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A future Xbox One Slim and a new Xbox may have been revealed in FCC filings

There's lots of speculation that Microsoft could launch a new and smaller version of the Xbox One at E3 2016 in June. Now, newly discovered filings by Microsoft to the Federal Communications Commission have added fuel to those rumors. There's also speculation the filings reveal plans to launch an all-new Xbox console.

The FCC filings were first reported on the NEOGaf forums. The speculation begins with the fact that the FCC listed the current Xbox One's wireless chip with the model number 1525. One of the two FCC filings, 1683 lists "User Manual 1525" as one of its documents. The speculation is that since this new product uses an old user manual, it might indicate a revised Xbox One that could be smaller than the current model.

The other FCC filing, 1682 has the same wireless chip but doesn't have the same user manual listed in its documents. Some people have suggested this means Microsoft might be preparing to launch a new Xbox console. Of course, all of these speculations might be leading people to the wrong conclusion, so take these kinds of reports with a grain of salt.

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  • Should just be a slimmer Xbox One without a separate power brick. No new Xbox for now.
  • Microsoft never dumped the external PSU in its 360 revisions, so I doubt they do it now.
  • The Playstation family of consoles are the only consoles I know of that don't have external power supplies.  
  • What other console is there other than the underpowered Nintendo?
  • Kind of a pot-kettle matter calling a Nintendo console underpowered. Yeah, the Wii U is easily the weakest, but the XB1 is a budget gaming PC from 3 years ago, at best.
  • And so is ps4. Internally they are kind of similar with ps4 having a slight edge.
  • 1. I know. 2. Wasn't my point. 3. It's not really a slight edge. The GPU's raw power is about 50% greater, if I remember correctly, the memory is MUCH faster (no, the eSRAM doesn't make it close to even), and the internal HDD swapping makes it easier and cheaper for the PS4 to use a faster drive. Now, I'm the first to admit that I can't see the frame rate/resolution differences between the consoles, but I'm not so delusional as to act like the XB1 isn't clearly the laggard.
  • XBox One has significantly higher memory bandwidth than PS4. It has just less shader performance.
  • You're joking, right? The XB1 has a VERY small (32 MB) cache of fast memory, but it's otherwise the slow DDR3 that's been used for years. The PS4 uses GDDR5, which is significantly faster, and typically only used in video cards. So you know the differences there: XB1 8 GB DDR3: 68.3 GB/s XB1 32 MB ESRAM: 109 GB/s PS4 8 GB GDDR5: 176 GB/s The ESRAM in the XB1 can theoretically go faster, but not much faster than the RAM in the PS4. On top of that, the two-pool setup in the XB1 is more difficult for developers to use, meaning they've gotta do a bit more work to take advantage of it properly. So, the XB1's memory is slower AND more troublesome.
  • Ummmmm,  so what?  If you can't tell the difference with your eyes then your only point here is that you're gonna be a dick and shill for Sony. 
  • Maybe to someone who can only see "counterpoint" as "shill," because he's uninterested in objective facts. What it means is that the potential of the hardwaree is lower. There will be a point where it becomes noticeable, as the PS4 handle more advanced visuals that the XB1 won't be able to. That I own an XB1 and not a PS4, but can still call out Microsoft for making a console with weak parts makes me realistic, not a shill. That your only move is to offer nothing but name calling and vulgarities sure makes you look like the one with an unwavering bias.
  • GPU has 25% more shaders on PS4, but Xbone has a slightly more powerful CPU (it's clocked something like 100Mhz higher). PS4 has faster RAM, but higher latency. Xbone has eDRAM, which PS4 doesn't have at all. Any way you slice it, PS4 is more powerful, but not by enough to make a substantive difference to most people in most situations :P. Either way, though, all three systems this generation are powerful enough to deliver great games, and that's really all that matters.
  • The Xbox has ESRAM, not EDRAM. You can say it's not a big difference, but at the end of the day, there's a reason most everything has to upscale on the XB1. That's meaningful. That's substantive. Games that get held back to cater to these consoles can still be good, but that simply doesn't mean that the consoles don't have a hardware problem. When 343's having to figure out this dynamic resolution junk and Forza 5's coming with cut graphics from E3 to launch, that's an indictment of the hardware. Just saying "I like the games" doesn't mean they can't be better. A.I. could be much more sophisticated if the CPUs weren't trash. Load times would be better if the drives weren't trash.
  • Yes, it has ESRAM, that's correct. Finger slip, evidently. And the fact is that visually, most games *aren't* a big difference between Xbone and PS4. Moreover, a lot of games are upscaled on *both* systems, just as they were on PS3 and Xbox 360. That doesn't make them ugly or unplayable. But if you're comparing consoles, which have fixed hardware for several years, to PC's, which can see performance jumps a couple of times a year, then you'll inevitably reach the incorrect conclusion that they have "a hardware problem". They don't. What they have are a fixed set of hardware specifications which can achieve some things but not others. In every generation, the limits of those achievements are typically expanded over a course of years as developers better learn to master the hardware, and game engines become better optimized to suit the hardware. When it comes to designing a consumer device like Xbone or PS4, there are always going to be choices made that create advantages and disadvantages. But it's ridiculous to call their components "trash" just because they're not the most powerful things on the market this month. With that mentality, every console ever built is "trash" the minute it's released, because by the time they go through the development process and finally release to consumers, the hardware is inevitably out of date. You're never going to eliminate that completely. Moreover, even if you went out of your way to put in the most powerful hardware available, you'd face a different problem: the cost would be so high that most people couldn't afford it. I think we can all agree that an expensive console is a bad idea, based on a simple observation of gaming history. There will always be tradeoffs. As long as the games are good, that's what matters.
  • I mean all consoles, ever.
  • I don't remember them all off-hand, nor did I own them all. I don't think the original Xbox had an external PSU, did it? The N64's "external" PSU basically snapped into the console--it wasn't connected to the console from a second cable. Did the NES and SNES have external ones? I really don't know.
  • There's nothing under powered about the Wii U. Is it the least powerful of this generation? Yes. Does that mean it delivers ugly games, games that play poorly or have terrible frame rates? No, it doesn't. At all.
  • There are plenty of games on there that play poorly, but that has a lot to do with that dumb WiiMotion controller. SSB with one of those is awful.That games were restricted in development because of the hardware is just as bad as a game that runs badly. That the hardware's limitations kept third-party developers away for most of the big launches is also a reality. No, it's not running Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, Shadow of Mordor, Madden, The Witcher, Dying Light, and The Division badly or with ugly graphics. It's not running them AT ALL.
  • Smash Bros plays fine. Just because one of the several available controllers (and incidentally, the Wii remote is not the default controller for Wii U) doesn't play well with a particular game doesn't mean that the game plays poorly. Smash Bros is a stunning game with fluid, 60FPS action that virtually never slows down. It's ample evidence that the hardware is plenty capable. The biggest problem for Wii U this generation, and the problem which kept a lot of developers at bay, is that it stuck with an IBM processor using a RISC instruction set while everyone else (wisely) went to x86/x64 with an AMD processor. And in fact, the earlier AC, CoD and other games that were also released on Xbox 360 and PS3, both of which used IBM processors with RISC chips, mostly wound up on Wii U and played/looked fine. But to claim that the lack of titles that already exist on other systems is a reason to avoid the Wii U is patently absurd. One shouldn't buy a console, and especially a Nintendo console, for cross platform games. One should buy that console for its exclusives, and on that front, Wii U has plenty of terrific exclusives well worth owning and playing. All the systems this generation and last generation do. Keeping yourself away from great games just because of some nonsense claim of "trash" hardware is, in a word, dumb.
  • Well if Xbox wants to join the VR space like Oculus and HTC Vive, gotta have the power. The One ain't gonna do it. Also I'm not sure if the One is able to handle Hololens? Why WP died it's because late to the game and MS have a nack for being late to the game. The ps4 is winning and the ps4.5 maybe a big winner. MS can't afford to fall behind.
  • Why would a XBox One not be able to handle a Hololense?  Hololense is its own W10 PC that runs independently from the Xbox One.  Further, Kipman posted via twitter (and here) regarding using the Hololense to play games this morning.  I honestly hope your just trolling... 
  • I thought it was a stream and not an actual running game. Either way great if it can. But VR?
  • Daniel Rubino literally just posted an article yesterday about streaming a game from his Xbox to his Hololens and all VR headsets require an external PC/console to actually run the games. Also, MS already owns the platform that most VR games run on, why do people keep insisting that they need their own VR solution? Third, Sony VR is still unproven so pointing to it as a massive selling point makes no sense until it's out in the wild.
  • are you under the impression that oculus or vive are able to run games on their own?
  • Of course they can.  They come bundles with the amazing 'stuck at the bottom of a well with the cover on at midnight' experience.
  • HoloLens is supposed to be very expensive, isn't it? So it can't become a device for average gamers.
  • At this stage, no, Hololens isn't for the average gamers but then, neither are most of the VR headsets either due to added cost, hardware requirements, potential motion sickness, and the fact that it really isn't for anyone who is a parent.
  • The DEVELOPMENT kit is very expensive, kinda like the development kit for a PS4 was VERY expensive before the ps4 launch. 
  • Hololens is a seperate device, also it's not VR. Do some research before you spew crap from your mouth dude.
  • Umm yes it do. There is a video from windows central.
  • Well it certainly would lend credence to Phil Spencer's dislike of that half-a-box
  • I already have been saying a new xbox is coming out spring 2017 with the other device lineup. ;)
  • Why dump the external power brick. If it goes wrong, you don't have to replace the whole system. PSU's are the most likely thing to go wrong. It also generates a lot of heat.
  • Xbox consoles always have external power bricks. They learned their lesson from the og 2001 Xbox that internal power supplies are a no go.    The PS3 and kin of consoles with internal supplies proved they overheat. External may be ugly and add more stuff to have around, but they reduce console heat. PLUS, the external supply has surge protection. If a bolt of lightning hits your house, chances are your external power supply will take the juice from that hit and the console will be saved. My Xbox 360 had this happen three times and each time the PSU fried but the console itself was okay.  Had this been a PS3 or PS4, it would have needed service since its an internal supply. 
  • Honestly, you dont want a powerblock inside the system. The power block creates a LOT heat, too much heat could end up like the old white Xbox 360s....RROD... There is a good, valid reason why they are external. System dependablity or a small block that is behind everything, No question, I'll take the block.
  • i kind of like the external power brick. if the power brick breaks down, you can just replace it easily. if the ps4's power supply breaks down, you have to send in the console for repair.
  • So the PS will have PS4 and Microsoft Xbox one Slim? Posted from my Lumia 640 Xl dual sim 10586.164
  • Sony will have PS4K and Microsoft will have Xbox 1S.
  • Hmm so it will be like Xbox 360.With some redesign and upgrades...Nice
  • The new XB1, if there is one, should come as a modulized design with stacked up components - main CPU unit, Blue Ray, different sizes of storage, Continuum Dock, etc.  Users can pick and choose what they want.
  • That will be awesome.I bought my Xbox 360 at 2006-7 and was the first version..I payed 20$ for WiFi connector...I would love of they put the PSU at the box finally... Posted from my Lumia 640 Xl dual sim 10586.218
  • Hell no.  My PS4 is already hairdryer hot and loud in part due to the PSU adding more heat to that too-small enclosure. The brick SHOULD be kept separate.
  • The Xbox PC
  • No its a console and must stay a console
  • Its already just a PC with locked-down firmware.
  • its already not a console when you start making individual components upgradeable.
  • If they upgrade it it's a console. But if they sell separate itemes for customize it then its a pc...
    I can understand why people wants upgrades for their consoles My pc with GTX 960 has better graphics but I prefer my Xbox one cause is so simple to plat my games.If they make it like a pc with separate custom items and the price of a PC why s1 will want to buy it???If I had to pay 700$ for a console I can add 200$ and I will get a PC monster...
    Why I disagree with you guys.I want a simple and low cost machine for the next 10 years like my 360 Posted from my Lumia 640 Xl dual sim 10586.218
  • I miss many words...Sorry
    P.S.
    Where is my edit button Daniels??? Posted from my Lumia 640 Xl dual sim 10586.218
  • In other words a "PC?"
  • Surface Box
  • Lol, MS can sell that to professionals and pilots haha
  • LOL but then it will be another holonles...Too expensive and pro exclusive.
  • Ugh, the hololens is not too expensive, we have no idea what it will cost.  The DEVELOPMENT kit is expensive - just like every PRE-Device release development kit ever made for pretty much ANYTHING.  The PS4 development kit was still around $2k right before the ps4 launched.
  • No plans to upgrade hardware for quite some time here... Zachary Bowling - ZAD Apps
  • I just want a 'Surface Box'. A PC that starts out as a competitively-priced console you place in your living room, but which can be upgraded by swapping out components until it becomes a high-end gaming PC. Then you play any game available on either PC (including Steam), UWP, or Xbox using a single device that connects (also with streaming capability) to any of your screens (TV, PC Monitor, Lumia 950, Surface Pro, etc.).
  • That would go against almost everything that the Surface brand stands for. Posted from Bikini Bottom via my ShellPhone 950 XL
  • Then you're out of luck. The hardware in these consoles is nearly 5 years-old. That keeps them cheap, so unless you want to buy an old PC on Craigslist, you won't find what you are looking for.
  • Steam is not going to happen. Microsoft would lose money. One can dream though. L950
  • So Microsoft will decide who gets to release UWP apps based on profit outlook for themselves? Another reason to avoid the Windows Store then. I'll stick to open platforms.  
  • Microsoft already announced that UWP are an open platform. By the way, Steam is not an open platform.
  • So how do you reconcile "Steam is not going to happen. Microsoft would lose money." with UWP being an open platform? Either people can release whatever they want to on it or not.  
  • You are taking VOMoreira's statement as an absolute fact and jumping to conclusions. I'm pretty sure he isn't a Microsoft employee. That said, Steam isn't likely to happen if only because the Xbox is competition for the Steambox and I don't think you understand what UWP is. Individual game publishers can always port their games to the UWP, Steam is a system unto itself for game delivery.
  • Thank you! Probably should have worded it the way you did ladyfias. L950
  • Anything that doesn't conform with these WC fanboys standards, your gonna get thumbs.
  • Isn't that everywhere though. Go to Mexico and say soccer sucks you will get downvoted. Go to India and say cricket sucks, same thing. Of course people here will support Windows as this is a Windows news cite. That being said, downvote isn't necessarily a bad thing. It just shows the opinion of the majority of users. I just hope we don't get to the point where we become iMore and people get kicked from commenting all together (I heard rumers this happens, not entirely sure). L950
  • Did he/she say anything negative about "your" MS?
  • More like middle fingers.
  • Pretty sure that's literally just a PC lol
  • So you want them to release a PC with 'Surface' written on it somewhere.
  • Already happened, its called "Surface Book" Typed on my Surface Book
  • It could be a wireless accessory for the Xbox. Maybe a controller with less lag.
  • Maybe the Xbox TV thingie that was rumored a while back? Definitely too soon for new hardware aside from a slim version.
  • we need a external GPU :)
  • YAY I'd love some upgraded hardware! XB1 is too weak.
  • Hell no, then you get android like fragmentation where some games will work and others won't aka PC.
    I want to plug and play and will happily forego some graphic deficiencies (and a M&K/Board for games is beyond wrong as is often the choice with PC gamers)
  • No, all games will work. It's just games on a new one would be able to scale up their resolution, FPS, etc.
    That's exactly how it works on PC right now. Games have a min set of requirements to play, then every bump in performance above that allows the game to up the quality of graphics.
  • If they release hardware like Apple does with the iPhone it could work. Controlled hardware that is compatible with OS updates for a few generations, but release schedule can be every 3-5 years. You could have a 3 gen old system running current software.
  • You already got a performance upgrade, its called DX12.
  • I'd love to see the Xbox TV that has the HDMI input and a Skype Webcam (Kinect not necessary) where you can access all of the apps and media services but not games for a relatively inexpensive price of $149 to $99.  With USB ports for accessing portable media and supporting the USB Tuner. Then I'd put it on other TVs in my house especially if it could remote play from my full XBox Ones.
  • ^This^ Posted from my Lumia 640 Xl dual sim 10586.218
  • I like this, although I already have my phone and continuum to do it :)
  • I would hope it would in fact use Kinect.  I don't understand the hate for a camera that is that powerful?  Beyond that it is nice having the voice controls.  I would honestly say it's been the most unexpected benifit of having the XB1 was the ability to control the TV with my voice (I have 3 kids and they lose the remotes, a lot).
  • Sadly its not that powerful it's the device its connected to thats powerful
  • Hello new Xbox media center extender. Hey, I can dream....
  • For the Windows Media Center product that's been discontinued?
  • it's not discontinued as it continues to work exceedingly well. it just wasn't included in win 10. So it's actually more exclusive now than it previously was. Yes, I am looking down my nose while writing this.
  • Eksckloosiv11!
  • Good. I'm not a fan of the current design. I've been holding out for the refresh. Hopefully this news is true.
  • I believe this design lets the console work quite at least. This is the area where Xbox has an advantage over ps4.
  • What sort of design are you looking for? Something like the current Mac Pro? Or Amazon Echo? Who cares about the design, it's sitting underneath the TV somewhere on the shelf where I don't even see it.
  • Different strokes for different folks. I love the One and think it looks so much better than the PS4. My nephew has a PS4, and his fans kick in quickly, and it is far louder than my One.
  • They better make xbox one controllers compatible from now on, I don't want my elite Controller to be useless once a new console comes out and have to buy a new one Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Will that have 4k?
  • Was planning to get an extra Xbox for the missus so I guess I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger for this same reason yesterday. I said two things this week. 1) The annoying leaks will start preE3 and 2) I should just wait for them to announce a new SKU in case it releases in June when announced. I just wish I could avoid the internet till after E3 MS event. It's just not possible. I hate all the E3 spoilers :'(
  • Spoilers blow, I agree. I'd also like to see MS have there show the day after the PS4. They always seem to go first, which gives Sony a huge advantage.
  • True that. Then again it doesn't matter when Sony conf is or what they show. Last year MS had a hugely successful gaming event filled with awesome reveals, trailers and features and Sony only invited third party to promote Kickstarter money ( still pity them for it ) and announced 5-7 year old promised games ( FF remake which is even multiplatform and the PS3 canceled game for which they should hate them for ) and everyone called it a success when ironically I'd never seen a worse E3 showing. Point is, it doesn't matter. MS just has to do much better than their competition and hope they have a shining star for good publicity and reactions. Don't just has to say "Uncharted / God of war remaster" and they are good to go. Might be that they are used to not expect anything more from Sony or something. I honestly can't tell anymore.
  • I don't think they want a PS4.5 or PS4k or whatever competitor, they already have what the next PS4 is trying to compete against, its called the PC, and they seem to be interested in taking it away from steam and co. if they do, we could say the xbox two is already here
  • Why reduced the size of the Xbox One when reduced size might cause overheating issues.
  • I saw the fans of the CPU in a video...My OC 15 6600K has smaller than this even my brother's AMD FX Posted from my Lumia 640 Xl dual sim 10586.218
  • "Most" PC's have larger cases and are not in a home theater cabinet. If the Xbox is inside an h.t. cabinet it could possibly overheat, especially if your cable box is in there and is constantly running..
  • It would likely mean moving to a smaller process node, which means it requires less power, which means it generates less heat.  
  • Can I download xbmc(Kodi) at my Xbox one? Posted from my Lumia 640 Xl dual sim 10586.218
  • No
  • PLEASE announce XboxVR!
  • The Xbox One is surely too young for an successor so soon? Any changes - ie slimness - would surely have to physical and cosmetic; increased technical ability would surely cause issues with the games line up? Game developers might favour the more powerful console arrangement and therefore leave behind or hinder users of the older arrangement. It's just messy to fragment in that way. An Xbox slim seems interesting but it certainly wouldn't benefit me. It's not exactly a portable object, it just sits below my TV, so reducing size is not a concern, and I imagine the larger size will give the current model an advantage with heat dissipation and therefore perhaps fan noise.
  • I welcome a slim, but hope they don't have a new piece of hardware in addition.
  • Exactly. I never understood people's obsession with slim models for gaming consoles. It sits on a shelf. Who cares. This isn't a Surface tablet that you're going to be lugging around.
  • Yay.... small is good Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • Maybe the new model is one without an optical drive. Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
  • That what I think. Model with same manual is a slim, but same features. Model with a new manual is without the optical drive.
  • And you deduced all these from a number? Lol
  • No need for a new Xbox. The Xbox One is just getting started and developers are starting to get familiar with the SDK's. New ones with more features are being released consistently meaning there is still more to be seen from X1. I'm good with a slim model, because it doesn't change the hardware specs, and they don't need to. Games like Quantum Break, Halo 5, and Forza 6 look sick as hell and are still utilizing DX11+, not DX12 which is what X1 was designed for!
  • Quantum Break is a dx12 game, fyi
  • I believe on pc it is, but it's not on X1. I'll need to look into it but regardless it's pretty amazing visually for such a weak ass console.
  • Exactly. If this were a custom arm type solution maybe MS could pull off a port of new video API but an put of date apu doubt it
  • they werent kidding about not havin xbox 1.5, just xbox 1 mini.