possible but I have no doubt the dock would cost $400 with all those features added. Windows Central for Windows 10-Microsoft Lumia 640
  • Why not build a Keyboard that is/includes continuum. So, you bring your phone, the keyboard, and a few cables. I like the NeoDock idea. It would be nice if that were a little more polished. The thing is... cables.
  • I really like your idea. A foldable keyboard with continuum capability would be next to nothing to carry. Bluetooth to the phone and Miracast to the hotel room TV or office center monitor and off to work you go.
  • There already exists a foldable keyboard with full windows. MS is working on an e-ink cover for the lumia which can be turned into a keyboard and touch pad.
  • I've seen keyboards with USB hubs built in. Adding Continuum version would be a no brainer.
  • Just plug the dock into a pico projector. Some of them are really small now and are even rechargeable with micro USB so don't need a separate power brick. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Has anybody tried magnification glasses on a 1080p 6inch smartphone? E.g 2x magnified? Would the user perceive a 12inch screen and therefore be more productive?
  • Why not build projector into the lumia phone? Avoid the need to carry two devices
  • Love the idea of using a pico-projector with Continuum at least. I believe I've even seen them with Miracast support. That could certainly work around the need to find an available monitor.
  • Continuum's really great and mind blowing. Nowadays I just carry my phone and a miracast receiver around and the work can be done wherever I get a TV.
  • And a keyboard...and a mouse...
    Add the weight of all those things together, and you may as well have just got a Surface 3
  • agreed tablet or a ultarbook is 100% better solution
  • For you. Not for me.
  • You know that the phone can be used as a touchpad and keyboard, right?
  • Which is terribly inefficent for actual work.
  • Com'on it ain't that bad. Is it a lesser experience to using a mouse and keyboard? Yes, but can you still get s*** done on the fly, using a larger display, and more fleshed out versions of your apps? Oh yes! I don't do a lot of work from home, but I use continuum religiously while sitting in my lazyboy at night, casting youtube videos to my TV, checking email, facebook, tinder, playing music, just goofing around. I've heard people say it is a solution to a problem no one was having, but after using it so many times, it is just too freakin cool to not use! Kinda the space the earliest iPhones held when they came out. No one thought that would be a practical device. It was a solution to a problem no one had.....
  • Good luck with that ;)
  • Without the possibility to leave behind whatever you do not want to take with you and as a solid device with a bigger size. This means you need a bag with that size and room within it. A surface is a nice device, but the flexibility is smaller in aspects of form factor. And you can not use it as a phone neighter... If you need to carry around a surface and a phone it looks differently again, especially if you have a foldable keyboard... Continuum is a very nice and great concept, which is especially nice for presentations just because everybody has seen tablets today, but a phone with these possibilities is new and cooler.
  • Microsoft's folding keyboard, Arc mouse, still smaller than the smallest Surface.
  • Surface 3 has a price point gap compared to buying a keyboard. Having the phone power the experience also keeps you with just a phone data plan. You have one license of software, like Office to deal with. You're not as reliant on the cloud to work. You can keep your most important stuff on one device. My offline Groove is there with no need to wait for another device to synch and download.
  • Not only that, but it would also be considerably better for your eyes than using a TV as a monitor.
  • I am surprised that no one has mentioned that you can actually use voice dictation on a mobile phone to get enter text into Word. I do not have Continuum on my phone, does anyone know if this works when using Continuum connected to a screen? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Touch and pen input on remote screen should be added
  • Touch is, in the latest builds. Haven't tried pen, but there aren't many (any?) UWP phone apps that support pen at this point, so it is hard to tell.
  • Touch said to be supported in the near future, though there's no news about Pen support unfortunately. I hope they just implement it altogether while at it. Sent from Turing Machine
  • One question, don't you have carry a keyboard and mouse and some cables or at the very least a keyboard? Sorry that does not sound all that practical to me....
  • I always travel with a mouse. And something like Microsoft's folding keyboard takes up no room
  • No. All you need is your phone and a way to connect to an external display at minimum. You could have a Lumia 950 and a $50 wireless display adapter. A stationary Continuum setup, like at my office, could consist of a monitor, keyboard, mouse and dock and you would just plug your phone to the dock when needed. You don't have to carry anything but your phone and a way to connect. If the place has a wired or wireless connection already, all you NEED is your phone. The Continuum app on the phone has a built in trackpad for the mouse and the touch keyboard for the keyboard so you factually don't "need" to carry those items, regardless of what some say. The amount of hardware you carry is up to you. For travel, I just take my usb flash drive sized wireless display adapter, plug it in to any HDMI display and there is my desktop environment.
  • Gaems lime of portable monitors could be a nice addition for this
  • Most people carry a laptop and a mouse, Continuum has an edge, only thing is to have some innovative brilliance which would combine all of them a Hologram generator.. may be...
  • Actually, no, you don't 'have' to. The phone can be used as a touch pad controlling the cursor on the screen, and will display a keyboard when that is needed. So you are still using the small phone UI, but get to see stuff on the larger display. The display can be accessed wirelessly, though that requires it to support Miracast in some form. So, with no wires at all, I can connect to my Miracast capable TV, and use the phone screen to drive. That's not how I prefer to use the capability, but it works.
  • For international travel, you could consider taking a HD pico projector, like Sony MPCL1, with you.  Where TV or monitor is not available, Sony MPCL1 comes handy.  For the size and weight of a L1520, you got yourself a mobile projector.  You do need a Display Dock to work well though.
  • With the pico projector, you could get away with just a USB-C to HDMI cable/dongle. Keyboard and mouse, if you chose, can be BT. With all that you are going to want to power the phone, so might be back at a dock. Doesn't have to be MSs though. Soon someone will make a USB-C to HDMI with USB-C power input that is pretty compact. Continuum on Windows Mobile isn't the only use for such a thing.
  • this will probably become the norm for most people some day, and you could always argue for the full fledged solution with dedicated hardware for every task, but then you realize you're the minority and it doesn't matter
  • I tried continuum at work a few weeks back to see what kind of experience I would get and I also took it on a trip and tried it out in the hotel room. I had mixed feelings about it. In many ways I was impressed. The office apps are well done and provided a good experience. I spent quite a bit of time in PowerPoint going through a presentation I had to deliver. It seems really slick for PowerPoint. My biggest complaint there was that I was tethered to the dock. It would be an awesome experience if I was free to roam with the phone. The phone let me change slides and see my notes, but being tethered sucks. I'm shocked that the dock Microsoft made does not have built-in Miracast functionality or some other WiFi/Bluetooth capability. As I said, I had mixed feelings. I was impressed with what it could do, but I didn't feel compelled to use it. It's not currently easier than (or beneficial over) using a small laptop. It is a young platform that is intriguing, but has a ways to go before it is compelling.
  • I actually tried it out connecting wirelessly to my smart TV and it worked pretty well of course the TV has to support it.
  • I think that's a good idea for the next version and at the same time I can see some redundancy/logistical issues right now...  You can just use miracast, assuming the tv/monitor has it built in, without having the dock for continuum. Or you can just get a portable miracast adaptor in the cases when you want to present with the phone and the tv/monitor doesn't have it built in. I do think it's becoming more of a trend that more modern monitors/tv will have it built in already, so it could eventually be redundant to have your phone which already has miracast built in to have a dock that would also include built in miracast ability.  However, miracast isn't perfect yet and there could be some lag depending on what you're doing/quality of the miracast hardware (doing a powerpoint presentatin shouldn't be an issue over miracast), which is why they have a wired dock where it elminates the lag and I think also increase the quality of the cast. Also the dock adds extra ports, which if you connect say a usb/hardrive I'm not sure how the phone can access it wirelessly? In general, I do agree that having no cords would be the best, but the user experience and technology also needs to be good enough. Thus I hope the next version can improve/expand on the whole continuum concept. 
  • I think the idea would be to have the dock have the Miracast receiver. That way you could connect the phone to the dock either with a cable, or via the Miracast transmitter built into the phone. The dock could still allow a cable keyboard and mouse, as that can be sent back to the phone wirelessly. You just wouldn't need the phone cabled if you didn't want to. In reality, a lot of this eats battery, so the cable has a function beyond video and USB hub.
  • I love that idea too to have Miracast support on the Dock. That way user have option to use Continuum wirelessly. But yeah, they seriously have to reduce the lag drastically. Microsoft maybe should step up and partner for next Miracast development to make increase the performance of wireless connection and optimize it further for Continuum. Sent from Turing Machine
  • Use a microsoft wireless display connector... This is much better than most other miracast adapters. I tested 4 different once and only the one of ms was lagfree (or at least that free that it did not bother me) and worked flawlessly with wifi direct and no problems with connecting, establishing and using it. I love it for presentations with my 950xl.
  • I would like to see being able to use continuum without a special dock.  All built into the phone, I feel this will happen, and when it does it will make the experience that much more mobile.
  • You pretty much can, just use USB c to hdmi adapter to a screen. The dock's real feature is a clean 'hub' of ports.
  • As mkenyon2 says, you can. You can do this via Miracast, not just a USB-C to HDMI dongle. The MS dock isn't 'prorietary' BTW. I have hooked a Dell XPS to the MS Dock and all the functionality is there. I've also used docks designed for the MacBook (single USB-C connector) with good results on the Lumia. These are standards based implementations, that are going to see a lot of options, as Continuum isn't the only use case for USB-C HDMI dongles, hubs, docks, etc, Heck I've even hooked an old USB to ethernet dongle to a USB-C to USB A adapter to my Lumia and run my Lumia off of Cat-5 ethernet.
  • This is what's make me more excited about USB Type-C accessories. Gladly that it isn't proprietary and it will be a standard in the near future. Sent from Turing Machine
  • I'm selling my dock on eBay this weekend if anyone's interested. UK bidders.
  • This is where Microsoft needs to be proactive, and go to college campuses and major hotel chains and outfit them with continuum "terminals" that consist of keyboard, video, and mouse, so all a student/traveler needs to do is carry a phone and plug in. Imagine if every college campus had a continuum dock where a keyboard, monitor and mouse currently sit.
  • Sounds like a big investment for the few thousand owners of a 950/XL!
  • Not just 950/XL users could benefit though. This is essentially what a MacBook user needs. My Dell XPS-15 has a USB-C port that works with the MS Dock which would yield a second monitor in that situation. HP is building a phone that uses it, as is ACER. USB-C ports on smaller tablets could easily take advantage of this. Don't limit the fixed setup to just Windows Phone. Heck some could carry around a Kangaroo, if they knew peripherals would be available.
  • Well, there's millions, not a few thousand, to start. That investment could go a long way. I'd start in places near Microsoft and HP headquarters. Then negotiate with hotels that they do business with.
  • You call it proactive, I call it putting the cart before the horse.
  • Had my Lumia 950 for just a week when Continuum saved me. I teach Computing in a UK Secondary School, and was preparing to tallk 17-18 year old students through an exam paper I had loaded on OneNote on my Surface 3 to throw through my Miracast Adapter. However, just before the lesson I restarted the Surface and it locked into a Windows Update cycle. We've all been there! Cue my Lumia. Quick "connect" to my Miracast dongle...Continuum up and running within seconds. Into OneNote and up came the page. Boom. Lesson continued full screen on my projector and when the Surface decided to join the world again, I seemlessly connected that and out came my surface pen... Reassured that I always have an internet connected computer now in my pocket. If our school network fails, my OneNote prep'd lessons will be running as normal!
  • Also been fab, btw, for quickly showing footage / photos at home via my LG Smart TV's screen-share app. And on the Sony TV in our staffroom at work. Miracast seems to be quite widespread...
  • Continuum has improved vastly in the latest insider builds. There is now a real desktop lock screen and Continuum remembers the apps that you had open, not just after the screen sleeps but even if you disconnect your phone and then plug it back in later, the icon will be in the task bar. These improvements go a long way as far as creating a more believable desktop environment and experience.
  • That's good to know.  Have they fixed the issue with the volume only showing External screen after disconnecting.
  • Oh wow, that's exciting, didn't know of these improvments.
  • Yes, I'm surprised no one has written about them. They are fantastic improvements and it really makes it feel like a desktop as I can press the Windows Key+L and lock Continuum and have the exact same PC lock screen and then enter my pin to sign in. Its amazing to see the full Windows 10 lock screen, time and notifications in Continuum.
  • We really need more news about improvements on Continuum even to tiniest changes. So at least everybody knows (to those who read articles here in WC) how the Continuum software progressed so far. Sent from Turing Machine
  • I completely agree. Sent from a phone powered by Windows 10.
  • Does anybody know if theres a way for Continuum/W10M to be able to remote to a full Windows 10 PC for virtual work? Surely that would be a great solution though I'm not sure if even HP's new X3 is powerful enough?
  • Remote desktop is fully supported and works well.  App-V is also coming with the HP X3.
  • I thought Remote Desktop was continuum enabled.
  • Yes, both Remote Desktop and TeamViewer are Continuum apps. You can remotely login to a PC using them.
  • Yes, it works with Remote Desktop and I also believe it works with things like Teamviewer as well.
  • I really want someone to reach out to Citrix for them to update their citrix receiver app then I would be good.  As far as the multi-tasking I would more than likely rdp to a server if I needed to use those functions.  But for core application running this would be great.  I am really pushing for this to work because I have to carry a zbook 17" and it isn't light at all. 
  • What I want next is the Elite x3 and a bug free stable Build!!!! Posted from Windows Central for Windows 10 Mobile BETA
  • Should happen about the same time  ;)  Late summer, early as I recall.
  • Since I got my Lumia 950XL with the Continuum dock, I can't stop using them, at office or at home ! That mode is just incredible, and I sincerly think that Microsoft will greatly improve that mode in the future.
  • Sounds like a ton of hassle to run something worse than Windows RT. Maybe someday this will make sense, but I doubt it. The cloud has already solved the issue this is trying to address. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • What issue has already been solved by "the cloud"?
  • Your data being available anywhere of course. Is there another point to this? If so, I don't see it. How is this superior to carrying a phone and a Surface Pro? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • For one thing it's much cheaper than carrying both a phone and a Surface Pro. For another, it allows people to cut down on the number of devices you need to carry. It truly shines the most for someone who needs the ability to set up and break down a computer at a moment's notice and who wants to do remote work without carrying a laptop/tablet if they want to use a bigger screen. For example, my sister has a non-profit company and she plans to use Continuum to create a portable computer lab for her clients. Saying it's just so that you can carry data with you is an inaccurate and gross oversimplification.
  • You are still carrying a phone and peripherals. You are actually carrying more than a phone and Surface. Why would someone not want a laptop if they need a computer they can break down fast? It is much easier to close a laptop than it is to disconnect your phone and docking station from a monitor. Your examples make no sense. Your sister is going to pay $600 plus peripherals in order to run a buggy, gimped version of Windows RT? That really doesn't make any sense. She can easily buy decent laptops for half that price or $100 thumb PCs if peripherals are readily available. The laptops or thumb PCs would be more mobile, easier to setup and break down and are infinitely more capable. Again, that scenario makes no sense! She should be lambasted at any non-profit for such a waste of time and money.
  • Lol, you literally have no idea what my sister's business is about, so why should she be lambasted?  It's funny, I had a really long response all typed, with numbered points and everything as to why it's a very portable endeavor, why it's not going to be nearly as expensive as you make it out to be, and why it's a step up above a PC stick but I don't think you want facts.  I think you are simply here to vent because MS didn't do what you felt they should have with Windows Mobile otherwise you would content yourself to move on with whatever device you are using now.  There are already plenty of people in this thread giving their real-world examples of how they use Continuum, either accept that people see potential with the technology and are actually finding uses for it or don't.  The choice is yours.
  • A PC stick is $100 and a continuum phone is $600+. How does that work out even close in price? How is a phone, dock, keyboard, mouse, cables and monitor more portable than a laptop?! How is a gimped Windows RT device a step up from a full Windows 10 device? Especially when it costs so much more?! There was no substance in your reply. Sorry, I don't like seeing Microsoft wasting their time with this. Windows RT was such a huge flop, I don't know how they can push something worse. A Microsoft fan shouldn't be supporting them with these products that are destined to fail. With X86, maybe this would make sense but even then laptops and 2in1s make more sense.
  • Against my better judgment, I'll reply. The cost of Continuum enabled phones is steadily going down and being supported by cheaper chips. For example, you can get a new 950 on eBay for $400 or less and there are incoming phones that are going to be released at the same price. You keep focusing on having a phone and a laptop and missing the fact that they are trying to consolidate the number of devices that can perform the same functions into one. A person always has their phone, they don't always have their laptop and Continuum can be used even without a keyboard, mouse, and dock. Even if they wanted to carry the peripherals they have been shrunk so much that everything you need could fit into a small purse and still be lighter and cheaper than a Surface tablet. You keep worrying about Windows RT but you realize that was almost four years ago. Four years ago, the thought of any sort of Windows system that didn't primarily run desktop programs was laughable. Fast forward and you'll find that it's not as amusing as it once was now that apps are slowly getting more powerful. What killed RT more than anything was not that you couldn't run a full desktop on it, it was that you couldn't run a full desktop and the Windows store didn't have the right apps to allow users to move past that. MS is in a far better position now to switch things up than they were in 2012. If it helps, think of Continuum on phones as yet another option for people to accomplish what they need to instead of as a desktop replacement. After all, it is still a work in progress.
  • You don't have to pay for a phone. You already have a phone.
  • It's not going to cost $600.
    She'd save the non profit by using ONE license of office and just using her phone data plan and WiFi. No need to get an expensive laptop mobile data plan. I don't think unplugging a dock and folding a small keyboard is going to have a significantly negative effect on someone's life.
  • It means that you don't have to have a Surface Pro in the first place, you just need a phone.
  • Explain please. How is it worse than RT, and how has the cloud solved this? Guess you do need to explain what issue you think this is trying to address.
  • RT was closer to a full desktop experience. It was nearly identical to Windows 8, but you couldn't install programs. You could have multiple windows open and Office was also more fully featured. I might be wrong about Office though. Continuum is definitely an even more gimped Windows RT. That alone will make it nearly useless for most people. There is a reason RT was universally hated. The only thing this could possibly address is data availability, and the cloud does this fine. It isn't more convenient unless you find yourself in the perfect scenario.
  • The cloud has a big problem: Without internet you are doomed. The surface is a nice device but it is big and you will not have it with you all the time. Having a keyboard (use a foldable keyboard this is very small and cool) and mouse is optional.
    And just plain simple: 2 device are more expensive. If you want to present something you can walk around and use your phone to navigate it... Carrying a surface is quite much heavier. I do not say that you absolutely need continuum, but it is another good option especially for people who present stuff and want to be able to do so without needing an additional device, which i need to think about and carry around with me. My smartphone is there all the time.
  • The Surface isn't very big at all. Nominally bigger than a keyboard and docking station and associated cables. The cost is also about the same. A Continuum phone, docking station and peripherals are not going to cost anymore than a Surface 3 and a smartphone. Maybe that will change when the price of Continuum phones decreases, but right now they are quite expensive and I would still prefer a Moto G with a full app store. Also, my SP3 is no where near too heavy to carry to a meeting! The times you don't have internet these days are rare. What is also extremely erare is the times you have a keyboard, mouse and external display handy while traveling. Continuum is really a solution looking for a problem.
  • You keep adding the cost of the phone. You already have the phone. Not everyone is you. Others are finding use for this. Others have use for desktop versions of Office without having to manage another device and another license. Others like having their offline stuff on one device. Others like having one data plan because unlike your claim, there isn't free Internet everywhere, so the phone data plan is useful. This solution actually solves a variety of problems for those who aren't you.
  • Do you actually understand what "the cloud" is? You seem to be confused. Continuum now is quite limited, as pointed out in the articles, but is improving all the time.
    A lot of people are finding it useful, and as it is an additional feature on a mobile I don't quite understand what your problem with it is.
    If you want to carry a mobile and a Surface Pro around with you everywhere 24/7 so you can access the cloud then fine. But others are making do with just a phone, and are happy to do so.
  • I can explain if you like. The "cloud" is a fancy way of saying your data is stored on the internet so it doesn't matter what device you are using, your data is available anyways. With your data available anywhere, there is no good reason for your phone to function as your desktop. No one is making do with just a phone, unless they didn't need a PC in the first place and those people certainly aren't using Windows Phone. Only fanboys are using Continuum.
  • He/she understands, but is a consistent contrarian.
  • What I think Continuum needs is truly desktop mode, I mean real window apps, and multiple instances of the same app. Read: Several instances of Word, Edge, Calc, Mail -> Open Mails, and all of them as normal windows as it is now since Windows 10.  And it should be also a way to set as "tablet mode" that could use snap apps.  When we will have that in continuum it is going to be a truly game changer, because you will really feel like if it were a real computer behind, with those changes.
  • When I refer to real window apps, I refer to UWP apps in not fullscreen mode.
  • This is what I've been suggesting and stressing for a long time. Continuum has to be a desktop environment where apps can run on windowed state and also we can snap like we do on our desktop PCs already. Continuum at the moment is basically like projecting Windows RT but without snap. Actually at least Windows RT have an actual Explorer shell desktop, though held back by not able to install any Win32 apps or running Metro apps on desktop. Plus the full drag-and-drop between apps, JumpList on apps, Pinning apps on the Taskbar, and like you said multiple instances of an app. Lastly it would be nice also to have a Tablet Mode UX when docked to tablet accessory (which doesn't exist yet for Continuum). So devices like Asus Transformer V can happen on Windows Mobile. Sent from Turing Machine
  • I have no doubt that that is on the roadmap. I'd say that Microsoft intend there to be basically no difference between using UWP apps with Continuum and using them on a PC. What we currentlly have is the first step towards that, more like apps on Windows 8, but better that we get that now than wait until all the pieces are in place.
  • It all depends on your business needs. As an editor you might be happy with it. As a programmer it gives me no opportunities at all. My dream phone with x86 is 50% complete since the launch of Bash on Ubuntu on Windows. Now I'm just waiting for Panos to do the other half.
  • I could see it as a backup currently if your laptop takes a dump while on the road.
  • Crashed twice when trying to post a comment with Edge browser. Edge perfomance KILLS Continuum.
  • Commenting here in Windows Central and all other Mobile Nations sister sites would cause the Edge to crash the tab. This been an issue for me ever since and still reliability issues hasn't fixed still. This is why I can't use Edge at all if some sites tends to crash or freeze while using Edge. It even cause my GPU to crash too on my other PC. Sent from Turing Machine
  • You can get pretty darn close to that with an HP Stream 7 or an HP Envy Note 8. What it is missing right now is the phone part, and they are a little big. Other than that, it does everything you want. Problem is Intel is years away from building a chip that you could use to add the phone and make it smaller (HP's words). That was before Intel threw in the towel on mobile. That's why the Elite X3 is going to be running ARM, like everyone else, for some time. What most people want when they say full desktop mode requires x86 architecture, and that isn't happening anytime soon.
  • If you are going to take a Continuum dock with you, would it not be better to just take a windows PC stick which can be bought for not much more than the dock and probably weigh less in your luggage. Richard, on your point of needing multitasking to look at receipts whilst filling in excel, could you not just view the receipts on your phone screen? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Plenty of potential, but far too simplistic and buggy to be a laptop replacement. I've tried for 2 months and at least 3-4 times a day I have to turn to my Surface to get something done that continuum can't support. As for bugs....I mostly use web based tools for work....but the number of times edge crashes and I have to log back into my sites is crazy annoying
  • I have used it but with miracast only and the thing has like a 1 and a 1/2 second lag, almost unusable, also office mobile doesn't open password protected files! I mean it's 2016 that's just unacceptable.
  • I don't think Continuum with its many hardware accessories is destined to be a laptop replacement. It's destined to be a PC replacement for the low-end crowd. Instead of replacing my old tower with a new tower, I can replace it with a phone-size box that I can also take with me and use as a phone if I want. My CPU becomes miniature, and a phone if I want it to be.
  • I am going to travel for a Sales visit and have decided not to take my Laptop along ... but I'll be using my 950 XL & Continuum instead.
    I have tested the same in office and have the following observations that I wanted to share, > Setting it up on the Dock is simple, hence no problem on that front,
        ·  To connect any monitor I have also used a HDMI to VGA convertor in case required
        ·  I connected a wireless mouse as well as a USB mouse to check,
        ·  Similarly I also checked using a wireless & USB Keyboard > I have checked my WORD, EXCEL as well as PowerPoint documents which use the same Application as is available on the phone … so it’s not the same Win32 app that we use on the Laptop with many more features … but it has not caused any hurdle as of now, But some necessary additions are awaited ...
    Note: We need to understand that at this moment ALL features of the Desktop version are NOT there but ALL the features that the Phone Version already can be used … which I found sufficient, atleast during a tour where I won’t be using everything massively! > Similarly, I can open the Outlook app, the same one that is on the phone, and check, send emails etc. though it doesn’t have all the features of the Laptop version … like I cannot setup up an HTML or RTF Signature that I use on my Laptop hence I'll have to copy the same from a Word file everytime I may send an email OR only use the TXT version and indicate that its from my Windows phone > In case of the Browser i.e. EDGE, it does not support pop-ups i.e. I cannot enable pop-up windows i.e. view screens in another window!
    So this has hampered my Software Report viewing at the moment for which I will be looking at alternative approaches, >  And I have hosted my softwares (that I am going to Demo) on a hosted server which I will be showing as and when required. Till now I had the liberty of installing the same on my Laptop and showcasing that without having to use the Internet  > We need to understand that at present All applications that we download on the phone do not run in the Continuum mode, and it gives a message to that intent. But I am hoping that many more features (necessary ones atleast) would be available to us shortly
    Note: For example I cannot open my PDF files using Adobe Acrobat, but can do so using EDGE Browser which has that facility, so no problem  
  • I found that you can travel extremely light with just the Microsoft Wireless Display Adaptor. Simply plug it into any TV and use the phone screen as touchpad and keyboard.
    To make this experience better we need the keyboard to be always ON in continuum mode along with the touchpad. Right now the touchpad and keyboard are mutually exclusive - when you have one on the other goes off.
  • Reading the comments it looks like a lot of people are looking at continuum as 'low cost pc' or 'laptop replacement '. I think the point of continuum is data portability. That is, you carry your data with you. You edit a document on your phone on the train and when you get home/work, you plug your phone to a big screen and CONTINUE (hint) where you left off. Or you compose a email on the way to work, plug in and continue where you left off. It's basically decoupling the app from the limits of the screens form factor and making it dynamic. The end goal would be to make the apps and data truely dynamic using OneDrive so you can start a document on your laptop and hit the road and continue working on your phone or tablet.
  • In all of those places, you have an internet connection. Cloud sync therefore does the job that you are talking about - with no compromises.
    Continuum is all about compromises in its current form.
  • Someone needs to invents a 19" lcd that folds and fits in a pocket.
  • See the thing is, I need InDesign, illustrator, and Photoshop to get my work done and continuum can't give me that yet... So until we can run desktop apps off the phone when it's acting like a desktop, it's not useful for me.
  • Those programs are resource hogs. You need a i5 at minimum.
  • Is'nt continuum a little pointless seeing as windows phones are failing to sell and disappearing from the market? Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • It's a long term plan. The idea is that Windows phones are equipped for the next 'era' of personal computing and they're ahead of the curve for a change. When this future arrives, W10M will have a decent head start, or at least that's the plan. Plus, it's a unique selling point to get people interested in buying W10M devices and shows off how the entire Windows ecosystem is worth getting invested into. Microsoft have made it clear they've no plans to axe Windows Mobile. This is their latest play to help it's situation.
  • You still need a keyboard and a screen. I expect them to offer a "lap-dock", where you insert your phone into a bay as a CPU-unit. Everything else doesn't cut it. But then, where are W32 apps? Maybe, just maybe the $200 2-in-1 is a better deal.
  • Hello  In my case display box doesn't work I'm working at 2 monitors in my work and my fist idea was if second screen is free - use second monitor with display box and Lumia 950 I'ts reason why I bought display box but... 1. web browsing - Is not possible to use Edge for web browsing in Continuum mode In most full size websites there are: Frozen screen, huge delay in scrolling down, the sudden jumping from top to bottom, Edge crashing... also delays in mobile websites  2. watch movies - My favorite app - Netflix doe'snt work in continuum mode. BBC web player and a lot of other websites ask about Flash If I can use website player (netflix)  look point 1st  3 browsing  music in Spotify at big screen - apps doesn't work in continuum mode  4. chatting with friend on full size keyboard - WhatsApp and Viber doesn't work in continuum mode I'm not sure but messenger also not    It's exactly not profesional use  I want avoid to do all things above at company PC and network And I'm thinking is using of continuum which a lot of people looking for   I'm waiting for summer update but now Continuum is big disaster At present much better option is buy one of 2 in 1 devices (Asus Transformer or somethings like that) I really thingking about it 
    In one piece there is: battery with 7-11 hours of life, screen, keyboard and touch pad, tablet mode, Full 64 bit Windows which allow you to install whatever you want and there is also HDMI out to connect external display Much more possibilites in the same space in suitcase   
  • Do you really need apps like Netflix to work in Continuum, which I am sure they will do soon? You can still use miracast for this kind of app. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • You know, if we were to believe that this was all Continuum would ever be, especially in light of the build-up and hype it received ahead of its release, I'd probably agree that we'd have grounds for disappointment. But even in that disappointment, it is still clearly a pretty useful tool, maybe not for everybody, but for many. However, I remain confident that this is just the beginning, and that it will progress from here. How far, how soon.....and just how [they pull it off] all remain to be seen, of course. But I am confident that before all is said and done, this thing will be much bigger than it is. I'm still not entirely done fleshing all this out in my head exactly, but what I'd eventually like to see come of Continuum ultimately is to have the phone and the XBox be the two hubs for everything - outside of extreme gaming PCs, which will always best belong in the territory of "DIY" monster-rig-builders. On the phone side, at the base level, have it operate as a phone by itself with hardware comparable to high, middle, and low end Androids and iPhone of the it's day, and then offer several different Continuum options (a "continuum of Continuum", if you will). :-) On the bottom end is wireless like we currently have with Mircast, that would remain more or less the same as our current Continuum experience, or [what I call] "Continuum RT" or "ARM Continuum". Next have various levels of power bases that contain various Intel or AMD CPUs, and various memory and/or GPU boosts to run either at computer desks as full Win32 desktop computers. If we also want a basement priced dock with no hardware boost whatsoever, which only enables "Continuum RT", but with better interface and better performance than Mircast, fine. Also, have a "dummy Surface" or "dummy surface book" that contains Win32 compatible hardware to enable a full Win32 Win 10 experience with options for wired connection to the phone for max power, or wireless connection for max "tabletability" (keep your phone in your pocket or otherwise nearby, and use it cradled in your arm, or in your lap, or whatever without a cord hanging off). On the XBox side, since the system is AMD based, and running a version of Windows 10, with (or without) a phone, or else, with (or without) some kind of adaptor, enable something similar to "desktop mode/tablet mode" only with "XBox mode" being one of them, so you can toggle between an experience optimized for living room console gaming media rigs, and a full Windows 10 desktop experience. Also, add this "XBox mode" to desktop and tablet installs of Windows 10, so that not only are you making your console your computer, but you are making your computer (or tablet) your console. This way MS could get into the desktop hardware market without even having to make a single new product - just pitch an XBox as a basic home computing solution that also does a decent job as a game machine.... ....or heck, make an XBox spec phone dock and then kill all birds with one palm / pocket sized stone! :-) The sky's the limit! Cheers!
  • yvonne cholewik Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • What if you had a AR or VR head set in place of a lapdock?  I think that could be even better than the lapdock. Think if this 2-4 Virtual 27 inch screens in front of you as you are flighing on an airplane, no sholder surfing ether. That could be even better than a Lapdock. VR not just for games, but for Hardware replacement.